It is because the thread in the forum is dead, it's up to Gaijin decision when will Gaijin buff the F-16AM their actual HMD and PIDS that can carry missile. I have helped to bump it to the technical moderator, but it seems it only passed as suggestions.
Adding more modern aircraft is going to be hard since literally no Russian aircraft except the SU-57/MIG-35 has an AESA radar or any relevant air to air missiles. Remember that the early amraam equivalent R-77 only started being used in numbers very recently. Amraam has been around in numbers for ages with much more modern variants available now which surpass the R-77 by a long shot.
there are multiple variants of the R77, the one we have in game has high drag, but there is a variant irl with traditional fins, this would make it equivalent to the Aim 120 C
Gaijin already is tech capping most modern hardware, thus "PESA" or "AESA" radars will be most likely quick scanning PD radars like Su-34 was on early Dev server. Next generation IR missiles like 9X will be most likely using combined flare rejection (gatewidth and tracking suspension) like Stingers do for years. AMRAAM C-5 floating in the files most likely will be last version to be added with existing seekers code copypasted to it, in order to make it fit into current "framework" of ARB. If anything, Gaijin will do everything to NOT rework main game modes and they aren't quite wrong at that, amount of people complaining or just leaving whenever EC sized map appears, even in supersonic jets is not insignificant.
@rubotok3703 last I checked atleast from DCS, the R-77M which is still under development is better than the C-5 basically a contender for the 120D. The 77-1 is contender for the C-5 though having a bit less range. To further explain why the 77M was so much better than it's predecessors. It basically has 2 boosters the second booster is activated when the missile goes pitbull, giving it the extra push to keep chase or even catch up. Another thing is the removal of grid fins the 77M uses normal planar fins which reduces drag during meneuvers.
@@rubotok3703 REAL and TRUE. if you know how to find the notch, all you need is legit 1 or 2 drops of chaff to negate all incoming fox 3s. and the upward firing flare pattern is nice af too
@@killerwhale__ The J-10 single fires large caliber CM instead of double firing smaller ones, so in practice you get the equivalent of 144 small caliber CMs with its 72 releases, which while not an insane amount it's still perfectly passable for top tier
From all Top Tier jets I've played, F-16C is my favorite to play, he feels so on hands during the fights, he is good at everything even if he might not be the best in a specific role like BVR, since F-15 have more missiles, but the F-16 for me it's the perfect equilibrium of Airframe, BVR, Dogfight, Loadouts. Even that I started the game being a USSR main, now I prefer to play with my F-16 rather than my Su-27SM since it feels so much comfortable to play with.
The spreadsheet makes it seem like the gripen would be the same or better, but somehow I seem to do better and feel better in the f16c. Even though my time played is heavily skewed the other way
7:04 except for Soviet/Russian ones, all flankers will stuck with that 96-98 flares/chaffs 🙃 It’s rather enough for now but imagine how it’ll be to have 96 countermeasures while playing against 16 F-15EX’s with 22x16 = 352 120D’s in the future:D
They dont care as much that everybodys even as much as they care to shift the meta every update to encourage different nation grind that you will be enticed to buy premiums for...
The Barak II F16 C is my best top tier plane. The option to take a couple derbys for shots within 10km off bore with the hmd is really nice along with 240 countermeasures. The derby missiles are also the fastest missiles at high altitudes as well.
Sure, if you are fighting noobs. AIM120 is by far the best missile in current meta. You have to do a good notch. Fakour90 you just dont fly in straight line in the middle of the map like a retard and you are fine.
it will never get them... or their aim9m... or the mig29 and their r73 because gaijin's idiotic logic says that 12.7 CANNOT have irccm or an actual amount of flares but at 13.0 is ok and normal
IRL the 120B also has a different loft profile to make it more efficient at longer ranges (at least as far as I know/have heard from others). That's the only other real change, it is otherwise basically unchanged from the A. I do think they should model that but as of now I kinda understand why they aren't doing so, one of the reasons being the information on the B having a different loft profile is somewhat disputed. Knowing the US however, wouldn't doubt it at all (again talking IRL here).
