30 POKER FACTS ABOUT ROUNDERS YOU DID NOT KNOW
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- Rounders is widely hailed as the greatest poker movie of all time. Here are 30 amazing facts about the movie Rounders that you probably did not know.
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The director said they put empty racks in front of KGB for the final hand to send the message that he had indeed reloaded a couple times in order to explain Mikey winning 60K
Just watched this movie for the first time last night. Such a great movie, especially for fans of poker. Its amazing how many big names are in this movie! My favorite scene was with the judge where he talks about how he let down his family by choosing to be a judge instead of a Rabi. Great life lesson on being true to yourself even if everyone else hates your decision. Im a career musician and that scene really spoke to my situation with friends and family thinking Im nuts for pursuing such a career.
5:56
"convincing accent" is EXTREMELY generous lol
Additional fun fact. 9 - 8 suited (the cards Mike has during the last hand) are statistically the most likely hand to beat pocket Aces (the cards we can assume KGB has) because KGB confidently says the Ace on the river "couldn't have helped you", giving KGB a set of Aces and the 2nd nuts (a hand only beat by 9 - 8, making a straight)
Technically 78s is equally likely to crack aa
I loved the scene where Teddy KGB admits defeat, and tells Grama to back off. Villains with depth and humanity are something Hollywood has too little of.
I agree with your point about movie villains, but the back off was actually not about humility or depth.
Teddy called off the move on Mike because allowing a fair-winning player to be assaulted in your club = you won't have a club for much longer. No amount of mob backing will get players in the door if your game is crooked, and Teddy knows that. It appears to be honorable, but Teddy's wave-off is more about self-preservation than anything else.
He beat me,
Straight up,
Pay him,
Pay that man his money
Great scene which showed that despite being a feared man with ties to the Russian mob he still had his morals
@@ThisHandleFeatureIsStupid Humanity, I suppose, not in the sense of sympathetic beings, but of acting like a human.
Villains with self-awareness. He knew if he didn't honor the game, word would have got out that his games are crooked.
@@SL0409 *pey dat män heez mahknee.
4:00 I watched this with the commentary of the writers and Norton. After Mike turns down Petra and she leaves, he throws his glass against a wall. The writers joked that was improvised by Damon because he was pissed at the writers for making him turn down Petra lol
Mike turning her down was the most unrealistic thing in the movie!
The ace of spades is like a character in the movie. In the first hand where Mike goes bust, the ace they share on the board that gives Mike a full house but gives KGB a better full house…is the ace of spades. At the lodge when they get beat up, the final card on the bottom of the deck that the sheriff shows that proves Worm was base dealing…is the ace of spades. In the final hand, the river card where KGB says that ace could not have helped you, and then goes all in…is the ace of spades. They paid homage to the prettiest card in the deck all throughout the movie.
Worm's card up his sleeve is the Ace of Spades
Movies always use the ace of spades. It's iconic.
Poker players know you'd rather see the clubs or hearts. Spades and diamonds are overrated
Little known fact, if I flopped the nut straight vs Teddy in a game for my life, the board would have paired in the turn, then tripped on the river. 😅
Teddy KGB's club is based on an actual place (Mayfair club IIRC) that was fairly legendary in the NYC poker scene. Lots and lots of pros came from this game - it's also almost certainly the place where Coppleman (the writer) lost his $750.
The saddest thing there is playing with a $750 bank roll and feeling crushed at losing it.
I've not read this anywhere but you can clearly see Oreo cookie crumbs on the cards in games at Teddy's Place, example 3:03 on the KK
I will give you some other info since I played at the Mayfair at that time. The Mayfair is the place it was supposed to be based on. It was told to me that the original story was based off Joey Knish’s character but it was changed to Mike (Matt Damon) as the fictional inspiration for the story. The real guy’s nickname was Joey Bagels (Joey Knish’s character) and he had an ice cream truck route where in the movie, Knish had a truck delivery route.
