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- A favourite scene from the Shogun mini-series (1980). Blackthorne was aware of Omi and Kiku in love, but because Lord Toranaga had Kiku's contract of ownership, she and Omi could never be together. Toranaga then gives Kiku's contract to Blackthorne...
I bet the rehearsals for the scene where Toranaga gives Kiku away were a right laugh because in the real world the actress that played Kiku (Mika Kitagawa) was married to the actor playing Toranaga (Toshiro Mifune).
I was young when I saw this. I obviously didn't understand it then, and maybe wouldn't have even now. But it was my dad who explained to me that Toranaga knew Anjin had no desire to own another person, especially a woman that Omi loved. He could have given Kiku to Omi, but by giving her contract to Anjin, who in turn offered it to Omi as Toranaga knew he would, he strengthened their rivalry/friendship, and his retainers.
This scene wasn't in the book though. Toranaga eventually gave Kiku up he was getting too fond of her and couldn't afford the envy of other men. Originally at Fujiko's suggestion Kiku would become Anijn's consort in her place after her agreement as Anjin's consort ended. Fujiko didn't want to marry again. Toranaga tried to change her mind but she chose to join her husband and child in death. Kiku, implied in the novel, married Anjin. Omi becomes Yabu's heir after his death and Toranaga later re-appointed the Kasigi line as hereditary daimyos of Izu with Omi as it's head. Omi let go of Kiku and returned to his wife.
It also showed how far Anjin and Omi had come, from adversaries to comrades.
@@einezcrespo2107 Yes, I looked for this scene in the book too, but it wasn't there.
Omi and Kiku loved each other.
In the book Mariko suggests that Kiku should be Anjins consort and Omi's wife should divorce Omi and marry Anjin and become his wife. Fujiko supported Mariko's efforts after she died as a last wish before her own seppuku. Omi would be reinstated as Lord of Izu and this was the price he had to pay. Toranaga played them all like the master tactician that he is.
RIP Yoko Shimada (Toda Mariko san). She passed away in 2022.
In a way, this was Toranaga testing Blackthorn, to see if he had the wisdom to resolve the situation.
Toranaga knew pilot needed an ally, and with Bushido as the standard, he knew Omi would be loyal to the death. I have no doubt that is what Omi said in response to receiving the contract. And he meant it.
Bushido wasn’t a thing until the eighteenth century you dweeb
Anji earned the loyalty of a Samurai that night
The new series so far is really missing these moments between Anjin and the other key player. It builds the relationships and character arks better.
Yes, I was hoping to see this scene in the new series.
I hope that the possibility of a second season shows Blackthorne and the others becoming more united, I mean there's no reason to lie and Toranaga seems to be very close to be the Shogun.
I prefer this version of Shogun over new one. The acting and pace of the old Shogun series rivals over the new one.
Yes.I agree entirely.
The new series does not have " heart" .
It is purely visual and dark.
The remake is vastly inferior.
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Favorite scene, thanks for posting!
mine too!
When Omi addressed Anjin, he used the honorific "tono."" Never knew that until googling today.
"Dono"
This feels good to watch now that shogun is out
The kind of Zen revelation when you find out the barbarian isn't all that barbaric
The new one is good, but this one was great.
Not really 🤣🤣🤣🤣 the new one is better
I somehow like the old one better. I watched that one back in the 80s.
This will be the real Toranaga for me for ever!
I agree, but let us give a chance to the new one!
@@mikloscsuvar6097yo, there’s only been a couple episodes out so far but the new one is so good, I want to binge watch the whole series.
Also Omi. The new version of Omi is a joke.
Gotta say I also prefer the old Yabu as well. That said - The new series is impressive.
Mifune is one of the greatest actors who ever lived, in any culture.
The latest version of Shogun, rest heavily on the plot and the main character. For example, the main character is cunning a his ability to outmanuveur his rivials one of the main themes in this series. In comparison the old series was a love story set in fuedal Japan. Both series have their strenghts and weaknesses.
Friends for life now.
Great movie
The movie is ok, but it is really cut to shreds to shorten down the running time. This leads to lots of (what i'd consider) vital things to be simply left out.
The miniseries, of five episodes with just over 9 hours running time, is the best way to experience this :)
Just like another mini series, called "Op Center", the movie cut completely butchered the mini series in order to squeeze it into a movie format.
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still a great movie....the characters omi and kiku should name all their kids after blackthorne...and swear their life to blackthorne......
Well, mini series :)
Well, Blackthorne's character is based on a real life person, who's life did roughly follow this story. Apparently the man managed to earn himself quite a bit of respect, and even to this day there's a shrine dedicated to him.
Not a bad gesture especially given that Omi pissed on him in a show ofcontempt.
He did it because Blackthorne very rudely said he pissed on Omi, his country, and Yabu... Blackthorne started it with his bad manners and he had it coming at that time.
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I remember this “mini series” it was the Game of thrones of its time maybe not all the back stabbing in costumes set pieces scope and story telling with Many characters I am looking forward to selling it from the Shoguns or the Japanese point of view
This clip popped up in my views. Your comparison to “Game of Thrones” is spot on. I remember that this was a very popular mini series at the time. “Shogun” was the the show everyone was watching. A really well done show, no cgi, just absolute quality.
