In terms of of challenging this, I asked very politely if I could have a conversation with a supervisor at my local library about them promoting Ibrahm X Kendi’s book ‘Anti-Racist Baby’ and was basically treated like an unexploded bomb. I was ‘I’m not discussing this with you’ four times in a minute, and couldn’t get any kind of further word out. I was given an address to write to, which I will, but it feels like I have to apologise for myself. I should be clear; I’m not against them having the book in the library, but against them promoting it as being especially virtuous. They are lovely people in the library, but I left feeling very shamed. (just a feeling!)
Yeah I’m really disappointed in the current discussion around race .. in the 80s and 90s I thought the goal was to reach a ‘color blind’ world but in the past 5-10 years we’ve went backwards .. very discouraging but I’m struggling to see a way to dial it back at this point..? I’m honestly just completely tired of the race issue period . The trans issue as well
My first career (2005 to 2022) was in education. I can teach reading better than most teachers, and I have hard data to back that claim. I have lived and worked as an educator in Buddhist, Hindu, and Muslim countries. I left my career after moving to Denver and going to work here, where these critical theories are presented as fact, and if you disagree, you are racist/anti-trans, whatever. It's built on logical fallacies, but you cannot use logic in their DEI training.
I just came back to finish listening to this super conversation. I also noted, bemused, at the shift in advertising (it's still a very high ratio black man with a white woman representation, and in my big city, at least, any white man or gathered white people are in a state of :incompetence, addiction or crisis of some sort. I thought it might just be my own myopia, but it just keeps popping up.
This episode coordinates well with the NCRI research coming out on how DEI materials/narratives actually INCREASE racial tensions. See WOKAL DISTANCE & Colin Wright.
This was excellent. It touched on so many things I’ve been thinking about as I’ve grappled with this ideology. It was the term “white privilege” for me as well. Instinctively I smelled poison and grift. It also began a political journey for me that continues to this day.
You're better than most. Always retain an open ear for the voice within and, then, just carry on with an open mind, as you observe the roll out of things like this.
We must make discussions about the media portrayals a priority. Thank you for doing this. It contributes to our inability to criticize minorities, which is obviously not going to work out in the long term.
I wonder where is this all going to end, at what point will it become so toxic that there will be open racial wars in the streets. Because that's where its heading. I am a white mature blonde, and I have been openly discriminated against with behavior and racial slurs, a few times in Toronto Canada, a few times and its very unsettling. And scary. Not long ago Husband and I met a couple in a sport bar while watching important final game, we cheered together with a mixed race couple (asian/black). After the game we asked if they wanted to make friends. As we were new to the area and were looking for other couples to hang out with. We were flat out told to our faces that they will not, can't, ....because we are white ! We were so stunned! And hurt. I mean we just had such a great time, we laughed, we cheered, shared a good time. It was the weirdest, poisonous feeling, I will never forget. It is poison, indeed. And I wonder where and how it will end, and I dont have a good feeling.
Great discussion, spot on. When examining DEI, CRT, etc. there are little to no short term benefits, with the longterm impacts being very negative. Looking at surveys, it is shown that racial relations are perceived as getting worse, so it is not helping. Telling colored minorities that they are inherently victimized by the society and whites/asians/males will only disempower them, create more racists, and sow division.
It's funny you should mention having a tangible sensation of the poison coming in. That's a sign of real intellectuals not completely divorced from honest common sense. Knowing we're right in advance of being able to articulate it. Everyone has this sense and the capacity to be full intellectuals, except our culture is not exactly keen on that.
Your initial hypothetical with the Latina student moved the goalpost on the ethical violation. At first, you said it would be a violation if you failed to mention them at all and let her drop the math class. Then said with no other information, they made you assume they were paramount. No. Whats paramount is that a student gets the best education and not drop math. If you cant drag another reason out, then point out not knowing math is going to be harder for a latina. Which is usually true and not racist to point out inho.
