Which Brand Has The BEST Piano Sound? - Nord Vs. Roland Vs. Yamaha Vs. Keyscape...
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- Which brand has the best digital piano sound? Find out as Jack & Dan go on a Blindfold Challenge testing out the Nord Grand, Yamaha Montage 8, Roland Fantom & an affordable Casio CDP-S100 plugged into Keyscape VST! Which one would you choose?
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Piano & Keyboard players have been trying to find the best digital piano for decades. With each new model giving you the latest in piano touch feel & sound, how can you tell that you're getting the best keyboard for you? In today's episode, Jack & Dan quest on a blindfold challenge to take brands out of the equation & focus truly on how these keyboards feel & sound.
With some of the biggest brands such as Nord, Yamaha, Roland & Casio, which digital piano will the guys pick when choosing their ideal keyboard?
↪️ Episode Guide ↩️
» 0:00 Ultimate Keyboard Blindfold Challenge
» 1:27 Roland Fantom 88
» 2:21 Casio CDP S100 With Keyscape
» 4:04 Yamaha Montage
» 5:01 Nord Grand Stage
» 7:39 Yamaha Montage
» 8:38 Roland Fantom 88
» 9:30 Casio CDP S100 With Keyscape
» 10:24 How Do They Rank?
» 11:40 The Reveal!
» 15:17 Let's Hear How They Sound Without The Blindfold
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Stellar playing ... seriously beautiful. Great vid. Thank you.
So what I'm learning is that I probably need to get Keyscape...
The fact that you didn't have it is an embarrassment to your family name that better have been reconciled by this point. Lol
Keyscape and Ravenscroft are incredible. You just need the right weighted keyboard and you’ve got a dynamic setup🔥
Which fully weighted keyboard would you recommend?
(any brand, any model)
Thank you for your help!
(PS. Nowadays I am thinking of Roland FP-10 and StudioLogic SL88 Studio,
because I've heard and read really good things about their action,
and they are in the same price category,
but I can't find a shop that has both to try them.)
@@kaisfp I picked Casio cdp s110 because the action and sound was much nicer than with Roland fp 10 with very heavy action.
Thanks! I was thinking about the Casio CDP-S350 or 360,
because it seems one of the best bang for the buck Casio,
but then I found the Casio PX-S1100. The PX-s3100 is too expensove for me, and I think I wouldn't use the majority pf its sounds and I don't need arranger function,
so I thought maybe the PX-S1100 would be a better choice (for me at leqst),
because all I really want is a nice fully weighted action with a nice piano sound.
I think tje CDP piano sound is pretty nice too especially for its price, but I like the sound of the PX-s1100 waaay better.
I really like somewhat darker piano sounds (I mean for example Yamaha or Roland sounds tend to be a little too bright to my taste, and I think the Caaio PX-S1100 has a nice darker (and more realistic) sound IMHO, which I really like. I guess I better just save up for the PX-S1100.
(PS. Sorry, I just noticed this when I finished typing. This comment got a little longer then it should/could've been :))
you guys seriously have to do a Christmas video this year, low light, soft focus, couple of guests just chatting in-front of a log fire with Jack whilst Dan noodles way on the piano freaking awesome!
We can't wait...
Right on! And make s’mores and have Dan play what sounds like s’mores over campfire 🔥 , again blind folded in five keyboards 😂
Is it happening soon
ive just stummbled on this channel and i have defo subscribed it amazed me how well he played without seeing
Was waiting for a video like this
Man! I just love when D-bingerz joins the videos! When you guys get together it's really fun to watch! Can't wait to see him freestyle w/o blindfold.. Greetings from Panama
Thanks for tuning in! Loads ore vids with D-bingerz coming up.
Binghamz is a madman, kills it every time. I got the Nord Grand about a month ago and I gotta say videos like this went a long way in helping me decide. Thanks from Atlanta!
Enjoy it. Excellent choice.
Funny editing! And thanks for the nice outro!
