Selling beats EXPLAINED - (how to sell beats)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ธ.ค. 2022
- Beezo broke it down for all the new producers trying to sell beats. Selling beats can get complicated, but Beezo explained it perfectly.
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I see why a lot of rappers learn to do beats
Or type up a contract for a 50 split
That’s how it’s supposed to be. Producers just like artists are supposed to make money anytime the song is played. Let’s say it’s an up and coming producer and he sold you the beat for $500 and the song ends up blowing up. You as the artist would end up making wayyy more money off of it as opposed who only got paid $500. That’s why they have split sheets. But the common person doesn’t know or haven’t heard anything about that
@@thegreatone6272 exactly
@@thegreatone6272then just lease your beats at a fixed rate or accept a lower profit share. The rapper inevitable makes the beat famous, not you as a producer. It makes no sense to split profits 50/50 if I’m adding more value to the song than the beat.
@@thegreatone6272but artists don't make money off the song, right? So if a song blows up, this just helps to build buzz for the artist. Are you saying the producer has to get paid every time the song is played on a public platform?
This is a prime example of why and it’s good to know how to play all the instruments and sing or rap whatever you do
Just like rock n roll
Old head
Facts
i do
no cap nigga just get there homie you tapped in with to make beats
He gets paid for making the beat, then gets paid ROYALTIES every time the record plays. The power of owning your PUBLISHING. You do something once and get paid over and over forever.
That's the producer's product no matter if he sold it to you. Look at it like this me selling it to you locks both of you all in to that production so no one else can jack the beat and just tap over your songs and not paddy you for the inspiration the music and lyrics causes. Intellectual property has to be accounted for in this manner because the flow and the beat are instrumental in the creation process because of the mood it places the artist in. It's simple with out the blue print, i.e. the song, there is no spark. No spark leaves the artist searching for the right words to formulate in order to make a song. Just try listening to just lyrics and no music? Then listen to the instrumentals? Which inspires the most? They both give you direction because it's nearly impossible to separate the words from the music once you have listened to the finished process. Even when artist put verses to beats at different times they are still sent a concept inorder to make the verses cohere. If there is no concept then the song does mesh because one is talking about women the other is talking about cars and clothes the finished product doesn't make sense. It's like making a video that doesn't speak to or show anything the song is referencing. It's a wasted production and usually doesn't sell well beyond just recognition of name sake but the concepts are all over the place. Fans are simple and aren't rocket scientists they rarely decipher hidden messages in the videos especially when the lyrics aren't tutorials. This is reason why simplicitysimplicity is bliss. As simple as ABC easy as 123... You will never forget that combination nor will you never understand it. Just as him speaking on the back end? Wtf? Naw money on the wood or in this case register me within the publishing from the word go then we don't have to worry about you keeping it fair because when the check is cut both parties are represented in the form of "pay to the order of" , both names are listed. Funds there for have to be accounted for legally and once the books are tallied properly and not cooked??? Both people walk away imbursed correctly. Now if you don't pay your taxes or show the income on your financials then that pill is for you to swallow and Uncle Sam is looking for you and you alone. Separates both entities if not then liability for taxes wouldn't clearly be established and the government would come at both or all relevant parties, everybody listed on the credits. That's where points are tallied and the split incorporates the established value per point which again sets liability for taxation. This in the end makes the language in contacts most important,'work for hire', signifies that the producer credits are then forfeited and ownership is 100% upon the registering party minus,if any at all, points given to any other entity responsible by way of contributions noted by both or all parties noted formally. That's what he means by selling a dream and promising back end payment. The artist isn't responsible for the totals and distribution of them. ASCAP pays the bills bro not Lil Baby,Da Baby, or yo Baby momma keep your name on everything you do
@@gardeningwithagangster1919 who do you think was about to read that shit 😂😂
@@gardeningwithagangster1919 boy ain’t no one reading that long ass paragraph….your wrong either way so…..if you pay a producer AND he wants 50% I’d laugh in your damn face…..if you gave me the best for free but want 50% on the track THAT sounds more doable…..but mf you just a producer…..you take other peoples samples and sounds and throw them into fruity loops and call them your own…..mf you ain’t do shit your a glorified dj😂 if your not paying for promotion plus mixing and mastering from an ENGINEER……then you getting laughed at in your fucking face for thinking you getting 50% of my song😂 you can have a song a-cappella but a beat without no words just some edm and classical music💀 mf you ain’t metro booming……fuck you think you gettin 50% for if your a no name ass producer…..you trippin trippin, mf you ain’t timberland
@@denzelwilkins5974 evidently you read enough of it to reply. Just hope you learned something and didn't waste yours and my time trolling my reply. That would totally be stupid. Also the main reason people get messed over in the entertainment industry. Know it all types who hate for no good reason. If it didn't help you just let it go why you choose to reply negatively baffles me. It takes much much more energy to hate than to simply hit the like button. Be smart bro and fight with me against the OPP instead of fighting with me for the OPP. 1
So how do you price it? Sell for a couple racks to an unknown but Jack it up for Drake etc?
People don’t understand producers get played 90% of the time by artists which is why nowadays these producers strict about the money .
Facts
"I'm only 🐍🐍🐍elling it to you"
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I'm only snakeemojisnakeemojisnakeemojoelling to you 💀
(I understand it I'm just joking)
nigga ts funny
So basically he wants to get paid for a beat and still retain half ownership of the beat. This the type of dude back in the day that would go half with you on a bag of weed smoke his half as fast as he could than ask if he could hit yours.
When you buy land from the government you still pay taxes on the land right?
What make anyone think just because someone buy a beat and that's it no! You buy the beat which is u have unlimited and have rights to use it no one else but you. If anyone want full control then make your own but wait, don't buy loops samples..you have to be clear for rights for that so anyone who thought about making their own better know how to play every instrument and chords lol
Why don’t you know that this is how it works? This is not his opinion. 😂 This is how the points are split between the artist and the producer.
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@@Jay-mc1sg he not the government and taxes ain't no 50%
The beat is what carries most rappers today. Enjoyment is 60% beat and 40% lyrics
Disagree, rappers or artist make the music an actual song, that launches.
More 80/20 lol
More 80% beat.
