Looks like folks found Sisyphus' stamina values Harmless/Lenient - 6 on both phases Standard - 6 on phase 1, 10 on phase 2 Violent - 8 on phase 1, 16 on phase 2 Brutal - 10 on phase 1, Infinite on phase 2 Parries restore 5 points to him Attack Stamina Costs: You can't escape - 3 Destroy - 3 This will hurt - 1 Nice try - (why does this consume 2 points?) Be gone - 1 Roundhouse kick - 1 Overhead spike - 1 Divebomb - 1
Oddly enough, I easily beat Pisyphus the first time I got to him with P-rank requirements. Perhaps it’s because I’d already practiced beating him parry-only on sandbox, but I found the gauntlet a hell of a lot harder than the boss when it comes to p-ranking this level.
funny i have the opposite problem despite my ability to beat minos hinging entirely on me being able to consistently parry. I had relative to most others ive talked to little issue with the gauntlet after having figured out personal solutions for each task. Which didn't take that long. I have improved the consistency of those a bit in subsequent runs before I realized there was a shortcut to sisyphus due to my perfectionism. I've beaten sisyphus I just can't do it consistently. which is what I need to do if I wanna P rank. which is why im thinking of first trying the run face first approach mentioned as my dps was mostly shotgun projectile boost swapping making sure to swap to something else to keep style, and I kept just enough distance to not get bull headed parry throws any consistency (not that I'd naturally be doing them anyway) before just practicing runs of fist only. force myself to move such that I am in position to parry and must parry.
As a guy that likes to facetank the un-facetank-able, I have been struggling a lot with this level, and I decided to wait until you completed the tutorial to start trying my attempts. I think Gunzerking might single-handedly make me give it a try again. I suck ass, but since that strategy is very compatible with my playstyle, I think I will end up getting it... if I can get through that damned stalker room more consistently. You are the GOAT, DrFeelGood. A massive thank you from the bottom of my heart.
there is a way to do the level backwards after the roof gained collision, with the door where you open the 3 locks there’s a bit in the roof where you can escape the level, but before that you want to open the boss door to load the arena, once you’re out you can go to the front left side of the panopticon arena you can trigger the boss fight then wait out the boss and either kill or scrindingulode him then trigger the door next to the elevator then go thru the shortcut backwards, the timer will freeze and you can get an easy p rank without worrying about style
@@oofmanoofguy4494 okay roof before door room that lead to panopticon have no hitbox use rocket fly up stand next to panopticon arena and dash at it outside panopticon spawn panopticon d i e .
Also if you are feeling ballsy, you can fit a railcoin in “be gone” and the 3rd hit of “you can’t escape”. It is kinda meaningless since you can’t coinadd, but i’ll be damned if it isn’t stylish as hell!
The Panopticon is so weird. Despite having more difficult attacks and quirks from Flesh Prison, you hardly fight it at all, since as you said, the first time it tries to heal, Sissyphus just breaks out and kills it.
This was a huge help for me back last January when I finally did my P-2 P-Rank on Violent. I am now back here because Sisyphus is now kicking my ass even harder on brutal
I haven't had the time to P-rank everything yet, unfortunately. I only played the campaign twice on brutal, and I only need P-2 now. I tried fighting sisyphus in the sandbox 1v1. I can take him 90% of the time now. All I gotta do is get some time for one more go at it. I recommend you try fighting him in sandbox, too. Way less pressure, which will let you focus less on not fucking up, and focus more and downloading his updated moves.
this was super interesting. thanks for the vid! btw: surprisingly (or no?) sisyphus was much easier for me than minos... probably because by the time i got to our yellow man i guess i already sucked less. furthermore, and i'm a bit ashamed, on the successful run of p-2 it took me 4 tries to beat the panopticon, but sisyphus was defeated in the 1st try, lmao. p.s. ur videos served as amazing motivation
Sometimes, you just vibe with a boss. I never had trouble with flesh prison or panopticon, but struggled a lot with sisyphus initially. I also find gabriel 2 easier to fight. I guess the spinning sword attack makes it easier for me to estimate distance compared to a single color weapon, so I pretty much never miss a parry vs gabe 2. So yeah, don't sweat it! Everyone has their own strengths and weaknesses.