@@Skinny6539 correct me if I'm wrong but I think the AM's flight model is better in a dogfight but a bit worse in high altitude bvr since it has less thrust
My only concern is for the December update is that if the f-18 comes, russia and china will get another naval flanker variant, which will prob be an even worse variant than Su-27sm and J-11a. so this unbalanced state will continue.. What plane do you think should come alongside f-18?
Only other thing Russia could get is the SU-30. It’s a double seater SU-27 with canards but still way lighter than the SU-33 and a major amount less than the boat called the SU-34. (Edit: China can get the J-15 which is essentially the SU-33 but lighter and better in other ways).
The J-15 would be better than the J-11A because it has the avionics of the J-11B, meaning a actually good radar, a digital RWR and PL-12s instead of RVV-AEs
F-18 won’t be as competitive due to pretty low top speed and “not the greatest”(rather bad) acceleration both on the deck and at higher altitudes. Outside dogfights it’ll be just like F-4F against F-15C/E, Su-27SM etc if F-18 is added in the same update with modern Sukhoi’s, F-15’s, Rafale’s etc, it isn’t a miracle most OP jet as many think (still very good though). it needs to be added ASAP to not become obliterated on the arrival by any other top tier jet
Britain and Germany can get the Hornet (Swiss for Germany, Canada or Australia for Hornet), and Britain could also potentially get the Su-30MKI when the Russians get their Su-30.
@@СергейНикольский-я2цi don’t think its bad for US to receive legacy hornets with its apparent weaknesses against current jets now, the US will still have the F-16C, 15C/E as top dogs and choosing the F/A-18 would only be a preference thing. That said, there is still always the Super Hornet left to be added which would be another top dog for USA and a good contender against the SU-30, Rafale and Eurofighter
I think the next big jump in planes tech will be F/A18C, early Eurofighter, early Rafale, Su-30SM. That would be a relatively balanced update. The problem will mostly be what missile do they all comes with. Meteors might be too much unless they nerf them to hell. More advanced IR would be a huge pain to deal with. TY90 is currently impossible to decoy with the double IRCCM system and it's mounted on a helicopter, I really not want to deal with that on Air RB. Undodgeable missiles aren't fun to fight with at all. I'd honestly wouldn't mind if they kept the current Aim120A/B and equivalent and just gave 77-1 to Russia to equalize a bit. Either that or give better drag value to the R-77 and better FM to the planes carrying them.
Technically the us wouldn't need the F18 in that context (not saying it shouldn't get it) The f15, F16 are a lot more capable of slinging amraams around
you say you like to bring 6 amraams and rather have no ir missile backup, what i do is take 1 aim 9m and 5 amraams, i never get to a point where i need more of either
I dont think jet planes fight like this irl just take off and spam missiles i really want atleast somewhat realistic combat in arb the spamming can be done in arcade.
i can't play at high altitude ever.. every time i try to get to altitude and sling my missiles 4 f15s on the other team have already climbed higher than me and sent 3 missiles my way..
this is supposed to be a realistic game, planes should be released with as close to irl specs as possible during the time period they were released. the f-16 was meant to be a cheap alternative to the f15. Some countries didn't develop good jets as soon as other countries.
@@SeekerHead I understand there are lots of things that aren't %100 realistic, why i said supposed. i know what you are trying to say and you know what i am trying to say. just comes down to whether you want the game balanced or true to the nature of the jets.
@@SeekerHead1.5G multiplier is actually a realistic value based on the v-n diagram but the issue is that if you pull more than 10-11Gs you are gonna cause some structural damage in the aircraft it won’t be severe but it would depend on the duration/how often you do it , and once you pull more than 1.5x(the safety limit) it would lead to catastrophic failure. In game gaijin can implement this by turning your wings(+some random parts ?) yellow-orange-red-black depending on how much time you spend over the safety limit. This could bring an interesting change where people will be forced to dogfight carefully.