@@danieldollar1495 Nah. If that were true, EDM wouldn't pull 50,000+ audiences at multimillion dollar festivals sponsored by every major brand you could possibly think of in every industry from food to fashion.
The music sells, not the lyrics. Most of the time. There are a few big names out there that still sell on lyrics alone. But that club is vanishingly small in the wide ocean that is Rap, Hip Hop, and RnB. People like Eminem or Jay-Z are the exception, not the rule.
I blame it on image consciousness. Too many artists are too worried about maintaining image that they don't take the time to actually write their own shit. They label up, get a check, hire a few writers and live their lives on social media. So they aren't coming from a place of lived experience like the old heads did. That clout nonsense doesn't resonate with people as much as modern artists like to think it does, so modern audiences latch on to the beat and the lyrics become background noise.
It's why underground 80's and 90's are still considered best of the best 30-40 years later, because the majority of the Rap and Hip Hop industry were out there writing about their lived experiences rather than a bunch of shit they pretend like they went through. Once social media became popular enough to support the marketing industry, the way the music game is played changed forever.
Well stop listening to lil whatevers
This comment section shows me that ALOT of people need to freshen up on their knowledge of the music business
Right most have no clue, the comments definitely show that
Music has always worked like this. It's only today's generation that has such a problem with this lol.
Exactly 🤦♂️ they truly believe it’s reasonable that a person like Drake can have another man produce the song w another one writing it and he deserve 100% because his voice is whats heard. Producers do the most work, and are the backbone to the industry
the only ones getting mad are the producers, as a artist and a producer, its not fair for a artist to split 50% when most of the time they dont gain alot of profit and the music algorithm is too saturated
beats also shouldn’t be sold as leases and only exclusively because they only do that to screw the artist over, if i made 100k off a single there should be no reason i should split it to 50k with just the prod alone, the more yall prod do this the more yall gonna wonder why noone wants to work with yall 😂
“imma sell u this zip but after you flip it i want 50% of the profit”
“imma sell you a half. Add your own half n you got a zip. Forgot to mention, this half is magical and you can duplicate and sell it infinitely as long as there demand. It can make you rich and famous. Can I get a cut?”
You don’t understand, I’m pretty sure beats make more profit then a zip. It’s 2 completely different things, you could make hundreds of thousands , or even millions from a beat, you can’t from somthing like weed lol it’s not the same
That’s why it’s called a front
@@damionefreeman7336 You ain’t fronting it tho, you buying it.
Not even the same thing weed is weed once it’s gone it’s gone. Beats live on and replicate
This is why you either have someone on your team making the beats for you or your own skills at it.
What? You sound like you missed the point. Your producer, that's on your team, is going to want the exact same thing. 🤦🏽♂️
That’s the type of deal I would give someone on my team 50/50 lol, just cause he’s my boy I can’t expect him to work for free
@@PillNye 50/50 with one person huh what about everyone else ?
@@funynonsence people is talk
This is one of the reasons why I started producing.
Now, how do you feel giving away beats for cheap? LoL!!
@@jeulahr u missed the point but you thought u did that 😂
@@verifiedque3239 now you got me verified confused 🤔
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bro them bears not it
It’s crazy that so many producers just trying to make some quick money, sold beats for cheap with no paperwork involved, that there are a whole bunch of artists who now think that’s how it’s supposed to be, and that any producer who wants his fair share of royalties is “greedy”. Can’t make this stuff up.
I had to check comments to see if I was trippin or he was 😂
He's 100% trippin
He is
You not the only one 😂😂
he prolly makes 808 beats on FL studio don’t worry
Fam im here for the same reason lol
He sound like the weed man who try smoke with you after he sell you weed😂😂. “Ima sell you this weed but we gone smoke it together”😂
Dead ass that’s re nigging😂
Lol 😂
Real shit he bein greedy
Sell it to you and ask you to roll up knowing damn well he got like 5 Ps in the vicinity 😂
Lmao 🤣 🤣
For those who need clarification, the 50% split is on the Publishing, that’s expected. This only counts royalties on non-interactive plays and live performances, which are collected by the performing rights organizations. That’s fractions of a penny.
He’s not referring to getting 50% on the Masters where all revenue from the song, including interactive streaming, digital sales, physical sales, and any other exploitation of the record goes to him. You’d be lucky to even get 2% on the Masters.
Beat makers aren’t always producers producers aren’t always beat makers glad we sorted that out
The difference is executive music producers commit resources while audio engineers make beats ie drum groove, create melodies and harmonies and design sounds to a consumable level.
That's how I see it. Calling yourself a producer is like calling yourself a CEO of label and not the audio engineer of a commercial studio.
labels are labels everyone’s just a musician
@@jeulahr no, that is not what an audio engineer does lol
@@zecmadeit it's either you're a record producer or a record executive.
You can't approve a half baked delivery.
@@jeulahr engineers typically mix and master and perfect sounds and tweak the beats here in there.
Make your own beats write and record everything, you will get 100 percent
Facts and the quality of music would /should sound better. When producing yourself it allows the tracks to be tailored for the MC. It’s the difference between off the rack and tailor made.
@@aakhtab8403 exactly, someone that gets it
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that doesn't make any sense because if I buy a Beat for $100 then turn around and then buy it exclusively that s*** is mine because one of the 100 maybe you can get 50% of what I make but once I buy exclusively that s*** is mine you ain't getting nothing unless I saw the contract say that you want 50% from every beat that you make
@@Mobcityrecords100 reread what I said
“Sssssselling it to you”… he even enunciated like a snake 😂
😂 I had rewatch 😭😭
He got that Atlanta accent.
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“🐍 elling it to you”
All that needs to be established from the jump! Music execs been taking advantage of artists for so long now everyone is attempting to capitalize on every aspect of the business.
He’s %100 correct they way they split publishing is 50% for the music 50% for the lyrics melody ect and that doesn’t change if you get $10k or 0 for the beat upfront but what does change is the master royalty which is where most of (70% or more) the money comes from(streaming radio tv sync ect) and the artist/label typically gets 95% of the master leaving the producer with 3-5% so he’s actually right
Thank you someone get it
This is why you read your contracts kiddos.
