Interesting comparison. I agree with the conclusion. Montage and Fantom are Workstations, they can't fight with the enormous Keyscape Piano sound bank ( 200Gb I think). And Nord sound is also more natural. By the way, I love the pieces and the pianist. What is his name ? Dan Who ? What are the pieces from ? Especially the first one (played on the Roland and the Casio) , with Bb - Bb/D - Fsus/C - Eb/G ... So nice. At 9:35 I think I recognize Nimrod by Edward Elgar. Again who is the player and were can I ear more of him ? Sorry Jack, I like You too of course
you guys seriously have to do a Christmas video this year, low light, soft focus, couple of guests just chatting in-front of a log fire with Jack whilst Dan noodles way on the piano freaking awesome!
Binghamz is a madman, kills it every time. I got the Nord Grand about a month ago and I gotta say videos like this went a long way in helping me decide. Thanks from Atlanta!
I did a blind listen and took some quick notes. There was a noticeable volume difference on the Nord (seemed quieter), and the Roland had a strange panning issue... seemed off to the R channel more than it should have been? Anyone else notice this, or is it just me? I don't have the best ears, just wanted to share. From my blind listen, I liked Keyscape the most, and Nord was close second but the quietness was hard for me to look past for some reason. Unfair, but I guess that's how the loudness war started, eh? haha Great video thanks for sharing this with us!
I got the Nord Grand and was only thinking about the Keyscape as an alternative. I am extremely picky and there is still a long way to go before a digital piano reach the moon in order to sound acoustic, but the nord has a great sound and fits my workflow even though i have to tweak it at times. Their grand samples are still lacking, but their Upright samples really has something real in them.
Many of Nord's pianos are licensed from Pianotekk, so they're basically cut down Kontakt libraries. My gripe is that they have too much ambiance & mid frequency. I've found a bit of a work around for most of the pianos. if you're interested, I'll share.
OK, so this is the comparison I'd like to see: Kawai MP11SE Nord Grand Yamaha P515 Korg Grandstage Dexibel Vivo S9 pro Garritan CFX VSL Vienna Imperial Keyscape Pianoteq various. Kurzweil Forte Ravenscroft 275 Acoustic Samples Kawai EX pro Synthology Ivory II Grand pianos Roland v piano Roland Rd2000. Physis H1 Crumar 7 Those would basically cover all of the best stage pianos and vst gear available and would make a truly unique video one off.
Yes, action on the Kawai MP11SE is a step up from the one in the Nord. Although a bit heavier. A friend of mine just got a new upright Kawai digital keyboard/piano with even better action and sound than the MP11SE, but you don't want to move it around unnecessary. Can't remember the model though.
@@VoxTone2009 - for your friend's Kawai upright , I can only assume it might be the CA78 (Grand Feel 2 keybed) or the CA79 (Grand Feel 3 keybed). There are higher models but the differences are negligible for the price that you have to contend with.
@@mr.c1989 He said it was the best digital piano Kawai offered. He worked temporary on the side of his regular work at a large music store chain (as a music teacher) that sells very high end concert acoustic pianos (some well over $100K). They carry all the top of the line Kawai pianos (digital and acoustic) along with Steinway and a number of other brands.
Roland sounds terrible directly after the Nord. I play Pianoteq driven by a Casio PX-150. According to this video, it's a reasonably good choice. Glad you brought up the issue of weight. The contest is about who can make the best action that weighs the least and is easy to transport.
I use the Casio PX-160 with Modern U, but I have Pianoteq (6) too, but I haven't used/installed it for sometime. Which piano model are you using from the Pianoteq? (Are you Updated it to Pianoteq 8?) Do you have a favorite piano model or preset that match really well with the Casio PX-150? Thank you for your help!
Like he said, "It's nicer than I first gave it credit for" and I find that defines Roland pianos. There is a video of the piano forever playing a Roland 88 which he claims not to like. At the end he says, "I played that longer than I intended because it is so good". Not verbatim, but the gist.
But , realistically, you could use any of them on a gig and no-one, be it fellow band member, artiste that you are backing, sound man or audience member, will say "Blimey, that piano sounds like shite"
If this is your response to a 3-6 thousand dollar keyboard comparison, you have SERIOUSLY missed the point. You arent going to get a product that sounds like shite for that amount of coin, so splitting hairs is all there is to do.
from 7:14 to 7:22 Oh my .. I don't know how to decribe how I felt. It was a feeling I have never had, so moving. I just learned those chords after that. Bb > Bb/D > Bbadd9 > Gm > F > C/E > EbM7 > Ebm69 > Bbadd9/D Wohooo! Jack. I love your playing too. I watch your playing videos in youtube. If you make another video can you play these chords? Thank you!
Not sure it's reasonable to gauge the action of the Montage when it's visibly bouncing around on the top tier of a stand - the best key bed in the world is going to feel bad when it's supported so unstably.
Love that you can get the Casio, a laptop and some software for less than some of those keyboards. Still, it's nice to not have to boot up a computer and mess around with cables sometimes - worth the extra money, if you've got it.
As an owner of the Nord, the soft touch membrane buttons are terrible for accidental activation. Travel for switching is millimetres. Why a piano needs a “panel lock” should’ve been a warning that the design is flawed, and needed a rethink. It’s impossible for gigging unless you’re only using one sound, or there’s plenty of time between tunes to release the lock and change tone. Be mindful too, that Nord only have one distributor in UK, which also “supply” warranty repairs, which means a time consuming and costly repair, if they accept to do it. My advice is buy a Kawai MP7 (same action as the Nord) and midi external piano...and is over a Nordgrand cheaper
Really, the Nord Grand has the same bed as the MP7? I would think at that price, they'd at least spring for the MP11 action. Where can one find this information?
Wourghk Kawai MP11 has wooden keys and are longer length too. Great machine, but more like a Rhodes than a piano with a similar weight too. Regarding the MP7, it was £1300 the last time I looked. Customer service is great.
@mgljimcmgl I've played a few years on Kawai mp7, which is more or less the same action as on mp7se, this extremely plastic-sounding loud keyboard is soOo annoying! my neighbors got crazier because of it. The Yamaha and Kawai Action is so loud, that's one of the reasons I buy casio or roland. If the action is louder than the headphone signal, it's not funny.
@mgljimcmgl i saw a comparison gf vs roland vs casio vs kawai, yamaha and kawai play in this comparison not in the same League as Roland or Casio, maybe higher price yamaha keyboards sounds better but i have only played the p45 and the p125 and no wood action like on p515. edit: i isaw action noise comparison videos again, yamaha p125 is much better as kawai, roland is the best, casio 2, yamaha 3, kawai 4, for me is kawai mp7 to loud for home learn but ok is it a Stage Piano.
I remember back when I was an electronics technician and then an engineer that regular folks assumed I could tell them the best "Hi Fi" and then "Stereo" equipment to get. Especially speakers. People would listen to speakers in the listening room of one store. And then drive across town and listen to some in another store. It is VERY hard to compare unless they are side by side, such as these pianos. That also suggests that if the piano test had them located in different places with drive time to get there, it might be harder to judge. The other thing I suggested was they buy the cheapest speakers they liked the sound of. Some people like big boomy bass lousy frequency response speakers. Tastes vary with pianos, too. Of course, a professional pianist (and my mother was a professional concert pianist) is going to have a better ear for such things. She didn't live long enoughto see the state of the art that exists today, but was adamant they "would never equal a real piano". Of course, you should never say never, or always. And here we sit with most of us with crummy little speakers that came with out Dell setup or whatever which probably doesn't translate the real sound all that well.