Idk why people keep saying the block15 is better on dogfight than the f16c clock50. I would agree it it was the old block10, but the block15 is just about on par or a tad worse than the block50
It's better not as good as the block 10 but definitely better than the block 50, the block 50 behaves more realistically at lower speed it stalls and loses nose authority, the block 10 however is a different story literally never stalls in a fight between the 10 and 50 the 50 will lose everytime. It's easier to try it out than to explain.
is f-14 fox3 any good in warthunder these days ? I want to go back to WT, Ive got most of the top tier tech trees for aircrafts but i quit war thunder one year ago, finished my US line with F-14B and I am just wondering is there any good changes for the F-14 ? I quit WT mostly for DCS but i feel like i might go back again grind my 6k+ hours in WT legacy :D
Honestly i kinda think that they should add next update since we already know its comming and after that stop adding shit for awhile and fix current jets. A lot of them dont have missiles they need to have, a lot of them have their flight model destroyed. They need to stop adding new jets and focus on fixing curent ones. Also give every jet its loadout. Original mig going without r73 is a joke. The flight model is a joke. Also BR needs to increase for some jets. Like F15 and F15E neeeeeed to have higher BRs. Mig29 SMT with its current nerfed flight model going against F15 is a joke.
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@@DraconixDGperhaps maybe it’s because it was 4 hours before you found this 🤣🤣🤣
Why do you sound like spookson
The 16AM had a report accepted on its HMD but it's been left on accepted for months
The rwr in the cockpit is broken and it has the old Radar MFD
the mig29smt had its thermal pod accepted for almost 2 years, its not gonna be fast comrade
Gaijin hates france ofc
It is because the thread in the forum is dead, it's up to Gaijin decision when will Gaijin buff the F-16AM their actual HMD and PIDS that can carry missile. I have helped to bump it to the technical moderator, but it seems it only passed as suggestions.
@@specc_s1452also Mirage F1CT still retain Mirage F1 Cockpit despite it should be new.
Adding more modern aircraft is going to be hard since literally no Russian aircraft except the SU-57/MIG-35 has an AESA radar or any relevant air to air missiles. Remember that the early amraam equivalent R-77 only started being used in numbers very recently. Amraam has been around in numbers for ages with much more modern variants available now which surpass the R-77 by a long shot.
there are multiple variants of the R77, the one we have in game has high drag, but there is a variant irl with traditional fins, this would make it equivalent to the Aim 120 C
Gaijin already is tech capping most modern hardware, thus "PESA" or "AESA" radars will be most likely quick scanning PD radars like Su-34 was on early Dev server. Next generation IR missiles like 9X will be most likely using combined flare rejection (gatewidth and tracking suspension) like Stingers do for years. AMRAAM C-5 floating in the files most likely will be last version to be added with existing seekers code copypasted to it, in order to make it fit into current "framework" of ARB.
If anything, Gaijin will do everything to NOT rework main game modes and they aren't quite wrong at that, amount of people complaining or just leaving whenever EC sized map appears, even in supersonic jets is not insignificant.
@rubotok3703 last I checked atleast from DCS, the R-77M which is still under development is better than the C-5 basically a contender for the 120D. The 77-1 is contender for the C-5 though having a bit less range.
To further explain why the 77M was so much better than it's predecessors. It basically has 2 boosters the second booster is activated when the missile goes pitbull, giving it the extra push to keep chase or even catch up. Another thing is the removal of grid fins the 77M uses normal planar fins which reduces drag during meneuvers.
@@rubotok3703 R-77M is equivalent to D not C, that is R-77-1
@@mangosuppe8706 I uh i never mentioned the specific R-77 variant but yeah
the minimum for top tier is honestly these, the j10 with 6 arh and 2 ir with irccm is perfect, nice and balanced
J-10 has like 2 countermeasures total
@@killerwhale__ I've never had an issue with it's number of pops, 46 pops and you can avoid most missiles without chaff at all
@@rubotok3703 REAL and TRUE. if you know how to find the notch, all you need is legit 1 or 2 drops of chaff to negate all incoming fox 3s. and the upward firing flare pattern is nice af too
it has like 70-80
@@killerwhale__ The J-10 single fires large caliber CM instead of double firing smaller ones, so in practice you get the equivalent of 144 small caliber CMs with its 72 releases, which while not an insane amount it's still perfectly passable for top tier
To show just how balanced it is, I said outloud "Wait there's a new F-16", because noone is talking about how garbage or OP it is
It’s actually not new lol, it came last update with the J10
@SeekerHead so unremarkable I don't even know when it came out. You talking about the french made me confuse it with the 15 new french leo2s
Lmao
3:00 - simple, Snail painted themselves into a corner and they need to keep grind furnace lit as their near exclusive monetization source.