Reading is fundamental
Facts
Bro they don't read.
@@Kapittals Most definitely.
It's about more than reading it's about overstanding it
Lmao...most starting out and early grinding know nothing about contracts...Producers take a beating more than anyone else... This dude didn't convey what really happens. Most artists first deal, the artist comes w work... He gets signed...then he screws most of those he came up w and made that music w...cause it comes out of his check... Back end isn't predetermined. Don't sell yourself short....but sometimes u will lose in the first few deals ...that's the way it is.
"I'm gonna sell you this orange, but when you eat it, I wanna eat it too"
Edit: To those who cannot take a joke, cry about it losers.
😂 This why I came to the comments, bruh
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ya, the difference is, you buy and orange and eat it, you dont buy an orange and sell it for $10000000
edit: the word "buy" here was the problem im realizing by the number of responses. any somewhat informed producer nowadays is doing whats called "leasing" beats, where you spend to be able to use the beat, but the rights still belong to the producer. i agree with the responses about buying, but anyone with a brain doesnt just sell their intellectual property outright.
@@based_oregano nah if the orange was initially worth that much why didn’t the primary seller decide to sell it at that price? because the orange increased in value because of what the person that bought it did with it,and now you want a cut ,it doesn’t work that way.
Instead work on your orange instead of selling it and increase its value instead of trying to profit of others by laying claim to the orange after they’ve bought it.
@@based_oregano doesn’t matter what I do with the orange AFTER I BUY IT. I can eat it, throw it away, give it away. If you’re a broke beat maker just that. Your goal should be placement not trying to finesse the upcoming or proven rappers that can get you there. There’s plenty of beat makers but only so many rappers. Outwork the next beat maker, which is more than making a million beats but knowing how to network. You will fail if you think you just have to make beats and the artist will get you put in front of everyone. How about in your deal when selling beats you also help promote the track, or maybe you have placements with the industry to help the artist take it further. See y’all don’t understand building relationships in this line of work which will take you further and that’s why most will FAIL!
This why it's best to find a producer to build wit and/or learn to make beats
%50 royalties is crazy. Never heard of such high splits, even big time producers rarely get that.
50% is the norm between real producers and artists that are indie, especially if the producer has PRODUCED the artist, and is not just a 'beat maker'.
@@ScottThePisces Not its not its 10-15%
@@ScottThePisces Yeah in that case I can see it. That's a massive departure from working with a signed artist as a beatmaker (not in the studio with the artist, not giving input on arrangement, no input outside of the beat).
A Hit song is an Appreciating asset it can be sold forever way past the day you die as long as people want to listen money will be made over and over again and still make money that is why royalties/licenses and things like this exists because you're a team with the people you make music with, once something hits off the people you worked with benefits as well and the colaborated work pulls up the people your people/team.
@@smokiisevenIt's actually 4% or as they say 4 points
Bro got his own definition of "sell"
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Exactly. And He seems to have two different definitions of His own.
No. He does not. You do. As well do the other ignorant people that have liked your comment and similar comments. You should look up copyright law before you potentially fuck yourself over in the future thinking you have the right to something because you bought it.
@@IncognitoSprax *Rent* : "pay someone for the use of (something, typically property, land, or a car)."
*Sell* : "give or hand over (something) in exchange for money."
*Lease* : "a contract by which one party conveys land, property, services, etc. to another for a specified time, usually in return for a periodic payment."
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Oh, you’re one of those idiots that think you really had a gotcha moment by using a dictionary definition. Well, while you’re at it, go look up the definitions of physical property and intellectual property. Because guess what, stupid, when you *Sell* physical property it doesn’t *Sell* the intellectual property rights.
Its 2 different things. You can sell your beat in whole or you can sell the rights to use it!
This sounds the most logical.
Ima need it all an copyright… I’ll never do business with this dude tryna ride coattails after the business is done
Right why don’t they just tell u straight up what they want instead of throwing subliminals
He wants to sell rights to use it which would make more sense if it was a movie or a video game not to a rapper
this is how the music business works. art has a different value and no expiration date. It cost each time a song is played for life.
The work for hire thing. I think that was how Dr. Dre got screwed by Easy E back in NWA. Easy E put out that solo album first, and that gave him all the power in the group when it came to the relationship with the record company. Despite all the work they put into Easy-Duz-It, they made nothing off that record. Easy E got it all. Then when the group got their contract, the one Ice Cube didn’t sign, the contract was between them and Easy E. So NWA was his group exclusively. Then Easy had the contract with the record company. Dre got so screwed without knowing it. Until Death Row started up, everything Dre made was owned by Easy E, and was going to be that way for years until Suge Knight got them out of that contract. I think that’s how it went down. If anyone knows more, let’s hear it. ✌️.
The producer retains 50% of the publishing but the artist still has 100% of the master recording which is where most of the money will be made if the song blows up.
You can think of a beat sale like the producer selling any interest in the master, independent artists who can’t pay and say they’ll get you on the backend usually means they’ll cut you in on the master.
Is it possible for the producer to still retain some of the masters after the beat is sold exclusively? Not saying 50% on masters but somewhere around 5-10%
@@HunnaD2003 industry standard is 5%
Imma sell you this car but you still gotta take me to work because now I don’t have one. 😂😂😂wtf
Welcome to the world of licensing. Your comparison doesn’t work and it’s silly. Change the word sell to lease, because they’re leasing you the car.
@@IncognitoSprax lease and license are not the same thing, you’re silly. And honestly I didn’t ask. Take your wisdom where it’s appreciated cause Idgaf. Who tf cares? I have an opinion and so do you apparently. Instead of writing your own comment, here you are fw me.
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@@IncognitoSprax selling and leasing a beat are two different things… this is a good comparison cause how are u gonn sell me a beat and then ask for percentage? should have just leased me the beat
Brother he creates most of the song.
