Final Results: 98 Kills, +$500000, +same day delivery package, +15 possible, +prank, +about 30 people for the trolley exploding +Erics Pride +Long Game +children
"There are not loot boxes, there are no kill streaks, there is nothing you gain from killing people." 10 seconds later "A trolley is heading towards a mystery box . . ." 10 more seconds later "wait there's a kill count?"
I like how someone in chat during PointCrow's villain arc said "YOU KILL STEALER" no amount of (or lack thereof) free will is gonna stop Eric's chat from being enjoyers of murder, especially murdering families of four
Fun fact, the Trolley Problem is actually created by a lack of failsafes in the brake system, meaning a lack of management on the part of the trolley line company! Meaning your choice means nothing as it's not your fault people are going to die. To expound, the trolley should have brakes. If the brakes are not pulled, or there is nobody to pull them, it's the conductor's fault. If the brakes are broken, that means it's the fault of whoever let the brakes fail a safety check. That's not even getting into why there are people on the track in the first place. This is a very abridged version of a Tumblr post I saw talking about it.
Passing thought, I wonder if chat would have voted any differently if you directly involved them by saying "For everything that dies in the trolley problem, a random person is banned from chat".
I like how the first problem is like "Get involved and reduce the total kill count or let more people die?" and chat is like "MAXIMIZE KILL COUNT!" Then a bunch of the problems after that are like "Here's the same thing, but now there is an extra incentive to let more people die." And it changes nothing because chat already wanted more people to die anyway.
I wonder If they know what to do if there's 120 good people if I do nothing or 1 murderer if you pull but, you only get the FORTNITE battle pass if you kill the murderer.
I love how Eric never realized how much of chat was just picking the right option because “it’s the right option! Wouldn’t want to pick the wrong one!”
Twitch chat doesn't have a high KD ratio. They're clearly perfectly willing to kill themselves in addition to all of their other victims. So really, they just have a very large number of both kills and deaths, so the ratio is rather unremarkable.
Thank you for continuing to make such great content even with the restrictions from Nintendo. It can't be easy and we appreciate your determination and dedication
As someone who is currently playing the ace attorney trilogy I really appreciate your choice of music here. I can’t remember if you did this before or not
I want their twitch chats to compete for a higher kill count in some dumb game (like Scribblenauts Unlimited, if any paid donations and/or things enough people type have to be spawned in), while Doug and Eric just try to speedrun the game.
1:11 As I said, chat wants to up their kill count. They want to make big number go bigger. The editing on the video is S tier! Thanks for another amazing video Eric!
I was today years old when I learned that chat is indeed not a bunch of copypastas, but a cult gathering of mass murders who love money. Oh, and the deaths need to be slow and painful. None of that quickly ripping the bandaid stuff.
5:40 "I love your content Crow, you really put the laughter in mаnslаughter" By far the best moment of this entire stream, that joke is just way too good
2:49 Rest in peace to those five people, they must have not gotten collectors anxiety in huge open world rpgs where there is so much to do and so much to grab but they're just wondering if that one item that they pick up was the only item of its kind.
With this trolly problem, the best option is usually to call the cops and not touch the lever. That way you will be able to dodge most of the lawsuits, and the crazy people who tied up others to the railway will not be associated with you. I need a real lawyer here to confirm my words, if possible.
I think the collective thought (as shown by chat) of not wanting to get involved thus leaving you only morally culpable and not directly responsible is what most people feel but would never express directly, that or chat think it was a funny answer
The trolly question is one of the most bull moral quandaries I've ever seen created. Its a damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of scenario that just goes to show that morality is way more complicated than binary/black and white scenarios. If you don't involve yourself, you just let 5 people die and if you do involve yourself, you basically killed someone and put a value on life through sacrificing the one to save the many. I say F it. We are all trying our best on this mudball we call home and this moral quandary has no right answer. Any choice you make is the right choice if it follows your conscience at the time, moral implications be damned. The idea that moral philosophy can find a "right" answer in this scenario or any scenario like it is ludicrous. (The real right answer outside that bubble is to try and stop the trolley in some way, like pull the lever center so that the trolley actually collides with the fork in the tracks, jam the trolleys wheels, etc. Many real world scenarios aren't entirely binary in nature and we can come up with solutions beyond the most obvious or immediate.)
Hi, rail buff here. Multi track is three or more tracks. Dual track is this situation. This has been a PSA that will never help anyone ever. Cheers. PS Keep lit, PointCrow.