Bingerz is BACK!! Love the new editing style too; awesome job Jack
I did a blind listen and took some quick notes. There was a noticeable volume difference on the Nord (seemed quieter), and the Roland had a strange panning issue... seemed off to the R channel more than it should have been? Anyone else notice this, or is it just me?
I don't have the best ears, just wanted to share.
From my blind listen, I liked Keyscape the most, and Nord was close second but the quietness was hard for me to look past for some reason. Unfair, but I guess that's how the loudness war started, eh? haha
Great video thanks for sharing this with us!
Conclusion: it’s more about who plays. This guy is an artist.
Love that you can get the Casio, a laptop and some software for less than some of those keyboards. Still, it's nice to not have to boot up a computer and mess around with cables sometimes - worth the extra money, if you've got it.
Great review. Thanks
That was so awesome. Thanks guys.
Great comparison fellas!! Very Helpful
Interesting comparison. I agree with the conclusion. Montage and Fantom are Workstations, they can't fight with the enormous Keyscape Piano sound bank ( 200Gb I think). And Nord sound is also more natural. By the way, I love the pieces and the pianist. What is his name ? Dan Who ? What are the pieces from ? Especially the first one (played on the Roland and the Casio) , with Bb - Bb/D - Fsus/C - Eb/G ... So nice. At 9:35 I think I recognize Nimrod by Edward Elgar. Again who is the player and were can I ear more of him ? Sorry Jack, I like You too of course
The red keyboard on his left has the best piano sound in my opinion. It has a nice rich tone.
@@antonykean6616 who cares about the price tag 🏷 it’s a beautiful piece of musical art f the price tag just buy it
Guys! Amazing video as Always! What about some of the new models of the Italian companies? I'm talking about the Crumar Seven and the Viscount Legend 70'. I believe that comparing the acoustic and electric pianos with some of the models of the other companies (Korg sv2- Nord electro- Montage etc.) could be interesting!!! Anyway, great video, Cheers from Argentina!
Always so much fun thanks guys
Thank you! Extremely helpful
great piano play and very interesting comparison
Thanks for the video. I would have loved more description about the keyboards amd a rank on multiple aspects:
Quick responsiveness,
Heavier vs lighter resistance,
Vibration on hammer and release,
Ivory vs plastic feel?
Touch sensitivity?
I hear his scores but not enough about why. 🤔
I just bought the Yamaha p125... I keep hearing it’s “a good entry” level piano
Well, Daniel Bingham, that was very enjoyable playing. Excellent.
Next do a Rhodes showdown!
Rhodes Blindfold Challenge... We will see what we can do!
Andertons Synths, Keys and Tech Thanks, you guys are awesome👏
Andertons Synths, Keys and Tech blind tests are the way forward for so many reasons
Everybody knows you end up using the Rhodes more anyway 😎
Adding my vote for a Rhodes showdown, followed by a B3 showdown.
I'm looking to buy a new weighted keyboard and this was a great video to give me some insights since it's hard for me to get to a place that has all these to try out. I've been playing software via an older Roland synth and considered Keyscape, but have really been interested in the Nord line. Thanks for a great vid.
I think Jack tried to mention subtlety, but the Montage and Roland are different beasts from the Nord Grand. They both have piano centric models for comparable prices with action designed to feel like a grand piano. I mean I'm not faulting the comparison becuase now piano centric players will look at maybe a CP over a montage. More rounded players might prefer the compromise action of the Montage though
Wow I liked Keyscape the best! Might have to get that VST eventually. Very impressed.
Voted Number 1 VST piano sound on Gearslutz.com.
Great video as always!!
Glad you enjoyed!
But , realistically, you could use any of them on a gig and no-one, be it fellow band member, artiste that you are backing, sound man or audience member, will say "Blimey, that piano sounds like shite"
If this is your response to a 3-6 thousand dollar keyboard comparison, you have SERIOUSLY missed the point. You arent going to get a product that sounds like shite for that amount of coin, so splitting hairs is all there is to do.
@@eas26 Exactly.
These comparison videos, although in fairness all of your videos, are just so watchable. Even for items I have no interest in purchasing, the entertainment value is second to none. If I get fired from my job for getting distracted, I am blaming you Mr Jack.