I can attest to your mother that a real accoustic will never be beaten against electronic keyboard. Some elements of music will never fade despite the test of time -- I'm a professional pianist.
@@derbar7051 Maybe. But I've been involved in "high tech" for years and one thing I have always avoided saying is "never." We might not only get to the point where in a "blind taste test" so to speak, even experts might not be able to tell the difference. If I create a waveform identical to that of a certain piano and have a sophisticated enough speaker system to "handle DC to Daylight", I suspect it is only a matter of time. And there can also be choices to select piano brands, model, period of manufacturer. voicing desired, and so forth. I know that two consecutive pianos off the line won't even sound exactly the same, but whatever the variables are, they can probably be identified and simulated.
@@trainliker100 I don't disagree with you based on the science behind your logic but I do think that science cannot replicate human nature. The sense of touch and the sound world that a electric keyboard pales in comparison compared to accoustic (good that is) pianos. It doesn't help that I have perfect pitch and a true love for the art form so I am biased. Maybe I am wrong and that you're right in that there will be no distinction between both mediums, but I am sceptical.
I think Jack tried to mention subtlety, but the Montage and Roland are different beasts from the Nord Grand. They both have piano centric models for comparable prices with action designed to feel like a grand piano. I mean I'm not faulting the comparison becuase now piano centric players will look at maybe a CP over a montage. More rounded players might prefer the compromise action of the Montage though
Fun review, which gave me a feel for which of these to test (shame there was no Kawaii or Korg, though). However, the test playing was over a very restricted range of the keyboard (no check for ring on of the high notes or resonance from the bass strings?) and didn’t test response to variations in velocity. How about another comparison, playing a more varied test piece?
Man! I just love when D-bingerz joins the videos! When you guys get together it's really fun to watch! Can't wait to see him freestyle w/o blindfold.. Greetings from Panama
Hey guys I love your vids, and the playing of the both of yus. I'd only mention that these machines have different purposes, Fantom's a workstation, Montage is a Synth beast, the Nord Stage is the ultimate nord stage piano, and the casio is not even a controller-only. Would make more sense to put the best controller for piano action with the Keyscape, the Yamaha CP88, and the best Roland stage piano. (Sorry Korg has no place here lol)
The results are just what I expected, Casio CDP S100 with Keyscape is a big game changer, especially the feel, for the price + keyscape I still think that it's the best bang for your buck. Others have also commented that you can just use the Casio as a controller since it has a somewhat nicer feeling. Casio CDP-S100 with Keyscape is the winner for me overall. Thanks you two.
You can hear the love that Spectrasonic puts in their software. I love Omnisphere. It is the best VST on this planet. I do not own Keyscape because i am not a Piano player. But I own the MODX which is a lot cheaper than the Montage but soundwise its the same. And it has some very nice Pianos. But then again I am not in the position to judge on Pianos.
I own the new roland fantom and personally this keyboard is not the best to use as a lead piano rather I think it's better for aux (use it as a top keyboard for fillings) nord is what I'm looking for now.
Why not go for the Casio keybed in this video and simply midi it into the Roland when you want a piano feel thats one hell of a keyboard you have there my friend.
from my experience the Keyscape sounds are designed to be played on a non weighted keyboard. they work well that way, not as much from a weighted keyboard. I love the piano sound, when i'm on the road using an M audio keyboard. not so much at home with a weighted keyboard.
I disagree with this statement - but then again it’s all personal preference. Why would you say it is designed to be played on a non weighted keyboard? Makes absolutely no sense to me. I feel it is more designed to be played on a weighted keyboard - because the sounds have a realistic feel and pair well with a realistic touch.
Which fully weighted keyboard would you recommend? (any brand, any model) Thank you for your help! (PS. Nowadays I am thinking of Roland FP-10 and StudioLogic SL88 Studio, because I've heard and read really good things about their action, and they are in the same price category, but I can't find a shop that has both to try them.)
Thanks! I was thinking about the Casio CDP-S350 or 360, because it seems one of the best bang for the buck Casio, but then I found the Casio PX-S1100. The PX-s3100 is too expensove for me, and I think I wouldn't use the majority pf its sounds and I don't need arranger function, so I thought maybe the PX-S1100 would be a better choice (for me at leqst), because all I really want is a nice fully weighted action with a nice piano sound. I think tje CDP piano sound is pretty nice too especially for its price, but I like the sound of the PX-s1100 waaay better. I really like somewhat darker piano sounds (I mean for example Yamaha or Roland sounds tend to be a little too bright to my taste, and I think the Caaio PX-S1100 has a nice darker (and more realistic) sound IMHO, which I really like. I guess I better just save up for the PX-S1100. (PS. Sorry, I just noticed this when I finished typing. This comment got a little longer then it should/could've been :))
I have a Kawai VPC1 (which has a similar action to the Nord Grand Stage, I think) and that, along some nice VSTs, as Pianoteq, Ivory II, UVI, NI and such is, for me, the real deal!. Nothing comes close on versatility. Of course, is not so good for moving it, but in my case, as an studio setup, is just great
@@Kougeru - No they do not, nor Kurzweil. I'm guessing there is only so much you can fit into a physical store. If they were box shifters selling on line, then that would be another matter. This is not how Andertons operate however.
@@andertonsfan3144 Of course it is! You think they sell more stuff with people collecting from the shop than they do people ordering it (online or by phone) for delivery? They are simply shifting boxes.
At 12:15 host asks player about software latency. I don't do Apple. I use PC. I use NI Akoustik Piano software. If one is experiencing latency on PC, download and install ASIO4ALL driver. Learn how to adjust the driver buffers down to failure, then raise them up just enough to stop the glitches. I have 10ms latency.
Piano sound is so scrutinized but honestly not so important in keyboard selection. The quality of the sound is about the sample. The feel of the key bed, the construction quality, and the usability of the software and controls are more important to me. I'll buy the sample I like best.
If u gonna compare pianos then u should get keyboards that specialises in piano sounds.Its unfair to put a stage piano and piano vst up against a workstation keyboard. It would be better if you had all four as Stage/Digital pianos to have a better comparison regarding both acoustic piano sounds as well as feel.
i test so much pianos, i play round 5 years kawai mp7 and today i play Casio+pianoteq6 or ivory2 vst, (32buffer) and i love it. i really like the casio action, cdp100 is so cheap for this really good action, next i buy a white px1000+stand. i am so happy to find this channel after JP´s black and white flaw video... the casio action is really nice.
@@ernestryles no the Casio's Response Flawed Action Video is weird hate shit, the same person make a video and play Classic on it and say great action all good i can all play, absoluty no problem... A loot of Professional Players Say the Casio Action is great. I wouldn't always believe everything
Jens Jordan It's not though. You can feel it when you play. I personally dont mind it though, and like the action on those boards. It's still nowhere near as nice as Roland's, but it's very usable. I wasn't trying to bash casio... Just wanted to be sure you were aware of the action "issue" if you'd never played the boards before.
