Are you sure you got the prices right? The V Strom 400USD over the Africa Tween? I don't know about the prices in USA but in Europe (Sweden) there is a 5000 eur difference between the two bikes. The V Strom XT is much much cheaper than the Africa Tween.
Precisely why I went with the Africa Twin Adv Sports DCT. With a msrp of around $ 17 thousand for the V-Storm, there was no way I would it over the Africa Twin Adv Sports, DCT. The ATAS is far more equipped than the Wee 1050. If we had the Euro price difference, I may have considered the Wee 1050.
@@renano95 I think you mean the lowest trim v strom is 13k, and the highest trim AT is 17k. The bottom AT is actually like 14. And the highest v strom is around 16k
For all those complaining about the weight of adventure bikes just keep riding your dirt bikes. They are completely different animals the Gold standard for these type of bikes are the GS 1250 and KTM 1290 they are very heavy too. If you don't want to ride big bikes off road then don't, go dual sport or pure dirt bike they make those too.
Honestly unless you plan on crushing 1000KM days all the time the 1250’s and 1290’s are pretty pointless. The industry as a whole is shifting towards smaller bikes again. I have a Tenere 700 now and on 50/50 tires it’s still pretty unwieldy in the tight technical stuff. I’m not even sure why they bother putting dirt oriented tires on the big bikes.
I agree with you Doug. When I take a long "explore America" trip of 6000 miles with as much "not too technical" dirt and gravel roads as I can find I take my R1200GS and have a great time in comfort. When I want to do some real dirt riding I haul my KTM 500exc out to the area in the back of my pickup and have a blast with it. Different bikes for different missions.
The Honda AT 1100 is not in the same weight class as the GS1250, nor of the KTM1290. As stated in the video, the base AT sits at 220 kg the base GS1250 sits at 250 kg. The base T700 sits at 206 kg. The chassis and suspension of the AT makes it superior for off-roading to everything in its class, and the one below and above it. It is the only big enduro bike (1000 cc and above) that has multiple open class enduro wins out of the box on its track record. It is also the only big enduro bike that is enjoyable off road for novice riders, the rest just don't have that feeling of being in control in the more technical oriented tracks.
My 1290 SAR can go anywhere my skill can take it. I also own an XR650R, so yes a proper off-road built bike is always preferable the looser things become. Regardless, anything with plates is likely going to be compromised when ridden in dirt (my XR included and it's objectively light). Every pound over 300 has a literal impact on the soft ground you're riding on, because physics.
And possibly a wayyyyyyyyyy better bike than the new one... apart from the looks - I do like the new styling. The old bike makes similar power, but is 15kg lighter than the new one, doesn't have any stupid rider aides, has better (maybe) dual-purpose suspension, high exhausts, and will still smoke sportbikes on a windy road (in the right hands obviously). I owned a 2003 and loved it.
@@actstuntcam I can't imagine it ever leaving the stable. It replaced an identical bike that crashed into a deer @65 in July '03. I walked away from that crash saying "I gotta get me another one of these."
@@Bdub1952 Yeah, I've sold about three bikes I miss and really regret selling. Tin Tank DRZ400 (Amazing), VStrom1000, and my ZX9B4. I had a mint KTM950ADV, which was fairly incredible off-road, but never really fell in love with it like my Vstrom (I think I'm a strange fish though.) :)
Love the new retro styling for the Vstrom, epecially in the yellow livery. I think a better comparison would be to compare the Versys 1000 against the V-Strom. Both are road-biased large ADV's.
I am starting to think the same. I was really looking at the V-Strom (both the 650 and 1050) for my trip through Central and South America, but watching reviews about the African Twin and it really is intriguing me. My main concern is that I really wanted a bike that it a great road touring bike, and the Honda with the 21" front wheel does feel a bit sluggish on the road. For what I keep hearing. Also, the V-Strom's seat lower to the ground, and I am 5'8", tall for a girl, but those bikes are not built for people my height. Even though after watching this video she makes me feel like a dumbass for even thinking that the Honda is too tall. th-cam.com/video/oOD9NnTevH0/w-d-xo.html Another bike that is really intriguing me and some claim it is better than the African Twin, is the KTM 790 Adventure. Specifically the R or the R Rally models. But with KTM's having issues with oil leaks and some other reliability issues, specially those bikes coming out of their new factory in China, KTM dealers being harder to find in some countries, and KTM's lousy warranty (which ONLY covers the engine, transmission, and rear swingarm), makes the Honda best suited for world traveling. But damn, KTM is doing some great stuff with their bikes. If they only tested their amazing innovations rigorously before pushing it out on their production bikes, lowered the price of their bikes a bit more, and fixed their oil leak issues, they could make the bike to beat. After all, they didn't win Dakar (the mother of all rally endurance racing) for like 19-20 years in the row purely out of luck. Until ironically a Honda beat them this year (2020). But what is impressive is them wining the Dakar Race that many years unbeaten. That is something that I do not see another manufacture do ever again. If you are not familiar with the Dakar race, here is a break down of it. "The Dakar Rally is not for the weak - roughly 9,000 kilometers (5,600 miles) of rocks, sand washes, dunes, desert roads, water crossings, wildlife and everything else in between makes it the ultimate test of man and machine. The event is held in January and is open to both amateurs and professionals. The rally is divided into 15 stages that one must ride (or drive) about 500 miles each day! Hundreds sign up but only a few will actually finish."
I bought the vstrom and im happy with. I dont go offroad, adv cause im 1,9m tall. The best on this bike is the motor. First weekend with this bike, i rode 600km and it was beautiful. I like the old AT,the new have too much electronics. I wanna ride,not playing computer. And i dont like the design of the ATs. But,this is my opinion and the AT is SURE a great bike.
both great. Key differentiator: AT has great ground clearance; Vstrom ground clearance sux and sux worse once a crash plate is installed. Vstrom excels in the corners with 19 inch front tire. AT 21 inch tire is not as good in the twisties on pavement. So, pick your preferred surface and the choice will become obvious....
Yamaha Tenere 1200 and Honda Africa Twin are 30/70 (30% on road + 70% Off road), Suzuki V Strom and Kawasaki Versys are 70/30 (70% on road + 30% off road). BMW and Ducati are 100% in garage only.
I believe they did say that, not with those same words. Like when they mentioned the front wheel size difference, sitting position, and so on. Or may be you are right and I read between the lines.
I will take the Suzuki. It's a bullet proof bike. Its like an old Jeep Cherokee that will do just about anything you want and last for ever. Where 80 percent of ADV riders ride you can take any street bike. Less electronics is better. Less to go wrong. V-Strom all the way.
A poor test. I am amazed you ran the two bikes on different tyres as that is one of the bigger influences for off roading. I have ridden both and the V Strom is the more complete motorcycle for doing everything well.
Owned more than a dozen bikes currently have a BMW 1150 rt tourer and a Suzuki V strom DL 650A year 2015 adventure...Vstrom became one of the best bikes ever owned. Fyi: I was ready to buy the AT but I felt it to tall and heavy to be off road. Vstrom winned ! ! Keep up the good no bias Videos
I purchased a 2019 leftover Africa Twin manual tranny for 10,9. I kept the stock tires on for about 800 miles (first service) I then had a pair of Dunlop Trailmax Missions mounted. It was like night and day difference on dirt. To me, you can't really judge how the bike does off road with the OEM tires. Any bike will suck with OEM tires. For a true review, please mount dirt oriented tires for the off road part of the review. You see this over and over again, OEM tires on an adventure bike and the reviewer states that the bike doesn't really handle all that well off road. Duh!