Are you the guy they based worm on ? Haha
Bagels died like 4 years ago, he played exactly the same as knish is described in the movie... There was a KGB also in the scene, but he was nothing like portrayed in the movie. Also in nyc clubs the big blind is the dealer heads up..
The actors also came to the Diamond club for the actors to practice playing while getting ready for the film. And Also Joe Bagels was a great guy he is missed by many of us that knew him.
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@@BobbyHahaOne yes I know. John Hanley told me about it years ago.
Well Malkovich needed to do the voice he wasn't going to play it like himself. But the fact Matt was like hey man this is comical shows John was vulnerable. I'm glad they made it work.
The explanation for Mike leaving with 60k rather than 40k is Teddy reloaded at some point after Mike called his straight and folded A5. Mike said something to the effect of, “Reload at any time.” to Teddy at some point during the game. It’s assumed Teddy did so.
Came here to say this, It is also why Grama says "Take it back". Because Teddy can reload at any time, but Teddy is smart enough to know that he'd be chasing lost money (Basic poker bank roll principle is always operating with a stop-loss amount)
I thought I recall at least a scene or two that Worm did smoke 🤔🤔 00:46
Excellent movie. Watched it several times so far.
Rest in peace doyle
How the hell did I completely miss his death.
That 1997 2001 Jeep Cherokee is super rare. I think they only made one of those :)
i heard that same thing..... 🤔😅
That was my first SUV. Love to take it off roading and camping. It really was a limited edition.
Thr check cashing place gives Mike the full 10k. Didn't he have to pay a fee? Well in a deleted scene ( or original script) the professor knows the guy who works at the check cashing place and he makes a call to tell them not to charge Mike.
Doyle Brunson without his cowboy hat looks like Hunter S. Thompson
Did you just describe John Malkovich's accents in Rounders as "convincing"?
I know right. I speak Russian and have Russian friends, the accent is so bad I assumed Malkovich was just phoning it in for a pay check and did whatever comedy “Russian” accent he could come up with
I was a dealer at the Taj when this was filmed there was great few nights as an extra.
Influential yet bombed in theaters.
I saw it when first screened in 1998 and thought - despite flaws - it was the best poker movie ever.
That is the problem. There has never been a poker movie with actually good poker in it. Rounders was better than most, but the poker was still awful.
@@OneEyedJack01 How was the poker awful? It was the first movie to even attempt to show Texas Hold ‘em, despite that already having been *the* poker game worldwide for decades.
The poker "boom" came in 2003. This was a movie made in 98. The concepts still apply. And if you were following poker from 03-2011ish, you'd see a shit ton of bad poker in real life, even on tv
The state trooper game was filmed at the Elk's lodge in Hoboken, NJ. After the movie came out I played in a regular game at the same place - the elk's head mounted on the wall that Worm mentions in the movie was still there. Also the custom poker chips they used in that game had a picture of Teddy KGB's face on them. I regret to this day not swiping one.
Another overlooked part is when Mike and Worm head to AC to play “late night, high limit hold em at the Taj, where the sand turns to gold.” Mike buys in for $500, I guess 1,3 is considered high limit 😂
They played 20/40 limit…
My favorite poker movie is "A Big Hand for the Little Lady.
Two things I never understood in Rounders. 1. When Worm showed up at the cops game, Mike should have got up and left. 2. Why did Grama get mad when Mike beat Teddy at the end. Mike winning meant he paid Grama back in full
It probably would’ve looked suspicious if a winning player suddenly stopped, just because another ‘stranger’ showed up. He was still loyal to Worm, and didn’t want to leave him stranded. And Grama was sadistic. To him, it was more important to have power and be on the ‘winning’ side. He wanted the chance to beat Mike to a pulp, and establish a reputation of someone to be feared.
Here’s the part I didn’t understand, though: Mike took control of the game when he spotted KGB’s ‘tell’ (the Oreos). But then KGB throws them against the wall, and we never see them again. How did Mike keep winning without any more ‘tell’ to spot?
