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ive watched it twice, I cant find the place in the video where you mentioned “this printer can’t do it” I wished you had just mentioned that in the description.
@@FauxHammer in ur description u wrote that they eventually replied to ur email and sad they will fix everyhting except one thing thats hardware related. What was that one thing? Also u need to re loom at this printer as theyve fixed almost all the issues u had. Manual build plate control. Slow moving plate. Just remove the auto resin thingy. 2 click print function with a preview of sliced file..no more forced cloud things. Much updated UI. Fep film etc etc. Unless youve already done a video..
Keep up the honest reviews, I'm so sick of the "influencers" who are nothing more than shills for hire. You are the only 3d print channel I subscribe to. You are stopping people from making expensive mistakes and providing an invaluable service. THANKYOU
Thanks so much, I will keep it honest always. I get so much sh!t off people when I do a positive review. When I like a printer, I love it!!! And will scream about it as loud as I can. But these are the videos that prove my credibility as a reviewer - but hardly anyone watches a review of a bad printer, because they just don’t sell
Excellent review mate. You've just saved me a fair chunk of change. These are the best kind of reviews. Of there's something that bothers someone, it's probably going to bother me.
Yup. I wish I saw this video before I bought this printer. I had a print fail the other day. Didn’t think much of it, threw the pieces away and decided to come back another day. Turns out the bed tore, resin got underneath and cured and over time resin has just been leaking out. Not very happy. I’ll keep the washing and curing station but I might have to just get rid of it.
I am new to 3D printing. It's been 2 months since I started doing it. I focused my mind and spirit on the art of 3D printing. 3D printing has been occupying all my free time and beyond as I learn and experiment. I'm following nearly 50 TH-cam channels. Thank you for maintaining honesty in your videos. I began with a FlashForge Adventure 3 FDM printer. Nice printer, but it wasn't for me. I moved on to the Elegoo Mars 3 resin printer and tore up on my 3rd print and I returned it. So, I bought the Halot Mage (not the pro version). To me, it outdid the other two printers. But the more I tried to tweak it to get better results, the more I realized how restrictive the printer was. Back to the drawing board. I popped off well over two dozen decent prints with the Halot Mage before returning it for the pro version. Then, I saw your video of the disaster you had. Jumping onto Amazon, I tried to return it, but the printer had already shipped. Deciding to try it since I have 30 days to return it, I opened it up. Thanks to your video, I avoided several pitfalls. First of which was the spout on the pump. If you put the vat in without paying attention to the pump spout, it can be out of place and catch the build plate. Giving it a nudge in with a finger as you put the vat on and rechecking it after installation will ensure you don't break it. The spout needs to be tight against the back of the vat for it to be seated correctly. If the spout moves, you need to reinstall the vat. The video also helped me navigate the Cretan Labyrinth of the on-screen menus. Thanks to you, I loosened the screws prior to bed leveling, and I knew which buttons to push to level the bed. You also helped me out when downloading my files to print. The scrolling screens were dizzying. A tip to help with trying to find the actual print: Remove the flash drive after downloading, and it will be the only one available on the screen (courtesy of The Outer Circle channel on TH-cam). While I don't possess the Creality fast resin, I have the 8k high precision resin. 1.2 second exposure times per layer are resulting in excellent outcomes. At 1.6 seconds per layer, I get better outcomes. A few more things (apologies for the length). The June 19th, 2023, update fixed some issues. None of my prints have locked up, and I can slow the bed down. Go back and give the Halot Mage Pro another try. I think it is turning out to be a great printer for miniatures even with the quirks, like trying to install the vat and the crazy menu navigation. Last thing, you have helped me decide on my next printer. As soon as I save up my pennies, GKTwo here I come. I will be keeping the Halot Mage Pro.
Well done. Glad to see all the quirks of this promising printer. It does look good on paper but all these annoyances add up. Thanks for covering this so thoroughly.
@@FauxHammer haha all good. Have you had any Anycubic machines with fully functional AA? Seems to be a big issue with that company and lots complaining in their communities
This review is more of an example of setting something up without reading the instructions and just assuming your a subject matter expert so you can wing it.
Interesting, the polar opposite of my experience with it, I was printing miniatures for weeks with different brands of resin on mine and had few hardware issues. Either you got the dud, or I got a premium package!
@@FauxHammer I have used 4 creality SLA's so I'm used to their Halot UI, I also have a Saturn S, had an Anycubic Photon Mono X and original Photon, and a Sonic Mega. The UI never froze up on me during use or gave me grief and I printed a lot with the Mage Pro the last few weeks. So maybe I got lucky, or maybe you got unlucky. I do take it for granted that I understand the UI, but I've used so many poorly optimised machines in real workplaces that maybe I am immune to poor UI these days and just accept them? lol Mechanically, your nozzle problems were probably the lesser evil, that tube in the back without a clip and the refill function, as well as no vat-feet didn't make me too happy and were my big negatives.
@@FauxHammer really tempted to get one of these new Saturn machines they have coming out, as my first resin printer. Have elegoo offered you one to review? Seems to me like they have sent out very few review samples of it.
The only thing I got from this video was you assumed the function of the printer didn't review the instructions and got mad it didn't work the way you wanted. I've had no issues with mine....
Well, there is a lot of unintuitive things in this machine and things that can go wrong are quickly adding up for it adds a lot of features but these little features can break it and they are layering up ontop of each other, i am not sure this machine is for everyone, or at least, not amateur for sure, you have to have a maintenance and verification checklist before you do any "move" with it wich makes it, for sure, non casual friendly, despite the brand being usually casual friendly, there is a few casual friendly features on this one but they almost need the minutia of a half engineer to make sure every steps are not breaking critical parts of the printer.
I think the real test of any company is how it deals with something when things go wrong if they take on board your issues and go back and look at them and rectify them, even if it is just a case of you've got a dodgy Printer and send you a different one to test (it happens ) or updating the software to improve the UI and freezing. then its shows that they want to improve and be the top brand to buy. hopefully, you'll find out soon .
It looks like a lot of the bugs are the advanced features being poorly integrated. I have a standard halot mage and it has been great so far. Build plate moves at a standard speed, no auto fill things to worry about, and on my UI I can step the build plate up and down and home it just like any other msla printer I use. Also I think the flipped zero reference is because they have the optical limit switch on the top, unlike the elegoo machines which have it at the bottom. Thus in the code the top is now the zero ref. Also my UI has not been buggy or glitchy, although I have only been using the USB to print. I also seem to have images along with the files and my printer does not copy files over, which I don’t think I would really care for anyway. Just writing this post to say to people looking at the pro, maybe just look at the standard one that doesn’t try to incorporate all these flashy features that all come with new failure points and complexity
Creality are absolutely horrendous to deal with. Had issues with fdm and their new halot printers and it's many many weeks wait for a response before finding out they won't honour warranty anyway.
dont listen to this confused man. i bought the halot mage pro 8k and its perfectly fine. works out of the box, with normal resin. i dont know what he is doing, but if you not like 5 year old, and take a little bit care, you wont destroy anything, i dont know how this can happen. also the filter fits well, and everything is in place. so if you are not a no-hands, this product is perfectly fine! and maybe dont use 5 year old resin, thats broken anyways lol. or the cheap one from aliexpress is propably also not the best choice. this video makes me angry, to think that ppl will not buy this super printer, just because he is disabled.
Thank God you made this video because when I originally saw this on the OC i was sold and about to order it but after watching some of your other videos I could see youre very honest thank you.
Solid work my brother! I will let you know how my new pump works as soon as I test it. I was hopeful to test it today, but I was way busier than I expected.
dont listen to this confused man. i bought the halot mage pro 8k and its perfectly fine. works out of the box, with normal resin. i dont know what he is doing, but if you not like 5 year old, and take a little bit care, you wont destroy anything, i dont know how this can happen. also the filter fits well, and everything is in place. so if you are not a no-hands, this product is perfectly fine! and maybe dont use 5 year old resin, thats broken anyways lol. or the cheap one from aliexpress is propably also not the best choice. this video makes me angry, to think that ppl will not buy this super printer, just because he is disabled.