Good point, but for the regular guy purchasing a new bike, they're most likely to check youtube. The manufactures should outfit their bike with the correct tires instead of cutting corners.
@@WhatTimeIsIt369 I mounted a set of Dunlop Trailmax Missions on my Africa Twin. It was like night and day. I will buy these again. I think they come in the size you need. Here's a review - www.advpulse.com/adv-news/dunlop-trailmax-mission-long-term-review/
I've owned a 2014 V-Strom since new and even though it listed for $12,600 way back then, I paid $9300 for it. I've ridden it in many different conditions, including some off road, and have been pleased with it. I'm not an off road guy, more of a sport bike rider who's aged out of sportbikes. The Strom has been stone axe reliable. The only thing I don't like is the 19" front wheel. I wish it were a 17" so I could have more tire choices. I can't imagine how crazy it is to find 21" front tires with any sort of sporting intent.
@@boomerhgt No, it was the standard bike. Would love to try the DCT though. Its strange how a bike designed for off-road (21inch front wheel) can fee so good on road! Amazing engineering.
They came to a conclusion on this video. Nice work with the drones, and excellent editing. I remember years ago a video with a ton of wind noise. MO has come a long way. Also, thanks for coming to a clear conclusion!
The winner! Triumph Tiger 900 Rally is $15000 in Shenandoah, TX. TFT, cruise, all LED, tubeless, cornering TC/ABS, quickshifter, Brembos, Showa off road suspension.
Realistically people don't buy vstroms for off road. I own one and I use it because it's comfortable and is ideal for my long commute to work in often bad weather.
You are occupying so much of my time with these great videos, only now do I realise the effort of making these videos after starting to do my own channel. Well done. Enjoy, stay safe!
my v-strom abs can trick out if its on the center stand running in 2nd gear. then neutral after the fault light comes on. its easier than pulling a fuse especially when the seat is loaded up with camping stuff
I would have thought that the more accurate comparison would have been the V-Strom 1050XT vs the AT Adventure Sports version, but it surprised me that you said even for a road day you would choose the AT. Would you say the same for a cross country trip?
It's amazing to me they suggest 500lbs bikes as off-road anything. You can drive anything on a gravel or dirt roads. I do love the seating position on the "adventure" bikes and the power is fun, but none of them are off road machines.
With the right tires and in the right hands, they can rock. But they simply are best suited to the slab and an occasional fire road where they really shine.
@@gastonrivera3478 is it? in belgium its not , for a bmw gs you pay 6k more, the suzuki is great value( in belgium) when you compaire it to other bikes witch cost more then 6000 euro's extra
@@pieterschellinck8293 And a similiar triumph 900 is 3 to 4 grand more, also my local dealer has one of the 1050XA for sale at 14,799 CAD, THATS A STEAL!
I've been a subscriber to your channel for years and have appreciated your reviews and information on many different bikes. Guys, please don't take this to heart (my opinion) but I feel you need to throw a little more pizzazz into your reviews. I've been subscribing now for a few years to Fortnine and Ryan F9...WOW!! I look forward when he post's a review. Maybe I'm just getting older and suffering from ADHD I don't know but that was 20 minutes long of basically just talking. Else, maybe shorten the length of the video. I still read your website, am a fan and thanks again for the info.
They are different type of reviews, one tries to make a great film about anything and these guys make a good looking chilling review, as long as you really want to learn about how the bike feels. Everything else is just a test ride away
I've said much on my channel about the long term value of the V-Strom (I've got over 65,000 miles on mine and have detailed how well the engine components have held up over time), but at this new price with the Honda AT on the market, Suzuki is challenged as pointed out in this video. I'd be interested to know if the AT holds up as well over time...50,000 miles +.
@@sonhuynh106 Any knowledge I have of the 250cc model is purely academic as they have not released the V-Strom 250 for sale in the USA. I can't comment with any authority.
@@musguelha14 I hear you. I'm a Big Red fan going way back. But I also like the Suzuki. I've got 66,000 on my V-Strom right now and it has been flawless. It was inexpensive too.
Suzuki had me at gear driven cams. That sound is so awesome and no chain tensioner and crap to worry about. For people that do touring mostly but stray occasionally on dirt roads, I see no reason to choose the Honda. Here it is a bout $2k more expensive and not as well equipped. The top model AT with the twin lights and taller screen looks sweet but that is just silly expensive.
In 2016 I purchased the AT in red, black and white with a 6 speed. Yes the OEM tires are a joke. The bike needed a lot of upgrades. So I spent another 3k over the 13k. I'm mixed with the size of these bikes. I won't do that again. The Africa Twin looks to be offered in three models. I believe the base model with some additional add on's would be all I would require.
I would have a dedicated set of road tires for the week and knobby tires for trail riding on either. It’s convenient to have tires that can do both on the Africa Twin but the compromises are not worth it.
i like both, i'd probably go for a vstrom just because the pricing is bound to plunge before years end, let alone leftovers from last gen. That being said, the AT's new dash is just too ridiculous in terms of complexity and over complication in operation. And thats coming from a KTM 1290 super adv owner.
That was the test I was waiting for. How times have changed, I remember the review from 2 years ago how Troy really liked the old Vstrom and called it a winner for the price of all big adventure bikes. I ride the 2019 Suzuki XT and I love it. I dont like how the new bike gained 15 kg compared to my old XT and tourque higher up since motor was great on the old one. So Suzuki should upgrade the chasis to keep weight dont how Honda did but they missed the opportunity to make more improvement for the 2020. And also not that I need it, where is a TFT screen? Kawasaki has it, Honda also and Suzuki again stayed behind. So I will just enjoy my 2019 XT because it has it all but the cruise control. Grettings from Slovenia.
sky works I don’t work for this company but my mate has it on his V-Strom 1000 and loves it. www.mccruise.com/products/suzuki-dl1000-v-strom-from-2014?_pos=5&_sid=1273349a6&_ss=r
I’m pretty sure the weight gain comes from the skid plate, crash bars, and bigger screen. All things we add to our bikes anyways. So I don’t think any weight has been “added”. Shame about the torque band moving up higher. That low down grunt was the best part about the ‘17-‘19 models.
@@jaywhoisit4863 agree, my thoughts also for the weight gain, plus there's a cost saving on not having to add extras later! the crash bar is substantial, as good as any aftermarket offering! Plus centre stand and new oil cooler also adds to weight, many reviews have suggested the higher revs for torque has improved the engine! I think a test ride is the way forward! rather than listening to what these fellas have to say, if you can manage to watch it all without nodding off😴
The Vstrom does come with more amenities than the Honda if I am not mistaken. The Vstrom 1050 XT has cruise control, center stand, heated grips, and crash bars straight off the lot. For a tourer, I think having these things already installed is practical , although I don't know if these justify $400 more in value.
In 1998 the TLS had 120 bhp 30 years later less power and less character, is that an improvement, be interesting to Dyno a TLS and Vstrom back to back.
