Even if they sent the memo out 2 weeks ago . Why didn’t they do it before the start of the season or at least the nsw cup before doing it. 200 new rules but they want it to be faster without injury
The Rule has always been there it’s just that they’re now enforcing it. Just like Rugby Union. If it’s high and intentional it’s a red card. Un-intentional or mitigating factors it’s a yellow. Coaches/players know about it.
@@danielkelly4487 Buzz had great points. Kent just likes to be a dick for the sake of stirring Buzz up. Him and Hooper both laughed once he got a bit angry. He's a nonce journalist.
@@andy_2901 buzz gets most of he’s facts wrong most of the time he just throws mud at the wall and hope something sticks These aren’t new rules it been a rule since the start you can’t tackle someone in the head
Kent contradicts himself he’s saying the players need to be protected but a few weeks ago he was calling for the biff to come back 🤨🤨 he and Hooper are hopeless. Why wasn’t Kaufusi suspended for his blatant head high on Corey Norman? I guess Norman was in the wrong for not staying down and milking it... R.I.P. NRL
They mean something different when they say “biff” - “Biff” means let the players have their blowups and melees instead of becoming grubby and dirty because they’re agitated.
@@imalwaysright yeah what happens when one player gets knocked out from the biff and suffers a concussion lol. This weekends football was an absolute disgrace they haven’t just ruined Magic Round, they have ruined Rugby League
@@SubZero-zm3yh I don’t agree rugby league is ruined. They’ve gone OTT on enforcement. They should have properly enforced the rules from start of season. However, fair point about the biff.
Players and coaches have been testing the boundaries of the rules for ages and didn’t adjusted their tackling because NRL enforcement had been soft. They knew they could get away with it. The NRL should’ve had balls earlier. Magic Round was a deliberate over-correction to force change. The NRL should reward good tackling, even if that means a slower play the ball. They should make some leeway for accidental high shots. They can still award a penalty even if it was accidental.
Average winning margin 20.7 points. That's how the round was ruined. If they are serious about player safety, they should be managing Tedesco out of the game or educating him on how to not fall into tackles. They need common sense. What happened to careless, reckless or intentional?
and players that fall into tackles like teddy, munster and looks papenhausen is joining the act - should be given a yellow card for failing their duty of care and putting their head in dangerous position. It will become a tactic of the coaches to play for penalties to reduce the opposition to 12 or 11 or worse.
Assuming this blitz continues, Origin can only go two ways 1. Zero intensity, lacklustre game as all players are fearful of getting thrown in the bin. 2. We end up with half the players on the field in the bin or sent off and the game in a shamble
Or their is complete hypocrisy from the NRL and the referees because of course SOO is the pinnacle of our game and the show piece of the sport n they don't want to damage that - I reckon we will see the hypocrisy come out
And other than head position in 6 weeks when we have good hit n drive tackles we will have a crackdown from NRL and Kenty - n they will be whinging about lifting in tackles
8:00 Kenty doesn't understand what kills sports. In Australia Basketball isn't professional because of no fans yet high participation, soccer as well ( yeh I said it's not professional) and Union is barely hanging on
Comparing Australian Basketball and A League to NRL and AFL in Australia is like comparing the American Soccer League to the NFL and NBA , not all sports are as big as the others no matter who played for it , NRL and AFL are the biggest and oldest Australia sports it will never be conquered ,
@@Jp-do9ny did I say that... No but smart coaches will find a way to exploit it just like the did grapple tackle etc to think they won't is thick it gives them a clear advantage... Moraly you hope they wouldn't I'm not meaning they are going to go out and dive into tackles... Tedesco has been called out on way he runs into tackles and that's just his style not his fault but it does leave him open to geting head nicks because he's dropping into tackles
If they want to get rid of high tackles and be as hard on it as they are then they need to get rid of the six again call which no one wants.Even the fittest players are out on their feet so of course more mistakes are going to happen
@@thelastword9594 it’s more a concussion issue more then anything and they need to stop it or it’ll end up like the nrl with law suits and the game doesn’t have the money to decide that
@@thelastword9594 I think the one rule I disagree with so far is if the ball gets kicked it’s a play the ball I think it should be a scrum to reward game managing halves to give he’s team a rest
As a Brisbane supporter I was fine with Tyson Gamble, because Tyson Gamble had been warned twice already for doing the same thing, and then did it again, which led to him getting sin bin I can live with that.
@@outlawrip-offartist4161 Im a supporter that when my team does something wrong im happy to say it out loud and not make poor excuses. For example, im a Parra supporter, the (Dylan) Brown and Niukore incidents were OBVIOUSLY sin bins. The fact they didnt see them was an outrage and to be honest the roosters would have won.....knowing Parra
You can see the difference between the coaches that were much more measured, nuanced and insightful with their comments (Craig, Wayne, Robbo) and those that were negative and whiny (Ricky, Baz). It’s no surprise which teams are at the top and which teams are at the bottom. Ricky Stuart is a flog. No wonder Canberra is a mess.
If the NRL don't crack down on head highs they will be potentially facing massive compensation payouts. This all follows the NFL findings and is why Rugby got so tough on head highs, based on their legal advice. It has the potential to bring the NRL to its knees financially if they can't demonstrate they have done enough to reduce the risk..
@@imalwaysright Yes.. Many just don't seem to get it.....The NFL already has a class action settlement that is expected to cost them around 1 Billion US dollars.. Overseas class actions are also being prepared in both rugby and league. So when PV talks about the threat to the game's future existence, while he doesn't specifically mention litigation, that's probably the real threat
Tempting if you just talk over the top of people. Hoops is just as bad. Experts that clearly never played the game. I actually don't like any of them, bunch of children who just seem to talk louder and can't agree. It's not a crime to disagree, just do it respectfully but I guess intelligence is lacking with this group.
