I've been wanting to get this video out for a long time and I'm so happy people are finally going to get to see it. I know the time between this video and the last one was pretty large, but hopefully, we won't have that issue going forward. Kyle and I started working on some pretty large videos and with everything going on, it was hard to get time to properly get them done. This was one of them, and the other one is really close to being completed. My next video will be a lot shorter and about an anime that I really enjoyed watching recently. Look forward to hearing your thoughts on this and what's next, thank you for all of the support. - Josh
I recently had an argument with one of my friends about the midichlorians and I had to Show him your video and he still thinks it’s an unnecessary peace of law and that made me kind of annoyed and disappointed because your video on this is amazing and I really wanted to put my whole argument to rest.
I used to be indifferent to the concept of midichlorians. I didn't hate them or like them, it was whatever. However, the Darth Plagueis novel swayed me and made me think they are actually pretty interesting and cool. Plagueis conveyed them as something genetic obviously but there was also a shroud of mysticism to them and even sentience to the midichlorians, I'm telling you the Plagueis novel might just change your mind.
I like midicholrians because it explains how some people are force sensitive and how some are more powerful than others. It creates a metric of how someone is so powerful with the force.
The more time passes between me finding out about it, the more interesting I find George Lucas's original plan of exploring symbiosis and coexistence in the sequels. It doesn't quite gel with what people think Star Wars "should" be about thought so maybe that's why they bounced off midichlorians so hard.
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I was expecting a bad video cause that what mostly pops up when a video is promoted but, the video is well made, and now I have some useless piece of information which most likely will replace something important thanks.
I've read on Quora that Midichlorians give a scientific explanation to something magical, which ruins the story, and this is simply not the case, because the midi-chlorians themselves have to have magical abilities in order to communicate with the force.
I hate that people reduce it to "science vs. magic" argument, but if we want to get that reductionist, then Palpatine shooting lightning from his fingertips is scientific because it requires a biophysiological process by which a phalange'd bibrachial organism must extend its brachion and delicately position its phalanges such that it channels and emits an electrical charge.
I'll defend the inclusion of what the whole concepts around midichlorians are to the grave. I don't mean that in chest beating ways, but still remaining truly based to what my prerogatives are in my case. I'm an INTJ-to-INFJ on the MBTI so, I'm going to stubbornly tell my truth while trying not to be insensitive either, lol. Trying to tread a tightrope line's slippery slope, you know? I appreciate George demystifying a lot of the vagueness with the force and distilling it to being more tangible and it also shows both how and why the Jedi would reassess sensitives for the initiation of their overall training along with how the Old Jedi Order was morally elitist and only wanted the best which of course was their self-fulling downfall propelled by misunderstandings of Anakin and such. They missed the boat on what Qui-Gon deemed as, "The Living Force" which it wasn't just a job for him, but a way of life furthering the sentiment in the words of Yoda, "A Jedi must have the deepest commitment." George meant lots of those events to parallel actual historical takeovers of corrupt governments and things. And keeping very much in step with scientific findings people that're usually more spiritual or at least think they're visceral tend to have literally more concentrations of water in their bloodstream and how could that not be the closet representation of that in reality? I'm essentially an atheist myself (Sometimes, I want the faith based on security and my own existential questioning), but as more of a rational person I'd like a base ten metric system of scoring certain power levels in order to fully understand those mysteries if they were indeed real. It's logically consistent there'd be six densities of force sensitivity for said users.
@@markdobos97 If I didn't articulate in ways that went over with other people, then I'm sorry. What I was saying to put it simply more or less is that while many of both the changes and reinventions even that George added to Star Wars' lore may've not been the best in terms of a compelling narrative for what's considered to be great storytelling in the context of working visual mediums especially in light of the original trilogy, but the midichlorian idea makes sense and is something I resonate with ultimately. Explains a lot in terms of how selective the Old Jedi Order was in "screening" new recruits basically along with their own extensive corruption. I don't think everything with the concept of force sensitivity has to be so mystical. It doesn't have to be mired strictly in sentimentality. It's okay if anyone disagrees with me. Don't get me wrong. I'm someone who prefers the OT in comparison to the prequels, but the prequels still even though not done consistently well bridge the gaps between the entire saga's central focus. I thought much of the sequels were retconning the original movies literally frame-by-frame without saying too much.
It’s almost as if a grown man had to find an easy way to explain something way beyond a child’s understanding to a child? Hmm…. I really don’t get the confusion from some people, it’s pretty blatant what the use for midi-chlorians are.