I don't know about the Mage Pro, but the regular mage levelling paper was included in a pouch with an extra FEP film sheet. So far, 1 month in I have had no issues with the regular Mage. I did find that slicing with Lychee printed 2X faster than with Chitubox.
@@FauxHammer i bought a pro, couldnt find the leveling paper, was in the envelope with the extra fep. Also, for the leveling process if you watch the tutorial they tell you to remove the tray, its not supposed to be there when you level, and the nozzle from the pump will be out of the way
@@SecapIII you may not realise but that video was created after they saw all the issues I've had. Also, they all tell you to use a levelling paper Most of us resin printers have progressed beyond that to skipping the levelling paper and just levelling it with the VAT in, since the point of the paper is to emulate the thickness of the FEP - Just Use the FEP that's already at the bottom of the vat. Regardless of whether the vat is in or out, the Build plate still needs clearance to lift without touching the Nozzle and breaking it. And since this, I'm not the only one to have the issue. Creality just ship replacement modules when it happens...
I got the normal mage printer and after 2 months the UV light has stopped working. Whole screen lights up, but just won't cure. That same resin taken straight from the vat cures fine with a UV torch. So strange, it completed the print before this issue with no problem and after sitting switched off for a few days it's just given up for no reason.
It did not get any updates. And they even released a newer Halot Mage S with many of the same issues If you want it for what it Is and the price is good to you. Go for it. Just don’t try to do things like improve print quality because this is made to be a fast printer at the cost of some quality.
I am on my 2 nd halot mage. Did not get the pro. on the first was one, a screw that mounts the bed bracket too the linear bearing blocks came out and fell in the tray during a print. It didn't break the screen but put a home in the film and resin ran out everywhere. My other issue is on the creality slicing software all the buttons and text is so small I can't read it on a 17in. Laptop. Adding supports is really confusing and I usually just push buttons until I get what I need.
So is the tsmc working yet in lychee? Just got this printer to print miniatures for my kids and can't seem to get my motion settings right in lychee. Doesn't seem to be waiting before an exposure. Touches down and immediately starts exposing. Doesn't seem my settings other than exposure times are doing what's expected... Also can't seem to lower the lift distance. Tried in chitu, lychee and halot box. Very confused user here
Yep, sorry to say those are all the exact limitations I had with it too. Can't reduce lift height, not that i think ity should go below 8mm, but also can't split it into 2 stages of lift and retract speeds wither, i think you can in a slicer, but the printer ignores it. I never tested wait times, but your comment doesn't shock me that they don;t work. I wish I had a solution for you other than recommending you return it. I'm sorry I hated this printer and haven't said many kind words about the newer mage S either.
@@FauxHammer thank you for the honesty. Creality need to up their game or release an update to fix tgese issues. Surely it cant be hard to fix seeing as their motion system is so "advanced". I agree with your views on the ui and add ons. Good ideas with the filter and pump but execution and part quality are lacking. Give us a heater instead. Ended up doing my own filtration with a 60mm fan and exhausting fumes out of the window.
@@noodl3d Yeah you would think these are easy fixes. but here we are over a year after release and a new printer released based on this framework and thy have fixed this in neither printer.
@@FauxHammer you're spitting facts here!!! Wish they would listen. Seems common sense isn't always so common. Just fixing these ui/motion control settings would make this a really great printer and not just a quick prototyper. Even switching it off dynax mode and onto normal mode it completely ignores slicer settings for tsmc and light delay. Makes no sense. Doubt they'll every fix this... Next printer definitely won't be a creality. Getting bag vibes for their k2 as well
Your issue with the exposure might be due to the power of the uv lamp. I’ve noticed on several printers coming out that the uv lamps get more and more powerful. And it’s gotten to a point where they’re just trying to flash cure the resin which doesn’t really work right as I’ve found it needs to “cook” so to speak to get proper adhesion and exposure. I’m working on a device to override uv power values on these proprietary boards that they won’t let us modify.
Nope, it's the speed. Reducing light I density would require longer exposure times and soften the detail of the print, but it would still lift far too fast
@@FauxHammer Yes, the speed of the printer is a function of movement speed and cure time among other things. We might be talking about two different issues here as I also think the shear speed of this printer is an issue as well. I have found that a high intensity light does in fact cure faster, but increases the effect of light bleed and blooming. This effect can be seen in less pigmented resins the easiest. Perhaps its also an effect of the type of light source used and it's linearity. I'm not exactly sure yet. Coming from a lower power creality machine to a more powerful anycubic machine has meant disastrous results for me in regards to light bleed and dimensional accuracy and I see the same sort of effect in other similar printers. The creality machine needed longer cure times and produced a more dimensionally accurate print with less of a glossy "bled" surface and more of a matte finish. The anycubic machine cures in half the time but the prints are not dimensionally accurate and have intense bleed through the rear of the object on thin walls and has a more glossy "bled" surface due to heavy blooming. Perhaps I'm wrong but everything I've tested seems to support my theory. It would be nice if someone bigger than myself with more resources could test with multiple resins including translucent. So far I have added UV blocking pigment to mitigate this effect, and it has improved significantly, but it has not fixed the issue.
That’s crazy. I had none of these issues not a single one. I made sure to prepare the build plate and vat carefully before I leveled and sure it was mental fast but it wasn’t any issue. And my nozzle has never broken I made sure to click it in place when I replace the vat. Also I didn’t have a single failure on that machine I was given the fast resin though. And the details I got were fantastic for the speeds it prints. I printed a whole 1/6th scale spiderwoman standing on a traffic light… in less than 5 hrs. Printed 10 minis in an hour and a half. Yes the ui could be a bit less clunky but I’m an idiot with computery things and I managed to deal with it fairly easily. I think you were a bit harsh on this one to be honest. But my experience was very different, I actually really enjoyed that machine and wish I had more fast resin to use in it as that is what it’s meant for in my opinion. Smash models out stupid fast for those who are impatient.
I agree with you that if I had the fast Resin, this would have been a different experience. I feel like it was harsh, whxoh is why the video is so long, I tried to justify every point
dont listen to this confused man. i bought the halot mage pro 8k and its perfectly fine. works out of the box, with normal resin. i dont know what he is doing, but if you not like 5 year old, and take a little bit care, you wont destroy anything, i dont know how this can happen. also the filter fits well, and everything is in place. so if you are not a no-hands, this product is perfectly fine! and maybe dont use 5 year old resin, thats broken anyways lol. or the cheap one from aliexpress is propably also not the best choice. this video makes me angry, to think that ppl will not buy this super printer, just because he is disabled.
Hey, I just bought one from Amazon because it was at a good price and the delivery to my country (Argentina) was free. I had as viable options this one and the regular Mars 5. The worst issues seem to be due to velocity, has that change with the software updates? Or I should have bought the Mars 5?
You got any feedback on it for negatives, I'm about to get that over the new Mars 4 Max on Friday as it's a little better spec and not that much more cost wise, and there's precious little on TH-cam about it :)
@@FauxHammer Honestly beside my touch screen dying after 3 prints the normal Mage doesn't seem to suffer from any of the speed related issues and the ux is stripped down and surprisingly this makes it so much better. I just slice the files is chitu walk it over to the printer and just choose the file on the usb drive and its off to the races.
@@FauxHammerUpdate now that I've got mine: the test prints came out amazing, but I've just been having so many issues with prints sticking. Like I got a few successful prints at 20 seconds exposure but like it's ridiculous. I wasted at least 1 and a half bottles of phrozen aqua grey 8k resin. I'm going to return it and buy the Saturn 3 ultra if I have any more failures.
