Another awesome test Brother. As i get older the more i find my 38s loaded with 158 grain lrn. Its what i shoot and so i just load what i have. The 158 worked for grandpa back back in the day.
Hey man, love the format and the knowledge. What a breath of fresh air. Quick question: ten years ago you really loved the Ruger SP101 2.25”. You put over 4,000 rounds through it. Did you just did get tired of it or do you find the Smith’s better? Your opinion carries a lot of weight now that I have binged way too much of your channel. Keep up the great work and sincerely thanks for all your free content and amazing breadth of thoughtfulness and real world application. God Bless
Oh yeah, Don't listen to the 2% that are griping and beotchin brother. They always seem the loudest but always remember they are a very very small but vocal minority. Your channel has done well because most folks are just fine with your methods , your testing, your shooting , equip etc. We wouldnt be here otherwise. Hope that helps. (Your doing things fine in other words) Screw the whiners and armchair QB's
Another great test!!! You are my go-to channel for ballistic testing👍...also, i wanted point out to "new" shooters that while there is no bullet creep in a semi auto , one should keep an eye on the round that gets cycled repeatedly from unloading/cleaning/reloading, that the projectile doesn't get pushed deeper into the case and cause pressure issues......stay safe & shoot straight 👍
That 9mm snubbie is lookin' like a winner winner chicken dinner at get off me ranges..Clanging that steel like the Liberty bell on Independence day..😂😂
@@gB-xd5fk I don't have one. But, all the videos I can see on them, they work just as slick as rimmed cartridges in a standard revolver. Loading the cylinder wouldn't be as quick as each cartridge has some drag when pressing them in, due to the spring loaded extractor tabs. But it's not difficult. It was meant to be a backup for law enforcement and gives them the ability to use the same cartridges between their semi- and the revolver. The revolver being far more reliable over long periods of time (backup better be more reliable).
Way back in the day, end of the 70's early 80's my PD went to silver tips to replace the Super Vel ammo. It didn't last long. The performance of the silver tips was not good at all for expansion so they didn't last long at all in use. We liked shooting them at night though because the muzzle flash from the super vels was absolutely huge. After the second shot in the dark all you could see were spots from the afterimages of the shots. We hated that factor of the super vels. Seeing your tests I'm starting to think if you really want a revolver it should be in 9mm instead of 38. Big difference in velocity as the 9mm has a higher pressure than the old 38's do. A couple reloads using moon clips wouldn't add much weight if you carry something like the old airweight, if S&W offers it in 9mm.
That Super Vel 38special sure was sharp in muzzleblast! I found a half box in the 90s from a desk I was moving for a lady. She gave them to me. Never have come across anything like it since.
Hi Sam, that 110 grains .38 surprised me because it didn't shoot as low as I expected, the penetration was as low as I expected though. It could be a good round to use in a competition, the kick looks very mild and the flash is also quite acceptable, I guess you will ring the steel like a clock with this load in the 686 .
I have been thinking about the 9mm/10mm revolver debate and concede that they are both good options if you prefer a revolver and mainly use factory ammo. Thanks for the new post!
Great Vid! Paul Harrell compared new school to old school 9mm Silvertip & Gun Sam did the same w 10mm! The new 9mm Silvertip was one of the 8 rounds in my 1st MODERN MEAT TARGET....but that's Double MDF thick breast bone
As Sam said in his introduction ; he corrects the brightness in post production . So the conditions in the field ( woods)while filming are different than they appear in the video .
They can be equally effective. You can get higher capacity (6 vs 5) and lighter frames in .38 Special revolvers (i.e. Taurus 856 UL), while 9mm is cheaper to shoot and generally more powerful. All depends on your priorities. Thanks for sharing.
The standard pressures in a 9mm vs. a .38 special are wildly different. One was designed high pressure, one was not. We'll see what the wheel gun has to say about it. Also, there is a reason revolver ammo has a knurled crimp. And target shooting is a lot different from self defense shooting. An 8 inch group is good to go at any distance.
That's a decent group at 12 yards, but I prefer to practice what would happen in the real world. When I shoot at 12 yards, I do it exactly as if I was being mugged in a grocery store parking lot by three juveniles carrying stolen Glocks with 30 round mags and "giggle switches". I shoot one handed with my arm behind me while running away from the target screaming "Mommy!". Two notes, A.) that "real world" practice opens up my groups, a LOT, and B.) I have been banned from every public range in my town; can I come up North and shoot with you?