I never saw the problem with the midichlorians and the hatred towards the prequels, and i grew up with the original trilogy. To me it wasn't such a nonsensical thing because I've always been an esoteric person that always saw the connection between the esoteric and science, there is no divide between the two, there is only lack of understanding of the universal laws, and a lot of malicious intent to keep most people ignorant of those laws. The sequels on the other hand are trash, their creators are full of bad intentions and identity politics, that's why they are so bad, they are an aberration of twisted minds, which is prevalent in modern society.
Yep, we've been working on two larger videos for a while now and this was the first one. The frequency should increase now since the next few projects aren't as large.
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I felt like there was a slight missed opportunity to talk about the relationship between midichlorians and mitochrondia. The genetic differences between mitochondria and their host cells was being discovered as genetics blossomed as a science, around the time Lucas was working on the original trilogy, and likely informed the inclusion of midichlorians in the prequels. Are they actually the same thing, and the Jedi of the Star Wars galaxy simply gave mitochondria a different name? There's a lot of evidence to support this.... Great video though, loving your content!
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Basically for fan of James Cameron avatar : The force = Pandora The cosmic force = Eywa The living force= Pandora creature Midichlorian = the queue of Na'vu who relie navi with Eywa
Kind of yeah. But I'd say it's more limited in Avatar as Eywa seems limited to just the planet, whereas the force is a cosmic phenomenon. But they are similar in the sense that they are a network of energy that connects all living things.
Midichlorians give people the ability to detect the Force, just like ears allow us to detect sounds. Midichlorians don’t create the Force any more than ears create sound waves. If someone hates the concept of Midichlorians, that’s fine, but at least hate it for what it is. Don’t create a straw man argument that has nothing to do with the concept as presented onscreen.
Obviously inspired by the Body Thetans from Scientology. I'm not sure what Lucas's motivation was. He's either mocking Scientology (since Midichlorians are good instead of bad) or else he's trying to mainstream one of the central ideas of that religion.
Personally I think force healing is a lot less stupid and more believable than midichlorians I actually could buy the idea of midichorians more than I could with force healing
It still seems unnecessary to me, and I feel like the explanations that followed were just an attempt to fix a broken plot mechanism. Lucas just wanted to be able to do a blood test for the force, and came up with this. It reminds me of C-3PO’s costume malfunction later being explained away as him being unfinished and built from scraps.
While I think this video was really good. But, I think you should've kept stuff from The Last Jedi or the sequels out of the video. While I may not like TCW, but the inclusion of that scene does help in the defense of Midichlorians.
My problem with the Midichlorians is that it take a spiritual element that's part of the working of the universe even beyond organic life and turn it into a "you have it or you don't" (or cement it further depending how you interpret some dialogue in the OT) on top of being used as a power level. Gone is the idea that one may become powerful through deep meditation and strength and understanding of their beliefs with their powers wavering along their faiths. Sidious is powerful because he has a high T count, not because of his knowledge and belief in his goals and ideology. That's how stupid it sound to add that kind of explanation to magic. It's just all predetermined. And wasn't needed to say "everyone exist on a spectrum" or make a point about symbiosis, you could have shown that by people manifesting wildly different abilities or even be hindered by detrimental mindset, like say, Han Solo being too materialistic or dozens of other ways by showing instead of telling. It's ultimately an element that not only add nothing of value but actively take away potential. (and that, by the way, was the point of Anders' quote you used. It wasn't about the contradiction itself, but over-explaining powers in a way that add nothing with technobabble).
There’s something Star Wars does not directly teach you about the Force, something abhorrent and disgusting to anyone who believes in free will. It is why Luke went into exile in canon. Once upon a time there was a former Jedi master and former Sith Lord who hated the Force, and wanted to destroy it. To her, the existence of the Force and its galactic manipulations to restore balance were abhorrent and contradicted the idea of free will when all everyone does is rendered meaningless when a living energy only creates equilibrium in the end. She discovered that life could exist without the Force through an Exiled Jedi, a Jedi who as a dead spot in the Force, one who could freely act while blind to the Force’s attempts to control her, she could use the Dark Side without falling to its corruption, she could use the Light without the Force imposing its will on her. In this Jedi, she saw proof that the Force could be destroyed, and more importantly, free everyone. But the same Jedi that was dead to the Force stopped her. The resulting echo of everyone being suddenly deafened to the Force would have killed almost everyone. And to a Jedi, that was abhorrent. How ironic that the only and last person to have free will in the galaxy stole the same freedom she was given? The only meaningful act in Star Wars is to destroy the Force, or at least free everyone from its manipulations. Otherwise all our heroes will just be pawns in a massive game of chess that has no end. Luke Skywalker is just one of many before him and there will be many others like after he is gone. There can be no meaningful thing in Star Wars when everything is balanced in the end.
