For me, the biggest fault with the 1st Final Fight on the SNES was when you lose all your lives, then you back to the beginning of the stage. There are no checkpoints, even if you’re at the boss.
You forgot the fact that 3 allowed for a lot of different route changes (if you break certain things or enter certain doors), and some options you can skip enemies altogether. There are also weapons which are suited directly to the heores and allow additional and better attacking with, and a lot more control of attacks and the super attack that is added on 3. I liked 3 a lot, but I also adore 2
Meh... I guess I'd agree and disagree at the same time. Streetwise is not a good game, but it's definitely not a bad game, either. I guess the goal of that game was not to make it look edgy, or cool, but to make it in a somewhat realistic 90's style environment, in a rugged city filled with crime, gangs and combat, so the feeling of that does in a way pay respect to the franchise a bit. (IMHO)
Strangest thing, the 4th level IS STILL IN the SNES game, you can access it via an Action Replay, it's just missing the correct sprites, so looks like a garbled mess.
Wonder if it was a case of they tried, realised they couldn't put it in fully and just left the bits in still? Which would be pretty stupid since they could probably use that space to maybe add Guy or something else?
Cool. Have you done a video on that? I was wondering why the song from the missing stage was in the hidden options menu sound test. So is Poison/Roxy's death cry, but they're in the Japanese versions so that makes more sense.
Um, I'm pretty sure you can turn off hitting each other in Final Fight 3. *opens emulator to confirm* Yes, you can. You change Hit Config to Off. Sadly, the second one doesn't have that option.
I remember I sold my Genesis to get a SNES and back again about 3 times. I think this was the first game to convince me to sell my Genesis for a SNES! It was the first game I ever saw with such huge sprites! I didn't believe a home system could duplicate those huge arcade sprites, it was a first for the time. I had to have it. Yeah, Sega had Streets of Rage, but notice the small onscreen characters in that game? Eventually I believe the blood in mortal kombat convinced me to sell the SNES back for a Genesis, but then I was struck how the graphics (more bright/colorful) and audio were much better on the SNES version of MK. So I went back yet again to SNES and stayed there.
One thing I love about not having a certain system growing up is you get to play new games you never knew about! As a Sega genesis fan who loves beat em ups. This series was so fun to play! Great video man! Awesome content!
Final Fight 3 has to be one of my favourite beat-em-ups and might just make my top 5 scrolling fighters. The original will always have a special place in my heart though as I played it to death in the arcade and subsequently snes.
@@greensun1334 SoR2 is one of best beatem up in 16 bits but Paprium is other thing, it can not be in this competion obviously is a modern game with modern technlogy ;-) no dicusion possible here. We talk about games from 16 bits life with that tech in 90s, is written History. Paprium is great but I and most of people can not consider it a Megadrive game even if it runs on it, is other thing , modern game.
Gladly, I own ALL THREE Final Fight games for SNES. The first one is a classic despite its limitations. Final Fight 2, however, is definitely my absolute favorite of the bunch, even though 3 may be the best of the series.
I used to own the JAMMA PCB to it back in the day. But you can obviously get it not just on various past, and modern consoles in arcade perfect form, but in arcade machine form via the Arcade 1Up now too.
I found final fight on xbox one i first played it on nintendo though so later on when on xbox oh the memories ive beat these games alot but it never gets old.
Totally right about the sound effects in final fight. Was so satisfying hearing the noise of clocking dudes over and over again. Plus you've got to love the mayor's no nonsense approach to dealing with crime.
Final Fight 2 and 3 are rare, and some of the most expensive SNES games now, especially if you want them in good condition. I think they made a lot more copies of the first Final Fight because it was a launch title and released with the SNES.
OMG How did i not know this?!! I'm sooo stupid and behind the times! Oh, maybe caz i didn't have a SNES growing up nor did i subscribe to any gaming related magazines as a kid. Troll of the day award goes to...
Sodom, Cody, Guy, Hugo, Poison and, most recently, Abigail, have all become playable characters in Street Fighter, yeah. Sadly no Haggar - I think they made some kind of (bullshit) official decision that he'd stay in the Capcom Vs. games and not Street Fighter. ¬__¬ Cody and Poison are even two of my all-time favourite top ten characters to play as in SF, even. Can't beat being a lazy con in a vaudeville prison outfit who slugs people in the face with a hidden wrench and who's victory pose is lying down for a nap, or a punk rock transsexual dominatrix former gang lietenant and now successful businesswoman kicking the ass of the all of the straight dudes. Also they're like the only two characters in ALL of Street Fighter who's fighting style is ACTUAL STREET FIGHTING.
I've been trying to remember the name of these games forever. played final fight 2 with my cousin for hours. Countless times we beat it. Probably my fav snes game.
Hey man, I'm a newish subscriber and I quite enjoy your work. You're down to earth and seem to really enjoy the subject material you talk about. Please keep it going!
I really liked the first Final Fight on SNES- especially the soundtrack. Final Fight 2 was probably my favorite on the system- it has 3 selectable characters, and a full set of stages. Final Fight 3 was mixed for me. It has better presentation, but the slowdown is horrendous and the enemy selection is noticeably smaller.
For me the first final fight was the one. It was my second snes game and the first to really bring the 90s arcade feeing home. To this day, the snes remix of the themes bring back fond memories and every once in a while I’ll boot up my snes emulator for a wonderful trip down memory lane! Thank you capcom!