Dude, thank you *so* much for these two guides. I spent nearly two weeks on this level (first trying to beat it, then P-ranking it after a short diversion to P-rank Minos), and nearly a full week of non-stop practicing and playing until I finally got it last night. I'm convinced your videos were like 90% of the reason I was ever able to get through it, I learned so much from them and they gave me hope that I might one day get it. Thank you, I am so glad this community has people like you who spend their time trying to teach and help others. PS: If you're interested, I uploaded a video of my P-rank to my channel. I figured it might be interesting for you to see how much of what you taught I applied lol. PPS: The interaction between you and your gf at the end was adorable, it reminded me of my gf, we congratulate each other on our gaming successes a lot, haha.
"OOOOH a new guide on how to beat Sisyphus without dying? I bet it has some super cool weapons combos that will take many tries to master." GODDAMNIT IT'S PROJECTILE BOOSTING AGAIN
@@Sheba7660 yeah I know, I was making a joke how almost every new player (including me) will almost exclusively use projectile boosting once they figure out you can do that, until the game forces them to change the strategy in order to progress
@@VadoF1 I was joking, too. Really hard to convey certain types of humor over text. It is kinda funny how effective proboosting vs sisyphus is, but only once you've mastered his moveset
I would imagine Minos being the bottom he is would be forced to sit on his knees on Sisyphus’s lap just so he can be of reach of kissing Sisy passionately
Everyone is different. I used to find him waaaay harder, but I basically stomped the gauntlet on my first run because I played a lot of cybergrind. Did you try fighting him at 50% speed to learn his attacks?
Doing it backwards was possible before the back to the cyber grind update that took out the non collision wall. I have a run somewhere on my channel and if you used it in the speedrun you will get stopped from mods because of timer manipulation, fair.
Thanks! My favourite part about watching spectacle fighter type games is how you can see the unique style of each player. I hope my playstyle has brought something interesting to the table!
The teleport trail isn’t really necessary to dodge his attack, just dash at the right time to avoid the damage of his slam. But stay in the air to avoid the shockwave
As someone who’s seen balance discussions online, what is your stance on deadcoining? Is it way too OP on dealing a hell ton of DMG without even giving the enemies a chance? Should it be nerfed to the ground since it came as an alternative from a previous coin-chaining tech which can instakill the corpse of Minos with a single coin by just punching it to the wall? Or is it fine to leave it untouched in the game for years of updates to come?
I think deadcoining should (and will) stay. To pull of a successful deadcoin oneshot, you need a lot of setup, and a lot of time, but most importantly, you need a lot of skill to pull it off consistently. It's easy to deadcoin with 4 coins, but it's really hard to maintain a deadcoin chain during the entire cutscene + maintain a saw trap, too. However, I do wish we got at least a few bosses that had some protection against it, because as it stands, most bosses are beaten the exact same way. This is why the evolution of 0-5 speedruns has been more interesting to me, for example. Any boss that has a long cutscene gets instantly deleted with deadcoins in speedruns. While I think the skill involved is really cool, I do wish we had some more variety.
this boss just feels like a more unfair minos to me, it has the core idea of mostly just making you learn its patterns but it's not just that the patterns themselves are harder to pull off they're harder to predict and chain together too which i just think is really annoying
I kind of agree... I felt the same way when I first fought him, but over time I grew to enjoy the fight. When I want to have a good time I play p-2 instead of p-1. Even though I think Minos is overall much better (music, design, mechanics, lore...), Tenebre Rosso Sangue + the gauntlet, and then a really fast paced fight feels just right after some practice. You might change your opinion after a while :)
@@Sheba7660 oh i don't doubt that it's a lot more fun once you're accustomed to it but it's just so much harder to even try to get accustomed to it that i don't have fun doing it
I cant get the parry timing for Sisyphus' down. And also Sisyphus prime just feels impossible to me because i literally cant see what attack hes doing most of the time his big body covers the entire screen constantly
Try playing with major assists for a while (50% speed). If you're learning him at full speed, most of his attacks feel so fast that you can't process them (or even remember what each attack looks like). Once you get good at 50% speed, try again at full speed and you'll see that you can suddenly understand every attack, you'll just need to become a bit faster, but you won't feel so confused and overwhelmed anymore. If his big body covers the screen, just shotgun, punch, and dash away (look at my final strat before the gunzerker bit to see how and why it works)
@@Sheba7660 I feel like if I knew how to counter his 'begone' attack and his attack where he teleports above the player and then smashes down really fast i would be able to beat him. I am able to get halfway through the last phase by using the screwdriver as soon as it becomes available and spamming nail gun overheat as often as possible.
