Is an ADV Bike REALLY SO BAD? (ADV vs Dual Sport FULL COMPARISON)
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I can show you some rad single track in Southern California if you’re interested. I ride the KTM 500 exc and 300 XC-W. You guys are welcome to ride them.
W800 when though?
@@alecthomas7216 lmo
@@matthewkinder8043 I'm serious man, I'm going to keep this up because I'm yet another person overthinking my first bike and I'm torn between the T100 and the W800 so I really want to know what the Yammie Noob team thinks of the W800 after they were pleasantly surprised by the Royal Enfield lol
What about the KTM 390 I think that would be perfect for both worlds I mean it's pretty light but I don't know how it would be on the freeway I would love to see the versesx 300 and the KTM 390 adventure do a comparison it'll be interesting to see
Watching yammie noob ride dirt makes me feel like an enduro world champion
😂👍
😂 Dude needs to go back to a smaller dual sport if his first instinct is to dap his foot and not twist his wrist. Dr. Krusty recommends hitting the motocross track to work on his bike skills.
@@joshisajedi2461 Yammie Noob just lacks any and all bike skills because he's never gotten off the pavement.
Haha. No kidding.
Glad I’m not alone. I’m an older guy who started on the dirt as a kid, and I kept thinking, “You have a Husqy, and you had trouble THERE?”
Have you guys ever thought about getting industrial scales or something to weigh bikes on? It might be cool to check the factory listed weight and see how accurate they are.
Yeah, factory weights are usually “dry” weights, that don’t include any fluids in the engine, or accessories like top cases
Then it would be obvious spite is heavier than he says and yammie is the size of a high school kid.
problem is you need a pair and it's a sod to calibrate. wet weight full with fuel, battery and brake fluid is totally different to factory weight.
Yes
@@jediknight129 no you don’t. They have floor scales big enough. They have scales big enough to put several bikes on, i use them at work everyday
So, I’m an ADV rider, I do a lot of rallies and have succeeded in winning a couple of them. Handling these big bikes off-road is absolutely a matter of skill. My last win was on my 990 adventure, and you can absolutely do the technical stuff on those bikes, but you have to be an extremely competent rider. I had the good fortune of become friends with a prior GS Trophy rider who gave me a lot of pointers for getting better off-road. If you want to do technical off-road on an ADV bike, take a workshop. ADVpulse has a good network of classes, they’re definitely worth it. Have fun and ride safe.
Cridge watching streetriders try adv bikes offroad.. lol Yeah doesn't work so well. Now take a motocross/offroad racer at a REAL intermediate level and they (I) would be bored with this trail on my 890/t7/klr.
@@orange3203 Oh absolutely. But there are some incredibly skilled riders I've ridden with who haul right with me on Pan Ams and R1200/1250 GSA's. Will we get our asses thrashed offroad by a teenager on an XR250? Absolutely.
But that's not the point of an ADV bike. People always compare Dual sports and MX bikes to big ADVs but its a similar, yet completely different riding discipline.
Surprisingly this side by side comparison with such different bikes is really interesting. It makes you think about what you would really rather be riding. A 500lb bike just doesn't look very fun offroad for me with my limited skills.
Honestly, half the fun of riding big ADV bikes is riding them like fools where they aren't meant to go with friends on other big ADV bikes. Then laughing like idiots when someone eats it in some stupid way. Weirdly, it's a great time and creates comeraderie.
A big ADV isn't really for dirt riding. It's for taking a long journey and if the road gets bad you can make it.
This is why I love the KLR. It is a great medium between the big ADVs and small dual sports.
and super beginner friendly! My dad owns both t7 and klr. He does better in the hard stuff with the klr.
coming from a 890/KLR owner, you're absolutely correct! And they put down power so well!
Try a CRF1000l if you love your KLR. I had the 650 and put 50k on it and have the CRF1000l and off rood in the woods the 1000 makes me look
like a better rider. The only problem is a bit too much power and the TC is junk....