1. I agree he should've left. But Worm actually had an excellent excuse to show up at the game. He miraculously met an insider at the bowling alley who invited him to the game. So no one actually suspected Mike and Worm to know each other. For this reason Mike probably thought it was OK for him to sit and play a little bit more and gave Worm the benefit of the doubt (bad choice)
2. Grama knew Mike was a stable person with a honest character. And he also knew Mike was a very good card player and that he would break his back to pay the debts that he owed. Especially after he noticed that Mike came back alone without Worm. For this reason Grama knew if he had the control over Mike that he would be a very good income source and investment for the future. It pissed him off to see Mike walk away "that easy".
@@TomF18
1. I agree he should've left. But Worm actually had an excellent excuse to show up at the game. He miraculously met an insider at the bowling alley who invited him to the game. So no one actually suspected Mike and Worm to know each other. For this reason Mike probably thought it was OK for him to sit and play a little bit more and gave Worm the benefit of the doubt (bad choice)
2. Grama knew Mike was a stable person with a honest character. And he also knew Mike was a very good card player and that he would break his back to pay the debts that he owed. Especially after he noticed that Mike came back alone without Worm. For this reason Grama knew if he had the control over Mike that he would be a very good income source and investment for the future. It pissed him off to see Mike walk away "that easy".
Right that would of been a smart move!
Grama probably had 50% of teddy’s action so was losing when he lost
RIP and thank you to the great Doyle Brunson. You are indeed the Godfather of Poker. 🙏
Rounders is basically why all Americans now play hold’ em. Moneymaker won in ‘03 because he saw Rounders and now everyone plays. Very influential flick!
RNG is why poker took off, or as Phil Helmuth called it RMG, Random money gererator as they got stinking rich from all that rake.
No, poker took off because of rounders and moneymaker. This is well known to anyone old enough to play poker back then.
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Just to be that guy - because I was very active in the poker world right at the time you're talking about. Rounders came out in '98. The WPT (read the concept of hole card cameras), I believe, was introduced around 2002 and Moneymaker won in '03. It's these 3 things - in conjunction with watching poker players with hundreds of thousands in cash in front of them on shows like High Stakes Poker - and the blooming 'reality TV' genre that all led to the poker boom.
Todd Brunson once remarked, back in like 2001, at a rather high stakes game (IIRC it was 1k2k Stud 8/b) during a particularly intense hand that was a rollercoaster, Todd said something like "I bet people would be interested in watching this on TV.." He was wrong about people being even remotely interested in Stud 8 or better (objectively the best form of poker :) but he was right as rain about people being interested in watching players fight for tons of money.
@@VCanisMajorisY More rake is better.
I saw a podcast where the hosts invited the ORIGINAL writer of Rounders. The dude was a reg at Commerce and the setting was supposed to be in LA. There's a court case about it too.
About what? The setting being in NY and not ? Lol makes no sense what would the court settle ?
No, the main focus of the movie is the "Chesterfield Club", which was based exclusively on the Mayfair Club in NYC.
The whole movie was inspired by Joey Bagels (the real guy Knish's character was based on), and his exploits at the Mayfair.
e.g.: the line "in the poker game of life, women are the rake", spoken by Worm in the movie, is attributed to Joey Bagels.
@@EmperorNeroxthe court case is about giving credit to the original writer of rounders
In the hand against Johnny Chan, they are playing Limit holdem based on how they bet. Also no casino would allow a buy in that shallow for a no limit game. It still doesn't make a ton of sense, but its much more plausible than if it were a no limit game.
Johnny folding his hand in a limit game is the least plausible of all.
RIP Doyle Brunson
As a avid boxing fan, I knew immediately the fight on the screen was not Mayweather Chavez. That right happened in 2001. The fighter on the TV looks like Ike Quartey but I’m not 100% sure.
David Levien was bartender in place called Girasole on upper east side where mafia guys came to play almost every night and he was serving them That is how he got idea for script
Peter Alson wrote a few good books on the poker scene in New York about what was going on at the time.