@@ulrikahaggard9923 If you're moving diagonally, you'll almost dodge begone by the time it comes out, so you just need to correct a little bit. Buys you a bit of time to react. And his stomp attack is I think the only untelegraphed teleport attack that teleports out of your view. So If you hear him teleport, but can't see him, and he didn't say a voice line (like Begone), assume he's above you.
I lovered the volume, too 😅 It was my older mic, so it was really trash. Got a new one during the making of this video, so most of my future clips and all of my post production will have high audio quality 👌 edit: thanks for watching the entire thing! Keeps me motivated to stop rushing my videos towards the end.
1, 2 coins is much easier. It feels like 1 coin is diff 4/10. 2 coins + coin punch is like 5. 3 coins is a 10. 4 coins is over the maximum hahah I do that because I'm confident with my coins. If that's too tough, try rocket riding to the top and dropping down with 4 coins + slab. But coin, punch, slab is a pretty universal combo that you will start to abuse once you learn it. Addint a rocket, or +1 coin on top is pretty simple once you have the tough part down. If you can't coin punch slabcoin on the ground, I'd recommend learning that first.
Sisyphus beating your ass has the same energy as a good potemkin player to me. All he's missing is a buster move. Plus, both Sisyphus and Potemkin are BIG BOYS
I can't. Been trying my hardest, been trying for days on end. I can't do it. I just can't beat him without dying at least ones. I know bla bla "Loser attitude", but it's so mentally draining and honestly just not fun anymore whatsoever. Some days I'm really good at the game and on other days my arms just feel weird and my aim as all fucked up.
Yes, but the cutscene will still play out normally. The only difference is that you will have more style. You can use cheats to kill it instantly if you want to test it
Give it time. You can use the shortcut to practice the boss easily. I suggest practicing with major assists at 50% speed. It really helped me actually UNDERSTAND what was happening. And maybe take a short break. First time I beat Minos, I didn't P rank him for like 4 months cuz I took a break. Don't stress too much :)
I started playing like 2 years ago and I came back recently to P rank everything. Act 1? EASY. P-1? Childs play. Act 2? Laughable. P-2? I GOT HUMBLED REAL QUICK.
I've had it in mind, yes. I want to get good at the new grind, though. The projectile speed is throwing me off so bad. But once I'm back to about where I was (wave 68), I'll consider it. Unless somebody makes one before I do. If there is nothing I can add to the topic, there's no point in rehashing someone else's ideas. Time will tell!
@@GustavWicker Rocket ride good. I do miss having my pc drop down to 30 fps and losing all my muscle memory in an instant. The amount of enemies and projectiles are ridiculous. Kinda scared of radiant enemies at the moment. I might do the entire campaign in radiant mode to relearn everything... Sounds like a good idea
@@GustavWicker I pretty much only go for chargebacks vs maurices and sentries, so the timing screws with me a lot. Sentry is worse because it can hit you mid-air. But maurices can mess you up when rocket riding, too. Everything else is fine
Just good timing. It's the same speed as just spamming right click when standing still. It may just seem faster because of my mouse movement. Just get good at spam clicking, and then try to clean up your inputs until you can only click once for each coin, but as fast as the game allows you to do so. That's it. After that you can add whatever movement or tech you like!
honestly dude the easiest way to get rid of the orbs is to shotgun + knuckleblaster all of them its an instakill still tho i do end up racking 50,000 style points if you also just use knuckleblaster + shotgun on sisyphus at the end i just plop up all my coins and shoot them it gets the job done
It's the easiest, yes, but railing two orbs at once is faster, meaning it's easier to get back your ability to heal before the mortar barrage starts! While it may not be a problem for you, I've seen people do the entire level perfectly, only to take it too slow at panopticon, losing their entire run.
Shotgun parry first, then punch with the feedbacker while the game is still frozen from the shotgun parry. The parries will stack. If you have good timing, sometimes you can even get a projectile boost for extra damage!
Practice, practice, practice! Ultrakill will nake you much better at all fps games, but you also have to be ready to get wrecked from time to time. I used to have trouble with just a single mindflayer, and had to really take my time to land a railcoin. Now I'm bullying bosses, rocket riding, and performing aerial railcoins! Maybe try watching someone play, or have somebody watch you, so they can help you fix your bad habits. Most importantly, have fun! Why else would you even be playing? Even if you only get 70% as good as you want to be, you still improved a lot, and hopefully enjoyed the process and the reward. Maybe I can help you a bit. What is troubling you in that level? Time, style, kills, particular room or enemy?
@@dantegaming6278 You lose a bit of style every time you get hit. If you take a lot of damage, you'll have trouble getting an S in some levels, even with a high style counter from time to time. Try minimizing damage and further varying your playstyle. Coin punches and ultraricos (coin punch into slab piercer) are great for style, for exanple.