What you are talking about not only sounds like insane gibberish but is actually insane. Take it from someone who went to great length to try to decipher it. Your desire to exist without the force, is like saying you want to exist without oxygen. You can't. And oxygen isn't evil because of this fact. Let me explain. You see, George Lucas based Star Wars in part on Taoist teachings about Chi, an invisible force, most likely EM (electromagnetic) energy that can be harnessed, used and directed by human consciousness. Now, viewing our own existence as being enslaved by this EM energy, binding and surrounding us is very concerning and ridiculous. Yes, it certainly surrounds us and exists inside us, and yes, we can manipulate it and use it in powerful ways, but it doesn't mean that we are mindless pawns in the game of light and darkness. Our agency is the very point of our existence. We can control the force, just as spiritual masters in reality can control EM energy, while being subjects of fate. Free will is an illusion. The sooner you learn this is a fact in reality just as in Star Wars, the sooner you can start your journey of enlightenment...
@@markdobos97 a philosophical viewpoint I fundamnetally disagree with. Free will vs. Determinism is not a settled argument so don't claim to me that it is an illusion because it comes down to what your definition of free will is. In fact we have an example of the Force directly manipulating someone's interpretation of sound in Mira in Kotor 2. Hanharr the Wookie was about to die, and he begged her to kill him. Despite knowing what it would mean to a wookie and to him if she saved him, she did it anyway in a seemingly out of character decision that was cruel. She talks about this moment in the Ebon Hawke where she claims that she heard him say "save me" instead of "kill me." At least she *thinks* he said *save me* and when you tall about this to Hanharr if he is the companion, he tells you that he wanted to die and asked Mira to do so. The Exile is a character that exists without the Force, she is proof it can be defeated, destroyed even, and that life exists outside the Force. Through natural or unnatural means, the connection between life and the Force can be severed completely without destroying life.
@Antonio-Gransci the Exile is a game character within star wars: knights of the old republic 2, that serves as a criticism to Lucas' and the Force, its not made to insult him, but a respectful counterargument within the universe itself. The argument comes in the form of the Protagonist, your player character, creating an individual that mimics the will and power of the Force. Your companions are a reflection of how certain archetypes of people relate to the Force. This is no incoherent rambling, it's a different perspective on the Force which falls within the rules established. The Force is an entity that brings balance to the world through hidden works. You can take George's view and say that it is a Force of objective good. But an equally valid position to take is that it kills millions and allows billions to suffer in its mission to bring balance in its own arbitrary and unknown view.
@Antonio-Gransci only you consider it non-canon, a vast majority of star wars fans consider kotor Canon because of its importance yo the narrative of the universe: entire discord servers and videos are dedicated to its praise as one of the most well written and fleshed out stories in gaming history for its deep philosophical subjects as well as masterfully written characters and story. I can direct you to quite a few of them. By the way, Lucas never considered any of the expanded universe to be canon. He just let writers get away with their creative freedom and didn't direct them, but he has spoken out how he actually strongly dislikes the direction writer's took star wars history and future before and after the OT. I think, even if Lucas hated kotor, he would appreciate its content and arguments. He is a philosophical person after all. Also, no You're making conclusions about me by looking at me through a biased lens and being mean. I've done nothing to you and you're just being a dick.
@Antonio-Gransci it was Canon with the rest of the Expanded universe until 2014 when Disney rebranded it as legends. Nothing in legends is Canon, but it's not like being Canon or not is what gives the game its validity. The validity of the content of kotor 2 comes from addressing the preestablished rules set by George Lucas himself. That's not a Canon issue, it's a philosophical one. A Force that strives for balance through subtle and small influences here and there can be seen as manipulation. Having the entire galaxy fight in a war with both sides controlled by the sith, and having the galaxy ruled by sith oppression for 20 years for Luke to finally destroy the Sith and balance is achieved can he seen as the machinations of a malicious entity. Just as Obi-Wan said, in Canon, "What I told you was true...from a certain point of view." And it is certainly a valid point of view to believe the Force is a malicious entity. Midichlorians communicate the will of the Force to those who connect to it through them (this can be seen as the whispers of a Demon tempting you to take action) and the Force itself manipulates the outcomes of events and influences probability to ensure balance is achieved (How else would the Empire be beaten by Tribal Teddy bears and how else would photon torpedoes reach the centre of the Death Star against the forces or heat and exhaust that should have blown it off course, why would Han suddenly change his mind and come to save Luke at just the right time?) From a certain point of view, from the rules established by Lucas himself, it can be argued that the Force is an amoral, malicious, and manipulative entity that actively subverts free will and choice for the sake of balance. The nature of this perspective stems from a simarly atheistic question in regards to the existence of God. "Even if God exists, why should we follow him instead of resisting?" Kotor 2 exists as a criticism of Lucas' philosophy, "Even if the Force strives for balance, why should I care about balance?" So even outside of Canon, its still a valid question.