I prefer playing multiplayer but you brought up some really great pros for the first game. What about Mighty Final Fight? I know that one i really expensive but its part of the series technically.
I agree, though it's a shame a copy costs so much these days. Price aside and for me it's really a toss up between TMNT IV and Final Fight 3 for the best beat em up on the snes. I love all the moves you can pull off and string together, and the soundtrack is absolutely top notch.
I've been trying to defeat Final Fight on SNES lately but it's pretty hard, even on the easiest setting...I did get to Belger though. I can just play it on Switch anyway I wonder if 2 and/or 3 would be more approachable
FINAL FIGHT was also the 1st SNES game we'd gotten with the SNES that xmas it came out. It was amazing at the time! The port showed its issues over time in comparison but it was still a GEM to use as kids at the time. My brother, it's still one of his fave games so even with the issues with the SNES port. He was a super happy kid to get it! He couldn't believe we were playing it at home
What annoys me about the first one on SNES is that I actually like it the most, other than the fact one of the fighters is missing and there's no two player. But I just like the way it looks and moves and feels more than the others.
is the sega cd version really that good. I've never played it but I've seen the games action and I'm really hoping that the controls are much better like the controls in Final Fight 2 and 3.
Final Fight 3 is my all time favorite. The way they present the story, the special moves, different routes and great graphics...*chef kiss. Still play it on my original snes all the time
Gr8 video. Thank you for releasing HQ content on YT. I almost adore FF games, esp. "Final Fight Tough" (Japanese version of the third game) and "Mighty Final Fight" which is one of the most exciting games for NES / Famicom console. Got used to play those games using the emu-s for my Android smartphone. The first classic one is still too (extremely) challenging for me 😅😂
Great video. The original Final Fight on the SNES gets too much hate becasue people don't do proper research into the technology and circumstances of the time and just assume Capcom left stuff out because they couldn't be bothered. It wasn't like that and here's why the it had stuff missing - 2 player mode - Final Fight was a launch game for a brand new system so the programmers weren't familiar with the assembler code or hardware enough to know how to get around the SNES' incredibly slow Ricoh 5A22 CPU which clocked in at 3.58MHz, so the two player mode would have ground the game to a near halt with slowdown, and this is also why only 3 enemies are on screen. Compare that with the arcade boards Motorola 68000 CPU which is clocked in at over twice the speed of the SNES' chip at 10MHz plus it had a load of custom chips to handle graphics and sound then you see the problem here, and its not Capcom's fault. Guy and the missing level - The maximum cartridge size in 1990 for a Super Famicom game was 8Megabits and so what you see in the game is all they could fit in. They didn't leave stuff out just to be lazy or to be deliberately shit to the players, the technology literally didn't exist yet and wouldn't do until 2 years later when Streetfighter II came along in a 16Megabit cartridge. Graphical changes - You couldn't just use the arcade game's graphics on the SNES becasue the maximum resolutions are different. The CPS-1 arcade board had a max resolution of 384x224 whereas the SNES only had a max of 256x224 (over 100 pixels less) so the sprites would have been far too big on the screen, not only for the gameplay but the aforementioned slow CPU could never have handled it and so that's why everything was redrawn by hand. Finally, I think it's important to realise that the arcade game was released in December of 1989 and the SNES port came out in December of 1990. That's just a year, and development didn't start on the SNES game the minute the arcade game was released as Nintendo probably didn't strike a deal with Capcom until mid 1990. So with that in mind, to have a group of people trying to port what is a very recent and state of the art arcade game onto an inferior but still new and unfamiliar system within a few months was a huge task. I think that under all those circumstances it's a fucking tremendous port! I totally agree about the sound effects too. They gave so much impact to the hits and some games just overlook this. As for the sequels I'll keep it brief since I've ranted for far to long - Though FF2 was solid and beautiful looking but it just didn't have anything new. FF3 felt more like a Rival Turf sequel than a Final Fight one. Kind of thin, by the numbers and a little flimsy but it was ok. Needed more heavy sound effects.
Psyclapse I don't think anyone hates Final Fight SNES. They just can't go back to it once they've refamiliarised themselves with the original because the compromises are so severe.
I can't play the SNES Final Fight One because the hit detection is bad relative to the other games. I play it once in a while, but usually more for self-punishment than anything.
Yeah, your average person doesn't really care enough to pay attention to all this shit. Lol. They just care that they're missing a character, a level, and co-op 2-player (best part of beat em ups). It's awesome that you're so knowledgeable about these things, but knowing them doesn't fix the end product.
Streets of Rage will always be superior in my opinion, but Final Fight is great. SoR 2, Final Fight 3, and Turtles in Time are the peak of beat em up perfection in my opinion.
