A greedy smug pos that do not regret anything but that they got caught. His ”apology” is just pure bullshit. Dont miss him and hope his life is pure shit.
well, he lost 7 figures of money.. he publicly apologized.. he's been humiliated at a world level, for a man who seemed to value the respect of the Poker community greatly did he F up ?? seems so.. hard to say if he simply let someone else "dupe" him, when he is a genuine mathematical genius.. i had huge admiration and respect for him, followed his career starting 2002. but... not knowing the "numbers" of your business where bogus.. thats hard to swallow.. impossible ? no.. and no criminal charges were leveled at him, which i think is more telling. i played a LOT on Full Tilt.. i mean a lot, and lost only a few dollars on black friday (not everyone was made whole, and it was truly chump change, so never sweated it ).. you either give people a second chance, or you dont.. not up to be to forgive him. if i sat down at a table and he was there, i would shake his hand, and just move on. are you going to hold a grudge for decades ?? most everyone, from what i just saw, got any money they had in Full Tilt back.. so the harm was.. not egregious by any length. and given how much i loved online poker, maybe it was a good thing i cant play anymore.. lol.. same for Chris Ferguson.. before all this, they were top poker pros in the world. i think the poker game should welcome them back, and just play poker.. dont like the guy ? ok.. just keep it to yourself.. beat them at the table.. not beat them up on social media..
I swear poker was on all channels and everyone wanted to become pros. But when this scam was exposed all that hype died. I cant remember last time I saw poker on TV
There's something about Dwan that has never sat well with me. There were so many online players that were infamous online cash game and tournament players with little to zero live earnings that destroyed the pros for quite awhile, ironic they got their bankrolls and reps on the sites owned by the pro players
@@ranchopatriot The fucking piece of shit got away with it. Unfortunately, the American legal system lets you pick a jury. So I'm guessing the defence picked non-poker players. The jury simply didn't understand what the odds of Postle getting that many wins, or never folding the best cards, were. Although, I'm pretty sure nobody wants to play with him anymore.
Poker Black Friday was a huge event in my life. I was getting ready to quit my job and play full time because it was so lucrative and full of fish. And then BOOM, no more poker.
I was also on the fence, killing it in tournaments, no one knew how play. Those were the days. Then that day we will never forget happened. What could have been ?
It was a political move that brought the entire industry down for no reason except the egos of disgusting politicians who soak us all by exempting themselves from insider trading laws! Those are the real leeches. Lederer didn’t do enough to protect the money that’s clear. But I don’t think he deserves a lifetime ban. He’s been the face of this debacle for long enough. And virtually everyone eventually got their money back thanks to PokerStars. Time to let him come back and beat Negreanu on the felt where they can settle it in a steel cage match. 😂
I remember months before the Black Friday shutdown, a few of my withdrawals took longer than usual and I used the FTP points for redeeming a few items (baseball cap and a t-shirt.) Those items never came. I've always felt that these issues, albeit small and personal, were kind of the writing on the wall for FTP's downfall. Poor oversight and shadiness were going on long before the 'Black Friday' downfall.
Same... I would keep getting account credits for long withdrawl times... that never came. I did get a deck of cards though from the university. Still unopened
Sounds very much like they didn't do their due diligence. While they lent their names to the sites as endorsements, they also didn't have much control over day-to-day operations and the entire scheme was suspect if they'd done SOME digging. I don't have much problem with these two playes despite the seizure
I really hate it when someone does something Bad but people mention how intelligent they are....being a Genius means nothing if you don't have Common sense....its just a UNABOMBER MOMENT
@nutsaboutdance she's an absolute c'nt. Has a rule that if she's out of the hand she can look at your cards if she's sitting next to you. Self entitled and a hypocryte.
No he explained it. Lederer and fellow executives at full tilt poker embezzled players cash winnings for themselves. When the US government shutdown online poker, they discovered lederer had stolen player funds.
I know Howard and he's a really good person, but like everything the government touches it turns to crap. I lost money too.,My last $6,000.. I don't blame him at all or anyone else. Man up and move on.