From all Top Tier jets I've played, F-16C is my favorite to play, he feels so on hands during the fights, he is good at everything even if he might not be the best in a specific role like BVR, since F-15 have more missiles, but the F-16 for me it's the perfect equilibrium of Airframe, BVR, Dogfight, Loadouts. Even that I started the game being a USSR main, now I prefer to play with my F-16 rather than my Su-27SM since it feels so much comfortable to play with.
Right
The spreadsheet makes it seem like the gripen would be the same or better, but somehow I seem to do better and feel better in the f16c. Even though my time played is heavily skewed the other way
Gaijin doesn’t think before adding
7:04 except for Soviet/Russian ones, all flankers will stuck with that 96-98 flares/chaffs 🙃
It’s rather enough for now but imagine how it’ll be to have 96 countermeasures while playing against 16 F-15EX’s with 22x16 = 352 120D’s in the future:D
They dont care as much that everybodys even as much as they care to shift the meta every update to encourage different nation grind that you will be enticed to buy premiums for...
The Barak II F16 C is my best top tier plane. The option to take a couple derbys for shots within 10km off bore with the hmd is really nice along with 240 countermeasures. The derby missiles are also the fastest missiles at high altitudes as well.
Fakour 90 is actually the best radar homing missile in the game
Sure, if you are fighting noobs. AIM120 is by far the best missile in current meta. You have to do a good notch. Fakour90 you just dont fly in straight line in the middle of the map like a retard and you are fine.
7:13 ejection seat for the rescue!
Still waiting for 180 flares on Netz...
WHERE DID YOU COME FROM LEE!?!?
it will never get them... or their aim9m... or the mig29 and their r73 because gaijin's idiotic logic says that 12.7 CANNOT have irccm or an actual amount of flares but at 13.0 is ok and normal
not to mention the f-16 mlu's missing 30 flares, or missing, aim 120s, or missing aim 9ms (china totally suffers ignore the j-10 and m2k)
@@Dunnay48same with the Italian f-16 should have its amraams and the 9 L the ice has
@@bradentucker4854oh yeah i forgot that one too, how does gaijin forget 2 countries that are supposed to have amraams lol
IRL the 120B also has a different loft profile to make it more efficient at longer ranges (at least as far as I know/have heard from others). That's the only other real change, it is otherwise basically unchanged from the A. I do think they should model that but as of now I kinda understand why they aren't doing so, one of the reasons being the information on the B having a different loft profile is somewhat disputed. Knowing the US however, wouldn't doubt it at all (again talking IRL here).
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Seek speakes so maturly and gentlemenly, and i love it. Also, best decal between other ytbers
Haha thanks man
also, the f16am does at least have a slightly better flight model, so that’s meant to be the balancing aspect of it i think
Not slightly, way better
It's lighter
@@Skinny6539 correct me if I'm wrong but I think the AM's flight model is better in a dogfight but a bit worse in high altitude bvr since it has less thrust
As a Gripen player,
I do enjoy a good duel with an F-16.
A duel between an F-16 and Gripen feels like it could go either way.
I never ever win dogfights with the f16a vs Jas39
F16A slams grippy, F16C loses.
@@reinni2968F16A definitely doesn’t slap the Gripen… I’d be happy to 1v1 you in either aircraft
@OiOi-Jim It definitely does. Kind of a close fight but if equally skilled pilots f16a wins 8/10 games.
@@reinni2968 what’s your GT so I can show you
Mlu still missing 30 flares and it's 9m's and 120
My only concern is for the December update is that if the f-18 comes, russia and china will get another naval flanker variant, which will prob be an even worse variant than Su-27sm and J-11a. so this unbalanced state will continue.. What plane do you think should come alongside f-18?