@@ernestryles I think that the Casio cdp100 action is more or less the same as the px1/3k, only the weight of the cdp100 keyboard is a little bit lighter, 10.5kg vs. 11.2kg (1kg=2.2pound), the case is more or less the same size! black keys are lighter, but the same strength on white or black give the same tone volume, casio regulates this via software, many people, me or the blind tester here in the video say the action feels good, but for me it's ok, if you think after Mr. Pavel Flawed video, classic play is impossible, it's ok for me.
I work in a musical instrument shop (sell piano's) and work in a soundstudio a.s. engeneer and synth/sample and jazz piano player. I have choice enough to choice and took a Casio. I had no experiance with that brand in my 50 years selling/playing/recording. I'm use fan of yamaha/Roland/Nord but this Casio sounding/playing so great, easely put in the mix
For pianos alone, I think that was spot on really. I do personally like the roland V-Pianos sounds ... but once tuned to the individual players touch (the stock patches arnt great). not really sure why you chose the Fantom though - as the RD2000 has the same keybed and same sound engine, and is more a pure piano (OK it has lots of other stuff too - BUT its not a VA synth, sequencer etc that the Fantom is). While the outcome would be the same - the price difference between the Fantom and RD DOES make a difference - as does the price of the Nord V the RD (quite a bit) - and indeed the soundscape version. Have to say the Grand stage is the only Nord piano Id play - its the only one with a decent keybed, and it misses out on a lot other stage pianos can do (the RD as mentioned, Yamahas dedicated pianos etc) - but as JUST a piano - its probably the top choice right now (bar POSSIBLY a Kawai MP7/11)
As they are in a parallel not competing universe, I feel I can point here to the YT channel of Merriam Music where pianist Stu Harrison reviews pianos. I'd say more as a musician than as a salesman. He did in-depth reviews of virtual instruments about half a year ago, comparing Keyscape to others. I think that the Kawai MP11SE now has the best action of the 88-key boards that look like a stage piano (but may be too heavy). Maybe Kawai should update their VPC-1 with these same keys and it facilitating the MP11SE's 3-pedal unit (with optical innards, instead of common potentiometers). I feel, though, they should also do a version of the VPC-1 with a real real grand piano action in it, like they put into one of their Novus machines. No, that will not become light enough for a single person transport to gigs either.
RD2000 is not identical with Fantom. RD would score better than Fantom but in this comparison, the winner somehow would have been the same, i.e. Nord...
I watched the video by only listening to the sound. Here’s my notes. I missed the Nord with Montage in the later part of Nord because I didn’t realize he moved his hands up for the Montage. 1. Sounds very good. Wooden flavor. I like this one. Pretty wooden. (8) “Not best sound, not best action” - fantom 88 2. A little bit too much ambience. too creamy. I don’t like this one. (5) “Not best action” “sound nice & rich”. “Plastic & cheap” “playable”. - Keyscape 3. Not too many detail. Maybe a KORG or Casio? Feel the sound is empty inside. (7)“Worst action” - MONTAGE. 4. Most likely a Nord. Wooden, delay reasonable, dynamic. Thick sound. i like this one. (9)“Pedal noise high””fill the room with piano”. Touched the gospel pad. Keep doing. Back to the initial one. Sounds quite nice. Not too bad. Ok. Ambience is proper. Played twice after back to the patch. “Can cut through”. (Right upper).”not bad”. - Nora Grand 5. Last one - moved a bit - maybe Roland? Woody. Not bad. 63715 52342 - Fantom 88 6. “I move on to this” - too much decay. Maybe a software one. “Feel a real piano”. - KeyScape
For those interested here is my guess at some of the chords used. LH - RH D Bb C - F Bb C F D A C - F G C F (put thumb across F&G notes) ... Ab Eb - G Bb C F Gb Db - Bb C F Db Ab - F Bb C F
The Nord sounds nice but it sounds more like an EP to my ears, not a bright concert grand. I like this format of comparison. Please consider doing another one of these blind tests and include the Kurzweil K2700 against other similarly priced models ($3k) from Yamaha, Nord, Roland.
Funny, the 2 keyboards with after touch feel squishy. The Montage and Fantom aren’t designed for the same purpose as the Nord or even the Casio. The Roland RD-2000 and Yamaha CP-88 or P515 would all offer a better feel and piano specific optimizations and would be a better comparison.
These comparison videos, although in fairness all of your videos, are just so watchable. Even for items I have no interest in purchasing, the entertainment value is second to none. If I get fired from my job for getting distracted, I am blaming you Mr Jack.
If you can afford it, the Nord Grand is special. Get the piano monitors along with it. Unless Nord releases a Stage 4 with the Kawai action, the Grand will be with me for a long long time.
You could have asked him if he could guess any of these keyboards (at least the maker) before removing the blindfold. I haven't done a blind test myself, but different keyboard makers sure have their feel and sound signature of some sort. BTW, I am a big fan of Nord's piano sounds, but I recently got to play a Yamaha CP4 that has the best piano *feel* of all the ones I've tried. That's just for the piano sound though.
Kawai MP series is definitely among the top 3 as kawai are piano builders and use really good acoustic modelling to build thier piano sampling database. Its also done using thier shigeru kawai range of pianos for thier sampling of piano sounds
the nord grand absolutly needs to re think its buttons because what he did is hit one of several buttons that are at that level and ive done it as well when playing that piano specifically
There's a "lock buttons"-button on the Nord Grand that you have to hold for some seconds, after which no buttons can be triggered. So accidentally changing sound is not much of a problem.
Roland fantom and Yamaha montage are workstation, not really meant for pianos, but both of them made different version for digital piano, meant for playing pianos. You should have compare them.
Yamaha Montage but with Kawai VPC-1 Controller or the Kawai MP11SE is my choice. The Nord Grand is not bad (Kawai Hammer Action). Roland Fantom 8 (PHA-50) is nice but nothing earth shattering. I have only tested Casio once. It doesn't even remotely come close to my VPC-1 controller.
Great video, guys! Keyscape has the best sample overall, but I don't know what keyboard should I get when it comes to key action. Yamaha is definitely not in consideration, lol.
this is so interesting. so, i own that cheaper casio. it was the first one i bought. then i bought some others that cost a lot more. i also have an actual piano i was given. for me, i use a daw, studio one 5 pro, and i have tons of vst's. for me i shoot for the physical feel since most the time they are going to sound the same as i use sounds outside the device itself mostly. the irony of watching this and videos of shootouts between keyboards is how some people say they love the feel of one, and dont care for another, and then ill run across someone else who loves the other and dislikes the other. i use to think only guitarists ran into that issue where some swear by a strat while others cant stand them. for myself i HATE the casios feel lmao. yet he thought it was great. after all my research ive found its better just to go play on one yourself before buying it, and never listen to anyone else. it goes far deeper into personal opinion that i realized it would when it comes to piano, especially digital. edited for typos. =)
Maybe do a shootout between stage pianos like the Yamaha CP88, Korg SV2, Nord Piano 4, etc. Also, the Roland Fantom 8 can get much better piano sounds if you mess around with it a bit. I'm not sure if you had the Super Natural piano tones downloaded on there or not, but they are much better than what the Fantom 8 comes with out of the box.
Guys! Amazing video as Always! What about some of the new models of the Italian companies? I'm talking about the Crumar Seven and the Viscount Legend 70'. I believe that comparing the acoustic and electric pianos with some of the models of the other companies (Korg sv2- Nord electro- Montage etc.) could be interesting!!! Anyway, great video, Cheers from Argentina!