I had about $6,000 frozen on D-Day and I never saw any of that money again and shortly after, NY banned online poker for money and it's STILL against the law in NY. I only lost about $300 total - the rest was profit, but I was pissed. I earned that money. I tried really hard to get it too. I never saw a dime.
Unfortunately this is a useless video. Why don't you start over and tell us in detail what the allegations were. Howard says he takes full responsibility, but he doesn't say for what. If he cheated, or knew about cheating going on, then there is no apology that can repair the damage. It should simply mean a lifetime ban from the game. Personally, I trust Daniel Negreanu's judgement. If he think's Lederer's apology is insincere, that's good enough for me.
They saw that Full Tilt would get all of the money on deposit from the rake and withdrawals would be covered by deposits. So, why not just give themselves some nice fat bonuses, except they didn't think about a US shutdown. Greedy and stupid.
Crazy this years i played no Poker whats Happens there ? Site was rigged they stole the Players the Money or how did that Happen ? The Player gets refunded ?
I like how the United States Department of Justice made sure all non-US players got their money back and allowed the US players, the ones that they’re required to serve and protect, to be screwed over and get nothing back. 🙄
Not much was said about Annie who also disappeared from the poker landscape, Though she wasn't mentioned another player who vanished though I don't recall if she was from the Full Tilt camp or PokerStars is Jen Harmon. I hadn't seen her in years until she was in one of the WSOP tourneys featured in Daniel's TH-cam channel.Howard's style of play wasn't conducive to the High Stakes Poker or other shows that turned an 8-10 hr cash game with multiple buy backs sit n go into a couple 1/2 hour episodes. He was a grinder that folded a ton of hands, who maximized profit and minimized losses in those hands played and wore people down until they made mistakes. The complete opposite of Negreanu, who to his credit has turned his "likeable good natured everyday Joe" personality (along with elite skill level) into 2 decades of being one of the most important and successful players in the world
It’s crazy that it’s been over 12 years and he’s still pretty much stayed away from poker. Even his Wikipedia page basically has no activity since this debacle.
Even knowing this, Full Tilt was the greatest online poker experience ever. I play on ACR now, and it is great in its own way. Still doesnt compare to the excitement of Full Tilt. I loved so many things about it down to the little things like receiving a t shirt for eliminating a pro.
Nope. I inquired about it when my buddies mentioned they got their funds back, but nothing came out of it. I'm not worried about it since it's been so long, but I would assume others ran into the same issue. That's why I mentioned it.
Teaches the importance on bankroll management? How do you figure that? Having your entire bankroll seized by the US govt. is not, and will not ever be a factor you should have to take into account when managing a bankroll, it's the absolute antitheses. If you can lose 100% of your roll without even playing a game, how can you manage that?
A Name isn't iconic. Only imagery is iconic - i.e., a person or thing whose Image is famous (the word Icon, in the original Greek, Means Image). Iconic is now the most overused word on TH-cam, and no doubt the most MISused. Misusers seem to think "iconic" simply means "widely known," instantly recognizable," etc. (and lately, increasingly, that it is interchangeable with "famous"). Also, a person isn't "coined" something (e.g., a nickname). Coin means to invent, as in "coin a phrase." Lederer was be "dubbed," or "styled" The Professor.
IMHO, there are plenty LOL "pros" you are starting to see more of nowadays from the wild wild west of online poker back in the day, that _SHOULD NOT_ be anywhere near poker. .. what happened to the wall of shame? helmuth, ivey, dwan, seidel, ferguson, matusow, harman, gordan, lederer, and i dont even remember how many more who i have seen or heard talked about in these last however many years with the 2nd, convid induced, "boom" of "vlogs" and live streaming poker, who arguably need _NOT_ be seen or talked about yet are slithering around "the community" again.... 🤦♂ INB4 no reasonable argument against
How bout that lady that ran Lock Poker that gave her brother all the company's money to buy potential oil reserves in the Canadian Shield (ALLEGEDLY) i wonder if i would have been the next lederer if i didnt lose over 100k in UltimateBet and years later over 40k from Lock when they vanished overnight.... that both came from $100 deposits (accounts were as low as $2 at one point) Shelden Adelson is another one.... lobbied against online poker.... cuz he thought it would kill his B&M I would always joke w/ the floors at Binions when i see $hamilton's picture.... oh, what's in those cabinets under there? are those backup russ hamilton photos to replace all the ones that get defaced? always hask them how many people spit on this.... and what would happen if i did... (they tell me i'll get thrown out.... so i agree to do it on my way out :) )
Since the beginning of the internet I NEVER felt comfortable with `any online gaming, lol I mean really. Glad I listen to my gut feeling/instincts. MOST humans are not humans they're all Money Robots with no Soul, freaks me out, I call it Planet Freak Show with all the Money Robots killing each other for MORE money. Money is like numbers for most Money Robots, it has no end.