Absolutely beautiful playing.
At 12:15 host asks player about software latency. I don't do Apple. I use PC. I use NI Akoustik Piano software. If one is experiencing latency on PC, download and install ASIO4ALL driver. Learn how to adjust the driver buffers down to failure, then raise them up just enough to stop the glitches. I have 10ms latency.
Get the korg Sv2 in this action for your next one! Would love to see it on a Rhodes shoot out.
I was blind, but now I see...that this was wonderful to watch!
Hey guys I love your vids, and the playing of the both of yus. I'd only mention that these machines have different purposes, Fantom's a workstation, Montage is a Synth beast, the Nord Stage is the ultimate nord stage piano, and the casio is not even a controller-only. Would make more sense to put the best controller for piano action with the Keyscape, the Yamaha CP88, and the best Roland stage piano. (Sorry Korg has no place here lol)
Exactly
Roland sounds terrible directly after the Nord. I play Pianoteq driven by a Casio PX-150. According to this video, it's a reasonably good choice. Glad you brought up the issue of weight. The contest is about who can make the best action that weighs the least and is easy to transport.
I use the Casio PX-160 with Modern U, but I have Pianoteq (6) too, but I haven't used/installed it for sometime.
Which piano model are you using from the Pianoteq?
(Are you Updated it to Pianoteq 8?)
Do you have a favorite piano model or preset that match really well with the Casio PX-150?
Thank you for your help!
Hey guys, I'm getting a Nord Stage 3 HA88 from you in a few weeks time and am definitely not counting down! Could you do some quick tips for the Stage 3 or some work flow tips? Loving the videos by the way :D 🎊🎊
Great playing. Tasty. I’d love to see the Yamaha CP 88 comparison with a Nord Grand
Blind date format is hilarious.
Love these shootout vids. Well done! Thought maybe the Korg Sv2 would’ve been great in there:)
Thanks for tuning in, we're glad you are enjoying our new episodes! Would definitely be interesting to see how the Korg gets on within a shootout like this... Looks like a part 2 might be in order.
Nice Video: It's not Nord Grand Stage (korg Grandstage) but Nord Grand. Keyscape sounds so good. Nice work
I got the Nord Grand and was only thinking about the Keyscape as an alternative. I am extremely picky and there is still a long way to go before a digital piano reach the moon in order to sound acoustic, but the nord has a great sound and fits my workflow even though i have to tweak it at times. Their grand samples are still lacking, but their Upright samples really has something real in them.
Many of Nord's pianos are licensed from Pianotekk, so they're basically cut down Kontakt libraries. My gripe is that they have too much ambiance & mid frequency. I've found a bit of a work around for most of the pianos. if you're interested, I'll share.
Fun review, which gave me a feel for which of these to test (shame there was no Kawaii or Korg, though). However, the test playing was over a very restricted range of the keyboard (no check for ring on of the high notes or resonance from the bass strings?) and didn’t test response to variations in velocity. How about another comparison, playing a more varied test piece?
I'm sure the nord has kawaii tuned keys
Keep up the fire, I bought a CDP-S100 this January (thanks to your reviews) and love its compatibility and piano sound, complements my Kawai CA-99 on the beach. :)
OK, so this is the comparison I'd like to see:
Kawai MP11SE
Nord Grand
Yamaha P515
Korg Grandstage
Dexibel Vivo S9 pro
Garritan CFX
VSL Vienna Imperial
Keyscape
Pianoteq various.
Kurzweil Forte
Ravenscroft 275
Acoustic Samples Kawai EX pro
Synthology Ivory II Grand pianos
Roland v piano
Roland Rd2000.
Physis H1
Crumar 7
Those would basically cover all of the best stage pianos and vst gear available and would make a truly unique video one off.
Garritan wins
Yes, action on the Kawai MP11SE is a step up from the one in the Nord. Although a bit heavier. A friend of mine just got a new upright Kawai digital keyboard/piano with even better action and sound than the MP11SE, but you don't want to move it around unnecessary. Can't remember the model though.