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Looks like folks found Sisyphus' stamina values
Harmless/Lenient - 6 on both phases
Standard - 6 on phase 1, 10 on phase 2
Violent - 8 on phase 1, 16 on phase 2
Brutal - 10 on phase 1, Infinite on phase 2
Parries restore 5 points to him
Attack Stamina Costs:
You can't escape - 3
Destroy - 3
This will hurt - 1
Nice try - (why does this consume 2 points?)
Be gone - 1
Roundhouse kick - 1
Overhead spike - 1
Divebomb - 1
Lemme just.... pin this real quick
well he’s usually not standing up straight so maybe the little gesture takes a lot of energy
WAIT HE GETS POINTS WHEN YOU PARRY HIM!?
well that explains quite a bit
@@Vestige_ Yes. Same thing happens when you parry Minos Prime's melee attacks
@@TheSM1155 it all makes sense now
Congrats on getting it out man!
"I hope I never have to do a one hour guide for a single level ever again."
See you in P-3!
You really didn't sugarcoat it
@@Sheba7660 damnnnnnnnnn
@@klibe+ FISTFUL OF DOLLAR
"When Sisyphus says 'this will hurt', it's because it is going to hurt"
The end.
i have only missed the parry twice (however i get molested by everything else)
Oddly enough, I easily beat Pisyphus the first time I got to him with P-rank requirements. Perhaps it’s because I’d already practiced beating him parry-only on sandbox, but I found the gauntlet a hell of a lot harder than the boss when it comes to p-ranking this level.
That's why I made a separate guide for the gauntlet first
@@Sheba7660 and that guide helped me quite a lot. Big thanks for making my P-2-P a little bit less painful with your advice.
funny i have the opposite problem despite my ability to beat minos hinging entirely on me being able to consistently parry.
I had relative to most others ive talked to little issue with the gauntlet after having figured out personal solutions for each task. Which didn't take that long.
I have improved the consistency of those a bit in subsequent runs before I realized there was a shortcut to sisyphus due to my perfectionism. I've beaten sisyphus I just can't do it consistently. which is what I need to do if I wanna P rank.
which is why im thinking of first trying the run face first approach mentioned as my dps was mostly shotgun projectile boost swapping making sure to swap to something else to keep style, and I kept just enough distance to not get bull headed parry throws any consistency (not that I'd naturally be doing them anyway) before just practicing runs of fist only. force myself to move such that I am in position to parry and must parry.
As a guy that likes to facetank the un-facetank-able, I have been struggling a lot with this level, and I decided to wait until you completed the tutorial to start trying my attempts.
I think Gunzerking might single-handedly make me give it a try again. I suck ass, but since that strategy is very compatible with my playstyle, I think I will end up getting it... if I can get through that damned stalker room more consistently.
You are the GOAT, DrFeelGood. A massive thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Do report back when you manage to do it!
@@Sheba7660 I am proud to announce that I got past the D-rank! I got a C-rank. It's something. I'll keep going slowly but surely.
@@Sheba7660OOOOOOH I DID IT!! THANK YOU FOR THE TUTORIAL! GUNZERKER STYYYYYLE!!!!!
@@rordongamsay8478 Yesssss brooooo
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOO
Days ago I got a p rank except i didnt get enough style (missed by 900) i can hopefully do it now thanks to your videos
Good luck, dude!
You'll probably get it the next time you play if you got that close already
27:55
this isnt the "surpass sisyphus' aggression" strat, this is the *GO APESHIT STRAT*
there is a way to do the level backwards after the roof gained collision, with the door where you open the 3 locks there’s a bit in the roof where you can escape the level, but before that you want to open the boss door to load the arena, once you’re out you can go to the front left side of the panopticon arena you can trigger the boss fight then wait out the boss and either kill or scrindingulode him then trigger the door next to the elevator then go thru the shortcut backwards, the timer will freeze and you can get an easy p rank without worrying about style
Wow. I actually had NO idea. Amazing info!
ngl made my brain melt
@@oofmanoofguy4494 okay roof before door room that lead to panopticon have no hitbox
use rocket fly up
stand next to panopticon arena and dash at it outside
panopticon spawn
panopticon d i e .
@@Vestige_ 💀
I find it funny that the speed run clip of Haze shows that the style goes from 33 thousand to 384 thousand in like half a second of combat
got my p rank on violent thanks to this video and the previous one. lot of very useful information while also being clear and concise. thanks
Congrats! Glad it was helpful!