Watch what Daniel Negreanu Said About This! He's at Least Honest and He Knows More About The Situation Than An Outsider Using a little info from the news.
Took me years to get my money back from FT that was frozen on there….I had my bounced check saved from them and if I didn’t I never would have gotten paid…. Pieces of shit ruined it for all of us in the USA….make it legal again in NY!!!!
Isn’t poker inherently a bit of a Ponzi scheme? The only way to consistently make money is to take advantage of people who aren’t up to your skill level. Otherwise, you could *lose* money.
full tilt wasnt a scam... no site has every single dollar on site. it got abruptly stopped hence. all machinery stopped.. . was tragic how the top players involved got burned. they deserve some scorn. but everyone was made whole... cause the deficit wasnt extreme.
I'm confused the narrator states that Lederer went silent from 2011 to 2016 when he gave an interview and took responsibility for what happened...but then the very last scene is the same image from the interview that was supposedly shown in 2016 but is dated 2012 on the screen? So was the interview given in 2012 or 2016?
I was playing a tournament on Paradise Poker. I played quite a few there. One evening, while i was playing, i saw the entire table's whole cards. They were pixelated but legible. It only happened on that one hand. never played online again.
It's interesting that he hasn't come back and started the whole scam all over again. This happens so many times where these people get caught, but just months later, they are back at it and no one does anything to stop it...
I remember this day so well. I was logged in to Full Tilt, but had left for the night to go play a live tournament. It wasn't normal for me to leave myself logged in when I wasn't playing, but I forgot to log out this time. While I was at the live tournament we got the news about what had went down. Thanks to my mistake, I was able to play on Full Tilt for 2 more days until my internet hiccuped and I got DC'd. lol.
I started playing poker somewhat seriously on the side in the early 2000’s however, I never trusted the online sites when they started popping up everywhere. I feel lucky to never have deposited money into them and feel for those that did. Admittedly, I much prefer live cash games vs online anyway so likely another reason I never played online. I remember when all hell broke loose and knew quite a few people that had money with them. I only remember one person who had a lot with them and to this day I don’t know if he ever got his money back.
I got a check for my Full Tilt balance. I was on my worst ever losing streak the weeks leading up to BF. The weeks leading up to Black Friday had suspicious play. I think the corrupt DOJ investigators had many accounts with super user accounts as they had access to the server before the shut down. Just like corrupt DEA guys stole bitcoins from Silk Road ..
You missed out on pockets AA only to hit a royal on the turn vs 10 10. Gotta love crazy hands on classic poker stars.. 😅 honestly dumb to see such insane hands fathom out
What are your honest thoughts on Howard Lederer?
I have better things to do than think about him
He’s a scumbag
He will pass away due to obesity and karma little peepee syndrome
A greedy smug pos that do not regret anything but that they got caught. His ”apology” is just pure bullshit. Dont miss him and hope his life is pure shit.
well, he lost 7 figures of money.. he publicly apologized.. he's been humiliated at a world level, for a man who seemed to value the respect of the Poker community greatly
did he F up ?? seems so..
hard to say if he simply let someone else "dupe" him, when he is a genuine mathematical genius.. i had huge admiration and respect for him, followed his career starting 2002.
but... not knowing the "numbers" of your business where bogus..
thats hard to swallow.. impossible ? no.. and no criminal charges were leveled at him, which i think is more telling.
