When the next person on facebook talks crap about dry spots on apu and how liquid metal moves to one side when vertical and can leak, I'm linking them this video
Great teardown Joey. Thank you for the mention too. Here's to 100k 🎉 The liquid metal is definitely proving to be an issue and I think it will be going forward on this revision too. Sony really need to change how these things are put together at the factory 😮
Always enjoy your videos.. We all know that the surfaces in these units, or any consumer products for that matter, are not manufactured or machined to exacting microscopic tolerances. That is why we have to use things like thermal paste and liquid metal to fill in the gaps. That is their job. My question is this, If you applied the liquid metal to the APU and heat sink like you did @15:36 then reassembled the PS5 and let it sit for a while, maybe move/bump it around a little bit in an attempt to simulate light shipping/use, when you open it back up would you find the liquid metal covering the processor as it did when you reapplied it or would you find the liquid metal as you did when you first opened the PS5, with bare spots/patches. I think it would be as you first found it with a spot that didnt seem to be covered, most likely that spot. I think that the surface of the processor and the surface of the heat sink are not perfectly flat or aligned with each other and would not mate together or lay perfectly flat together for a miriade of manufacturing reasons including machining/manufacturing of surfaces, the amount of solder applied to the processor, heat applied, ect.. If the bare spot, which seems to be in roughly the same spot each time, is microscopically closer together than the rest of the surface area, then the liquid metal, being a liquid of sorts, would naturally be thinner and seemingly nonexistent in that spot. I have seen thermal paste on some systems exhibit the same phenomena, albeit to a lesser degree. But under sufficient clamping pressure all mating surfaces are making contact, it is only when you relieve that pressure does the cohesive nature of the material allow it to contract/group together, with paste a little, liquid more so. Try experimenting with a flat surface, a flat piece of glass/clear plastic and water or any solution that is somewhere between a liquid and a paste.. I could be wrong, but until that is proven, then I am right. The truth is out there...
Extremely interesting way to look at it, thank you for the comment 😊 I've worked on a few PS5's now, and can confidently say that when I remove the board from the bottom part of the chassis and turn it over to reveal the liquid metal, on MOST occasions I can see that the metal has been spread all over the die at least. The issue with this one for me, was that it looked like the liquid metal hadn't even been in contact with a certain part of the die, that's my bad completely for not explaining that more thoroughly. When you relieve the pressure between the plates, it's going to cause movement in the metal 100%, and it wouldn't of looked like that when the plates were pushed together. Maybe that was the case on this, I've just never seen such a clean die 😂
Valid response, Personal experiences are hard to challenge. But still, Since this board had not been opened before, It would be interesting to see what the die looked like after you reapplied the liquid metal properly, reassemble the system completely and then pulled it back apart. Would it be fully covered as when you reapplied it, or would it be like you originally found it. I guess the world will never know. It was kind of you to respond..Thank You... @@JoeyDoesTech
I’ve seen a few teardowns now and all have mentioned the poorly applied Liquid Metal. I think this is going to force Sony to issue a version update or at the very least they’ll have to tweak their factory processes.
I remember reading an article a while ago, that Torx screws are better for automated production processes. Maybe the original PS5 was produced in a different factory or the factory upgraded to newer machines between the models.
Thanks! I'm already subscribed but your shout out to Phil is majestic. You are right he does so much for the repair community. You also deserve an acknowledgment for it to.
Joey that's not how you look at the controller's info to know if they're newer. Check right above the "Sony" logo on the back where it says "FFCID". The numbers end with number 1 and no letter for the first ones, then after the 1 comes with an "A", then with a "B" and the Volcanic Red ones end with a "C".
Hey Joey now i have a 2nd hand switch v1 in Mint condition, everyting ok except turns on, Nintendo logo appears and then power off... Nobody knows the failure, do yo know it? Maybe cpu dead?
The controller there may be a difference in the triggers. There was a revision change about a year ago and the model is the same and there is a small indicator with a letter.
I've seen the liquid metal oxidation/dry spots complain on many repair channels. BUT Is there even any evidence this affects the temperatures in any way? Beacuse I have not seen one.