The strange is that you compared those keyboards, mixing synths with digital pianos... I would expected comparing Nord PIano with Roland RD 2000 with Yamaha CP 88 and the Casio + Keyscape, probably adding also the Korg SV2 88...
Tried them all and can understand all the comments very well. Sold my Fantom X8 and bought a Nord Grand. It‘s the best sounding and the most dynamic digital piano I ever had. The key action is perfect for Jazz and Rock ballads. However fast notes are sometimes hard to play. Sometimes played notes seem to be swallowed.
I have played this Grand Stage at Andertons. When you get the right assistant there to help you out with your intended purchase, its the best music instrument store in the world. But if you have a grumpy assistant, you'll wonder - why did bother to travel to the store.
Keyscape is amazing. If you use it with a great controller keyboard it’ll be as good as the Nord. I strangely got a V-piano cheap but never liked the sound, but the keyboard feel is very special when controlling keyscape or the UVI model D, and for Rhodes, the Gospel musicians Neo Soul keys.
I played a V-Piano once on a music shop, and was amazed by the action. Have you tried the Kawai VPC1 controller? Some people say its has the best action of all the digital keyboards.
I'm looking to buy a new weighted keyboard and this was a great video to give me some insights since it's hard for me to get to a place that has all these to try out. I've been playing software via an older Roland synth and considered Keyscape, but have really been interested in the Nord line. Thanks for a great vid.
I really dig the product demos that you do. However, I need to piss some vinegar and say that the playing is rather límited to cocktail/ ballad piano that is heavy on the pedal. Very beautiful without a doubt, but personally I would be more interested in hearing some ragtime and boogie without so much pedal, as well as some ckassical tunes.
Update with a Kurzweil,a Korg and a Yamaha CP88 against your winner and a higher spec Casio or other controller with the software Great concept and execution for a blindfold test Perhaps get a very standardized scoring sheet based on the questions asked and comments made in the chat.
Thanks for tuning in, we're glad you are enjoying our new episodes! Would definitely be interesting to see how the Korg gets on within a shootout like this... Looks like a part 2 might be in order.
Thanks for the video. I would have loved more description about the keyboards amd a rank on multiple aspects: Quick responsiveness, Heavier vs lighter resistance, Vibration on hammer and release, Ivory vs plastic feel? Touch sensitivity? I hear his scores but not enough about why. 🤔
Keep up the fire, I bought a CDP-S100 this January (thanks to your reviews) and love its compatibility and piano sound, complements my Kawai CA-99 on the beach. :)
Hey, I have a quick question. So I plugged M-Audio sustain pedals to the Sustain port on Montage 8. But it works in the opposite direction. I even turn the keyboard off, while holding down the pedal then turn on the Keyboard still not fixed. Please any ideas how to make this work the right way. Please help
Jack, I'm a little surprised that you didn't include a Korg Kronos 2 88 in this comparison. It has some gorgeous acoustic grand pianos in its library. ... Ha! Such a comparison of yours just popped up! Going there again now to see what Dan says!
Interesting comparison. I agree with the conclusion. Montage and Fantom are Workstations, they can't fight with the enormous Keyscape Piano sound bank ( 200Gb I think). And Nord sound is also more natural. By the way, I love the pieces and the pianist. What is his name ? Dan Who ? What are the pieces from ? Especially the first one (played on the Roland and the Casio) , with Bb - Bb/D - Fsus/C - Eb/G ... So nice. At 9:35 I think I recognize Nimrod by Edward Elgar. Again who is the player and were can I ear more of him ? Sorry Jack, I like You too of course
Daniel Bingham :)
you guys seriously have to do a Christmas video this year, low light, soft focus, couple of guests just chatting in-front of a log fire with Jack whilst Dan noodles way on the piano freaking awesome!
We can't wait...
Right on! And make s’mores and have Dan play what sounds like s’mores over campfire 🔥 , again blind folded in five keyboards 😂
Is it happening soon
The red keyboard on his left has the best piano sound in my opinion. It has a nice rich tone.
@@antonykean6616 who cares about the price tag 🏷 it’s a beautiful piece of musical art f the price tag just buy it
Binghamz is a madman, kills it every time. I got the Nord Grand about a month ago and I gotta say videos like this went a long way in helping me decide. Thanks from Atlanta!
Enjoy it. Excellent choice.
I did a blind listen and took some quick notes. There was a noticeable volume difference on the Nord (seemed quieter), and the Roland had a strange panning issue... seemed off to the R channel more than it should have been? Anyone else notice this, or is it just me?
I don't have the best ears, just wanted to share.
From my blind listen, I liked Keyscape the most, and Nord was close second but the quietness was hard for me to look past for some reason. Unfair, but I guess that's how the loudness war started, eh? haha
Great video thanks for sharing this with us!
I got the Nord Grand and was only thinking about the Keyscape as an alternative. I am extremely picky and there is still a long way to go before a digital piano reach the moon in order to sound acoustic, but the nord has a great sound and fits my workflow even though i have to tweak it at times. Their grand samples are still lacking, but their Upright samples really has something real in them.
Many of Nord's pianos are licensed from Pianotekk, so they're basically cut down Kontakt libraries. My gripe is that they have too much ambiance & mid frequency. I've found a bit of a work around for most of the pianos. if you're interested, I'll share.
OK, so this is the comparison I'd like to see:
Kawai MP11SE
Nord Grand
Yamaha P515
Korg Grandstage
Dexibel Vivo S9 pro
Garritan CFX
VSL Vienna Imperial
Keyscape
Pianoteq various.
Kurzweil Forte
Ravenscroft 275
Acoustic Samples Kawai EX pro
Synthology Ivory II Grand pianos
Roland v piano
Roland Rd2000.
Physis H1
Crumar 7
Those would basically cover all of the best stage pianos and vst gear available and would make a truly unique video one off.
Garritan wins
Yes, action on the Kawai MP11SE is a step up from the one in the Nord. Although a bit heavier. A friend of mine just got a new upright Kawai digital keyboard/piano with even better action and sound than the MP11SE, but you don't want to move it around unnecessary. Can't remember the model though.
@@VoxTone2009 - for your friend's Kawai upright , I can only assume it might be the CA78 (Grand Feel 2 keybed) or the CA79 (Grand Feel 3 keybed). There are higher models but the differences are negligible for the price that you have to contend with.
@@mr.c1989 He said it was the best digital piano Kawai offered. He worked temporary on the side of his regular work at a large music store chain (as a music teacher) that sells very high end concert acoustic pianos (some well over $100K). They carry all the top of the line Kawai pianos (digital and acoustic) along with Steinway and a number of other brands.
I can't unfortunately go and check it out until the pandemic resides.
Roland sounds terrible directly after the Nord. I play Pianoteq driven by a Casio PX-150. According to this video, it's a reasonably good choice. Glad you brought up the issue of weight. The contest is about who can make the best action that weighs the least and is easy to transport.
I use the Casio PX-160 with Modern U, but I have Pianoteq (6) too, but I haven't used/installed it for sometime.
Which piano model are you using from the Pianoteq?
(Are you Updated it to Pianoteq 8?)
Do you have a favorite piano model or preset that match really well with the Casio PX-150?
Thank you for your help!