i played a LOT on Full Tilt.. i mean a lot, and lost only a few dollars on black friday (not everyone was made whole, and it was truly chump change, so never sweated it )..
you either give people a second chance, or you dont.. not up to be to forgive him.
if i sat down at a table and he was there, i would shake his hand, and just move on.
are you going to hold a grudge for decades ?? most everyone, from what i just saw, got any money they had in Full Tilt back.. so the harm was.. not egregious by any length.
and given how much i loved online poker, maybe it was a good thing i cant play anymore.. lol..
same for Chris Ferguson..
before all this, they were top poker pros in the world.
i think the poker game should welcome them back, and just play poker..
dont like the guy ? ok.. just keep it to yourself.. beat them at the table..
not beat them up on social media..
This documentary explained nothing. Total waste of time.
not a single word on How he did it!
Thanks for the tip
@@johnbernhardtsen3008 How? It's a Ponzi scheme they only work one way...
So you guys didn’t watch how he conned people with a Ponzi scheme
Thanks - saved me the watch
I swear poker was on all channels and everyone wanted to become pros. But when this scam was exposed all that hype died. I cant remember last time I saw poker on TV
On Dish, at least 3 big tournaments have been shown in the last week or so.
Two poker channels on Pluto.
Scam?
@@nrford100if you are looking. OP’s point…. You have to search for poker. Previously you could not avoid poker
Full Tilt still owes me $8.00😡
How can you say he's more despised than Russ??😅
This is a total fail . . . You failed to give us any description of what actually happened.
Always felt he was slimy
Watching Tom Dwan destroy Howard in high stakes poker made me really happy
Dwan is the man
There is only one.
There's something about Dwan that has never sat well with me. There were so many online players that were infamous online cash game and tournament players with little to zero live earnings that destroyed the pros for quite awhile, ironic they got their bankrolls and reps on the sites owned by the pro players
What exactly happened? It wasn’t explained.
They couldn’t pay players? What?
Hello how are you doing today
Mike Postle wants that title.
Has anything ever become of the Postle cheating scandal?
@@ranchopatriot The fucking piece of shit got away with it. Unfortunately, the American legal system lets you pick a jury.
So I'm guessing the defence picked non-poker players. The jury simply didn't understand what the odds of Postle getting that many wins, or never folding the best cards, were.
Although, I'm pretty sure nobody wants to play with him anymore.
I was happy I owed full tilt 80$ when it went down😂😂
How did you owe them? Were they giving loans?
@SlopjawJohnson-ii9kb yeah on weekends you could bye chips before they process the money from your bank
@@billrevette4501 I see. I'm sure a ton of other people did the same thing.
Wow you showed them…
The $ goes in front of the number
Poker Black Friday was a huge event in my life. I was getting ready to quit my job and play full time because it was so lucrative and full of fish. And then BOOM, no more poker.
I was going to do the same.
I was making more money playing poker part time than I did at my full time job.
I was also on the fence, killing it in tournaments, no one knew how play. Those were the days. Then that day we will never forget happened. What could have been ?
It was a political move that brought the entire industry down for no reason except the egos of disgusting politicians who soak us all by exempting themselves from insider trading laws! Those are the real leeches.
Lederer didn’t do enough to protect the money that’s clear. But I don’t think he deserves a lifetime ban. He’s been the face of this debacle for long enough. And virtually everyone eventually got their money back thanks to PokerStars. Time to let him come back and beat Negreanu on the felt where they can settle it in a steel cage match. 😂
Wow, I never knew what really happened to him. Thank you for putting this on.
Thanks for checking out the video!
FBI seized over 1K USDs from me, pokerstars gave it back, I dont play poker anymore, now I play stars casino...
@@PokerBoomYTI poop on my bed regularly
Lmao most of them fell off from online piker too many ppl getting scam
And you still don't know, Mark. This video explained very little.
I remember months before the Black Friday shutdown, a few of my withdrawals took longer than usual and I used the FTP points for redeeming a few items (baseball cap and a t-shirt.) Those items never came. I've always felt that these issues, albeit small and personal, were kind of the writing on the wall for FTP's downfall. Poor oversight and shadiness were going on long before the 'Black Friday' downfall.