Ok so I know you can add a disc drive after but with registering it can you then say use that drive on another slim or is it then locked to your console ? Any one know ? As always Joey great video thanks to you pal
Cant suport Phil anymore sorry, not after his comments about someones family on a stream, the guy deserved a ban for sure but then Phil started bad mouthing his family which is not ok. He is a good repair guy but that made me realise not such a good guy.
When the next person on facebook talks crap about dry spots on apu and how liquid metal moves to one side when vertical and can leak, I'm linking them this video
I did and they still want to argue, I'll let them keep being stupid
Well to be fair their are literally tens of millions of PS5’s out there standing upright with no issues at all.
dont sit mine vertical so wouldnt know
Great teardown Joey. Thank you for the mention too. Here's to 100k 🎉 The liquid metal is definitely proving to be an issue and I think it will be going forward on this revision too. Sony really need to change how these things are put together at the factory 😮
Nice teardown, though I really wish they would stop using liquid metal...
Nuvoton bought Panasonic's IC business a couple of years ago, I guess they finally got around to rebranding their fresh production.
Thankyou! :)
Always enjoy your videos.. We all know that the surfaces in these units, or any consumer products for that matter, are not manufactured or machined to exacting microscopic tolerances. That is why we have to use things like thermal paste and liquid metal to fill in the gaps. That is their job. My question is this, If you applied the liquid metal to the APU and heat sink like you did @15:36 then reassembled the PS5 and let it sit for a while, maybe move/bump it around a little bit in an attempt to simulate light shipping/use, when you open it back up would you find the liquid metal covering the processor as it did when you reapplied it or would you find the liquid metal as you did when you first opened the PS5, with bare spots/patches. I think it would be as you first found it with a spot that didnt seem to be covered, most likely that spot. I think that the surface of the processor and the surface of the heat sink are not perfectly flat or aligned with each other and would not mate together or lay perfectly flat together for a miriade of manufacturing reasons including machining/manufacturing of surfaces, the amount of solder applied to the processor, heat applied, ect.. If the bare spot, which seems to be in roughly the same spot each time, is microscopically closer together than the rest of the surface area, then the liquid metal, being a liquid of sorts, would naturally be thinner and seemingly nonexistent in that spot. I have seen thermal paste on some systems exhibit the same phenomena, albeit to a lesser degree. But under sufficient clamping pressure all mating surfaces are making contact, it is only when you relieve that pressure does the cohesive nature of the material allow it to contract/group together, with paste a little, liquid more so. Try experimenting with a flat surface, a flat piece of glass/clear plastic and water or any solution that is somewhere between a liquid and a paste.. I could be wrong, but until that is proven, then I am right. The truth is out there...
Exactly right! I've been saying this since they came out. Couldn't have said it better myself! 🤘
Extremely interesting way to look at it, thank you for the comment 😊 I've worked on a few PS5's now, and can confidently say that when I remove the board from the bottom part of the chassis and turn it over to reveal the liquid metal, on MOST occasions I can see that the metal has been spread all over the die at least. The issue with this one for me, was that it looked like the liquid metal hadn't even been in contact with a certain part of the die, that's my bad completely for not explaining that more thoroughly.
When you relieve the pressure between the plates, it's going to cause movement in the metal 100%, and it wouldn't of looked like that when the plates were pushed together. Maybe that was the case on this, I've just never seen such a clean die 😂
Valid response, Personal experiences are hard to challenge. But still, Since this board had not been opened before, It would be interesting to see what the die looked like after you reapplied the liquid metal properly, reassemble the system completely and then pulled it back apart. Would it be fully covered as when you reapplied it, or would it be like you originally found it. I guess the world will never know. It was kind of you to respond..Thank You... @@JoeyDoesTech
You’re more than welcome bud. TheCod3r has that PS5 for the time being, so maybe he’ll do a tear down of it and we will see soon 😄
Really nice to see a teardown from a repair point of view. Feels more thorough than a gamer.