@@VoxTone2009 - for your friend's Kawai upright , I can only assume it might be the CA78 (Grand Feel 2 keybed) or the CA79 (Grand Feel 3 keybed). There are higher models but the differences are negligible for the price that you have to contend with.
@@mr.c1989 He said it was the best digital piano Kawai offered. He worked temporary on the side of his regular work at a large music store chain (as a music teacher) that sells very high end concert acoustic pianos (some well over $100K). They carry all the top of the line Kawai pianos (digital and acoustic) along with Steinway and a number of other brands.
I can't unfortunately go and check it out until the pandemic resides.
Very interesting.
Everybody should do this, for all instrument before buying.
Not sure it's reasonable to gauge the action of the Montage when it's visibly bouncing around on the top tier of a stand - the best key bed in the world is going to feel bad when it's supported so unstably.
The keyboard bouncing around makes no difference to the feel of the keybed.
Please get three Nords, two of them connected to software, and THEN do a blind test. Fun!
That's a great idea... We will see what we can do!
1000% this. Triple pedal will always give it away won't it :) Love your work Jack and team.
@@AndertonsKeyboardDept o. Vbloo up
Rands Zzob yesss. Maybe throw Ravenscroft in the mix.
@@johnnulf624 Actually (just about) my favorite piano. Spooky!
Maybe do a shootout between stage pianos like the Yamaha CP88, Korg SV2, Nord Piano 4, etc. Also, the Roland Fantom 8 can get much better piano sounds if you mess around with it a bit. I'm not sure if you had the Super Natural piano tones downloaded on there or not, but they are much better than what the Fantom 8 comes with out of the box.
Ended up getting the Nord for myself. This video had no small part in that decision. Thank you! I couldn't be happier.
I want a nord or roland damn shame my sister passed and with the money she left I can afford one
I love the Nord's design too.
Yes... he picked my fav...from sound anyway!
The Nord sounds nice but it sounds more like an EP to my ears, not a bright concert grand. I like this format of comparison. Please consider doing another one of these blind tests and include the Kurzweil K2700 against other similarly priced models ($3k) from Yamaha, Nord, Roland.
I play guitar only but love this channel
I work in a musical instrument shop (sell piano's) and work in a soundstudio a.s. engeneer and synth/sample and jazz piano player. I have choice enough to choice and took a Casio. I had no experiance with that brand in my 50 years selling/playing/recording. I'm use fan of yamaha/Roland/Nord but this Casio sounding/playing so great, easely put in the mix
Try the Ravenscroft 275 Sample on UVI. I have used it on recordings and live. Closest to a real piano for me. So dynamic. It is a very personal thing though. Great video. Thanks.
KAWAI MP11SE didn't have the amplifier, but speaking of the sound quality, it's the one, especially the treble part.
You could have asked him if he could guess any of these keyboards (at least the maker) before removing the blindfold. I haven't done a blind test myself, but different keyboard makers sure have their feel and sound signature of some sort.
BTW, I am a big fan of Nord's piano sounds, but I recently got to play a Yamaha CP4 that has the best piano *feel* of all the ones I've tried. That's just for the piano sound though.
Beautiful piano playing around 8.50 to 9.10. Been working out some of those ideas and they are new to me at least... suspended chords mainly..
For those interested here is my guess at some of the chords used.
LH - RH
D Bb C - F Bb C F
D A C - F G C F (put thumb across F&G notes)
...
Ab Eb - G Bb C F
Gb Db - Bb C F
Db Ab - F Bb C F
You are so right.
I do like some of the chords you use Dan. I'd like to hear a classical context as well.
Brilliant piece of work. Each still some way off from a real acoustic piano, I think! Might be handy to include one sometime, so we could 'calibrate' our expectations. Trying to find words for what I hear: these keyboards sound like an over-compressed FM radio broadcast of an acoustic, though some of that might be down to TH-cam.
Maybe also try a classical riff? Chopin, Mozart? Such a different texture from jazz.
Bob James vibes there for D B today. Nice.
Great video. Please share how you connect the casio and record the sound. What audio interface? Mixer?