This is how I personally scored the games:Sound Design -3 had the best music, 1 had the best strike sounds, 2+3 are tied for death groans. All had great music, but 3's instrumentation was just cleaner.Hit Detection -3 had the best detection, period. A lot less i-frames for enemies, like Andores and Bosses. Unlike 1 and 2 where you can stand on line with the enemy/boss and whiff a few times before the hit registers.Control -2 was better than 1, but 3 was a lot smoother and more responsive.Artwork/Visual Design -2 had the classic CAPCOM style and the best mix of , 1 was a murky grey mess except Andore and some of small enemies, and 3 had great looking bosses, but a few of the sprites just were bland, like Lucia had no definition in her skin feature, unlike Maki, who was shaded pretty well. Like 3 didn't know if it wanted to be part of classic CAPCOM or the ALPHA series at points. For backgrounds, 3 had it dialed to 11 in detail, and felt more compatible with the sprites than 1 and 2 did in some cases.Story? -Is this even important? 1 and 2 are better premises, but 3 does have interesting character backstory for Dean. He doesn't get involved in the gang warfare in Metro City, and after refusing to join the largest gang, they kill his family and he seeking revenge. That's neat. As well as the idea that after the Mad Gear's demise, new crime organizations started to fight over influence, I wish that angle was played up on more.Personally 3 is my favorite, but 2 is close runner up and the only reason it isn't is because of the detection issues. I can only play 1 on GBA or Sega CD just because the SNES feels so empty, unpolished, and incomplete.I'm shocked you haven't done Mighty Final Fight. That will be an interesting game to cover.
Speaking of price, I recently got a copy of the Japanese Final Fight 2 for $9. And you don't have to read to enjoy some Final Fight. Definitely consider this option if you want to save some cash.
U don't have to grab them to throw them simply press down and attack on the third hit in anyone's combo so like x,x down and x then they will throw to the other side
I love FF3 soundtrack so much!!!! And you picked my favorite song to begin the analysis. It's such a perfect urban soundtrack. Not as memorable as Chrono Trigger, but couldn't be any better for a street level game. FF3 is really an easy game, I recommend it to introduce players to the Beat'em ups. My only complain are the bosses, they have a really repetitive pattern; in other words, don't stay close to the boss after you knock him down. And you're absolutely right about the punch sound on FF1.
In all those years playing these games, I never noticed there is never more than 3 enemies on my screen. Also, just do the hitting combo and keep down pressed to end it tossing the enemy backwards or up to send them forward.
I have a compilation called Capcom Classics for the original XBox that has the arcade version of Final Fight. It’s definitely a satisfying game to play.
Does anyone know if there's a game that's like taking the characters from Street fighter 2 with all their moves and special powers, and then put those characters in a beat em up? Have a great day everyone and thank you
The head of the Mad Gears in the first game reminds me of the main bad guy in Cyborg with Jean Claude Van Damage. I also wish he was in the SF series!! The cyborg was also in Point Break!
Whoa I have played around with Final Fight over the years & watched videos on the series but I never knew you could "command throw" (as they are called in Fight N Rage) in a combo without a grab. Not listed in the manual. Thanks drunk , that improves my enjoyment of this particular cart
I recommend buying the Super Famicom version of Final Fight 2 and Guy if you plan on getting the games in cartridge form. Unfortunately the 3rd instalment is expensive world wide iirc
And even for a loose cartridge, expect for the price to teeter near the $100 range. I should know, because when I bought my copy of Final Fight 3 at a game convention in 2018, it cost me $89 bucks, but the gameplay is worth every penny.
I liked it last time I saw this game was in the arcades. I guess he's called Haggar green pants and suspenders his likeness is in Saturday night slam masters.
Oh, the Japanese Super Famicom ports feature Poison and Roxy? I never knew that. I always just assumed that the SFC releases were identical to the PAL/NA SNES ports.
Somewhat unrelated, but it's fascinating from a linguistic perspective how "is problematic" has completely replaced "is a problem" for use in describing problems in American English. Their use and function is the same, yet you rarely hear "is a problem" like you would in the near immediate past or several decades before. Kinda neat if unusual.
Great point about the sound effects when hitting enemies, that's one of the reasons most Megadrive fans prefer Streets of Rage 2 over 3 or Street Fighter 2 SCE over Eternal Champions.
That's weird because I never really understood that... because every time I hear really crunchy, distorted hit sounds, I just think of every crap Jaleco beat em up and it just doesn't sit well with me... That said, I am more of a "does the sound match the damage value" kind of guy. Like, if it's a big crunchy sound, that shit better have taken off a sizeable chunk of health.
The first final fight on the snes was the only way to play it at home at the time and while it has it limitations (no Guy was massive for me) it’s still a great game. I was spending a lot of time in arcades prior to the time of its Snes release though and had already played through the game with each character several times. It was never a game I’d of bought but I rented it and still enjoyed it regardless.
I love Final Fighter but I'm still waiting for The Peace Keepers, great sound, more moves, lot's of characters and a super sayain, but of course you know that.
@MrStanrir If you went into FF3 *options* you could have set *hit configuration* to _off._ Unlike the original Double Dragon in the arcade where me and my friend would end up killing each other long before we got to round 3.
I don't know if it's just me but when ever I played Final Fight it always seemed like I found a health boost after I needed it. I would be low on health then die then I would punch a barrel and there would be a health boost but now I'm full on heath. Streets of Rage always seemed to have the health boost right when you needed it Sega just made that little detail better some how.
I'm surprised there was no mention of the slowdown that happens when playing co-op in 2 and 3... it is extremely noticeable and detracts from the experience... the Arcade hack for Final Fight Guy makes that game the best of the SNES series... 3 would be 2nd best in my opinion... 2 is still good but is easily the worst of the trilogy.