Papalii wasn't a send off lol penalty sufficient lol no swinging motion but he should expect only 2 weeks for his hit but yeah player's should go one on one nice hard dumping legs tackles
You can’t enforce such heavy rule changes so early in the season and expect players to get it right straight away. It’s nonsense and quite frankly unfair on the players and teams. The biggest blow is when these players are getting sent off for soft penalties. 2 teams over the weekend were left with 11 players on the field for crying out loud I bet half the viewers didn’t finish watching. Yes I agree with the crackdown but fk me dead leave them on the field. The only send off that was warranted for me was ese ese
How does everyone not see how blatantly players are throwing the shoulder into their opposition with the intent of hitting high. Its like the shoulder charge got banned and every coach went straight to the definition of what is considered a shoulder charge and then modelled tackling on the most lethal version they could fit outside that definition.
Some of the send offs where soft, if this is the new standard say good bye to rugby league. Every time a poor decision is made, air leaves the room. I am so glad I kept my money in my pocket.
Worst round of football I’ve seen since that terrible period about 12-13 years ago where the video ref kept calling everything obstructions. The games were near unwatchable.
Love that this comes up with Kenty saying you cant tackle hard anymore, when people have been binned and charged for causing whiplash due to hard tackling. Wonder if his stance has changed on this point
Kent is a deadset dropkick. I get why he’s come around so quickly though. He did say that players and ex players are the last to come around, and you can’t say he was ever much of a player 😂
There were alot of the send offs as a fan I'm glad they are cracking down on. But this completely ignored the bullshit calls that were a joke. How the hell are you supposed to not touch the head in the Teddy one? He lost his balance and went head first into the defender. So players can go around head butting defenders with absurdly low centre of gravity looking for send offs now?
Players are getting suspensions for weeks and missing games when they are usually done by accident. Game has gone so soft because commentators like use ruin our game! If I see another 15 send bins again I’m telling you I’m not watching nrl again until it’s back to the tough days when we can throw punches, put on big hits and watch out team go All out!!!
It’s always “inconsistency” with Rothfield. The bloke lives in fantasy land where referees never make errors, penalty counts and six agains are always equal every single game, and every game is close and goes to golden point. Consistently.
Game got too fast, too much attack with 6 to go rule creates sloppy tired defence and high tackles gone wrong trying to wrap the ball up. Blow out scores will be the new normal, not rugby league any more, just glorified oztag.
Explain Fuimaono clocking Papahuyzen in the 11th minute, or Ese’ese hitting To’o on the chin less than 2 minutes after coming on. Were they too fatigued ? Was it too much attack ?
I think it's the late hit on players after the ball has been passed that is more the issue, it's a dog act and the NRL has been soft on it for ever. A lot of the high shots are careless and the players need to change but I believe they have sped the game up too much, you can't have the big heavy collisions and a super fast game as well, the accidents will keep happening.
I remember all the fanboys praising him when he took swift, drastic measures to save NRL during corona. He was “the man”, “a legend”, “a saviour”. Now, they hate him 😂😂😂😂😂
Paul Kent, how can you lower your tackle an inch in the split of a second? How do you know what the player carrying the ball is gonna do? I have been someone who had more concussions doing low around the chest tackles or legs tackles because the player carrying the ball accidentally hit me with an elbow or came up with a knee to my head. So how do you expect players to adjust? It's like taking the kicking out of kickboxing.
Could just be me, but it seems like the result of every rule change since V’Landys got in has/will result in more tries. More tries = more ads = more money from TV deals. Just my opinion, but I don’t think it’s a coincidence...
Kenty saying nfl have changed there tackling style so there’s no head contact maybe he should watch a game there always calling helmet to helmet contact and that rule has been in the nfl for 5 yrs now. There tackle style hasn’t changed
Simple fix to bring back the legs tackle I was taught through juniors count to three and get up it gives plenty of time to get a line set there will be a clear cut rule of how long you can stay in the tackle. It will bring back players fighting for the quick play the ball rather than milking a penalty in the ruck
@@damosanchex most intelligent comment here. With the speed and fatigue there is no team that could do legs tackles that won't be flogged by 50. Yes I'd love to see legs tackles but inside your own 20 every set would be a try.
Happy to see changes to the rules but the frequency of changes has resulted in most games just not being enjoyable to watch anymore. Hopefully the NRL get there in the end with how they want the game to be played but at the moment the game lacks entertainment and is at best frustrating to watch
Kenty needs taking of that panel and hoops needs replacing to. Shouting over each other and at an old man trying to get his point across absolute joke. And the way they are sin binning for head contact is going to kill the game and make players constantly dive low as they get tackled. It's going to cause more injuries
As a Manly fan I honestly think Tyson Gamble's tackle on Reuben Garrick was worthy of nothing more than a penalty at best. 10 for that was soft. And can someone explain how Moses Leota's hit in the Titans vs Panther's game was only worth 10, yet almost the very same tackle later in the game by Herman Ese'ese was worthy of a send-off.
Banning the offload would help achieve the goal. Also ban the fast play the ball - have to wait till the player is at marker. But the rule changes are also about 'faster, more exciting game'. So should we be questioning the sincerity of those wanting to protect the players if they also want such a fast paced exciting game. Slow the game down and you'll get less head high tackles.
I’m sick and tired of these new rules. These six agains are causing players to become fatigued and were seeing a lot of blow up games which is highly unwatchable. These sin bins/sent-offs are getting out of hand. I can understand vlandys saying we should focus on player welfare, but he doesn’t realise that rugby league is a contact sport. Accidents are going to happen. That josh papalli one wasn’t a send off. Honestly, where’s the consistency? It’s not the game I loved growing up as a kid who loved the physicality. Might as well call is National Touch League.
It is embarrassing for the sport. Concussion is only going to be more prevalent with this bullshit edict of just saying just tackle lower. You cant. You are going to have 8 concussions a game. Players are too skilled with footwork at the last second and too damn big to say just tackle lower. It is an out of touch remark from people that are out of touch with the athletes of today
Buzz, you are the man and you smoked kenty lol. The knock out blow was when you brought up he wanted the biff back just last year lol... Love this show
I flew up for magic round. I have loved rugby league from when I was a little kid, and never thought I’d say this but I was honestly bored watching the games on the weekend. It became a joke with fans in the crowd that players would be binned. With the injuries and bunker decisions the game was slower than ever. Sometimes looking at the clock and seeing 20 mins left you knew it would take 35+ to actually finish. What they are doing to our game is abominable. The nrl is most PR sensitive organisation I know of. Any criticism and they resort to ad hoc, non-strategic decisions. PVL - sort it out
You can’t reward a legs tackle. I don’t know how you could? The only way is if the player playing the ball must wait until the legs tackler gets back to marker but then that person could take his time getting up which would be another way of slowing the play the ball down.
