Is Oil Consumption a Concern on 2023 Chevy Silverado 3.0L Duramax Diesel?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ม.ค. 2023
- Is there an issue with oil consumption for the 2023 Chevy Silverado 3.0L Durmax diesel? This has been a topic brought up many times online and publisher Tim Esterdahl gets to the bottom of this concern.
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If the truck left the factory with a extra quart of oil in it and after 2500 miles your down to under a half on the dip stick, that's a lot of oil used in 2500 miles.
I agree.That engine may have burnt 3 quarts.
I’m glad I read your comment because that’s exactly the same thing I was going to say. I don’t know why he thinks he did not burn much oil because he burned a shit load of oil in 2500 miles. I can’t believe how bad they are building these vehicles if they are burning so much oil. My two V8 tundras do not burn a drop of oil.
He is a GM puppet unfortunately 🤣 .....I lease all my trucks and everyone should too
He did not break it in properly. It should not consume oil especially with only 2600 miles. He if goes 7500-10,000 mile oil change intervals, burn it up.
@@rickdalie leasing is for idiots that don't know how to do simple math. If everyone stopped leasing, prices would drop significantly.
Didn’t think GM made a 2 stroke diesel any longer.
LOL
They don't, this is Wankel territory we're in now.
If you know, then ya know.
Ha, ha..
Zing
A dollar plus per gallon over regular fuel and oil by the drum for the engine. Sign me up for that, lol.
And Def fluid! 💲
If you're on a budget, this is not the engine to buy. You would do better with a. 2.7L or similar. Most get this engine for hauling or towing, which in itself is a costly endeavor
And double the price oil changes!
So if you work your truck you use 17 quarts of oil between changes. 7 for the change and 10 for the consumption. What a great design.
I bought a 2020 Silverado HC 3.0 diesel. At 2,500 miles it was barely registering on the tip stick. Ended up doing a consumption test with my dealer and it exceeded gm specs. I traded it in with 18.5k miles for a 21 AT4 3.0 diesel. It has been flawless. The most oil used so far has been 1/2 qt over 6,500 mile intervals. MPGs are phenomenal with 22-24 city and 27 to 34 on hwy. Best 400 mile loop was 29mpg and best 50 mile loop is 34.7mpg. Seems to sip DEF. Sitting @ 46600 miles now.
Pretty sure u have an lm2 engine. Hes looking at the new lz0 . It's taking alot more def than the lm2
Hopefully that will be my story, bought the 2023 AT4 as well. Only at 1,000 miles checked oil yesterday, and it registered full on stick! We'll see I guess. Thanks
My 2020 GMC Sierra 1500 3.0 is going through oil I haven’t figured it out per mile but it’s down a full qt before I hit 50% so I am adding 2 and a half qt per oil change. I do tow about 20% of the time and go the DEF a lot. Get great fuel mileage and love the truck but I am worried about this oil usage
I've been around diesel engines all my life I'm 62 years old Every engine I have been in contact with used engine oil
My household owns 5 vehicles with all but one having more than 100K miles. One with 198K miles uses about 1Q/10K miles, one with 185K uses about 1Q/8K miles, the others don't use any. Trying to convince me that 1Q/2K miles is acceptable in a new vehicle is a non-starter for me.
I have a feeling the 0W-20 DexosD has something to do with it. Also, I am sure your consumption will go down once the engine has more miles on it.
I have been considering getting a new truck to replace the truck I have now. I guess it won’t be this
This oil consumption isn't a diesel thing, its a GM thing.
I have several friends with GM trucks with the gas engines, and when they change the oil at 5,000 miles it will be down 1 to 2 quarts and GM says this is normal and don't worry about it, lol.
But if you let it go down to around 3 quarts low it will start to starve the engine of oil and can destroy the engine.
Oh and my 2014 Toyota Tundra with 150, 000 miles that I over load and tow with a lot, doesn't lose one drop of oil at every oil change.
I totally agree with you that’s why I have two tundras with the 5.7 V8 and they also don’t burn a drop of oil.
I was wondering that because I have never owned a diesel.