@@QEElevators Honestly, print;s not sticking is more likely your prrint settings rather than the printer. even now it's warm I'll print aqua grey 8k at 25+ seconds. For this printer I had to overexpose bbecasue even at it;s slowest it was so fast that it yanks the resin off the plate. So try 30 plus
@@FauxHammer i would trust a company that is willing to accept critics, admit their faults, and make improvements, rather than a company that do a lot of marketing mambo jumbo snd sweep problems under carpet. * I am thinking about getting the non pro version of this printer.
thank you for your honest review. I was looking for a printer and this model was offered to me as a super printer. I started to browse information about it and thanks to your video I saved some money. Maybe in a new version of it or other better model. Cheers from Brazil.
god damn that is a pretty big fucking flaw in the pump i wonder if they would replace them as a known issue or at least provide an STL of a modified nozzle that has a profile outside of the *catch location* it looks like a very simple fix but accessing that part is the major question i would love to look at one of these myself i wonder if simply making a small saw cut to bring it out of the danger range but still direct fluids into the vat that should be enough but this depends largely on the power behind the pump its a shame i see this with a heavy discount on amazon and AM thinking about it as a cheaper alt to the elegoo 8k but for the price of around 20 to 30 bucks in differnce a printer that comes print read is always going to win my wallet than one with poor design
@@FauxHammer None of these UX problems, like pressing this button first, removing this foam first, it sounds like all of these problems should be addressed in the manual
after watching your video and some other posts on FB i was a thinking i ordered the wrong printer. Turn up to me in Australia this week. No damage in transport, UI is same as the Creality Halot one. Did a few test prints with the phrozen XP Finder and did couple of prints with no fails with siraya tech fast. the only problem i had is when the test prints finished it lifted out of the resin fast and put resin all over the lid, other then that im happy with the printer. Im printing 1/87 scale things ive designed for my model railway.
I would like to say. I had ordered the halot mage 8k and couldn’t get it to work. Creality were very helpful in troubleshooting and even sent a return label to send it back. I know I’m in the US so the customer service may be different than in the UK. Honestly though I was very happy with their customer service.
I've a few questions I just bought the same model and is there a way to put a flex tube to the feed and I see what you mean about the small details missing on quick prints but have you tried bigger prints
The Halot One has the same UI problem that you can't clearly see which file is highlighted, but it has a simply solution built in, and that is to change the layout scheme to the colorful one, then the copied file is always in another color
I'm looking at buying either the regular Halot Mage or the Pro. I'm going to guess the regular Halot Mage is better? From what research I did, the Mage and Mage Pro are similar, but differ in a few ways. Which is better in your opinion?
The Mage S is the Mage pro with a higher res screen. they also took out the resin feed pump. That;s it. I can;t see a difference in print quality. but i would want to ask, why... why do you want this? There are so many better, more flexible options... If you wnat it specifically for speed. sure. but it has drawbacks, like the print quality and it can be limited to what resins you use being only more flexible ones.
I watched the whole video and feel bad for all those issues , I was wondering is it the same issues with the Creality Halot Mage regular ? because I own a Creality LD-002H and use the Siraya tech white resin and both are simply great , what I need as a new printer is something with a larger bed size like 230x130x230 like size , I print 1/50 1/48 scale trucks trailers and heavy machinery and I was looking for that Creality Halot Mage or a Phrozen sonic mighty 8 K , thank you for the help if possible reply , regards
Apparently not, but I never used one. The shots I’ve seen of the UI suggest it is different. But I don’t know if this has TSMC which the pro and S don’t.
hi does anybody know if the firmware updates resolves some of mentioned problems ? im stuck on chooosing Eleggo 4 Max or Creality Mage ( im big fan on creality fdm printers still using the cr10s ) Just dont know if Creality is a good company to start resin prints as mentioned in videao the are after all fdm company the specs are tempting
Sad to say that I looked for negative reviews of this printer before purchasing it. TH-cam only threw this video at me after I purchased it. Great, thanks guys.
So they fixed everything but one thing. What's the one thing? I don't understand did I just miss this in the video? It seems in the video creality didn't even respond yet to the list of issues. So whats the one they won't fix?
My M3 Max lowers very slowly and has cracked 2 screens, one of them was due to a little bit of cured resin on corner of build plate....when I say little I mean about 2 layers of flat resin , less about speed and more about how strong the motor is set.
That is disappointing. I was thinking of getting this one as I have a K1 Max and for multiple parts it takes way too long. What reliable printer would you recommend for regular parts? as I'm not looking to print figures like you do.
Are you going to be doing a video on the Anycubic M5s anytime soon? Seems like an interesting printer 12k screen with rectangular pixels and has auto leveling.
Hi Ross, i was watching an anycubic m5s video yesterday and in the comments there was some guy saying if you want the speed go for this Halot printer he is comparing it better to the m5s and saturn 3 but if you cant get it to work easy with your experience its something best left alone just now!
Can you help me with a decision Ross i went to go get the saturn 3 ultra today and told it's coming in around the 25th September and saturn 3 red one is October! The m5s is out now what would you do if in this situation wait for Saturn 3 ultra or is the m5s actually good enough to pick over The saturn 3? I just don't know what to do lol i have 2 smaller anycubics the 4k and mono 2 but when i got my saturn 2 8k the build quality its just unbelievable compared to anycubics and its so smooth the motor's and the weight i love it makes it feel more premium aswell than a light empty box with a bulb! Genuine question though as needing a second larger printer to Replace these smaller anycubics
all my models bacome printed with extraparts, the #% printer prints double or add some materials at the final model, not previously show in the slicer.. by example: i print hat model and the printer add some cubic design at the top
Which chat? Looks like Elegoo is pretty good, i need something that is easy for noobs and doesnt stink too much (i have a vent, so maybe a printer with the ability to put smell through a hose), print quality doesnt have to be the best, i want to print wheels and gears.
I got mine in March and have been waiting for the resin to go on sale. I emailed them and they responded. They said they don't know when the resin will go on sale. So annoying. By the time i get resin and test it out the warranty will probably be expired. My only other printer is a cr10 ver1. Its been great. But the halot mage is wrecking my good opinion of creality...
WTH !!! I'm gonna have to wait a couple more years, before pulling the trigger. I do FDM printing and I don't have situations like these scaring the s%#* out of me. Resin is not something to play with and Mr. FauxHammer I really appreciate your honesty and time and work. Just Subbed.
I am one of the people disappointed in my Halot Mage printer. My touch screen died after 3 prints and it took two weeks of emails just to get to the replacement part start and they now say it will take 15 business days to receive it but have not given me any tracking info.
I too was really disappointed in your review about this printer (not your actual review) as I had planned on getting one of these. Think you have saved me a lot of money. Glad you were honest and I hope Creality do resolve some of the issues. Lots of new printers coming from Elegoo over next few days. Hope you get to review one of the new Saturn 3s. Now here's my two pennies worth. Are we getting to hung up on all this 8k, 12k cr*p. From normal viewing distances can you really see a difference with the naked eye or do you need a macro lens and an UHD screen to see the difference. Basically are people, myself included, just getting caught up in all the hype? As part of my job as a delivery driver for John Lewis we have to set up tvs for customers. Loads of people a year or two back were buying 8k tvs. We were setting them up and they would ask to see 8k content. Then there's a bit of an awkward silence when we had to tell them that there isn't anything broadcast in 8k yet. We then have to go onto TH-cam to find some to demo it.
I think you are dead on, I can’t see much of a difference between a 35um printer and a 22um printer. I can’t see much of an improvement will be made here. But let’s see
Product Designer here, looking to get a 3D Printer & Resin looks like the best finishes for a more intermediate level of printing. Do you have a reccomendation or a video on a 3D printer that has reliable UI/UX? Many thanks & very informative video.
Hey @FauxHammer, I see they said it was damaged in transit. Did they replace the part or the whole machine? I just had the same issue, trying to see what to expect from support. EDIT: Update, Creality got back to me that that night, shipped a new pump. It seems like the issue was my spout was honestly already broken off at the other end. Either that or another piece flew off somewhere... either way I'll be backing the build plate off 1 or 2mm from center to be safe.