Heroin doesn't make you have spiritual powers. It just makes you have no pain. Midichlorians are more like methamphetamine. Now that makes you have inhuman powers...
But taking your WiFi chip example, midiclorians are a part of all living things, so for your example to be valid all devices would have to have a WiFi chip.
Good point that I probably could have clarified a bit better. Especially since I described it as a spectrum beforehand. In reality everyone has them, but the amount seems to have something to do with it. But then again there's comocs that talk about it as being a door thats more open for others and closed for some but it's there. I'd say its very much in interpretation.
I don’t think most people thought the midichlorians were the force: I think most people wanted to believe that Force sensitivity was not solely biologically or genetically determined. I personally have issues with how the poor the science of midichlorians is, and that the explanation also smacks of eugenics, which I despise. Consider: According to biology, mitochondria in cells break down fatty acids and carbohydrates to provide energy. Lucas insisted that midichlorians were a parallel, but they would have to do the opposite in order to create some “access” to the Force…which is also not explained well enough to justify the existence of midichlorians communicating with it. The whole thing is a mess, IMO.
@Antonio-Gransci I think you just proved my point that there is a eugenic component: Anakin was engineered to be Force-sensitive, and his children inherited it. Rey being a Palpatine reinforced this.
I think you need to look into a mirror and repeat your comment to yourself. You literally said nothing but "I don't like what you're saying." At least I provided something connected to my opinion.
I think you missed the point. I don't think people had an issue with midichlorians being the reason beings are in touch with the force in the star wars universe. the issue is the 'midicholrian count' is the reason you are strong or weak in force use (or unable to detect it all). anakins is off the chart (apparently). this means that training and self reflection is not the reason you are a strong jedi (or sith), you are literally born that way, it's luck, which kind of makes a mockery of the ethos of the jedi. the jedi religious style order is just a sham. when they deride people for not feeling or knowing of the force, they are actually being pompous elitists, like the child of rich parents trying to lecture poor people on 'what's important'. it seems to me it was a quick way to explain why anakins was 'the choosen one', but unfortunately makes the whole jedi order unlikeable.
You still have to train a lot to learn to communicate with midichlorians and some people can be stronger than those with a higher midichlorian count also on your point of it’s just luck, how was getting force powers not luck before it was just kinda like hey I’m random person who can feel magic. Also on your point on the flaws of the Jedi that was the whole point George Lucas actually tried to give a reason as to why the Jedi would be defeated more than just the sith were stronger he actually tried to show the flaws in their thought process and why their self righteousness slowly degraded them you don’t have to like the prequels but I don’t necessarily think your points here are valid.
Not really. You can born gifted and talented with a lot of potential but still have to train your skills to be even better, no different from an artist, musician, or singer etc. You can be born talented and still train to reach newer heights.
@@Gadget-Walkmen Going to stop you right there. No one is born talented. They may have gifts such as an amazing voice, good eyes and an excellent description of sound, but you can't just start off talented at art or music. The only thing that really stands out is speed of progression. It varies between people. I actually know someone who put their kid through intense piano lessons since they were 4 years old. By age 7 people thought she was born gifted and talented. Everyone held to this belief that she must have just came out of the womb that way. I don't think anyone bothered to correct their thinking.. nor do I think anyone cared to. It's seems to be a clever way for people to dismiss hard effort and skills by saying they were born great. Does that seem like a healthy way to think?
I've been wanting to get this video out for a long time and I'm so happy people are finally going to get to see it. I know the time between this video and the last one was pretty large, but hopefully, we won't have that issue going forward. Kyle and I started working on some pretty large videos and with everything going on, it was hard to get time to properly get them done. This was one of them, and the other one is really close to being completed. My next video will be a lot shorter and about an anime that I really enjoyed watching recently. Look forward to hearing your thoughts on this and what's next, thank you for all of the support.
- Josh
I recently had an argument with one of my friends about the midichlorians and I had to Show him your video and he still thinks it’s an unnecessary peace of law and that made me kind of annoyed and disappointed because your video on this is amazing and I really wanted to put my whole argument to rest.
It's like a blood exam, it's not just genetics, it's simply a parameter used to determine a condition.
I used to be indifferent to the concept of midichlorians. I didn't hate them or like them, it was whatever. However, the Darth Plagueis novel swayed me and made me think they are actually pretty interesting and cool. Plagueis conveyed them as something genetic obviously but there was also a shroud of mysticism to them and even sentience to the midichlorians, I'm telling you the Plagueis novel might just change your mind.
I like midicholrians because it explains how some people are force sensitive and how some are more powerful than others. It creates a metric of how someone is so powerful with the force.
The more time passes between me finding out about it, the more interesting I find George Lucas's original plan of exploring symbiosis and coexistence in the sequels. It doesn't quite gel with what people think Star Wars "should" be about thought so maybe that's why they bounced off midichlorians so hard.