Like he said, "It's nicer than I first gave it credit for" and I find that defines Roland pianos. There is a video of the piano forever playing a Roland 88 which he claims not to like. At the end he says, "I played that longer than I intended because it is so good". Not verbatim, but the gist.
But , realistically, you could use any of them on a gig and no-one, be it fellow band member, artiste that you are backing, sound man or audience member, will say "Blimey, that piano sounds like shite"
If this is your response to a 3-6 thousand dollar keyboard comparison, you have SERIOUSLY missed the point. You arent going to get a product that sounds like shite for that amount of coin, so splitting hairs is all there is to do.
@@eas26 Exactly.
Conclusion: it’s more about who plays. This guy is an artist.
from 7:14 to 7:22 Oh my .. I don't know how to decribe how I felt. It was a feeling I have never had, so moving. I just learned those chords after that.
Bb > Bb/D > Bbadd9 > Gm > F > C/E > EbM7 > Ebm69 > Bbadd9/D
Wohooo!
Jack. I love your playing too. I watch your playing videos in youtube. If you make another video can you play these chords?
Thank you!
Next do a Rhodes showdown!
Rhodes Blindfold Challenge... We will see what we can do!
Andertons Synths, Keys and Tech Thanks, you guys are awesome👏
Andertons Synths, Keys and Tech blind tests are the way forward for so many reasons
Everybody knows you end up using the Rhodes more anyway 😎
Adding my vote for a Rhodes showdown, followed by a B3 showdown.
Great review. Thanks
Not sure it's reasonable to gauge the action of the Montage when it's visibly bouncing around on the top tier of a stand - the best key bed in the world is going to feel bad when it's supported so unstably.
The keyboard bouncing around makes no difference to the feel of the keybed.
Was waiting for a video like this
Love that you can get the Casio, a laptop and some software for less than some of those keyboards. Still, it's nice to not have to boot up a computer and mess around with cables sometimes - worth the extra money, if you've got it.
Funny editing! And thanks for the nice outro!
Stellar playing ... seriously beautiful. Great vid. Thank you.
As an owner of the Nord, the soft touch membrane buttons are terrible for accidental activation. Travel for switching is millimetres. Why a piano needs a “panel lock” should’ve been a warning that the design is flawed, and needed a rethink. It’s impossible for gigging unless you’re only using one sound, or there’s plenty of time between tunes to release the lock and change tone. Be mindful too, that Nord only have one distributor in UK, which also “supply” warranty repairs, which means a time consuming and costly repair, if they accept to do it. My advice is buy a Kawai MP7 (same action as the Nord) and midi external piano...and is over a Nordgrand cheaper
Really, the Nord Grand has the same bed as the MP7? I would think at that price, they'd at least spring for the MP11 action. Where can one find this information?
Wourghk Kawai MP11 has wooden keys and are longer length too. Great machine, but more like a Rhodes than a piano with a similar weight too. Regarding the MP7, it was £1300 the last time I looked. Customer service is great.
@mgljimcmgl I've played a few years on Kawai mp7, which is more or less the same action as on mp7se, this extremely plastic-sounding loud keyboard is soOo annoying! my neighbors got crazier because of it. The Yamaha and Kawai Action is so loud, that's one of the reasons I buy casio or roland. If the action is louder than the headphone signal, it's not funny.
@mgljimcmgl i saw a comparison gf vs roland vs casio vs kawai, yamaha and kawai play in this comparison not in the same League as Roland or Casio, maybe higher price yamaha keyboards sounds better but i have only played the p45 and the p125 and no wood action like on p515. edit: i isaw action noise comparison videos again, yamaha p125 is much better as kawai, roland is the best, casio 2, yamaha 3, kawai 4, for me is kawai mp7 to loud for home learn but ok is it a Stage Piano.
I agree. They could have done a bit of panel rearranging to make this a non issue.
I remember back when I was an electronics technician and then an engineer that regular folks assumed I could tell them the best "Hi Fi" and then "Stereo" equipment to get. Especially speakers. People would listen to speakers in the listening room of one store. And then drive across town and listen to some in another store. It is VERY hard to compare unless they are side by side, such as these pianos. That also suggests that if the piano test had them located in different places with drive time to get there, it might be harder to judge. The other thing I suggested was they buy the cheapest speakers they liked the sound of. Some people like big boomy bass lousy frequency response speakers. Tastes vary with pianos, too. Of course, a professional pianist (and my mother was a professional concert pianist) is going to have a better ear for such things. She didn't live long enoughto see the state of the art that exists today, but was adamant they "would never equal a real piano". Of course, you should never say never, or always. And here we sit with most of us with crummy little speakers that came with out Dell setup or whatever which probably doesn't translate the real sound all that well.
I can attest to your mother that a real accoustic will never be beaten against electronic keyboard. Some elements of music will never fade despite the test of time -- I'm a professional pianist.
@@derbar7051 Maybe. But I've been involved in "high tech" for years and one thing I have always avoided saying is "never." We might not only get to the point where in a "blind taste test" so to speak, even experts might not be able to tell the difference. If I create a waveform identical to that of a certain piano and have a sophisticated enough speaker system to "handle DC to Daylight", I suspect it is only a matter of time. And there can also be choices to select piano brands, model, period of manufacturer. voicing desired, and so forth. I know that two consecutive pianos off the line won't even sound exactly the same, but whatever the variables are, they can probably be identified and simulated.
@@trainliker100 I don't disagree with you based on the science behind your logic but I do think that science cannot replicate human nature. The sense of touch and the sound world that a electric keyboard pales in comparison compared to accoustic (good that is) pianos. It doesn't help that I have perfect pitch and a true love for the art form so I am biased. Maybe I am wrong and that you're right in that there will be no distinction between both mediums, but I am sceptical.
I think Jack tried to mention subtlety, but the Montage and Roland are different beasts from the Nord Grand. They both have piano centric models for comparable prices with action designed to feel like a grand piano. I mean I'm not faulting the comparison becuase now piano centric players will look at maybe a CP over a montage. More rounded players might prefer the compromise action of the Montage though
Wow I liked Keyscape the best! Might have to get that VST eventually. Very impressed.
Voted Number 1 VST piano sound on Gearslutz.com.
Fun review, which gave me a feel for which of these to test (shame there was no Kawaii or Korg, though). However, the test playing was over a very restricted range of the keyboard (no check for ring on of the high notes or resonance from the bass strings?) and didn’t test response to variations in velocity. How about another comparison, playing a more varied test piece?
I'm sure the nord has kawaii tuned keys
Man! I just love when D-bingerz joins the videos! When you guys get together it's really fun to watch! Can't wait to see him freestyle w/o blindfold.. Greetings from Panama
Thanks for tuning in! Loads ore vids with D-bingerz coming up.
Hey guys I love your vids, and the playing of the both of yus. I'd only mention that these machines have different purposes, Fantom's a workstation, Montage is a Synth beast, the Nord Stage is the ultimate nord stage piano, and the casio is not even a controller-only. Would make more sense to put the best controller for piano action with the Keyscape, the Yamaha CP88, and the best Roland stage piano. (Sorry Korg has no place here lol)
Exactly
The results are just what I expected,
Casio CDP S100 with Keyscape is a big game changer, especially the feel, for the price + keyscape I still think that it's the best bang for your buck.