Being that they don't sell like they used to due to all the modern stuff like PDX1/Ranger, and other brands like Gold Dot and HST, Silvertips tend to cost less than most other ammo. HST/Gold Dot/Critical Duty tends to average about $30/20 between real stores and online stores. Silvertip averages more like $20/20 now days. I recently bough a 50 round box of 9mm Silvertip for $25. I will say this though, Winchester Silvertip 115 gr 9mm is just like Winchester USA 115 gr JHP, with the exception that Silvertip goes about 100 FPS faster in my 5" barrel. It's energy is typical for 9mm+P, but it's a standard pressure, so it's not bad ammo.
@GunSam Oh I am right there with you. Several better choices nowadays. I can remember reading in paper magazines how great silvertips were supposed to be. The testing in those days was apt to be shooting soggy phone books. 😄
Nice Comparison evaluation as usual GS. I read in 1 major 5yr testing of ammo by multiple agencies that said in their evaluation most Hollowpoint projectiles worked (expanded) best from 1000-1100 fps. Some were good at 11-1200 but more were good at 1000-1100 Most were NOT good from 900-1000. I'm sure that 45acp 200+gr was the exception however. This was in ALL pistol calibers they were speaking about. (in bulk numbers of what expanded and did well in their testing in general) Something I always think about when selection HP ammo and looking at FPS.
Hey, something I thought about the other day when another TH-camr was testing the sccy 9mm and it failed terribly... For people that reaaaly need a self defense firearm in the cheapest possible price range, like, under 150, I think an old used h&r 32 long is a better option that a new really crappy semi automatic. You could find one on the cheap and do a psa adout how decent it is versus a new but very cheap automatic.
I know the goal is an even ammo test. But if we are just looking at it from a choice between two calibers within revolvers (and not semi v revolver), my main worry point is the reliability of moon clips in daily carry usage and storage. Ex getting bent while in a pack, pocket, etc.
The Moon Clip in the gun that started out there when you left the house , no issues . For Reloads , Best Practices is to carry two Moon Clips in a Speedloader pouch , or other purpose build carrier . For loose in the pocket , it's inherently problematic, and Speedloaders would do better .
Bullet creep in revolvers IS a thing...however: With 9mm it is not very likely because the bullets and recoil, are relatively light. It most often occurs with heavy-for-caliber bullets in magnum velocity loads. It is not a bad thing to check, but not likely to occur with 9mm. But it IS another issue with using rimless cartridges in revolvers.
Preventing bullet movement is the very reason rimmed cartridges use a roll crimp to embed that mouth into the bullet. Far superior to the taper crimp used by rimless ammo.
@@SCH292 I think the popularity of rimless cartridge revolvers stems from 9mm ammo being the cheapest centerfire range ammo available for people who just "want a revolver" but also want easy ammo selection and something that also works on their 9mm semi-autos. The reason for the 10mm revolvers is that there are no more options for .41 Magnum and ammo for .41 Magnum is scarce. Still, I am NOT a fan of rimless ammo in revolvers. I would just choose one of my .44 Magnum revolvers over a 10mm _anything_ any day. I am a handloader and bullet caster so cheap, readily available ammo is never an issue for me in any firearm I own.
I used the 142 grain .357 magnum Silver Tip in a revolver with a 4 inch barrel, it was like shooting FMJ rounds, would not expand for me. By the way i still hate the 9 Mighty Mite, Thanks.
I would like your opinion about 9mm revolvers in general. I'm in the fence about an LCRX 3" in 9. I have the 38 version and I love it. Price of ammo is the main reason I'm considering it.
As a fan of your channel for some time I have an question about your rheumatoid arthritis. I also have RA along with AS. I'm 41 and still have good hand strength but my question is how old were you when diagnosed and what you do to help with it. As someone who 1st hand knows how debilitating it can be I admire you all the more for all the behind the scenes work. Thank you sir. Great content and great shooting Sam.
I have AS as well with it. I was diagnosed in 2017 when I was 37. For me, continuing on medications is what has helped the most, currently on Rinvoq. Also, eating smaller portions has helped some, as well as trying to NOT rest too much. Sounds counterintuitive, but the longer I can go throughout the day without trying to nap, the less pain I am in overall.
Greetings from Michigan - Can you talk about trigger pull length differences between Ruger / Taurus / Smith / Colt? My own personal experience with a Ruger sp101, Smith 17, Colt python (new model), I notice the Ruger has the deepest pull - i.e. my finger has to curl back the furthest and that python has the smoothest. I'm certain that you've shot far more with revolvers than myself so I was wondering your thoughts on that.