Also if you are feeling ballsy, you can fit a railcoin in “be gone” and the 3rd hit of “you can’t escape”. It is kinda meaningless since you can’t coinadd, but i’ll be damned if it isn’t stylish as hell!
clicked this video because i got bored, didn't expect to get called out with the deadcoin chain part
excellent video i enjoyed it
Glad you enjoyed my garbage 😁
The Panopticon is so weird. Despite having more difficult attacks and quirks from Flesh Prison, you hardly fight it at all, since as you said, the first time it tries to heal, Sissyphus just breaks out and kills it.
Calling it: the third flesh container will be already dead when we arrive.
Masterfeelgreat try to make a bad thumbnail challenge:impossible
This was a huge help for me back last January when I finally did my P-2 P-Rank on Violent. I am now back here because Sisyphus is now kicking my ass even harder on brutal
I haven't had the time to P-rank everything yet, unfortunately. I only played the campaign twice on brutal, and I only need P-2 now. I tried fighting sisyphus in the sandbox 1v1. I can take him 90% of the time now. All I gotta do is get some time for one more go at it.
I recommend you try fighting him in sandbox, too. Way less pressure, which will let you focus less on not fucking up, and focus more and downloading his updated moves.
7:22 ULTRA RICOSHOT x5000 💀
this was super interesting. thanks for the vid!
btw: surprisingly (or no?) sisyphus was much easier for me than minos... probably because by the time i got to our yellow man i guess i already sucked less. furthermore, and i'm a bit ashamed, on the successful run of p-2 it took me 4 tries to beat the panopticon, but sisyphus was defeated in the 1st try, lmao.
p.s. ur videos served as amazing motivation
Sometimes, you just vibe with a boss. I never had trouble with flesh prison or panopticon, but struggled a lot with sisyphus initially. I also find gabriel 2 easier to fight. I guess the spinning sword attack makes it easier for me to estimate distance compared to a single color weapon, so I pretty much never miss a parry vs gabe 2.
So yeah, don't sweat it!
Everyone has their own strengths and weaknesses.
Dude, thank you *so* much for these two guides. I spent nearly two weeks on this level (first trying to beat it, then P-ranking it after a short diversion to P-rank Minos), and nearly a full week of non-stop practicing and playing until I finally got it last night. I'm convinced your videos were like 90% of the reason I was ever able to get through it, I learned so much from them and they gave me hope that I might one day get it. Thank you, I am so glad this community has people like you who spend their time trying to teach and help others.
PS: If you're interested, I uploaded a video of my P-rank to my channel. I figured it might be interesting for you to see how much of what you taught I applied lol.
PPS: The interaction between you and your gf at the end was adorable, it reminded me of my gf, we congratulate each other on our gaming successes a lot, haha.
"OOOOH a new guide on how to beat Sisyphus without dying? I bet it has some super cool weapons combos that will take many tries to master."
GODDAMNIT IT'S PROJECTILE BOOSTING AGAIN
I did provide other combos, too, though
@@Sheba7660 yeah I know, I was making a joke how almost every new player (including me) will almost exclusively use projectile boosting once they figure out you can do that, until the game forces them to change the strategy in order to progress
@@VadoF1 I was joking, too. Really hard to convey certain types of humor over text.
It is kinda funny how effective proboosting vs sisyphus is, but only once you've mastered his moveset
@@VadoF1 I like projectile boosting so much that half of my deaths in cybergrind are from them
Time to Grind! I'll P-Rank this yet! GUNZERKER STYLE!!!
I just got a flashback to borderlands 2
I would imagine Minos being the bottom he is would be forced to sit on his knees on Sisyphus’s lap just so he can be of reach of kissing Sisy passionately
Ultrakill player try not to have gay thoughts challenge (impossible)
Stop talking.
Sanest ultrakill fan:
it cost you nothing to not say this
+FISTFUL OF
DOLLAR
+RICOSHOT x4
Yourself
The Soulja Boy Intro was the hardest intro I have ever witnessed
Just beat p-2 for the first time. D rank. I'm sure I'll be coming back to this video quite a bit in the near future!
See you around!
You uploaded this on the very same day I p ranked it myself bro im gonna cry 😭😭😭
You can use subtitles to know what is the silent movement in the phase change
how does every one have such an easy time with Sisyphus I actually find him harder than the Gauntlet :/
Everyone is different. I used to find him waaaay harder, but I basically stomped the gauntlet on my first run because I played a lot of cybergrind. Did you try fighting him at 50% speed to learn his attacks?