When the bar tender sells you the drink and then drinks half
Lmao the mental image I have is the bartender drinking half my marg and being like “lemme know what you think, that’s $13 by the way” 😂
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Nah, more like the bartender MADE the drink. Quit crying nobody
@@Notcleverenough
Sounds like you the one crying lil biihhh
i put 10,000 in to music equipment and im not even poppin like that. synths cost money. You guys dont me beat boxing and you rapping over it you want that nice synth sound that came from a yamaha which cost me 5,000 and then all the hours i put in. Yall want tay keith beats for 5 dollars lol
I'm in the music industry and this is a common issue. Producers need to bank on their success just like rappers. If no one else buys another song, I lose. If no one buys another beat you lose. Simple. Keep making beats, I'll keep writing songs. It comes down to being greedy and pocket watching. They be mad when you can make 3 different songs off one beat and collect multiple checks from it.
Who the hell does that?
You can’t make 3 songs off one beat when the agreement is more than likely for one version of the song. But even if you buy it outright and make 3, a producer would still receive royalties on each one. That’s not pocket watching, that’s business. When you’re in business and indefinitely use someone else’s skill and intellectual property to get a bag you buss down. That’s just what you do.
@@muchobandz ok bro if you believe that. I'm not arguing with a local rapper that can't break 500views
A bag, a car or a fridge is a Depreciating Asset it looses value overtime. A Hit song is an Appreciating Asset it can be sold forever the same way past the day you die as long as people want to listen money will be made over and over again and still make money that is why royalties/licenses and things like this exists because you're a team with the people you make music with, once something hits off the people you worked with benefits as well and the colaborated work pulls up not just you but the people your people/team. Why do you guys think artists love to collaborate with each other it's to make money together nothing more.
If it’s 50/50 the producer should have to pay 50% for marketing too
so they should also make 50% of all the money the artist makes playing shows?
@@user-th6rh8zp3t of course, thats what it is. they absolutely should.
@@user-th6rh8zp3tno! Because people who come to shows are there to see the artist live if the producer wants 50% then he need to come make the beat live and play it and pay for travel expenses and everything. If your not putting in the same work as the artist then you don't split the profits lol. If your putting in the same work then you get half lol
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@@user-th6rh8zp3t no, which is why it should never be 50/50. Artists doing shows and tours to promote the song. Producer making passive income doing nothing
When u buy shoes off Footlocker and cashier asking to borrow them
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If I buy a beat it's mine. If I pay for a verse it's my verse now. You not getting nothing after that. That's why these rappers broke.
you didn’t make the beat. it’s not your beat just because im lending it to you. that’s why the record splits 50/50
@@scarfacemovin I didn't make my refrigerator either. But Lowe's isn't going to get have the food I put in it. And they can't come take it. I bought it. It's mine. That's just music industry bs. Just because they made us this rule doesn't mean we have to follow it.
Depends what your contract on that beat says.
@@specterone2474 I hope you know that Lowes owns a bunch of electric companies that your fridge connects to?
@@traderjays375 That's just stupid. And has nothing to do with the conversation.
He’s the type of producer that want even shout out the music but suspect some in return
Bro the word is “expect” haha
All legitimate, professional producers work like this brotha
Now imagine going to buy a work truck and the salesman says "you can pay full price for the truck today, but just because you paid in full today doesn't mean that you don't still owe me for every load you fill" sounds crazy right?
Not the same at all
@@ATF-really is this is predatory
@@idleapex19 yes my point exactly lol that fool basically told artist that he's no longer in business
@@ATF- it's EXACTLY the same thing
Here’s what y’all don’t get in this analogy the artist is the car company the best maker is the guy who makes the frames sure the company sells the car (unit) but you still pay for the frame for every car sold
" I'm sell you this weed. However, whatever you make from it, I want some of that too "
That’s how a front work
@@ktkbleeda1619what kind of front you get where you buy it full price and gotta bring back half the profit later 😂
"This beat is both of ours, we just keep it at my house"
I use that line all the time 🤣
@Jon Doe “my bars, my money.” Yeah right might as well tell x his beats were shit, you know the ones he sold to people.
Oh wait…
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-right before you get knocked the fa out
This deserves more likes 😂😂😂
The moment he said 50 percent for the producer swear you can see the greed drip down his face
You’re right, because having extremely great musical talent and being able to make the beat (50% of the song) and doing all the mixing, means you shouldn’t get 50%. Being a producer is wayyy harder then being just the voice especially since half the bars nowadays are uninspired and repetitive
How's that greed lmao stfu.its literally how royalties should work
@@wraithenvy741 na 50% is def very excessive. I’d only agree if the producers mixed the song as well but if I’m just buying the rights or the beat itself whole sale.. your part is not 50% therefore don’t deserve 50% of “my” song. All in all it depends on the talks between both artist and prod.
@@_Trini your right! when you have songs like gucci gang, id say the beat is more like 70-80% (for songs like gucci gang)
@@_Trini ok i was joking i know what you meant, but how can you really say that the beat is less than 50% of the song when the beat is like the most important part. It can make or break the song 100% of the time. If a rapper has sick ass bars but the beat is trash, im never listening to the song ever again. But if the lyrics are ok (at least have good delivery and a few good lines) but the beat goes dumb, then it could damn well be a banger and go to the top of the charts in this day and age
And this is why Prince broke away from Warner Bros. He made sure he could market himself by playing all those damn instruments, put a fully equipped studio in his house, and could sing like it was going outta style!!! Raw talent doesn’t deal with predators they discern, regroup and earn 10 times more as a completely independent artist!!! R.I.P. Prince aka The artist formerly know as Prince
aka A musical genius 💜💜💜🕊️
Right cuz they even owned his name so he had to change it😩
I was blessed to meet Dave Chappelle at his home in Ohio and Dave is wearing a Prince shirt. Him as a teenager in highschool with an Afro. I look over in the corner of Dave’s man cave and Prince’s motorcycle from Purple Rain is there with a message to Dave written from Prince on the wind shield written in purple ink of course!! 😂
“If I sell you a bag I want to smoke half of it” 🗿
An when you flip it I want half the profit 😭
Green isn't the same. You use it and it runs out, music doesn't just go away. Why shouldn't he get paid when he made the music. Yall dumb
@@MandosCulture Makes sense, but also doesn't. You can't call people dumb when you don't explain it very clear either.
"Why shouldn't he get paid" - He got paid. He sold the beat and got paid from that.