Phil Hellmuth said the reason he passed up the cameo role was ONLY bcuz filming fell during the WSOP and he needed to put all his focus on the event - bcuz we all know how serious Hellmuth takes that event. Crazy tho. I don't think he realized how big the movie was gonna be at the same time 2:14
At the end poker scene, he says table stakes, feel free to reload at any time. So Teddy could have had reloads already.
Mike McD skipped reading the chapters on bank roll management…
He also pulls money from Mike Caro’s poker tells VHS
Still a good movie. Top 10 favorite movies ever
Another thing not mentioned, but not that big of a deal, was the "lousy truck route" that Mike delivered he said was in West New York, right across the Hudson River in NJ, but none of the scenes where Mike is driving the truck is filmed in that town, or even any part of NJ
The only way the Chan hand makes sense is if it was 300/600 Limit Hold’em; then a five bet is only to 1500. Then again, that makes Knish’s line about “You’d need 50-60 grand to sit in the game” nonsensical, since no one needs 100BB to play Limit poker.
The 50-60 grand could be explained away since you wouldn’t want to play your whole bankroll.
Five bet head up changes to no limit after the 4th raise. Miike could go all in at that point
A semi loose 300600 limit u need some serious coin. 4 or 5k a pot u can lose easy . Knich didn't say he needs to put it all on the table he just needs the assess to be able handle the swings
Knish said “play RIGHT in that game”… meaning having enough to play correctly.
The game with Chan WAS in fact Limit Hold Em.
However, there are nevertheless an insane number of mistakes in that scene. You pointed out the ridiculous claim of "you need 50-60 grand to play right in that game", which is made even sillier by the fact that Chan, who's said to have been stomping tourists for a while before Mike shows up, had less than $10k in front of him at the start of that hand.
And then his stack mysteriously shifts both up and down in value throughout the hand.
lol, Rounders...
nice cut to sam rockwell in the prison scenes
One of the biggest fans of this movie is Adam Savage of MythBuster lore. He went so far as to create a poker chipset nearly identical to the original chips used in the movie, and even built a sturdy container to hold several racks of chips in order to carry chips to any homegame.
Haha. What a nerd.
Damn kids got alligator blood....
Fact #31: Mike McDermott is actually based on poker legend Norm Macdonald.
reminds me of that tragedy
Here is one for u... U cent shuffle a deck of cards the same way ever. Every shuffle is the first that way
7:36 Mike announces "one thousand, straight", but puts out $2,000 in chips.
Teddy then calls using the correct amount. Siiiiiick value for Teddy! lol
I thought about the 60k too... at the beginning of the scene Damon says "feel free to reload at any time." We can assume KGB lost some big-ish hands and that's how he managed to "double" to 60k instead of40k. 🤔🤷♂
In one of the early trailers you see Worm encounter one of the black guys he was playing cards with right before he gets out. I thinks its the guy he gives the ciggs back to. Its a very quick clip of that scene but I cant seem to find it anywhere. Its not on the vhs or dvd. Its either a flashback or Worm gets surprised that he got out as well. Does anyone remember this?
Worm threw the cigarettes in the garbage. Guy wanted Worm to give them the cigarettes since he didn't smoke.
I used to own the DVD
Don’t have it any longer
That trailer you are describing was on the DVD and that black guy from the prison plays such a large role in the trailer it’s like an entirely different movie
His scenes post-prison all wound up on the cutting room floor
RIP Doyle.
The final hand was pocket aces for TKGB. It was the hand he had in the first game of the movie AND the movie tells you because TKGB says, "The ace could not have helped you." He knows this because he has pocket aces, which in his mind meant mike could've at best only had a single ace since he had also put him on a draw. Had he hit trips or 2 pair on the flip, TKGB figured Mike would've check-raised. So the deuce and Ace were of no help to mike even if he had the remaining ace or if he was on a straight draw. A situation nearly mimicking the first hand where TKBG's aces over 9's beat mike's 9's over aces. Or at least he thought. TKGB thought this was a rerun of the first game. He wasn't bluffing since he later he freaked out over the reveal. You don't freak like that if you get caught bluffing. Even crybaby Helmuth doesn't shoot off in that situation.
