When I bought my Madone SL7 a few years back, the guys at the Trek store recommended that I get one of these to protect my frame. The piece of mind is worth the purchase price. Thanks, Josh!
Hirobel let me continue to use the park stand. My dad gave the stand to me for Christmas in 1987. He always said he wished he loved anything as much as I did bicycles.
Trying to support a tandem is always trickly because neither seatpost is close to the center of gravity--leading to the temptation to clamp the delicate top tube. This seemed like the perfect answer, so I bought one. Alas, it's not long enough for tandem frames. Silca support is checking to see if they can make a longer one, which would be awesome! While I don't know how big the market would be for a tandem-compatible version, the investment in manufacturing would be minimal since the only requirement is a slightly longer piece of extruded aluminum, so no extra tooling, etc. Here's hoping that they can do it!
I own the Hirobel and find that top tubes on my Trek Domane road bike and my Trek Fuel Ex mountain bike and too wide and thus don't fit properly in the Hirobel. The Hirobel's gray silicone contact receptacles should be wider in order to accommodate the wider top tubes that are common on today's bikes.
I’ve had my Hirobel for over 8 years now when Brandon Hirowaki owner and inventer of the Hirobel clamp was selling them privately. Now sold to Silca. It still works superbly.
The Hirobel is the single best thing I've ever bought for bike maintenance, at least after a good set of Allen and Torx wrenches. I love the Silca chain wax, but the stuff I used to make for myself was at least ok. But there's nothing like this bike support anywhere else.
Excellent points. Thank you. It is so easy to damage a carbon frame. My last two bike purchases have titanium frames. I still won’t clamp them by anything except the seat tube. I may have to consider this Silca Hirobel.
Very interested in this product having seen the video. The video explains the problems of clamping frame/post but is looking at work stands that clamp in a front to back axis. Mine clamps top to bottom or side to side, as do many. This being the case I cannot see how the jaws would be able to fit around this device. Would you please let me know whether and how this is possible?
Please, can you suggest how to secure a carbon road bike when transporting on a bike rack on a car? We use a Thule one which sits on the trailer hitch of a passenger car. Obviously, we need to secure the bikes somewhere, so we try to clamp them as close to the intersection with the seat tube as possible, but still on the top tube. We do add Thule's sleeve to further distribute the forces and don't tighten the clamp strongly. We only secure it so much that the bike is save, we don't wait for the torque to be limited by the clamp.
Nice video explaining to handle your bike(s) carefully. I do not use a workstand anymore. I always work on my bikes (race, MTB, NLcitybike) while hanging on 2 ropes. I do not use hooks but use two looped ropes which I throw over a 4”x2”. Both ends of one rope I loop around the saddle. The other rope loops around the handlebars. Works like a charm. Torquing BB can be done while hanging but I prefer to put the bike back on the floor. Hope this makes sense. Many bikeshops in the Netherlands use hanging method (with hooks).
That's a great solution for bike shops. Unfortunately not very practical for many people at home. The hirobel clamp and similar products are a great solution.
I love my Feedback stand, but they don't do anything other than round tubes very well. My van' has a Park clamp. My home shop has a Park stand with the steel base. Last shop had an EVT stand. I like the Park 100-3D clamp the best I have a Hirobel for when I have to use the Feedback stand in the field for the reasons stated in this video
I am a very happy owner of the Hirobel frame clamp, my only issue is that my bike stand (which is old and very cheap) does not hold the Hirobel frame clamp securely no matter how tight I clamp it down. Yep, that is my own problem for not buying a better stand....the Hirobel frame clamp is brilliant.
14:13 Do you have any recommendations to prevent the Hirobel from rotating/spinning in the bike stand clamp? Whenever I put in heavier frames it tends to slip/sag and I will have to re-clamp the Hirobel back into the stand. Thanks!
This happens in some of the older style clamps (like the one I have at home) with round jaws.. if yours has grooves for cables to pass through (as all of the older Park stands do) you can drill a hole in the Hirobel and screw in an M6 socket head cap screw on the top and/or bottom of the bar.. the head of the screw then locates in the groove of the clamp and prevents rotation. I'll make a video on this!