I’ve seen a few teardowns now and all have mentioned the poorly applied Liquid Metal. I think this is going to force Sony to issue a version update or at the very least they’ll have to tweak their factory processes.
im also from the uk , can confirm we only just got the PS5 slim, thanks joey for the tear down i am sure it will come in handy some day lol
I remember reading an article a while ago, that Torx screws are better for automated production processes. Maybe the original PS5 was produced in a different factory or the factory upgraded to newer machines between the models.
ah very interesting, makes sense!
human workers still manualy screw in assembly lines.
Nice video as always Joey!
Thanks! I'm already subscribed but your shout out to Phil is majestic. You are right he does so much for the repair community. You also deserve an acknowledgment for it to.
Thankyou so much. I think you're the first person to comment with a tip, so it's really appreciated!
@@JoeyDoesTech no bother. I like to pay some value for the much value I get
I really appreciate that :)
Joey that's not how you look at the controller's info to know if they're newer. Check right above the "Sony" logo on the back where it says "FFCID". The numbers end with number 1 and no letter for the first ones, then after the 1 comes with an "A", then with a "B" and the Volcanic Red ones end with a "C".
you've got Hair again! much better, especially for the winter!
Good video as always! Subscribed to him right away sir! Hopefully hell make the 100k soon🎉
Intresting video there Joey that LM not good how it wasnt applied very good
Really good video Joey! I honestly would love more videos like this
Thanks! :)
Should I use my ps5 slim horizontal as a precaution? (Liquid metal)
JDT teardown? Get the Popcorn! Great Video. Thank you. 😁
You're welcome Ajaks :)
Hey Joey now i have a 2nd hand switch v1 in Mint condition, everyting ok except turns on, Nintendo logo appears and then power off... Nobody knows the failure, do yo know it? Maybe cpu dead?
I love it. Engagement! Engagement!!
phil is good dude long time ago i found him and hes just weird diferent but doing cool stuff to xD
The controller there may be a difference in the triggers. There was a revision change about a year ago and the model is the same and there is a small indicator with a letter.
Also it changes bk to it original and works
Amazing!!🔥🔥🤩
well, that's gonna skew the spreadsheet
Can you please show the front IO panels with USB-C and without metal cover?
Great video again !
T8 torx probably as less likely to get stripped. I assume people overtightened those screws for good contact.
The dis drive is only interchangeable with ps5 slim & digital slim not the original ps5
Does the console come with an extra plate then with space for the disc drive Joey?
FYI The controller most likely is the newest revision bdm-030 version. It is not compatible with the parts from 010 and 020.
I even seen 040! :O
Joey, why do you use a cake mat?
Most cooking mats are better and more heat resistant than all the fancy mats coming out of the tech community...
I like food 😊
Phil is a great repair tech can be a bit heavy on the language sometimes
What am I doing wrong, how do I get back my old Xbox one avatar and games onto my new Xbox X I just can’t figure it out??
Pc gaming is the only way to game ❤
I've seen the liquid metal oxidation/dry spots complain on many repair channels.
BUT
Is there even any evidence this affects the temperatures in any way? Beacuse I have not seen one.
There's not...
Ok so I know you can add a disc drive after but with registering it can you then say use that drive on another slim or is it then locked to your console ? Any one know ?
As always Joey great video thanks to you pal
You can tronicsfix did just that test.
@@zul_fix ah ok cool to know thanks
I'm impressed by the PS5 Slim.
No gloves needed and most importantly no horrid nicotine smell!
Nice ;)
Buying. The. New. PS5. Slim. To. Take. It. Apart
I'm cooked for sure 💀
W Video
You should measure all the things.
At least you could make us from others countries ables to give it a try, before you'd destroy it. Namastè.
1st one here Joey!
Liquid metall, failed techology from the start...
Liquid Metal is fine. It is the application of it that is at fault...
Cant suport Phil anymore sorry, not after his comments about someones family on a stream, the guy deserved a ban for sure but then Phil started bad mouthing his family which is not ok. He is a good repair guy but that made me realise not such a good guy.