@@Sheba7660 Yeah, I did. I know how to dodge all of his attacks now and when to parry.
@@dekokiri9961 Sounds like you'll eventually be able to master his fight. Just give it time.
@@Sheba7660 Thank you! I just beat Sisyphus Prime first try, but not the gauntlet or the Panopticon though lol
@@dekokiri9961 Just keep trying, you just gotta get lucky once! After beating it once, it instantly becomes easier for some reason.
thank u SO MUCH for helping me understand all sisyphus' attacks I FINALLY P-RANKED P-2 ON STANDARD
Good job! Hope it wasn't toouch trouble
i was waiting for this
Hopefully it will have been worth the wait (of the world)
@@Sheba7660 lmao
As always, a wonderful video :3
Keep up the fantastic work.
Thank you! Appreciate the kind words!
I was waiting for this, excellent video as always
Thanks for the support! 🙏
thanks for the guide doc, I'm gonna try this for my normal and violent runs for P2 :>
Good luck!
@@Sheba7660 th-cam.com/video/rdFN66IuUgA/w-d-xo.html I managed to do it normal mode so thanks Doc
@@noconnection__ That's what I love to hear! See you in the next one!
@@Sheba7660 th-cam.com/video/w6A1EW9aQBc/w-d-xo.html Here's the violent run holy fucking shit that did hurt D:
Incredibly helpful, got a P rank on violent with this
Glad I was helpful!
Doing it backwards was possible before the back to the cyber grind update that took out the non collision wall. I have a run somewhere on my channel and if you used it in the speedrun you will get stopped from mods because of timer manipulation, fair.
already p rank it but i like wathing you play good job mate
Thanks! My favourite part about watching spectacle fighter type games is how you can see the unique style of each player. I hope my playstyle has brought something interesting to the table!
A good way to learn his attacks is to try to kill him on feedbacker only.
I've seen multiple people have success with this method. This is a good tip!
I am currently having problems with the Destroy attack because it sorta throws off my whole rythm
amazing guide, hope this will help me in my P rank
Didn’t expect that 7:33
True😂😂😂😂
The teleport trail isn’t really necessary to dodge his attack, just dash at the right time to avoid the damage of his slam. But stay in the air to avoid the shockwave
Bro I was so confident about being able to p rank sisy but it was a non-stop ass pound. I thought he could be as hard as minos
I will probably do this with Overhead saw blade launcher cuz I really like the saws
Yay it's here
those are some good punches quite unlike a certain other game
Oof ouch my t-rex arms
underrated and useful! Thanks :D
No problem!
The first run at P-2 took me two days, with a total playtime of about 5 hours
I died over 600 times
As someone who’s seen balance discussions online, what is your stance on deadcoining? Is it way too OP on dealing a hell ton of DMG without even giving the enemies a chance? Should it be nerfed to the ground since it came as an alternative from a previous coin-chaining tech which can instakill the corpse of Minos with a single coin by just punching it to the wall? Or is it fine to leave it untouched in the game for years of updates to come?
I think deadcoining should (and will) stay. To pull of a successful deadcoin oneshot, you need a lot of setup, and a lot of time, but most importantly, you need a lot of skill to pull it off consistently. It's easy to deadcoin with 4 coins, but it's really hard to maintain a deadcoin chain during the entire cutscene + maintain a saw trap, too.
However, I do wish we got at least a few bosses that had some protection against it, because as it stands, most bosses are beaten the exact same way. This is why the evolution of 0-5 speedruns has been more interesting to me, for example. Any boss that has a long cutscene gets instantly deleted with deadcoins in speedruns. While I think the skill involved is really cool, I do wish we had some more variety.
@@Sheba7660 maybe p-3 will be immune
@@crazybeatrice4555 I hope, because I would love to see some more strat variety
This is very thorough and helpful
I P-ranked it!!
I really needed a tutorial for this godforsaken hellpit, now to actually get a p rank 😢
Also you can most certainly parry with screwdriver, though it has to be a shotgun parry
Idk why but when i use the shortcut to sisyphus the boss is easy but when i got a perfect run i die
It's the pressure.
It will go away with time
@@Sheba7660 oh ny god i just p ranked it
@@Frummy_fruits Told you! Congrats!