4:27 "Everyone exists on a spectrum". So true, I don't understand why people are so riled up about midichlorians explaining it in that way.
As someone who’s out of the loop when it comes to Star Wars, that title is funny lol
This ,this is the exact thing I've been sayin since 1999 thank you for this validation of my own thoughts on the matter and MTFBWY ALWAYS
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Midichlorians always seemed pretty logical to me. Without them, everyone could be a Jedi or a Sith.
People are too dumb to understand midichlorians
It is a genius idea
EXACTLY! :0
I was expecting a bad video cause that what mostly pops up when a video is promoted but, the video is well made, and now I have some useless piece of information which most likely will replace something important thanks.
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I've read on Quora that Midichlorians give a scientific explanation to something magical, which ruins the story, and this is simply not the case, because the midi-chlorians themselves have to have magical abilities in order to communicate with the force.
I hate that people reduce it to "science vs. magic" argument, but if we want to get that reductionist, then Palpatine shooting lightning from his fingertips is scientific because it requires a biophysiological process by which a phalange'd bibrachial organism must extend its brachion and delicately position its phalanges such that it channels and emits an electrical charge.
I'll defend the inclusion of what the whole concepts around midichlorians are to the grave. I don't mean that in chest beating ways, but still remaining truly based to what my prerogatives are in my case. I'm an INTJ-to-INFJ on the MBTI so, I'm going to stubbornly tell my truth while trying not to be insensitive either, lol. Trying to tread a tightrope line's slippery slope, you know? I appreciate George demystifying a lot of the vagueness with the force and distilling it to being more tangible and it also shows both how and why the Jedi would reassess sensitives for the initiation of their overall training along with how the Old Jedi Order was morally elitist and only wanted the best which of course was their self-fulling downfall propelled by misunderstandings of Anakin and such. They missed the boat on what Qui-Gon deemed as, "The Living Force" which it wasn't just a job for him, but a way of life furthering the sentiment in the words of Yoda, "A Jedi must have the deepest commitment." George meant lots of those events to parallel actual historical takeovers of corrupt governments and things. And keeping very much in step with scientific findings people that're usually more spiritual or at least think they're visceral tend to have literally more concentrations of water in their bloodstream and how could that not be the closet representation of that in reality? I'm essentially an atheist myself (Sometimes, I want the faith based on security and my own existential questioning), but as more of a rational person I'd like a base ten metric system of scoring certain power levels in order to fully understand those mysteries if they were indeed real. It's logically consistent there'd be six densities of force sensitivity for said users.
I actually read through your entire comment and still don't know what you wanted to express.
@@markdobos97 If I didn't articulate in ways that went over with other people, then I'm sorry. What I was saying to put it simply more or less is that while many of both the changes and reinventions even that George added to Star Wars' lore may've not been the best in terms of a compelling narrative for what's considered to be great storytelling in the context of working visual mediums especially in light of the original trilogy, but the midichlorian idea makes sense and is something I resonate with ultimately. Explains a lot in terms of how selective the Old Jedi Order was in "screening" new recruits basically along with their own extensive corruption. I don't think everything with the concept of force sensitivity has to be so mystical. It doesn't have to be mired strictly in sentimentality. It's okay if anyone disagrees with me. Don't get me wrong. I'm someone who prefers the OT in comparison to the prequels, but the prequels still even though not done consistently well bridge the gaps between the entire saga's central focus. I thought much of the sequels were retconning the original movies literally frame-by-frame without saying too much.
I can't believe I was wrong.
It’s almost as if a grown man had to find an easy way to explain something way beyond a child’s understanding to a child? Hmm…. I really don’t get the confusion from some people, it’s pretty blatant what the use for midi-chlorians are.
People are too dumb to understand midichlorians
It is a genius idea
Great video, very informative about this aspect of the franchise.
Honsetly midiclorans are acutally great and The Phantom Mneace Revenge of the Sith, Return or the Jedi A New Hope are my favorite Star Wars Movies
I wonder what type of person disliked the video? Hmmm 🤔? Someone that’s not able to except that their stubborn head cannon is false.
I never saw the problem with the midichlorians and the hatred towards the prequels, and i grew up with the original trilogy. To me it wasn't such a nonsensical thing because I've always been an esoteric person that always saw the connection between the esoteric and science, there is no divide between the two, there is only lack of understanding of the universal laws, and a lot of malicious intent to keep most people ignorant of those laws.
The sequels on the other hand are trash, their creators are full of bad intentions and identity politics, that's why they are so bad, they are an aberration of twisted minds, which is prevalent in modern society.
"an aberration of twisted minds"
bro chill, the sequels are just badly written, star wars has always been political
Interesting video
But more importantly, YOUR BACK! Great!