@@imalwaysright no mate, all fans know the difference between what should be sin binned and what shouldn't. Tyson Gamble got sent for a tackle where the player getting tackled was yelling at the ref during the tackle. How the hell is that a sin bin? The player isn't affected to the point of being disadvantaged or being unable to play the ball anymore. If in the tackle you are telling the ref the tackler should be binned, thats not worthy of a sin bin then.
@@bellingdog I agree the Gamble call was dubious and harsh. If people didn’t talk in extremes, they’d see a lot more shared opinions. Unfortunately the NRL deliberately went extreme last weekend to send a signal. Consequently, some calls were harsh and excessive.
Why do at Magic round he says.... answer..All 16 teams technically together over 1 weekend, no arguments... Also If this was left till the next round or later he would be moaning that this should of started back at magic round and not left a week later. Cant win with some it seems. The players know how they should tackle, but these things have crept in and been left for far too long.
All eye's on this round compared other round's they wouldn't do it in indigenous round because it's more sacred so I guess it was a set up to get eyes and views on the NRL and rugby league is it good.. hmm next year was the time to implement it smh just dumb
Destroying the game, in a lot of the games the sent off and 10 of the minutes made the games not competitive. Its not enjoyable to watch. You bring the 6 again rules that make players more tired and then blame players to make poor tackle under Fatigue. The tackle on Aaron woods was sent to be a great tackle a couple of years and now you get 10 minutes for it. You need to make safety but at the same time it's a contract sport where people are running at each other.
I don’t mind the refs actually enforcing the rules. What I object to is coaches such as Robinson having a tantrum about it and dictating terms to the league because of his clubs standings where parramatta lost a key player in Matterson for 6 weeks with a much more serious injury from an offensive tackle. They need to stop protecting “key” players and protect every players welfare
Herman's was the only tackle that deserved a send off. Every other was marginal. Its getting ridiculous. Pap and Teddy were falling toward the ground before contact, what are tacklers meant to do at that split second?
Wrong. Teddy was unfair - I’ll give you that one. The Papz one - Dragons player was always aiming above the neck. That illegal hit was always gonna happen. Btw, players are actually allowed to step and duck when on the attack. League has never been a game of holding the ball and running completely upright into the defence.
@@imalwaysright aiming above the neck because he was dropping towards the ground. Your comment about being able to step and avoid the tackle is exactly my point, defenders have to drop more than 20cms or more in a split second to avoid a dangerous tackle. I think you'd understand better if you actually played which is why we need more ex players as refs
If the NRL left this game alone, instead of trying to speed it up for TV, everyone including the players, coaches, fans, media and administrators would be better off. Referee to the rules of the game. Encourage tackling around the legs rather than locking up the ball. What rubbish this game has become.
Not the same sport anymore, V'landys and Abdo need to leave the game alone, first you speed the game up to the speed of lightning then wonder why tired players are doing sloppy tackles and getting injured more, so instead of fixing that issue you just add more rules to the tackle, bloody clueless.
When a players forward progress stops and they have 2 defenders hanging off them call held immediately...refs dont call held quick enough...invites the 3rd player in to make the legs tackle, slows the ruck down, and the play the ball....forward progress stops "Scream HELD, Play the ball" will also stop injuries from 2 or 3 guys driving one 80-100kg player backwards crashing into the ground in a mass of arms and legs with 250- 300kgs coming down on top of them. HELD, PLAY IT, RELEASE HIM.....fuckin simples.
If you’re fatigued then don’t play. Better safe then sorry. Rugby league in 2021 is a sport that requires fitness levels to be at its best on game day. If you’re unable to give 100% during a game then why play at all ? A new rule that prevents players from a long term brain injury shouldn’t be an excuse for poor performance. Look at Penrith and Melbourne. These players just work on progressing their skill and fitness, so when a new rule comes in they can adjust themselves accordingly to perform well on game day. Titians defence on the weekend was shocking, hence why they gave away a lot of opportunities when Penrith was down a 1 player.
Almost every collision will give you some sort of concussion. Even if you don’t get knocked out/pass out you still get some sort of head injury.. it’s a contact sport this will happen. Just imagine a boxer or ufc fighter getting shaky legs and them stopping the fight..