I don't have a lot of Colt experience, and if we exclude the LCR which has a light cam action trigger and compare a typical S&W VS a Ruger SP101, I have experienced the same description. When I had a couple SP101's I would almost describe the double action trigger press as longer than normal and like pulling back a bow or slingshot. Really long and rubbery before it breaks, often getting more and more heavy before it breaks. A S&W is more of a brick wall all first, then it becomes a tad lighter once it starts moving and remains smooth until the shot breaks. Taurus seems a tad more like S&W for starting out heavy and remaining smooth, but it also has a tad amount of that Ruger rubbery-ness before the hammer drops.
Agreed the 9mm performed much better. Your testing is great and I've watched them all for years. Please don't discuss your negative reviews. There will alway be some. Recent videos you try to address these and it's a distraction from your wonderful videos. Just ignore it!
Is that 38 meant to be low recoil ammo? It might have done better if it was +P if the bullet construction was right. The 9mm seemed like reasonable stuff to carry.
I would have to check the current offerings, but indeed back in the day when Silvertip Was W-W 's premium offering , it was indeed offered in Std and Plus P . Silvertip is a product of its Time . Back in the early '80s the problem was nothing JHP expanding from a 2 inch .38 . W-W set out to develope a load that absolutely; positively Expand . And they did . And it did reasonably well in the real world , particularly compared to other standard velocity offerings back in the day . At least as long as the Felons weren't wearing Levi Jackets , Carharts , or Heavy Leather . Montana , Northern Michigan , or Maine , that's a problem 6 months of the year ..But summer there , or down south or southwestern desterts where 57 degrees is a cold snap ......
@@BlakeHouse-j3u The Hornady Critical Defense in 38Spl+P seems to be reasonably consistent. It's also a 110gr but has enough velocity to penetrate properly and is usually not put off by a bit of cloth. Remington has a 110gr +P loading as well that seems to be a shade more powerful than the Hornady, but it is an old school bullet.
Thing about testing X defensive rds they’re going to perform the same ! Why because manufacturers nerf or buff em to preform a certain way so these videos are a little silly. Show me a max hand load so I can see the truth behind the ballistics, not the ammo manufacturers.
Another awesome test Brother. As i get older the more i find my 38s loaded with 158 grain lrn. Its what i shoot and so i just load what i have. The 158 worked for grandpa back back in the day.
Good gracious the tech comment-eating monster is out today. Can't get anything to stick.
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Hey man, love the format and the knowledge. What a breath of fresh air. Quick question: ten years ago you really loved the Ruger SP101 2.25”. You put over 4,000 rounds through it. Did you just did get tired of it or do you find the Smith’s better? Your opinion carries a lot of weight now that I have binged way too much of your channel. Keep up the great work and sincerely thanks for all your free content and amazing breadth of thoughtfulness and real world application. God Bless
Damn, if 9mm snubs become more common it's gonna be "bye bye .38sp+p vs 9mm"
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤I have 357 and 44 in revolver for outdoor
99.9% aren't shooting as well as you i.m.o. Thanks for another good and interesting test. Stay safe.
Man I'm not sure how anybody can criticize your marksmanship. I think you're a very good shot. Thanks for this video.
And as always, the best ballistics test ever conceived. You should be working for a damn ammo manufacturer.
Thanks lol
Oh yeah, Don't listen to the 2% that are griping and beotchin brother. They always seem the loudest but always remember they are a very very small but vocal minority. Your channel has done well because most folks are just fine with your methods , your testing, your shooting , equip etc. We wouldnt be here otherwise. Hope that helps. (Your doing things fine in other words) Screw the whiners and armchair QB's
Always interesting seeing if ammo can get the job done in a snubbie.
Thanks for the informative video.
I carry a LCR .38 and based on your recommendation I load Hornady Critical Defense .38+P 110gr. FTX
Best gun channel on TH-cam! By the way,screw the haters on your comments. 😂👊🇺🇸
Thank you
Another great test!!! You are my go-to channel for ballistic testing👍...also, i wanted point out to "new" shooters that while there is no bullet creep in a semi auto , one should keep an eye on the round that gets cycled repeatedly from unloading/cleaning/reloading, that the projectile doesn't get pushed deeper into the case and cause pressure issues......stay safe & shoot straight 👍
I'm sure we all appreciate you being willing to shed blood for the cause.
Interesting test. The .38 behaves very strangely, surprising.
Your response to comments always has me laughing. I can’t believe people are so rude.