Good work Guys ty ,as a Suzuki fan im somewhat disappointed in the lack of innovation owning a 14 same engine and frame little effort from Suzuki shows in your honest review ,when shops are still unloading 18 and 19 models here in Canada,Suzuki is being lapped ,and with the price increase shortening the gap to Honda even the sport model is only 3 and half grand more, So Suzuki needs to come to the ring with their gloves on. this is a poor showing after 6 years ,Suzuki you know better,
У меня V strom 1000, 2017... Я уже не молод и мне очень нравится универсальность этого байка. Мне удобно в городе, на трассе и даже если я хочу поехать на природу - мне комфортно!
there is no doubt the africa twin is a better bike, but at a bigger price. Each bike has their market, if you are a casual rider then I think the V-Strom is the best bet.
Africa Twin could very well be the better bike but I have to say I like the looks of the Suzuki a lot more. Pretty much all of my riding's highway anyhow, although I'm not saying I'd never go off the pavement. Personally I feel bikes are getting way too complex with all these electronics, ... so it's not much wonder they cost as much as they do now. I kind of wonder how all of us old guys and gals ever got along without that high tech stuff. ;)
Even compared to the 2019 Atas, the engine felt much stronger on the Honda then on the brand new V-strom. Suzuki gave an offroad looking bike a sportbike like behaving engine... The two combined just don't work together. I had loads of issues with my Atas, so I was hoping to get the V-strom instead, but hell my smile was washed off after the vstroms testride. Even the sound was yuck on the V-strom, compared to the rumblin of the Atas. I think Suzuki miscalculated a bit with this bike. Good comparison, legit review! Cheers
@@Light_ninjaroblox It doesn't even come close. The Atas corners, accelerates and sounds way better then the V-strom... and not to mention looks better as well.
@@szaesz8190 If we're talking 1000 strom and 1000 At, on the Road, not dirt, in my experience the strom is quicker in the twisties, better to end and the 21" front wheel on the AT isn't as good on road as the 19" on the vstrom. The AT is a much better looking bike without doubt, but that's reflected in the price in the UK
@@Light_ninjaroblox Not really, the 1050 top spec is at 14k £. On paper the V-strom is stronger, in reality it wouldn't compete with my 2019 Atas. You need to testride it, and you'll see what I'm talking about. The V-strom just doesn't add up. Looks like an adventure bike, wants to behave like an old sportsbike, it just doesn't work. The power delivery also on the V-strom is just nowhere compared to the Africa.
ok the Africa twin is better off road but for a total use with 80% of paved roads and 20% of dirt roads .. in the end which is the easiest? the fastest ?? the most fun when cornering and when changing direction? the most protective? the one that has a more complete basic set-up? (central stand .. fairing guard .. luggage rack etc.) if you put these aspects together then maybe the Suzuki is a more complete bike
As an Android user the appleplay facility 8s useless, I think they need to consider changing that as the tech on the bike is great but it eliminates half the market. Triumph have an app to link ur phone to on the new tigers I think that is the way forward. Shame otherwise the AT is the real deal
As an owner of a 2020AT, I can say Car Play on the bike is awful. Love Car Play on my Insight, it's just not right on the bike. The touchscreen turns off if you're moving so instead you find yourself choosing options with buttons on the handlebar, which is kinda like entering text on your TV with the provided remote's arrow buttons. But you're on the freeway. Oh and it will only connect once or twice before refusing to work until you forget everything and set it up again. I run a quad lock case connected to a mirror mount and charge it off the bike's USB so the phone's display won't turn off. I'd bet an Android version would have the same problems, just use your phone, the interface is already set up for simplicity and ease of use, KISS!
Hey Guys! Thank you for doing this piece. I want to really like this new 'Strom, as I do prefer the basic look of the 'Strom over the AT, but... the price point doesn't make sense to me. There is nothing to suggest this bike is worth that kind of money. The strength of the Suzuki has always been the value proposition the bikes bring. But they have taken that away, and now I don't see the need to even consider it. At least, these are my initial thoughts with no seat time. In all honesty I think something like a Tiger 900 Rally is more appealing to me. Or the New GS 850, if you dare go down the BMW Rabbit hole, which frankly I'd rather not. But like you guys say, if you HAD to spend your own money on one of these two, I would buy the Africa Twin. Thanks again!
Here in the UK in 2022, the difference between an A/T and a V-Strom (on discount, cast wheels) is about $7000(7 thousand). You're better buying a V-Strom and spending €5000 on a Hessler or Trail deCouverte Concept kit, far better off-road bike with switchable ABS.
Yes, tires and a off road gear-set will change the characteristics of both bikes. Drop some air pressure in the tires will definitely help the bikes feel planted too the trails... Caution too how much pressure you can drop incase a person hits a bolder on the edge of the roads. Question time, which of these bikes would be better suited for slow speed tractor mode in the nasty stuff. You know, when things need slow motion and some navigating. Don from Western Canada
Obviously price policy is different in US because in Finland Suzuki 1050xt is 2k euros cheaper and basic version of Suzuki is almost 4K cheaper compared with Africa twin. On US market no doubt Africa wins the battle on my market not that obvious situation 🤔
Just found this review. No offense but after riding both it's laughable to say the africa twin is as good as the xt1050 on road. It's just not true. The africa twin is a tall heavy bike. Not that the xt isn't but the love affair with the africa bike is old. The bike is massive. It's also ugly. As is the xt. Neither bike will see more than gravel roads with 90% of their owners. If ya want an offroad adventure bike get a t7. Ya want to tour and do gravel roads get a gs. If ya want to make friends with your service department get a ktm.
How would these compare with the Super Tenere 1200? Surprised that the Honda with its Dirt bike ergos and seat would be better than the Vstrom on the road. Found the Gen1 AT to be very crude
D Gomes simplicity of Gen1 AT is refreshing and one of the many reasons I like mine. New Gen1 AT’s still available for around $9000 USD - a great value!
The AT is just a better and more refined machine in every way. I think it’s a strange comparison. The VS is a bike that you use to commute and ride into the hills for a coffee. On the weekend
I have the r1200gs and bought the 1050xt more. I was going to sell the gs, but due to different personalities, I ended up riding both. Both are good bikes.
I don‘t get the criticism of the Suzuki torque curve - practically all other reviews said that while maximum torque comes in abit higher, the overall torque curve has been flattened.
It does not make sense, only in your country you have the same price, all over the world there is a 25% difference, the Suzuki is cheaper. And that Changes the equation.
Multistrada was 7 year old when I bought it 2010 model kept it 3 years 23000 miles when I sold it only thing that broke was a rubber bobbin for dash.but servicing is expensive.
19 inch front wheels on the road don't change direction as well as 17 inch and your choice of tyres isn't as good my multistrada had 17 inch wheels by far the best size for pure road use which is where 99 percent are ridden
I think the vstrom here has is a pricier engine being a v-twin to manufacture . Hence the price , ...also along with it the advantages of it which I Guess is also arguable. But had a Varadero once and loved the V-twin engine.
