unfortunately asians do not have affirmative status in america, they will give the awards to fall out even though shogun is the superior show by a large margin
I think Lady Ochiba's role was better. This scene was a powerful moment, for sure. Made me sit up and hang on her every word. But when Lady Ochiba speaks in her delicate, gentle, almost moaning tones and yet her word are spears jabbed into your heart and her eyes betray her sadistic joy at your suffering, DANG, it makes you squirm in your seat!
"I am no peasant to be trodden on.... My line has been samurai for a thousand years,..." - She saying that knowing Ishido came from peasant lineage. He did not come from a line of samurai 💅 Slay
The context Ishido real life counterpart ishida was part of hideyoshi crew who was a peasant himself but rise to power under nobunaga, After hideyoshi took power he proved hmself as talented financial guy which why he was part of council of regent after hideyoshi passing and become its defacto leader, many new narratives actually seen Ishida as ned stark of japan because his loyalty to hideyoshi heir but his reputation tarnished because Torinaga (tokugawa) goverment propaganda.
@@404Dannyboy And the ire for Ishido that she displayed was palpable. That retort was meant for the entire audience--the likes of Ishido and the rest of the Council of Regents---that had branded her father a traitor and shamed her family's bloodline. It was generational rage that was flowing through Mariko. And as a woman, she wielded he real weapon she possessed, her words and her vitriol in a setting of extreme formality and deference. She utilized her Lord's name and position as a platform from which to launch her display of disdain for all of them. Later, we see Mariko competently though not expertly wield the naginata against the Guards. She flails about until exhausted. She is a testament to sheer will, and she shamed all the Regents who stood by and watched as weapons were raised and pointed in her direction, she both a vassal and emissary of her Lord, declaring that she is attempting to fulfill her Lord's command to her. Her very honor, station, and dignity is at stake, and they stood by and cowardly allowed a woman to wield a weapon in her own defense. And that too, outnumbered and overwhelmed. They let her struggle to the point of sheer exhaustion. This display in defiance of Ishido, was a victory over ALL of them. Mariko's declaration of intent to commit Seppuku is merely the exclamation point (spiking the football in the end zone) of their disgrace and her honorable feat. That she was spared at the last instance from Seppuku is merely Ishido trying to save face in the wake a shameful defeat. That he desperately tried to have her kidnapped to prevent her departure showed his desperation to maintain the leverage already slipping from his grasp. And when Mariko determined that her life will end there, with assassins in the compound and the blood of those in Ishido's care already having been spilled, she was dealing a fatal blow to the power of Ishido, Lady Ochiba no Kata (the mother of the crown heir) whose husband marked Mariko's father as a traitor and called for the termination of that bloodline. The death of a noble's emissary, one who held a seat at the Council of Regents, would be a disgraceful, indelible shame upon ALL of them. Mariko exacted her vengeance upon them all, far more than Seppuku would have. To stand with Ishido after this would mean endorsing the cowardice of such actions. It would mean to support a dishonorable ruler who had ordered the execution of a defenseless woman, a noble's vassal and Lord emissary.
Without the context of having seen the entire show up to this point and understanding how honour and custom bound they were, it would of been hard to grasp the gravity the situation of how insanely bold and brave Mariko was in this scene.
Not just brave, but she basically spat in Ishido's face. Her and her lord were basically Ishido's prisoners but their culture did not allow them to complain or criticize -only obey. And now, she basically not only disobeys Ishido but calls him out as a peasant, a bully and, most important, weak -and in front of all the other hostages! This was Toranaga's (Mariko's lord) most brilliant gambit -turning his weak position into strength. Even Lady Ochiba was caught off guard by this.
And her father Akechi, was the only brave man in Japan willing to stand up to Nobunagas cruelty, had a whole village slaughter and monks- he had enough and gather enough loyal men and went against his lord forcing him to kill himself before Akechi himself was taken out by his army. people called him a "traitor" so be it, he wasnt a traitor to humanity.
it has only been recently that the odious tag of Traitor was thankfully lifted from Lord Aketchi . The remains of his castle still stand in Kameoka and there is a trail through the nearby mountains that still bear his name .Chiyokawa primary school near Kameoka still has the moat and entrance gates to a smaller fort as its main entrance.
My paperback fell apart while I was a teenager from constant rereading. I never thought I would see on-screen a rendition that didn’t clash with what I imagined. Kudos to all involved.