I feel like taking 2 minutes to read the manual would have prevented the leveling into foam issue. From an engineering design standpoint I cannot understand how the plate got under the nozzle in the first place. It all sounds like you got a pre production sample and are mad about the kinda things that happen to many pre production machines. When the people testing prototypes are the same team that designed it things go unnoticed. They probably were doing something that prevented the plate from hitting the bed possibly subconsciously. Very few companies ever test outside of a controlled environment and the real world is anything but. I got an ender 3 years ago when they were still considered the new hotness. A month later I start seeing people talk about how one of the connectors sometimes overheats and burns. Enders have come a long way since then. Wouldn’t surprise me if this gets fixed in 4-5 months
I have the Halot One and i didnt have nearly the problems you had although my model is the base model. Maybe it wasnt available when u reviewed but the first thing I did was update the firmware with no problems. I also am able to adjust the z speed, yours obviously could not. Maybe you got a lemon. Still there customer service is very lacking. One feature i love is the cleaning feature witch you didn't show. It cures the bottom layer and lets you peel the failed prints without emptying the fill tray. Still ..good review
I have been doing FDM for a very long time, but have also felt an an itch towards trying resin. Not that I have a particular need to reproduce super heroes, but more usable stuff... I have watched numerous viedoes and so far rejected the topic for stink and other inconviniencies. I guess the various manufacturers have meanwhile recognized the nuissance and they do their best to fix it. The Halot Mage Pro seems like a good candidate, but I need a little more than Creality telling me that this is a good printer. Starting watching this video, I at first thought of just another guy letting off steam. But, I meanwhile believe that Mr. Fauxhammer exposes a whole lot of common sense, and a true practical understanding of the matter. So, not ignoring a current sale, I am going for this printer. I love this video, so very helpful. Fauxhammer, keep it up.
Why in the world do you add resin by pouring it on the back of the built plate and creating a resin Cascade? No wonder your purifier filter got resin all over it.
I was pricing the Halot Mage and was tempted by the Pro, despite it being $200 more expensive where I can buy it. Now with this review of course it's not worth all the trouble just for speed, but the question is, does anyone have experience with the simple Halot Mage? 70mm/hr for the same resolution seems fine to me, plus it doesn't have resin pumping so that nozzle wouldn't be a problem.
I got the non pro version and will say it's miles better than the pro according to your experience. 10 minutes to level (most was realizing the paper that explains leveling is the paper to level) then it was print. None of the issues at all. Just starting minis and trying to figure out a good resin to use
Some of this is unfamiliarity with Creality Printers, other issues are just with the machine. My normal Mage doesn't have these same issues but it's much slower. I've had all Creality machines but think i'm gonna try a Saturn next.
I, unfortunately, got swayed by the speed of printing and the 8K resolution. Two days ago I received the printer I ordered. The detaching resin dispenser filler looks quite frightening and the lack of possibility to reduce the print speed does not sound optimistic. The print speed and print resolution at the promotional price of 2999RMB seemed like an unbeatable product. I received a precision resin with the printer. I haven't tested the printer yet, perhaps my printer will have improved software and a more intuitive interface. I can share my experience with you.
after less than 50hrs of printing with no damage/mishandling/mishaps/leaks, the print screen died. Creality's answer was basically sorry, you've had your printer for more than 90 days, you can source a new one yourself. I can literally buy a new printer for the cost of a replacement screen. I will NEVER buy another Creality product.
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ive watched it twice, I cant find the place in the video where you mentioned “this printer can’t do it” I wished you had just mentioned that in the description.
@@genin69 pardon?
@@FauxHammer in ur description u wrote that they eventually replied to ur email and sad they will fix everyhting except one thing thats hardware related. What was that one thing? Also u need to re loom at this printer as theyve fixed almost all the issues u had. Manual build plate control. Slow moving plate. Just remove the auto resin thingy. 2 click print function with a preview of sliced file..no more forced cloud things. Much updated UI. Fep film etc etc. Unless youve already done a video..
Keep up the honest reviews, I'm so sick of the "influencers" who are nothing more than shills for hire. You are the only 3d print channel I subscribe to. You are stopping people from making expensive mistakes and providing an invaluable service. THANKYOU
Thanks so much, I will keep it honest always. I get so much sh!t off people when I do a positive review. When I like a printer, I love it!!! And will scream about it as loud as I can.
But these are the videos that prove my credibility as a reviewer - but hardly anyone watches a review of a bad printer, because they just don’t sell
Excellent review mate. You've just saved me a fair chunk of change.
These are the best kind of reviews. Of there's something that bothers someone, it's probably going to bother me.
but this dude shills for Elegoo
Yup. I wish I saw this video before I bought this printer. I had a print fail the other day. Didn’t think much of it, threw the pieces away and decided to come back another day. Turns out the bed tore, resin got underneath and cured and over time resin has just been leaking out. Not very happy. I’ll keep the washing and curing station but I might have to just get rid of it.
This printer is not an expensive mistake. It is a great value for money. Something you can conclude from this video'
I am new to 3D printing. It's been 2 months since I started doing it. I focused my mind and spirit on the art of 3D printing. 3D printing has been occupying all my free time and beyond as I learn and experiment. I'm following nearly 50 TH-cam channels. Thank you for maintaining honesty in your videos. I began with a FlashForge Adventure 3 FDM printer. Nice printer, but it wasn't for me. I moved on to the Elegoo Mars 3 resin printer and tore up on my 3rd print and I returned it.
So, I bought the Halot Mage (not the pro version). To me, it outdid the other two printers. But the more I tried to tweak it to get better results, the more I realized how restrictive the printer was. Back to the drawing board. I popped off well over two dozen decent prints with the Halot Mage before returning it for the pro version. Then, I saw your video of the disaster you had. Jumping onto Amazon, I tried to return it, but the printer had already shipped.
Deciding to try it since I have 30 days to return it, I opened it up. Thanks to your video, I avoided several pitfalls. First of which was the spout on the pump. If you put the vat in without paying attention to the pump spout, it can be out of place and catch the build plate. Giving it a nudge in with a finger as you put the vat on and rechecking it after installation will ensure you don't break it. The spout needs to be tight against the back of the vat for it to be seated correctly. If the spout moves, you need to reinstall the vat.
The video also helped me navigate the Cretan Labyrinth of the on-screen menus. Thanks to you, I loosened the screws prior to bed leveling, and I knew which buttons to push to level the bed.
You also helped me out when downloading my files to print. The scrolling screens were dizzying. A tip to help with trying to find the actual print: Remove the flash drive after downloading, and it will be the only one available on the screen (courtesy of The Outer Circle channel on TH-cam).
While I don't possess the Creality fast resin, I have the 8k high precision resin. 1.2 second exposure times per layer are resulting in excellent outcomes. At 1.6 seconds per layer, I get better outcomes.
A few more things (apologies for the length). The June 19th, 2023, update fixed some issues. None of my prints have locked up, and I can slow the bed down. Go back and give the Halot Mage Pro another try. I think it is turning out to be a great printer for miniatures even with the quirks, like trying to install the vat and the crazy menu navigation.
Last thing, you have helped me decide on my next printer. As soon as I save up my pennies, GKTwo here I come. I will be keeping the Halot Mage Pro.
Well done. Glad to see all the quirks of this promising printer. It does look good on paper but all these annoyances add up. Thanks for covering this so thoroughly.
Thanks, I’m glad you found this informative
Good job mate, I'm dreading your M5S review, you really are one of the few brutally honest reviewer out there.