Oil consumption is also a BMW thing- design defects
Mine never did but it did have a leaking water pump gasket at 80k which is ridiculous...300 to 600 to fix. Somebody hit me before I bit that bullet. Oh and that truck used gas sitting turned off in my driveway got like 13 mpg...with what 15 or so years that 5.7 was well established and bugs worked out these diesels are what 3 years at best...
mid size 2019 diesel Colorado driver. ive never had any oil consumption. oil change at every 5,000 miles. my girlfriend used my truck for a trip and she said 1 day while driving my edge monitor alarm went off oil high oil temp. 220 degrees. was a very hot day 80 mph highway driving. was down 1/4 quart in about 300 mile drive.
Some things to clear up from this video. When he says he is down just below the halfway point of engine oil, that is only down 1/2 quart, so 1.5 quarts down from the initial factory fill. Not 3-4 qts. Also from what I have seen with this engine from friends/family is that they are seeing higher amounts consumed initially, and then after the first oil change the amount of oil consumed drops off significantly to almost none. Many if not all manufacturers have an allowable amount of oil consumed within X amount of miles, and this is not a recent thing either. This has been an industry wide tolerance used by manufacturers for decades. I encourage you to check back again after the first oil change and see how much oil you are consuming then.
Every Chevy car I had burned oil. But every Honda and Toyota I've owned didn't burn oil
I have a 21 3.0 I tow with everyday in south ga I go through about half a qt every 2-2500 miles and happily add the oil it’s the best performing truck I’ve ever owned and I’ve tried them all
I have the 2022 Silverado with 3.0 duramax and 51k miles. Due to all the oil usage reports, I have kept a watchful-eye on the dipstick since new . I change the oil based on when the built in monitor says it is time. We own a ranch and this truck is put to task. It does not have an easy life. I have never once found the engine to have used oil. Something is being concealed here. There are many reports of trucks that are not using oil, and others using a substantial amount of oil. The fleet should be consistent. There appears to be a manufacturing issue. My two cents.
GM excuse built in so they can say “it’s normal…they all do it” crap. About the oil pan change. There goes your warranty
100% right ! Not if, but , when the engine blows up,,,,,Warranty “denied” aftermarket parts installed ! Bin there ! No Do !
You have 2500 miles on your truck, and you're just below the halfway mark on the dipstick, and GM over fills the new trucks by one quart. This isn't right. A new truck shouldn't be using any oil.
Make sure to check your owners manual. The oil level is usually right in the middle of the high and low mark after shutting down the engine and takes overnight for the oil level to reach the full mark on my Chevy gasser. For a gas engine Chevy: Check the engine oil level after the engine has been off for at least 2 hours. Checking oil too soon after engine shutdown can result in incorrect readings.
Thanks for the headsup!
Even on the gasoline engines, GM says to let the vehicle sit for an hour to get the most accurate oil level reading. It's sheer ignorance for this guy to suggest running the engine before checking the oil level is the correct way to do it.
I don’t care what the manufacturer says your new vehicle should not burn oil for several hundred thousand miles . The manufacturer is building junk cars and trucks . I bought a new Chevy Silverado in 2002 and drove it over 500,000 miles and it never used oil .
So happy GM increased the price by 10K in Canada and I cancelled my GMC Sierra 3.0 order and got the Tundra instead. After 10,000 km same oil amount as at the beginning...
a few years ago the f150 5.0 engine used oil ford fix was to give you a longer dip stick and add one more quart of oil in
You can include myself! I never heard of such a thing. I bought the diesel thinking that it would be my last vehicle. Def, oil, diesel! What the???😮
FORD F150's were also evaporating some oil mostly under towing conditions. Again the importance of checking the dipstick from time to time.
5.0l have a major issue with cylinder linings and burning oil.
Being from Quebec Canada, been following you since you got your 2023 diesel. Got my 23 Silverado while waiting for my diesel Tahoe for 18 months. I was always aware that the overall costs of the diesel were more than those of a gas engine, since I will be towing a 3500 pounds RV. I wanted to have this great torque at lo rpm to make it fun towing. But know at .80$ a liter more than gaz, a lot of def when towing and a greater oil consumption, I will consider changing my tahoes order for a 6.2 gas. This way I will get the looks of the pipes, the sound, and most probably my order. Thx for all you put on the tube very much interesting.
5.3 and 6.2 have seeerious lifter issues
Get the 5.3 and go. Run 87 gas. I've had 3 and have been very happy. Change the oil on time. All 3 had cylinder deactivation. Oil use was never an issue. I come in about 1/2 quart low at 7500 miles. The 5.3 holds 8 quarts. No worries.