@@Sheba7660 thanks
this boss just feels like a more unfair minos to me, it has the core idea of mostly just making you learn its patterns but it's not just that the patterns themselves are harder to pull off they're harder to predict and chain together too which i just think is really annoying
I kind of agree... I felt the same way when I first fought him, but over time I grew to enjoy the fight. When I want to have a good time I play p-2 instead of p-1. Even though I think Minos is overall much better (music, design, mechanics, lore...), Tenebre Rosso Sangue + the gauntlet, and then a really fast paced fight feels just right after some practice.
You might change your opinion after a while :)
@@Sheba7660 oh i don't doubt that it's a lot more fun once you're accustomed to it but it's just so much harder to even try to get accustomed to it that i don't have fun doing it
At the brutal he just got even worse: i can't even unlock shortcut because it's too hard for me
I cant get the parry timing for Sisyphus' down. And also Sisyphus prime just feels impossible to me because i literally cant see what attack hes doing most of the time his big body covers the entire screen constantly
Try playing with major assists for a while (50% speed). If you're learning him at full speed, most of his attacks feel so fast that you can't process them (or even remember what each attack looks like). Once you get good at 50% speed, try again at full speed and you'll see that you can suddenly understand every attack, you'll just need to become a bit faster, but you won't feel so confused and overwhelmed anymore.
If his big body covers the screen, just shotgun, punch, and dash away (look at my final strat before the gunzerker bit to see how and why it works)
@@Sheba7660 I feel like if I knew how to counter his 'begone' attack and his attack where he teleports above the player and then smashes down really fast i would be able to beat him.
I am able to get halfway through the last phase by using the screwdriver as soon as it becomes available and spamming nail gun overheat as often as possible.
@@ulrikahaggard9923 If you're moving diagonally, you'll almost dodge begone by the time it comes out, so you just need to correct a little bit. Buys you a bit of time to react. And his stomp attack is I think the only untelegraphed teleport attack that teleports out of your view. So If you hear him teleport, but can't see him, and he didn't say a voice line (like Begone), assume he's above you.
To be honest very cool vide, but this scream at the end of your P-rank caught me like a jumpscare
I lovered the volume, too 😅
It was my older mic, so it was really trash. Got a new one during the making of this video, so most of my future clips and all of my post production will have high audio quality 👌
edit: thanks for watching the entire thing! Keeps me motivated to stop rushing my videos towards the end.
Only true mfs p-ranked him on violent without help
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bug and water enthusiast has some good material if you need examples of attack timing and such
Definitely useful videos to watch for people who are trying to get a feel for the movement / parrying Sisyphus!
I'm trying to p rank this level again. I don't know what i'm doing with my life.
I gotta b rank but we getting there Fr
its just me or you guys also thing the rocket jump + 3 coins + punch + blue revolver is a almost impossible tech??
1, 2 coins is much easier.
It feels like 1 coin is diff 4/10.
2 coins + coin punch is like 5.
3 coins is a 10.
4 coins is over the maximum hahah
I do that because I'm confident with my coins. If that's too tough, try rocket riding to the top and dropping down with 4 coins + slab.
But coin, punch, slab is a pretty universal combo that you will start to abuse once you learn it. Addint a rocket, or +1 coin on top is pretty simple once you have the tough part down.
If you can't coin punch slabcoin on the ground, I'd recommend learning that first.
why is the thumbnail potemkin?
Sisyphus beating your ass has the same energy as a good potemkin player to me. All he's missing is a buster move. Plus, both Sisyphus and Potemkin are BIG BOYS
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Y-y-you gotta... You gotta deadcoin the b-boss *burp* , Pero
Potemkin vs Sisyphus prime
I can't. Been trying my hardest, been trying for days on end. I can't do it. I just can't beat him without dying at least ones. I know bla bla "Loser attitude", but it's so mentally draining and honestly just not fun anymore whatsoever. Some days I'm really good at the game and on other days my arms just feel weird and my aim as all fucked up.
Take a break, and come back later. You'd be surprised how much sleep/some time away helps!
@@Sheba7660 yeah I’ll try. I already got a lot better, I went from cybergrind wave 31 to 42 in one try the other day
@@chysavrc.3643holy wow 42
One question can we kill flesh panopticon before Sisyphus burst out of panopticon
Yes, but the cutscene will still play out normally. The only difference is that you will have more style. You can use cheats to kill it instantly if you want to test it
I died 167 times on first try of P-2
And I could not beat sisipus - whatever I don't know how to spell him.
I'm in pain.