this is incredible, when they (the powers that be) are saying that the game won't survive in 10 - 15 years if we don't defeat the concussion, the truth is... they are not exaggerating, former players loved ones are seeking litigation advice on financial recompense for the possible lack of care to players welfare thru a 1-3 year window period prior to the current leadership. (ie. knowing that concussions could/can lead to a deterioration in the quality of life, and failed to take ALL possible actions within their power, eg; Strongly enforcing the laws/rules of the game, tackles/contact above the sholders) now, I do not blame those families for investigating this route, remember these are sons, brothers, husbands and Dads, that can't remember why they walked into a room, or look blankly at someone and get embarrassed because they forget what they're talking about... (remember not all players are paid $1,000,000 a year) the reality is, if the NRL are found to have been lacking in the duty of care during that period they could face a multi-million dollar lawsuit, now if that was to happen, could the game survive? yes, maybe... (remember, less than 12 months ago, covid-19 revealed that the NRL's war chest was empty) but if the NRL is found liable, the clubs could also be called into question... and if a club has failed to do everything in their power for a players duty of care, now that would hurt the game we love... If one club is guilty, all clubs are... and game can not survive that. now, some will say that the NRL are just looking out for their own pocket and interests, some will say that's just tuff luck, you know risks when you sign a contract... but the truth is... everyone has the right to go home in the same condition as they arrived at work. and... The NRL has identified and placed the player's welfare as its number one priority. and if that is not enforced we won't have a game. *remember, I'm not a reporter, and I have absolutely no credibility, I just listen to those who speak with credibility and from experience form my own opinion... bring on %100 Footy
Then make it like the NFL and wear proper head gear. Make head gear mandatory. They want the toughness but expect players to be supermen. I have no problem with people doing litigation but if you think rules will stop people getting knocked out you are dreaming. Someone will always do a stupid head high tackle
thank you for your comments... agreed, in the heat of battle mind farts can and do occur, myself, I am guilty of them when I played. yes headgear, mouth guards and neck braces, are all available for players to utilise for personal safety. they are not compulsory because that is the country we live in, hard, with the freedom of choice. but the problem that the NRL is facing is not that players are being concussed just because of high tackles alone, (head injuries can occur from any number of accidents on the field as several former players have said) the problem is that information about concussions being bad, was released and made available more than 5 years ago. the HIA was introduced 2018? and prior to this, players were placed on report for contact to the head and remained on the field, then come time of the disciplinary action, the NRL had/has a loading system that allows a player to play the following week without penalty, not to mention that clubs would spend thousands on QBE to defend others. This does not sound like a sport that has taken immediate actions to reduce Preventable head contacts (the 1-3 year window) (yes, not all concussions are from high contact, but we can have a direct effect on the number of concussions from high contact by encouraging players to change their on-field behaviour thru punishment and corrective training) In short, the NRL are trying to stop/minimise concussions they have the direct ability to prevent or at the very least deter.
I'm with buzz, I hate these so called crackdowns if they were permanent that would be one thing, but they get brought up randomly based in public opinion
Make ALL players wear head gear and shoulder pads which absorb most of the hits to assist reducing the risk of injuries... also in future if tackling at the body and players start saying their organs are failing due to the big hits of playing football or ribs crack and puncture a lung where do they go then? Only tackling the legs? And new rule no offloads if defending player is touching you?.... game is becoming soooo different and it's where it is headed.. no pun intended
Kent plays 1 game and thinks he knows everything, players shouldn’t have to change anything about there tackling style it’s rugby league not touch footy harden up the crackdown is ridiculous and isn’t needed
Ikin is the one that makes the most sense and he has played the game at the highest level.
Buzz is 100% right its a panic on what happened last week I tbe roosters Parramatta game
I disagree with Buzz on a lot of things, but he's spot on with this one, it's a total over reaction.
@@michelledavidson8190 im exactly the same as you Michelle I 100% dont agree with most things he says , but he is correct this time
Kenty has no idea this will bring in more milky and diving in the game
One step closer to soccer
I’m convinced Kent doesn’t even like the game
Even if they sent the memo out 2 weeks ago . Why didn’t they do it before the start of the season or at least the nsw cup before doing it. 200 new rules but they want it to be faster without injury
The Rule has always been there it’s just that they’re now enforcing it. Just like Rugby Union. If it’s high and intentional it’s a red card. Un-intentional or mitigating factors it’s a yellow. Coaches/players know about it.
want the game to be faster but the bunker can over rule any call the ref makes.
Kent shat his pants once Ikin stuck up for Buzz lmao. Theres a reason he only ever played one game. This is golden hahahaha.
Kenty is a legend
Kent is a muppet
Buzz has no good input every don’t even know why he is on the show tbh
@@danielkelly4487 Buzz had great points. Kent just likes to be a dick for the sake of stirring Buzz up. Him and Hooper both laughed once he got a bit angry.
He's a nonce journalist.
@@andy_2901 buzz gets most of he’s facts wrong most of the time he just throws mud at the wall and hope something sticks
These aren’t new rules it been a rule since the start you can’t tackle someone in the head
Kent contradicts himself he’s saying the players need to be protected but a few weeks ago he was calling for the biff to come back 🤨🤨 he and Hooper are hopeless. Why wasn’t Kaufusi suspended for his blatant head high on Corey Norman? I guess Norman was in the wrong for not staying down and milking it... R.I.P. NRL
They mean something different when they say “biff” - “Biff” means let the players have their blowups and melees instead of becoming grubby and dirty because they’re agitated.
@@imalwaysright yeah what happens when one player gets knocked out from the biff and suffers a concussion lol. This weekends football was an absolute disgrace they haven’t just ruined Magic Round, they have ruined Rugby League
@@SubZero-zm3yh I don’t agree rugby league is ruined. They’ve gone OTT on enforcement. They should have properly enforced the rules from start of season. However, fair point about the biff.
Players and coaches have been testing the boundaries of the rules for ages and didn’t adjusted their tackling because NRL enforcement had been soft. They knew they could get away with it. The NRL should’ve had balls earlier. Magic Round was a deliberate over-correction to force change. The NRL should reward good tackling, even if that means a slower play the ball. They should make some leeway for accidental high shots. They can still award a penalty even if it was accidental.
Average winning margin 20.7 points. That's how the round was ruined. If they are serious about player safety, they should be managing Tedesco out of the game or educating him on how to not fall into tackles. They need common sense. What happened to careless, reckless or intentional?
I'm with you on this one
Tedesco and Munster are master in falling in tackles
So you want to bring in a send off for ducking as well?
and players that fall into tackles like teddy, munster and looks papenhausen is joining the act - should be given a yellow card for failing their duty of care and putting their head in dangerous position. It will become a tactic of the coaches to play for penalties to reduce the opposition to 12 or 11 or worse.
@@peterbulloch4328 very much so my friend
You guys have so much instant agitation towards each other lol
It's a debate show: that's the point.
its put on
@@Br0wnCh3 this mob are fuckn hilarious
Four morons that should hate each other.. everyone else does
Assuming this blitz continues, Origin can only go two ways
1. Zero intensity, lacklustre game as all players are fearful of getting thrown in the bin.
2. We end up with half the players on the field in the bin or sent off and the game in a shamble
Origin has been dead for years.