You'll be in for a new engine before you know it
My 2020 GMC is currently undergoing an oil consumption test (2k miles test per dealer) Truck has 33k miles and on a recent 2k mile trip I added 1 quart each way and when I arrived at home oil was half way between low and high marks. We'll see what happens in a few months after I go back to the dealer, but what bummer to have to constantly add oil on such a new vehicle! Love the channel and how you dig deep on these issues.
GM has a serious problem, my 2020 6.2L consumed oil bad as well. 25 to 3k oil be right off dip stick.
So glad i saw this! Was just about to purchase one. This plus def, plus more per gallon than reg gas is just too much.
I had a 2020 GMC 6.2L and it Consumed OIL - GM tech said was normal. First new truck I’ve drove that when getting fuel / add litre of Oil. So wasn’t going to argue with GM, that’s crazy and SOLD it !!!! I’ve drove a few trucks, all brands and never had a motor Consume oil like this 6.2L did. I was considering a 3.0L diesel GM, but maybe I’ll stick with my Ford.
My 2021 AT4 was eating a quart every 500 miles. After a year of oil consumption testing they took my truck in for a "fix". It was a bad baffle in the valve cover, or at least that's what I was told. The fix seems to have worked, but it took 3 1/2 months to get it fixed. It has been back in the shop again to fix check engine lights.
hi Tim ,
I really like your channel. I have a 2022 lm2 and had to add one quart half way between 1st oil change i do pull a 5,000lb fish house around to camp and fish. My 3rd oil change is almost due and oil is barely down on stick. I think they may use oil in beginning till break in is complete but consumption will probably go down as we put some miles on them. I do like my lm2 and my next one will be lz0 or what ever model they have it the time.
Out on the farm we have some Cummings engines in some of our equipment and the semi we drive they are very noted to use some oil before the 100 hour mark to change the oil. I’ve heard the Detroit diesel engine in semi’s is a big user of oil. I don’t know it first hand I’ve only heard about. Some diesel do use some oil before the oil change and some don’t use a lick. The 6.6 in the full size can that I have is pretty good with not needing to add any before the oil change.
Check after it sits for hours. 2022 LM2 here with no usage. In the Heavy duty diesel space, truckers would check right after shutting down. Then they would see 2 to 3 quarts low and add. Essentially they were always overfilling and therefore burning oil. Self perpetuating Essentially. Don't add until lower hash and check after the engine has been off for hours.
Great video. I never noticed this problem with my lm2
I can’t wait to see your results with the PPE oil pan. That is my plan to install that oil pan. I am not seeing that much oil consumption on my 22’ GMC LM2 but probably about a little over a qt. At 5k miles. I may give the Amsoil synthetic oil a try down the road to see what results I get with that.
All oil is synthetic now a days. Try and find "conventional" anymore. It's a hard find
Try to find the Amsoil REFINERY. It doesn't exist. Superior, WI is just a bottling plant for whoever wins the bid to supply sooper-dooper today. Can you say scam without cursing?
I have had nothing but trouble out of mine. Been in the shop for 8 months. Numerous parts replaced.
I follow the owners manual, from the "Vehicle Care" section on page 26 of the Diesel Supplement with my 21 with LM2 titled "Checking Engine Oil"
. To get an accurate reading, park the
vehicle on level ground. Check the engine
oil level after the engine has been off for
at least two hours. Checking the engine
oil level on steep grades or too soon after
engine shutoff can result in incorrect
readings. Accuracy improves when
checking a cold engine prior to starting.
Remove the dipstick and check the level.
. If unable to wait two hours, the engine
must be off for at least 15 minutes if the
engine is warm, or at least 30 minutes if
the engine is not warm. Pull out the
dipstick, wipe it with a clean paper towel
or cloth, then push it back in all the way.
Remove it again, keeping the tip down,
and check the level.
I couldn’t believe my ears when he said to check oil you first run it for a little bit absolutely no logic. Why does the oil have to circulate before you check it. I think he must be confused with checking oil level after oil change maybe but still would have to let it sit for a long enough time before checking.
The service bulletin is complete nonsense. A new engine should never use that amount of oil. Great video Tim. Very informative!