Hello to the motorbike community. I have a question for anyone with the knowledge and experience. I am contemplating buying a brand new ADV this spring. I basically have it narrowed it down to 2 options. Option A) 2023 Honda Africa Twin Super Adventure Manual. Like the style and look, I am concerned about the continual maintenance on the chain. It is not uncommon for me to jump on my current bike and put ~500 km's on it in a day on the weekend (311 miles). I am also concerned about the comfort, both in the seat and wind protection. I read lots of information and people love them and of course people will gripe as well and for good reason, experience on the bike. Everyone is different. Is this bike going to be comfortable enough for a few very long days in the saddle from time to time? Although we all get off our bikes every 2-3 hours to fuel on a long trip, still good to have really good comfort when needed. Is this bike the one to have if a person gets an upholsterer to redo the seat to your butt contours? Will that make it an awesome long haul machine? Option B) 2023 Yamaha Super Tenene 1200. I understand this bike is boring (perhaps compared to some of the competition) but with that come great all day comfort in the saddle and super easy maintenance and reliability. Maybe not as much fun as some of the competition, but my current bike also has shaft drive and has had zero issues in 13 years of ownership. So maybe I don't want to give up reliability and low maintenance? Also, perhaps the Tenere is reaching it's last year of production, what happens if they do this year and I want to own the bike for 10+ years? This bike that I buy will be a long long time purchase and possibly my last bike (maybe not), but as we get older we look for more comfort. The riding I will do is 80-90% on the pavement and 10-20% gravel and fire roads. HOWEVER, I live an hour away from the mountains and perhaps with an ADV, that ratio will switch to less highway and more gravel/fire roads..........we'll see, the ADV could open a whole new chapter in my riding. The Honda would be a no brainer, but does the Yamaha do the same job with a little less fun factor? Would love feedback from all people that have/had either or both bikes and let me know based on your experience and knowledge. Thank you!
US pricing seems odd. Here in Oz the 2020 Africa Twin is $22268 (AUD) ride away and the Adventure Sports version is $26106 (or $29206 with DCT and electronic suspension). Comparatively the V-Strom 1050XT is $20990 and the standard 1050 is $17990. Even so, I'd say the Suzuki seems over priced (maybe if they threw in the aluminium panniers and heated grips for that price rather than wanting a few thousand extra).
@@chrishart8548 not at all, pants size is 33-30, just sat on another one yesterday, with the seat in the low position, my vstrom, I’m on the balls of my feet.
Nice video, the two are awesome bikes. I know the Africa wins this one, still I like more the Suzuki. In the other hand I think this bikes are way too big, the Honda NC750, Suzuki Vstrom 650 or Kawasaki Versys 650 are enough and jack of all trade bikes.
Actually ... this is not a matching comparison in anyways. I got to test ride both bikes and the only thing that stands out regarding the V-Strom is its Engine. The AT is in every regard the better package considering both price points. Sure ... the V-Strom is easier to access but all the electronics of the AT are not that complicated as I first thought. You are getting used to it pretty fast, especially due to its tochscreen. What interested me the most was the Suspension of the new AT and it did not disappoint. Also a huge plus for Honda. IMHO there is absolutely no reason to choose a V-Strom over the AT (except you are a fan of Suzuki and the V-Strom). Suzuki should have done more or lower the price significantly. It's sad that Suzuki wasn't able to improve the V-Strom more.
Is this even a comparison? Unless the V-Strom has stepped up its game SIGNIFICANTLY, the African Twin hands down. I haven’t seen ONE video that has even suggested a V-Strom could handle serious off-roading
Are you sure you got the prices right? The V Strom 400USD over the Africa Tween? I don't know about the prices in USA but in Europe (Sweden) there is a 5000 eur difference between the two bikes. The V Strom XT is much much cheaper than the Africa Tween.
I was thinking the same
Precisely why I went with the Africa Twin Adv Sports DCT. With a msrp of around $ 17 thousand for the V-Storm, there was no way I would it over the Africa Twin Adv Sports, DCT. The ATAS is far more equipped than the Wee 1050. If we had the Euro price difference, I may have considered the Wee 1050.
Yeah idk where they got those prices from the v strom I think goes for 13k the AT goes for like 17
Cheaper as it should. Prices being the same, the choice is a no brainer. If you have a little less money to spend, the V-strom is still a great bike.
@@renano95 I think you mean the lowest trim v strom is 13k, and the highest trim AT is 17k. The bottom AT is actually like 14. And the highest v strom is around 16k
I got last years V-Strom for 8500 out the door. Now that’s a deal that knocks out the competition.
That's the way to buy a bike!
Same. Got a 1000XT Adventure for $9600.
Good Job!! It's my experience that no one ever pays MSRP on any VStrom including 2020 models. And the longevity and reliability are outstanding.
Maybe I can find a BMW gs1250 for that.....🤣
@@ruinerfixxxer Yes, in 5 years, for one with 60k miles on the clock.
Just I bought the Africa twin 1000 L 2017 model.. What a bike!!!
For all those complaining about the weight of adventure bikes just keep riding your dirt bikes. They are completely different animals the Gold standard for these type of bikes are the GS 1250 and KTM 1290 they are very heavy too. If you don't want to ride big bikes off road then don't, go dual sport or pure dirt bike they make those too.
Honestly unless you plan on crushing 1000KM days all the time the 1250’s and 1290’s are pretty pointless. The industry as a whole is shifting towards smaller bikes again. I have a Tenere 700 now and on 50/50 tires it’s still pretty unwieldy in the tight technical stuff. I’m not even sure why they bother putting dirt oriented tires on the big bikes.
I agree with you Doug. When I take a long "explore America" trip of 6000 miles with as much "not too technical" dirt and gravel roads as I can find I take my R1200GS and have a great time in comfort. When I want to do some real dirt riding I haul my KTM 500exc out to the area in the back of my pickup and have a blast with it. Different bikes for different missions.
The Honda AT 1100 is not in the same weight class as the GS1250, nor of the KTM1290. As stated in the video, the base AT sits at 220 kg the base GS1250 sits at 250 kg. The base T700 sits at 206 kg. The chassis and suspension of the AT makes it superior for off-roading to everything in its class, and the one below and above it. It is the only big enduro bike (1000 cc and above) that has multiple open class enduro wins out of the box on its track record. It is also the only big enduro bike that is enjoyable off road for novice riders, the rest just don't have that feeling of being in control in the more technical oriented tracks.
My 1290 SAR can go anywhere my skill can take it. I also own an XR650R, so yes a proper off-road built bike is always preferable the looser things become. Regardless, anything with plates is likely going to be compromised when ridden in dirt (my XR included and it's objectively light). Every pound over 300 has a literal impact on the soft ground you're riding on, because physics.
@@DMSparky in mind that 90% rider use them for tour.. And light short offroad..
My '02 V-Strom just clicked over 60k. Best bike purchase ever.
And possibly a wayyyyyyyyyy better bike than the new one... apart from the looks - I do like the new styling. The old bike makes similar power, but is 15kg lighter than the new one, doesn't have any stupid rider aides, has better (maybe) dual-purpose suspension, high exhausts, and will still smoke sportbikes on a windy road (in the right hands obviously). I owned a 2003 and loved it.
@@actstuntcam I can't imagine it ever leaving the stable. It replaced an identical bike that crashed into a deer @65 in July '03. I walked away from that crash saying "I gotta get me another one of these."
@@Bdub1952 Yeah, I've sold about three bikes I miss and really regret selling. Tin Tank DRZ400 (Amazing), VStrom1000, and my ZX9B4. I had a mint KTM950ADV, which was fairly incredible off-road, but never really fell in love with it like my Vstrom (I think I'm a strange fish though.) :)
Just rolled over 50k miles on my 02 Vee! Love the ol' girl
My 06 just clicked over 75k. I could not have made a better purchase at the time!
