I'll never forget the first time i fought shadows of yharnam, the vibes alone make it my favorite gank of all time. My first gatekeepers for bloodborne ultimately turned into the most confortable fight in the game for me.
Final phase scared me so bad lol Didn’t see the giant snakes until they were attacking me. On a no level up run I think they’re one of the hardest main game fights. Lots of one shots and they’re erratic. And there’s three!
The fight is so scuffed though. They can hit you through walls which completely ruins the point of a gank fight, splitting them up. Also the snakes are rng and can completely 1 shot you. And the runback takes forever. What a shit boss
@@firstorderblade4432 Long boss run back aside, the Shadows of Yharnam are one of the best gank fights period. They each take turns engaging you, each with their own levels of aggression and focusing on different aspects of combat- this in turn makes the fight more manageable when you are able to realise what the fight wants from you. It asks of you to show skilful balance in taking down each Shadow equally so that you only have to deal with two Shadows in phase 2 (get them all to a third hp and then kill one Shadow during its phase transformation). The snake will only one shot you if you have low enough health or if you are already dodging at which point you will receive extra damage from the counter damage system- it requires knowledge of when they will use it but easily countered by bursting down each Shadow while they are low. Peak gank.
@@nathanrcb4066 They don't each take turns engaging you. I'll be fighting the caster and I'll get hit through the gravestone by the two melee ones because they have an attack that tracks you through walls and has infinite range It doesn't matter if the snake doesn't one shot you, its still an rng attack with no pattern to it that can easily stunlock you to death And no, this is not peak gank fight. Peak gank fight is one you have to use a strategy for, but you don't need to try and cheese it for the fight to be fair. Take demon princes, you can kill either one whenever you want for a different fight, but that aside, its just fast paced fun combat. No stupid gimmicky bullshit that feels like an unfair death. Same with abyss watchers, or pontiff, etc
@@firstorderblade4432 Not entirely what you're on about but they do engage you mostly in turns, not Mantis Lords style but still with enough strategy between the individual Shadows. Their attacks will often compliment each others, e.g. sword Shadow pushes you while candle Shadow forces you onto the defensive. You also are clearly missing the audio and visual tell for the snake attack, no two ways about it I'm afraid. That's not to say they can't sync up weirdly, especially if you try and go into the fight with no strategy yourself as you say. To state that the fight requires no strategy and you have to cheese it in order for it to be fair is a complete misunderstanding of the fight, gank fights in general and how to approach unique fights meant to challenge how comfortable you will be with the combat by that point. There is not liking a boss due to bias and then there is not licking a boss for fair and valid criticisms, your views ain't it.
2 things about this video 1) I’m surprised at the amount of great multi boss fights in DS3. 2) I was more and more worried that Darklurker wasn’t going be on this list, specially when OnS appeared at 4th. Gotta way I was pleasently surprised with it’s ranking, it’s not easy to be that good of a fight in DS2 combat.
Just finished Lies of P recently and, even though you put them near the bottom of your boss list for the game, I thought the Black Rabbit Brotherhood was the best gank fight I'd ever seen. For a start they each have distinct and actually pretty nuanced personalities which is something most gank fights just don't bother with at all. They even interact with each other well and you can really feel that they are a family who love each other without lessening their ruthlessness as despite their differences they all share the opinion that it's them vs everyone else. Each of the movesets are fun and distinct with their own strengths and weaknesses that are well reflected in their designs and personalities. It was not a surprise that the small dual wielding woman would be frail and fast and the big mute with a buster sword would be slow and tanky. Likewise the talkative leader plays tricky, mixing ranged and close up attacks and actually using the prosthetic that was up to this point a protagonist only item. And finally the goofy one with a bucket on his head acts as sort of a wild card, veering wildly between passiveness and aggressiveness, either killing you in a few seconds or dying in a few seconds. Being able to choose how many of the four you want to fight at once, is not something I think I've seen any other gank fight do, but leads to some good decision making as you weigh the risks of just trying to rush it with all four against extending the fight by fighting them one at a time. It even sort of acts as a real time difficulty slider, where if you doing too well the game will step up the difficulty by tossing in another Rabbit. All of this makes the fight genuinely have a lot of variety so it never feels stale. It took me hours but the time absolutely flew by because, even though there are still patterns to recognise, every attempt felt different. To me it perfectly balanced the "call and response" and "think on your feet" methods of beating souls likes, with a cool atmosphere, actual build up (seriously most of the bosses in those games are people we meet when the fight starts), and some nice tragic lore. This ended up longer than I wanted but I needed to defend them from the slander in your Lies of P boss ranking, because they are seriously my favourite from the game, and genuinely have a lot to make them stand out from other ganks. Music is pretty mid though.