I have 45k on my 3.0 Duramax and don’t have any oil burning problems. I just checked my oil and after 4,800 miles since my last oil change, I am right at the halfway mark on the stick. I did add a quart of oil during and out west trip after towing our camper for about 3,000 miles.
I've got 4,800 miles on my 2023 Silverado 3.0 Duramax. It hasn't burned any oil at all.
See this is why manufacturers don't put diesels in trucks that reg people drive that don't know what they are talking about. Most diesels burn oil for thousands of miles until broken in, Even CAT and Cummins engines burn oil up till 50k miles plus till ring a are seated, some closer to 100k, they use to say they are just broken in at 100k 🤷♂️ Most people nowadays don't keep these trucks to a 100k nor load them and work them to break them in sooner, so someone who just drives it around like a car will generally see oil consumption and think it's burning oil, something is wrong.
I guess that explains the oil change interval from your earlier video. You don't need to worry about changing oil as you are steadily adding new oil. Just need to change the oil filter at some point.
WRONG!! Frequent diesel oil changes is because the huge explosions (knocking) causes ring blowby normally CONTAMINATING the lube with carbon. Keep adding without proper changes makes the contamination worse and worse, wearing out the rings resulting in a runaway engine running on crankcase oil! No matter what they tell you, change oil at 3000 miles using Rotella T4 dino oil or Chevron Delo 400. DO NOT WASTE MONEY ON SYNTHETIC as it won't stop the blowby. DO NOT EXTEND the 3000 mile limit! My 41-yr-old Mercedes 300TD and 35-yr-old Chevy P22 surplus Air Force 6.2l diesel stepvan prove it.
On our farm equipment the engines come with a break in oil. Some engines need to run the break in oil longer to get broke in. We keep an eye on break in oil level then when it stops consuming it and so many hours we change to regular oil.
I had my PCV valve replaced on the LM2 which fixed my oil consumption.
I look forward to following your experiences with this New GM
A few years ago gm performance crate engines had consumption problems.. it was because they used low tension oil rings.. most hot rodders would take them apart and install standard tension oil rings and it fixed the problem....
Tim, very Interesting. I never would have guessed that they overfill by a quart. I checked my 2023 GMC SIERRA SLT with the LZ0 and the oil level is above the full level. How much I don’t have a feeling for. I have put about a thousand miles on the truck and the oil level hasn’t budged. It is slightly darkened. The larger oil pan can’t hurt. The other thing to consider is a bypass oil filter system. This system pulls about 10% of the oil and flows it through a 2 micron filter while the other 90% goes through a full flow filter. These two filters typically require you to add about two more quarts to the oil pan. The 2 micron filter suppose to remove a large percentage of the soot. AMSOIL, INSANE DIESEL are two of the most popular bypass filter vendors.
If the oil gets deeper, buy an oil test from a reputable lab and find out how much fuel is filling the crankcase past the sloppy rings! Sloppy rings drops compression so all the fuel doesn't burn.
@@LarryButler-kp3se I had an oil analysis performed at 3,000 miles and showed a fuel dilution at 0.4% and a soot level at 0.1% all well within normal range. My truck now has over 10,000 miles and seems to have stopped using oil. I have switched to Mobil 1 ESP X2 (0W-20) with 30% PAO.
Thanks for making this video Tim, can't wait to see how things go from here. Yesterday I took my '21 LM2 to a mechanic outside of the dealership for the first time. He checked the oil level before draining it, and it wouldn't even show on the dip stick. He figures it was down at least 3 quarts.
It would be nice if the dealerships made you aware of this when you buy the truck...
My 2022 LM2 doesn't use a drop on a 5K change cycle.
@@edwardpate6128 just proves the GM build quality inconsistency
@edwardpate6128 how'd you break yours in?
YOU are one lucky dude! When this PoS runs low on oil, the STUPID oil pressure timing chain tensioner runs the chain so slack it jumps timing, causing the open valves to crash into the pistons destroying the engine! NEVER run this pig with low oil pressure!!
I was the original owner of a 2007 Duramax LBZ and towed regularly a 24 foot toy hauler. I barely dropped below full in 7000 miles between oil change intervals using Shaffer's 9000 full synthetic diesel oil. I sold it after 85K miles and the oil consumption never changed.
Last year i did the oil pan upgrade ,it was super hard to do ,having a 4x4 truck makes everything so impossible and time consuming,but that was my goal making sure i had enough oil when towing my rv.