I’ll be fair, it looks good, I just think it’s the wrong innovations. We’ll see when I get to play with it I guess
@@FauxHammerplease try to test the antialiasing. They keep releasing printers with non working antialiasing and I’m tired of them getting away with it
@@JustTryGambling I always test AA. I should say it more... Ooops
@@FauxHammer haha all good. Have you had any Anycubic machines with fully functional AA? Seems to be a big issue with that company and lots complaining in their communities
This review is more of an example of setting something up without reading the instructions and just assuming your a subject matter expert so you can wing it.
"you're"
Interesting, the polar opposite of my experience with it, I was printing miniatures for weeks with different brands of resin on mine and had few hardware issues. Either you got the dud, or I got a premium package!
You have no issues with the UI? What other printers have you used?
@@FauxHammer I have used 4 creality SLA's so I'm used to their Halot UI, I also have a Saturn S, had an Anycubic Photon Mono X and original Photon, and a Sonic Mega.
The UI never froze up on me during use or gave me grief and I printed a lot with the Mage Pro the last few weeks. So maybe I got lucky, or maybe you got unlucky. I do take it for granted that I understand the UI, but I've used so many poorly optimised machines in real workplaces that maybe I am immune to poor UI these days and just accept them? lol
Mechanically, your nozzle problems were probably the lesser evil, that tube in the back without a clip and the refill function, as well as no vat-feet didn't make me too happy and were my big negatives.
@@TheOuterCircle yup, no real trouble with the machine.
@@FauxHammer When the filling nozzle breaks, it is due to human error or machine design!
@@danielramostrejo5720 Creality admitted it was a design issue.
There should be 0% chance of a component getting caught on the print plate. That is flat-out poor design.
They say it was damaged in transit
@@FauxHammer the design of the printer was damaged in transit? That's a new one!
@@Le_Petit_Lapin yeah, that was my thought too, but in kindness I did not lress the issue, they said they are redesigning
@@FauxHammer really tempted to get one of these new Saturn machines they have coming out, as my first resin printer. Have elegoo offered you one to review? Seems to me like they have sent out very few review samples of it.
@@Le_Petit_Lapin yes but I’m on a later phase than the big guys. So I just ordered them.
wow, barely seen such an honest review and i am so thankful for it! keep up the honest work
Didn’t read the manual eh?
The only thing I got from this video was you assumed the function of the printer didn't review the instructions and got mad it didn't work the way you wanted. I've had no issues with mine....
That's kinda what I'm hearing. Like hey slow it down if it's going to fast.
Well, there is a lot of unintuitive things in this machine and things that can go wrong are quickly adding up for it adds a lot of features but these little features can break it and they are layering up ontop of each other, i am not sure this machine is for everyone, or at least, not amateur for sure, you have to have a maintenance and verification checklist before you do any "move" with it wich makes it, for sure, non casual friendly, despite the brand being usually casual friendly, there is a few casual friendly features on this one but they almost need the minutia of a half engineer to make sure every steps are not breaking critical parts of the printer.
Honest review, amazing print speed, looking forward to see review 2.0
I have the replacement Pump, still waiting on Resin, and they have released a few firmware updates.
I'm feeling lucky, my Halot One works like a dream.
Same, I got it on such a deal with 3L of Resin that it was basically a steal. Working very well.
I think the real test of any company is how it deals with something when things go wrong if they take on board your issues and go back and look at them and rectify them, even if it is just a case of you've got a dodgy Printer and send you a different one to test (it happens ) or updating the software to improve the UI and freezing. then its shows that they want to improve and be the top brand to buy. hopefully, you'll find out soon .
That’s right, and they have said they want to do that. I’ve promised a follow up review when they do
It looks like a lot of the bugs are the advanced features being poorly integrated. I have a standard halot mage and it has been great so far. Build plate moves at a standard speed, no auto fill things to worry about, and on my UI I can step the build plate up and down and home it just like any other msla printer I use. Also I think the flipped zero reference is because they have the optical limit switch on the top, unlike the elegoo machines which have it at the bottom. Thus in the code the top is now the zero ref. Also my UI has not been buggy or glitchy, although I have only been using the USB to print. I also seem to have images along with the files and my printer does not copy files over, which I don’t think I would really care for anyway. Just writing this post to say to people looking at the pro, maybe just look at the standard one that doesn’t try to incorporate all these flashy features that all come with new failure points and complexity
Creality are absolutely horrendous to deal with. Had issues with fdm and their new halot printers and it's many many weeks wait for a response before finding out they won't honour warranty anyway.
Great, real life experience review! Been shopping around for my first resin printer, this helps enormously. Cheers mate!
Happy to help
dont listen to this confused man. i bought the halot mage pro 8k and its perfectly fine. works out of the box, with normal resin. i dont know what he is doing, but if you not like 5 year old, and take a little bit care, you wont destroy anything, i dont know how this can happen. also the filter fits well, and everything is in place. so if you are not a no-hands, this product is perfectly fine! and maybe dont use 5 year old resin, thats broken anyways lol. or the cheap one from aliexpress is propably also not the best choice. this video makes me angry, to think that ppl will not buy this super printer, just because he is disabled.
Thank God you made this video because when I originally saw this on the OC i was sold and about to order it but after watching some of your other videos I could see youre very honest thank you.
Happy to be of service
Solid work my brother! I will let you know how my new pump works as soon as I test it. I was hopeful to test it today, but I was way busier than I expected.
Thanks man and thanks for letting me use your footage
I like your reviews, I've seen so many where any criticism has obviously been downplayed. I hope that you'll continue to get review units.
Thanks i hope so too. but I guess I'll see with Creality. I've asked for a K1, lets see what they say.
dont listen to this confused man. i bought the halot mage pro 8k and its perfectly fine. works out of the box, with normal resin. i dont know what he is doing, but if you not like 5 year old, and take a little bit care, you wont destroy anything, i dont know how this can happen. also the filter fits well, and everything is in place. so if you are not a no-hands, this product is perfectly fine! and maybe dont use 5 year old resin, thats broken anyways lol. or the cheap one from aliexpress is propably also not the best choice. this video makes me angry, to think that ppl will not buy this super printer, just because he is disabled.
I don't know about the Mage Pro, but the regular mage levelling paper was included in a pouch with an extra FEP film sheet. So far, 1 month in I have had no issues with the regular Mage. I did find that slicing with Lychee printed 2X faster than with Chitubox.
A lot of people have said this. yeah the normal mage seems great from what I hear
@@FauxHammer i bought a pro, couldnt find the leveling paper, was in the envelope with the extra fep. Also, for the leveling process if you watch the tutorial they tell you to remove the tray, its not supposed to be there when you level, and the nozzle from the pump will be out of the way
@@SecapIII you may not realise but that video was created after they saw all the issues I've had.
Also, they all tell you to use a levelling paper
Most of us resin printers have progressed beyond that to skipping the levelling paper and just levelling it with the VAT in, since the point of the paper is to emulate the thickness of the FEP - Just Use the FEP that's already at the bottom of the vat.
Regardless of whether the vat is in or out, the Build plate still needs clearance to lift without touching the Nozzle and breaking it.
And since this, I'm not the only one to have the issue. Creality just ship replacement modules when it happens...
I got the normal mage printer and after 2 months the UV light has stopped working. Whole screen lights up, but just won't cure. That same resin taken straight from the vat cures fine with a UV torch. So strange, it completed the print before this issue with no problem and after sitting switched off for a few days it's just given up for no reason.
Glad I ran into this review. I was getting ready to buy this printer next month but not now!
Glad I could help!
So how do I keep from breaking the fill/drain nozzle
Prayer 🙏
This printer is on sale now. I am wondering if it got any updates after this video was published??
It did not get any updates. And they even released a newer Halot Mage S with many of the same issues
If you want it for what it Is and the price is good to you. Go for it. Just don’t try to do things like improve print quality because this is made to be a fast printer at the cost of some quality.
How can I restore printing on this machine if the power goes out?