Or their is complete hypocrisy from the NRL and the referees because of course SOO is the pinnacle of our game and the show piece of the sport n they don't want to damage that - I reckon we will see the hypocrisy come out
@@shiiiiiiiiiiiizzzzzzzzz yep, it's not the same game anymore
Can someone please tell Kenty that the tackle he is saying is perfect from that south player is TERRIBLE, head wrong position asking to be knocked out
And other than head position in 6 weeks when we have good hit n drive tackles we will have a crackdown from NRL and Kenty - n they will be whinging about lifting in tackles
8:00 Kenty doesn't understand what kills sports. In Australia Basketball isn't professional because of no fans yet high participation, soccer as well ( yeh I said it's not professional) and Union is barely hanging on
Soccer and basketball are the richest, most successful sports in the world bruh
@@imalwaysright not here bro
Union will never run out of money lmao. That's old money right there.
@@jasonaus3551 Australia is a small market. What league makes in Australia is like zero compared to soccer and basketball worldwide
Comparing Australian Basketball and A League to NRL and AFL in Australia is like comparing the American Soccer League to the NFL and NBA , not all sports are as big as the others no matter who played for it , NRL and AFL are the biggest and oldest Australia sports it will never be conquered ,
Kent just yells at his coworkers to get his point across. Buzz and ikin are classy the way they stay calm...
Legs tackle can be more dangerous for the defender catching knees and hips to the head
Hahaha players practice the legs tackle since juniors lol if you can't get your head in the right place then get back to the training paddock mate
The only problem I can see with it is like tedesco is players will start ducking into tackles to get penilties or players sent off...
You actually think tedesco ducks into shoulders to get penalties? Are you thick?
@@Jp-do9ny did I say that... No but smart coaches will find a way to exploit it just like the did grapple tackle etc to think they won't is thick it gives them a clear advantage... Moraly you hope they wouldn't I'm not meaning they are going to go out and dive into tackles... Tedesco has been called out on way he runs into tackles and that's just his style not his fault but it does leave him open to geting head nicks because he's dropping into tackles
Apparently the NRL just bought the rights to Sarcastaball from Trey Parker and Matt Stone for next season
If they want to get rid of high tackles and be as hard on it as they are then they need to get rid of the six again call which no one wants.Even the fittest players are out on their feet so of course more mistakes are going to happen
I definitely want the 6 again it’s made for a more exciting product
daniel kelly yeah I agree but that’s why they need to settle down with the whole high tackle thinf
@@thelastword9594 it’s more a concussion issue more then anything and they need to stop it or it’ll end up like the nrl with law suits and the game doesn’t have the money to decide that
@@thelastword9594 I think the one rule I disagree with so far is if the ball gets kicked it’s a play the ball I think it should be a scrum to reward game managing halves to give he’s team a rest
daniel kelly yeah I’m all for that
That Brisbane one at the beginning was a bit soft
As a Brisbane supporter I was fine with Tyson Gamble, because Tyson Gamble had been warned twice already for doing the same thing, and then did it again, which led to him getting sin bin I can live with that.
@@outlawrip-offartist4161 Im a supporter that when my team does something wrong im happy to say it out loud and not make poor excuses. For example, im a Parra supporter, the (Dylan) Brown and Niukore incidents were OBVIOUSLY sin bins. The fact they didnt see them was an outrage and to be honest the roosters would have won.....knowing Parra
@@wareproduction8779 Tbh i dont mind that they are cracking down on high tackles but other than that i would have to agree.
You can see the difference between the coaches that were much more measured, nuanced and insightful with their comments (Craig, Wayne, Robbo) and those that were negative and whiny (Ricky, Baz). It’s no surprise which teams are at the top and which teams are at the bottom. Ricky Stuart is a flog. No wonder Canberra is a mess.
Gamble did nothing wrong. His a small bloke being targeted so he tried to put his body on the line and to save a try. Not even that high
The games are being decided by arbitrary calls, half of which are results of innocuous contact.
If the NRL don't crack down on head highs they will be potentially facing massive compensation payouts. This all follows the NFL findings and is why Rugby got so tough on head highs, based on their legal advice. It has the potential to bring the NRL to its knees financially if they can't demonstrate they have done enough to reduce the risk..
They’d have to have a brain cell to understand this point.
@@imalwaysright Yes.. Many just don't seem to get it.....The NFL already has a class action settlement that is expected to cost them around 1 Billion US dollars.. Overseas class actions are also being prepared in both rugby and league. So when PV talks about the threat to the game's future existence, while he doesn't specifically mention litigation, that's probably the real threat
Buzz needs to head high Kenty. That’d be magic 👍
Why?
Tempting if you just talk over the top of people. Hoops is just as bad. Experts that clearly never played the game. I actually don't like any of them, bunch of children who just seem to talk louder and can't agree. It's not a crime to disagree, just do it respectfully but I guess intelligence is lacking with this group.
They need to get up and push the tables over and start getting in to a biff
Papalii wasn't a send off lol penalty sufficient lol no swinging motion but he should expect only 2 weeks for his hit but yeah player's should go one on one nice hard dumping legs tackles
You can’t enforce such heavy rule changes so early in the season and expect players to get it right straight away. It’s nonsense and quite frankly unfair on the players and teams. The biggest blow is when these players are getting sent off for soft penalties. 2 teams over the weekend were left with 11 players on the field for crying out loud I bet half the viewers didn’t finish watching. Yes I agree with the crackdown but fk me dead leave them on the field. The only send off that was warranted for me was ese ese
what fan poll are they talking about.. where are these posted?
How does everyone not see how blatantly players are throwing the shoulder into their opposition with the intent of hitting high. Its like the shoulder charge got banned and every coach went straight to the definition of what is considered a shoulder charge and then modelled tackling on the most lethal version they could fit outside that definition.
Next year they will be throwing swinging closed fists to the ribs because that's all that be will aloud haha
That would require braincells to conjure up a logical opinion like that.
Have you seen the comments? Mostly trolls and lacking honesty and intellect.
He said the NFL has gotten rid of helmet to helmet contact... he obviously doesn't watch it 😂
So true.
Some of the send offs where soft, if this is the new standard say good bye to rugby league. Every time a poor decision is made, air leaves the room. I am so glad I kept my money in my pocket.