You had to put a bigger oil pan on to pull your camper? On a new truck? Ouch...
I love all the research you do and inside information you get. This channel is really informative considering I think the LZ0 will be in my next vehicle.
He has no idea what he's talking about
@@kwmiked But he's willing to learn.
@@kwmikedso he actually interviews the GM engineers who designed this motor. I wouldn't call him an expert on this truck but he's willing to connect with the CORRECT people to get the CORRECT answers. Far to many TH-camrs claim they spoke to the manufacturer but don't have proof like an actual interview.
@Cory Delbiondo kinda like when Polaris engineers told me at a early release ride that only few got to go to, asked why no 128in track? They said why would u want a 128, that's the worst of both worlds, it's in-between a 120 and a 137, you'll feel every bump. Next season they came out with a 128 and claim it's the best thing since sliced bread 🤣 Can't believe shit your told from any Manufacturer! U learn by experience! Not from Talk
Diesel was a 1.60 more per gallon today when I stopped for fuel. My last truck was a Duramax and I kept it 11 years. But now days between the cost of fuel, all the expensive emissions equipment, extra cost on filters and DEF. Only way I’d own a diesel is if I towed heavy A LOT. By that I mean several days a week or you tow long distances regularly. If you aren’t pulling a bunch, I just don’t think they are worth the hassle.
For Sure ! I’m on my 5th Duramax, the newer GM 2019 is a “pig” on fuel , compared to the Isuzu 6.6 ! 4-5 of my buddies bought the 6.6L gas version,, & they get the same consumption,, without losing any power ! $12K cheaper ! No more Deisels for me either !
Exactly right! Tow heavy often, yes get a diesel. Other than that it makes no sense over gas, especially in a half ton.
Solution: For the HD truck guys. Ford's 7.3L Godzilla or GM 6.6L L8T for you GM loyalists. Both old school push rod engines. Godzilla is even port fuel injected. No DEF, No HPFP, No DPF, No EGR, No turbo to wait on to cool down, or fail prematurely, cheaper fuel, etc etc.
I’ve been in the auto business since the mid 70s and virtually every manufacturer has similar oil consumption specs. BMW wouldn’t address the issue unless you used more than a quart very 1000 miles.
Bingo.
It's not that the engine WILL use that much. It's just won't be considered a problem unless it exceeds that.
Yes! They set those specs to avoid warranty claims
My 2011 f150 with 3.7l and all prior v6 cars always held their oil level between oil changes. Almost no consumption ever!
Why not just keep adding that extra quart of oil that the factory used? You get extra capacity without spending money and labor on that pan?
What’s interesting is that ever since I’ve owned a 2007 Avalanche, I’ve been told by GM that the accepted consumption was 1 Qt per 2000 miles back then.
I’ve never had consumption issues in other brands.
I had a 2014 LTZ .5 ton and I was told the Chevy shake was road force.. lol
It isn't burned from ring area. The PCV sucks it into the intake.
@@johnmills837 that's why gear heads use catch cans.
@@_LFOD1836 I do because I tow at 2,700 rpm for hours. Can't tow in OD with the 4L60E.
I have heard reports of oil usage like that being classified as normal even for the 5.7 vortec engines, something about low tension rings to help boost fuel economy through less pressure against the cylinder walls.
I also haven't experienced that in other makes but it makes sense from a engineering perspective.
It would make sense for GM (and others) to use looser, low tension ring packs to maximize fuel economy where comparatively the 2500 (F250) and higher don't worry about fuel economy as much.
Just wait a couple years until these engines are getting replaced under warranty and GM will say “you never checked the oil”. Warranty void
My 21 Silverado with the 3.0l used only half between factory and first oil change.
My 2006 Silverado 1500 used a quart every 3000 miles new and was using a quart every 2000 by 25,000miles.. I never had a car/used that much before. My 2016 F150 has 60,000 miles now and it's still full at 7500 mile oil changes and I tow a 7600lb travel trailer with it several times a year.
I don’t think the service bulletin says it WILL use that much oil, it just says that much oil loss is considered “normal”. Which every company says the same thing - I think Chrysler even went down to 750mi/qt at one time when they had the crappy minivan V6s in the Wranglers.
It would be interesting to see if you do burn oil, though that might be difficult to really notice if you’re going to install that aftermarket pan.