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In terms of of challenging this, I asked very politely if I could have a conversation with a supervisor at my local library about them promoting Ibrahm X Kendi’s book ‘Anti-Racist Baby’ and was basically treated like an unexploded bomb. I was ‘I’m not discussing this with you’ four times in a minute, and couldn’t get any kind of further word out. I was given an address to write to, which I will, but it feels like I have to apologise for myself. I should be clear; I’m not against them having the book in the library, but against them promoting it as being especially virtuous. They are lovely people in the library, but I left feeling very shamed. (just a feeling!)
Yeah I’m really disappointed in the current discussion around race .. in the 80s and 90s I thought the goal was to reach a ‘color blind’ world but in the past 5-10 years we’ve went backwards .. very discouraging but I’m struggling to see a way to dial it back at this point..? I’m honestly just completely tired of the race issue period . The trans issue as well
My first career (2005 to 2022) was in education. I can teach reading better than most teachers, and I have hard data to back that claim. I have lived and worked as an educator in Buddhist, Hindu, and Muslim countries. I left my career after moving to Denver and going to work here, where these critical theories are presented as fact, and if you disagree, you are racist/anti-trans, whatever. It's built on logical fallacies, but you cannot use logic in their DEI training.
Love these conversations ❤
I just came back to finish listening to this super conversation. I also noted, bemused, at the shift in advertising (it's still a very high ratio black man with a white woman representation, and in my big city, at least, any white man or gathered white people are in a state of :incompetence, addiction or crisis of some sort. I thought it might just be my own myopia, but it just keeps popping up.
This episode coordinates well with the NCRI research coming out on how DEI materials/narratives actually INCREASE racial tensions. See WOKAL DISTANCE & Colin Wright.
This was excellent. It touched on so many things I’ve been thinking about as I’ve grappled with this ideology. It was the term “white privilege” for me as well. Instinctively I smelled poison and grift. It also began a political journey for me that continues to this day.
Dr. Hartman described that so well. You feel the poison go in...
You're better than most. Always retain an open ear for the voice within and, then, just carry on with an open mind, as you observe the roll out of things like this.
We must make discussions about the media portrayals a priority. Thank you for doing this. It contributes to our inability to criticize minorities, which is obviously not going to work out in the long term.
I wonder where is this all going to end, at what point will it become so toxic that there will be open racial wars in the streets. Because that's where its heading.
I am a white mature blonde, and I have been openly discriminated against with behavior and racial slurs, a few times in Toronto Canada, a few times and its very unsettling. And scary.
Not long ago
Husband and I met a couple in a sport bar while watching important final game, we cheered together with a mixed race couple (asian/black).
After the game we asked if they wanted to make friends. As we were new to the area and were looking for other couples to hang out with.
We were flat out told to our faces that they will not, can't, ....because we are white !
We were so stunned!
And hurt.
I mean we just had such a great time, we laughed, we cheered, shared a good time.
It was the weirdest, poisonous feeling, I will never forget.
It is poison, indeed.
And I wonder where and how it will end, and I dont have a good feeling.
Psychology has been destroyed by the Left.
Great discussion, spot on.
When examining DEI, CRT, etc. there are little to no short term benefits, with the longterm impacts being very negative.
Looking at surveys, it is shown that racial relations are perceived as getting worse, so it is not helping.
Telling colored minorities that they are inherently victimized by the society and whites/asians/males will only disempower them, create more racists, and sow division.
Telling the truth should be what's important. The past happened. We can't fix it if we arent honest about it
Great conversation
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It’s cowardice. We have to just speak the truth. Just watched the Bonhoeffer film. “When you live in love, you don’t want to lie”
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It's funny you should mention having a tangible sensation of the poison coming in. That's a sign of real intellectuals not completely divorced from honest common sense. Knowing we're right in advance of being able to articulate it. Everyone has this sense and the capacity to be full intellectuals, except our culture is not exactly keen on that.
Your initial hypothetical with the Latina student moved the goalpost on the ethical violation. At first, you said it would be a violation if you failed to mention them at all and let her drop the math class.
Then said with no other information, they made you assume they were paramount.
No. Whats paramount is that a student gets the best education and not drop math.
If you cant drag another reason out, then point out not knowing math is going to be harder for a latina.
Which is usually true and not racist to point out inho.