Love the new retro styling for the Vstrom, epecially in the yellow livery. I think a better comparison would be to compare the Versys 1000 against the V-Strom. Both are road-biased large ADV's.
Now let's try a comparisson between v strom 1050 DE and África twin, cause both has inspired same target
I'm starting to think that base model Africa Twin may be that unicorn bike everyone is looking for.
Yes, some kind of.. 🤔
what??? Yamaha Tenere 700 is the bike
It really is one in the right hands.
I am starting to think the same. I was really looking at the V-Strom (both the 650 and 1050) for my trip through Central and South America, but watching reviews about the African Twin and it really is intriguing me. My main concern is that I really wanted a bike that it a great road touring bike, and the Honda with the 21" front wheel does feel a bit sluggish on the road. For what I keep hearing. Also, the V-Strom's seat lower to the ground, and I am 5'8", tall for a girl, but those bikes are not built for people my height. Even though after watching this video she makes me feel like a dumbass for even thinking that the Honda is too tall. th-cam.com/video/oOD9NnTevH0/w-d-xo.html
Another bike that is really intriguing me and some claim it is better than the African Twin, is the KTM 790 Adventure. Specifically the R or the R Rally models. But with KTM's having issues with oil leaks and some other reliability issues, specially those bikes coming out of their new factory in China, KTM dealers being harder to find in some countries, and KTM's lousy warranty (which ONLY covers the engine, transmission, and rear swingarm), makes the Honda best suited for world traveling. But damn, KTM is doing some great stuff with their bikes. If they only tested their amazing innovations rigorously before pushing it out on their production bikes, lowered the price of their bikes a bit more, and fixed their oil leak issues, they could make the bike to beat.
After all, they didn't win Dakar (the mother of all rally endurance racing) for like 19-20 years in the row purely out of luck. Until ironically a Honda beat them this year (2020). But what is impressive is them wining the Dakar Race that many years unbeaten. That is something that I do not see another manufacture do ever again. If you are not familiar with the Dakar race, here is a break down of it.
"The Dakar Rally is not for the weak - roughly 9,000 kilometers (5,600 miles) of rocks, sand washes, dunes, desert roads, water crossings, wildlife and everything else in between makes it the ultimate test of man and machine. The event is held in January and is open to both amateurs and professionals. The rally is divided into 15 stages that one must ride (or drive) about 500 miles each day! Hundreds sign up but only a few will actually finish."
@@BikerGirlTraveler what do you think about Yamaha Tracer 9?
Insane how I never realized how much I like having a center stand on a bike till I bought the Fz6 with it and now it makes wrenching so much easier
I bought the vstrom and im happy with. I dont go offroad, adv cause im 1,9m tall.
The best on this bike is the motor.
First weekend with this bike, i rode 600km and it was beautiful.
I like the old AT,the new have too much electronics. I wanna ride,not playing computer.
And i dont like the design of the ATs.
But,this is my opinion and the AT is SURE a great bike.
both great. Key differentiator: AT has great ground clearance; Vstrom ground clearance sux and sux worse once a crash plate is installed. Vstrom excels in the corners with 19 inch front tire. AT 21 inch tire is not as good in the twisties on pavement. So, pick your preferred surface and the choice will become obvious....
Yamaha Tenere 1200 and Honda Africa Twin are 30/70 (30% on road + 70% Off road), Suzuki V Strom and Kawasaki Versys are 70/30 (70% on road + 30% off road). BMW and Ducati are 100% in garage only.
I agree that statement bro..but the kawasaki for me total not suitable for off road even 30%
@@smoothoperatorradio4427 figuratively..."Japanese bikes are reliable" was what I trying to say.
100 %garage only😂😂😂😂👍
Where I live the XT is 4000USD cheaper. I want the AT, but I can't rationalize it.
Something is wrong with the review. Suzuki is definitely more road biased
I believe they did say that, not with those same words. Like when they mentioned the front wheel size difference, sitting position, and so on. Or may be you are right and I read between the lines.
I will take the Suzuki. It's a bullet proof bike. Its like an old Jeep Cherokee that will do just about anything you want and last for ever. Where 80 percent of ADV riders ride you can take any street bike. Less electronics is better. Less to go wrong. V-Strom all the way.
Nope if your talking bullet proof Honda is king of bullet proof..Africa Twin for me
@@boomerhgt Actually statistically Yamaha has the least amount of errors of any manufacturer. That said, Honda has a few % less faults than Suzuki.
I’m planning on getting the AT within a month.
So sorry for you.... I understand your deception..... V strom is so much better...!
@@falchiherve2024 hahahaha..
Just give both bikes a try on the road ........you ll go for the Suzie
Falchi Hervé I already got the AT. Thanks though!
Africa Twin is freaking awesome I have a 2017 DCT I love the damn thing
A poor test. I am amazed you ran the two bikes on different tyres as that is one of the bigger influences for off roading. I have ridden both and the V Strom is the more complete motorcycle for doing everything well.
love my Strom!!
Just bought a 2020 1050XT Adventure and it's sooo good!
Owned more than a dozen bikes currently have a BMW 1150 rt tourer and a Suzuki V strom DL 650A year 2015 adventure...Vstrom became one of the best bikes ever owned. Fyi: I was ready to buy the AT but I felt it to tall and heavy to be off road. Vstrom winned ! ! Keep up the good no bias Videos
Hey guys, why don't you opt for the regular V Strom 1050 instead of the XT? Saves you around 2k and possibly the new to go to option of the two?
I have the vstrom .best bike and will last forever
I purchased a 2019 leftover Africa Twin manual tranny for 10,9. I kept the stock tires on for about 800 miles (first service) I then had a pair of Dunlop Trailmax Missions mounted. It was like night and day difference on dirt. To me, you can't really judge how the bike does off road with the OEM tires. Any bike will suck with OEM tires. For a true review, please mount dirt oriented tires for the off road part of the review. You see this over and over again, OEM tires on an adventure bike and the reviewer states that the bike doesn't really handle all that well off road. Duh!
Good point, but for the regular guy purchasing a new bike, they're most likely to check youtube. The manufactures should outfit their bike with the correct tires instead of cutting corners.
@@WhatTimeIsIt369 I mounted a set of Dunlop Trailmax Missions on my Africa Twin. It was like night and day. I will buy these again. I think they come in the size you need. Here's a review - www.advpulse.com/adv-news/dunlop-trailmax-mission-long-term-review/
I've owned a 2014 V-Strom since new and even though it listed for $12,600 way back then, I paid $9300 for it. I've ridden it in many different conditions, including some off road, and have been pleased with it. I'm not an off road guy, more of a sport bike rider who's aged out of sportbikes. The Strom has been stone axe reliable. The only thing I don't like is the 19" front wheel. I wish it were a 17" so I could have more tire choices. I can't imagine how crazy it is to find 21" front tires with any sort of sporting intent.
there's nuff choices l'd say 😊
Test rode the AT it was amazing- so well engineered. Need to try the Strom now...
Did you test the DCT it's awesome
@@boomerhgt No, it was the standard bike. Would love to try the DCT though. Its strange how a bike designed for off-road (21inch front wheel) can fee so good on road! Amazing engineering.
They came to a conclusion on this video. Nice work with the drones, and excellent editing. I remember years ago a video with a ton of wind noise. MO has come a long way. Also, thanks for coming to a clear conclusion!