His overbetting was likely a way to bait mike into check-raising if he had hit trips on the flop but since he just kept check-calling, he thought his pocket aces were prime.
It's heavily praised as an awesome scene but it plays out a little cartoonish. Setting up the gutshot to be like Chan's was a little too obvious.
I've been waiting for a Rounders 2 for years!
We need a sequel... they should call it Grinders and have it start out in online poker.
Could base it off of Durrr or Isildur1...
I don’t know if been said. But eating a urinal cake is less demeaning than the prison scene in American history x So I don’t get that
there was some movie about a poker addict who got in a lot of debt and then had a heart attack right as he was about to win it back which was good
The name of the movie?
@@SlXkxmx Win It All
Thank you
I love this movie, but the poker is TERRIBLE. The betting makes no sense. Betting $2000 at $400 pots? Calling big overbets on a flush draw? It makes no sense for Mike to move all in on the hand he goes broke with; he's never getting called by worse than what he has. The last hand doesn't make sense either. We never see Teddy's hand, but he probably has 2 pair or a set; meaning that the Ace very much could have helped Mike.
In the game against the cops, you can actually see Worm dealing to Mike from the bottom of the deck.
nobody ever cuts the deck in this movie
"Green which village" haha ....
I thought KGB doubled the amount 3 times, so 10 became 20 became 40 became 80, but that's from memory. That's how the money worked out in the end.
If they had reduced the use of the F word by 48%, this movie would have been 80% better
Worm didn’t seem like a smoker anyways
If you’re gonna get knocked out it’s got to be a badge of honor to get knocked by Doyle.
AMERICAN HISTORY X IS AN AWESOME MOVIE!
Green-witch? The Pope of Green-witch village?
You make and voice some Very Professional Material. Nice Work.
Edward Norton is so hot in this movie
John Malkovich’s accent is not convincing, it’s like a comedy impression of a Russian 😂
In a full ring game, since the dealer is supposed to be the last one to act, wouldn’t being the “big blind” kind of make sense?
The person to the left of the dealer button always acts first post flop, so it needs to be with the small blind or the action would be reversed.
nice
Norton wouldn't face the humiliation of eating a yernal cake. U did say he did American History X months before😐. Yeah, shower seen not humiliating at all.
Lower West Side - LOL - no one in NYC says that
There is over 1000 rooms around by and Jersey that plays underground poker rooms . So it's real even in 2023
I am Matt Damon
Would love to have seen KGB's final hand as he apparently flopped a set, but...he has already been felted by Mike and knows Mike is not a donkey...what in the heck did KGB put Mike on as he kept checking and calling such large bets?
Flop was rainbow so no flush draw. He says "You are on a draw" then states "That ace could not have helped you" so he is ruling out Mike floating on overcards
What draw is there on 6-7-10 rainbow?
Maybe 4-5?
Maybe Teddy flopped top set, put Mike on lower set, and the "draw" talk was to use psychology or something?
Kgb had 9 10
Pause at the right time and you can see the 2 cards he slams on the table face up
This could of been any 2 cards though not related to the scene as its never in the script what Kgb has uike the 1st scene where its in the script they both have a full house
@@SL0409
If that is true, then they really wrote a horrible final hand for Teddy
Especially with the ace on the turn why in the world would he shove the river
as they like to say
the only hands that can call you are better hands
I always assumed KGB had AA just like the hand at the beginning of the movie that crushed Mike. It’s why he said you can’t believe what fell when the A hits the river
Read Dirty Dealings and learn where the script/idea really came from
Though Mike appears to be the good guy, he is actually part of oijer cheating in the movie.
Actually a bad guy
Rounders did for poker what Tiger Woods did for golf.
Nothing at all though compared to the Moneymaker win, after that win, poker took off 100 times more.
I knew all these facts
How is it a Jeep 1997 and a 2001?