This is of course a Silca commercial promoting the Hirobel frame clamp. Good idea, useful product, no question. The hidden message is to frame manufacturers to finally skip their stupid proprietary seatposts: A standard-diameter, round seatpost allows you to easily replace it with a cheap aluminium one and clamp it securely your bike into your old, otherwise pefectly good workstand.
What if you are not clamping, but just resting it on the clamp like on a hanger? Not actually squeezing the two sides of the clamp but just resting the top tube on the bottom clamp half.
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The day my bike arrived I mounted it in the frame to assemble it and feel bad for that one time ever since...
Yes, in that case bike is mounted at it's strong points which are designed to handle not just static load but also heavy impact. Unfortunately it takes maybe 30secs more to mount the bike so bike shops don't like it 😂
Fork mounts are great for bike washing and derailleur tuning, but are limiting for shop environments as you can't really do any front brake or headset work when using one, so you end up needing a frame clamping stand as well.
@@SILCAVelo Indeed. For my home workshop, I made myself an adaptor to support both front and rear so I can also work on my front wheel with the stand. For headset work I use my Wahoo Kickr 😎 Brake bleeding is another scenario I found that a frame clamping stand works better since you can easily tilt the bike.
Had a fork mount system but got rid of it as it has limitations such as trueing front discs, I had to take my bike off of the stand and mount the front wheel and hold it by hand and spin the wheel to look at the disc flatness. Moved to a standard mount and can do more maintenance.
While watching your highly informative video, I cringed at the idea of placing my newly acquired bike ( carbon fiber frame) back onto my bike rack which is similar to the traditional bike stand because it holds the bike horizontally via the top tube. Can this hero Bill product be used on my frame when I'm placing it on the bike rack or do I need to get an entirely new bike rack where the bike sits on the rack via the wheels and tires? Thank you
Yea, Giant distributor in my place has 3 work stations non of them are using the clamping station, they are using the one that can lock the thru axle of the bike onto the station. They mentioned although the chance of you actually damage the tubes by clamping is really low, but due to how modern carbon bike was constructed, saving weight and reduce the thickness where force doesn't apply when riding aka the top tube, they don't want to risk it as they got to be the one who warrant the frame if they damaged it. Lmao.
@@fabienvillain bro. Not everything you see on pro scene should be done by us normal people. If a pro somehow cracked his/her frameset, they have a lot of spare to replace it on the spot. Us mere mortals don't have such luxury.
Great product. But honestly I don’t even trust this. For carbon bikes I only use front fork attachment stands. I see that goes for some pro team mechanics too. Keep up the great vids!
@@GummeeH3 A cone wrench between the clamping surface and the frame may be employed if slipping is a problem, Emory cloth is also useful in this situation.
Good idea but 200 euro??!! I used some polymorph plastic that is mouldable when hot. pressed it against the bike and the clamp simultaneously so now I have the perfect shape and I made one for each different tubeshape.
A solution for a problem that does not exist: just use the standard stand clamp with the minimum force required to hold the bike by the seatpost without slipping. PS It is aluminium not aluminum, this is how you say the name of the element with the atomic number 13 correctly.
Buying the rights to a product does not make it a Silca product. You did not invent it (and I suspect you do not manufacture it now). You glossed over that very quickly.
You mean at 9:54 when I say the words 'I didn't invent it' and then name the guy who did and discuss buying it from him? Also, we don't mention anything about manufacturing, but the tool is assembled in the SILCA factory in Indianapolis and uses 100% USA manufactured content..
@@GummeeH3 That’s me ! Road and MTB And in the car roof bike carrier. But only 20 year’s experience with no issues so I guess it’s not really convincing 😅😅😅
I'm grateful for having round seatposts on all my bikes. This product makes a lot of sense.
I have the Hirobel and it is one of the best tool purchases I have made. Works on all bikes and all frame materials.. Nicely done...
When I bought my Madone SL7 a few years back, the guys at the Trek store recommended that I get one of these to protect my frame. The piece of mind is worth the purchase price. Thanks, Josh!