Just get a 701,it's a 501 with longer legs
Except it is ridiculously heavy for an underpowered beast
Sometimes I forget how nice it is just listening to yam talk about a bike and hit you with the good and the bad.
With those glasses and mic, Spite looks like he's about to drop some heat on the mic at a WrestleMania
Finally, spite gets his wish of proving his love for the HD PA
The Unicorn bikes to travel and do very good on off road, is : Honda XRE300, Honda CRF300 rally, Royal Enfield Hymalayan 452, CF Moto MT450, or Suzuki DR650 (but no abs, no windshield, etc).
ONLY, another bike, are too heavy or very underpower to travel on road.
I have now a 790 ktm and it is quite good on both, the only issue is the weight which is a problem when you fall and you are alone, It is more a super dual sport than a normal adventure bike but thanks to the power you can drive anywhere.
The head-to-head match up I want to se is the KLR650 against the Versys 300x. They're about the same price, and I want to see how the Versys 300 handles off road stuff.
fortnine made a video on the versys. he said it's not worth it
Versys 300 is good on road, but to bad suspension for off road, the same on their tires.
Fort nine is not always trustable. I have owned a Versys myself and it is a very good bike. Now, it is ok on highway as long as you follow speed limits, very confidence inspiring in twisties and quite good for light offroad. Now, this is not an offroad bike and to say it is light is simply false unless you compare it to a monster like the Panam. Any dual sport will be at least 100 pounds lighter. The right way to use the Versys is to go for a week end to a lake using a combination of roads and trails but no single track. KLR 650 is more oriented offroad and can do better for single tracks slowly. It will have more capabilities offroad but less fun on road. Also, the Versys has a twin which makes it far less viby. To sum it up, i was delighted with my Versys but i purchased afterwards a dual to go offroad and left the Versys for the sightseeing rides where it was shining.
I’ve learned a 650 dual sport would be the middle ground more all around
Yup. Great for 50/50
I like to think of ADV bikes more as "off pavement" than "off road". My wee-strom handles dirt roads wonderfully, and that's the most I normally ask of it. It's also my daily commuter so the highway manners are important. It can also handle (very) mild trails. The important thing is, if I'm on the 'Strom, I'm trying to get somewhere. Whether that's to work or to a campsite, the destination is the goal. I'm lucky enough to have multiple bikes, so I have a dual sport for when the ride is the point, and that's what I'm gonna take if I want to have fun riding a trail, rather than trying to get somewhere. As long as getting to said trail doesn't involve any interstate because I'll 100% agree with Yammie, riding a big thumper on the freeway is a punishment.
I've got knobbies on my strom and I regularly take it on mud and sand trails, it handles surprisingly well though not as good as my gf's ktm, but for half the cost and much more comfy on 6 hour highway trips
Went with my dad to Big Bend with his Vstrom 1000, did fairly well with some knobbies. He said the only issue was clearance, and that he didn’t want to drop it lol. I was on my enduro and that obviously did a bit better.
An 890 is extremely OFFF ROAD capable. Had mine on mx track and black diamond trails. It's rider more than bike, but yeah, I can't take my klr where I can take my 890!
@@oosteveo315 yeah klr honestly really sucks, it's way too heavy for such little power and it's not comfy at all
disagree. KLR is great for newer offroad riders that can't modulate a clutch. It's a great bike, but it's a JEEP. I can ride my klr all day! Super compfy. I ride my klr more than my 890!
I'm so disappointed that yammie never mentions the legendary Honda XR650l ! It's literally the oldest and most recognizable dual sport!
He hates Honda, like seriously I think a Honda salesman dated his mom or something.
Because carburetors…it’s extremely outdated, albeit capable, but outdated, just like the DRZ
I got a white 98 it’s awesome gets a lot of attention
Thanks for the honest review! You arent trying to disguise your offroad skills which makes the review so much better and realistic! Thank You!