"bad test, redo it with..." I get that every day lol
@GunSam they could just do it themselves but that takes the fun out of trolling 🤣🤣
That 9mm snubbie is lookin' like a winner winner chicken dinner at get off me ranges..Clanging that steel like the Liberty bell on Independence day..😂😂
I love that you don't use shot up blocks. Let's see it through a 4".
Did NOT expect this much PENETRATION & EXPANSION in the comments. 👀
@El_Peto I save those for your Mom. She always gives me her best potential. Leaves her jeans on the floor. No denim.
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All these revolver 9mm tests really make me want one this is great work thank you.
Charter Arms Pit Bull doesn't require moon clips, if you're interested. They also run .40 and .45 options.
@@exothermal.sprocket I'm assuming you have one if so how's extraction?
@@gB-xd5fk I don't have one. But, all the videos I can see on them, they work just as slick as rimmed cartridges in a standard revolver. Loading the cylinder wouldn't be as quick as each cartridge has some drag when pressing them in, due to the spring loaded extractor tabs. But it's not difficult. It was meant to be a backup for law enforcement and gives them the ability to use the same cartridges between their semi- and the revolver. The revolver being far more reliable over long periods of time (backup better be more reliable).
Chiappa offers a 6 shot 9mike-mike "conversion" cylinder (w/high quality moon clips and case unclipping tool) for their .357s.
Taurus has a few, one of them in a convertible allowing you to swap cylinders between .357/.38 to 9mm/.380
great video Sam
Don’t listen to all the assholes sitting on there couch. Love the videos and all the information you put out
Don't let people get under your skin, brother! You are a fine shooter, and I appreciate your hard work in producing your videos. 👍
Where are all these people at? The comments always seem pretty tame to me.
Back in the 1980's and into the 90's, Silvertips were not cheap ammo. They were expensive, premium line stuff.
Everybody is a TH-cam commando.
Just settled in for the evening. LET'S GO!!! 👍❤💯
Way back in the day, end of the 70's early 80's my PD went to silver tips to replace the Super Vel ammo. It didn't last long. The performance of the silver tips was not good at all for expansion so they didn't last long at all in use. We liked shooting them at night though because the muzzle flash from the super vels was absolutely huge. After the second shot in the dark all you could see were spots from the afterimages of the shots. We hated that factor of the super vels. Seeing your tests I'm starting to think if you really want a revolver it should be in 9mm instead of 38. Big difference in velocity as the 9mm has a higher pressure than the old 38's do. A couple reloads using moon clips wouldn't add much weight if you carry something like the old airweight, if S&W offers it in 9mm.
That Super Vel 38special sure was sharp in muzzleblast! I found a half box in the 90s from a desk I was moving for a lady. She gave them to me. Never have come across anything like it since.
Hi Sam, that 110 grains .38 surprised me because it didn't shoot as low as I expected, the penetration was as low as I expected though. It could be a good round to use in a competition, the kick looks very mild and the flash is also quite acceptable, I guess you will ring the steel like a clock with this load in the 686 .
Ive got a good feeling about Liberty civil defense in the Taurus 905, I really want to see you test it!
Thank you for the hard work. You're comparisons are always interesting and informative.
Good test, eye opening. 🤔👍👍
I have been thinking about the 9mm/10mm revolver debate and concede that they are both good options if you prefer a revolver and mainly use factory ammo. Thanks for the new post!
Great Vid! Paul Harrell compared new school to old school 9mm Silvertip & Gun Sam did the same w 10mm! The new 9mm Silvertip was one of the 8 rounds in my 1st MODERN MEAT TARGET....but that's Double MDF thick breast bone
Interesting how people on their keyboards far away from your location and environment know your equipment better than you do.
As Sam said in his introduction ; he corrects the brightness in post production . So the conditions in the field ( woods)while filming are different than they appear in the video .
They can be equally effective. You can get higher capacity (6 vs 5) and lighter frames in .38 Special revolvers (i.e. Taurus 856 UL), while 9mm is cheaper to shoot and generally more powerful. All depends on your priorities. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for the test and review. I'm more of a lead swc or the Lehigh defender fan for 38 Special out of a short barrel.
Holy Bots, Batman!!
The standard pressures in a 9mm vs. a .38 special are wildly different. One was designed high pressure, one was not. We'll see what the wheel gun has to say about it. Also, there is a reason revolver ammo has a knurled crimp. And target shooting is a lot different from self defense shooting. An 8 inch group is good to go at any distance.