Trek actually has their own clamp for Madone. I'm currently using that. It is still a seat tube clamp, but the force that can be applied is fixed.
Hirobel let me continue to use the park stand. My dad gave the stand to me for Christmas in 1987. He always said he wished he loved anything as much as I did bicycles.
Owned a Hirobel for a few years and didn't realize the cones could be rotated to fit different top tube shapes. Thanks for the video!
I agree. Same situation, and I was today year's old when I learned it.
Very informative dude.. Great product wish it was cheaper 😊 Pete 🚴🏻👍
Love mine! A must-have product especially for bike shops
Brilliant. Nothing else like it. Worth every penny.
I bought one early this year. It works great, also to transport a carbon bike on a bike rack on the back of the car.
Trying to support a tandem is always trickly because neither seatpost is close to the center of gravity--leading to the temptation to clamp the delicate top tube. This seemed like the perfect answer, so I bought one. Alas, it's not long enough for tandem frames. Silca support is checking to see if they can make a longer one, which would be awesome! While I don't know how big the market would be for a tandem-compatible version, the investment in manufacturing would be minimal since the only requirement is a slightly longer piece of extruded aluminum, so no extra tooling, etc. Here's hoping that they can do it!
I own the Hirobel and find that top tubes on my Trek Domane road bike and my Trek Fuel Ex mountain bike and too wide and thus don't fit properly in the Hirobel. The Hirobel's gray silicone contact receptacles should be wider in order to accommodate the wider top tubes that are common on today's bikes.
Can you tweak the price down? it's so expensive for a tube of aluminium and some rubber
I’ve had my Hirobel for over 8 years now when Brandon Hirowaki owner and inventer of the Hirobel clamp was selling them privately. Now sold to Silca. It still works superbly.
The Hirobel is the single best thing I've ever bought for bike maintenance, at least after a good set of Allen and Torx wrenches. I love the Silca chain wax, but the stuff I used to make for myself was at least ok. But there's nothing like this bike support anywhere else.
I bought Hirobel few month ago and its been great and easy to use
Excellent points. Thank you. It is so easy to damage a carbon frame. My last two bike purchases have titanium frames. I still won’t clamp them by anything except the seat tube. I may have to consider this Silca Hirobel.
I just put a rag in my clamp and rest the top tube on it, without closing the clamp; on the balance point of the bike so it’s stable as I work on it.
That’s what I do too, but I almost knocked my bike out of by accident one day.
Same, works for very basic maintenance, but sometimes I definitely need more stability. I’ll likely pick up a Hirobel at some point.
This. Yellow MF cloth folded over a couple of times. Then lightly screw the clamp closed where it's barely touching. But that is a cool tool.
Why don't you design a work stand with the Hirobel integrated?
6:13 interestingly my clamp actually does clamp front to back. I've not had any issues clamping aero seat posts and that is probably the reason why.
This is fine for almost every seatpost, except über lightweight ones like Darimo, MCFK, Schmolke and THM.
Great product! I got one this year and love it!
I love it; using it since half a year or so! Super engineered ❤
Great video! Thanks
Very interested in this product having seen the video. The video explains the problems of clamping frame/post but is looking at work stands that clamp in a front to back axis. Mine clamps top to bottom or side to side, as do many. This being the case I cannot see how the jaws would be able to fit around this device. Would you please let me know whether and how this is possible?
I bought one when I bought my first carbon bike in 2020. So expensive, but so worth it. I also use it to store my bike
Please, can you suggest how to secure a carbon road bike when transporting on a bike rack on a car? We use a Thule one which sits on the trailer hitch of a passenger car. Obviously, we need to secure the bikes somewhere, so we try to clamp them as close to the intersection with the seat tube as possible, but still on the top tube. We do add Thule's sleeve to further distribute the forces and don't tighten the clamp strongly. We only secure it so much that the bike is save, we don't wait for the torque to be limited by the clamp.
Nice video explaining to handle your bike(s) carefully. I do not use a workstand anymore.