"OH MY CA-" LMADO It didn't have the R on it! 🤣🤣 They also censored the girls that were villains. No beating up women on the SNES, also they changed the names on quite a few characters as well.
Lucia is a great addition (although I wish they'd kept Maki in FF3 as well), but I'm always confused about how to pronounce her name. Is it LOOsha? LOOsee-ya? LooSEEya? LooCHEEya? (I think that last one is the Italian version.)
Final Fight 3 is such an underrated gem for the Snes. It probably was that it was released late in the console life and Playstation was stealing the Snes thunder by then, but I feel that game never got the love it deserves.
I've played final fight 1 and 3 on snes and final fight arcade! If it's the poor port for the snes then damn I always loved it! Never played final fight on sega cd, which I heard was the best port! I ordered a sega mini 2 yesterday so when it gets in from Japan it's gonna be my first game to boot up!
You're probably right about this... With Final Fight being such a limited and censored port. Plus, Knights of the Round had blocking and better enemies (overall). My favorite character in this game - even though he's the slowest and has the shortest reach - is Percival; Knights of the Round's Haggar, basically. A monster in terms of power, and his Giant Swing is realistically the best special move in the game.
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For me, the biggest fault with the 1st Final Fight on the SNES was when you lose all your lives, then you back to the beginning of the stage. There are no checkpoints, even if you’re at the boss.
git gud
jk (mostly)
Welcome to most games back then? If u suck just say so nerd.
You forgot the fact that 3 allowed for a lot of different route changes (if you break certain things or enter certain doors), and some options you can skip enemies altogether. There are also weapons which are suited directly to the heores and allow additional and better attacking with, and a lot more control of attacks and the super attack that is added on 3. I liked 3 a lot, but I also adore 2
sounds like an outrun version of the beat 'em up genre. great idea.
Golden Axe 3 also had branching paths, though I'm not sure if FF3 came first or not.
Livnat Mizrahi Part 2 is way too hard
The biggest problem I have with the original Final Fight is the lack of check points. I feel like that's where most of the difficulty comes from.
Yup. That's what keeps me from liking it. It just gets too frustrating and not fun after a while.
I can't play any Final Fight games after 3....That one was on another level!!!
Meh... I guess I'd agree and disagree at the same time. Streetwise is not a good game, but it's definitely not a bad game, either. I guess the goal of that game was not to make it look edgy, or cool, but to make it in a somewhat realistic 90's style environment, in a rugged city filled with crime, gangs and combat, so the feeling of that does in a way pay respect to the franchise a bit. (IMHO)
@@KurisuKagato I really wish Streetwise took off tbh. Would of made an awesome edgy sub-series if anything. If only they nailed it. Would would be...?
Strangest thing, the 4th level IS STILL IN the SNES game, you can access it via an Action Replay, it's just missing the correct sprites, so looks like a garbled mess.
Wonder if it was a case of they tried, realised they couldn't put it in fully and just left the bits in still?
Which would be pretty stupid since they could probably use that space to maybe add Guy or something else?
@@LeeONardo ...yes - this would be enough Space to add Guy and a 2player-Mode.
Cool. Have you done a video on that? I was wondering why the song from the missing stage was in the hidden options menu sound test. So is Poison/Roxy's death cry, but they're in the Japanese versions so that makes more sense.
@@derossetmyers47 I've partially written one on it, as the SNES Final Fight as loads of weird stuff in it.
Um, I'm pretty sure you can turn off hitting each other in Final Fight 3.
*opens emulator to confirm*
Yes, you can. You change Hit Config to Off. Sadly, the second one doesn't have that option.
5:14 Haggar = 6.64 ft
2:39 Haggar = 6'10"
3:43 Haggar = 6'7"
He grew about three inches for FF2 but then shrank again :O
LAZER_SKULLx99 - They do say you lose height as you get older, but this is ridiculous.
He was 6’8 in FinaFightCD
He measures his height in different shoes?
Like many Hollywood celebrities, Hagger is wearing lifts and lying about his real height.
@@ThatOldSchoolMagic in the snes manual says 6'8" as well 😎
He still at least 6 inches taller than me
Kudos for mentioning how the impact sound is really important in beat em ups. It’s often overlooked and imo is a massive factor.
It's one of the more underrated improvements between SOR1 and SOR2.
I remember I sold my Genesis to get a SNES and back again about 3 times. I think this was the first game to convince me to sell my Genesis for a SNES!
It was the first game I ever saw with such huge sprites! I didn't believe a home system could duplicate those huge arcade sprites, it was a first for the time. I had to have it. Yeah, Sega had Streets of Rage, but notice the small onscreen characters in that game?
Eventually I believe the blood in mortal kombat convinced me to sell the SNES back for a Genesis, but then I was struck how the graphics (more bright/colorful) and audio were much better on the SNES version of MK. So I went back yet again to SNES and stayed there.
One thing I love about not having a certain system growing up is you get to play new games you never knew about! As a Sega genesis fan who loves beat em ups. This series was so fun to play! Great video man! Awesome content!
Final Fight 3 has to be one of my favourite beat-em-ups and might just make my top 5 scrolling fighters. The original will always have a special place in my heart though as I played it to death in the arcade and subsequently snes.