Both those fights suck ugh lies of P got annoying for me after new game plus 5 since I kept messing up the side missions fighting them over and over again sucked thank goodness I got past it that play felt nice
the Rabbit Brotherhood is a great fight, but honestly, its greatness is mostly in how it lets you opt out of it being a gank. The rematch is pretty miserable (easily the worst boss in the game for challenge runs), so I wouldn't say their movesets really go that well together. The strength of the first fight is that it's just a series of 1v1's against 4 different enemies that take turns. Really fun concept, but I probably wouldn't include it in a list like this
Darklurker really stood out in DS2, it's the one fight where adding a second enemy actually elevates the fight imo it could even be a bit harder, but then itd really suck cus of the runback. A boss like that right after a bonfire, but slightly harder would be a ton of fun
Agni and Rudra in dmc3 really won my heart they’re attacks are so perfectly synched. You even get some cool swords based on their elements afterwards. I also love The Black Rabbit Brotherhood in Lies Of P it was difficult but satisfying, when the eldest loses health another member will try and jump you, but if you beat the brother who jumped into the fight, they dont bother you anymore so its kind of like a gauntlet.
I do agree that darklurker was always a really cool fight I just played lies of P and I would put the black rabbit brotherhood somewhere there If I had to add one from another game genre I would put the inkblights from don't starve together they are 3 independent AI and their attacks flawlessly play off of one another with one being fast and mobile the other big and able to grab you and immobilize you and the other creating a mini bullet hell... They even got a death combo if you get grabbed by the big guy that stunlocks you And the big guy is also really fun and actually difficult by himself once the other 2 die
Fun fact: with enough aggresion and proper weapon you can get both demon princes into the same mode by repeatedly riposting one. You mentioned that they're on a timer, i guess it stops counting during a riposte. My source is that it happened to me, i was using a +10 zweihander with minimal stats (13 strength, 11 dex)
Shoutout to Lies of P's Black Brotherhood first fight. That fight uses ganks to serve as phases, and mostly uses passive AI to keep the fight fair. The result is a pretty consistently challenging endurance fight, with no huge spikes in difficulty.
Demon princes AI is far too easy to understand and becomes mind numbingly boring on subsequent playthroughs no quick thinking, no advanced positioning and no moves requiring actual good timing.
My top gank fights: 5- kaguya and mokou - mystical chain: not a conventional gank fight where you fight 2vs1, this is you who just strumbled on a 1vs1 and have to deal with both foes who are not even paying attention to you to survive 4- darklurker/ruin sentinels- ds2: very underrated fights, love the coordination the ruin sentinels have 3- pandora and prometheus/argoyle and ujuile - megaman zxadvent: my childhood traumas 2- Lesmes and infanta - blasphemous 2: awesome fight, the third phase caught me off guard 1- minotaur and werewolf - castlevania sotn: love to see duo bosses actually working together in their attacks
Though some hate for Lords of the Fallen is justified, I think that the Abiding Defenders are also a great gank fight, eventhough they return as regular enemies later on. They aren't too aggressive and are very fair imo.
What is there to cope by saying it's a bad game? I don't want it to be bad, but I genuinely think its bad. I don't enjoy it. I'd say hailing it as a masterpiece is more of a copium, you just wish it was and it's a hill you're willing to die on even when it makes no sense
@@magicat7356 Not saying it's a masterpiece. This game is still not nearly as good as the Soulsborne games, and even most soulslike outshine it. But me personally, I still had a good expereience with it.
Woah what i haven’t watched you in years but i noticed such an improvement in your voice!! it improved so much and sounds way more confident! good job! :) ♥️
Both Black Rabbit brotherhood fights in Lies of P are rly good. The first one allows you to fight the opponents individually and split them up, due to the eldest being very slow and predictable. While the second fight has a very fun mechanic where only one of the 3 bosses is aggroed at a time, while the other two only ocassionally throw weak ranged attacks, as long as you don't approach them. Both fights also utilise sound cues rly good, with all attacks that could hit you from far away and aggro swaps having specific voice lines associated with them.