Haaanging around, haaaning around. Can’t geet reed of him. Keeds got ally-gator blood.
Pey xhim. Pey dis maen his meney - Teddy KGB
Not only did they cash a personal check for 10 k but he got the whole 10 k i bet that place is not still in business
GREENwich village? Really??? Come on now!!
Did Teddy KGB have pocket Aces at the end of the movie?
Only Teddy knows that haha
A 1997, 2001 jeep Cherokee...?
I assume he means that model was from 1997-2001
@@jameswalker7420 ahhhh that could make sense....thanks
Rounders is not a movie bout poker. The movie is about how no one has free will.
RIP Texas Dolly
At the end i thought said after i give professor back his ten then im back to where i started...3 stacks of high society
He did, and he owed Grammer 20k for Worm's debt. Grammer 20, Professor 10 and he took 30 to Vegas
@@danielstevenson2772 I think it was 15K for Worm, 10 for professor, and another 6-7 for the Chesterfield.
@@mrmacross I just watched the movie again the other night. The only thing that is clear is that he owed the professor 10k. Worm had debt with Grammar and Grammar went in with Teddy KGB on the debt. Worm had debt before he went into prison, then owed "the juice" on the debt in addition when he got out, then he racked up more debt. It's hard to follow. Reminds me of a place I play where guys buy in so many times an argument ensures on how much they owe.
@@danielstevenson2772 I rewatched a couple parts just now. When Grama drags Worm into the bathroom, he says Worm owed his $25K, and then took whatever was on Worm. Worm and Mike go to the noodle bar and Worm figures he owes about $15K. Then when Mike sees Knish for a loan after getting beat up by the copps, Knish asks how much he needs, thinking it's like a grand. Mike says $15K.
At the end, Mike says he left with just over $60K, with $15K to Grama, $6K to the Chesterfield, and $10K to the professor.
Good video although some of these are not so much facts, as they are production mistakes or continuity mistakes.
So was Teddy holding rockets or a pocket pair and flopped a set?
if you frame by frame it, he's holding pocket tens and flopped a set.
0:27 Invited to play ?? You know anyone with 10K can play if you are of age
Edward Norton is kind of full of himselfof lol - he did that awful character justice
KGB's accent was terribly over the top though.
Maybe im missing something but matt daimen made it pretty obvious he got a straight. I never seen the whole movie so maybe im missing something
You’re wrong about the 20 thousand. I rewatched it and he clearly says 30 thousand. So if he doubled up it would be 60 thousand. Go rewatch it. You’re wrong
How come we didn't see what KGB had when Mike had the 8 9 of spades
Teddy had pocket 10's, for a flopped set
@@mysocalledknife07 nope, no raise pre flop, Hate that we never got to see Teddy's cards, Like the first hand heads up, Damon had KKs, made it a $1000, blinds are only 25 and 50, no one raises 20 times the big blind lol, Teddy made it 5000, Damon shoved for 10,000 and Teddy folded, NOBODY puts half of they're stack in and folds, nobody, only part of movie that sucked in my opinion
@@mysocalledknife07he had 9 10. Pause at the right time you can see the 2 cards he slams on the table face up
But it's irrelevant what he has because it's never in the script. The scene is just about Mike flopping the nuts and reeling him in to win the hand and get it all
Kgb could of been holding 2 J for all it mattered. It's not part of the script unlike the 1st scene when the script is they both have a full house
@@billysikes1374 if he had pocket 10's, it's not guaranteed that he raises with them pre flop.
I've seen people bet outrageously like this live and online.
Convincing Russian accent 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Iconic.
I thought teddy kgb was poorly acted. Malkovich is overrated imo and didn’t do a good job and had a ridiculous accent in this film. Everyone else was amazing and it was a really good movie
Yeah, there’s actually an interview clip with Matt talking about John’s over-exaggerated accent. John even admitted to Matt that he was a terrible actor.
Wow that's ALOT of relatively obvious continuity errors. It is such an engaging movie (especially if you ever really dove deep into the game) that these fly right by.