I've never played the 2nd or 3rd one. But I grew up playing the 1st final fight. So to me it'll always be my favorite
Final Fight 3 is def the best of the trilogy! Amazing game!
I hated it. It felt more like a Rushing Beat game rather than a Final Fight one.
@@nebularain3338 I liked part one the best
I like the 2nd one the best
Yes - sure I own all 3 - the 3rd is the best. But not compared to Streets of Rage 2 or Paprium on Megadrive
@@greensun1334 SoR2 is one of best beatem up in 16 bits but Paprium is other thing, it can not be in this competion obviously is a modern game with modern technlogy ;-) no dicusion possible here. We talk about games from 16 bits life with that tech in 90s, is written History. Paprium is great but I and most of people can not consider it a Megadrive game even if it runs on it, is other thing , modern game.
Gladly, I own ALL THREE Final Fight games for SNES. The first one is a classic despite its limitations. Final Fight 2, however, is definitely my absolute favorite of the bunch, even though 3 may be the best of the series.
Love how Chun-Li from street fighter is just there eating Ramen at 3:10
Wow. The music from the first Final Fight really takes me back.
Great Video!
Final Fight in the arcade blew my mind as a young kid. Someday it is my dream to own the arcade cabinet!
Why do that when you can play it on the Capcom Beat 'Em Up Bundle?
I used to own the JAMMA PCB to it back in the day. But you can obviously get it not just on various past, and modern consoles in arcade perfect form, but in arcade machine form via the Arcade 1Up now too.
I found final fight on xbox one i first played it on nintendo though so later on when on xbox oh the memories ive beat these games alot but it never gets old.
4:17 Actually, you dont' have to grab the enemy first to throw them in the other direction -- just hold down while doing the standing combo.
Totally right about the sound effects in final fight. Was so satisfying hearing the noise of clocking dudes over and over again. Plus you've got to love the mayor's no nonsense approach to dealing with crime.
Seeing that first boss sit on the rail and whistle for bad guys to come blew my mind as a kid.
Any game you play and have playing is worth playing today. Honestly i like the old games a hella lot better then games today
I love how Haggar has decided to grow a ponytail and put on really tight shorts in the third one.
Love the Final Fight series. Played all 3 when I was little. 3 is still my favorite. I have a SNES multcart with the first 3 games plus FFGuy.
3:13 Hey, it's Chun Li in the background! I always loved that nice little hat tip.
Final fight two and three are top ten classics.
2 is meh
3 is awesome tho
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Final fight 2 is genius
Final fight 3 is a timeless classic.
Final Fight 2 and 3 are rare, and some of the most expensive SNES games now, especially if you want them in good condition. I think they made a lot more copies of the first Final Fight because it was a launch title and released with the SNES.
Final fight guy is great I love it
@@j0nnyism FFG is indeed better than SNES Final Fight.
IS THAT CHUN-LI SITTING IN THE BACKGROUND AT 3:14?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Anyone else notice that? pretty coolllllll
PogSlammer Looks like it!
This has been known since the early 90s dude. All the magazines of the time pointed it out as well as the Guile cameo in stage 2. It's very old news.
OMG How did i not know this?!! I'm sooo stupid and behind the times! Oh, maybe caz i didn't have a SNES growing up nor did i subscribe to any gaming related magazines as a kid. Troll of the day award goes to...
lotta Capcom stuff always has crossovers, many FF characters are in the SF series
Sodom, Cody, Guy, Hugo, Poison and, most recently, Abigail, have all become playable characters in Street Fighter, yeah. Sadly no Haggar - I think they made some kind of (bullshit) official decision that he'd stay in the Capcom Vs. games and not Street Fighter. ¬__¬
Cody and Poison are even two of my all-time favourite top ten characters to play as in SF, even. Can't beat being a lazy con in a vaudeville prison outfit who slugs people in the face with a hidden wrench and who's victory pose is lying down for a nap, or a punk rock transsexual dominatrix former gang lietenant and now successful businesswoman kicking the ass of the all of the straight dudes. Also they're like the only two characters in ALL of Street Fighter who's fighting style is ACTUAL STREET FIGHTING.
Cody has the amazing ability to look like he’s being grabbed when he grabs an enemy.
I've been trying to remember the name of these games forever. played final fight 2 with my cousin for hours. Countless times we beat it. Probably my fav snes game.
Hey man, I'm a newish subscriber and I quite enjoy your work. You're down to earth and seem to really enjoy the subject material you talk about. Please keep it going!
+DocGamer Thanks for watching
Love watching your reviews man youve allowed to pick and choose snes games much more efficiently thanks man
2:17 “SWEET! MERCIFUL CRAP! MY CAR!”
-Homer Simpson
I really liked the first Final Fight on SNES- especially the soundtrack. Final Fight 2 was probably my favorite on the system- it has 3 selectable characters, and a full set of stages. Final Fight 3 was mixed for me. It has better presentation, but the slowdown is horrendous and the enemy selection is noticeably smaller.
For me the first final fight was the one. It was my second snes game and the first to really bring the 90s arcade feeing home. To this day, the snes remix of the themes bring back fond memories and every once in a while I’ll boot up my snes emulator for a wonderful trip down memory lane! Thank you capcom!
I prefer playing multiplayer but you brought up some really great pros for the first game. What about Mighty Final Fight? I know that one i really expensive but its part of the series technically.