Only other thing Russia could get is the SU-30. It’s a double seater SU-27 with canards but still way lighter than the SU-33 and a major amount less than the boat called the SU-34.
(Edit: China can get the J-15 which is essentially the SU-33 but lighter and better in other ways).
The J-15 would be better than the J-11A because it has the avionics of the J-11B, meaning a actually good radar, a digital RWR and PL-12s instead of RVV-AEs
@@ICECAPPEDSKYyou are forgetting the MIG29K it’s probably going to be the plane that comes with the f18
@@Serkay64 I guess a flanker with pl-12 would be good
@@nik4091 Is mig-29k an upgrade over mig-29smt tho? I was thinking maybe mig-29m could be an option, maybe with 6 or 4 R-77-1
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We need the SU30, Rafale M, and maybe a Hal Tejas for Britain, Germany can get the f18C for competitive top tier
F-18 won’t be as competitive due to pretty low top speed and “not the greatest”(rather bad) acceleration both on the deck and at higher altitudes. Outside dogfights it’ll be just like F-4F against F-15C/E, Su-27SM etc if F-18 is added in the same update with modern Sukhoi’s, F-15’s, Rafale’s etc, it isn’t a miracle most OP jet as many think (still very good though). it needs to be added ASAP to not become obliterated on the arrival by any other top tier jet
Britain and Germany can get the Hornet (Swiss for Germany, Canada or Australia for Hornet), and Britain could also potentially get the Su-30MKI when the Russians get their Su-30.
@@СергейНикольский-я2цi don’t think its bad for US to receive legacy hornets with its apparent weaknesses against current jets now, the US will still have the F-16C, 15C/E as top dogs and choosing the F/A-18 would only be a preference thing. That said, there is still always the Super Hornet left to be added which would be another top dog for USA and a good contender against the SU-30, Rafale and Eurofighter
@@СергейНикольский-я2цwatch su-30 break the record for speed bleed and lose to every other 4th gen fighter in a dogfight.
@@jacobbaumgardner3406why wouldn't Germany and Britain get the eurofighter when they add the rafale m
I think the next big jump in planes tech will be F/A18C, early Eurofighter, early Rafale, Su-30SM. That would be a relatively balanced update. The problem will mostly be what missile do they all comes with. Meteors might be too much unless they nerf them to hell. More advanced IR would be a huge pain to deal with. TY90 is currently impossible to decoy with the double IRCCM system and it's mounted on a helicopter, I really not want to deal with that on Air RB. Undodgeable missiles aren't fun to fight with at all.
I'd honestly wouldn't mind if they kept the current Aim120A/B and equivalent and just gave 77-1 to Russia to equalize a bit. Either that or give better drag value to the R-77 and better FM to the planes carrying them.
Technically the us wouldn't need the F18 in that context (not saying it shouldn't get it)
The f15, F16 are a lot more capable of slinging amraams around
0:26 Ight bet.
you say you like to bring 6 amraams and rather have no ir missile backup, what i do is take 1 aim 9m and 5 amraams, i never get to a point where i need more of either
F16AM just will be the new plane of my country, cant wait for the skins
first f16 in war thunder who has its loadout on the right pylons. o7
its not the most balanced. its the bar everything is oriented on
That by default kind of sounds like most balanced to me
@@SeekerHead yes it is. and its still the benchmark today. ok maybe its the f22 but keep in WT :)
j10 also feels like an almost perfect fit at the time
I dont think jet planes fight like this irl just take off and spam missiles i really want atleast somewhat realistic combat in arb the spamming can be done in arcade.
I think a team size reduction would help
Hello seek I was just wondering could you play the F-15A and is it still usable in this Fox 3 environment
The aim 120b had its fins clipped at the ends so it also had a slightly longer range
that's the C, not the B
@ ohhh
God I love the Mirage 2000
i can't play at high altitude ever.. every time i try to get to altitude and sling my missiles 4 f15s on the other team have already climbed higher than me and sent 3 missiles my way..