Honda forever. Keep making great machines. Reliability is key. The Africa T is one of the best looking adventure bikes on the market.
V strom all the way! It has proved itself over the year's 👍.
The winner! Triumph Tiger 900 Rally is $15000 in Shenandoah, TX. TFT, cruise, all LED, tubeless, cornering TC/ABS, quickshifter, Brembos, Showa off road suspension.
@Troy.. one of the worlds best moto journalists! Stay safe guys and keep up the great work!
I chose the Suzuki
Me too,never regret it
Realistically people don't buy vstroms for off road. I own one and I use it because it's comfortable and is ideal for my long commute to work in often bad weather.
Yep.....its sold as a street bike....
You are occupying so much of my time with these great videos, only now do I realise the effort of making these videos after starting to do my own channel. Well done. Enjoy, stay safe!
my v-strom abs can trick out if its on the center stand running in 2nd gear. then neutral after the fault light comes on. its easier than pulling a fuse especially when the seat is loaded up with camping stuff
I would have thought that the more accurate comparison would have been the V-Strom 1050XT vs the AT Adventure Sports version, but it surprised me that you said even for a road day you would choose the AT. Would you say the same for a cross country trip?
It's amazing to me they suggest 500lbs bikes as off-road anything. You can drive anything on a gravel or dirt roads. I do love the seating position on the "adventure" bikes and the power is fun, but none of them are off road machines.
With the right tires and in the right hands, they can rock. But they simply are best suited to the slab and an occasional fire road where they really shine.
Africa Twin all the way!
Somebody seriously f*%^ed up at Suzuki's price-setting dept!
Hell yeah! Is a ton of money... dobt get me wrong, is a nice bike tho! But... the price is stupid high... 🥴
@@gastonrivera3478 is it? in belgium its not , for a bmw gs you pay 6k more, the suzuki is great value( in belgium) when you compaire it to other bikes witch cost more then 6000 euro's extra
@@pieterschellinck8293 bmw is in another leage 😍... even then... the suzuki vstrom is a solid bike, I have the little 250 and is fair great
@@pieterschellinck8293 And a similiar triumph 900 is 3 to 4 grand more, also my local dealer has one of the 1050XA for sale at 14,799 CAD, THATS A STEAL!
@@gastonrivera3478 - Screw BMW after they started putting Chinese Lincon engines in their chain drive dual sport bikes.
I've been a subscriber to your channel for years and have appreciated your reviews and information on many different bikes. Guys, please don't take this to heart (my opinion) but I feel you need to throw a little more pizzazz into your reviews. I've been subscribing now for a few years to Fortnine and Ryan F9...WOW!! I look forward when he post's a review. Maybe I'm just getting older and suffering from ADHD I don't know but that was 20 minutes long of basically just talking. Else, maybe shorten the length of the video. I still read your website, am a fan and thanks again for the info.
They're the absolute worst "pro" reviewers.
They are different type of reviews, one tries to make a great film about anything and these guys make a good looking chilling review, as long as you really want to learn about how the bike feels.
Everything else is just a test ride away
I agree, too much talking without saying anything.
Hard to compete with Ryan’s reviews and video production.
Love how Honda put DCT on 2 wheel. Wish others doing that too
DCT is fabulous on the Africa Twin
When it comes to commute, dct is absolutely lovely
The Suzuki got a V2 engine which is more expensive and i must honor Suzuki for keeping V2's.
I've said much on my channel about the long term value of the V-Strom (I've got over 65,000 miles on mine and have detailed how well the engine components have held up over time), but at this new price with the Honda AT on the market, Suzuki is challenged as pointed out in this video. I'd be interested to know if the AT holds up as well over time...50,000 miles +.
What is your opinion about the 250cc version of Vstrom ?
@@sonhuynh106 Any knowledge I have of the 250cc model is purely academic as they have not released the V-Strom 250 for sale in the USA. I can't comment with any authority.
It's a Honda we're talking about, of course it will be a reliable bike just like the Suzuki. 50k is nothing on either of them.
@@musguelha14 I hear you. I'm a Big Red fan going way back. But I also like the Suzuki. I've got 66,000 on my V-Strom right now and it has been flawless. It was inexpensive too.
Suzuki had me at gear driven cams. That sound is so awesome and no chain tensioner and crap to worry about. For people that do touring mostly but stray occasionally on dirt roads, I see no reason to choose the Honda. Here it is a bout $2k more expensive and not as well equipped. The top model AT with the twin lights and taller screen looks sweet but that is just silly expensive.
Those are nice bikes but man they are HUGE.
In 2016 I purchased the AT in red, black and white with a 6 speed. Yes the OEM tires are a joke. The bike needed a lot of upgrades. So I spent another 3k over the 13k. I'm mixed with the size of these bikes. I won't do that again. The Africa Twin looks to be offered in three models. I believe the base model with some additional add on's would be all I would require.
Yeah they are I just traded my Z1000 for a DCT Africa Twin the Honda is huge compared to it,,,but I'm loving the Twin that damn bike goes anywhere
I would have a dedicated set of road tires for the week and knobby tires for trail riding on either. It’s convenient to have tires that can do both on the Africa Twin but the compromises are not worth it.
i like both, i'd probably go for a vstrom just because the pricing is bound to plunge before years end, let alone leftovers from last gen. That being said, the AT's new dash is just too ridiculous in terms of complexity and over complication in operation. And thats coming from a KTM 1290 super adv owner.
That was the test I was waiting for. How times have changed, I remember the review from 2 years ago how Troy really liked the old Vstrom and called it a winner for the price of all big adventure bikes. I ride the 2019 Suzuki XT and I love it. I dont like how the new bike gained 15 kg compared to my old XT and tourque higher up since motor was great on the old one. So Suzuki should upgrade the chasis to keep weight dont how Honda did but they missed the opportunity to make more improvement for the 2020. And also not that I need it, where is a TFT screen? Kawasaki has it, Honda also and Suzuki again stayed behind. So I will just enjoy my 2019 XT because it has it all but the cruise control. Grettings from Slovenia.
sky works I don’t work for this company but my mate has it on his V-Strom 1000 and loves it. www.mccruise.com/products/suzuki-dl1000-v-strom-from-2014?_pos=5&_sid=1273349a6&_ss=r
I’m pretty sure the weight gain comes from the skid plate, crash bars, and bigger screen. All things we add to our bikes anyways. So I don’t think any weight has been “added”. Shame about the torque band moving up higher. That low down grunt was the best part about the ‘17-‘19 models.
@@jaywhoisit4863 for sure, Triumph Tiger 900 and Africa twin went with a new frame to save some weight. Agree with you.
@@jaywhoisit4863 agree, my thoughts also for the weight gain, plus there's a cost saving on not having to add extras later! the crash bar is substantial, as good as any aftermarket offering! Plus centre stand and new oil cooler also adds to weight, many reviews have suggested the higher revs for torque has improved the engine! I think a test ride is the way forward! rather than listening to what these fellas have to say, if you can manage to watch it all without nodding off😴
@@jaywhoisit4863 , yes and the centre stand.
The Vstrom does come with more amenities than the Honda if I am not mistaken. The Vstrom 1050 XT has cruise control, center stand, heated grips, and crash bars straight off the lot. For a tourer, I think having these things already installed is practical , although I don't know if these justify $400 more in value.