That depends on how you classify the "right" or "wrong" options, for example in this case chat wasnt actually killing nor harming anyone, in fact maximizing killcount is hilarious and would lead to a more entertaining experience to watchers of the stream ans video, being arguably the best option since its the one with the best outcome. I believe anonymity only starts to make people to choose the worse option when they are bound to lose something if they best one, and since anonymity shields them from social loses then they choose the worst option, but the difference in reason its quite significant, not choosing the right answer for benefits is bad but its way better than not choosing it just because, with no apparent reason
I'm just remembering the Ultimate Trolly Problem my friend Theo made. Basically it's the trooly problem but you can do anything you want and no matter what you do Theo comes up with a bullcrap way to say that everyone is dead UNLESS you try to kill evryone.
Pointcrow: tries his best to make the chat understand that they do not have to go for a high kill count, and that there is no kill count in the game Game: shows the kill count at the end
Chat GPT's response to this question, for what it's worth: As an AI language model, I do not have personal beliefs or values, but I can present you with a range of ethical theories and considerations that have been proposed in response to this classic ethical dilemma. One ethical theory that could be applied in this scenario is utilitarianism, which emphasizes maximizing overall happiness or well-being. According to this theory, the ethical choice would be to divert the trolley to the track with one person, as this would result in the least amount of harm overall. However, other ethical theories, such as deontology or virtue ethics, may not support the utilitarian approach. For instance, a deontologist might argue that killing even one person is inherently wrong, regardless of the consequences. A virtue ethicist might focus on the character and intentions of the person making the decision, rather than the outcomes. Ultimately, the decision is a personal and moral one, and individuals may have different views on what the ethical course of action is. It is important to consider the implications and consequences of any decision and to act in accordance with one's own values and ethical principles.
Fun fact: every person PointCrow killed was part of a family of 5, making those families all families of 4, later killed because of Eric's actions, meaning he actually killed 490 people.
2:22 this is also an experiment in: Mindfield People tend to choose more empathetic options after being told such stuff Mindfield is Made by Vsauce (Not that typeG)
new merch available at www.pointcrow.shop btw :)
Banana.
2nd
Banana.
Banana.
banana.
So now we know why a group of crows is called a murder
Just started watching, this is definitely a good sign.
ok so like this comment wins clearly
This needs top comment
@@JonathonMarston that confused me so hard
This comment is legit the best pun I've seen in a while
Final Results: 98 Kills, +$500000, +same day delivery package, +15 possible, +prank, +about 30 people for the trolley exploding +Erics Pride +Long Game +children
+near infinite future children
Don't forget +2 Eric's Pride. Or support. Whichever one.
+ long game
+ Erik's pride
+ kill for the planet
The sheer change of tone from him going insane to, “wait there’s a kill count?”
"There are not loot boxes, there are no kill streaks, there is nothing you gain from killing people." 10 seconds later "A trolley is heading towards a mystery box . . ." 10 more seconds later "wait there's a kill count?"
I like how someone in chat during PointCrow's villain arc said "YOU KILL STEALER"
no amount of (or lack thereof) free will is gonna stop Eric's chat from being enjoyers of murder, especially murdering families of four
Eric trying to get chat to do the morally right thing really gives off
"OH NO A MAN HAS FELL OVERBOARD IN LEGO CITY" vibes
yes so true lmfao
😂😂😂😂
It's like he's the big or whatever trying to convince Jack Horner to be a good person
@DarkCoreX that made me laugh more then it should of. Lmao
A man has fallen for a man in Lego City.
Fun fact, the Trolley Problem is actually created by a lack of failsafes in the brake system, meaning a lack of management on the part of the trolley line company! Meaning your choice means nothing as it's not your fault people are going to die. To expound, the trolley should have brakes. If the brakes are not pulled, or there is nobody to pull them, it's the conductor's fault. If the brakes are broken, that means it's the fault of whoever let the brakes fail a safety check. That's not even getting into why there are people on the track in the first place. This is a very abridged version of a Tumblr post I saw talking about it.
Truly, big trolley is to blame.
critical lack of trolley regulations smh my head
The op is 🤓
A train can rarely stop in time to avoid hitting something unless it was already going slowly and spot the obstacle from a distance.
@@henryfrfr god i did not fucking ASKK
Passing thought, I wonder if chat would have voted any differently if you directly involved them by saying "For everything that dies in the trolley problem, a random person is banned from chat".
honestly they might have just done the same lmao
banned is a bit much, maybe muted for 30 minutes would be better
@@sillytduckthats too light, being banned from twitch permanently should do the trick though!