Issue: Some 2018-2020 F-150 vehicles equipped with a 5.0L engine may exhibit excessive oil
consumption of greater than 1L (1 quart) in 4,800 km (3,000 mi) with no visible oil leaks. This may be due
to high intake manifold vacuum during some deceleration fuel shut off (DFSO) events resulting in oil being
pulled into the combustion chamber from the crankcase, valve guides, and positive crankcase ventilation
(PCV). To correct the condition, follow the Service Procedure steps to reprogram the powertrain control
module (PCM), install a new engine oil level indicator and change the engine oil and oil filter. The revised
PCM calibration reduces engine vacuum during some DFSO events.
This doesn't always work. It's a design flaw with the cylinder material, many 5.0 engines need replacing
Mfg for years have had acceptable standards for oil use or burn in 90’s acceptable oil consumption of 1quart per 1,000 miles
I know a man that threw his valve cover cap away and screw in funnel, when engine went to clattering he threw in 4 quarts
My 2022 GMC with 3.0 LM2 doesn't use a drop between 5K oil change intervals. From my research I've found no documentation showing they are overfilled by a quart from the factory. I know mine was not.
On every diesel engine we own I've NEVER seen where it said to start it then check oil. Of course it's gonna show low until it all drains down. Check it after sitting 30mi or a hr and see where it reads
my 2021 LM2 Sierra is leaking oil from the front seal or front cover, but haven't had it into the dealer to be fixed yet. maybe after that I can tell if i'm actually using oil
I change my oil on my 2021 LM2 at the dealership every 5,000 miles and it isn't using any oil between changes. I check the oil on the dipstick after the truck sits overnight and it's always on the full mark.
I have a 21 Silverado LM2 mine stopped using oil after my first oil change at 5k miles. I now have 22k miles and tow a 34 foot travel trailer in the summer and still didn't use any oil.
Problem I see is the dpf filter getting plugged really often . I have the 6.6 with no oil usage.
Owned 2 - 3.0 Dmax trucks and neither one consumed any oil whatsoever. Even when I tow my RV it doesn’t burn any oil. For those who do burn oil, that sure beats having your 5.3 or 6.2 lifters and cams destroyed prematurely!!!
Hello Tim, I would appreciate on your next video if you would correct your statement concerning oil consumption? The service bulletin you referenced what was for an accepted usage for warranty purposes. Your statement was the engine is going to use oil which is incorrect. I am just thinking of people watching this video who are on the fence about buying this product. They may not purchase one now knowing it going to use oil. I have a 2020 model 3 liter diesel and it does not use any oil between oil changes. My oil change interval is 5,000 miles. Also I have a 2020 3 liter diesel engine manual which shows correct way to check the oil. Not sure what the newer models have or if they even have engine manuals?
I had a 2021 LM2 diesel .... put 40,000 Miles on it .... I usually make it 1/2 way through an oil change and had to add a quart ...I had to pack a quart in a brand new truck ... because that crazy oil is impossible to find anywhere except the dealer.
I was like ... this is crazy --BUT loved the fuel mileage so much i bought a 2023 with the LM0 -- Just assuming GM would address the oil burning problem because its nuts! -- So far so good ... not burning oil (but I'm only 1/2 way to the first oil change) -- If you say they put an extra quart in at factory.... then my guess is this engine burns oil too.
Toyota had a similar problem ~ 12-15 years ago in their 4 cylinder gas engines. My neighbor has one of those cars and he went thru the "oil consumption analysis" goat rope with his Toyota dealer a couple of times,... but his car didn't burn enough oil to warrant an engine change-out .....so they told him too bad so sad...deal with it!!! He told me this story earlier last year and I said why don't you try some Marvel Myster Oil in the crankcase and give it a few thousand miles to see if that helps the oil consumption issue. It seems to have worked for my 2005 E320 diesel as it burned oil and I usually had to add a quart between changes. Ever since I have been using MMO in it though, the oil consumption issue has abated and it no longer burns any oil. Well,...low and behold after ~ 4000 miles, his car no longer burns ANY oil and he is happier than pig in a warm mud puddle on a cold day! MMO doesn't work quickly, it will take 5,000 to 10,000 miles to do its' optimum effect, but for $8 a quart at Wally world, if I were you I would invest $16 and put a quart in your truck right in the parking lot and do the same thing with the second quart at your next oil change and by the time the oil change after that rolls around, I believe you will notice a significant reduction in your truck's appetite for engine oil. I use MMO in everything I have from lawnmowers, motorcycles and all my cars and trucks...it works.