There was a ton of backstabbing in the books. The miniseries ignored Onoshi and Kiyama, two daimyo’s Torunaga had to flip in order to make victory over Ishido possible. And Torunaga was more than willing to backstab if it meant winning the ‘great game’
The remake,the new series does not have heart like this "old"series had.
He also could have given her the contract, not just relinquish her as a property to another man.
Been so long since I watched this masterpiece. Did Omi end up becoming a retainer to Anjin after this, I forgot what happened next.
No, but Omi did become the daimyo in place of Yabu, who was forced to commit seppuku for his treachery earlier and murdering two of his own samurai. Blackthorne/Anjin was given the village of Anjiro in Omi's place, however.
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Have the original book. Great read. Like shike.. ..
Indeed
Shike was really good. Love the Book of Yukio in it
My response would have been to give the contract to Kiku.
But that's modern day thinking for you.
My response would be to keep it and ride her like a mountain bike.
@danmcadie2515 No that may have caused conflicts Anjison did the right and honorable thing to return the contract and Wife back to Obi.
@@user-pz9zm9so6v Which is why I qualified my modernistic thinking.
'The barbarians treat women as equals?!!!'
In the book, as I recall, it's unresolved.
Will be interested to see how the new series deals with it.
THAT would have condemned her to hell on earth for the rest of her life in those days. But nowadays there is always OF.🤣
@@OnASeasideMission the Resolve in the Book is, afair, that Anjin married Kiku. Fujiko declined to marry Him and went to Her Man and Child by Seppuko.Omi returned to His Wife, beeing very Busy managing Izu Province, as Kasigi- line did get an heritage Title on the Province again.
Simply sad, as the one true Love did put Her goals over their Liason. And Fujiko wasnt enough into Him, so it has been an Geisha , already lost her Heart to another, that were to marry Himmore or less not to be an simple Furniture for the rest of Her Life. Bittersweet, like many Things in this great Novel.
What did Omi say when Anji gave him the contract?
That is cool
I wonder what would've happened if he had given her the contract?
how the heck has nobody translated this. I loved the series but it was frustrating at times with incomplete translation.
Does anyone here knows Japanese to tell us,what Omi says to Blackthorne when he takes Kiku's contract ?
He says " I am Hounored" i think?
按針殿、誠に光栄でござる。
Anjin-dono, makoto ni kōei de gozaru.
"Anjin-dono, I am truly honoured."
Note that he also addresses Blackthorne with a more formal honorific here (殿 -dono instead of 様 -san/-sama).
I noticed that. First time I had ever heard anything other than -San or -sama. Never even knew there was another honorific.
@@Kawanakajima Domo arigato!!!! I have been wondering about that literally for decades.
@@mikemesser4326 My son pointed out to me that depending on the context there are a couple dozen. Strange and cool at the same time.
😢😢😢😢 La queria para mi...
This wasn't in the book
Very nice scene. (but actually not happening in the book)
Does anyone know if this one or the new one is truer to the book? I never had a chance to read it.
1980 is closer. New one rewrites some critical scenes and dialogues in an illogical manner.
However, 1980 cuts out most of Japanese POV, focusing on Blackthorne, 2024 rushes Blackthorne scenes, with Japanese scenes taking larger proportion.
Neither are as complete of an experience as the book.
Dumb move by Anjin. I would have kept her. A man needs a maid.
He already had one in Fujiko.
@@KeiFox she declined, and did go to Her former Husband and Kid, - seppuku. First Mini Series also as Book. we will see, what comes up in the actual one. Anyway, all outcomes are absolute bitter Sweet.
This is pathetic. In the book Omi realizes the loss of Kiku is in his best interest. As samurai, Omi and Kiku would never have displayed such emotions. All concerned should have been acted in a disinterested manner in the transfer:
Blackthorne: "I appreciate Lord Toranaga's kindness to me, but I have little time for another woman besides Midori. Omi-san, you have honored me greatly already, and you would honor me even more by taking this woman as a gift, from one samurai to another."
Omit: "Sure, Anjin-san, if that's what you want."
Kiku: "Okay."
Kiku wasn't a samurai she was a peasant and a courtesan. They were both heartbroken letting go of each other. Omi kept to himself but he accepted it returning to Midori his wife. Kiku did cry but ordered herself to stop which she did. She was ready to throw herself off a cliff til she was told she would be marrying Anjin.
@@einezcrespo2107 Right about Kiku, but the point remains: neither would have acted in such a manner as the episode indicates.
@@tnsampson2 Stoic or not it didn't mean they weren't human. Omi did love Kiku and vice versa but you have to remember this TV series is based on the book which is based on history. Dramatic license will applied.
He should have peed on Omi's back before handing over the contract.
lol
No, that was in a different life ? This gesture demonstrates Anjin sans evolument. Plus, Anjin san has earned a worthy friend ?
И на куртизанку.😂
Omi: I peed on this guy and he gives me the love of my life. Damn.