21 STRANGE POKER RULES AND SITUATIONS YOU PROBABLY DIDNT KNOW
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- Everyone knows the basic rules of poker but there are some tricky and odd situations in poker that you dont know .In this poker video we look at 21 odd poker rules and scenarios that you probably did not know.
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Rule #6 is INCORRECT. When balancing players the player who is next to be big blind is always selected, and moved to the worst available seat on the target table.
As other players have suggested, rule #11 is incorrect, the flop action completes, then the river burn is placed face down and the river becomes the turn. The turn card is then shuffled into the stub, then once the turn action is complete it is turned face up as the river.
Rule #14 is only true if substantial action has occurred, otherwise it is a misdeal
Rule #20 is nonsense. You aren’t forced to bet unless you are a blind or ante.
Are you going to correct these mistakes?
Poker dealer here! TDA actually changed the rules regarding checking back the nuts; it’s no longer an automatic penalty. This insinuates that it’s usually collusion but occasionally may have strategic value, I.e., I wanted to know my opponents exact holdings so I just called his 3 bet with the nuts
that's a really good point. small sample size so it shouldn't matter but its at least a legitimate reason. there's just so much nonsense these days with highly organized groups and outside collusion, its tough to allow rules that make that shit even easier.
Good point. I'll call bets with shit if it's cheap enough just to get that info, which can be more valuable than your chips.
This interpretation is not accurate.
Checking back the nuts is not allowed - it can be considered soft play.
The rule change is that "it is not an automatic soft play violation". The reason this was added is because there is a prior rule which states "soft play WILL result in disqualification"
The reason the new rule exists is simply so that the TD has discretion to give a warning or penalty other than disqualification, but the behaviour is still NOT allowed.
Source: Matt Savage
Note: On the river only
@@dylantheTD That's interesting, soft play resulting in a DQ is not a rule I'm familiar with, but I understand the need to keep rules flexible enough to allow TDs to make the best decision given the circumstances.
@@MoodyTheGoose The exact rule (TDA-2022) is "69: Ethical Play
Poker is an individual game. Soft play will result in penalties, which may include chip forfeiture and disqualification. Chip dumping and other forms of collusion will result in disqualification"
Additionally, in
"71: Warnings, Penalties and Disqualification", extract from part B
"...Penalties be given for soft play..."
and
"..Checking the exclusive nuts when last to act on the river is not an automatic soft play violation; TD's discretion applies based on the situation."
There is nothing which states that checking the nuts on the river is explicitly against the rules, but obviously the reason it is mentioned is because it can clearly be intentionally protecting of the other player, a type of soft play. Importantly to understand the last part in full context is 71B - penalties be given. The reason that the last statement is needed is such that a TD can use discretion to explain why they need to bet or otherwise warn the player, rather that is simply be an automatic soft play violation. And as stated in rule 69, soft play will result in penalties which may include chip forfeiture and disqualification. Disqualification would be an extreme cash, but in both 69 and 71 the rule would be an immediate penalty.
It should be noted that many of these rules are tournament or casino-specific
@@joeschmoe8320 They're not all TDA rules so not sure which 'actual' rules you're referring to. Also, casino house rules are a lot more sophisticated than you think.
Absolutely!
Dude's presenting everything as if it's written in stone, when in reality, no two rooms have the exact same rules and procedures.
As evidenced by the confused-ass comment section, videos like this only fuel the confusion.
10-13 were good to know the exact structure of how to handle those situations. some, like the number 14, I can see having house rules. Like the everyone checks on river scenario, I sometimes state a house rule that if everyone is too weak to bet on river, everyone shows unless you want to instamuck
I knew all but 2 of these rules. Interesting video, thanks!
12. Cards exposed when dealing:
If a second card is exposed, a misdeal is declared and a re-shuffle and re-deal occurs
I must say i may go south when playing 1/3 late at night when a table breaks.