Same... I would keep getting account credits for long withdrawl times... that never came.
I did get a deck of cards though from the university. Still unopened
Sounds very much like they didn't do their due diligence. While they lent their names to the sites as endorsements, they also didn't have much control over day-to-day operations and the entire scheme was suspect if they'd done SOME digging. I don't have much problem with these two playes despite the seizure
I really hate it when someone does something Bad but people mention how intelligent they are....being a Genius means nothing if you don't have Common sense....its just a UNABOMBER MOMENT
If they were so smart, they would not have gotten caught! Lulz
his body is shaped like a pear
All the full tilt scum should be in prison and this dudes sister should be there with him
Howard always took too long I hate slow players.
This didn't tell us what happened.
Didn't do a day in jail. People get heavier sentences stealing groceries.
LEDERER AND ANNIE....2 SLIMEBALLS
Why is Anne hated ?
Annie Pukes scamming took place on Ultimate Bet. Cheaters
Agree 100%
@nutsaboutdance she's an absolute c'nt. Has a rule that if she's out of the hand she can look at your cards if she's sitting next to you. Self entitled and a hypocryte.
@@nutsaboutdanceBecause she’s a two faced bully, and she loves to cheat. Hold your cards close if sitting next to her.
gambling involves cheaters and yet folks are surprised and shocked when that is proven over and over...
People cheat at video games. For petty reasons. People are not shocked. They got robbed. They're angry. Like you would be if someone robbed you.
I got his instructional DVD back in the day haha. Glad I got it from the used game/movie/music store.
lol @ “Studied to be a chess pro”. He was a 1950 ELO chess player-so incredibly far from becoming a professional.
Ain't bad though, Room for improvement obviously.
This article fails entirely to explain what happened.
Thank you. I'll stop watching.
What part did you fail to understand?
Thanks for saving me 8 minutes.
The true heroes are in the comments.
No he explained it. Lederer and fellow executives at full tilt poker embezzled players cash winnings for themselves. When the US government shutdown online poker, they discovered lederer had stolen player funds.
This isn't an article 🤡
I know Howard and he's a really good person, but like everything the government touches it turns to crap. I lost money too.,My last $6,000.. I don't blame him at all or anyone else. Man up and move on.
I had about $6,000 frozen on D-Day and I never saw any of that money again and shortly after, NY banned online poker for money and it's STILL against the law in NY. I only lost about $300 total - the rest was profit, but I was pissed. I earned that money. I tried really hard to get it too. I never saw a dime.
That suck's
I lost $1700 and never saw a dime returned.
I had about $3000 frozen for a year and then filed a claim as instructed and got a check from the US treasury..
I was a FTP player in the US ...where's my "refund"??
Demand it!
Same lol
If you didn’t get your refund yet wtf have y’all been doing smh 😮
Same man......2700$ gone in the blink of eye.
Pretty sure if you emailed them about it you could have got it poker stars paid everyone back who asked with they took over for full tilt
Full Tilt got me for 16k- learned my lesson. No online Poker for me period.
Wow 16k?!? That’s brutal!
@@PokerBoomYT People were reimbursed by submitting a claim thru the DOJ. It's brutal if people were too stupid to submit a claim.
Scammers used bots and cheated online games
Unfortunately this is a useless video. Why don't you start over and tell us in detail what the allegations were. Howard says he takes full responsibility, but he doesn't say for what. If he cheated, or knew about cheating going on, then there is no apology that can repair the damage. It should simply mean a lifetime ban from the game. Personally, I trust Daniel Negreanu's judgement. If he think's Lederer's apology is insincere, that's good enough for me.
They saw that Full Tilt would get all of the money on deposit from the rake and withdrawals would be covered by deposits. So, why not just give themselves some nice fat bonuses, except they didn't think about a US shutdown. Greedy and stupid.
Him and his sister are both bad humanbeings
Crazy this years i played no Poker whats Happens there ? Site was rigged they stole the Players the Money or how did that Happen ? The Player gets refunded ?