You need to use Amsoil synthetic oil. This stuff stopped my Tundra from consuming 1 Quart a month. And use a Bypass Oil FIlter too. Great channel Tim!
Ah yes, the ever present ScamsOil posts.
The Dexos 2d 0W-20 is the same oil as Mobil 1 Delvac ESPx2 (fully synthetic and rated for diesel usage), and is a fantastic product. anyone suggesting something better, better come with some real data
@@BrianKrahmer Gale Banks who is a world-famous diesel engine builder uses Amsoil. Here is a video he did with a scientist at Amsoil. This should give you the proof you are looking for: th-cam.com/video/9rEGIB2F8qA/w-d-xo.html
Yes I bought 2023 and the same thing. When I got to 4500 miles and checked the oil, it was low. Drove to the dealership show them. They did an oil change. Now I'm at 6400 miles and it's low on the dip stick again. I hope they come up with a fix for it. I've never heard of oil consumption. Enegineers messed up and put the letter out to cover their butts. Oil consumption..... Come on GM
In my Corvair, I would put a quart of oil in and then check the oil. Every morning.
I'm wondering how the change from aluminum pistons on the LM2 to steel pistons on the LZ0 is going to play out. Steel piston on LZ0 is shorter than LM2 probably due to weight. I think the rod is longer too which pushes the wrist pin closer to the top.
What does that do?
They were made out of steel so they could be made smaller while not crumbling apart. Tiny weight penalty, but it also allows them to run a longer rod for a better rod ratio, and that means less side loading on the cylinders and more power transfer to the crank. less wear and better power.
Not seeing a lot of oil consumption on the lm2...had it for 3 years. What I am seeing is a dead battery every 5 days if it sits that long. Business trip...dead truck. Already checked the smcm....still does it not sure what is turning the low power bus on...dealer can't figure it out.
As I listen to this on the oil - thinking about ALL the things you had to find out yourself on your Tundra, maybe the owners manual needs to be 2 parts: the initial - need to know and then the rest - need to know over time. Something.... because when you look at all the vehicles with pretty thick books with each car - they are not getting into peoples hands necessary info.
I have many thoughts on this. The first is all the engines will burn even a tiny amount during the oil change schedule. The number that they gave you was the number for maximum allowable Burn. They aren’t stating that that much. Burn is necessarily normal but that’s within range. I questioned that once on a board I had and that’s what they told me I still was not happy about it.
1 quart every 2000 miles is actually a high standard these days. Toyota and others are saying 1 quart every 1200 miles is "normal". Guys complaining about using a quart between oil changes haven't been paying attention to all the lawsuits and complaints about oil consumption coming from every manufacturer (Toyota, Honda, Subaru, MB, BMW, Ford, GM, etc)
I wonder, if you install the new oil pan that allows 2 more Quarts, what does "full" look like on the Dip Stick..
It's called 0w-20... Quit using it. It's for fuel economy to please EPA. Use 5w-30 and oil consumption will not be a problem.
I know not a truck but I have a 2010 Kia Sportage with 2.7 ltr V6 . Change oil every 10,000 Klm with Super Tech 5W20 Synthetic oil and never have to add between changes . Might be down 1/2 quart . Presently has 621,000 klms on it .
👑 you the man! Sounds like some good, but bad info. A must know stuff.
GM also uses low tension piston rings. If it takes a couple extra cases of oil over 200k miles, I'm ok with it since I've seen multiple 5.3 V8's with well over 200k on them which still show faint honing cross hatch in the cylinders, and it's because of the low tension rings. Cadillac Northstars were acceptable using 1 qt/1000 miles 25 years ago, but on them it went out the tailpipe, sides of the block, and main seals. A lot of them used more coolant than oil too.
Lot's of those 5.3's that grenade at low miles.
There’s no reason to burn that much oil except Poor manufacturing. Cylinder honing is a science. It’s not that hard to make a good piston and rings that seal. If my 5.7 tundra with 0-20 oil cannot burn a drop of oil so can the other manufacturers.