I am on my 2 nd halot mage. Did not get the pro. on the first was one, a screw that mounts the bed bracket too the linear bearing blocks came out and fell in the tray during a print. It didn't break the screen but put a home in the film and resin ran out everywhere. My other issue is on the creality slicing software all the buttons and text is so small I can't read it on a 17in. Laptop. Adding supports is really confusing and I usually just push buttons until I get what I need.
ouch! sounds like not the best time with that one either then!
Ok, maybe this is a WELL KNOWN thing but why do you pour the resin over the build plate?
Only well known to viewers of other videos.
Because it’s more cinematic, that’s it
@@FauxHammer oh OK. I thought maybe there was a technical reason. 👍
@@Desmo904 nope, it’s my salt bae move
Wow, this was one I almost bought! Looks so good on paper. Looking forward to see if those firmware updates fix any of the issues.
I know jack about resin printers but they sent me one to review. Looking forward to this video as I haven’t seen much about them yet.
Thank, I hope you find it helpful
So is the tsmc working yet in lychee? Just got this printer to print miniatures for my kids and can't seem to get my motion settings right in lychee. Doesn't seem to be waiting before an exposure. Touches down and immediately starts exposing. Doesn't seem my settings other than exposure times are doing what's expected... Also can't seem to lower the lift distance. Tried in chitu, lychee and halot box. Very confused user here
Yep, sorry to say those are all the exact limitations I had with it too. Can't reduce lift height, not that i think ity should go below 8mm, but also can't split it into 2 stages of lift and retract speeds wither, i think you can in a slicer, but the printer ignores it.
I never tested wait times, but your comment doesn't shock me that they don;t work.
I wish I had a solution for you other than recommending you return it. I'm sorry I hated this printer and haven't said many kind words about the newer mage S either.
@@FauxHammer thank you for the honesty. Creality need to up their game or release an update to fix tgese issues. Surely it cant be hard to fix seeing as their motion system is so "advanced". I agree with your views on the ui and add ons. Good ideas with the filter and pump but execution and part quality are lacking. Give us a heater instead. Ended up doing my own filtration with a 60mm fan and exhausting fumes out of the window.
@@noodl3d Yeah you would think these are easy fixes. but here we are over a year after release and a new printer released based on this framework and thy have fixed this in neither printer.
@@FauxHammer you're spitting facts here!!! Wish they would listen. Seems common sense isn't always so common. Just fixing these ui/motion control settings would make this a really great printer and not just a quick prototyper. Even switching it off dynax mode and onto normal mode it completely ignores slicer settings for tsmc and light delay. Makes no sense. Doubt they'll every fix this... Next printer definitely won't be a creality. Getting bag vibes for their k2 as well
@@noodl3d I know right. This is simple software shit, surely! Though software has never been their strong suit..
Or any suit…
Brilliant video. Honest and clear.
Thanks for posting.
Your issue with the exposure might be due to the power of the uv lamp. I’ve noticed on several printers coming out that the uv lamps get more and more powerful. And it’s gotten to a point where they’re just trying to flash cure the resin which doesn’t really work right as I’ve found it needs to “cook” so to speak to get proper adhesion and exposure. I’m working on a device to override uv power values on these proprietary boards that they won’t let us modify.
Nope, it's the speed. Reducing light I density would require longer exposure times and soften the detail of the print, but it would still lift far too fast
@@FauxHammer Yes, the speed of the printer is a function of movement speed and cure time among other things. We might be talking about two different issues here as I also think the shear speed of this printer is an issue as well. I have found that a high intensity light does in fact cure faster, but increases the effect of light bleed and blooming. This effect can be seen in less pigmented resins the easiest. Perhaps its also an effect of the type of light source used and it's linearity. I'm not exactly sure yet. Coming from a lower power creality machine to a more powerful anycubic machine has meant disastrous results for me in regards to light bleed and dimensional accuracy and I see the same sort of effect in other similar printers. The creality machine needed longer cure times and produced a more dimensionally accurate print with less of a glossy "bled" surface and more of a matte finish. The anycubic machine cures in half the time but the prints are not dimensionally accurate and have intense bleed through the rear of the object on thin walls and has a more glossy "bled" surface due to heavy blooming. Perhaps I'm wrong but everything I've tested seems to support my theory. It would be nice if someone bigger than myself with more resources could test with multiple resins including translucent. So far I have added UV blocking pigment to mitigate this effect, and it has improved significantly, but it has not fixed the issue.
That’s crazy. I had none of these issues not a single one. I made sure to prepare the build plate and vat carefully before I leveled and sure it was mental fast but it wasn’t any issue. And my nozzle has never broken I made sure to click it in place when I replace the vat. Also I didn’t have a single failure on that machine I was given the fast resin though. And the details I got were fantastic for the speeds it prints. I printed a whole 1/6th scale spiderwoman standing on a traffic light… in less than 5 hrs. Printed 10 minis in an hour and a half. Yes the ui could be a bit less clunky but I’m an idiot with computery things and I managed to deal with it fairly easily. I think you were a bit harsh on this one to be honest. But my experience was very different, I actually really enjoyed that machine and wish I had more fast resin to use in it as that is what it’s meant for in my opinion. Smash models out stupid fast for those who are impatient.
I agree with you that if I had the fast Resin, this would have been a different experience. I feel like it was harsh, whxoh is why the video is so long, I tried to justify every point
dont listen to this confused man. i bought the halot mage pro 8k and its perfectly fine. works out of the box, with normal resin. i dont know what he is doing, but if you not like 5 year old, and take a little bit care, you wont destroy anything, i dont know how this can happen. also the filter fits well, and everything is in place. so if you are not a no-hands, this product is perfectly fine! and maybe dont use 5 year old resin, thats broken anyways lol. or the cheap one from aliexpress is propably also not the best choice. this video makes me angry, to think that ppl will not buy this super printer, just because he is disabled.
Hey, I just bought one from Amazon because it was at a good price and the delivery to my country (Argentina) was free. I had as viable options this one and the regular Mars 5. The worst issues seem to be due to velocity, has that change with the software updates? Or I should have bought the Mars 5?
I already have the regular mage and it’s has been amazing (with right exposure settings) I also have the pro on order. Hopefully it’s not that bad…
I've heard good things about the other one, not tested it
You got any feedback on it for negatives, I'm about to get that over the new Mars 4 Max on Friday as it's a little better spec and not that much more cost wise, and there's precious little on TH-cam about it :)
@@FauxHammer Honestly beside my touch screen dying after 3 prints the normal Mage doesn't seem to suffer from any of the speed related issues and the ux is stripped down and surprisingly this makes it so much better. I just slice the files is chitu walk it over to the printer and just choose the file on the usb drive and its off to the races.
@@FauxHammerUpdate now that I've got mine: the test prints came out amazing, but I've just been having so many issues with prints sticking. Like I got a few successful prints at 20 seconds exposure but like it's ridiculous. I wasted at least 1 and a half bottles of phrozen aqua grey 8k resin. I'm going to return it and buy the Saturn 3 ultra if I have any more failures.
@@QEElevators Honestly, print;s not sticking is more likely your prrint settings rather than the printer. even now it's warm I'll print aqua grey 8k at 25+ seconds. For this printer I had to overexpose bbecasue even at it;s slowest it was so fast that it yanks the resin off the plate. So try 30 plus
So what’s crazy is I have the halot mage n the u.I. Looks way different n the build plate doesn’t seem to move that fast so maybe it’s just the pro?
seems so based on other comments too. I never had the basic.
Thanks for the honest review.
Hopefully Creality will keep letting you review their products.
They said they will, I hope that’s true, we’ll see. I’ll buy the next one if they don’t, just to see
@@FauxHammer i would trust a company that is willing to accept critics, admit their faults, and make improvements, rather than a company that do a lot of marketing mambo jumbo snd sweep problems under carpet.
* I am thinking about getting the non pro version of this printer.
thank you for your honest review.
I was looking for a printer and this model was offered to me as a super printer.
I started to browse information about it and thanks to your video I saved some money.
Maybe in a new version of it or other better model.