Did you fail English in school? I am thinking so
@@hetzer7366 i think you must be very Bad at this maybe Go in 1 class again child 😈👹😆😆😆
I like how the United States Department of Justice made sure all non-US players got their money back and allowed the US players, the ones that they’re required to serve and protect, to be screwed over and get nothing back. 🙄
US players did get their money back. You had to fill out the paper work and make sure your name matches the account name.
@@johnnygolding8683
I never got mine and neither did any of my friends.
It was funny watching him on high stakes poker and how awful he was compared to the top players
Not much was said about Annie who also disappeared from the poker landscape,
Though she wasn't mentioned another player who vanished though I don't recall if she was from the Full Tilt camp or PokerStars is Jen Harmon. I hadn't seen her in years until she was in one of the WSOP tourneys featured in Daniel's TH-cam channel.Howard's style of play wasn't conducive to the High Stakes Poker or other shows that turned an 8-10 hr cash game with multiple buy backs sit n go into a couple 1/2 hour episodes.
He was a grinder that folded a ton of hands, who maximized profit and minimized losses in those hands played and wore people down until they made mistakes. The complete opposite of Negreanu, who to his credit has turned his "likeable good natured everyday Joe" personality (along with elite skill level) into 2 decades of being one of the most important and successful players in the world
He is a crook.
I lost over 4K. Never got it back. If Lederer is truly sorry, he could pay me back.
Agreed!!
Howard is still playing at the tables in New York underground
“How did he end up at rock bottom?” Are you crazy the guy stole 100 million + and NO JAIL.
It’s crazy that it’s been over 12 years and he’s still pretty much stayed away from poker. Even his Wikipedia page basically has no activity since this debacle.
What is he gonna do. The entire poker community hates him. Would probably get harassed if he tried to play
@@bobdole7292
I'm sure he's playing online anonymously at the least
Give me $100 million, you’ll never see me playing poker with a bunch of degenerates again
He stayed away from "visible" poker play. Besides he's comfortable I'm sure.
@@MikeGervasi I wouldn’t be surprised if he hasn’t played a hand of poker in a decade
Human garbage sums it up good
I mean this is a common thing. FTX did the exact same for Billions.
The money that wasn’t refunded went on crypto!
Him and his sister are both scammers and thieves in my opinion. Anytime I see either one I let them know my thoughts.
Even knowing this, Full Tilt was the greatest online poker experience ever. I play on ACR now, and it is great in its own way. Still doesnt compare to the excitement of Full Tilt. I loved so many things about it down to the little things like receiving a t shirt for eliminating a pro.
I loved Full Tilt. Black Friday was a sad day man.
Hey, i got a couple of those t shirts.
The free things you could purchase from player points. I still have the poker set.
All the online sites including Full Tilt would still be around today if the regime had not shut them down.
No doubt about it full tilt was awesome great mix of players. The tournaments were awesome!!!
I had a few friends who got their refunds, but I never received mine. That whole situation was a shit show.
You never got yours??
Nope. I inquired about it when my buddies mentioned they got their funds back, but nothing came out of it. I'm not worried about it since it's been so long, but I would assume others ran into the same issue. That's why I mentioned it.
@@jndriggs I also never received my refund. It was just a little over $1k, but it still irks me today.
I didn't get my refund either, but is was such a small amount I didn't press it. Think is was less than $200 US.
I had about 250 in there and never got a refund either
Teaches the importance on bankroll management? How do you figure that?
Having your entire bankroll seized by the US govt. is not, and will not ever be a factor you should have to take into account when managing a bankroll, it's the absolute antitheses. If you can lose 100% of your roll without even playing a game, how can you manage that?
I got my refund. I had maybe $1500 in my account. My brother in law had over 10K and he onky got a fraction of that
You’re lucky you got your refund!
Where is too much money sure corruption exists!
Don’t feel a bit sorry for this scumbag. He stole enough to make himself comfortable for the rest of his life.