The F 16 AM has an HMD just only for the IR missiles and not the radar tho..
agree just with the eurofighter comin in at the same time as the f15e, mabe the f15ex with less missles or smth
Still waiting on F16c to get gbu39s and gbu54s
Please do a video on the different radars and when to use them. Specifically SRC PDV HDN. Should I only use that when the enemy is in the clouds?
the only 2 planes I want are the Mig-25/31
this is supposed to be a realistic game, planes should be released with as close to irl specs as possible during the time period they were released. the f-16 was meant to be a cheap alternative to the f15. Some countries didn't develop good jets as soon as other countries.
Hmm yes every plane on a 1.5x G multiplier super realistic!
@@SeekerHead I understand there are lots of things that aren't %100 realistic, why i said supposed. i know what you are trying to say and you know what i am trying to say. just comes down to whether you want the game balanced or true to the nature of the jets.
@@SeekerHead1.5G multiplier is actually a realistic value based on the v-n diagram but the issue is that if you pull more than 10-11Gs you are gonna cause some structural damage in the aircraft it won’t be severe but it would depend on the duration/how often you do it , and once you pull more than 1.5x(the safety limit) it would lead to catastrophic failure. In game gaijin can implement this by turning your wings(+some random parts ?) yellow-orange-red-black depending on how much time you spend over the safety limit. This could bring an interesting change where people will be forced to dogfight carefully.
Mitsubishi F-2 would be nice if japan could get that
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Uhhhhh
How do you switch targets so fast in the radar????
How to you get TWS range to 74km?
Idk why people keep saying the block15 is better on dogfight than the f16c clock50. I would agree it it was the old block10, but the block15 is just about on par or a tad worse than the block50
It's better not as good as the block 10 but definitely better than the block 50, the block 50 behaves more realistically at lower speed it stalls and loses nose authority, the block 10 however is a different story literally never stalls in a fight between the 10 and 50 the 50 will lose everytime. It's easier to try it out than to explain.
@@Dy4me only slightly better instantaneous turn, but the F-16C matches the block10 on sustained and surpasses the block15
is f-14 fox3 any good in warthunder these days ? I want to go back to WT, Ive got most of the top tier tech trees for aircrafts but i quit war thunder one year ago, finished my US line with F-14B and I am just wondering is there any good changes for the F-14 ? I quit WT mostly for DCS but i feel like i might go back again grind my 6k+ hours in WT legacy :D
F14 is still good since you will play against noobs that go straight to middle and die to phoenix or fakour missile that you have.
F14 is still good since you will play against noobs that go straight to middle and die to phoenix or fakour missile that you have.
@@vasilije94 yeah i doubt that, already tested, nothing of those scenarios u mentioned are happening ;)
Why did you take a mix of 120s and derbys?
derbys perform better at close range
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They should add data-link
They have it, it’s called “spotting system” it’s just very buggy 😂 (this is a joke)
yo how do i redeem your decal ? i’m so lost cuz the link jst takes me to the store, idk where i can redeem your decal
you have to buy something
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Good vid
im a longtime viewer but i always forget to sub so here is a new sub!
Thanks man
@@SeekerHead no problem mate!
I wish the Japanese had a C model.
They didnt even had a f16 A 😅, but F2 will be better than f16c I think 😊
@@carlosadonayguardadogaleas6150it should be a lot better, but we will see
@@carlosadonayguardadogaleas6150yeah, F2 should be on par with...I think the block 60/62 iirc
The f16 is over performing lol has 1°more of sustained turn than it should have
this vide is great
Honestly i kinda think that they should add next update since we already know its comming and after that stop adding shit for awhile and fix current jets. A lot of them dont have missiles they need to have, a lot of them have their flight model destroyed. They need to stop adding new jets and focus on fixing curent ones. Also give every jet its loadout. Original mig going without r73 is a joke. The flight model is a joke. Also BR needs to increase for some jets. Like F15 and F15E neeeeeed to have higher BRs. Mig29 SMT with its current nerfed flight model going against F15 is a joke.
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Treating your videos like the Bible lmao
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I skipped anyway :)
Hi seek 🥰
The F16AM gets a maws and the better flight model so I think it is a fair trade for not having hmd
It should have hmd, though it isn't for balance, Gaijin is just lazy
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