Roland fantom and Yamaha montage are workstation, not really meant for pianos, but both of them made different version for digital piano, meant for playing pianos. You should have compare them.
Does the pianist have any TH-cam tutorials? Killer playing.
I remember back when I was an electronics technician and then an engineer that regular folks assumed I could tell them the best "Hi Fi" and then "Stereo" equipment to get. Especially speakers. People would listen to speakers in the listening room of one store. And then drive across town and listen to some in another store. It is VERY hard to compare unless they are side by side, such as these pianos. That also suggests that if the piano test had them located in different places with drive time to get there, it might be harder to judge. The other thing I suggested was they buy the cheapest speakers they liked the sound of. Some people like big boomy bass lousy frequency response speakers. Tastes vary with pianos, too. Of course, a professional pianist (and my mother was a professional concert pianist) is going to have a better ear for such things. She didn't live long enoughto see the state of the art that exists today, but was adamant they "would never equal a real piano". Of course, you should never say never, or always. And here we sit with most of us with crummy little speakers that came with out Dell setup or whatever which probably doesn't translate the real sound all that well.
I can attest to your mother that a real accoustic will never be beaten against electronic keyboard. Some elements of music will never fade despite the test of time -- I'm a professional pianist.
@@derbar7051 Maybe. But I've been involved in "high tech" for years and one thing I have always avoided saying is "never." We might not only get to the point where in a "blind taste test" so to speak, even experts might not be able to tell the difference. If I create a waveform identical to that of a certain piano and have a sophisticated enough speaker system to "handle DC to Daylight", I suspect it is only a matter of time. And there can also be choices to select piano brands, model, period of manufacturer. voicing desired, and so forth. I know that two consecutive pianos off the line won't even sound exactly the same, but whatever the variables are, they can probably be identified and simulated.
@@trainliker100 I don't disagree with you based on the science behind your logic but I do think that science cannot replicate human nature. The sense of touch and the sound world that a electric keyboard pales in comparison compared to accoustic (good that is) pianos. It doesn't help that I have perfect pitch and a true love for the art form so I am biased. Maybe I am wrong and that you're right in that there will be no distinction between both mediums, but I am sceptical.
Salad fingers.... Haha great random reference!! :)
This guy's touch is the truth
I've been eyeing the Fantom but I'll just stick with NI Komplete for my piano sounds.
idefc about the pianos that much. this gentleman's chords are hypnotic. ridiculous hands, man.
Agreed
from 7:14 to 7:22 Oh my .. I don't know how to decribe how I felt. It was a feeling I have never had, so moving. I just learned those chords after that.
Bb > Bb/D > Bbadd9 > Gm > F > C/E > EbM7 > Ebm69 > Bbadd9/D
Wohooo!
Jack. I love your playing too. I watch your playing videos in youtube. If you make another video can you play these chords?
Thank you!
I really, really enjoy your reviews and comparisons very much. They're entertaining and honest and with these blindfold-series, even better. Blind A/B tests with loudness being normalized (you may use EBU-R128 lvele meters for equalizing the perceived loudness, there are free plugins out there) are the only serious tests in my opinion. Please keep us both entertained and informed with more videos :-) // That being said, I am not even a pianist or keyboard player :-D Still love your videos a lot.
I love this. He felt like he was back on a real piano at the Casio. I just bought a Casio and it is wonderful.
Which model? Thank you
I also bought Casio - CDP-S110 to start with.
Kawai MP series is definitely among the top 3 as kawai are piano builders and use really good acoustic modelling to build thier piano sampling database. Its also done using thier shigeru kawai range of pianos for thier sampling of piano sounds
I just got a Casio CDP S100, and now with this video i feel more confident i will like it :D
but the sound of Casio s100 in this video is not its sound, Casio s100 keyboard is used being a controller, the sound is VST Keyscape
@@anbalkeen I didn't say I liked it because of the sound, I know it's a VST, I have keyscape
@@BrunoMartinho yeah 👍
Wonder what the chances of Nord making a workstation like the Fantom is someday with the Grand sound/action
Update with a Kurzweil,a Korg and a Yamaha CP88 against your winner and a higher spec Casio or other controller with the software
Great concept and execution for a blindfold test
Perhaps get a very standardized scoring sheet based on the questions asked and comments made in the chat.