Hrist and mist yay I would like to add griffon, shadow and nightmare from DMC V Also might be a hot take, but Riddler from Arkham knight. Definitely the best "guy with crowd" boss fight
great list. personally i think allmind is just the greatest boss fight of all time and also the greatest gank fight of all time. everything about it is perfect for me
Wasn’t a HUGE fan of ac6 but the final snail fight in his shielded mech and the final Allmind fight were spectacular. Definitely some of the best bosses I’ve fought in 2023.
shadows benefits a lot from having all 3 have different levels of aggression. the gravestones neutralize the caster if you keep his position in mind, so you can juggle the two melee ones, where one will usually hang back while the other is attacking. its a testament to how well designed they are as a unit that the fight actually drops in quality after you kill one
Armored core 6 being on the list genuinely healed my soul a bit but I’m a little sad the Maxtac squad from Cyberpunk Phantom Liberty didn’t make it on here. Had me screaming “THEYRE JUMPING ME” the whole time (in a fun way.)
@@omegazx7236 i like him way more than o&s and demon princes. Demon princes sometimes attack together (mostly in the beginning) and o&s are good but sometimes they are too close too eachother so you have to wait for an opening, and the buggy ornstain attack is just awful. Darklurker is way better because you always have an opening and the arena allows you to look both. Moreover, they tend to stay far from each other and do spells, so i think magicat did him justice putting him above o&s and demon princes
Great vid once again i agree with alot of ganks should be here but my number 1 is demon Prince i love everything about it ( thank god u put pontiff here i was worried u werent)
This is seriously missing Black Rabbit Brotherhood (first fight). Also, it's really obvious you didn't fight Pontiff enough. The clone phase is broken as fuck, beating him at SL1 or Hitless is pure torture, very often he decides to desync and there's nothing you can do about it. Back to the bonfire you go.
I've fought him on sl1 and beat him first try without parrying because he's literally a perfect boss. Its a skill issue on this one my friend. Sometimes his clone will try to trick you but you have to keep an eye out for it
@@firstorderblade4432 Saying that he's a perfect boss shows me that you have no idea what you're talking about. Pontiff is better than 97% of all Dark Souls trilogy bosses, but at the same time he's deeply flawed. In phase 1, he's too fast for anything larger than a straight sword. The only way to damage him with a colossal weapon is by strafing some of his basic attacks or attacking after the delayed overhead slam. Some of his movements break the lock on. His follow-ups aren't consistent. His positioning based follow-ups don't activate sometimes, since it's an old game. In phase 2, his summon desyncs too easily. Daily unavoidable damage. And when you kill the ghost, pontiff's moveset becomes too awkward. The fight loses all the flow from the first phase. He's a victim of DS3 design philosophy and his mechanics not working properly because of bugs. If he was reborn in Elden Ring (where bosses have longer openings, meaning that beating them hitless with colossal weapons is actually viable) and all of his mechnics worked properly, he would deserve to be at the top spot.
@@Arfadoz For phase 1, saying you cant hit him with anything but a straight sword is just wrong. The whole point of boss fights is finding openings. Bigger weapons do more damage, so naturally its harder to get a window. I have the fight memorized so I know when to strafe and such, but even when he does attacks like his charge or his overhead slam you have like 3 seconds to attack. Only one attack breaks the lock on consistently, but its actually useful. It allows you to strafe his follow up that he always does after the thrust, which most players wouldn't expect Ofc his follow ups aren't always the same. Its a boss fight, he's supposed to switch up his combos, just like gundyr, cinder, or any other boss. Otherwise it would just be a memorization game Phase 2 his summon is supposed to desynce. They arne't supposed to attack you at the same time. Yea no shit when you kill the close the fight is different, he has wings. Half his attacks include flight. Thats why he immediately tries to summon another clone If he was reborn in elden ring he would get ruined like every other elden ring boss which had potential but got reskinned 6 times and had way too much health and damage to be fun
@@Arfadoz I have 986 hours in dark souls 3, fully platinumed it, and done every challenge run you could possibly think of. I think I know how a boss fight works thank you very much.
As far as bad gank bosses go, I think Headless Ape is one of the more tolerable one because you can burst down the brown ape with mortal draw to turn the fight back into a 1v1. Still sucks though.