@@icehog2367 I've owned 5 of them and they've all been great. Several friends and relatives had them too, for a lot of miles, and I never heard of a catastrophic failure from anyone. I'm sure there are those who had an issue, but there are millions and millions of them out there.
Unacceptable! So tired of the gm fanboys making excusing and ignoring all the crap gm shoved down their throats. And the newer 5.3’s with direct injection and cylinder deactivation will not even make it to 200k without major work and money. Sad because gm used to be great way back before the 2000’s.
@@ajmedeiros77 Yeah, optispark and TBI was awesome. I'd have a use for one of those small block V8's, but my boat already has an anchor.
Toyota, had issues with their 2.4 4cl that drank oil. We had a rav4 that would go through 4qts in between oil changes.
No that is not the correct way to check your oil. Check the oil 1st thing in the morning before you start it up. And then after that, let the truck get up to operating temperature and then let it sit for approximately 2 to 3 minutes and then check it again. If you start it up (“COLD”) the oil is thicker win oil is cold and you will check the oil and it will show low because it takes a lot longer for the oil to come back to the pan when the engine is cold. It gives you a higher risk of a false oil level reading and you possibly overfilling your engine with oil and could cause damage.
Anybody remember the 5.4 3valve Triton motors in the F150 and Expeditions? Those things were oil drinking machines and POS!!!
Perfect, just add a quart once it gets low and never change it.
I have been thinking about getting the diesel denali however if i have to keep oil and DEF ready to go then i guess i just stick to gas.
So, where does the oil that's being consumed actually go? Is it being forced back through the engine? Would an oil catch-can work for a Diesel the same way it does for regular gas engines?
That is definitely a lot of oil usage for 2,500 miles. I'd immediately blame low friction rings. I'd hate to think what this engine will be like with 100k+ miles.
Mercedes M series use a ton of oil and the customers are told this is normal. My friend had one and it used a quart a month. They said they would not fix it. It was in the usage range of the manufacturer specs. Probably only 700 or 800 miles per month.
I’m actually surprised that these highly turbocharged engines do not use more oil than they do. PCV system (on gassers) is way more complicated.
I don't understand why it is eating oil. My freightliner truck has a Detroit 14L engine. Changing oil every 25000mls. Oil level never goes down between changes. And I'm usually pulling 60000lbs. That is trailer plus load.
I don't know if that's gonna work if the oil Pan is wider it might work but if it's deeper the oil pick up is not gonna be in its place where it needs to be and those 2 Extra quarts of oil isn't gonna matter
Porsche Cayenne says 1 quart every 600 miles is acceptable. In the owners manual.
I was thinking about one of these but I’ll have too pass that’s ridiculous new engine using oil.
That saved me not buying buying Suburban diesel. Written in blk & white you can't complain at dealer.
Interesting. I’m on our 5th oil change and other then checking when I leave the dealer I have never checked again lol. Maybe I should start.
Your comment about the def fluid. I swear there is something wrong with my truck. I’m burning through 10 L of def a month. My 2017 Cummins burned through 10 L a year.
May have dirty EGR valve
It’s like “you have the poops “ you need more toilet paper ! Your engine is burning oil & needs more re-gens to clean ! Thus more DEF fluid ! LOL think of your poor EGR system,,,,soon to plug up,! Watch,,, then,,,, BOOM ! Needs a Motor ! No warranty,,, Driver abuse ! LOL
All internal combustion engines burn some oil. Notice that they claim up to that rate is acceptable. That doesn't mean you will automatically burn at the higher rate. Just check the oil when you refuel and add as necessary. If you are really concerned you could go to a slightly higher viscosity oil but there are tradeoffs to doing that.
0:04 I second FullaBullz- great information and insight to this 2023 Silverado LZ0 diesel. I’m also planning to purchase this as our tow vehicle for our 3500# boat & trailer. Also will be used for our local “running around town truck”. Found one that has the max trailering package with 3.73 rear axle gear ratio. I know it will tow very well but concerned the ride (suspension) might be too stiff without towing the boat?
I test drove a 23 GMC Sierra 1500 short box with the Duramax and max tow a few weeks ago, and have one on order with the standard box.
I didn't notice the suspension being stiff at all. It was a nice smooth ride compared to a 15 Tundra.
You wont be disappointed. That truck is SNAPPY with the 3.0L and the max tow package.