Yammie, I live about a half hour from there, I recognized the area in the first few seconds. Cool to see you right here. There are some fun roads around here.
A DR790 with upgraded suspension can darn near do it all. It can haul luggage/passenger on slab. It can clear doubles and tabletops. It can rip singletrack.
A Tenere 700 can likely be stripped to around 400lb curb too, which isn't much more than a stockish DR with a 5gal tank.
Favorite on/off road bike I ever owned was a 1991 Suzuki dr650. Normally I like Honda, but that bike was an absolute beast. Road it from LA to Conway Arkansas once and numerous times back and forth between Texas and Arkansas. It was heavy enough to be very comfortable on the highway. Standing on the pegs you could see over the roofs of most cars, which was really sweet. Didn’t feel cramped at all. Taller bars is a must. Even with a passenger it had no problem blasting off. Off-road It was a heavy, torquey, and balanced bike. You could stay in 2nd and bomb along most trails. Super stable on one wheel too. That thumper was a Danm good bike.
I'm looking at getting a new bike in the next month and the DR650 is at the tippy top of the list. It seems like one of the few bigger truly 50/50 dual sports available and will be using it as my primary bike.
@@davidklementis5913 it’s a damn good “all around bike”. super reliable and will do anything you want it to do. Owning one is kinda like owning a horse. Long distance travel? No problem. Go fast on mountain roads? No problem. Single track dirt trails through the woods? No problem. It does motorcycle things when you want it to. Get some 50/50 tires and you can jump straight from the highway to the woods without any hesitation. Rugged, dependable, fun. What more can you ask for from one bike?
@@poncholefty471 That's exactly what I am looking for. Thanks!
Picked up 97 Dr350se about a year ago Most fun I’ve had in years
The idea of a T7 or some of those mid size ADV's looks good on paper but the reality is my Dual Sport is the best weapon for me. Great vid guys, thank you.
The advs are just far too heavy for real off road. I would say my dr650 at about 380lbs wet with larger tank and accessories was my limit for what I'd want to be picking up multiple times. It's also a lot of work to move her around in the rough stuff. I got an old dr350 and it's honestly amazing. Dual sports are where it's at if you are doing any off roading.
ADV with 500cc or more, are too heavy to do real off road.
T7 is too heavy, people that claim how "great" they are, are NOT taking them in real off-road terrain, it's just a fact, Lol.
If my TW200 could go faster than a 60 second quarter mile I would be dangerous
No compromises!! Get two bikes!! Tow the FE with the Harley to the trail!!
The more I see of the Pan America the more I like it. Now if they could come up with a more middle weight option say around 800 cc and knock a hundred lbs off maby limit the electronics to cruise control and I'm gonna be a harley man.
One is coming! A 975 CC variant. I'm also interested
The Pan America I hope is the transition from the tradition that holds back Harley Davidson. Let’s be honest, tradition is just peer pressure from dead people.
Harley? A decent Middleweight? Never gonna happen
Why not just get a T7 at that point?
@@kevinlugonzbi6005 nightster 975
Man.... one of the few things I miss about CA is the vast amounts of twisties. There are quite a few legendary routes to be cruised.
Me * laughs in dr650 *
It really is the best of both worlds ;)
So excited to see my home roads on here!
I spent the last 5 years on a KLX 250S and just bought a Suzuki B King. It’s been very odd trying to get used to the weight and non-flickability but having ALL the power has been great
Really loving my KLR. Enough trail capacity to get me more places, enough highway capacity to take me far. I can do six straight hours on it no problem. Lot of vibration comparatively but my hands are accustomed at this point.
I make sure I can lift it from a fall before setting out, I can lift my KLR even if it's fallen over down a grade.
hey yammie! i found your channel about two months ago when i first had the idea of buying a bike and i have watched a ton of your vids everyday since then and thanks to you i just got my first bike a few days ago! keep up the work i love this channel
what is it?
What did you get? :) Exciting!
Dude you can't leave us hanging like that. What did you get?