Final Fight 3 is my favourite Beat'em up, and it has my favourite soundtrack from any Capcom game~♥
I love it!
I agree, though it's a shame a copy costs so much these days. Price aside and for me it's really a toss up between TMNT IV and Final Fight 3 for the best beat em up on the snes. I love all the moves you can pull off and string together, and the soundtrack is absolutely top notch.
My favorite Beat'em up ever as well!
Would have benefited from better weapon placement
SNES aside, Bare Knuckle III is perhaps the best classic 2D beat-em'up overall
@@Victory-in-YAHUSHA Streets of Rage 2 is my Favourite
I've been trying to defeat Final Fight on SNES lately but it's pretty hard, even on the easiest setting...I did get to Belger though. I can just play it on Switch anyway
I wonder if 2 and/or 3 would be more approachable
FINAL FIGHT was also the 1st SNES game we'd gotten with the SNES that xmas it came out.
It was amazing at the time! The port showed its issues over time in comparison but it was still a GEM to use as kids at the time. My brother, it's still one of his fave games so even with the issues with the SNES port. He was a super happy kid to get it!
He couldn't believe we were playing it at home
I got final fight 1 in the capcom beat em up classics on steam last year. Best original arcade port since the Sega CD
What annoys me about the first one on SNES is that I actually like it the most, other than the fact one of the fighters is missing and there's no two player. But I just like the way it looks and moves and feels more than the others.
If you want to play final fight (first one) play the Sega Cd version, it's amazing.
Given you actually have a Sega CD ;-)
Enchurito Better yet, play Final Fight 3. That game is awesome
emulators, duh
Enchurito the best version was the sega cd version.
is the sega cd version really that good. I've never played it but I've seen the games action and I'm really hoping that the controls are much better like the controls in Final Fight 2 and 3.
Final Fight 3 is my all time favorite. The way they present the story, the special moves, different routes and great graphics...*chef kiss. Still play it on my original snes all the time
Gr8 video. Thank you for releasing HQ content on YT. I almost adore FF games, esp. "Final Fight Tough" (Japanese version of the third game) and "Mighty Final Fight" which is one of the most exciting games for NES / Famicom console. Got used to play those games using the emu-s for my Android smartphone. The first classic one is still too (extremely) challenging for me 😅😂
Great video. The original Final Fight on the SNES gets too much hate becasue people don't do proper research into the technology and circumstances of the time and just assume Capcom left stuff out because they couldn't be bothered. It wasn't like that and here's why the it had stuff missing -
2 player mode - Final Fight was a launch game for a brand new system so the programmers weren't familiar with the assembler code or hardware enough to know how to get around the SNES' incredibly slow Ricoh 5A22 CPU which clocked in at 3.58MHz, so the two player mode would have ground the game to a near halt with slowdown, and this is also why only 3 enemies are on screen. Compare that with the arcade boards Motorola 68000 CPU which is clocked in at over twice the speed of the SNES' chip at 10MHz plus it had a load of custom chips to handle graphics and sound then you see the problem here, and its not Capcom's fault.
Guy and the missing level - The maximum cartridge size in 1990 for a Super Famicom game was 8Megabits and so what you see in the game is all they could fit in. They didn't leave stuff out just to be lazy or to be deliberately shit to the players, the technology literally didn't exist yet and wouldn't do until 2 years later when Streetfighter II came along in a 16Megabit cartridge.
Graphical changes - You couldn't just use the arcade game's graphics on the SNES becasue the maximum resolutions are different. The CPS-1 arcade board had a max resolution of 384x224 whereas the SNES only had a max of 256x224 (over 100 pixels less) so the sprites would have been far too big on the screen, not only for the gameplay but the aforementioned slow CPU could never have handled it and so that's why everything was redrawn by hand.
Finally, I think it's important to realise that the arcade game was released in December of 1989 and the SNES port came out in December of 1990. That's just a year, and development didn't start on the SNES game the minute the arcade game was released as Nintendo probably didn't strike a deal with Capcom until mid 1990. So with that in mind, to have a group of people trying to port what is a very recent and state of the art arcade game onto an inferior but still new and unfamiliar system within a few months was a huge task. I think that under all those circumstances it's a fucking tremendous port!
I totally agree about the sound effects too. They gave so much impact to the hits and some games just overlook this. As for the sequels I'll keep it brief since I've ranted for far to long -
Though FF2 was solid and beautiful looking but it just didn't have anything new.
FF3 felt more like a Rival Turf sequel than a Final Fight one. Kind of thin, by the numbers and a little flimsy but it was ok. Needed more heavy sound effects.
Psyclapse I don't think anyone hates Final Fight SNES. They just can't go back to it once they've refamiliarised themselves with the original because the compromises are so severe.
the first one is the best.... but i think its because they sacrifice the 2 player for solid big sprite gameplay compare to the sequels
Psyclapse man...who are you??
I can't play the SNES Final Fight One because the hit detection is bad relative to the other games. I play it once in a while, but usually more for self-punishment than anything.
Yeah, your average person doesn't really care enough to pay attention to all this shit. Lol. They just care that they're missing a character, a level, and co-op 2-player (best part of beat em ups). It's awesome that you're so knowledgeable about these things, but knowing them doesn't fix the end product.
Dont worry I got you cover guys, as I type this I am working on a patch to disable the 2 player friendly fire on Final Fight 2...