In 1998 the TLS had 120 bhp 30 years later less power and less character, is that an improvement, be interesting to Dyno a TLS and Vstrom back to back.
Good work Guys ty ,as a Suzuki fan im somewhat disappointed in the lack of innovation owning a 14 same engine and frame little effort from Suzuki shows in your honest review ,when shops are still unloading 18 and 19 models here in Canada,Suzuki is being lapped ,and with the price increase shortening the gap to Honda even the sport model is only 3 and half grand more, So Suzuki needs to
come to the ring with their gloves on. this is a poor showing after 6 years ,Suzuki you know better,
У меня V strom 1000, 2017... Я уже не молод и мне очень нравится универсальность этого байка. Мне удобно в городе, на трассе и даже если я хочу поехать на природу - мне комфортно!
there is no doubt the africa twin is a better bike, but at a bigger price. Each bike has their market, if you are a casual rider then I think the V-Strom is the best bet.
Have a 04 v Strom, I like it very much, will keep, suits me, but might get a drz 400 cos the v is heavy..
Africa Twin vrs Triumph Tiger 900 Rally more far matchup
Which one for 2up touring ?
I'm on an African twin. It is an enviable environment in Japan where there is no dirt road.
@@abelincoln8446 If you only drive on paved roads, the tire manufacturer CRF1000LA41 from BRIDGESTONE will be interesting.
Africa Twin could very well be the better bike but I have to say I like the looks of the Suzuki a lot more. Pretty much all of my riding's highway anyhow, although I'm not saying I'd never go off the pavement. Personally I feel bikes are getting way too complex with all these electronics, ... so it's not much wonder they cost as much as they do now. I kind of wonder how all of us old guys and gals ever got along without that high tech stuff. ;)
I wish they would make a model without all the electronics
I like the look of the V-Strom quite a bit. However, I just bought an Africa Twin. Thanks for the video!
Even compared to the 2019 Atas, the engine felt much stronger on the Honda then on the brand new V-strom. Suzuki gave an offroad looking bike a sportbike like behaving engine... The two combined just don't work together. I had loads of issues with my Atas, so I was hoping to get the V-strom instead, but hell my smile was washed off after the vstroms testride. Even the sound was yuck on the V-strom, compared to the rumblin of the Atas. I think Suzuki miscalculated a bit with this bike.
Good comparison, legit review! Cheers
I haven't ridden the 1050 vstrom, but I know the 2016 1000 vstrom out performs the 1000 At on the tarmac
@@Light_ninjaroblox It doesn't even come close. The Atas corners, accelerates and sounds way better then the V-strom... and not to mention looks better as well.
@@szaesz8190 If we're talking 1000 strom and 1000 At, on the Road, not dirt, in my experience the strom is quicker in the twisties, better to end and the 21" front wheel on the AT isn't as good on road as the 19" on the vstrom. The AT is a much better looking bike without doubt, but that's reflected in the price in the UK
Should read Top end
@@Light_ninjaroblox Not really, the 1050 top spec is at 14k £. On paper the V-strom is stronger, in reality it wouldn't compete with my 2019 Atas. You need to testride it, and you'll see what I'm talking about. The V-strom just doesn't add up. Looks like an adventure bike, wants to behave like an old sportsbike, it just doesn't work. The power delivery also on the V-strom is just nowhere compared to the Africa.
ok the Africa twin is better off road but for a total use with 80% of paved roads and 20% of dirt roads .. in the end which is the easiest? the fastest ?? the most fun when cornering and when changing direction? the most protective? the one that has a more complete basic set-up? (central stand .. fairing guard .. luggage rack etc.)
if you put these aspects together then maybe the Suzuki is a more complete bike
As an Android user the appleplay facility 8s useless, I think they need to consider changing that as the tech on the bike is great but it eliminates half the market. Triumph have an app to link ur phone to on the new tigers I think that is the way forward. Shame otherwise the AT is the real deal
As an owner of a 2020AT, I can say Car Play on the bike is awful. Love Car Play on my Insight, it's just not right on the bike. The touchscreen turns off if you're moving so instead you find yourself choosing options with buttons on the handlebar, which is kinda like entering text on your TV with the provided remote's arrow buttons. But you're on the freeway. Oh and it will only connect once or twice before refusing to work until you forget everything and set it up again. I run a quad lock case connected to a mirror mount and charge it off the bike's USB so the phone's display won't turn off.
I'd bet an Android version would have the same problems, just use your phone, the interface is already set up for simplicity and ease of use, KISS!
Africa Twin I have the 2020. I love the Vstrom. Rode it through 1300 miles in Thailand. But My Africa Twin is just better.
Can you swap the rims on the Honda Africa twin? Could you put the sport wheels on the base model and have tubeless tires?
Streettracker??...LOL...from Wyoming USA 🔫🤠🇺🇸p.s stay safe
How is beter ?
I love my V-Strom1050XT
I’m really considering buying 1. The championship yellow is hard in the eyes, that’s the color I found for 11,900
The AT is 5k more here. No way. The XT is a deal. I'm mostly on the road, it's a no brainer.
Hey Guys! Thank you for doing this piece. I want to really like this new 'Strom, as I do prefer the basic look of the 'Strom over the AT, but... the price point doesn't make sense to me. There is nothing to suggest this bike is worth that kind of money. The strength of the Suzuki has always been the value proposition the bikes bring. But they have taken that away, and now I don't see the need to even consider it. At least, these are my initial thoughts with no seat time. In all honesty I think something like a Tiger 900 Rally is more appealing to me. Or the New GS 850, if you dare go down the BMW Rabbit hole, which frankly I'd rather not.
But like you guys say, if you HAD to spend your own money on one of these two, I would buy the Africa Twin. Thanks again!
The Vstrom is ancient and it shows at this point. It is not competitive in terms of capability. Budget option.
Its clear that the Vstrom is a road bike that can take an occasional fire road. The Honda can handle the dirt better.
Prices are strange.... in my region Honda is 18,6 and V Strom 14,8k USD. So Honda is 25% more expensive
Here in the UK in 2022, the difference between an A/T and a V-Strom (on discount, cast wheels) is about $7000(7 thousand). You're better buying a V-Strom and spending €5000 on a Hessler or Trail deCouverte Concept kit, far better off-road bike with switchable ABS.
The beak, Imu and spoke wheels are not new to the vstrom
Yes, tires and a off road gear-set will change the characteristics of both bikes. Drop some air pressure in the tires will definitely help the bikes feel planted too the trails... Caution too how much pressure you can drop incase a person hits a bolder on the edge of the roads. Question time, which of these bikes would be better suited for slow speed tractor mode in the nasty stuff. You know, when things need slow motion and some navigating. Don from Western Canada
What language is this?
Obviously price policy is different in US because in Finland Suzuki 1050xt is 2k euros cheaper and basic version of Suzuki is almost 4K cheaper compared with Africa twin. On US market no doubt Africa wins the battle on my market not that obvious situation 🤔
Just found this review. No offense but after riding both it's laughable to say the africa twin is as good as the xt1050 on road. It's just not true. The africa twin is a tall heavy bike. Not that the xt isn't but the love affair with the africa bike is old. The bike is massive. It's also ugly. As is the xt. Neither bike will see more than gravel roads with 90% of their owners. If ya want an offroad adventure bike get a t7. Ya want to tour and do gravel roads get a gs. If ya want to make friends with your service department get a ktm.