Need to clarify something. If the dealer exposes the next card with a player yet to act, that card does come back. But what happens next depends on whether it was the turn or river card. If it's the river card, the remaining deck (including The exposed card) is shuffled and and a river card is dealt. HOWEVER, if it's the turn card, first another card is burned and the "natural" river is dealt set aside face down. Then the deck is shuffled and a new turn card is dealt. If action proceeds to the river, the river card already dealt is flipped over. That way there's no change to what the river card would've been.
TDA rules for that changed this year. that is no longer the case. the video is correct.
That's a lot of words
How does it feel to spend that much time explaining and being wrong?
Problem with that is the players will know during turn action that the river can’t be the previously-exposed card. Re-shuffling for both the turn and river eliminates that extra information.
Thankfully that is not how it is actually done because that would be completely stupid.
Very good videos.
Keep going.
Where's the Muck? As a former dealer, if a player pushes or tosses his cards towards me in/or a manner of giving up his hand, as soon as I grab it it is a dead hand not to be retrieved. This must be done in a swift manner. Good video.
On a table with rake, there is value in "only" calling the nuts in certain spots. For example, a raised pot where both players are deep, no significant action until the river, board is KJQ2T with a naked ace the nuts, first player bets, next player raises, then we see a 3bet. It's very obvious that both players have an ace, and that if both players are obliged to keep raising, then they will both lose money because of rake. By calling the nuts you're minimising the rake, it's a +ev play if you're 100% certain the other guy also has the nuts.
For that last one, I’ve never seen a place that hangs on to leftover small denomination chips. I’ve seen two ways to handle the leftovers: 1) round up to the next denomination (whether you have 1,2,3 or 4 hundreds, you get a 500); or 2) a show down based on how many of the smaller denominations (ex 2 stacks of 4 left over hundreds and a stack of 2 total 1k or 2 500 chips .. the stacks of 4 are dealt 4 cards while the stack of 2 is dealt 2 cards .. the two highest cards gets the 500 chips).
While many organisers show down from left of dealer, it is also permissible to revert to the aggressor of the previous street, or the street prior to that, or the PF aggressor
A lot of these are varying. Like checking the river, agreeing to check the river, especially when heads up.
Regards to purchasing chips from another player's chips.
This happens often in my local cardroom. The dealer will call for chips so the exchange can happen at the table (common practice in UK casinos where floats are not present on the poker tables).
Cash can be switched for chips between players, so long as the cash stays on the table, so the exchange between the house and player still occurs and no money is lost from the table. This allows the new player to immediately start without placing in notes to the pot.
At our poker room, for cash games, you must do your first buy-in at the desk. If you need to reload or add on, you must give the cash to the dealer. At that point, if you're buying in for, let's say 200, and the dealer only has 25s in the tray (in this example, we'll say that they're waiting on a fill), you would give your 200 to the dealer, you can then ask another player for 200 in 5s, and that other player would receive the 200 in 25s from the tray.
You’ll need chips less than the small blind for the ante
Also the example he used is a really bad one, even if there are no antes. The next level after 500/1000 is usually 600/1200, which isn't possible if you don't have chips smaller than 500.
How bout if the big blind has such a little chipstack they are forced all in just with the ante, can it really checked around pre like it does at Global poker?
if ur purchasing chips from another player isnt that keeping the number of live chips in the game even? if theres 1500BB at the table and seat one has 50BB and seat 2 has 150bb, seat 1 could pay 50bb for 50bb of seat 2’s chips and theyd have 100 each which is the same amount of chips. It’s a bit different from going south i feel like bc no amount of chips left the table (even if one player did get to cash out the value of their chips. table stakes is still maintained which is the point no?)
Guess going south thing is diffrent from place to place, never heard it as a rule in europe, but frowned upon yes. Didnt know it was a rule
all casinos tournments etc tend to have their own rules .....but there is call for them to be harmonized in sync
@@silverkitty2503 my comment is regarding cashgames, since tou cant remove chips in tournaments
@@jonkristiankveli6870 casinos tend to have their own rules for cash games too ...