@@Garfails not a bike that yammie would love lol but i was looking for somewhat of a more classical looking bike so i got a royal enfield Himalayan!
@@dannyfilms3790 a bike's a bike! Even yam said in his royal enfield vid if he got that one for his first bike he'd be so happy! Almost everything on 2 wheels is fun!
I literally just got done riding my light adv build CRF450RL 700 miles today from Moab, UT back home to Corona, CA. Dual sports can do it all.
Another consideration for dual-sport is many of them lack a cush drive. So if you are one of those people who want to put a lot of time on road with a dual-sport, keep it in mind when choosing your bike/upgrades.
Great video, you answered the very question I have been asking.
I'd really love to see an Africa Twin review. Great video!
Yess!!!! Ive been trying to decide between these two for my next bike
That was the best video ever produced by this channel!!
Tenere is the 50/50 combo...not perfect for highway or off road,
but the best balance for both.
Is 75% on Road, 25% off road, is too heavy, marketing say's that, but the real life is very different.
My ktm 690 is way more highway capable than the 501. It is about 33kg heavier though but it is still definately off-roadable. Even did some hard enduro last summer. Think it is the perfect balance between off-road and street use. The next step would be something like an EXC300 if you want better enduro capability.
Yes but all ADV are not good in general on off road, KTM 690 is too heavy. The only bikes that are very good off road: suspensions and lightweight are Honda XRE300, Honda CRF300 rally, Royal Enfield Hymalayan 452, CF Moto MT450. Those are ok on highway.
@@MotoEscapadas depends on what you are riding. Some relaxed trail riding you can do even on 1290 super adventure. But I wouldn't take my 690 Erzobergrodeo as that is pure 300cc 2 stroke territory. All I'm saying is that if you want a waaaay better highway bike without suffering too much weight over the general weight of most EXC bikes, then the 690 is perfect.
If you don't believe me or think that the 690 is too heavy, checkout the Pol Tarres Tenere 700 videos. And mind you, that bike weighs around 50kg more than the 690 even.
@@MotoEscapadas also CRF 300 Rally is 3kg heavier than 690 Enduro R...
Yes your right, I confused it with another KTM , the ADV @@olma97
We learned that you get the mid size ADV. Awesome on the road and can do most offroad things. The f700gs has been nice. Might hit that trail this weekend just to see if I can even stack up
My 901 has turned into an awesome choice. Low slung fuel tanks preserve the overall flick ability. Was it expensive? Yeah. But that's now behind me and all I do is grin now. Haven't had to kickstand turn it yet. Sooner or later though.
I am a sixty something year old man and ride a gen1 KLR. When I ride on tricky shit like the drop off section of the ripped up jeep trail you two were riding I try and have 1/2 tank or less of gas. That 20 pound loss of weight up so high on my bike really helps me on those pucker up spots. Also replaced the heavy muffler with a light weight can again lowering the CG. Love my old KLR. With a half tank I am guessing it weighs about 380 pounds.
Also, you did not come right out and say it but I will.Your Husky will go on any highway the Harley does, slower and with some pain but off road the Husky goes where the Harley will surly not follow.
That Husqvarna dual sport is stunning 😍
Yammie: "I know all you guys hate when we do this but we doin it anyway. Get rekt."
All us guys: "Gah so awful why does he keep doing that..."
Best Yammiee Noob Video ever!! 🤣🤣
I’m part a four man crew of WR250Rs. We do three day motorcycle camping trips. We go anywhere, up and down mountain roads, into town, beaches. Everyone, even the most Harley of Harley riders nod with respect cause they know we just want fun. I don’t see any ADVs try what we do haha but man I’d like to not be tossed around by the wind on the road and have more powah
That sounds amazing - cherish it
If you get "taken by wind" on the road. Try holding loser on the handlebars, or even one handed, with two fingers on the throttle. It can be you that get taken by the wind, and give input on the bike to turn. You can also try not holding the handlebar at all, when you get taken by the wind. See if it goes away.