That's a decent group at 12 yards, but I prefer to practice what would happen in the real world. When I shoot at 12 yards, I do it exactly as if I was being mugged in a grocery store parking lot by three juveniles carrying stolen Glocks with 30 round mags and "giggle switches". I shoot one handed with my arm behind me while running away from the target screaming "Mommy!". Two notes, A.) that "real world" practice opens up my groups, a LOT, and B.) I have been banned from every public range in my town; can I come up North and shoot with you?
I also subscribe to practice how you play that’s why I do dry fire training with a 36” bolt action 10 gauge from my sisters moped.
@El_Peto 😂🤣😆
Yes, reality-based training. Understanding that you may get shot in the crotch. 😮 Think before you act!
Dicken Drill isn't bad either though.
Also, if you can hit well at 12 yards, you'll hit better at 3 yards.
It seems like I am getting old. I remember when Winchester Silvertips were considered top the line defensive ammo.
Being that they don't sell like they used to due to all the modern stuff like PDX1/Ranger, and other brands like Gold Dot and HST, Silvertips tend to cost less than most other ammo. HST/Gold Dot/Critical Duty tends to average about $30/20 between real stores and online stores. Silvertip averages more like $20/20 now days. I recently bough a 50 round box of 9mm Silvertip for $25. I will say this though, Winchester Silvertip 115 gr 9mm is just like Winchester USA 115 gr JHP, with the exception that Silvertip goes about 100 FPS faster in my 5" barrel. It's energy is typical for 9mm+P, but it's a standard pressure, so it's not bad ammo.
@GunSam Oh I am right there with you. Several better choices nowadays. I can remember reading in paper magazines how great silvertips were supposed to be. The testing in those days was apt to be shooting soggy phone books. 😄
Nice Comparison evaluation as usual GS. I read in 1 major 5yr testing of ammo by multiple agencies that said in their evaluation most Hollowpoint projectiles worked (expanded) best from 1000-1100 fps. Some were good at 11-1200 but more were good at 1000-1100 Most were NOT good from 900-1000. I'm sure that 45acp 200+gr was the exception however. This was in ALL pistol calibers they were speaking about. (in bulk numbers of what expanded and did well in their testing in general) Something I always think about when selection HP ammo and looking at FPS.
Thanks for a awesome video
Hey, something I thought about the other day when another TH-camr was testing the sccy 9mm and it failed terribly... For people that reaaaly need a self defense firearm in the cheapest possible price range, like, under 150, I think an old used h&r 32 long is a better option that a new really crappy semi automatic. You could find one on the cheap and do a psa adout how decent it is versus a new but very cheap automatic.
Well shit. Guess I need a 9mm snub now. Thanks Sammy.
I know the goal is an even ammo test. But if we are just looking at it from a choice between two calibers within revolvers (and not semi v revolver), my main worry point is the reliability of moon clips in daily carry usage and storage. Ex getting bent while in a pack, pocket, etc.
The Moon Clip in the gun that started out there when you left the house , no issues .
For Reloads , Best Practices is to carry two Moon Clips in a Speedloader pouch , or other purpose build carrier . For loose in the pocket , it's inherently problematic, and Speedloaders would do better .
Thank you.
Yup got me a 9mm snub
Good test. I like that 9mm Silvertip
Bullet creep in revolvers IS a thing...however:
With 9mm it is not very likely because the bullets and recoil, are relatively light. It most often occurs with heavy-for-caliber bullets in magnum velocity loads.
It is not a bad thing to check, but not likely to occur with 9mm.
But it IS another issue with using rimless cartridges in revolvers.
Preventing bullet movement is the very reason rimmed cartridges use a roll crimp to embed that mouth into the bullet. Far superior to the taper crimp used by rimless ammo.
@@blackhawk7r221 As I said..."another issue with using rimless cartridges in revolvers."
I'm a 9mm guy. Shit I stay away from 9mm revolvers. They are fun "for the novelty" and "what if" talk.
@@garyK.45ACP Touche’ Good job
@@SCH292 I think the popularity of rimless cartridge revolvers stems from 9mm ammo being the cheapest centerfire range ammo available for people who just "want a revolver" but also want easy ammo selection and something that also works on their 9mm semi-autos.
The reason for the 10mm revolvers is that there are no more options for .41 Magnum and ammo for .41 Magnum is scarce.
Still, I am NOT a fan of rimless ammo in revolvers. I would just choose one of my .44 Magnum revolvers over a 10mm _anything_ any day.