@@minecraftdude1338 Still too light. Eric comes to your house and breaks your legs
@@FaeMasquerade shoots both legs
I like how the first problem is like "Get involved and reduce the total kill count or let more people die?" and chat is like "MAXIMIZE KILL COUNT!" Then a bunch of the problems after that are like "Here's the same thing, but now there is an extra incentive to let more people die." And it changes nothing because chat already wanted more people to die anyway.
_"We're nothing if not patient."_ Also:
_"I need that same day delivery!"_
best comment XD
Came here to say this
I’m convinced twitch chat can make the best decisions possible no matter what
I wonder If they know what to do if there's 120 good people if I do nothing or 1 murderer if you pull but, you only get the FORTNITE battle pass if you kill the murderer.
I would trust Twitch Chat with my taxes.
I'd trust them with my life as long as there is a group of people nearby that is tied to the tracks
Twitch chat will always make the statistically worst choice possible, therefore doing the exact opposite is the morally correct thing.
@@Ri5olu D O N O T H I N G
Imagine being in this situation IRL and your fate is up to Twitch Chat who just want the highest K/D💀
even if they kill me, i can still lower their K/D a bit
Well if they wanted highest k/d they shouldnt have chosen to kill their 5 clones
@@nobodyinparticular968 😳
simple, just make sure you’re alone
Who said there's a K/D. Only K's for twitch chat.
I love how Eric never realized how much of chat was just picking the right option because “it’s the right option! Wouldn’t want to pick the wrong one!”
Omg yes lmao
XD
also I'm pretty sure we won the lootbox for the 10% chance of ten people lmao
Pretty sure they just wanted to get as most kills as possible.
"Oh no Pointcrow! A trolley is heading towards a family of 4!" *Watch them die.*
Crow doesn't have to read the question, Chats just gonna go for the option that kills more people
chat: "we're nothing if not patient"
also chat: "Not my same day delivery! >:("
also also chat: "instant gratification"
Good ol PointCrow happily committing heinous decisions for the funnies
Nah it was his chat
not much difference
I love how Pointcrow is letting his chat solve moral dilemmas while he is watching with a family of four
bro really put the laughter in manslaughter
@@mammothflood1326I read this as "man's laughter"
3:50
Am I a horrible person for laughing at the trolley's whistle because I mentally heard it say "BATMAAAAN!"?
I would like this if ur name wasnt animeboyIanpower
Alternative title: Chat causes casualties with trolleys.
We trust twitch chat. KD ratio of millions
Higher KD = Less witnesses
@@Eric007 yessir
@@Eric007 yass
Twitch chat doesn't have a high KD ratio. They're clearly perfectly willing to kill themselves in addition to all of their other victims. So really, they just have a very large number of both kills and deaths, so the ratio is rather unremarkable.
@@TheBlueWizzrobe future children counted too… so in the millions
Man Pointcrow really puts the laughter in manslaughter
Best part of the video
NAWW
Personally I would have let the trolley run in circles for eternity, think of the carbon emissions.
Yeah, but also all of the carbon was instantaneously released in the explosion. Also any nearby trees were demolished.
yep because if the passengers ever tried to make new generations under the trolley they would eventually die too so infinite kd count
yeah but what if they flee the trolley
Crow: "Chat will you save 5 people and knowingly kill one or do nothing?"
Chat: *Multi-track drifting ensues*
"we're nothing if not patient" mean while "not my same day delivery"
Yeah but they're using it as a cover up so they can kill them
Did we just turn Pointcrow into a villain using trolley problems?
No such thing as villains.
@@kalamitoRUS oh sorry. Morally Compromised Malfactor
Point crow isn't the problem, it's Twitch Chat that is fir death and destruction.
Yes and I like it.
Oh shit
Thank you for continuing to make such great content even with the restrictions from Nintendo. It can't be easy and we appreciate your determination and dedication
I'm so glad this got made into a video, but I'll be honest, the stream itself was just as fun to watch in it's entirety. It's so good lmao
I would not do anything because if you do something YOU killed that guy, but if you don’t and instead walk by you’re technically not involved.
7:18 They pulled the lever because only real creatures count, not machines
As someone who is currently playing the ace attorney trilogy I really appreciate your choice of music here. I can’t remember if you did this before or not
aggressive_coffee_chugging.mp3
Pointcrow is slowly becoming dougdoug and I support his growth
Can I get a dancefrog in chat?