Can you explain further in detail as to why he still then requires to get paid 50% even though he's already been paid from selling it?
If I owned a business and sold that business, I wouldn't continue to earn 50% of the profits the new owner makes.
Logical thinking, I'd assume there's different selling methods.
1) You sell exclusive rights to use the beats, but not ownership. This means that the artist is the only one who will have access to that beat for use, but doesn't have full ownership over it which means the person who sold the beat will still earn his % from sales.
2) You sell full ownership of the beats, where now the artist can do whatever he wants with it and if he decides on using it, then the person who created the beat no longer get's his %.
I would imagine the second option could come with some shit. If you fully sell your beats to where now the artist has full control over it - They can just say it's there's, give no credit, whatever - While if you just the right to use it but not own it, then it's still your beat which helps put your name out, creates you more income for to help further your career.
I'd assume the first option is pretty popular within the music industury.
@@Driiple the producers are the reason that song exists, dont like it make your own beats. He put as much artistry as the musician. Cope seethe and mald.
@@xSilentknifegaming I'd love it if you could point out the part in my comment where I'm against the producer making his money. (I quite literally explained a reasoning as to why they would earn 50% still and not 0)
I think you're getting salty with the wrong guy pal, because I agree with producers earning their fair share.
Take your low IQ brain elsewhere and learn to read.
If you’re an artist and don’t know this already or at least haven’t learned yet, you gotta a lot more learning lol
Helloooooooo every last person saying imma snake never seen a publishing check in life
@@Beezobeatz forreal lmao they on the short term they don’t see it as an investment
There's a lot that goes into a song, it can't be 50/50 split because many songs need a engineer as well.
Sometimes the beat maker gets 50% of the rappers cut and the label gets the remaining 50%
Hes the guy in middle school who sells a 0.7 for 10 and then says smoke me on it then hogs the spliff
Then tells you he'll get you on the butt end...
😂😂like shittt
Lmao on crip
Precisely
No wiggle room with bruh
Selling beats to local artists and selling beats in the industry are 2 different games.
Bingo.. but producer still has something hot.. the Artist is just a voice.
@@soundgod8380 so me a hip hop radio station or number one trending TH-cam song that’s jus a beat ..... I’ll wait
@@soundgod8380 just a voice? Producer didn't write the lyrics, didn't mix the final master, didn't provide studio time to record the song, didn't sing on the hook, didn't pay for the video, didn't pay for the sample he stole. He just made the beat.
Thats how it works, If you don't like it you can either buy the beat outright (if you can afford it)
Exactly
This why I don't deal with broke producers. He will make you hurt him. He wants to get payed two times. Get paid before you make money. Then (IF YOUR SONG HIT)He wants that money too. Foh.
Don’t have to be rich to make smart business decisions. Point is that it is an investment on both ends, whether it blows or not. It has to be agreed on beforehand, though.
Broke producers? This man earned more money from music than you.
You clearly don't understand intellectual property at all.
This is why smart producers don't charge everyone upfront. If you believe in the artist and the record you know you'll really eat off the earnings and the work that will follow up. You won't sweat the standard fees you charge everyone. Also you wouldn't want a trash artist to buy exclusive rights to your beat because you know the song won't go anywhere. The greatest producers do a lot more than just pump out beats. It's an art form.
Hell yeah this is what I'm doing now. I don't NOT SELL BEATS. if I sold beats, all my shit would sound the SAME, from over-production....
@@therealforeignwolf that makes sense.
I need to be around producers like this!
Make a catalog, copyright it and get paid for life of the residuals!
it’s supposed to be both.
This why I started making my own beats. If I don’t , I collab with my producer friends and we find an arrangement.
If he “feel the need” to take 50% forever he should give the beat for free. This only makes sense selling to small artists buying full rights for $200 or less. Professionals are paying producers 10k and up for less than 5 hours of work to make the beat and the producers doesn’t promote the song whatsoever. His success is truly dependent on the artist as well. 20% is the most royalties they should get
Ima sell you this car, but ima keep the other set of keys so I can come through, and drive it whenever I feel like it. This exactly what bruh said lmao
not the same thing, cars don't make you money after you sell it. the artist is buying a beat for 10k and then go on to make millions off the beat. Do you think the artist is the sole reason for that success?
@@Tofa_illook then type up a contract where he gets a part of the profits but where the artist don’t gotta put forth money in the beginning. Tf is this
@@charlesparent-spioneck9928 and what if the song doesn’t do numbers are you special
@@Haywood_highsmith same risk the artist takes when they pay up front.
BMW is doing that now 😂 and people are going to pay for all of it 🤣🤣🤣
and this is why ive never heard any of your beats 🤯
You probably don’t know you have
And yet you have, you just don't know it.
@@averyanders3728 who is he then?
@@user-jt6io5qk1b RIGHT 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@biggfacts6083that’s the thing we don’t know these mfs they don’t promo or shop the shit my name matter more than the mf who made a beat y am I getting the small end? Nawmean
1st step - Draft a contract. 2nd step - oh wait it’s already taken care of.
And thats why artist are learning to do their own beats, and produce and everything else that goes with it
Yeah till you realize it’s actually the other way around producers are becoming artist, these rappers ain’t doing shit but downloading presents lol
Telling artists to make they own beats is more difficult than it sounds trust that especially wit no experience 😬
Yeah but you got to start somewhere and you’ll be saving literally 50% so it’s hard but definitely worth the effort
Can’t wait to see when he speak on how the record labels selling you dreams .
That’s why I’m learning how to make beats. I need all mines
Basically produce your own music and make your own beats or buy a beat outright without them owning you in the back
Pause...
Not how the business works brotha. Keep your publishing or get screwed
If you wanna put in the years, go for it lol
Yea next beat maker please!!
This is the case with 99% of producers youngin
@@dearjohn8789 wrong kid if you don't know something just keep your mouth shut. You tried 🤡
This is a big reason why I have a lot of respect for artists that learn to produce their own music to make their own sound work. You got producers like this that want half of what you make off the song on top of what you gave them for the beat itself absolutely insane.
The producer still owns the best, you pay for the right to exclusively use it and the song wouldn’t exist without the producer anyways so it’s absolutely fair.