If you want competition for the Nord, get a kawai MP11 into your testing..
that nord sample is godly.
Great video, guys! Keyscape has the best sample overall, but I don't know what keyboard should I get when it comes to key action. Yamaha is definitely not in consideration, lol.
Kawai Mp11Se or vp series
Good to hear the comments on the Fantom 8 key bed. I am not going mad; I had one and did not like it. I found it was not responsive enough to allow quick playing. I would have an acoustic any day.
just an observation! favourites on the lower!!!!!!.......
Thank you
Good job
The strange is that you compared those keyboards, mixing synths with digital pianos... I would expected comparing Nord PIano with Roland RD 2000 with Yamaha CP 88 and the Casio + Keyscape, probably adding also the Korg SV2 88...
Bings! I love your playing.
also - would be nice to know which presets were selected for each keyboard. (especially - did you load the Bosendorfer in the montage? cause you kinda have to :-D
Need a workstation comparison Fantom, Kronos, Montage. Maybe talk about who the typical workstation buyer is live performer, composer, sound design, ???
I have used very very expensive keyboards, but damn.... I played a casino action once, and I really liked it
The inadvertent patch change was a dead give-a-way, lol...
It's a real pita.
But such as awesome instrument.
30 years ago I bought kurzweil mark 10,I like it still now.
I really dig the product demos that you do. However, I need to piss some vinegar and say that the playing is rather límited to cocktail/ ballad piano that is heavy on the pedal. Very beautiful without a doubt, but personally I would be more interested in hearing some ragtime and boogie without so much pedal, as well as some ckassical tunes.
Wow, that little Casio really punches above it's weight, especially for the money!
Dan is an amazing keyboardist!! Need more videos of him playing!!
You should hook up the same MIDI keyboard to all of those for blinding!
He knows exactly what he is doing
On nord sounds butter I have it it sounds really sweet,and I like the Yamaha to
CDP S100 works as a controller!?! 👏🤝 keyscape here I come
For pianos alone, I think that was spot on really. I do personally like the roland V-Pianos sounds ... but once tuned to the individual players touch (the stock patches arnt great). not really sure why you chose the Fantom though - as the RD2000 has the same keybed and same sound engine, and is more a pure piano (OK it has lots of other stuff too - BUT its not a VA synth, sequencer etc that the Fantom is). While the outcome would be the same - the price difference between the Fantom and RD DOES make a difference - as does the price of the Nord V the RD (quite a bit) - and indeed the soundscape version. Have to say the Grand stage is the only Nord piano Id play - its the only one with a decent keybed, and it misses out on a lot other stage pianos can do (the RD as mentioned, Yamahas dedicated pianos etc) - but as JUST a piano - its probably the top choice right now (bar POSSIBLY a Kawai MP7/11)
As they are in a parallel not competing universe, I feel I can point here to the YT channel of Merriam Music where pianist Stu Harrison reviews pianos. I'd say more as a musician than as a salesman. He did in-depth reviews of virtual instruments about half a year ago, comparing Keyscape to others. I think that the Kawai MP11SE now has the best action of the 88-key boards that look like a stage piano (but may be too heavy). Maybe Kawai should update their VPC-1 with these same keys and it facilitating the MP11SE's 3-pedal unit (with optical innards, instead of common potentiometers). I feel, though, they should also do a version of the VPC-1 with a real real grand piano action in it, like they put into one of their Novus machines. No, that will not become light enough for a single person transport to gigs either.
RD2000 is not identical with Fantom. RD would score better than Fantom but in this comparison, the winner somehow would have been the same, i.e. Nord...
@@musicaldracula2017 actually, pianist on both boards are identical. Thete are some more edit features for eps on the rd but that's it.
Based on this scoring, I may already know the answer-BUT, in terms of how the keybed feels, have you guys ever reviewed/thrown in a Kawai MP11SE into the comparison mix...?