Yep, we've been working on two larger videos for a while now and this was the first one. The frequency should increase now since the next few projects aren't as large.
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I didn't expect to hear Alan Watts talking in this video...
I think Mr Watts has appeared in at least two of my videos, I'm a big fan.
I felt like there was a slight missed opportunity to talk about the relationship between midichlorians and mitochrondia. The genetic differences between mitochondria and their host cells was being discovered as genetics blossomed as a science, around the time Lucas was working on the original trilogy, and likely informed the inclusion of midichlorians in the prequels. Are they actually the same thing, and the Jedi of the Star Wars galaxy simply gave mitochondria a different name? There's a lot of evidence to support this....
Great video though, loving your content!
4:26 Only If JJ Abrams The HardCore StarWars Fan Knew About.
I actually think he probably does. I have this feeling they actively try to avoid the subject because it's so mocked.
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Basically for fan of James Cameron avatar :
The force = Pandora
The cosmic force = Eywa
The living force= Pandora creature
Midichlorian = the queue of Na'vu who relie navi with Eywa
Kind of yeah. But I'd say it's more limited in Avatar as Eywa seems limited to just the planet, whereas the force is a cosmic phenomenon. But they are similar in the sense that they are a network of energy that connects all living things.
Wow, this video is so good on so many levels. I came here for Star Wars dontent and got so much more
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it
Always liked Midichlorians since I was 11 in 1999.
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Midichlorians give people the ability to detect the Force, just like ears allow us to detect sounds. Midichlorians don’t create the Force any more than ears create sound waves.
If someone hates the concept of Midichlorians, that’s fine, but at least hate it for what it is. Don’t create a straw man argument that has nothing to do with the concept as presented onscreen.
I hate them a little less now 😅
Mission accomplished
Rey perfectly describes it actually in that scene from the Last Jedi.
Totally, I think even in the making of documentary Rian described it as a "force explanation 101" or something like that
@@MediaIsMythic The way Rey explained it in reality it would mean you would have to be at peace with creation including yourself.
Whut.
Midichlorians have always just been Level Caps to me. Not everyone can be a Jedi and not every Jedi can be as strong as Yoda or Anakin naturally.
This is a good video for Ray and Kylo relationship, it explains it a lot.
Midichlorians probably could explain how Rey is so powerfully
Obviously inspired by the Body Thetans from Scientology. I'm not sure what Lucas's motivation was. He's either mocking Scientology (since Midichlorians are good instead of bad) or else he's trying to mainstream one of the central ideas of that religion.
Personally I think force healing is a lot less stupid and more believable than midichlorians I actually could buy the idea of midichorians more than I could with force healing
It still seems unnecessary to me, and I feel like the explanations that followed were just an attempt to fix a broken plot mechanism. Lucas just wanted to be able to do a blood test for the force, and came up with this. It reminds me of C-3PO’s costume malfunction later being explained away as him being unfinished and built from scraps.
exactly. it just fucks the mythology up lmao, we didnt need ANY type of explanation
Midichlorians = Heroin
- Auralnauts
You have no idea how right you are...
While I think this video was really good. But, I think you should've kept stuff from The Last Jedi or the sequels out of the video. While I may not like TCW, but the inclusion of that scene does help in the defense of Midichlorians.
I ve waited for this video
My problem with the Midichlorians is that it take a spiritual element that's part of the working of the universe even beyond organic life and turn it into a "you have it or you don't" (or cement it further depending how you interpret some dialogue in the OT) on top of being used as a power level. Gone is the idea that one may become powerful through deep meditation and strength and understanding of their beliefs with their powers wavering along their faiths.
Sidious is powerful because he has a high T count, not because of his knowledge and belief in his goals and ideology. That's how stupid it sound to add that kind of explanation to magic.
It's just all predetermined. And wasn't needed to say "everyone exist on a spectrum" or make a point about symbiosis, you could have shown that by people manifesting wildly different abilities or even be hindered by detrimental mindset, like say, Han Solo being too materialistic or dozens of other ways by showing instead of telling.
It's ultimately an element that not only add nothing of value but actively take away potential. (and that, by the way, was the point of Anders' quote you used. It wasn't about the contradiction itself, but over-explaining powers in a way that add nothing with technobabble).
There’s something Star Wars does not directly teach you about the Force, something abhorrent and disgusting to anyone who believes in free will. It is why Luke went into exile in canon.
Once upon a time there was a former Jedi master and former Sith Lord who hated the Force, and wanted to destroy it. To her, the existence of the Force and its galactic manipulations to restore balance were abhorrent and contradicted the idea of free will when all everyone does is rendered meaningless when a living energy only creates equilibrium in the end. She discovered that life could exist without the Force through an Exiled Jedi, a Jedi who as a dead spot in the Force, one who could freely act while blind to the Force’s attempts to control her, she could use the Dark Side without falling to its corruption, she could use the Light without the Force imposing its will on her.