I LOVED that software! Im not sure if howard can ever be forgiven
A Name isn't iconic. Only imagery is iconic - i.e., a person or thing whose Image is famous (the word Icon, in the original Greek, Means Image).
Iconic is now the most overused word on TH-cam, and no doubt the most MISused. Misusers seem to think "iconic" simply means "widely known," instantly recognizable," etc. (and lately, increasingly, that it is interchangeable with "famous").
Also, a person isn't "coined" something (e.g., a nickname). Coin means to invent, as in "coin a phrase." Lederer was be "dubbed," or "styled" The Professor.
IMHO, there are plenty LOL "pros" you are starting to see more of nowadays from the wild wild west of online poker back in the day, that _SHOULD NOT_ be anywhere near poker.
.. what happened to the wall of shame?
helmuth, ivey, dwan, seidel, ferguson, matusow, harman, gordan, lederer, and i dont even remember how many more who i have seen or heard talked about in these last however many years with the 2nd, convid induced, "boom" of "vlogs" and live streaming poker, who arguably need _NOT_ be seen or talked about yet are slithering around "the community" again.... 🤦♂
INB4 no reasonable argument against
How bout that lady that ran Lock Poker that gave her brother all the company's money to buy potential oil reserves in the Canadian Shield (ALLEGEDLY)
i wonder if i would have been the next lederer if i didnt lose over 100k in UltimateBet and years later over 40k from Lock when they vanished overnight.... that both came from $100 deposits (accounts were as low as $2 at one point)
Shelden Adelson is another one.... lobbied against online poker.... cuz he thought it would kill his B&M
I would always joke w/ the floors at Binions when i see $hamilton's picture.... oh, what's in those cabinets under there? are those backup russ hamilton photos to replace all the ones that get defaced? always hask them how many people spit on this.... and what would happen if i did... (they tell me i'll get thrown out.... so i agree to do it on my way out :) )
Since the beginning of the internet I NEVER felt comfortable with `any online gaming, lol I mean really.
Glad I listen to my gut feeling/instincts. MOST humans are not humans they're all Money Robots with no Soul, freaks me out, I call it Planet Freak Show with all the Money Robots killing each other for MORE money. Money is like numbers for most Money Robots, it has no end.
Watch what Daniel Negreanu Said About This! He's at Least Honest and He Knows More About The Situation Than An Outsider Using a little info from the news.
CLIMB MOUNTAINS not so the world can see you, but so you can see the world.
Took me years to get my money back from FT that was frozen on there….I had my bounced check saved from them and if I didn’t I never would have gotten paid…. Pieces of shit ruined it for all of us in the USA….make it legal again in NY!!!!
Best thing that happened to me, online poker was the biggest time and money suck
Already disliked Jezus, Howard and Annie since before full tilt. Doyle, Negreanu, Ivey and Victoria were always the real ones.
Been playing poker all my life. Never trusted online poker or anything online. Never put a dime into it, never will.
Isn’t poker inherently a bit of a Ponzi scheme? The only way to consistently make money is to take advantage of people who aren’t up to your skill level. Otherwise, you could *lose* money.
full tilt wasnt a scam... no site has every single dollar on site. it got abruptly stopped hence. all machinery stopped.. . was tragic how the top players involved got burned. they deserve some scorn.
but everyone was made whole... cause the deficit wasnt extreme.
Definitly a lot easier to win then
Things have changed...
Investigative journalism this is not. WTF did Howard do & how did he do it ~ exactly?! 🤔
Poker Stars was just lucky - Eeeeeveryone remembers the russian bink accounts
I'm confused the narrator states that Lederer went silent from 2011 to 2016 when he gave an interview and took responsibility for what happened...but then the very last scene is the same image from the interview that was supposedly shown in 2016 but is dated 2012 on the screen? So was the interview given in 2012 or 2016?
I noticed that as well.
ran into a superuser named DevilTerry but could never prove it... black Friday hit not to soon after Oh well
Judging by the comments id say maybe 10% of them are from actual poker players and another 2% of those actually played poker back then .
Sounds about right
Huh. Maybe you shouldn't trust people who gamble for a living. Who knew?
Sorry guys for stealing all that money…my bad!!