@@jonkristiankveli6870 it's definitely a rule in tournaments too. Players have been known to remove chips from their stack if they think they have no chance of cashing, and adding them to their stack after a rebuy, or I the same tournament the next week. Penalties range from disqualification from that tournament to a lifetime ban.
Did you mentioned the rule where, for example, player1 bets $10 in a 1/2 game. Then player2 goes all-in for $16,
finally, player 3 CANNOT reopen the action by doing a Re-raise, it’s impossible to do a re-raise since player2 didn’t do a minimum-raise as he didn’t have enough chips.
I believe the minimum raise that player2 would have to do for player 3 to be able to re-raise in this example is, the previous raise x 2 = $18
Please correct me if I’m wrong since I’ve seen some people say the minimum raise would be $20, but I’ve seen others not include the big blind value, $2, in the total
i beleive you can go all in tho
I think this is not quite correct. If you go all in for less than the minimum required raise, but raise 50% or more of the last raise, the action is still open. A 1/2 game where the first open is to $10 ($2 bb + $8 raise) and the next action is all in for $16 leaves the next player room to raise, because the $16 bet constitutes a $6 raise, which is 50% or more of last raise of $8. So long as the player who went all in over the $10 open was in for $14 ore more, the pot can be reraised. If they go in for $11-$13, then no more raises can happen.
I might be wrong about 50% of more vs more than 50%. The actual numbers might be shifted by a dollar. $11-$14 = no more raising and $15-$17 = raising possible.
@@jdratlif What you just described is a *fixed-limit* game procedure, but not a NL/PL one.
Here's a helpful formula for caculating raise minimums in big-bet games:
(Current bet x 2) - (previous bet) = minimum needed to re-open betting
In your example, it's:
($10 x 2) - $2 = $18
However, you have too many players in your scenario for this rule to matter yet. Only Player 1 will be affected by this rule.
Payer 3 can do whatever he wants, because he has yet to be given a chance to act on his hand on the current betting round.
If Player 2 is all-in for $16, then it is only the original raiser (Player 1, who raised to $10) who cannot re-open action.
Hope that helps clear it up. 👍
@@jdratlif The 50% raise rule is when someone tries to raise but didnt put in enough chips but put in 50% or more. They are then forced to raise. That rule has nothing to do with the next person's action at all. If a player has not acted, they are entitled to all their actions fold, raise or call
Isn't number 11 wrong if the turn is out before its time then .. u burn and put the river face down .. then u shuffle the turn back in the deck and shuffle ... that way the action on the river doesn't change
What counts as the nuts for the "checking the nuts" rule? If there are two A's and an K on the board, the technical nuts is quads. But if I'm holding AK, then I know no one can beat me, yet I don't actually have the nuts. Do I have to bet this, according to the rule?
Yes. If you're holding the best possible hand it is the nuts, regardless of the community cards saying otherwise. If you're first to go on the river say, you can check. If you are last to go you must bet or raise.
Being first to go, checking can be to your advantage as someone else may rep the nuts, even then you may NOT call.
No
Nuts would be 4 a’s still they don’t know what you have until you show
You have the nuts in this situation as it is impossible for you to loose the hand assuming rest of cards are blanks & no straight flush available so you would be required to bet if last to act
I thought you had to have the “absolute” nuts for this rule to apply.
So if you’re raising with one chip you always have to say “raise”?
Yes.
... or the amount. Someone bets 10, you put a 100 chip in .... means call. You put a 100 chip in announce "raise" in means raise to 100. You put a 100 chip in and announce "50" it means raise to 50. Note: Verbal announcements are only valid if they are made before or at the same time you put your chip(s) in
@@tom-qj6uw as long as the chip is enough to raise. I've seen people in a $1/$3 or $2/$3 game say "five", and put a $5 chip in, which is a raise to $6, because that's the minimum. If it was $2/$4, that would be a call, but if they said "raise to five", it would be a raise to $8. Seems pretty unlikely someone would make that mistake in a $2/$4 game though.
you forgot to mention about ante when someone is all in for less than the big blind
If you are involved in a hand, and player x shows his/her cards to other players who are not involved, do they then need to show that hand to the table?