@@Bori.1776 no it isn't if I pay you for a beat up front wtf are you gonna take 50% for I already paid you for the beat
@@AndrewBlade if you buy a verse, the artist you bought the verse still get a percentage of that revenue too. Royalties existed long before bro did. Even the engineer who mixed the record got a chance to get in on the royalties after you paid him to do his work. It's the business.
@@Bori.1776 the beat ain't even 50% of the work so it's not fair. Unless you helping me push the record, make the music video, push the ads, create the hard copy versions etc then stfu.
@@Bori.1776 ether percentage or paid in full but both together is robbery. Us independent artist don’t have the same budget as these mainstream artists so instead of only caring about the money focus on a relationship with a artist u connect with and maybe u will make if further. Because you can have all those beats but with no one to make lyrics it’s not a song. The best producer and artist relationships are formed with good energy. Gucci mane & Zaytoven helped each other & they wouldn’t be who they are today without each other, a symbiotic relationship
He right few of my songs got took down from TH-cam early on for not purchasing beat 😅🤦🏾♂️
I’m weak 😭😭
Alchemist himself said if he’d known business like this since the beginning, he never would’ve made it as far as he has.. Freebies & collabs run the long game
Best advice I ever got that I’m barely learning to do… make your own music, produce your own projects. Doesn’t matter how shitty they are, come from the heart and put your soul in your music.
Then it will be trash
ong ain’t no one listening to that shit, kanye was a 1 of 1
@@playbizzle2675 you sound dumb. What about Russ?. He even directs and records his own music videos LOL. There’s a lot of artist you just don’t know them yet. Shit bad bunny is independent lol
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@@slystally9874 if you made it maybe
Basically If your lyrics ain't a hit on my beats you good but if it's a hit pay up lol 😂
Most people don't understand just spitting bars doesn't carry a song the BEAT does, and then the bars come... It's a contract not just selling
Most people don’t understand that making the song is only half the battle. There’s still marketing, distribution, studio time & most producers don’t do that. That comes from the artists time and money.
Pharrell said in an interview “if you don’t know the business you’ll be a victim”…
“All you need to know about the music business” is a great book to get factual information
I think the problem is we have blurred the true definition of a producer. Producers do more than “make beats” or music. They help with the vocals and recording of vocals, they make sure the right engineer is selected, they make sure the performers give their best performer not to mention countless other tasks that have NOTHING directly to do with music. If you make a beat and decide to sell it, you did a work (make a beat) for hire (pay)…if you want producer credit …then produce…
Great point!
facts
Imagine making a beat for 600$ and the song made 10 million, and you put 0 royalty on the beat. Not even a 10% on the beat. Every beat maker has his way of making business.
Yeah what your describing is two different people. A producer produces a beat. An engineer engineers the vocals. Producers do not mix vocals.
My guy you are reaching, today's producers barely know their way around fruity loops these guys aren't Ray Parker Jr. Or Quency Jones, Pharrell, Manny Fresh , No.Joe or Mike Dean ,James Dennis etc. They are generating re generated sounds from work stations or sound kits , Logic , reasons etc. They don't know sound engineering , producer doesn't just mean track currator or musicians that performance, it could include the financer ie: ( puff daddy) these dudes 10% of what it would take if they actually played the instruments soundtracking out each sound so respectfully somebody needs to be humbled cause the artist that pays takes all of the risk so how does it makes sense I pay you and give you half of proceeds after financing the whole campaign of building the song in which your beat is used; that's not how that works ,you earn your point scale with the weight you hold you not timbiland or any of the upper echelon producers who name alone would get the record placement.. Hopefully these young artists no better than to fall for this . Sale and lease is two different meanings in the music business...Stay away from dudes like this because you'll end up in a situation of feeling the need to cause harm to one cause you'll most definitely hear your beat you paid for on 10 other people mixtapes or streams
This shit went from a dream to a hobby for me when you see the business side of it it’s fuckin stressful 🤦♂️
People in the comments obviously don't know much about music business but have so much to say. This is standard practice for producers. Percentage split can vary.
That money you pay for the beat ain’t nothing but an advance
Nah u bugging
Depends on the situation. If its just a random artist with no team around him. Then sell the beat and move on. If its an artist signed to a label then deal directly with the label and get your paperwork right. Higher chance of that song becoming a hit and you dont wanna miss out on them royalty cheques.
Always get the business square no matter who the artist is. That independent might get the song placed in sync for TV if he owns it all because of the work for hire then you get nothing. Go look at Daz talk about owning not only the producer side but the publisher side as well.
This is business . Treat it like a business.
@@kennyblancocashville you don’t deserve nothing. You’d deserve what your beat costed. That’s it. You don’t deserve revenue from the artists talent
@@SwaggyTdot go read a book on the business and learn something. This is copyright LAW
@@kennyblancocashville thing is those random artist can become viral faster that we can as producers. 50/50 splits for a lease, %100 after an exclusive purchase. If they run up a bag after exclusive purchase then props to them because they took a chance with a beat and make shit happen. We as producers are an expandable asset… we literally are providing a product to the consumer. Yes, %100 should be the end goal for an artist, not me. I want artist to be in charge of their career
@@kennyblancocashville good call, a lot of people never get that far because they are still stuck on the 50/50 splits. The publisher side is a totally different ball park that a lot of people here can’t comprehend atm
You’ll have to pay me to rap on them beats if that’s the case ain’t no way I’m paying somebody to take 50% of some shit that probably wasn’t til I rap on it
On me!😂😂next!
Cap if you a guy that can write a song and tell a good story and be entertaining cool but if you're rapping and not really going no where and just bringing an energy to the track tbt the beat is doing most of the work you're reacting not beung proactive and making the beat yours the beat is making you and that man that made the beat is up shits creeks with no paddle thats how alotbif rap is nowadays back then it wasnt per se like that tge rappers made the beats theirs with all that the energy plus the lyrics for whole 9 yards nowadays the beat make the song and if you as a rapper is getting hit off my beat and you bring just your voice or just you as a character then that to pay you as a rapper when I can take this to someone else who'll do it better than you and make something with it is dumb.