Streets of Rage will always be superior in my opinion, but Final Fight is great. SoR 2, Final Fight 3, and Turtles in Time are the peak of beat em up perfection in my opinion.
I like the 1992 Batman Returns game by Konami as well. The gameplay felt a lot like Final Fight/Streets of Rage.
That Batman game with Christmas
Theme is awesome
Bare Knuckle III is the peak of beat em'up perfection in my opinion. It doesn't have great music, but the gameplay is solid!
Hold on how can they be the peak if streets of rage is better? Is it above the peak? Floating somehow in the air ?
@@j0nnyism I'm saying these are the peak games for the beat em up genre. And if asked, I personally like SoR the best of them all.
Have you played Mighty Final Fight for the NES? That was a fun game.
This is how I personally scored the games:Sound Design -3 had the best music, 1 had the best strike sounds, 2+3 are tied for death groans. All had great music, but 3's instrumentation was just cleaner.Hit Detection -3 had the best detection, period. A lot less i-frames for enemies, like Andores and Bosses. Unlike 1 and 2 where you can stand on line with the enemy/boss and whiff a few times before the hit registers.Control -2 was better than 1, but 3 was a lot smoother and more responsive.Artwork/Visual Design -2 had the classic CAPCOM style and the best mix of , 1 was a murky grey mess except Andore and some of small enemies, and 3 had great looking bosses, but a few of the sprites just were bland, like Lucia had no definition in her skin feature, unlike Maki, who was shaded pretty well. Like 3 didn't know if it wanted to be part of classic CAPCOM or the ALPHA series at points. For backgrounds, 3 had it dialed to 11 in detail, and felt more compatible with the sprites than 1 and 2 did in some cases.Story? -Is this even important? 1 and 2 are better premises, but 3 does have interesting character backstory for Dean. He doesn't get involved in the gang warfare in Metro City, and after refusing to join the largest gang, they kill his family and he seeking revenge. That's neat. As well as the idea that after the Mad Gear's demise, new crime organizations started to fight over influence, I wish that angle was played up on more.Personally 3 is my favorite, but 2 is close runner up and the only reason it isn't is because of the detection issues. I can only play 1 on GBA or Sega CD just because the SNES feels so empty, unpolished, and incomplete.I'm shocked you haven't done Mighty Final Fight. That will be an interesting game to cover.
Just purchased Final Fight Tough (Final Fight 3) for the Super Famicom! Looking forward to it.
Really good, concise overview. Keep the great content coming.
Speaking of price, I recently got a copy of the Japanese Final Fight 2 for $9. And you don't have to read to enjoy some Final Fight. Definitely consider this option if you want to save some cash.
The original is still my favourite game of all time. So many memories and yes it's completely nostalgia based
I can respect a healthy dose of self awareness.
I just put Final Fight 3 on my Wii U virtual console… once I finish Metroid Dread I’m jumping in.
holy crap... I've been watching you for 2 1/2 years?!
U don't have to grab them to throw them simply press down and attack on the third hit in anyone's combo so like x,x down and x then they will throw to the other side
Since you like Final Fight on the SNES so much, have you ever thought about doing a tutorial? I find the SNES port to be incredibly difficult
I have a retrocade. Never played Mighty Final Fight when was young. Been playing it recently, it is so much fucking fun
I love FF3 soundtrack so much!!!! And you picked my favorite song to begin the analysis. It's such a perfect urban soundtrack. Not as memorable as Chrono Trigger, but couldn't be any better for a street level game.
FF3 is really an easy game, I recommend it to introduce players to the Beat'em ups. My only complain are the bosses, they have a really repetitive pattern; in other words, don't stay close to the boss after you knock him down.
And you're absolutely right about the punch sound on FF1.
"Law And Disorder" that's the song.... so good.... I want to punch some punks right now!
+Cyrus Annihilator Oh yeah, it's the friggin best
Final Fight 3 is my favorite one. Music and gameplay was amazing.
Final Fight 3 is one of the best SNES-brawlers. Capcom is the master of brawlers!
In all those years playing these games, I never noticed there is never more than 3 enemies on my screen. Also, just do the hitting combo and keep down pressed to end it tossing the enemy backwards or up to send them forward.
All of them!
I have a compilation called Capcom Classics for the original XBox that has the arcade version of Final Fight. It’s definitely a satisfying game to play.
Does anyone know if there's a game that's like taking the characters from Street fighter 2 with all their moves and special powers, and then put those characters in a beat em up? Have a great day everyone and thank you
How in the hell do you do haggar’s spinning pile driver? I have tried and tried. Can’t figure it out. Guess I am stupid.
For me is the first one I prefer playing!
The head of the Mad Gears in the first game reminds me of the main bad guy in Cyborg with Jean Claude Van Damage. I also wish he was in the SF series!! The cyborg was also in Point Break!
Whoa I have played around with Final Fight over the years & watched videos on the series but I never knew you could "command throw" (as they are called in Fight N Rage) in a combo without a grab. Not listed in the manual. Thanks drunk , that improves my enjoyment of this particular cart
I recommend buying the Super Famicom version of Final Fight 2 and Guy if you plan on getting the games in cartridge form. Unfortunately the 3rd instalment is expensive world wide iirc
And even for a loose cartridge, expect for the price to teeter near the $100 range. I should know, because when I bought my copy of Final Fight 3 at a game convention in 2018, it cost me $89 bucks, but the gameplay is worth every penny.