In this Jedi, she saw proof that the Force could be destroyed, and more importantly, free everyone. But the same Jedi that was dead to the Force stopped her. The resulting echo of everyone being suddenly deafened to the Force would have killed almost everyone. And to a Jedi, that was abhorrent.
How ironic that the only and last person to have free will in the galaxy stole the same freedom she was given?
The only meaningful act in Star Wars is to destroy the Force, or at least free everyone from its manipulations. Otherwise all our heroes will just be pawns in a massive game of chess that has no end. Luke Skywalker is just one of many before him and there will be many others like after he is gone. There can be no meaningful thing in Star Wars when everything is balanced in the end.
What you are talking about not only sounds like insane gibberish but is actually insane. Take it from someone who went to great length to try to decipher it.
Your desire to exist without the force, is like saying you want to exist without oxygen. You can't. And oxygen isn't evil because of this fact.
Let me explain.
You see, George Lucas based Star Wars in part on Taoist teachings about Chi, an invisible force, most likely EM (electromagnetic) energy that can be harnessed, used and directed by human consciousness.
Now, viewing our own existence as being enslaved by this EM energy, binding and surrounding us is very concerning and ridiculous.
Yes, it certainly surrounds us and exists inside us, and yes, we can manipulate it and use it in powerful ways, but it doesn't mean that we are mindless pawns in the game of light and darkness.
Our agency is the very point of our existence.
We can control the force, just as spiritual masters in reality can control EM energy, while being subjects of fate.
Free will is an illusion.
The sooner you learn this is a fact in reality just as in Star Wars, the sooner you can start your journey of enlightenment...
@@markdobos97 a philosophical viewpoint I fundamnetally disagree with. Free will vs. Determinism is not a settled argument so don't claim to me that it is an illusion because it comes down to what your definition of free will is. In fact we have an example of the Force directly manipulating someone's interpretation of sound in Mira in Kotor 2. Hanharr the Wookie was about to die, and he begged her to kill him. Despite knowing what it would mean to a wookie and to him if she saved him, she did it anyway in a seemingly out of character decision that was cruel.
She talks about this moment in the Ebon Hawke where she claims that she heard him say "save me" instead of "kill me." At least she *thinks* he said *save me* and when you tall about this to Hanharr if he is the companion, he tells you that he wanted to die and asked Mira to do so.
The Exile is a character that exists without the Force, she is proof it can be defeated, destroyed even, and that life exists outside the Force. Through natural or unnatural means, the connection between life and the Force can be severed completely without destroying life.
@Antonio-Gransci the Exile is a game character within star wars: knights of the old republic 2, that serves as a criticism to Lucas' and the Force, its not made to insult him, but a respectful counterargument within the universe itself.
The argument comes in the form of the Protagonist, your player character, creating an individual that mimics the will and power of the Force. Your companions are a reflection of how certain archetypes of people relate to the Force.
This is no incoherent rambling, it's a different perspective on the Force which falls within the rules established.
The Force is an entity that brings balance to the world through hidden works.
You can take George's view and say that it is a Force of objective good.
But an equally valid position to take is that it kills millions and allows billions to suffer in its mission to bring balance in its own arbitrary and unknown view.
@Antonio-Gransci only you consider it non-canon, a vast majority of star wars fans consider kotor Canon because of its importance yo the narrative of the universe: entire discord servers and videos are dedicated to its praise as one of the most well written and fleshed out stories in gaming history for its deep philosophical subjects as well as masterfully written characters and story.
I can direct you to quite a few of them.
By the way, Lucas never considered any of the expanded universe to be canon. He just let writers get away with their creative freedom and didn't direct them, but he has spoken out how he actually strongly dislikes the direction writer's took star wars history and future before and after the OT.
I think, even if Lucas hated kotor, he would appreciate its content and arguments. He is a philosophical person after all.
Also, no
You're making conclusions about me by looking at me through a biased lens and being mean. I've done nothing to you and you're just being a dick.
@Antonio-Gransci it was Canon with the rest of the Expanded universe until 2014 when Disney rebranded it as legends. Nothing in legends is Canon, but it's not like being Canon or not is what gives the game its validity. The validity of the content of kotor 2 comes from addressing the preestablished rules set by George Lucas himself. That's not a Canon issue, it's a philosophical one.
A Force that strives for balance through subtle and small influences here and there can be seen as manipulation. Having the entire galaxy fight in a war with both sides controlled by the sith, and having the galaxy ruled by sith oppression for 20 years for Luke to finally destroy the Sith and balance is achieved can he seen as the machinations of a malicious entity.