Cheers from Brazil.
Apparently the normal version is ok. But I haven’t tested it
This was my second printer and I have not had a successful print on it yet. Can’t figure out if it’s the resin, lvling, slicer or me.
god damn that is a pretty big fucking flaw in the pump i wonder if they would replace them as a known issue or at least provide an STL of a modified nozzle that has a profile outside of the *catch location* it looks like a very simple fix but accessing that part is the major question i would love to look at one of these myself i wonder if simply making a small saw cut to bring it out of the danger range but still direct fluids into the vat that should be enough but this depends largely on the power behind the pump its a shame i see this with a heavy discount on amazon and AM thinking about it as a cheaper alt to the elegoo 8k but for the price of around 20 to 30 bucks in differnce a printer that comes print read is always going to win my wallet than one with poor design
But sorry, none of this was mentioned in the manual?
None of what?
@@FauxHammer None of these UX problems, like pressing this button first, removing this foam first, it sounds like all of these problems should be addressed in the manual
after watching your video and some other posts on FB i was a thinking i ordered the wrong printer.
Turn up to me in Australia this week. No damage in transport, UI is same as the Creality Halot one.
Did a few test prints with the phrozen XP Finder and did couple of prints with no fails with siraya tech fast.
the only problem i had is when the test prints finished it lifted out of the resin fast and put resin all over the lid, other then that im happy with the printer.
Im printing 1/87 scale things ive designed for my model railway.
What did you use to do the 1:1 Wolverine bust man? That is awesome. Did you cut it up in LuBan or what?
nope, just printed it on the Neptune 3 Max
@@FauxHammer awesome! That is my next printer then! Lol!
the leveling paper is in with the replacement FEP.
I would like to say. I had ordered the halot mage 8k and couldn’t get it to work. Creality were very helpful in troubleshooting and even sent a return label to send it back. I know I’m in the US so the customer service may be different than in the UK. Honestly though I was very happy with their customer service.
That’s great to hear, I wish I had a similar experience
mine drove right through the screen within 2 weeeks cared not at all for any resistance and the glass just shatterd
Sorry to say this does not shock me.
@@FauxHammer not to mention all the slicing bugs this feels like a printer released about 6months before it was ready
actually given the volume of stuff i print probably better it broke now that a month from now you do any long term testing?@@FauxHammer
I've a few questions I just bought the same model and is there a way to put a flex tube to the feed and I see what you mean about the small details missing on quick prints but have you tried bigger prints
The Halot One has the same UI problem that you can't clearly see which file is highlighted, but it has a simply solution built in, and that is to change the layout scheme to the colorful one, then the copied file is always in another color
I like that you can change the UI in this, just wish they gave us some options and made it sensible first
I'm looking at buying either the regular Halot Mage or the Pro. I'm going to guess the regular Halot Mage is better? From what research I did, the Mage and Mage Pro are similar, but differ in a few ways. Which is better in your opinion?
The Mage S is the Mage pro with a higher res screen. they also took out the resin feed pump. That;s it.
I can;t see a difference in print quality.
but i would want to ask, why... why do you want this? There are so many better, more flexible options... If you wnat it specifically for speed. sure. but it has drawbacks, like the print quality and it can be limited to what resins you use being only more flexible ones.
I watched the whole video and feel bad for all those issues , I was wondering is it the same issues with the Creality Halot Mage regular ? because I own a Creality LD-002H and use the Siraya tech white resin and both are simply great , what I need as a new printer is something with a larger bed size like 230x130x230 like size , I print 1/50 1/48 scale trucks trailers and heavy machinery and I was looking for that Creality Halot Mage or a Phrozen sonic mighty 8 K , thank you for the help if possible reply , regards
Apparently not, but I never used one. The shots I’ve seen of the UI suggest it is different. But I don’t know if this has TSMC which the pro and S don’t.
hi does anybody know if the firmware updates resolves some of mentioned problems ?
im stuck on chooosing Eleggo 4 Max or Creality Mage ( im big fan on creality fdm printers still using the cr10s )
Just dont know if Creality is a good company to start resin prints as mentioned in videao the are after all fdm company
the specs are tempting
Sad to say that I looked for negative reviews of this printer before purchasing it. TH-cam only threw this video at me after I purchased it. Great, thanks guys.
Sorry to hear that
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Great video, unfortunately can't say the same about the 3d printer at the moment :(
The same printer? Are you having a better experience? I’m curious to see other views
So they fixed everything but one thing. What's the one thing? I don't understand did I just miss this in the video? It seems in the video creality didn't even respond yet to the list of issues. So whats the one they won't fix?
My M3 Max lowers very slowly and has cracked 2 screens, one of them was due to a little bit of cured resin on corner of build plate....when I say little I mean about 2 layers of flat resin , less about speed and more about how strong the motor is set.
Most of the issues seem like user error and not reading the user manual/Instructions.
Lol, ok. Enjoy your Halot Mage Pro
That is disappointing. I was thinking of getting this one as I have a K1 Max and for multiple parts it takes way too long.
What reliable printer would you recommend for regular parts? as I'm not looking to print figures like you do.
Yeah Creality are an FDm company, not a Resin company. I have a video on the best printers of 2024, I’d check that out
@@FauxHammer thanks I'll take a look
Were they able to address the issues with the July firmware update?
Are you going to be doing a video on the Anycubic M5s anytime soon? Seems like an interesting printer 12k screen with rectangular pixels and has auto leveling.
He has one already
Yep, it arrived t my home today but I’m in Kos, will start using it next week
Hi Ross, i was watching an anycubic m5s video yesterday and in the comments there was some guy saying if you want the speed go for this Halot printer he is comparing it better to the m5s and saturn 3 but if you cant get it to work easy with your experience its something best left alone just now!
Can you help me with a decision Ross i went to go get the saturn 3 ultra today and told it's coming in around the 25th September and saturn 3 red one is October! The m5s is out now what would you do if in this situation wait for
Saturn 3 ultra or is the m5s actually good enough to pick over
The saturn 3? I just don't know what to do lol i have 2 smaller anycubics the 4k and mono 2 but when i got my saturn 2 8k the build quality its just unbelievable compared to anycubics and its so smooth the motor's and the weight i love it makes it feel more premium aswell than a light empty box with a bulb! Genuine question though as needing a second larger printer to
Replace these smaller anycubics
Wish I watched this before buying it. I hope these issues were resolved. I am setting it up now
And, how did it go?
all my models bacome printed with extraparts, the #% printer prints double or add some materials at the final model, not previously show in the slicer.. by example: i print hat model and the printer add some cubic design at the top
Lmao the “go to zero” got me too 17:00
Apparently Z=0 is not zero… I guess it means go to home? Like where the limit switch trips
Which SLA printer would you recommend if not the Creality 8K?
Anything else. have you seen my "best 3d printers of 2023" video?
@@FauxHammer actually watching right now :D
@@Einheit101 Let me jump in, message me in chat
Which chat? Looks like Elegoo is pretty good, i need something that is easy for noobs and doesnt stink too much (i have a vent, so maybe a printer with the ability to put smell through a hose), print quality doesnt have to be the best, i want to print wheels and gears.
come join us here and talk in the live chat th-cam.com/users/liveddW5zAipdAo?si=TbIrKnVRE6mVIC8K
@@Einheit101
Thank you for this review super helpful! What was the printer you used to print that big wolverine bust?
That was the Neptune 3 max
I got mine in March and have been waiting for the resin to go on sale. I emailed them and they responded. They said they don't know when the resin will go on sale. So annoying. By the time i get resin and test it out the warranty will probably be expired. My only other printer is a cr10 ver1. Its been great. But the halot mage is wrecking my good opinion of creality...
I bought anycubic m3 premium this week. Do you think is the right choice or elegoo, phrozen is a better choice?