The council is hoisted on it's own petard in maintaining the facade that they rule with universal unified support without hostages. Mariko (and Toranaga) has called their bluff by just demanding to leave Osaka with Toranaga's hostage and new son. The moment she got the permit to do so after this (and the threat to commit seppuku), all the other hostages demand the same thing, and with that Ishido's grip on power cracks.
Poor Ishido, low born and missed all the subtle hints at what was to come. He heard that poetry and thought it was "a little bleak" but because hes not high born, he has no idea that Mariko is warning Ochiba. lol he finds out in the end though
Bro. When I tell you Mariko in this scene and the whole episode gave me chills . I got goosebumps all over. literal chills. With only words and Marikos strong , firm gaze and character - she took control of the room. WITH JUST HER WORDS. SUCH POWER.
What a valedictory speech! Worthy of a Golden Globe nomination for her awesome performance in this fantastic saga! Our weekly family show. Can't wait to watch the finale!!!
@@GandalfOfRivia Well then the rest of Hollywood should take notes. It is quite refreshing to see displays of power which do not boil down to magical obtaining supreme hand to hand combat skills.
This kind of spirit "lives" in my Toyota. It's 18 years old, 200,000 miles (320,000 km) and still getting 42 miles to the gallon (5.6 liter/100 km) on highway trips. Precise, well structured and with my hawk like vigilance, still running.
I always felt her poetry continued in her later conversation with ochiba. Veiled In the haze if cold evening a leafless branch. Death is not surrender. A flower is only a flower because it falls. And ochiba completes it in her letter to toranaga by adding the line. But which way the wind blows.
Lady mariko did what no army could not and defeated and humiliated the council. She used their honor against them and won with honor and same with lord tornaga.
I have little to zero context about this show but that phrase where she said that the matter is closed when you have the manners to let me finish. that small underline under IS just made it more impactful. Now I wanna watch this show.
For those you may have missed the beat down she handed this lord, she not only called his bluff that the council had power but outright called him a peasant when compared to her, who was descended of a samurai linage. As a certain Jedi once said: “You are on this Council, but I do not acknowledge you as a samurai.” More, this was a woman saying this to a man. In terms of class, women during this time were little more than used as breeding and marriages, to be seen but not heard; so for a woman not only to say this to a man, in the face of the council and their servants and vessels - it would have been an instant death penalty. But everyone knew the lord’s lowly birth and her noble birth - that alone was kept her safe. Sowing the seeds of rebellion with her family linage - similar to how the English man was used to force the Catholic lords to resist any and all decisions, including the vote to impeach - there will always be the samurai who put tradition over religion, siding with her against the low born
If this work in Season 1 is modeled on the eve of Sekigahara, I would like them to create "Battle of Sekigahara", the internal conflict after the unification, "Winter Camp" and "Summer Camp" in Season 2. After the novel was finished, Game of Thrones quickly created a script and produced an additional season. It would be a shame if the Shogun ended after season 1. The story gets interesting from now on.
Sadly that is how the original Shogun book and series ended that it finished on the eve of Sekigahara and the fact that Blackthorne was destined to live out the rest of his days in Japan.
Game of Thrones was dogshit from the gate since they never understood the books when they made the show & GRRM was so happy that Hollywood was finally paying attention to him just absolutely abandoned everything that he had been doing up to that point. He didn't just "stop writing" but cause his story of Hard SciFi about a post post-apocalyptic world that nuked themselves fighting the Hragain (Weirwoods) during the intergalactic Double War so long ago that they don't even remember it with only a few pieces of random High Technology still functioning that are treated as "magical." There's no way to reconcile everything that ASOIAF set-up with what GOT produced.
just for future clips, this was the only channel that i could find this epic moment on...but... Please leave the moments of silence and pauses in between speech. It really does have an effect on the scene and the cutting really takes away from the moment. I understand there may be issues with youtube or something, but maybe flip the footage and mirror it or something... The speech in this show is incredibly important.
Wow, certainly edited the crap out of this one, all the jump frames and accelerated pace. Really kills the scene, has much less impact. What happened to quality? Oh yeah, video thieves trying to make internet monies are not concerned with quality, context or even accuracy.
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Actress playing Mariko nailed her role. She is unforgettable and her performance should be rewarded as such.
unfortunately asians do not have affirmative status in america, they will give the awards to fall out even though shogun is the superior show by a large margin
I think Lady Ochiba's role was better. This scene was a powerful moment, for sure. Made me sit up and hang on her every word. But when Lady Ochiba speaks in her delicate, gentle, almost moaning tones and yet her word are spears jabbed into your heart and her eyes betray her sadistic joy at your suffering, DANG, it makes you squirm in your seat!