Others have also commented that you can just use the Casio as a controller since it has a somewhat nicer feeling.
Casio CDP-S100 with Keyscape is the winner for me overall.
Thanks you two.
You can hear the love that Spectrasonic puts in their software. I love Omnisphere. It is the best VST on this planet. I do not own Keyscape because i am not a Piano player. But I own the MODX which is a lot cheaper than the Montage but soundwise its the same. And it has some very nice Pianos. But then again I am not in the position to judge on Pianos.
@D MD Don't forget you can use windows....... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@TheAwesomeGuy101 Yeah, if you want latency and other issues, just buy an old PC and try to run Keyscape.
@@ChrisP3000x Why would you buy an old pc just for keyscape? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@TheAwesomeGuy101 You deleted this: "Buy an old used PC to run Keyscape".
I own the new roland fantom and personally this keyboard is not the best to use as a lead piano rather I think it's better for aux (use it as a top keyboard for fillings) nord is what I'm looking for now.
Why not go for the Casio keybed in this video and simply midi it into the Roland when you want a piano feel thats one hell of a keyboard you have there my friend.
I love this. He felt like he was back on a real piano at the Casio. I just bought a Casio and it is wonderful.
Which model? Thank you
I also bought Casio - CDP-S110 to start with.
I just bought the Yamaha p125... I keep hearing it’s “a good entry” level piano
from my experience the Keyscape sounds are designed to be played on a non weighted keyboard. they work well that way, not as much from a weighted keyboard. I love the piano sound, when i'm on the road using an M audio keyboard. not so much at home with a weighted keyboard.
I disagree with this statement - but then again it’s all personal preference. Why would you say it is designed to be played on a non weighted keyboard? Makes absolutely no sense to me. I feel it is more designed to be played on a weighted keyboard - because the sounds have a realistic feel and pair well with a realistic touch.
It's designed for a roland a88 I believe
So what I'm learning is that I probably need to get Keyscape...
The fact that you didn't have it is an embarrassment to your family name that better have been reconciled by this point. Lol
Keyscape and Ravenscroft are incredible. You just need the right weighted keyboard and you’ve got a dynamic setup🔥
Which fully weighted keyboard would you recommend?
(any brand, any model)
Thank you for your help!
(PS. Nowadays I am thinking of Roland FP-10 and StudioLogic SL88 Studio,
because I've heard and read really good things about their action,
and they are in the same price category,
but I can't find a shop that has both to try them.)
@@kaisfp I picked Casio cdp s110 because the action and sound was much nicer than with Roland fp 10 with very heavy action.
Thanks! I was thinking about the Casio CDP-S350 or 360,
because it seems one of the best bang for the buck Casio,
but then I found the Casio PX-S1100. The PX-s3100 is too expensove for me, and I think I wouldn't use the majority pf its sounds and I don't need arranger function,
so I thought maybe the PX-S1100 would be a better choice (for me at leqst),
because all I really want is a nice fully weighted action with a nice piano sound.
I think tje CDP piano sound is pretty nice too especially for its price, but I like the sound of the PX-s1100 waaay better.
I really like somewhat darker piano sounds (I mean for example Yamaha or Roland sounds tend to be a little too bright to my taste, and I think the Caaio PX-S1100 has a nice darker (and more realistic) sound IMHO, which I really like. I guess I better just save up for the PX-S1100.
(PS. Sorry, I just noticed this when I finished typing. This comment got a little longer then it should/could've been :))
Bingerz is BACK!! Love the new editing style too; awesome job Jack
I have a Kawai VPC1 (which has a similar action to the Nord Grand Stage, I think) and that, along some nice VSTs, as Pianoteq, Ivory II, UVI, NI and such is, for me, the real deal!. Nothing comes close on versatility. Of course, is not so good for moving it, but in my case, as an studio setup, is just great
Nord Grand action is similar to the Kawai MP7SE. Kawai VPC1 is more close to the Kawai MP11SE.
@@guinhomusico9504 OK, I guess even a better action then 👍
They’re all Trash
If you want competition for the Nord, get a kawai MP11 into your testing..
I was considering those but the weight and size put me off. The Nord Grand was a good compromise for me even though the price is pretty crazy.
Does this store even sell Kawai? I can't find any videos of them demoing one
It does use the key action from the MP7 though. Still an amazing stage setup.
@@Kougeru - No they do not, nor Kurzweil. I'm guessing there is only so much you can fit into a physical store. If they were box shifters selling on line, then that would be another matter. This is not how Andertons operate however.
@@andertonsfan3144 Of course it is! You think they sell more stuff with people collecting from the shop than they do people ordering it (online or by phone) for delivery? They are simply shifting boxes.
At 12:15 host asks player about software latency. I don't do Apple. I use PC. I use NI Akoustik Piano software. If one is experiencing latency on PC, download and install ASIO4ALL driver. Learn how to adjust the driver buffers down to failure, then raise them up just enough to stop the glitches. I have 10ms latency.
Piano sound is so scrutinized but honestly not so important in keyboard selection. The quality of the sound is about the sample. The feel of the key bed, the construction quality, and the usability of the software and controls are more important to me. I'll buy the sample I like best.
agree with you... feeling is very important... it makes a huge diference
If u gonna compare pianos then u should get keyboards that specialises in piano sounds.Its unfair to put a stage piano and piano vst up against a workstation keyboard. It would be better if you had all four as Stage/Digital pianos to have a better comparison regarding both acoustic piano sounds as well as feel.
Agreed
Very agreed
@fartpoobox ohyeah No they don't.
@fartpoobox ohyeah.. Stage pianos have the same patches???lol!.. U just joking, right?
I just got a Casio CDP S100, and now with this video i feel more confident i will like it :D
but the sound of Casio s100 in this video is not its sound, Casio s100 keyboard is used being a controller, the sound is VST Keyscape
@@anbalkeen I didn't say I liked it because of the sound, I know it's a VST, I have keyscape
@@BrunoMartinho yeah 👍
i test so much pianos, i play round 5 years kawai mp7 and today i play Casio+pianoteq6 or ivory2 vst, (32buffer) and i love it. i really like the casio action, cdp100 is so cheap for this really good action, next i buy a white px1000+stand. i am so happy to find this channel after JP´s black and white flaw video... the casio action is really nice.
The px1000 and 3000 have a weird action. The keys aren't uniform. If you play classical it may be an issue for you.
@@ernestryles no the Casio's Response Flawed Action Video is weird hate shit, the same person make a video and play Classic on it and say great action all good i can all play, absoluty no problem... A loot of Professional Players Say the Casio Action is great. I wouldn't always believe everything
Jens Jordan It's not though. You can feel it when you play. I personally dont mind it though, and like the action on those boards. It's still nowhere near as nice as Roland's, but it's very usable. I wasn't trying to bash casio... Just wanted to be sure you were aware of the action "issue" if you'd never played the boards before.
@@ernestryles I think that the Casio cdp100 action is more or less the same as the px1/3k, only the weight of the cdp100 keyboard is a little bit lighter, 10.5kg vs. 11.2kg (1kg=2.2pound), the case is more or less the same size! black keys are lighter, but the same strength on white or black give the same tone volume, casio regulates this via software, many people, me or the blind tester here in the video say the action feels good, but for me it's ok, if you think after Mr. Pavel Flawed video, classic play is impossible, it's ok for me.