@@Gismo3333 thanks, I’ll try that out!
I've got an 06 husky TE610. Man I love it so much.
the thing i like most about dual sports though is that if you get a different set of tires and a higher gearing setup it can become a great mile eater. My 2015 DR200S changes its abilities by the change of a tire. when i feel like takin a break from dirt or want to ride with my buddy on his Grom i put 80% street 20% dirt tires on it, when i feel like just going adventure riding it gets the 50% 50% tires (what i run most times) then when i dont want it on the street at all it gets full knobbles, witch it currently has cause i don't feel like insuring two bikes right now so i got my CB1000 as my daily ride, and got the DR as my play toy right now. If you have a ADV bike you are just stuck in that forever compromise of 50% tires or 80 20 tires, it can never become the full on toy or non burden you want it to become.
The Norden 901 is my happy "in between". Sure it’s not the lightest but it’s good enough.
I'm very happy with my off road modded Kawasaki Versys 650 with 19inch front wire wheel..Its not as light as the single cylinder trailies and no prob for me as im a fit weight lifter..but it will go anywhere the single goes and its so much better smoother and relaxed on the road at highway speeds and beyond.
@@magna116 You haven't seen my bikes $$$ setup and you dont even know my mx riding ability..So YOU BLOODY GET REAL buddy😁😁😁
husqvarna 701 supermoto is definitely a contender for my next bike
RE Himalayan or Van Van can donkey over anything, but can't do big US freeways
My first street legal motorcycle is a 2022 CRF450RL. So far it’s been a blast. Not sure if I’d like an ADV but who knows. Got a lot more to learn and stuff to explore.
Very good on off road, very very good! but on road: has no windshield, and unconfortable seat, very poor gas tank capacity.
@@MotoEscapadas I’ve upgraded the ECU and exhaust along with some other mods. I don’t mind not having a windshield but I’ve gotten a seat concepts seat so it’s been much more comfortable to ride. It’s a beast now
Well done to spite on the pan am I was impressed
Alright yam, let's hear your thoughts on building the perfect 50/50 dirt/highway bike. I would love to build one. I want specs, weight, power, etc. a video on your thoughts would be great
Kinda fanboying out over here, can't believe you're here in San Diego 😅
Interesting that you mentioned the Versys-X 300 at the end. I had one through 2020 and did 3 trips on it that year including Engineer Pass, Cinnamon Pass, and Ophir Pass in CO and the entire Idaho BDR from Albuquerque, that was a 4000 mile ride in 2 1/2 weeks. It's a great little bike but just doesn't have enough suspension, just under 5 inches front and rear. I had to dodge and weave through a lot of rocks. I had an aftermarket Hyperpro shock and fork spring suspension kit on it too. The worst overall was actually potholes on dirt roads because they were hard to see soon enough and I slammed many pretty hard. Also I rode with larger bikes for a couple of days, and when they could just rev up and down in the same gear for turns and hills I was shifting up and down madly to keep up and that became very annoying and tiring.
Great video, I had fun watching it ( loves the scenery ) and what an interesting conclusion so adventure bikes only offer comfort ( for long distances ) while dual sports only offer light weight ( for short distances ) deduction = get a middle to light weight naked bike!!! Cheers🧨🧨🎆🎇🎆🎇
man that harley is the Pontiac Aztek of motorcycles
I gave the 500/501 a hard look, but went with the 690 Enduro R. More power, better road manners and less maintenance sold me. The extra weight of the 690 sucks, but my days of riding hard single track are about over, my (L5/S1) is crushed on both sides, making the 690 a no brainer.
I am considering getting rid of my KTM 450EXC and getting 2 TW 200's. I am basically a fire roads commando today. My wife and I have Harleys for the street, lite trail bikes would be fun to explore fire roads on.