If you want to bring in faster football and safer for players then bring in unlimited interchange and scrap the 6 again rule
What about the players with the ball that drop their bodys going into the tackles? James tadesco
Ten minute teddy
Milkmaid Tedesco
Why was Matt Cecchin
punished? He told the Bunker, 'check the knees!'
there was multiple decisions that game, and also take into account the amount of blunders that moronic joke of a ref has made in his career
btw not the first time he has been "benched"
Worst round of football I’ve seen since that terrible period about 12-13 years ago where the video ref kept calling everything obstructions.
The games were near unwatchable.
The Dragons v Storm game was super exciting even with one man off.
Eels v Warriors was good too
Love that this comes up with Kenty saying you cant tackle hard anymore, when people have been binned and charged for causing whiplash due to hard tackling. Wonder if his stance has changed on this point
Kent is a deadset dropkick. I get why he’s come around so quickly though. He did say that players and ex players are the last to come around, and you can’t say he was ever much of a player 😂
If players make mistakes while being fatigued they will be punished for it. What is the point Buzz is making
There were alot of the send offs as a fan I'm glad they are cracking down on. But this completely ignored the bullshit calls that were a joke. How the hell are you supposed to not touch the head in the Teddy one? He lost his balance and went head first into the defender. So players can go around head butting defenders with absurdly low centre of gravity looking for send offs now?
Players are getting suspensions for weeks and missing games when they are usually done by accident. Game has gone so soft because commentators like use ruin our game! If I see another 15 send bins again I’m telling you I’m not watching nrl again until it’s back to the tough days when we can throw punches, put on big hits and watch out team go
All out!!!
If NRL is so serious about player safety why are all players not required to wear headgear?
Headgears do nothing to prevent concussions and injuries mate.
The new rules are spoiling the game I love.
It’s always “inconsistency” with Rothfield. The bloke lives in fantasy land where referees never make errors, penalty counts and six agains are always equal every single game, and every game is close and goes to golden point. Consistently.
Game got too fast, too much attack with 6 to go rule creates sloppy tired defence and high tackles gone wrong trying to wrap the ball up. Blow out scores will be the new normal, not rugby league any more, just glorified oztag.
Explain Fuimaono clocking Papahuyzen in the 11th minute, or Ese’ese hitting To’o on the chin less than 2 minutes after coming on. Were they too fatigued ? Was it too much attack ?
@@WTBob2005 yeh those two thugs had brain fades.
It's called touch football !
Kenty: without fans there's no nrl
I think it's the late hit on players after the ball has been passed that is more the issue, it's a dog act and the NRL has been soft on it for ever. A lot of the high shots are careless and the players need to change but I believe they have sped the game up too much, you can't have the big heavy collisions and a super fast game as well, the accidents will keep happening.
The new 6 again restart is too much.
Hooper is the biggest muppet in leauge
V'landys knew what he was doing, chose a high profile round to send the message. He's no Mug.
I remember all the fanboys praising him when he took swift, drastic measures to save NRL during corona. He was “the man”, “a legend”, “a saviour”. Now, they hate him 😂😂😂😂😂
Is it gonna be touch footy?
Paul Kent, how can you lower your tackle an inch in the split of a second? How do you know what the player carrying the ball is gonna do? I have been someone who had more concussions doing low around the chest tackles or legs tackles because the player carrying the ball accidentally hit me with an elbow or came up with a knee to my head. So how do you expect players to adjust? It's like taking the kicking out of kickboxing.
Could just be me, but it seems like the result of every rule change since V’Landys got in has/will result in more tries. More tries = more ads = more money from TV deals. Just my opinion, but I don’t think it’s a coincidence...
Kenty saying nfl have changed there tackling style so there’s no head contact maybe he should watch a game there always calling helmet to helmet contact and that rule has been in the nfl for 5 yrs now. There tackle style hasn’t changed
I’m still waiting for the play the ball crackdown implemented in 2018
MUST USE THE 🦶🏻 FOOT!!
2 months later back to roll ball AGAIN!!
Fuckn JOKE
Don't know how the other 3 can comment if they have never played the game before
Simple fix to bring back the legs tackle I was taught through juniors count to three and get up it gives plenty of time to get a line set there will be a clear cut rule of how long you can stay in the tackle. It will bring back players fighting for the quick play the ball rather than milking a penalty in the ruck
Legs tackle can be very dangerous for the defender, quite often you see defenders copping it to the head from collisions with the attackers hip
Also, in todays game, you can't bring it back, because of the offload, the restart tackle set, in the wrestling eras.
@@damosanchex most intelligent comment here. With the speed and fatigue there is no team that could do legs tackles that won't be flogged by 50. Yes I'd love to see legs tackles but inside your own 20 every set would be a try.
Happy to see changes to the rules but the frequency of changes has resulted in most games just not being enjoyable to watch anymore. Hopefully the NRL get there in the end with how they want the game to be played but at the moment the game lacks entertainment and is at best frustrating to watch
Kenty needs taking of that panel and hoops needs replacing to. Shouting over each other and at an old man trying to get his point across absolute joke. And the way they are sin binning for head contact is going to kill the game and make players constantly dive low as they get tackled. It's going to cause more injuries
I was more outraged by Wighton trying to end old mates career.
As a Manly fan I honestly think Tyson Gamble's tackle on Reuben Garrick was worthy of nothing more than a penalty at best. 10 for that was soft.
And can someone explain how Moses Leota's hit in the Titans vs Panther's game was only worth 10, yet almost the very same tackle later in the game by Herman Ese'ese was worthy of a send-off.
Banning the offload would help achieve the goal. Also ban the fast play the ball - have to wait till the player is at marker. But the rule changes are also about 'faster, more exciting game'. So should we be questioning the sincerity of those wanting to protect the players if they also want such a fast paced exciting game. Slow the game down and you'll get less head high tackles.