@@gengis01eh…mariko is better
Anna Sawai. She's always fantastic.
... and so she was
"I am no peasant to be trodden on.... My line has been samurai for a thousand years,..." - She saying that knowing Ishido came from peasant lineage. He did not come from a line of samurai 💅 Slay
The context Ishido real life counterpart ishida was part of hideyoshi crew who was a peasant himself but rise to power under nobunaga, After hideyoshi took power he proved hmself as talented financial guy which why he was part of council of regent after hideyoshi passing and become its defacto leader, many new narratives actually seen Ishida as ned stark of japan because his loyalty to hideyoshi heir but his reputation tarnished because Torinaga (tokugawa) goverment propaganda.
Burn!
It is actually a pretty bad burn given that her line was entirely dishonored.
Some folks need to be reminded where they came from every now and then.
@@404Dannyboy And the ire for Ishido that she displayed was palpable. That retort was meant for the entire audience--the likes of Ishido and the rest of the Council of Regents---that had branded her father a traitor and shamed her family's bloodline. It was generational rage that was flowing through Mariko. And as a woman, she wielded he real weapon she possessed, her words and her vitriol in a setting of extreme formality and deference. She utilized her Lord's name and position as a platform from which to launch her display of disdain for all of them. Later, we see Mariko competently though not expertly wield the naginata against the Guards. She flails about until exhausted. She is a testament to sheer will, and she shamed all the Regents who stood by and watched as weapons were raised and pointed in her direction, she both a vassal and emissary of her Lord, declaring that she is attempting to fulfill her Lord's command to her. Her very honor, station, and dignity is at stake, and they stood by and cowardly allowed a woman to wield a weapon in her own defense. And that too, outnumbered and overwhelmed. They let her struggle to the point of sheer exhaustion. This display in defiance of Ishido, was a victory over ALL of them.
Mariko's declaration of intent to commit Seppuku is merely the exclamation point (spiking the football in the end zone) of their disgrace and her honorable feat. That she was spared at the last instance from Seppuku is merely Ishido trying to save face in the wake a shameful defeat. That he desperately tried to have her kidnapped to prevent her departure showed his desperation to maintain the leverage already slipping from his grasp. And when Mariko determined that her life will end there, with assassins in the compound and the blood of those in Ishido's care already having been spilled, she was dealing a fatal blow to the power of Ishido, Lady Ochiba no Kata (the mother of the crown heir) whose husband marked Mariko's father as a traitor and called for the termination of that bloodline. The death of a noble's emissary, one who held a seat at the Council of Regents, would be a disgraceful, indelible shame upon ALL of them. Mariko exacted her vengeance upon them all, far more than Seppuku would have.
To stand with Ishido after this would mean endorsing the cowardice of such actions. It would mean to support a dishonorable ruler who had ordered the execution of a defenseless woman, a noble's vassal and Lord emissary.
Without the context of having seen the entire show up to this point and understanding how honour and custom bound they were, it would of been hard to grasp the gravity the situation of how insanely bold and brave Mariko was in this scene.
"It would have been"
Not just brave, but she basically spat in Ishido's face. Her and her lord were basically Ishido's prisoners but their culture did not allow them to complain or criticize -only obey. And now, she basically not only disobeys Ishido but calls him out as a peasant, a bully and, most important, weak -and in front of all the other hostages! This was Toranaga's (Mariko's lord) most brilliant gambit -turning his weak position into strength. Even Lady Ochiba was caught off guard by this.
it's very cute that you think such things. But, no, the show is well-made and the subtext is clear.
thats it. thats the crimson sky. Mariko slicing Isihido's dignity in full court is the massacre.
You killed that moment by chopping that scene like that!
And her father Akechi, was the only brave man in Japan willing to stand up to Nobunagas cruelty, had a whole village slaughter and monks- he had enough and gather enough loyal men and went against his lord forcing him to kill himself before Akechi himself was taken out by his army. people called him a "traitor" so be it, he wasnt a traitor to humanity.
it has only been recently that the odious tag of Traitor was thankfully lifted from Lord Aketchi . The remains of his castle still stand in Kameoka and there is a trail through the nearby mountains that still bear his name .Chiyokawa primary school near Kameoka still has the moat and entrance gates to a smaller fort as its main entrance.
How do words good
Lols thats a really fantasy rose colored way to look at things. Ignorant weebs like you are so freaking gross🤮
My paperback fell apart while I was a teenager from constant rereading. I never thought I would see on-screen a rendition that didn’t clash with what I imagined. Kudos to all involved.