@@spi231 dancefrog
I want their twitch chats to compete for a higher kill count in some dumb game (like Scribblenauts Unlimited, if any paid donations and/or things enough people type have to be spawned in), while Doug and Eric just try to speedrun the game.
Trolley problem, explained with food-
Very much.
The Trolley Driver may not be a part of the Trolley Problem, but he can dang well be a part of the Trolley Solution.
The fact that this video came out 7 months ago and im watching it for the first time now shows how long it took me to gain my free will.
I have watched this video at least 5 times at this point, but every time it pops up in my feed, I still click on it, because I have free will
1:11 As I said, chat wants to up their kill count. They want to make big number go bigger. The editing on the video is S tier! Thanks for another amazing video Eric!
Crow: I believe in chat for choosing the right options
Chat: killing streaks and numbers are stacking up boys
Also Crow: Chat never made the choices, it was all me
I'm proud of you twitch chat, this brought a tear to my eye seeing them grow up.
This vid had me dying when the chat said explosions are fun
Chat: these people are parents
Crow: exactly!
Chat: we're making orphans, and superheroes are orphans
Crow: no
The "Click This Video Because You Have Free Will" combined with the ending broke me and gave me a breathing problem.
The chat is full of pure evil and chaos and I love it
I was today years old when I learned that chat is indeed not a bunch of copypastas, but a cult gathering of mass murders who love money. Oh, and the deaths need to be slow and painful. None of that quickly ripping the bandaid stuff.
14:36 technically since chat voted for the right option, we did have a choice
As someone who doesn’t do best friends, I see this as an absolute win
5:40 "I love your content Crow, you really put the laughter in mаnslаughter"
By far the best moment of this entire stream, that joke is just way too good
Agreed
Great comment, 4/4 families of four killed in appreciation.
2:49
Rest in peace to those five people, they must have not gotten collectors anxiety in huge open world rpgs where there is so much to do and so much to grab but they're just wondering if that one item that they pick up was the only item of its kind.
8:30 hitting the brick wall would probably kill more people. Less trolleys means more people taking their cars which will lead to more co2 emissions
With this trolly problem, the best option is usually to call the cops and not touch the lever. That way you will be able to dodge most of the lawsuits, and the crazy people who tied up others to the railway will not be associated with you. I need a real lawyer here to confirm my words, if possible.
+MAURICED
+MULTIKILL X5
+RICOSHOT X4 (some spare money in one of the guys wallet)
+SPLATTERED
I think the collective thought (as shown by chat) of not wanting to get involved thus leaving you only morally culpable and not directly responsible is what most people feel but would never express directly, that or chat think it was a funny answer
It's just funny
its that fake deep bs because chat is a bunch of redditors, in reality you not acting makes you also complicit in the deaths of the 5 people
@@cooltwittertagyou’re not the one who tied them there, nor the idiot who made no breaks
The trolly question is one of the most bull moral quandaries I've ever seen created. Its a damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of scenario that just goes to show that morality is way more complicated than binary/black and white scenarios.
If you don't involve yourself, you just let 5 people die and if you do involve yourself, you basically killed someone and put a value on life through sacrificing the one to save the many.
I say F it. We are all trying our best on this mudball we call home and this moral quandary has no right answer. Any choice you make is the right choice if it follows your conscience at the time, moral implications be damned. The idea that moral philosophy can find a "right" answer in this scenario or any scenario like it is ludicrous.
(The real right answer outside that bubble is to try and stop the trolley in some way, like pull the lever center so that the trolley actually collides with the fork in the tracks, jam the trolleys wheels, etc. Many real world scenarios aren't entirely binary in nature and we can come up with solutions beyond the most obvious or immediate.)
15:10 that's the type of laugh Pointcrow would do after killing a family of 4
Yea
I think legally speaking it’s better to let the five people die by not doing anything, rather than actively killing one person.
9:58 he's boutta get angry at you and he's gonna kill 5 people = 5+
Hi, rail buff here. Multi track is three or more tracks. Dual track is this situation. This has been a PSA that will never help anyone ever.
Cheers.
PS Keep lit, PointCrow.
Chat never dies creating an immeasurable KD proving our infinite power
dude i never thought you would make this a video lol. you def deserved that award at the streamer awards
“Wait there’s a kill count at the bottom?” That sentence got me ascending to heaven😂😂😂😂
I love that chat always picked what they perceive to do the most harm.
8:49 "We're nothing if not patient". Hmmm. Remind me what they chose if their amazon package would've been late?
Death is the future, but the Amazon is now.