It wasn’t ruined
I’m sick and tired of these new rules. These six agains are causing players to become fatigued and were seeing a lot of blow up games which is highly unwatchable. These sin bins/sent-offs are getting out of hand. I can understand vlandys saying we should focus on player welfare, but he doesn’t realise that rugby league is a contact sport. Accidents are going to happen. That josh papalli one wasn’t a send off. Honestly, where’s the consistency? It’s not the game I loved growing up as a kid who loved the physicality. Might as well call is National Touch League.
Zero tackle, quick play balls etc., are recipe for fatigue.
It is embarrassing for the sport. Concussion is only going to be more prevalent with this bullshit edict of just saying just tackle lower. You cant. You are going to have 8 concussions a game. Players are too skilled with footwork at the last second and too damn big to say just tackle lower. It is an out of touch remark from people that are out of touch with the athletes of today
Buzz, you are the man and you smoked kenty lol.
The knock out blow was when you brought up he wanted the biff back just last year lol...
Love this show
The players doing the illegal high tackles are simply scared of getting hurt when they do a lower tackle
No its to stop the offload aswell you cant go low every tackle when the attackers hands are free to offlaod the ball.
And more of a chance getting a quicker play-the-ball when tackling lower also.
I flew up for magic round. I have loved rugby league from when I was a little kid, and never thought I’d say this but I was honestly bored watching the games on the weekend. It became a joke with fans in the crowd that players would be binned. With the injuries and bunker decisions the game was slower than ever. Sometimes looking at the clock and seeing 20 mins left you knew it would take 35+ to actually finish.
What they are doing to our game is abominable. The nrl is most PR sensitive organisation I know of. Any criticism and they resort to ad hoc, non-strategic decisions. PVL - sort it out
You can’t reward a legs tackle. I don’t know how you could? The only way is if the player playing the ball must wait until the legs tackler gets back to marker but then that person could take his time getting up which would be another way of slowing the play the ball down.
Kenty - "Fans have to come around as well" umm no fans no game yeah?
Please. Most people are grown and can see why change is being made and aren’t triggered. Unless you’re saying all fans are knuckleheads?
@@imalwaysright no mate, all fans know the difference between what should be sin binned and what shouldn't. Tyson Gamble got sent for a tackle where the player getting tackled was yelling at the ref during the tackle. How the hell is that a sin bin? The player isn't affected to the point of being disadvantaged or being unable to play the ball anymore. If in the tackle you are telling the ref the tackler should be binned, thats not worthy of a sin bin then.
@@bellingdog I agree the Gamble call was dubious and harsh. If people didn’t talk in extremes, they’d see a lot more shared opinions. Unfortunately the NRL deliberately went extreme last weekend to send a signal. Consequently, some calls were harsh and excessive.
Due respect to Kenty but I don’t have to come around
I can stay or go
How many Games did Kenty play ??
Why do at Magic round he says.... answer..All 16 teams technically together over 1 weekend, no arguments...
Also If this was left till the next round or later he would be moaning that this should of started back at magic round and not left a week later.
Cant win with some it seems.
The players know how they should tackle, but these things have crept in and been left for far too long.
All eye's on this round compared other round's they wouldn't do it in indigenous round because it's more sacred so I guess it was a set up to get eyes and views on the NRL and rugby league is it good.. hmm next year was the time to implement it smh just dumb
Totally disagree, how do you prevent an attacker falling into your shoulder.
Destroying the game, in a lot of the games the sent off and 10 of the minutes made the games not competitive. Its not enjoyable to watch. You bring the 6 again rules that make players more tired and then blame players to make poor tackle under Fatigue. The tackle on Aaron woods was sent to be a great tackle a couple of years and now you get 10 minutes for it. You need to make safety but at the same time it's a contract sport where people are running at each other.
Looking forward to the sin bins this week.. make your bets now.
Rewarding leg tackles?... This ain't under 5's here Kenty.
I don’t mind the refs actually enforcing the rules. What I object to is coaches such as Robinson having a tantrum about it and dictating terms to the league because of his clubs standings where parramatta lost a key player in Matterson for 6 weeks with a much more serious injury from an offensive tackle. They need to stop protecting “key” players and protect every players welfare
obviously a grub Parramatta supporter.
Herman's was the only tackle that deserved a send off. Every other was marginal. Its getting ridiculous. Pap and Teddy were falling toward the ground before contact, what are tacklers meant to do at that split second?
Wrong. Teddy was unfair - I’ll give you that one. The Papz one - Dragons player was always aiming above the neck. That illegal hit was always gonna happen. Btw, players are actually allowed to step and duck when on the attack. League has never been a game of holding the ball and running completely upright into the defence.
@@imalwaysright aiming above the neck because he was dropping towards the ground. Your comment about being able to step and avoid the tackle is exactly my point, defenders have to drop more than 20cms or more in a split second to avoid a dangerous tackle. I think you'd understand better if you actually played which is why we need more ex players as refs
@@hmmahlahbahhhhhhhhhhhh2123 but you can’t aim above the neck, and he was always aiming there. That’s been the rule forever.
@@imalwaysright 🤦🏽♂️ bro, just stop
Buzz just doesn't bother to hide the all-day drinking now, does he?
Common sense when your fatigued your going to make mistakes Kenty ya flop. So with a faster game is going to bring that out.
They have to look carefully at players milking it n player getting ready to tackle n he moves in a different direction coz der no way out of it
If the NRL left this game alone, instead of trying to speed it up for TV, everyone including the players, coaches, fans, media and administrators would be better off. Referee to the rules of the game. Encourage tackling around the legs rather than locking up the ball. What rubbish this game has become.
Not the same sport anymore, V'landys and Abdo need to leave the game alone, first you speed the game up to the speed of lightning then wonder why tired players are doing sloppy tackles and getting injured more, so instead of fixing that issue you just add more rules to the tackle, bloody clueless.
Vlandys is good
Abdo is a pencil pusher 😂
@@Alekosdw V'landys is the reason we are in this mess, the media suck up to him, but he is way too trigger happy with the rules.
@@DabDabGoose an abdo has absolutely no idea how the game is played
@@Alekosdw I know that but V'landys is the one making these changes and he is fucking clueless.