M3 premium is the best built 10” 4k Springer, I did a video comlarinvnall 3 you just mentioned
@@FauxHammer hello, which slicer program do u use , and what is the ideal setting anycubic m3 premium or which video is a about that.
THE LEVELING CARD IS IN THE SPARE FEP PACKET, NOT REALLY IDEAL AS YOU HAVE TO OPEN THE PACKET TO GET IT OUT
WTH !!! I'm gonna have to wait a couple more years, before pulling the trigger. I do FDM printing and I don't have situations like these scaring the s%#* out of me. Resin is not something to play with and Mr. FauxHammer I really appreciate your honesty and time and work. Just Subbed.
Thanks so kindly
I am one of the people disappointed in my Halot Mage printer. My touch screen died after 3 prints and it took two weeks of emails just to get to the replacement part start and they now say it will take 15 business days to receive it but have not given me any tracking info.
Any updates here?
I too was really disappointed in your review about this printer (not your actual review) as I had planned on getting one of these. Think you have saved me a lot of money. Glad you were honest and I hope Creality do resolve some of the issues.
Lots of new printers coming from Elegoo over next few days. Hope you get to review one of the new Saturn 3s. Now here's my two pennies worth. Are we getting to hung up on all this 8k, 12k cr*p. From normal viewing distances can you really see a difference with the naked eye or do you need a macro lens and an UHD screen to see the difference. Basically are people, myself included, just getting caught up in all the hype? As part of my job as a delivery driver for John Lewis we have to set up tvs for customers. Loads of people a year or two back were buying 8k tvs. We were setting them up and they would ask to see 8k content. Then there's a bit of an awkward silence when we had to tell them that there isn't anything broadcast in 8k yet. We then have to go onto TH-cam to find some to demo it.
I think you are dead on, I can’t see much of a difference between a 35um printer and a 22um printer.
I can’t see much of an improvement will be made here. But let’s see
were any of these issues resolved? I'm considering buying this printer. Should I get the Halot One instead?
No, not even nearly resolved. Creality are not a resin brand, they are an FDM brand who made some resin printers.
Check out Elegoo
@@FauxHammer Thnx, I think I'll go with ELEGOO Saturn 3 Ultra + Anycubic Wash & Cure Max
The tube spin was on point 😂
tell my wife that, there's still a mark on the ceiling
Product Designer here, looking to get a 3D Printer & Resin looks like the best finishes for a more intermediate level of printing. Do you have a reccomendation or a video on a 3D printer that has reliable UI/UX? Many thanks & very informative video.
Either Uniformation GKTwo, or, Watch my next video on Tuesday!!! 😉😉
Hey @FauxHammer, I see they said it was damaged in transit. Did they replace the part or the whole machine? I just had the same issue, trying to see what to expect from support.
EDIT: Update, Creality got back to me that that night, shipped a new pump. It seems like the issue was my spout was honestly already broken off at the other end. Either that or another piece flew off somewhere... either way I'll be backing the build plate off 1 or 2mm from center to be safe.
I feel like taking 2 minutes to read the manual would have prevented the leveling into foam issue. From an engineering design standpoint I cannot understand how the plate got under the nozzle in the first place. It all sounds like you got a pre production sample and are mad about the kinda things that happen to many pre production machines. When the people testing prototypes are the same team that designed it things go unnoticed. They probably were doing something that prevented the plate from hitting the bed possibly subconsciously. Very few companies ever test outside of a controlled environment and the real world is anything but.
I got an ender 3 years ago when they were still considered the new hotness. A month later I start seeing people talk about how one of the connectors sometimes overheats and burns. Enders have come a long way since then. Wouldn’t surprise me if this gets fixed in 4-5 months
I have the Halot One and i didnt have nearly the problems you had although my model is the base model. Maybe it wasnt available when u reviewed but the first thing I did was update the firmware with no problems. I also am able to adjust the z speed, yours obviously could not. Maybe you got a lemon. Still there customer service is very lacking. One feature i love is the cleaning feature witch you didn't show. It cures the bottom layer and lets you peel the failed prints without emptying the fill tray. Still ..good review
Thanks, I did t show that feature because it’s a standard feature, I didn’t really consider it as standout…
I have been doing FDM for a very long time, but have also felt an an itch towards trying resin. Not that I have a particular need to reproduce super heroes, but more usable stuff... I have watched numerous viedoes and so far rejected the topic for stink and other inconviniencies. I guess the various manufacturers have meanwhile recognized the nuissance and they do their best to fix it. The Halot Mage Pro seems like a good candidate, but I need a little more than Creality telling me that this is a good printer.
Starting watching this video, I at first thought of just another guy letting off steam. But, I meanwhile believe that Mr. Fauxhammer exposes a whole lot of common sense, and a true practical understanding of the matter. So, not ignoring a current sale, I am going for this printer.
I love this video, so very helpful. Fauxhammer, keep it up.
Why in the world do you add resin by pouring it on the back of the built plate and creating a resin Cascade? No wonder your purifier filter got resin all over it.
Lol, yeah. Ok.. that’s the reason it happened and I’m lying to everyone for the sake of it. 👍
thanks for making this video, was going to get but decided not to and find a different printer instead
Was really hoping this was just gonna be "mod this here and here" ah well.. thanks for saving me some money
yeah, sorry. I guess. umm, rip the resin feeder out altogether and hope for the best.
Is the non pro version better.
I was pricing the Halot Mage and was tempted by the Pro, despite it being $200 more expensive where I can buy it. Now with this review of course it's not worth all the trouble just for speed, but the question is, does anyone have experience with the simple Halot Mage? 70mm/hr for the same resolution seems fine to me, plus it doesn't have resin pumping so that nozzle wouldn't be a problem.
14:00 Printing Titanic & hears a loud 'pop'
Wow… too soon man, too soon 😓
I got the non pro version and will say it's miles better than the pro according to your experience. 10 minutes to level (most was realizing the paper that explains leveling is the paper to level) then it was print. None of the issues at all. Just starting minis and trying to figure out a good resin to use
Jeezzzzz, I'm now worried about my Anycubic Pre-order. Maybe I should get the Saturn 2 instead, if this is what the future is to bring.
I’m sure the M5s is fine, it’s not my choice fir innovation, but it will likely be a decent anycubic.
been waiting for this
Hope it was all you hoped for
Some of this is unfamiliarity with Creality Printers, other issues are just with the machine. My normal Mage doesn't have these same issues but it's much slower. I've had all Creality machines but think i'm gonna try a Saturn next.
I, unfortunately, got swayed by the speed of printing and the 8K resolution.
Two days ago I received the printer I ordered.
The detaching resin dispenser filler looks quite frightening and the lack of possibility to reduce the print speed does not sound optimistic.
The print speed and print resolution at the promotional price of 2999RMB seemed like an unbeatable product.
I received a precision resin with the printer.
I haven't tested the printer yet, perhaps my printer will have improved software and a more intuitive interface.
I can share my experience with you.
I would love to heard your feedback
For me , the only issue its the prints stuck in vat. Just changed FEP for NFEP and all good. Really great resin printer.
after less than 50hrs of printing with no damage/mishandling/mishaps/leaks, the print screen died. Creality's answer was basically sorry, you've had your printer for more than 90 days, you can source a new one yourself. I can literally buy a new printer for the cost of a replacement screen. I will NEVER buy another Creality product.
Seen one for sale used with "some" print issues for a good price.
decided to pass on it after searching for the printer and seeing this video😉
So your saying that they cannot slow the motor down with a firmware update? That seems like a HGUE design oversite!
They said they will see what they can do, but there is a hardware limit…
PASS!! Thank you for such a great and honest REAL world use review. Thank You!
Thanks kindly
Should have tested the crush-ability of the screen...
#Coward
Canceled my order adn went with a M5S after seeing the shorts you made and trying (and returning) the non-pro version.
I'll have my m5s review up asap
@@FauxHammer YES PLEASE! :)
I wish I had found this video sooner, just buy one of this...
Is normal halot mage better?