Same here. Bought a Kindle version two years ago.
I, too, have enjoyed reading it more than once. It's that good.
The council is hoisted on it's own petard in maintaining the facade that they rule with universal unified support without hostages. Mariko (and Toranaga) has called their bluff by just demanding to leave Osaka with Toranaga's hostage and new son. The moment she got the permit to do so after this (and the threat to commit seppuku), all the other hostages demand the same thing, and with that Ishido's grip on power cracks.
Perfectly played. GOT Japanese style.
Stop upvoting bots
Poor Ishido, low born and missed all the subtle hints at what was to come. He heard that poetry and thought it was "a little bleak" but because hes not high born, he has no idea that Mariko is warning Ochiba. lol he finds out in the end though
dia terlalu rakus dan haus kekuasaan, sebagian besar orang dari kalangan bawah jika sudah diberi kekuasaan memang selalu egois dan berpikir pendek
Bro.
When I tell you Mariko in this scene and the whole episode gave me chills . I got goosebumps all over.
literal chills.
With only words and Marikos strong , firm gaze and character - she took control of the room. WITH JUST HER WORDS.
SUCH POWER.
The most powerful performance of the whole series. She changed the future of Japan.
Mariko with the red and red inner kimono was such a great representation of the crimson sky ! She really did THAT!👏🏽
What a valedictory speech! Worthy of a Golden Globe nomination for her awesome performance in this fantastic saga! Our weekly family show. Can't wait to watch the finale!!!
This aged well :)
Seriously it’s like we all knew- this show will be getting lots of viewers now. Not a hidden gem anymore.
This actress did a wonderful job for this role.
I will never be confined, I am free to go as I please. That’s a spiritual statement.
"My line has been Samurai for 1,000 years. I am no peasant to be trodden on!" Oh boy, so powerful.
THIS IS WHAT A REAL BADASS FEMALE CHARACTER LOOKS LIKE HOLLYWOOD!
It was made by Hollywood... Streamed by a company owned by Disney... 😊
@GandalfOfRivia Hey, I'm just glad they got it right and respected most of the novel writing.
@@GandalfOfRivia Well then the rest of Hollywood should take notes. It is quite refreshing to see displays of power which do not boil down to magical obtaining supreme hand to hand combat skills.
@@GandalfOfRivia So like a broken 🕰
It’s a character based on a book…… not engineered by Hollywood.
This kind of spirit "lives" in my Toyota. It's 18 years old, 200,000 miles (320,000 km) and still getting 42 miles to the gallon (5.6 liter/100 km) on highway trips.
Precise, well structured and with my hawk like vigilance, still running.
1:03 - this is like the Sengoku version of a rap battle lol, you gotta spit out some fire lines immediately
I always felt her poetry continued in her later conversation with ochiba.
Veiled In the haze if cold evening a leafless branch.
Death is not surrender.
A flower is only a flower because it falls.
And ochiba completes it in her letter to toranaga by adding the line. But which way the wind blows.
Council: You will wait!
Mariko: No. I won't.
Council: B-but...!
Mariko: This decision is final
Council: 😳 K.
It was always fun to see Ishido-chan put in his place after every time he thought he had already won. And this scene was the best of them all.
Every scene in this series is breathtaking and binge worthy.
Superb performance and her strength, grace and beauty are incredible.
Lady mariko did what no army could not and defeated and humiliated the council. She used their honor against them and won with honor and same with lord tornaga.
Her talent shines brilliantly in this series. Truly a top-class performance!
This is one of those rare in a lifetime entertainment masterpieces.
that smile at the end, though...
This is what stunning and brave looks like
don't edit-out the pauses
I have little to zero context about this show but that phrase where she said that the matter is closed when you have the manners to let me finish. that small underline under IS just made it more impactful. Now I wanna watch this show.
Amazing show! One of my favs!
I see, Mariko was loosely inspired by Gracia....the daughter of Akechi Mitsuhide. Been playing Samurai Warriors since mid 2000s.
What a scene!
She destroyed him with facts and logic
I did not like her in the beginning, but now I am falling in love with her character.
We are all like Yabushige when we heard about the crimson sky, then watched this scene.
Tadanobu Asano has killed it all! in this entire series
Cate Randa shouldn't be so rude to her dad
I mean the dad keeps leaving pencil shavings everywhere
Who's cate canda ?
He says she is not confined but isn’t allowed to leave until they have a meeting to decide if she’s confined or not 😭 this is why leaders get killed
Hence, the Crimson Sky.