@@carlschrappen9712 yeah I’ve never had problems with that boss for that reason. It’s crazy the brown does just as much damage if not more than the boss. I feel like all mini bosses in the game are like that tho
I'm late, but just throwing couple of my picks. Ixillis from Remnant 1. It was like a ranged version of DS3 Demon gank where they take turns on the different phases. Except you are fighting them while pincered on narrow bridge, so you need to be really mindful about what's behind you. Remnant is also best played with a buddy, and this boss especially shines when you got two pairs of eyes on the field. Favorite boss of Remnant for me. Nine Sols spoilers ahead! Lady Ethereal, Nine Sols. Game was released after this video so of course it can't be here. But damn was it good! She does the darklurker thing where first phase she shows her moves, and then clones herself..into triplets. The fight then becomes kind of like Sisters of Battle, except you need to track and identify the real one to do damage. And then you have a third phase.... And there's five of her! The fight is insame. Visually really cool as well, taking place on a theater backdrop and she's got a banger track too. She also has a heartwrenching backstory, with themed bending perception of reality. I guess she's my favorite and Nine Sols has other bangers as well!
I will never forget the first time I "defeated" the Darklurker and then his clone dashed towards me and sliced me with his light saber. It killed me and I had to do the fight again. I'm pretty sure the clone is scripted to do a last attack before death because I have seen it do it many times.
I broke a controller on him! Only one I’ve ever busted. My first run ever I got to him with 41 effigies. Used them ALL fighting him, which I knew was gonna screw over the rest of my game. On my second to last one, one swing away from killing him… my controller died. Was so mad I whipped it at a pile of laundry I had at the base of my bed… and it went right through the laundry pile and shattered against a wall lol I was mortified but learned to never do that. And I luckily beat him the next attempt with my final effigy. Great boss though!
Idk if anyone said this but during the magni and modi fight. The modi bomb attack can be stopped if you throw an axe at him mid air, so space shouldnt be an issue for that attack
I think the fight against 2 berserkers at the same time was underrated…at first I thought it was unfair until I realized one of them fights the companion while the other fights you and then they switch making it much more fair
I haven't played Ys X yet (still waiting for an international release), but the Ligaty fight from The Oath in Felghana is definitely up there for me. Also, the fight against Zava w/ Yogleks & Omulgun in Ys Origin is sort of a gank fight, but I'm not sure if that counts since they're just assisting Zava, who's the real target.
@@TitaRussellTrails Yeah, I guess if Zava counts, then she would probably be my pick over Ligaty, as her fight is probably my favorite boss battle in Ys Origin.
Also liked the Berserker duo from GoW: Ragnarok - Starólfr the Troublesome and Bödvar the Fierce, warrior and mage. The way they constantly switch each other on targeting player is awesome, but the same time fight is totally fair. Also Berserker trio is kinda OK, but nothing really good.
I don't know how the fanbases of soulslikes and the terraria calamity mod overlap, but the exo mechs from said mod is easily the best gank boss I've ever fought, it's almost perfect, with the only fight coming close to its quality is the sisters of battle.
Off the top of my head, my personal top 10 (limited to one per franchise, as well as only one FromSoft entry) is: 1. Sisters of Battle (Hollow Knight) 2. Demon in Pain / Demon from Below (Dark Souls III) 3. Lesmes & Infanta (Blasphemous 2) 4. Zava, Yogleks, & Omulgun (Ys Origin) 5. Werewolf and Minotaurus (Castlevania: Symphony of the Night) 6. Ba-Boom, the Boisterous (Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze) 7. Ribby & Croaks (Cuphead) 8. Colos & Susses (The Messenger) 9. Gyorg Pair (The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap) 10. Hell Guards (Doom 2016)
I like canoneer and blade bearer from code vein, nort court from kh3, asterion and Theseus from hades, and Xilius v and xilius vi from remnant from the ashes.
I wonder if the game was baked in the oven for longer, then ER would give us some banger gang fights. Or they from the start planned to rely on summons of some kind.
Expansion might have them! I noticed in Elden Ring there’s a lot of enemies straight up ripped from older games but with a new skin. Like moveset is identical to enemies in Dark Souls 1/2/3, Demon’s, BB, Sekiro, etc. Makes me wonder if that was to save time. I’m also VERY much of the opinion a Sekiro dlc got scrapped and the big bosses (Tomoe, Divine Dragon) got repurposed in Elden Ring bosses (Malenia, Elden Beast). Like the design, moveset, way the fight goes, animations, etc is all Sekiro.