How would these compare with the Super Tenere 1200?
Surprised that the Honda with its Dirt bike ergos and seat would be better than the Vstrom on the road.
Found the Gen1 AT to be very crude
D Gomes simplicity of Gen1 AT is refreshing and one of the many reasons I like mine. New Gen1 AT’s still available for around $9000 USD - a great value!
Super Tenere is even heavier, has a long time to see a proper update, axis in the back. You can definetely cruise around the world though.
The AT is just a better and more refined machine in every way. I think it’s a strange comparison. The VS is a bike that you use to commute and ride into the hills for a coffee. On the weekend
So add bar risers and a wider bar also comparible tires then do a review of which is better all arounder!
I have the r1200gs and bought the 1050xt more. I was going to sell the gs, but due to different personalities, I ended up riding both. Both are good bikes.
Great Review Guys, Well done, you have floated me up to the Honda, Thumbs up to you Both!
Test between 2019 and 2020 africa twin, please.
Thank You this detailed comprarisson. In the future want to buy the Africa .
Greatings from Hungary
I don‘t get the criticism of the Suzuki torque curve - practically all other reviews said that while maximum torque comes in abit higher, the overall torque curve has been flattened.
Exactly.It's just a plus, yet the critique is as if it's lost something.
It does not make sense, only in your country you have the same price, all over the world there is a 25% difference, the Suzuki is cheaper. And that Changes the equation.
Multistrada was 7 year old when I bought it 2010 model kept it 3 years 23000 miles when I sold it only thing that broke was a rubber bobbin for dash.but servicing is expensive.
Don't know why any other manufacturers can't make a multistrada. 19/17 wheels 120/170 tyres 2-3 cylinders not stupid heavy. Any suggestions?
@@chrishart8548 tracer 9 that's about it can't count BMW f900 crappy Chinese engine in it no thanks
@@terrybrooks7140 be nice if the tracer and the f900xr had a 19" front wheel option and spocked wheels. Like the multistrada does
19 inch front wheels on the road don't change direction as well as 17 inch and your choice of tyres isn't as good my multistrada had 17 inch wheels by far the best size for pure road use which is where 99 percent are ridden
@@terrybrooks7140 I have a 21" front wheel so I know what you mean. I'm going to get a 19" front wheel built when a get the chance and fit road 5's
Really... Save some money and get a cb500X...
Coming from a sport bike I got the 1290 SAS. Can't complain
Same, was going to go an AT until I saw the price. You get a lot more bang for your buck for the SAS
In 5 years these prices will seem like a dream. Wait. It's coming. The end of all these choices and affordability.
I think the vstrom here has is a pricier engine being a v-twin to manufacture . Hence the price , ...also along with it the advantages of it which I Guess is also arguable. But had a Varadero once and loved the V-twin engine.
In depth and relatable review, thank you
It would be nice to see comparison Honda AT vs KTM 890 adventure R
Hello to the motorbike community. I have a question for anyone with the knowledge and experience. I am contemplating buying a brand new ADV this spring. I basically have it narrowed it down to 2 options.
Option A) 2023 Honda Africa Twin Super Adventure Manual. Like the style and look, I am concerned about the continual maintenance on the chain. It is not uncommon for me to jump on my current bike and put ~500 km's on it in a day on the weekend (311 miles). I am also concerned about the comfort, both in the seat and wind protection. I read lots of information and people love them and of course people will gripe as well and for good reason, experience on the bike. Everyone is different. Is this bike going to be comfortable enough for a few very long days in the saddle from time to time? Although we all get off our bikes every 2-3 hours to fuel on a long trip, still good to have really good comfort when needed. Is this bike the one to have if a person gets an upholsterer to redo the seat to your butt contours? Will that make it an awesome long haul machine?
Option B) 2023 Yamaha Super Tenene 1200. I understand this bike is boring (perhaps compared to some of the competition) but with that come great all day comfort in the saddle and super easy maintenance and reliability. Maybe not as much fun as some of the competition, but my current bike also has shaft drive and has had zero issues in 13 years of ownership. So maybe I don't want to give up reliability and low maintenance? Also, perhaps the Tenere is reaching it's last year of production, what happens if they do this year and I want to own the bike for 10+ years?
This bike that I buy will be a long long time purchase and possibly my last bike (maybe not), but as we get older we look for more comfort. The riding I will do is 80-90% on the pavement and 10-20% gravel and fire roads. HOWEVER, I live an hour away from the mountains and perhaps with an ADV, that ratio will switch to less highway and more gravel/fire roads..........we'll see, the ADV could open a whole new chapter in my riding. The Honda would be a no brainer, but does the Yamaha do the same job with a little less fun factor?
Would love feedback from all people that have/had either or both bikes and let me know based on your experience and knowledge. Thank you!
Always be quick to adapt to new technology, it just makes our life easier.
Because riding a standard motorcycle is so hard.
US pricing seems odd. Here in Oz the 2020 Africa Twin is $22268 (AUD) ride away and the Adventure Sports version is $26106 (or $29206 with DCT and electronic suspension). Comparatively the V-Strom 1050XT is $20990 and the standard 1050 is $17990.
Even so, I'd say the Suzuki seems over priced (maybe if they threw in the aluminium panniers and heated grips for that price rather than wanting a few thousand extra).
Great video. Really cool place you were riding at! Where is that?
How tall are these bikes, or how short are the presenters
Tall bikes. Best for people 6 foot+
@@chrishart8548 what? I’m 5-8 no problem with the strom, I can flat foot the AT , with the lower seat setting.
@@trucker-d4161 what's your inseam must be 33 or 34" if you can flat foot a AT
@@chrishart8548 not at all, pants size is 33-30, just sat on another one yesterday, with the seat in the low position, my vstrom, I’m on the balls of my feet.
@@trucker-d4161 I can also flat foot both of those bikes so it's all good for both of us. I can also flat foot my completely stock 2014 bmw f800gs
Nice video, the two are awesome bikes. I know the Africa wins this one, still I like more the Suzuki. In the other hand I think this bikes are way too big, the Honda NC750, Suzuki Vstrom 650 or Kawasaki Versys 650 are enough and jack of all trade bikes.
Actually ... this is not a matching comparison in anyways. I got to test ride both bikes and the only thing that stands out regarding the V-Strom is its Engine. The AT is in every regard the better package considering both price points. Sure ... the V-Strom is easier to access but all the electronics of the AT are not that complicated as I first thought. You are getting used to it pretty fast, especially due to its tochscreen. What interested me the most was the Suspension of the new AT and it did not disappoint. Also a huge plus for Honda. IMHO there is absolutely no reason to choose a V-Strom over the AT (except you are a fan of Suzuki and the V-Strom). Suzuki should have done more or lower the price significantly. It's sad that Suzuki wasn't able to improve the V-Strom more.
In the uk V-storm is £11,699. The AT is £13,049.
Strom for me.
ground clearance.... Ends the discussion...
Is this even a comparison? Unless the V-Strom has stepped up its game SIGNIFICANTLY, the African Twin hands down. I haven’t seen ONE video that has even suggested a V-Strom could handle serious off-roading
Serious offroading? On an AT? A real dirt bike is an offroad machine. AT is for roads. Dirt roads. But still roads.
The AT is $14399 in Dallas