When a players forward progress stops and they have 2 defenders hanging off them call held immediately...refs dont call held quick enough...invites the 3rd player in to make the legs tackle, slows the ruck down, and the play the ball....forward progress stops "Scream HELD, Play the ball" will also stop injuries from 2 or 3 guys driving one 80-100kg player backwards crashing into the ground in a mass of arms and legs with 250- 300kgs coming down on top of them. HELD, PLAY IT, RELEASE HIM.....fuckin simples.
Typical of the media, wanting the game played their way.
If you’re fatigued then don’t play.
Better safe then sorry. Rugby league in 2021 is a sport that requires fitness levels to be at its best on game day. If you’re unable to give 100% during a game then why play at all ?
A new rule that prevents players from a long term brain injury shouldn’t be an excuse for poor performance. Look at Penrith and Melbourne. These players just work on progressing their skill and fitness, so when a new rule comes in they can adjust themselves accordingly to perform well on game day. Titians defence on the weekend was shocking, hence why they gave away a lot of opportunities when Penrith was down a 1 player.
Some players are unfit and lazy with their defence. It’s easier to go high. Some are grubby - ain’t got the talent to be a skilled player.
%100
Almost every collision will give you some sort of concussion. Even if you don’t get knocked out/pass out you still get some sort of head injury.. it’s a contact sport this will happen. Just imagine a boxer or ufc fighter getting shaky legs and them stopping the fight..
this is incredible,
when they
(the powers that be)
are saying that the game won't survive in 10 - 15 years if we don't defeat the concussion,
the truth is...
they are not exaggerating,
former players loved ones are seeking litigation advice on financial recompense for the possible lack of care to players welfare thru a 1-3 year window period prior to the current leadership.
(ie. knowing that concussions could/can lead to a deterioration in the quality of life,
and failed to take ALL possible actions within their power,
eg; Strongly enforcing the laws/rules of the game,
tackles/contact above the sholders)
now,
I do not blame those families for investigating this route,
remember these are sons, brothers, husbands and Dads,
that can't remember why they walked into a room,
or look blankly at someone and get embarrassed because they forget what they're talking about...
(remember not all players are paid $1,000,000 a year)
the reality is,
if the NRL are found to have been lacking in the duty of care during that period they could face a multi-million dollar lawsuit,
now if that was to happen,
could the game survive?
yes,
maybe...
(remember,
less than 12 months ago,
covid-19 revealed that the NRL's war chest was empty)
but if the NRL is found liable,
the clubs could also be called into question...
and if a club has failed to do everything in their power for a players duty of care,
now that would hurt the game we love...
If one club is guilty,
all clubs are...
and game can not survive that.
now,
some will say that the NRL are just looking out for their own pocket and interests,
some will say that's just tuff luck,
you know risks when you sign a contract...
but the truth is...
everyone has the right to go home in the same condition as they arrived at work.
and...
The NRL has identified and placed the player's welfare as its number one priority.
and if that is not enforced
we won't have a game.
*remember,
I'm not a reporter,
and I have absolutely no credibility,
I just listen to those who speak with credibility and from experience form my own opinion...
bring on %100 Footy
Then make it like the NFL and wear proper head gear. Make head gear mandatory. They want the toughness but expect players to be supermen. I have no problem with people doing litigation but if you think rules will stop people getting knocked out you are dreaming. Someone will always do a stupid head high tackle
💯
Facts mean nothing to the trolling and triggered.
thank you for your comments...
agreed,
in the heat of battle mind farts can and do occur,
myself,
I am guilty of them when I played.
yes headgear,
mouth guards and neck braces,
are all available for players to utilise for personal safety.
they are not compulsory because that is the country we live in,
hard,
with the freedom of choice.
but the problem that the NRL is facing is not that players are being
concussed just because of high tackles alone,
(head injuries can occur from any number of accidents on the field as several former players have said)
the problem is that information about concussions being bad,
was released and made available more than 5 years ago.
the HIA was introduced 2018?
and prior to this,
players were placed on report for contact to the head and remained on the field,
then come time of the disciplinary action,
the NRL had/has a loading system that allows a player to play the following week without penalty,
not to mention that clubs would spend thousands on QBE to defend others.
This does not sound like a sport that has taken immediate actions to reduce Preventable head contacts
(the 1-3 year window)
(yes,
not all concussions are from high contact,
but we can have a direct effect on the number of concussions from high contact by encouraging players to change their on-field behaviour thru punishment and corrective training)
In short,
the NRL are trying to stop/minimise concussions they have the direct ability to prevent or at the very least deter.
Went to the MR games, all the sin-bins ruined the games and the weekend. Thought NRL was a game for tough guys, saw more dives than the olympic games
I'm with buzz, I hate these so called crackdowns if they were permanent that would be one thing, but they get brought up randomly based in public opinion
Kenty actually makes the strongest points , with hoops second in this clip...hate to admit
Ok Kentys mum
I know! Never have been in so much agreement with both of them. They’re usually flogs, especially Hoops 💀
Paul Kent once again has no idea.
Make ALL players wear head gear and shoulder pads which absorb most of the hits to assist reducing the risk of injuries... also in future if tackling at the body and players start saying their organs are failing due to the big hits of playing football or ribs crack and puncture a lung where do they go then? Only tackling the legs? And new rule no offloads if defending player is touching you?.... game is becoming soooo different and it's where it is headed.. no pun intended
Game is done. Kent is not understanding that fans are the most important thing is the fans and it’s declining. Anyways game is done for me 👍
That isn’t a send off
Kenty is spot on!
kenty, im not coming around to it, im just not going to be a fan of the sport any more.
pretty sad the afl has been the tougher sport for the past decade...they should just start playing netball at this point
Is there any other sport in the world , that debates its rules and rulings as much as Rugby League.
Serious question.
Theyve sped the game up and now players are swinging arms at empty space. Give it time, theyll figure it out..
We got no problem with the crackdown the problem is they are going to far now. And hopper wants them to go further lmao
Kent plays 1 game and thinks he knows everything, players shouldn’t have to change anything about there tackling style it’s rugby league not touch footy harden up the crackdown is ridiculous and isn’t needed