Yes, when the hand is over
@@Dcmazters If a player shows his hand to someone still in the hand then mucks, the dealer will expose the hand to all and the player who showed his cards can be penalized.
wow ive never heard of the checking the nuts rule but i barely play tournaments and run terribly :) (kidding)
i hate when ''pro'' players disregard the ''Who Shows First'' rule.
If you have the balls to bluff then YOU HAVE to have the same balls to show the fucking bluff.
i hate when players say ''you got it'' and they muck their losing bluff hand. No! i want to KNOW your hand! thats the point of ''Who Shows First'' rule!
You are allowed to muck on the river, unless you are all in. Winning player does not need to show their hand
If you called their bluff, you are allowed to demand to see their hand. It's sometimes regarded as bad etiquette, but hey: you paid for it so you can see it.
@@kovado that’s true, but if you make them flip it up then the hand plays and if it beats you then you lose.
That is completely wrong when it comes to dealing a premature turn card. You allow flop action to complete. You then deal the natural river as the new turn card. Then once action is complete on that card, only then do you follow the steps which you said. Shuffle the premature back into the deck and deal the new river
This is no longer the case... see recently updated TDA Floor Rules... Video is correct...
What happens if a player sees anyther player's card when they were dealt through no fault of their own?
Then they should declare to the table that they saw the card and what it is. This is on the principal that no player should have access to information that other players don't have. It is every player's responsibility to protect their hand.
Can someone tell me where I can find rule 20 in the TDA?
After rule 19
Yet another different type of video to the usual clips of hands regurgitated over and over again by other channels
Who cares.
DONT WATCH THEN.
@@82PeRK I was complimenting this channel for it's content and NOT making those types of videos. Did you read my comment?
@@Bhodisatvas i did but it looks like it could go both ways .
Does it not.
Never heard of #20. I thought you could fold or go all in if you have less than the big blind. Never played where you're forced all in on the next hand
Yeah it’s total rubbish.
I believe #20 applies only if you choose to play the hand (in which case you go all-in pre-flop), as opposed to folding it (i.e., not playing that hand) and then waiting for the next one. Of course, the big blind will eventually come around to you, at which point you will be forced all-in.
I have not seen this in ANY of the poker sites I've played at-and I've been on close to ten. You should only be forced all-in when you do not have enough chips to pay either the antes or blinds. This is most often strategically prevalent in tournaments, where you are close to the bubble or moving up a spot on the pay ladder, and folding is the correct play.
He said "the next hand you play". The wording is a bit ambiguous, but most players consider "playing" a hand to mean putting chips in the pot, not just being dealt in.
@freezer8530 that makes more sense. The way it was worded in video made it seem as if you were put all in regardless. I have been playing awhile and never seen it happen so I was wondering wth.
Just to be clear, if you see a marked card there is NO RULE that states you have to let everyone know. If you're playing with new inexperienced players or friends it's ok to let people know. If you're at a casino or home game you are perfectly within your rights to take advantage of this knowledge as long as you had nothing to do with the cards being marked. I have seen experienced rounders purposefully bring used cards from the casino. (For those that don't know these cards are cut or punctured with a machine and black spots are quite common on some or even all cards. ) Again this is still not cheating, just very very scummy.
Tell that to Phil Ivey
@@MitchMitsch HAHA
@@MitchMitsch Phil Ivey is *clearly* already aware of how it works.
It's the casinos who need the lesson.
#3 is not really correct. There are two ways to do this: a) as explained in the video and b) Last action shows first, and this includes previous streets. For example, if the Button raises on the flop, gets called, and then Turn and River are checked through, the Button shows first! The latter showdown rule has been used in almost all the cash games I ever played.
You are not correct at all
Yes this is wrong, the dealer deals the river face down, THEN reshuffles the turn. Great content tho 👍
Although this may be different or have changed as a rule, but this is how I have seen it happen on multiple occasions
The rule is the current river becomes the turn and the pre-exposed turn is shuffled back in and becomes the river.