I always work on my bikes (race, MTB, NLcitybike) while hanging on 2 ropes. I do not use hooks but use two looped ropes which I throw over a 4”x2”. Both ends of one rope I loop around the saddle. The other rope loops around the handlebars. Works like a charm. Torquing BB can be done while hanging but I prefer to put the bike back on the floor. Hope this makes sense.
Many bikeshops in the Netherlands use hanging method (with hooks).
That's a great solution for bike shops. Unfortunately not very practical for many people at home. The hirobel clamp and similar products are a great solution.
I love my Feedback stand, but they don't do anything other than round tubes very well. My van' has a Park clamp. My home shop has a Park stand with the steel base. Last shop had an EVT stand.
I like the Park 100-3D clamp the best
I have a Hirobel for when I have to use the Feedback stand in the field for the reasons stated in this video
Love my Hirobel!
An thought give to adopting this to create a nice wall mount for bike, to hang them off walls?
I love this channel. 🚲
I do as well--even though it means I send all of my money to Silca.
I am a very happy owner of the Hirobel frame clamp, my only issue is that my bike stand (which is old and very cheap) does not hold the Hirobel frame clamp securely no matter how tight I clamp it down. Yep, that is my own problem for not buying a better stand....the Hirobel frame clamp is brilliant.
14:13 Do you have any recommendations to prevent the Hirobel from rotating/spinning in the bike stand clamp? Whenever I put in heavier frames it tends to slip/sag and I will have to re-clamp the Hirobel back into the stand. Thanks!
This happens in some of the older style clamps (like the one I have at home) with round jaws.. if yours has grooves for cables to pass through (as all of the older Park stands do) you can drill a hole in the Hirobel and screw in an M6 socket head cap screw on the top and/or bottom of the bar.. the head of the screw then locates in the groove of the clamp and prevents rotation. I'll make a video on this!
This is of course a Silca commercial promoting the Hirobel frame clamp. Good idea, useful product, no question. The hidden message is to frame manufacturers to finally skip their stupid proprietary seatposts: A standard-diameter, round seatpost allows you to easily replace it with a cheap aluminium one and clamp it securely your bike into your old, otherwise pefectly good workstand.
How does it work when washing the bike?
Will this clamp work on a '23 Trek Madone with the Iso flow?
Fair Point! What about bike Mount on Cars? Roof or trailer hitch porter?
Went strait to Amazon and bought one
What if you are not clamping, but just resting it on the clamp like on a hanger? Not actually squeezing the two sides of the clamp but just resting the top tube on the bottom clamp half.
The day my bike arrived I mounted it in the frame to assemble it and feel bad for that one time ever since...
Fork mounted workstand even better.
Yes, in that case bike is mounted at it's strong points which are designed to handle not just static load but also heavy impact. Unfortunately it takes maybe 30secs more to mount the bike so bike shops don't like it 😂
Fork mounts are great for bike washing and derailleur tuning, but are limiting for shop environments as you can't really do any front brake or headset work when using one, so you end up needing a frame clamping stand as well.
@@SILCAVelo Indeed. For my home workshop, I made myself an adaptor to support both front and rear so I can also work on my front wheel with the stand. For headset work I use my Wahoo Kickr 😎 Brake bleeding is another scenario I found that a frame clamping stand works better since you can easily tilt the bike.
Had a fork mount system but got rid of it as it has limitations such as trueing front discs, I had to take my bike off of the stand and mount the front wheel and hold it by hand and spin the wheel to look at the disc flatness. Moved to a standard mount and can do more maintenance.
For what many of us spend on carbon bikes these days, this seems like a very sensible investment.
While watching your highly informative video, I cringed at the idea of placing my newly acquired bike ( carbon fiber frame) back onto my bike rack which is similar to the traditional bike stand because it holds the bike horizontally via the top tube. Can this hero Bill product be used on my frame when I'm placing it on the bike rack or do I need to get an entirely new bike rack where the bike sits on the rack via the wheels and tires? Thank you
I want one of these posters. Please. 😅
Yea, Giant distributor in my place has 3 work stations non of them are using the clamping station, they are using the one that can lock the thru axle of the bike onto the station. They mentioned although the chance of you actually damage the tubes by clamping is really low, but due to how modern carbon bike was constructed, saving weight and reduce the thickness where force doesn't apply when riding aka the top tube, they don't want to risk it as they got to be the one who warrant the frame if they damaged it. Lmao.