I'm not a pro player but I did not like the Casio's action at all. Felt cheap
I work in a musical instrument shop (sell piano's) and work in a soundstudio a.s. engeneer and synth/sample and jazz piano player. I have choice enough to choice and took a Casio. I had no experiance with that brand in my 50 years selling/playing/recording. I'm use fan of yamaha/Roland/Nord but this Casio sounding/playing so great, easely put in the mix
Please get three Nords, two of them connected to software, and THEN do a blind test. Fun!
That's a great idea... We will see what we can do!
1000% this. Triple pedal will always give it away won't it :) Love your work Jack and team.
@@AndertonsKeyboardDept o. Vbloo up
Rands Zzob yesss. Maybe throw Ravenscroft in the mix.
@@johnnulf624 Actually (just about) my favorite piano. Spooky!
KAWAI MP11SE didn't have the amplifier, but speaking of the sound quality, it's the one, especially the treble part.
ive just stummbled on this channel and i have defo subscribed it amazed me how well he played without seeing
Ended up getting the Nord for myself. This video had no small part in that decision. Thank you! I couldn't be happier.
I want a nord or roland damn shame my sister passed and with the money she left I can afford one
I love the Nord's design too.
idefc about the pianos that much. this gentleman's chords are hypnotic. ridiculous hands, man.
Agreed
Well, Daniel Bingham, that was very enjoyable playing. Excellent.
For pianos alone, I think that was spot on really. I do personally like the roland V-Pianos sounds ... but once tuned to the individual players touch (the stock patches arnt great). not really sure why you chose the Fantom though - as the RD2000 has the same keybed and same sound engine, and is more a pure piano (OK it has lots of other stuff too - BUT its not a VA synth, sequencer etc that the Fantom is). While the outcome would be the same - the price difference between the Fantom and RD DOES make a difference - as does the price of the Nord V the RD (quite a bit) - and indeed the soundscape version. Have to say the Grand stage is the only Nord piano Id play - its the only one with a decent keybed, and it misses out on a lot other stage pianos can do (the RD as mentioned, Yamahas dedicated pianos etc) - but as JUST a piano - its probably the top choice right now (bar POSSIBLY a Kawai MP7/11)
As they are in a parallel not competing universe, I feel I can point here to the YT channel of Merriam Music where pianist Stu Harrison reviews pianos. I'd say more as a musician than as a salesman. He did in-depth reviews of virtual instruments about half a year ago, comparing Keyscape to others. I think that the Kawai MP11SE now has the best action of the 88-key boards that look like a stage piano (but may be too heavy). Maybe Kawai should update their VPC-1 with these same keys and it facilitating the MP11SE's 3-pedal unit (with optical innards, instead of common potentiometers). I feel, though, they should also do a version of the VPC-1 with a real real grand piano action in it, like they put into one of their Novus machines. No, that will not become light enough for a single person transport to gigs either.
RD2000 is not identical with Fantom. RD would score better than Fantom but in this comparison, the winner somehow would have been the same, i.e. Nord...
@@musicaldracula2017 actually, pianist on both boards are identical. Thete are some more edit features for eps on the rd but that's it.
Why would you use the Montage if the question is about a Piano sound? Use a dedicated piano keyboard like a stage piano.
This guy's touch is the truth
Blind date format is hilarious.
I watched the video by only listening to the sound. Here’s my notes. I missed the Nord with Montage in the later part of Nord because I didn’t realize he moved his hands up for the Montage.
1. Sounds very good. Wooden flavor. I like this one. Pretty wooden. (8) “Not best sound, not best action” - fantom 88
2. A little bit too much ambience. too creamy. I don’t like this one. (5) “Not best action” “sound nice & rich”. “Plastic & cheap” “playable”. - Keyscape
3. Not too many detail. Maybe a KORG or Casio? Feel the sound is empty inside. (7)“Worst action” - MONTAGE.
4. Most likely a Nord. Wooden, delay reasonable, dynamic. Thick sound. i like this one. (9)“Pedal noise high””fill the room with piano”. Touched the gospel pad. Keep doing. Back to the initial one. Sounds quite nice. Not too bad. Ok. Ambience is proper. Played twice after back to the patch. “Can cut through”. (Right upper).”not bad”. - Nora Grand
5. Last one - moved a bit - maybe Roland? Woody. Not bad. 63715 52342 - Fantom 88
6. “I move on to this” - too much decay. Maybe a software one. “Feel a real piano”. - KeyScape
Beautiful piano playing around 8.50 to 9.10. Been working out some of those ideas and they are new to me at least... suspended chords mainly..
For those interested here is my guess at some of the chords used.
LH - RH
D Bb C - F Bb C F
D A C - F G C F (put thumb across F&G notes)
...
Ab Eb - G Bb C F
Gb Db - Bb C F
Db Ab - F Bb C F
You are so right.
The Nord sounds nice but it sounds more like an EP to my ears, not a bright concert grand. I like this format of comparison. Please consider doing another one of these blind tests and include the Kurzweil K2700 against other similarly priced models ($3k) from Yamaha, Nord, Roland.
Keyscape wins for me, purely based on its solo sound, though it all changes once you're trying to fit it into a mix.
Love this take! but how so?
Dan definitely knows and likes a Nord Sound when he hears it. After all for a pro musician, it’s all about what you hear and feel, not what you see.
Week he is a nord guy, just like Jack
The pedal noise was a big giveaway too.
Funny, the 2 keyboards with after touch feel squishy. The Montage and Fantom aren’t designed for the same purpose as the Nord or even the Casio. The Roland RD-2000 and Yamaha CP-88 or P515 would all offer a better feel and piano specific optimizations and would be a better comparison.
Anyone that's used the RHIII action in the Kawai always knows it has a squishy bottoming out
The Kawai action on the Nord bottoms out firmly.
These comparison videos, although in fairness all of your videos, are just so watchable. Even for items I have no interest in purchasing, the entertainment value is second to none. If I get fired from my job for getting distracted, I am blaming you Mr Jack.
If you can afford it, the Nord Grand is special. Get the piano monitors along with it. Unless Nord releases a Stage 4 with the Kawai action, the Grand will be with me for a long long time.
I got the monitors, love them, takes up lest space than my qscs and easier to sit and play without turning on this and that
Get the korg Sv2 in this action for your next one! Would love to see it on a Rhodes shoot out.
You could have asked him if he could guess any of these keyboards (at least the maker) before removing the blindfold. I haven't done a blind test myself, but different keyboard makers sure have their feel and sound signature of some sort.
BTW, I am a big fan of Nord's piano sounds, but I recently got to play a Yamaha CP4 that has the best piano *feel* of all the ones I've tried. That's just for the piano sound though.
Nice Video: It's not Nord Grand Stage (korg Grandstage) but Nord Grand. Keyscape sounds so good. Nice work
🔥🔥🔥🔥And Generalmusic PROMEGA series ??
& Kurzweil Forte/PC3K/PC4 series ??
🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦
great piano play and very interesting comparison
the keyscape sounds brilliant. it does not sound simple sample based. it sounds like the keys influence each other like the real deal.
I have been using keyscape since it came out with a dedicated 88 note hammer action midi keyboard, Its amazing
@@marcuspearson6214 which midi keyboard using with that?