@@donnyjones6717 How? You Paid Him Goof ‼️
Basically just said “don’t buy beats from me, I’ll say it’s yours and then snake you contractually”
So ima have to sell you my lyrics and melodies then .. 🤦♂️🤣🤣
A producer and a beat maker is not the same.
Explain, i need to hear you
@@verssatilebeatz7344A beat maker makes beats while a producer produces the record and can give directions on how to record the record.
Yeah and a producer and a beat maker are not the same.
“I’m gonna sell you this car but I gotta drive it on weekends “
You’re brain dead. If someone makes a beat sells it to you then you use it for your music, he’s going to get a cut because without the beat, it’s just someone rapping. You have to understand. If you don’t. You won’t ever make it far. It’s so simple.
Except the car isn’t making them money y’all obviously just don’t how this shit works
@@buyitprod196 money wasn’t the point
@@buyitprod196 the point is you sold something to somebody it should be out right theirs
@@buyitprod196 if we gonna split it 50/50 give the beat for free simple
That's why I keep my publishing at %0, so after you buy a beat from me, you don't owe me anything else 💯🎯🎯
You real bro n will make it big because of it. Can you post a link to your work? I wanna hear your stuff
Making a beat doesn't make you a producer. Mixing and mastering the song, making sure the vocals and the level are right, etc. Is what makes a producer.
Calling yourself a producer does not make you a song writer either.
@@AbsurdTV1 who said it does? You got writers, producers, engineers, plain ole beat makers, etc
PSA for all the kids on here who don't know how the business works..
ALL LEGITIMATE, PROFESSIONAL PRODUCERS AND ARTISTS WORK LIKE THIS! Yes, all your favorite artists and producers structure their contacts similar to what he's talking about in the video.
Don't go into a meeting one day and embarrass yourself talking about what you THINK you know.
Put the ego and entitlement to the side, do your homework and learn the game!
That’s why I got a beat maker my own studio and dj board shits hard to learn all of the programs but one step at a time I getting mines 🔥🔥
I hope no aspiring producer takes this man's advice. That's a great way to not have nobody buy your shit. Not only do rappers have to buy your beat AND hold you down by giving you a cut of the record, but you asking for 50% of that? Tf do you do to get that record off the ground? Stop the BS, take the 15% cut, take the promo, and keep it pushin.
It's not "his" advice, it's how the music business works. Publishing, search that.
A Hit song is an Appreciating asset it can be sold forever Unlimited way past the day you die as long as people want to listen money will be made over and over again and still make money that is why royalties/licenses and things like this exists because you're a team with the people you make music with, once something hits off the people you worked with benefits as well and you pull up the people your people/team.
@@notunknownking wrong. that is not how the general music business works. That is his personal standard. If he prefers that standard and it works for him, fine. More power to him. Don't push that shit on the average producer trying to make a name or someone just breaking out into the game. That'll tank your career before you get a chance to shine.
@@MB-yw7up Wrong. A hit song is by ALL metrics a depreciating asset. You will never sell and resell that hit song at the same price you sold it for upon release unless it becomes a transgenerational hit which a very very rare (like hitting the lottery for an artist). 99.99% of hit songs will never meet that "appreciation" requirement. That said, you tell me how you feel when you have to give up half of that shrinking royalty check but you still got a family to feed. Secondly, don't get your heart kill your brain. The music industry is a business first. The producer you made music with is not your "people/team". They are essentially coworkers. You do right by them, they do right by you. Unless that producer was *a part of your camp* from day 1 (cuz most wont be), they don't give a fuck whether you win or lose, so long as they get paid properly. Don't be naïve and leverage yourself to let that person eat off of your hard work, when they effectively contributed nothing except what you ALREADY PAID FOR!! sb: Don't forget to tip your engineers. **THEY'RE** the real mvp's.
@@OfficialP3spades Are you saying producers should give up their royalties that they are entitled to in attempts to make name for themselves? That's selling your soul!
It’s amazing to see the industry at such a divide at such a pivotal point in music evolution. Really interesting actually.
Problem is, these producers sell their beats at a premium rate and then STILL want half of the profit. Producers should definitely get their cut but damn, they want 2/3 of the pie.
Plus, producers seem to be the only ones eating, we be buying beats, just for the song to get no traction at all, man made his money on the sale, he set
@@nikninja2233 its not his problem if you did a good job or not on the beat, once you buy the beat ypu either need to create a contract saying you will own the beat if not thats his beat still he just sold you the beat part plus not the production, everyone does it
The beat is 2/3 of the song
@@nikninja2233 Ain’t the producers fault u don’t have a marketing & promotion budget 😂 barely have a production budget 🤦🏾♂️
Don't buy the beat unless they sign over the IRSC code
That's why it's good to make your own beats and do your own thing because you don't have to split the money with nobody👑🤣😂
Facts n can pay yourself if you signed
Right.. I have 3 contemporary jazz/rnb albums I produced, played all the instruments, and get %100 of my profit. My latest project is Rodney Kelley Jr "Count It Off"
He thought he was cooking. It’s okay to want a percentage, but 50 is crazy as hell
Make your own beats if you feel that way you Artist wouldn’t be doing nothing without the producer and this is why no producer wants to work with yall
A lot of people here just aren't understanding the difference between selling a beat, and selling a beat LEASE
It’s not even that, they think when you buy a beat that you now own it 😂 no you bought the right to use my work for your album , you didn’t buy ownership of this beat.
This Nigerian guy can sell ice to Eskimos ….The type of friend who would steal from your house then try to help you find it 😂
How did you know he's Nigerian?
He sounds like he's from Atlanta
Racist
Dr.Dre was a work-for-hire producer until he left Ruthless and Deathrow Records. That’s why he in better space now because he has his own production company and has work-for-hire producers working for him.
Dre fleeced alot of guys out there production rights.... Those are facts
th-cam.com/video/10MgmlcQK38/w-d-xo.html
Is part of the business. Everyone goes home happy at the end of the day unless someone decides to be greedy.
This is exactly why I learned to make my own beats
Now rappers gunn charge u to rap over ur beats
Music always comes first
@@nakking3224 you misspelled money
@@PaverPat What’s your favorite acapella rap song?
@daedae1522 I don't have one . But I also don't. Have a favorite Instrumental on my play list either.