@@michaelconran5252 I actually owned a TW myself, great little goats for the trail; however, it’s so underpowered for the street I ended up trading it in for the WR250R. To be honest, the TW was 5 times the machine off-road vs. the 250R… granted it was much slower getting there, but far more confident than its bigger brother. For the street I ride a 2022 SDR EVO nowadays, dual sports just aren’t great for longer commutes.
@@resistthesystem6145 we have our Harleys for the street. Be a camp ground/fireroad bike
That was a good one... enjoyed it. 😁
Nice trail with a nice view
I think MY G650GS Sertao is the lightest and smallest ADV bike I could get. Its great minus being only a 5 speed and having squishy stock springs. oh well, love it as my second bike after my VanVan 200!!
The crappy seat on the Husky makes it not a road bike. I went with the T7 and a seat concepts upgrade. The best of both worlds.
Had a really good green lane session last year here in the UK with some work mates, big mix of bikes my wr400 in sumo trim on 50/50 tires, a tiger 800 xr, husqvarna te449, couple crf300l's, a 700 teneree I think and a bmw fs800 with 50/50 tires. And what I learnt was the more big adventure bikes nailed the enduro bikes on the road but off road us on the enduros were laughing at the bigger bikes. The guy on the tiger was the same size as yammie and was having a really tough time on some of the steeper trails (and ruined his clutch) myself and my mate on the wr400 and te449 even had a few issues myself mainly due to 17in wheels and a fat front tire. Also the 400 and 449 were bit too explosive powerwise for green lanes. Over all the best bike seemed to be the 700. No issues anywhere but he was a beast of a rider. Take away from it all, alot of it comes down to rider skill, but make sure you can definitely handle the weight of whatever bike you go for that's the kicker when the going gets really tough.
That's why I had two bikes a Triumph Tiger 955i and a Husqvarna tc610.
I love watching y’all ride on the dirt… I would love to ride with y’all and show ya some dirt technique… Yam, I luv ya, but stand up 😆
I am new to riding 6'3, 300. I bought a TW200 and the little thing is badass. Climbs anything. max speed 65 so over 55mph I do not like. Always looking to upgrade but wonder why this little thing is so good slow off road its perfect.
Owned the same bike, 155 lbs. and 6’. After a season of riding it, I was looking for something else. Great little bikes, but gutless on the street.
@@resistthesystem6145 agreed
I blew my knee out trying to ride an ADV going up a rutted road. 0/5, do not recommend.
I can’t help but to dream of using the Pan Am as a base for a non cruiser tour bike. Lower suspension, cast 17/17, more integrated luggage.
Ktm 500 exc is also a fun bike just a little slow on the interstate in my area
Also a taint destroyer
I definitely recommend a steering stabilizer if want a little more control in the front end
Quote from Spite “do you want me to lead out or do you want to follow”
Of course you guys compare the most dirt oriented dual sport to the most road oriented ADV bike! 😂
The best entertainment value but nobody is asking themselves “should I get a PanAm or a Husky?” Great video all the same.
Thumbs up! The KTM 890 Adventure R would be the best ADV to compare IMO. You must get one to play with. I had an EXC 530 that ate the terrain but the highway miles were a bit sketchy and that seat…OMG
I use my Ktm 990 on trails just like this and its tanks it like a donkey
@@Electronic2967 Chris Birch takes those big ADV bikes everywhere-some awesome vids out there
Thanks guys, this was entertaining. I have a new gen (2023) Tiger 1200 and a KTM 500 so I can completely relate to both here. Though, I have to say the Tiger (and my Triumph Scrambler 1200 XE) would eat that Pan America alive offroad. Now you both need to come to the east coast and ride the sloppy mud and enjoy the added fun of thick mosquitos while you are suffering to pick up the ADV bike for the umpteenth time. And Yammy - get a Seat Concepts comfort seat for that Husky. It will CHANGE YOUR LIFE. And your taint will thank you for it.
To me it seems it comes down to time. Time on an off road section vs time on road. If your nearest off road course is 2 hrs away... I think you know which to go for, if its 20 mins away, I think you know once again.