Interesting topic and great explanation. I don't even own a carbon bike
is it okay to sit on the frame when you're waiting for your friends along the road?
Hell no. I've never understood why people do that. Frame damage is one thing but the crotch damage must be horrible too.
its not a chair bro
@@frybait0626 All pros do it when they're waiting at the start line. So it's worth wondering if it's okay or not.
@@fabienvillain bro. Not everything you see on pro scene should be done by us normal people. If a pro somehow cracked his/her frameset, they have a lot of spare to replace it on the spot. Us mere mortals don't have such luxury.
Woul be nice if you make a hirobel for bike car racks so we could put our expensive frames on the back of our car.
Thule sells something similar for that purpose.
It’s called Thule 982 frame adapter.
i think silca should come out with a fresh new take on bike stands........come on Josh, you can do it.
Great product. But honestly I don’t even trust this. For carbon bikes I only use front fork attachment stands. I see that goes for some pro team mechanics too. Keep up the great vids!
Fantastic product but at a crazy $330AUD it's unrealistic for home mechanics 🤷
What about bike car racks?
i have cheap columbus slx frame
it’s like shopping channel😂
Just tighten until the frame 'Clicks'.
you forgot the step after: tighten it till it creaks, then back off a quarter turn
@@GummeeH3 A cone wrench between the clamping surface and the frame may be employed if slipping is a problem, Emory cloth is also useful in this situation.
this is humor,don't worry 😉
How many watts it saves?!!
the safest way to clamp your bike is you clamp it on seat post but both of tire are touch the ground. that is what i do.
Good idea but 200 euro??!! I used some polymorph plastic that is mouldable when hot. pressed it against the bike and the clamp simultaneously so now I have the perfect shape and I made one for each different tubeshape.
it’s expensive to be honest
I always clamped my top tube, never cracked and as far as I know : I don't know anyone who has broken a frame on a stand.
We still see World Pro Team mechanics clamping carbon top tubes. Moral of the story... being a pro mechanic doesn't make you a good mechanic.
Virtually every world tour team is using fork/BB mounted stands from what I’ve seen.
@@RyonBeachner Come to think of it, that's what I've seen recently too. Maybe it's becoming less common.
if they do somehow manage to crack the frameset, they have a lot of spares to replace it with.
@@frybait0626 And at no cost 😅
A 15 minute advert.
A solution for a problem that does not exist: just use the standard stand clamp with the minimum force required to hold the bike by the seatpost without slipping.
PS It is aluminium not aluminum, this is how you say the name of the element with the atomic number 13 correctly.
Not all that pretty but certainly functional :-) if it can save just ONE frame it pays for itself in one fell swoop
Stop the fear mongering to sell this crap and clamp the seat post like every other person who works on bikes in a stand does.
Buying the rights to a product does not make it a Silca product.
You did not invent it (and I suspect you do not manufacture it now).
You glossed over that very quickly.
You mean at 9:54 when I say the words 'I didn't invent it' and then name the guy who did and discuss buying it from him? Also, we don't mention anything about manufacturing, but the tool is assembled in the SILCA factory in Indianapolis and uses 100% USA manufactured content..
@@SILCAVelo That is exactly what I meant when I said that you glossed over it VERY quickly.
More bullshit whaaaa?
Doesn't look like BS to me.
Let me guess: you''re one of those 'I always clamp my bike by a frame tube and have never had anything happen' types.
@@GummeeH3
That’s me ! Road and MTB And in the car roof bike carrier. But only 20 year’s experience with no issues so I guess it’s not really convincing 😅😅😅
@@marcdaniels9079 You carry your bike by its top-tube on the roof rack? ;)
@@GummeeH3 ur guess is wrong whaa?