It's way harder to to write lyrics then to slap some.samples behind a drum loop .
All this is is bad promotion.
@@PaverPat A lot if producers don’t use loops . But writing all y’all say the same stuff the same way .
glad I wasn't the only one thinking this guy was trippin hahaha
If you get an upfront, that’s it. You don’t have to do any PR or maintenance to keep it running. If you get paid upfront, that’s all you get. You don’t get to have 50% plus some. I will say though, that if you have a contract for 50%, and they register it for 100%, just sell the beat to someone else if they just renting it. Let them compete. But if it’s a matter of you wanting upfront pay so you don’t house any of the risk, and then wanting 50% of the profit, go touch grass. You aren’t the one rolling dice. You got paid
It called leasing the artist has to pay the premium if they want exclusive rights to the beat
Producers deserve more than most “rap artists” imo if yr a talented producer/beat maker just rap on your own stuff. You don’t have to be good at it
They deserve more why? Because they’re spending money on promo, videos, artwork, recording, mixing, placement, DJs, Publicist etc?
@@calripkenboi that’s sounds like the rapper problem. If the rapper can’t afford to give royalties because he is spending on promotion, then he shouldnt be in business. Producers spend on promos, videos, programs to make beat, etc. if rappers can’t afford it, then they can make their own stuff
@@calripkenboi rappers are just copy & paste now. 90% have no talent or even lyrical ability whatsoever. With the auto tune & edits rappers almost don’t do 💩 anymore. Whoever pays 💰 for the newest & best SOUND wins. Young Jeezy even admitted on Drink champs he was just laundering his drug $ & had NEVER RAPPED. He had the bag and bought his way in & learned the game as he went. Promo is easier due to the internet nowadays and you can edit everything YOURSELF. It doesn’t cost an arm and a leg anymore for the “artist”
@@paperchasentx4162 I know you don’t rap with a response like that. WSHH Instagram post cost $5,000, TH-cam $8,000 a decent video cost $1,000 studio $50 per hour and you gotta book 4hr min. Mix & Master low end $100, artwork low end $50. Photoshoot $150+ and that’s before tryna get a feature or interview. All that and it MIGHT NOT WORK. Meanwhile producer sitting in the comfort of home not taking any risk wit his ONE TIME PAYMENT for FL Studio.
@@calripkenboi naw I don’t rap but my cousin is a producer we lived together for 3yrs I seen him do half that for less than half then price for good quality & he worked AT the main radio station in Okc. You’re definitely over paying if you’re spending all that. Half of that can be self taught if you dig deep enough. Cheaper ways for all of that if you know the right people also. You can get yr OWN camera, shoot yr OWN videos. Etc etc Allocate yr resources, its possible.
Thats why its best to learn and make your own beats 100% yours
Lmao its not as easy as you think it is especially a good beat i would know because i produce beats
@@FBi_. bruh it’s so easy to make fye beats in 2022 lmao
@@lilmeechielilc4 I just went on your channel checked out your mixtape which was posted a year ago and the most you got was 13 views your beats are cheeks, your bass is to harsh and clearly didn’t even put it through the eq and your mixing is sloppy the same goes for your trash beats I’ve heard better mixing from some one banging on pots and pans and dont get me started on your dookie bars only a fool would mix a song they way you do thank you for proving my point anyone can make beats but like i stated its very few that can make a good one
You made youre mixtape seven years ago and the beats weren’t even yours you people are all cap and then for your cover art you chose a picture of yourself dressed like one of the whiz khalifa swag f@gš bruh what beats are you talking about you dint make beats at all stop the cap
This is why I started learning how to produce my own music way cheaper than studio
He’s not selling the beat he’s selling his time to make it NO ONE is crazy enough to CREATE assets selling them ALL and never have any residual income that would defeat the purpose of being in business
If you make the beat and mix and master the track and record his song at your studio and publish it i better get 50% that’s a producer. Beat maker is just a beat maker that’s different but a producer does all and everything. The artist is just recording his voice at the producers spot and his equipment 💯
ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY. If you get paid 0$ till the record is sold . U inna position to get paid doin a job , u ccan make an agreement to have payment be half or profit , but nah bruh ya can’t get both unles they dumb ash like u
Yes but that all changes if you pay for everything “session, beat, mixing and mastering.” All before I drop the song, if the contract states it then you don’t get anything from what the song makes, because I own the work now. He can get credit but that’s all. He can only get over on people who don’t read contracts.
@@allenburks276facts
Incorrect the artist has to pay for promotion, ads, videos, recording the actual song paying for the beat or beats 😂 which cost way more than paying for software and midi, plugins all together. Im saying this as a producer and artist
“Ima sell you this car, when you flip it I want 50% of what it makes.”
The catch is he is as much a part of the art as the “artist” a lot of artists can’t make a track that sells. A producer can. I get 50% for your privilege of getting the other half. Otherwise learn to doo my job.
@@GardensoftheAncientsHerbalthese people think producing Is Easy lmao. If you get pissy bout paying me do It yourself an stfu
@@vvstyy producer isn’t just an engineer nor is required to be one. The producer is the one who knows how to make the track. I didn’t say beat or engineer. The artist may write lyrics but the production decides how it goes together and designs the overall sound of the track and a lot of times approve the lyrics and often times rewrite them. And your delusional to think most artists write their own lyrics. A producer usually finds someone who wrote and produced a couple decent tracks and can carry a following and basically be a good boy or girl for the crowd then the production molds them and sets up their image, sets up the writers with the artist then directs the track not the just beat which includes the artists vocals. A composer creates the beats if they are good they may mix or master it otherwise it goes to an engineer. A producer has the connections and the taste and knows how to help you get it to the masses in a way that they can pallet and want to pay for. You obviously have zero experience in the music industry or just play around if you say such nonsense and unless you can do it all yourself which is very very unlikely you will eventually link up with a producer if you ever get anywhere in that arena…. So don’t make yourself sound dumb arguing something you obviously have zero experience with.
Comparing tangibles to intangibles. One easily copied, another has more resources and manufacturing involved, this is not an equivalent comparison.
@@vvstyynowadays it does for Shure lol