I liked it last time I saw this game was in the arcades. I guess he's called Haggar green pants and suspenders his likeness is in Saturday night slam masters.
One thing that always made me laugh a little is how ridiculously JACKED the bosses are
get the sfc versions of
final fight & final fight guy they have poison & roxy.
Oh, the Japanese Super Famicom ports feature Poison and Roxy? I never knew that. I always just assumed that the SFC releases were identical to the PAL/NA SNES ports.
Somewhat unrelated, but it's fascinating from a linguistic perspective how "is problematic" has completely replaced "is a problem" for use in describing problems in American English. Their use and function is the same, yet you rarely hear "is a problem" like you would in the near immediate past or several decades before. Kinda neat if unusual.
Great point about the sound effects when hitting enemies, that's one of the reasons most Megadrive fans prefer Streets of Rage 2 over 3 or Street Fighter 2 SCE over Eternal Champions.
That's weird because I never really understood that... because every time I hear really crunchy, distorted hit sounds, I just think of every crap Jaleco beat em up and it just doesn't sit well with me...
That said, I am more of a "does the sound match the damage value" kind of guy. Like, if it's a big crunchy sound, that shit better have taken off a sizeable chunk of health.
Geez. Final fight was so freaking awesome. Blew me away as a kid.
The first final fight on the snes was the only way to play it at home at the time and while it has it limitations (no Guy was massive for me) it’s still a great game. I was spending a lot of time in arcades prior to the time of its Snes release though and had already played through the game with each character several times. It was never a game I’d of bought but I rented it and still enjoyed it regardless.
Personaly i love final figth 3, for me, it was the first i play
I love Final Fighter but I'm still waiting for The Peace Keepers, great sound, more moves, lot's of characters and a super sayain, but of course you know that.
No mention of FF Tough on SFC? I'm not familiar with the series perhaps thats the name of FF3 in Japan.
You can get it on Xbox 360 - Capcom Collection Disc.
I prefer the JP Sega CD version of Final Fight over all both the arcade and SNES version, but I do not think the SNES version is bad by any means.
I want to own the whole Final Fight series for my SNES .. I'll come back and let you know when I have All 3 for my SNES and the GBA version of it.
Why are Haggar height and weight so different from one another for each game?
Super R Type has great sound and ost on the snes also
I tried final fight 3 once, being able to hit the 2nd player caused way to many fights so I have super bad memories of that game
@MrStanrir
If you went into FF3 *options* you could have set *hit configuration* to _off._
Unlike the original Double Dragon in the arcade where me and my friend would end up killing each other long before we got to round 3.
I don't know if it's just me but when ever I played Final Fight it always seemed like I found a health boost after I needed it. I would be low on health then die then I would punch a barrel and there would be a health boost but now I'm full on heath. Streets of Rage always seemed to have the health boost right when you needed it Sega just made that little detail better some how.
Isn't one difference there is unlimited continues on Final Fight 3? Unlike Final Fight 1?
The REAL deal-breaker on the SNES port is no Poison. :P
I'm surprised there was no mention of the slowdown that happens when playing co-op in 2 and 3... it is extremely noticeable and detracts from the experience... the Arcade hack for Final Fight Guy makes that game the best of the SNES series... 3 would be 2nd best in my opinion... 2 is still good but is easily the worst of the trilogy.
God, how I loved Final Fight 2 back at its time. Got the Japanese Copy for just 20Bucks then.
@4:09 I wish usses had that much room
awesome video bro, I have all of them on capcom collection vol 1 &2 its a very good port
I’m getting to play all of these for the first time via the Wii U virtual console. Much cheaper way to play Final Fight 3
"OH MY CA-" LMADO
It didn't have the R on it! 🤣🤣
They also censored the girls that were villains. No beating up women on the SNES, also they changed the names on quite a few characters as well.
I didn't know you could punch then throw them in the opposite direction in final fight 1. That probably would have made things slightly easier 😉
Lucia is a great addition (although I wish they'd kept Maki in FF3 as well), but I'm always confused about how to pronounce her name. Is it LOOsha? LOOsee-ya? LooSEEya? LooCHEEya? (I think that last one is the Italian version.)
Final Fight 3 is such an underrated gem for the Snes. It probably was that it was released late in the console life and Playstation was stealing the Snes thunder by then, but I feel that game never got the love it deserves.
I've played final fight 1 and 3 on snes and final fight arcade! If it's the poor port for the snes then damn I always loved it! Never played final fight on sega cd, which I heard was the best port! I ordered a sega mini 2 yesterday so when it gets in from Japan it's gonna be my first game to boot up!
Even though I love FF I think Capcoms best beat em up on the SNES was Knights Of The Round.
Yeah, but Lancelot is the only viable character as he is the only one with any decent range.
You're probably right about this... With Final Fight being such a limited and censored port. Plus, Knights of the Round had blocking and better enemies (overall). My favorite character in this game - even though he's the slowest and has the shortest reach - is Percival; Knights of the Round's Haggar, basically. A monster in terms of power, and his Giant Swing is realistically the best special move in the game.
Haggar with the double bicep pose with the drop kick