10:55 the bad citizen will steal your kills, the chat doesn't realize
Now I wanna see him play The Stanley Parable but chat makes every decision
as a member of DougDoug's twitch chat, I'm very proud of PointCrow's chat
turns out twitch chat just wants to hear people scream
This is definitely not the first time PointCrow spontaneously broke out with a villain monologue.
14:30 And so, the PointCrow villain arc begins…
7:25 i just took a moral philosophy class lol. got an A in it and remember this part of it
Here’s an idea:
Pull the lever and it still kills five people, it just does a sick loopdyloop before
The fact that there was an actual kill count at the end was pretty funny to me😂
yeah pointcrow the fool, thought there wasn't gonna be a killcount, good thing we maxxed it out as much as possible uwu
This is a great example of deindividuation in psychology. Being anonymous when making a decision generally makes people pick the worse option
That depends on how you classify the "right" or "wrong" options, for example in this case chat wasnt actually killing nor harming anyone, in fact maximizing killcount is hilarious and would lead to a more entertaining experience to watchers of the stream ans video, being arguably the best option since its the one with the best outcome.
I believe anonymity only starts to make people to choose the worse option when they are bound to lose something if they best one, and since anonymity shields them from social loses then they choose the worst option, but the difference in reason its quite significant, not choosing the right answer for benefits is bad but its way better than not choosing it just because, with no apparent reason
This is so much more dramatic than it should be, and it's all thanks to the chat!
Morality-cels seething over killmaxxing chads
The chat members are the terminator and those 5 dudes are the important guy that the terminator has to kill. 14:10
My favorite ethical dilemma is telling the barber if I don’t like the cut when they do a bad job
11:50 it's about the kill count, not the torture count.
As someone with no free will, I see this as an absolute win!
I'm just remembering the Ultimate Trolly Problem my friend Theo made. Basically it's the trooly problem but you can do anything you want and no matter what you do Theo comes up with a bullcrap way to say that everyone is dead UNLESS you try to kill evryone.
me: clicks off the video bc i have free will
Pointcrow: tries his best to make the chat understand that they do not have to go for a high kill count, and that there is no kill count in the game
Game: shows the kill count at the end
1:19 chat really missed the opportunity to kill a family of 4
As a Twitch chatter myself, trusting us was the worst possible idea and I am so glad you made that horrible decision
12:31 TAKE THAT RACHEL FROM KINDERGARTEN
TH-cam saying this is the dinosaur game really acts as the icing on the cake.
15:18 What was the point of that? Didn't even get the nuke. :(
I like how this video also allows people to know if they have moral problems if they agree with chat
Happy to see that Chat kept making the right choices. I’m so proud of this community.
Chat GPT's response to this question, for what it's worth:
As an AI language model, I do not have personal beliefs or values, but I can present you with a range of ethical theories and considerations that have been proposed in response to this classic ethical dilemma.
One ethical theory that could be applied in this scenario is utilitarianism, which emphasizes maximizing overall happiness or well-being. According to this theory, the ethical choice would be to divert the trolley to the track with one person, as this would result in the least amount of harm overall.
However, other ethical theories, such as deontology or virtue ethics, may not support the utilitarian approach. For instance, a deontologist might argue that killing even one person is inherently wrong, regardless of the consequences. A virtue ethicist might focus on the character and intentions of the person making the decision, rather than the outcomes.
Ultimately, the decision is a personal and moral one, and individuals may have different views on what the ethical course of action is. It is important to consider the implications and consequences of any decision and to act in accordance with one's own values and ethical principles.
11:49 if they don't pull the lever they go fir eternity and eternity never ends therefore they will never die
best quote of pointcrow: "wait there's a kill count?" 15:20
Twitch chat is perfectly ethical
11:18
ah yes, a conSTRICTion error
because trolleys are snakes
Fun fact: every person PointCrow killed was part of a family of 5, making those families all families of 4, later killed because of Eric's actions, meaning he actually killed 490 people.
Why did I read this as “Click this video because you have free wifi”
12:06 I would make a joke about who PointCrow's "worst enemy" is, but....
I think its collector's anxiety
2:22 this is also an experiment in: Mindfield
People tend to choose more empathetic options after being told such stuff
Mindfield is
Made by Vsauce
(Not that typeG)
13:09 The Five People Are The Ancestors Of The Future Five People, So Take Them Both Out With The Original 5 People!
I adore how all the donation messages are in all caps as if chat is REALLY excited about causing mass vehicular manslaughter
Big Trolly is love, Big Trolly is life.