Give it time. You can use the shortcut to practice the boss easily. I suggest practicing with major assists at 50% speed. It really helped me actually UNDERSTAND what was happening. And maybe take a short break. First time I beat Minos, I didn't P rank him for like 4 months cuz I took a break. Don't stress too much :)
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I started playing like 2 years ago and I came back recently to P rank everything. Act 1? EASY. P-1? Childs play. Act 2? Laughable. P-2? I GOT HUMBLED REAL QUICK.
We all had this experience, I'd say
will you ever make a guide on the updated cyber grind?
I've had it in mind, yes. I want to get good at the new grind, though. The projectile speed is throwing me off so bad. But once I'm back to about where I was (wave 68), I'll consider it. Unless somebody makes one before I do. If there is nothing I can add to the topic, there's no point in rehashing someone else's ideas.
Time will tell!
@@Sheba7660 damn i thought getting to wave 54 was hard
@@GustavWicker Rocket ride good. I do miss having my pc drop down to 30 fps and losing all my muscle memory in an instant. The amount of enemies and projectiles are ridiculous. Kinda scared of radiant enemies at the moment. I might do the entire campaign in radiant mode to relearn everything... Sounds like a good idea
@@Sheba7660 radiant enemies are eh for me unless its a radiant mindflayer or radiant drone
@@GustavWicker I pretty much only go for chargebacks vs maurices and sentries, so the timing screws with me a lot. Sentry is worse because it can hit you mid-air. But maurices can mess you up when rocket riding, too. Everything else is fine
I want you to teach me how to P on Sisyphus 😳
now p-ranking p-2 on brutal will be brutal🥹
22:50 how do you throw coins so fast?
Just good timing. It's the same speed as just spamming right click when standing still. It may just seem faster because of my mouse movement. Just get good at spam clicking, and then try to clean up your inputs until you can only click once for each coin, but as fast as the game allows you to do so. That's it.
After that you can add whatever movement or tech you like!
@@Sheba7660 oh, ok. Thanks bud
honestly dude the easiest way to get rid of the orbs is to shotgun + knuckleblaster all of them its an instakill
still tho i do end up racking 50,000 style points if you also just use knuckleblaster + shotgun on sisyphus
at the end i just plop up all my coins and shoot them
it gets the job done
shhhhhh i did sisyphus prime without parrying before
It's the easiest, yes, but railing two orbs at once is faster, meaning it's easier to get back your ability to heal before the mortar barrage starts! While it may not be a problem for you, I've seen people do the entire level perfectly, only to take it too slow at panopticon, losing their entire run.
pls can you not put extra music other than the one from default game, make harder to see what is happening in the fight
no
Soulja boy remix pls?
Just type in Tenebre Soulja Sangue by Mouthies!
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i did a 14 restart run on p-2 i suck at the game or what
It was the same for me when I was still learning
Only 14? Smh imagine not having over 1000 like me, 14 restarts only is actually pretty good
@@tabby907 the 14 restart was my 9th attempt
How do you double parry?
Shotgun parry first, then punch with the feedbacker while the game is still frozen from the shotgun parry.
The parries will stack.
If you have good timing, sometimes you can even get a projectile boost for extra damage!
Now fight Sisyphus with radiance on
Ok
@@Sheba7660 i can hear pillar men theme rumbling from far away, good luck!:D
man I cant P rank belly of the beast :(
Practice, practice, practice!
Ultrakill will nake you much better at all fps games, but you also have to be ready to get wrecked from time to time. I used to have trouble with just a single mindflayer, and had to really take my time to land a railcoin.
Now I'm bullying bosses, rocket riding, and performing aerial railcoins!
Maybe try watching someone play, or have somebody watch you, so they can help you fix your bad habits.
Most importantly, have fun!
Why else would you even be playing?
Even if you only get 70% as good as you want to be, you still improved a lot, and hopefully enjoyed the process and the reward.
Maybe I can help you a bit. What is troubling you in that level? Time, style, kills, particular room or enemy?
@@Sheba7660 I only suffer at the style points like 17.5k aint enough? 2 ultrakills aint enough?
@@dantegaming6278 You lose a bit of style every time you get hit. If you take a lot of damage, you'll have trouble getting an S in some levels, even with a high style counter from time to time. Try minimizing damage and further varying your playstyle. Coin punches and ultraricos (coin punch into slab piercer) are great for style, for exanple.
@@Sheba7660 bruh I C ranked minos :skull:
1 hour and 113 tries man I aint postin that shit my ass been clean beat
@@dantegaming6278 Minos got hands
I WIN HAHAHAHAHA
legit impossible smh
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Least damaging combo in Ultrakill
@@Sheba7660 Lmfao
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