I love your video guys. Wish I could be out riding 28rh you guys out there on my ktm 500exc- f . Do you guys ever do videos as rides with a group of friends - people?
Both are great for different uses. Id never take my 1090 on sand single track but I’d never take my 300xcw on highway
Corral Canyon… rode many trials events there. Now that o think about it you should have some trials content on your channel
Those exoskeleton knee braces Yam was wearing looked the kit for gear out on the trails..
My cheapest bike ever is a 2006 GasGas 250 -stroke. I modded it with carbon reed, higher gearing, small soft-bags and TKC tires. Still painful on a highway, but fair on small roads. Gravel is a piece of cake and a dry single track is only so easy and so much fun! Whitney would have humiliated both of you on the tricky parts. In Sweden we don't have these prepared single-tracks but we we have TET and SET that is maps over old railroad tracks, forestry road and places to sleep, VERY fun! (Bike, mods and equipment cost me about 1600 $!)
109 kgs ready to go!
Got crf250l, just picked up cb500x (F what yammie says about it) 🤣. Next is a big cruiser. I think the best of all worlds is having 3 bikes. Not saying mine are best but they are good for my skills
@31:30 uhhh yeah there is... it's the KTM 890... It's freaking amazing.
Man you guys need to hit those hills with more momentum/commitment. When yam dropped the huskie his only mistake was he came to a stop and had no footing. More speed he would have rolled straight past the tricky spot
I think you did well Spike, despite your handicap.
Really good thumbnail
the problem is that you see a low cc adv as a compromise, where i eat these trails on a versys 300 no problem all day with a buddy driving a jeep along with me - and its fabulous on a highway. try it
I feel so bad for you guys living in Austin. Doesn’t even come close to the riding opportunities in SoCal
Dude you had that at 26:00 just pick a line and go! braaap
haha i was like, hey, looks like theyre in my backyard. hey, they are. I ride CNF every day. Awesome.
A KTM 890 R and a T7 enter to a trail… that’s a video I’d like to see. Both are in my opinion, the best 50/50 adv money can buy (especially considering that both are ready from stock). The only update that will be necessary in both bikes is tyres. So how about that papa Yammie?
Perhaps a comparison where both bikes have the same tires would be more appropriate, many people also ride dual sport bikes with 50/50 tires and the like, then they are also much easier to ride on the road.
Now a xt250 works great off road even works great on enduro racing trails and it’s a little heavier than that husky and only has 18 hp that may sound horrible but the stock tires work great at 73 on interstates and on dirt bike tracks
Calling the HD Panamerica “venerable” is a bit much…it’s only been around like 18 months lol.
The hill where they both fall looks so easy on my crf250L yeah Mines slow but it's light and I started offroad before on
So jealous, we don't have back roads like that around me... or hills, to be honest. Best I can get is sending my RE 650 down gravel roads.
One topic you're not touching in the video is the maintenance schedule of your 501. I can understand compromise, but when you count maintenance interval in hours and not miles, that's where I draw the line.
I end-ed up buying a KTM 690 Enduro. The weight penalty over the 501 is manageable for an average rider, it's still a feather compared to bikes like the Tenere 700, and your maintenance is every 6 or 7.000 miles.
Reposting from Pirate Bear:
Have you guys ever thought about getting industrial scales or something to weigh bikes on? It might be cool to check the factory listed weight and see how accurate they are.
I think that strapping some adv tyres (instead of hardcore offroad) and it would become much more usable
Do what your saying is with its smooth carburetor and 5 speed transmission, the Suzuki DRz400 is the best of both worlds. GOT IT!
Off-roading on a wr125 with 17” road wheels is where its at 😂😂.
Ride safe idol
They call the Pan America a heavy bike at 560 lbs when it’s actually the same weight as an Evo sporty.
My iron 883 weighed more with the mustache guard, the sissy bar, bags, windscreen and such. It probably weighed 580 lbs with all the mods.