@@NuanDaa m audio keystation pro 88, you can pick one up on ebay for about £100 - £150, they are heavy tho' so be prepared to collect it yourself
Agreed
I was really confused why that casio sounded so good until I saw the label
Keeping our video team & viewers on their toes...
what label?
@@coreyclark3421 + Keyscape (it's running through a powerful vst with an amazing sample library)
Corey Clark The text at the bottom of the screen that says what you're listening to.
@@TheSitch but what is creating the sound? is it hooked up to external speakers?
Kawai MP series is definitely among the top 3 as kawai are piano builders and use really good acoustic modelling to build thier piano sampling database. Its also done using thier shigeru kawai range of pianos for thier sampling of piano sounds
the nord grand absolutly needs to re think its buttons because what he did is hit one of several buttons that are at that level and ive done it as well when playing that piano specifically
There's a "lock buttons"-button on the Nord Grand that you have to hold for some seconds, after which no buttons can be triggered. So accidentally changing sound is not much of a problem.
they have corrected it with Nord Stage 2.
I was blind, but now I see...that this was wonderful to watch!
30 years ago I bought kurzweil mark 10,I like it still now.
Roland fantom and Yamaha montage are workstation, not really meant for pianos, but both of them made different version for digital piano, meant for playing pianos. You should have compare them.
Nord is always the king when it comes to piano sound, absolutely beautiful
I don't know. .I prefer the Korg Pianos..
Nah, yamaha
Grand piano
Yamaha Montage but with Kawai VPC-1 Controller or the Kawai MP11SE is my choice. The Nord Grand is not bad (Kawai Hammer Action). Roland Fantom 8 (PHA-50) is nice but nothing earth shattering. I have only tested Casio once. It doesn't even remotely come close to my VPC-1 controller.
You didn't played Yamaha CP 300. That's no1
Dan is an amazing keyboardist!! Need more videos of him playing!!
Great video, guys! Keyscape has the best sample overall, but I don't know what keyboard should I get when it comes to key action. Yamaha is definitely not in consideration, lol.
Kawai Mp11Se or vp series
Great video as always!!
Glad you enjoyed!
I have to go with the montage, obviously yamaha is the king in piano sound
this is so interesting. so, i own that cheaper casio. it was the first one i bought. then i bought some others that cost a lot more. i also have an actual piano i was given. for me, i use a daw, studio one 5 pro, and i have tons of vst's. for me i shoot for the physical feel since most the time they are going to sound the same as i use sounds outside the device itself mostly. the irony of watching this and videos of shootouts between keyboards is how some people say they love the feel of one, and dont care for another, and then ill run across someone else who loves the other and dislikes the other. i use to think only guitarists ran into that issue where some swear by a strat while others cant stand them. for myself i HATE the casios feel lmao. yet he thought it was great. after all my research ive found its better just to go play on one yourself before buying it, and never listen to anyone else. it goes far deeper into personal opinion that i realized it would when it comes to piano, especially digital. edited for typos. =)
Maybe do a shootout between stage pianos like the Yamaha CP88, Korg SV2, Nord Piano 4, etc. Also, the Roland Fantom 8 can get much better piano sounds if you mess around with it a bit. I'm not sure if you had the Super Natural piano tones downloaded on there or not, but they are much better than what the Fantom 8 comes with out of the box.
Guys! Amazing video as Always! What about some of the new models of the Italian companies? I'm talking about the Crumar Seven and the Viscount Legend 70'. I believe that comparing the acoustic and electric pianos with some of the models of the other companies (Korg sv2- Nord electro- Montage etc.) could be interesting!!! Anyway, great video, Cheers from Argentina!
The Nord sounds the best to me, very nice piano.
I've been eyeing the Fantom but I'll just stick with NI Komplete for my piano sounds.
Great comparison fellas!! Very Helpful
The strange is that you compared those keyboards, mixing synths with digital pianos... I would expected comparing Nord PIano with Roland RD 2000 with Yamaha CP 88 and the Casio + Keyscape, probably adding also the Korg SV2 88...
Tried them all and can understand all the comments very well. Sold my Fantom X8 and bought a Nord Grand. It‘s the best sounding and the most dynamic digital piano I ever had. The key action is perfect for Jazz and Rock ballads. However fast notes are sometimes hard to play. Sometimes played notes seem to be swallowed.
I have played this Grand Stage at Andertons. When you get the right assistant there to help you out with your intended purchase, its the best music instrument store in the world. But if you have a grumpy assistant, you'll wonder - why did bother to travel to the store.
Keyscape is amazing. If you use it with a great controller keyboard it’ll be as good as the Nord. I strangely got a V-piano cheap but never liked the sound, but the keyboard feel is very special when controlling keyscape or the UVI model D, and for Rhodes, the Gospel musicians Neo Soul keys.
I played a V-Piano once on a music shop, and was amazed by the action. Have you tried the Kawai VPC1 controller? Some people say its has the best action of all the digital keyboards.
That was so awesome. Thanks guys.
Yes... he picked my fav...from sound anyway!
I'm looking to buy a new weighted keyboard and this was a great video to give me some insights since it's hard for me to get to a place that has all these to try out. I've been playing software via an older Roland synth and considered Keyscape, but have really been interested in the Nord line. Thanks for a great vid.
Touching accidentally the Nord console with your fingers while you are playing is the "big" issue of that kind of hardware layout!
I really dig the product demos that you do. However, I need to piss some vinegar and say that the playing is rather límited to cocktail/ ballad piano that is heavy on the pedal. Very beautiful without a doubt, but personally I would be more interested in hearing some ragtime and boogie without so much pedal, as well as some ckassical tunes.
Update with a Kurzweil,a Korg and a Yamaha CP88 against your winner and a higher spec Casio or other controller with the software
Great concept and execution for a blindfold test
Perhaps get a very standardized scoring sheet based on the questions asked and comments made in the chat.
Love these shootout vids. Well done! Thought maybe the Korg Sv2 would’ve been great in there:)
Thanks for tuning in, we're glad you are enjoying our new episodes! Would definitely be interesting to see how the Korg gets on within a shootout like this... Looks like a part 2 might be in order.
Always so much fun thanks guys
If going software only piano Kawai VPC-1 all day (beats MP11 for me - prefer the previous gen keybed). They’re $1800 best money ever spent
Thanks for the video. I would have loved more description about the keyboards amd a rank on multiple aspects:
Quick responsiveness,
Heavier vs lighter resistance,
Vibration on hammer and release,
Ivory vs plastic feel?
Touch sensitivity?
I hear his scores but not enough about why. 🤔
Salad fingers.... Haha great random reference!! :)
Keep up the fire, I bought a CDP-S100 this January (thanks to your reviews) and love its compatibility and piano sound, complements my Kawai CA-99 on the beach. :)
Hey, I have a quick question. So I plugged M-Audio sustain pedals to the Sustain port on Montage 8. But it works in the opposite direction. I even turn the keyboard off, while holding down the pedal then turn on the Keyboard still not fixed. Please any ideas how to make this work the right way. Please help
Jack, I'm a little surprised that you didn't include a Korg Kronos 2 88 in this comparison. It has some gorgeous acoustic grand pianos in its library. ... Ha! Such a comparison of yours just popped up! Going there again now to see what Dan says!
Korg is hot garbage buddy, sorry.
Great playing. Tasty. I’d love to see the Yamaha CP 88 comparison with a Nord Grand