I believe it changed in 2017 or 2019 from what you are describing to what I stated above.
I believe #4 changed this year it is now allowed to check the nuts.
It hasn’t. It isn’t an automatic penalty, it is a warning then penalty on further offences
In some rooms, rule 3 is different, and the last bettor including all streets shows first.
#11. The dealer should burn and put out the would be river as the turn and then put the exposed card in and reshuffle. Try to keep the hand as close to what it was going to be as possible.
You gain information then though, if you accidentally turn the Queen of Hearts, but put out the river before reshuffling, everyone knows the river is not the Queen of Hearts.
Wrong
This is no longer the case... see recently updated TDA Rules 2022 Rules Version 1.0, Sept 2022... Video is correct...
@@EnderSword No, the premature turn goes back into the deck.
The procedure he described only moves the original river to the turn. Everything else is preserved.
how do you know you have the nuts?
If you have a hand that can't be beaten by any cards anyone else could possibly have, you have the nuts.
Rule 3 is different in different casinos. Most do it the way you described but some use the more fair method of last aggressive action meaning the last one to bet any street.
Think about it, they bet the turn in position and you called, you paid your money to see their hand, they ought to show first regardless of the river action, being OOP is difficult enough without the added burden of showing first even though you're the caller, I wish all casinos would do this the fair way.
Those places that do any street and force that player to show are misunderstanding the rule of showdowns.
Another interesting rule. I know it applies to cash, not sure tournament. If the winner of the hand asks for a mucked hand to be exposed, that hand becomes live.
1st 😊
Gay
#4 is outdated. You are now allowed to NOT bet/raise with the nuts when last to act. Stupid rule change!
Poker stopped being a thing the second Texas hold em became a thing.
Texas hold em isn't poker.
Just wondering, which game IS poker? Is it 5 card draw? Omaha? 7 card stud? Razz? 9 card? Spit in the Ocean? Omaha split 8? Pineapple? Manilla? Strip poker? All of the above except Texas Hold'em? Just wondering...
@@auckman2281 It's either all of those and more, or it's 5 cards. Not 5 card draw, just 5 cards and that's it. Everything else is a variant, but they're all still poker.
number 16 is completely wrong... throwing 1 chip without saying anything will mean that if the chip is at list twice as large as the last bet or blind, it is considered a raise... if the chip is smaller or the same as the last bet or blind then its considered a call... thats standard in every casino around the world...
@Damien Montero you might go mental, but it'd still be correct. Even if it was a $1000 chip, that's still a call.
@Damien Montero it is in every casino I've ever been in. If where you play it isn't, they're not using standard rules.
@@Jivvi There's no such thing as "standard rules" in poker, man.
Several groups attempt to make them, but they all discover that poker cannot be governed in black-and-white, and that it MUST remain grey in order to be efficient.
Incorrect, an oversized chip without saying anything is a call.
Poker dealer here! TDA actually changed the rules regarding checking back the nuts; it’s no longer an automatic penalty. This insinuates that it’s usually collusion but occasionally may have strategic value, I.e., I wanted to know my opponents exact holdings so I just called his 3 bet with the nuts
Interesting
@@jaypeters5224 This interpretation is not accurate.
Checking back the nuts is not allowed - it can be considered soft play.
The rule change is that "it is not an automatic soft play violation". The reason this is added, is there is a prior rule which states "soft play WILL result in disqualification"
The reason the new rule exists is simply so that the TD has discretion to give a warning, but the behaviour is still not allowed.
Note: On the river only
Let's say the board is TJQKA rainbow,
Pot is low, betting only makes sure you pay more rake. In that case it is allowed to check back the nuts right?
Multi-faceted poker expert here!
Despite their arrogant attitudes, the TDA is a not an authority.
Their rules are not optimal - nor was there ever a time when they even came close.
They're some of the most closed-minded and insecure fools I've ever dealt with...in poker, or otherwise.