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@@PokerBoomYT the name just came so naturally!
It's okay, enjoy your retirement!
The fact you liked a comment down below that does cheater apologia is very concerning.
All these top poker 'celebs' are about the slimiest cast of characters you could find. Such of group of losers.
This video praises Lederer way more than it criticizes him, calling him an "Icon" many times.
I was playing a tournament on Paradise Poker. I played quite a few there. One evening, while i was playing, i saw the entire table's whole cards. They were pixelated but legible. It only happened on that one hand. never played online again.
“Hole”
Thanks. ✌🏻👊🏼
oh, so he did the same thing banks do every day, and apps like starbucks/mcdonalds etc on your phone do.
I think most of these guys are scammers. When they're not on televised events, they play for peanuts.
Liquor in the front ,poker in the rear.
I'm shocked that a Hebrew would be involved in such a thing.
What happened? This video is almost completely void of information.
He was terrible. Basic ABC poker that was easily exploited.
Did anyone go to prison ?? Of course not 🙄
I though joe Stapleton was the most hated man in poker? 😮
I like watching these keep up the good work I’d like to hear more stories about old poker players like Amarillo Slim
Really appreciate it. Will def start going more old school soon
Why is the volume in this video so low?
Perfect be jail time for Howie with Tony G as his cellmate. Bahahaha!
It's interesting that he hasn't come back and started the whole scam all over again. This happens so many times where these people get caught, but just months later, they are back at it and no one does anything to stop it...
True. At least it seems like he’s fone
@@PokerBoomYTI apologize but I speak English and I don’t understand the word “fone”?
@@Jusincasedone
@@JusincaseMy god. Do you have any ability to think.
Where do the f and d keys sit on the keyboard.
He made enough to walk away.
Refunds my ass 😅
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His punishment should be his ass given to Fleece Johnson for life.
I remember this day so well. I was logged in to Full Tilt, but had left for the night to go play a live tournament. It wasn't normal for me to leave myself logged in when I wasn't playing, but I forgot to log out this time. While I was at the live tournament we got the news about what had went down. Thanks to my mistake, I was able to play on Full Tilt for 2 more days until my internet hiccuped and I got DC'd. lol.
That’s funny
So you continued playing knowing full well that you couldn’t withdraw anything you won? That doesn’t seem a good decision!
@@Gibraltarianoyou're not aware all US players did get their money?
@@dtny2la They didn’t. Those that did got it from pokerstars years later.
This game is the same for all of them!!! He just got CAUGHT!!!
I hope all this clowns are in jail.
Not the case!
Is it really necessary to go back all the way to his birth? Just tell the story that the title announces.
I think full tilt still has $300-$400 of my money… 🤷♂️
I started playing poker somewhat seriously on the side in the early 2000’s however, I never trusted the online sites when they started popping up everywhere. I feel lucky to never have deposited money into them and feel for those that did. Admittedly, I much prefer live cash games vs online anyway so likely another reason I never played online.
I remember when all hell broke loose and knew quite a few people that had money with them. I only remember one person who had a lot with them and to this day I don’t know if he ever got his money back.
Thanks for sharing
Missed out on loads of money from donks
I got a check for my Full Tilt balance. I was on my worst ever losing streak the weeks leading up to BF.
The weeks leading up to Black Friday had suspicious play. I think the corrupt DOJ investigators had many accounts with super user accounts as they had access to the server before the shut down.
Just like corrupt DEA guys stole bitcoins from Silk Road ..
You missed out on pockets AA only to hit a royal on the turn vs 10 10. Gotta love crazy hands on classic poker stars.. 😅 honestly dumb to see such insane hands fathom out
Yeah it's too bad I paid about $200,000 of my mortgage with poker winnings from 2005-2011.
Lol full tilt owes me money. I always hated Fergie and lederer.
I don't think you understand the definition of the word "How."
He was my favorite player of them all in the 2000's. It's too bad... I'd like to see him playing again.
I believe he played in some wsop event last year, I could be wrong, I know Chris has been playing lately
Money makes you do things you dont want to do , wallstreet