Just as Obi-Wan said, in Canon, "What I told you was true...from a certain point of view."
And it is certainly a valid point of view to believe the Force is a malicious entity. Midichlorians communicate the will of the Force to those who connect to it through them (this can be seen as the whispers of a Demon tempting you to take action) and the Force itself manipulates the outcomes of events and influences probability to ensure balance is achieved (How else would the Empire be beaten by Tribal Teddy bears and how else would photon torpedoes reach the centre of the Death Star against the forces or heat and exhaust that should have blown it off course, why would Han suddenly change his mind and come to save Luke at just the right time?)
From a certain point of view, from the rules established by Lucas himself, it can be argued that the Force is an amoral, malicious, and manipulative entity that actively subverts free will and choice for the sake of balance.
The nature of this perspective stems from a simarly atheistic question in regards to the existence of God. "Even if God exists, why should we follow him instead of resisting?" Kotor 2 exists as a criticism of Lucas' philosophy, "Even if the Force strives for balance, why should I care about balance?" So even outside of Canon, its still a valid question.
Medichlorians is heroine.
Heroin doesn't make you have spiritual powers. It just makes you have no pain. Midichlorians are more like methamphetamine. Now that makes you have inhuman powers...
But taking your WiFi chip example, midiclorians are a part of all living things, so for your example to be valid all devices would have to have a WiFi chip.
Good point that I probably could have clarified a bit better. Especially since I described it as a spectrum beforehand. In reality everyone has them, but the amount seems to have something to do with it. But then again there's comocs that talk about it as being a door thats more open for others and closed for some but it's there. I'd say its very much in interpretation.
I don’t think most people thought the midichlorians were the force: I think most people wanted to believe that Force sensitivity was not solely biologically or genetically determined. I personally have issues with how the poor the science of midichlorians is, and that the explanation also smacks of eugenics, which I despise. Consider:
According to biology, mitochondria in cells break down fatty acids and carbohydrates to provide energy. Lucas insisted that midichlorians were a parallel, but they would have to do the opposite in order to create some “access” to the Force…which is also not explained well enough to justify the existence of midichlorians communicating with it.
The whole thing is a mess, IMO.
@Antonio-Gransci I think you just proved my point that there is a eugenic component: Anakin was engineered to be Force-sensitive, and his children inherited it. Rey being a Palpatine reinforced this.
I think you need to look into a mirror and repeat your comment to yourself. You literally said nothing but "I don't like what you're saying." At least I provided something connected to my opinion.
I thought this shit said mitochondria
I think you missed the point. I don't think people had an issue with midichlorians being the reason beings are in touch with the force in the star wars universe. the issue is the 'midicholrian count' is the reason you are strong or weak in force use (or unable to detect it all). anakins is off the chart (apparently). this means that training and self reflection is not the reason you are a strong jedi (or sith), you are literally born that way, it's luck, which kind of makes a mockery of the ethos of the jedi. the jedi religious style order is just a sham. when they deride people for not feeling or knowing of the force, they are actually being pompous elitists, like the child of rich parents trying to lecture poor people on 'what's important'. it seems to me it was a quick way to explain why anakins was 'the choosen one', but unfortunately makes the whole jedi order unlikeable.
You still have to train a lot to learn to communicate with midichlorians and some people can be stronger than those with a higher midichlorian count also on your point of it’s just luck, how was getting force powers not luck before it was just kinda like hey I’m random person who can feel magic. Also on your point on the flaws of the Jedi that was the whole point George Lucas actually tried to give a reason as to why the Jedi would be defeated more than just the sith were stronger he actually tried to show the flaws in their thought process and why their self righteousness slowly degraded them you don’t have to like the prequels but I don’t necessarily think your points here are valid.
Not really. You can born gifted and talented with a lot of potential but still have to train your skills to be even better, no different from an artist, musician, or singer etc.
You can be born talented and still train to reach newer heights.
Midichlorian count is just a suggestion of what you could be, not a measure of what you ARE.
"The Force is strong in my family."
--Luke Skywalker, Return of the Jedi
What exactly did you think that meant?
@@Gadget-Walkmen Going to stop you right there.
No one is born talented. They may have gifts such as an amazing voice, good eyes and an excellent description of sound, but you can't just start off talented at art or music.
The only thing that really stands out is speed of progression. It varies between people.
I actually know someone who put their kid through intense piano lessons since they were 4 years old. By age 7 people thought she was born gifted and talented. Everyone held to this belief that she must have just came out of the womb that way. I don't think anyone bothered to correct their thinking.. nor do I think anyone cared to. It's seems to be a clever way for people to dismiss hard effort and skills by saying they were born great.
Does that seem like a healthy way to think?