This is how you do strong woman in film.
Mariko Sama 🥲
This show seems to have filled the hole left by Game of Thrones that House of The Dragon has not been able to fill.
Mariko is a force of nature!
By far my favorite scene, she’s a bad you know what?
For those you may have missed the beat down she handed this lord, she not only called his bluff that the council had power but outright called him a peasant when compared to her, who was descended of a samurai linage.
As a certain Jedi once said:
“You are on this Council, but I do not acknowledge you as a samurai.”
More, this was a woman saying this to a man.
In terms of class, women during this time were little more than used as breeding and marriages, to be seen but not heard; so for a woman not only to say this to a man, in the face of the council and their servants and vessels - it would have been an instant death penalty.
But everyone knew the lord’s lowly birth and her noble birth - that alone was kept her safe.
Sowing the seeds of rebellion with her family linage - similar to how the English man was used to force the Catholic lords to resist any and all decisions, including the vote to impeach - there will always be the samurai who put tradition over religion, siding with her against the low born
My winning statement is do your job and that is how businesses is your own
Mariko SAMA indeed
She is easily the best character on the show❤❤❤
Aw, I was hoping to see the badass tai-sabaki at the end!
Ishido came from peasant stock.
I am done here go on and never forget!
Heykekili dikelim desek beton yetmez
If this work in Season 1 is modeled on the eve of Sekigahara, I would like them to create "Battle of Sekigahara", the internal conflict after the unification, "Winter Camp" and "Summer Camp" in Season 2.
After the novel was finished, Game of Thrones quickly created a script and produced an additional season.
It would be a shame if the Shogun ended after season 1.
The story gets interesting from now on.
Sadly that is how the original Shogun book and series ended that it finished on the eve of Sekigahara and the fact that Blackthorne was destined to live out the rest of his days in Japan.
Game of Thrones was dogshit from the gate since they never understood the books when they made the show & GRRM was so happy that Hollywood was finally paying attention to him just absolutely abandoned everything that he had been doing up to that point. He didn't just "stop writing" but cause his story of Hard SciFi about a post post-apocalyptic world that nuked themselves fighting the Hragain (Weirwoods) during the intergalactic Double War so long ago that they don't even remember it with only a few pieces of random High Technology still functioning that are treated as "magical."
There's no way to reconcile everything that ASOIAF set-up with what GOT produced.
Flowers are only flowers because they fall.
Not one sapce is a lone star...
All of those choppy editing cuts were destroying this scene.
Note to self...... Don't watch Nukemclips.
just for future clips, this was the only channel that i could find this epic moment on...but...
Please leave the moments of silence and pauses in between speech. It really does have an effect on the scene and the cutting really takes away from the moment. I understand there may be issues with youtube or something, but maybe flip the footage and mirror it or something...
The speech in this show is incredibly important.
Doesn't it seem like there are three syllables in Japanese to express one syllable in English?
This actress is good.
Welcome to Turks And Caicos - back in the day Treasure Island
Free to come and go but I do business anywhere I am...
🪬 the pinky finger lied to you that it love you and will do anything for you the thumb 👍 said you can have it all and lied to you...
"Council"
Speak for me 🤭
Mariko Yngwie Malmsteen
This to me, was the best episode, but the entire 10 were great
Adam and Eva have already gotten back to Eden
Why cut out the pauses and rush through it? Why edit a masterful scene? 😂😢
Cey - key 🔑
❤
Do you all just pass these scenes back and forth to gain views?
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Welp, I'm outta here.
why did u cut it 100 times? destroyed the whole scene. The original is much better!
Lol...
Accelerated clip garbage. Leaves no room for nuance, and destroys the very fabric of being in the moment. This channel is for clicks.
Too modern "Westworld like vibes"
this is a horrible jumps all over the place clip
yeah that's what i was thinking as well
Hey i want to leave
The book is so much richer. This scene in the book is not dark and ominous.
🫰🏼🫰🏼🫰🏼
bad aess...lol
I have respect for women back then
LOL, why? Did you think they were all dish rags back then?
Way to butcher a scene with crap cuts. Why even bother…
なぜこんな風に映像を切り刻むの？？役者のセリフの途中です。字幕が読めれば他はどうでもいいですか？
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Wow, certainly edited the crap out of this one, all the jump frames and accelerated pace. Really kills the scene, has much less impact. What happened to quality? Oh yeah, video thieves trying to make internet monies are not concerned with quality, context or even accuracy.
Terrible editing
Mariko: ｡◕ ‿ ◕｡
Ochiba: 👀