I am a handloader and bullet caster so cheap, readily available ammo is never an issue for me in any firearm I own.
I used the 142 grain .357 magnum Silver Tip in a revolver with a 4 inch barrel, it was like shooting FMJ rounds, would not expand for me. By the way i still hate the 9 Mighty Mite, Thanks.
Surprising expansion. Out if a 3 or 3.5" barrel both those should do better
Oh No, more "Bullet Creep" drama
38spl I rather stick to 147gr WC
For older revolvers that are not +P rated it would be hard to argue with you.
That's the first time I have ever seen a silvertip expand like that, even if it was the plain gel. I always see them either come apart or just fail.
“ You don’t make your shots ‼️ I can see the stunt double making the hits ‼️‼️ “
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I would like your opinion about 9mm revolvers in general. I'm in the fence about an LCRX 3" in 9. I have the 38 version and I love it. Price of ammo is the main reason I'm considering it.
As a fan of your channel for some time I have an question about your rheumatoid arthritis. I also have RA along with AS. I'm 41 and still have good hand strength but my question is how old were you when diagnosed and what you do to help with it. As someone who 1st hand knows how debilitating it can be I admire you all the more for all the behind the scenes work. Thank you sir. Great content and great shooting Sam.
I have AS as well with it. I was diagnosed in 2017 when I was 37. For me, continuing on medications is what has helped the most, currently on Rinvoq. Also, eating smaller portions has helped some, as well as trying to NOT rest too much. Sounds counterintuitive, but the longer I can go throughout the day without trying to nap, the less pain I am in overall.
Greetings from Michigan - Can you talk about trigger pull length differences between Ruger / Taurus / Smith / Colt? My own personal experience with a Ruger sp101, Smith 17, Colt python (new model), I notice the Ruger has the deepest pull - i.e. my finger has to curl back the furthest and that python has the smoothest. I'm certain that you've shot far more with revolvers than myself so I was wondering your thoughts on that.
I don't have a lot of Colt experience, and if we exclude the LCR which has a light cam action trigger and compare a typical S&W VS a Ruger SP101, I have experienced the same description. When I had a couple SP101's I would almost describe the double action trigger press as longer than normal and like pulling back a bow or slingshot. Really long and rubbery before it breaks, often getting more and more heavy before it breaks. A S&W is more of a brick wall all first, then it becomes a tad lighter once it starts moving and remains smooth until the shot breaks. Taurus seems a tad more like S&W for starting out heavy and remaining smooth, but it also has a tad amount of that Ruger rubbery-ness before the hammer drops.
Agreed the 9mm performed much better. Your testing is great and I've watched them all for years. Please don't discuss your negative reviews. There will alway be some. Recent videos you try to address these and it's a distraction from your wonderful videos. Just ignore it!
Some of the negative stuff inspires me to do certain tests. Without it, some of my better content wouldn't exist.
Thx. Dang 38 is hit or miss. Looks painful if nutn else
Is that 38 meant to be low recoil ammo? It might have done better if it was +P if the bullet construction was right. The 9mm seemed like reasonable stuff to carry.
I would have to check the current offerings, but indeed back in the day when Silvertip Was W-W 's premium offering , it was indeed offered in Std and Plus P .
Silvertip is a product of its Time . Back in the early '80s the problem was nothing JHP expanding from a 2 inch .38 . W-W set out to develope a load that absolutely; positively Expand . And they did . And it did reasonably well in the real world , particularly compared to other standard velocity offerings back in the day .
At least as long as the Felons weren't wearing Levi Jackets , Carharts , or Heavy Leather .
Montana , Northern Michigan , or Maine , that's a problem 6 months of the year ..But summer there , or down south or southwestern desterts where 57 degrees is a cold snap ......
@@BlakeHouse-j3u The Hornady Critical Defense in 38Spl+P seems to be reasonably consistent. It's also a 110gr but has enough velocity to penetrate properly and is usually not put off by a bit of cloth. Remington has a 110gr +P loading as well that seems to be a shade more powerful than the Hornady, but it is an old school bullet.
What is the distance from the front / nose of the bullet in your guns ? I figure a Dial caliper can measure this.
357 magnum in a 2 inch snub nose or 38 special plus P. What are your thoughts fella
Interesting. Underwhelming 38. Decent 9.
Thing about testing X defensive rds they’re going to perform the same ! Why because manufacturers nerf or buff em to preform a certain way so these videos are a little silly. Show me a max hand load so I can see the truth behind the ballistics, not the ammo manufacturers.
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Miami-Dade performance… 🙄
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