That’s the reason why I am apathetic over the DLC. I wasn’t the biggest fan of the game and I hope the dlc takes 5 years to make so that they can fix everything wrong with the main game while adding new content.
@@wr5488Sekiro and Elden Ring were being developed at the same time, it's very unlikely any cut content from Sekiro was reused for Elden Ring, especially for the main bosses. In any case there's not a shred of proof for that happening, just some incidental similarities that don't mean anything considering how much FromSoftware likes to cannibalize ideas from their previous works (Just look at the Man-eaters and Bell Gargoyles). Personally, I think the reason that this rumor has been propagated so much is that it gives people an excuse for being bad at fighting Malenia.
Godskin Duo is certainly better after the patches they've received: taking 30 seconds to go for a respawn instead of 10, their heal punish coming out later and not robotically often, and whatever attempts they made in de-janking the noble's roll.
looking at this list im hella confused how elden ring did not have a single even remotely "ok" gank boss. the last souls game was filled to the brim with creative and fair gank fights
@@BBQcheese Well then why do you like bloodborne? It has some of the weakest bosses in the series and the only redeemable factor of most of them is music. Take witches of hemwick, cleric beast, bloodstarved beast, rom, shadows of yharnam, one reborn, living failures, celestial emisseries, micolash, and laurence for example
@@BBQcheese Overall honestly bloodborne and ds2 are probably tied in a lot of things. Levels, dlc and bosses for one. Creative ideas for another. Ds2 has overall more average bosses but it also has bosses like burnt ivory king and sir alonne, and areas like eleum loyce and drangliec and shulva which give it a status as a legendary game
@@BBQcheese Well you called two of the best bosses in the series trash so now i know your joking. Also eleum loyce and shulva >>>> any ds1 or bloodborne area
Man, you can give a million different reasons for why phase 1 is well designed, but I will never stop thinking that demon prince would have been a much better fight if p1 didn't exists. Its just so fucking boring and unnecessary and makes redoing the boss such a pain
Its a shame with Lords of The Fallen that they released it in a very rough state. Im playing it months after the patches and can stay confidently that it's a very good souls like. The bosses aren't anything special, but there are a handful of some that have a lot to offer. I haven't experienced anything major and would recommend it
I really agree with this list, but i have issue with sister friede and father ariandel, and with generally how much people have praised them as a gank despite them really only meeting the bare minimum. At least you didn't pull a demod and say it's better than O&S as a gank (man i really have beef with him despite how much i respect him). The issue isn't ariandel, he's actually a pretty good addition with being the slowest boss enemy in the game aside from like, greatwood. and his one faster attack, the charge, has a lot of sound cues. My issue lies in friede, people don't give how aggressive she is in this phase enough credit, yeah it isn't phase 3 aggression, but she's a lot more aggressive than in phase 1, and certainly more than she has any right to be considering the circumstances. And her invisibility is really annoying. It works in phase 1 because she's alone, allowing you to focus on where she's jumping to, which you can still easily fuck up and get punished severely for. But in a gank? this is atrocious, if you're smart you'll hound on ariandel, and so friede can go invis easily and just be entirely untraceable. Her attacks when invis range from pretty good like the heal, to annoying like the icicles, to straight up awful, because WHY DID THEY KEEP THE GRAB. What was a punishing move that formed the backbone of her phase 1 offense, alongside her hyper armor heavy attacks now becomes a bullshit attack that's near impossible to detect if you happen to be attacking ariandel. Ok and my main issue with phase 2, and why i felt the need to make this long winded comment, her icicles are pretty bullshit. Instant tick damage and frostbite buildup. Again this is fine when she's alone and you can see it coming, but if you're attacking ariandel, and friede is outside view, like she likes to when using this attack, then it will hit you and you will take unavoidable damage, and if you're locked in a heavy weapon attack, probably get frostbite procced. the Demon princes do this so much better with the laser beam having a large delay before it explodes, and the gas cloud itself being pretty unpunishing A main issue is because of his large size and slow nature, ariandel is a much better target, especially with how nimble friede is and that she will just run and jump around, drawing this phase out. But focusing on ariandel puts friede in the perfect position to, at best, just spam icicle attacks at you that will hit you for a tick or two before you roll away, and at worst, go proto-phase 3 on your ass while occasionally going invisible to grab you for 2/3 your hp. All this encourages you play patiently because after all this you have to go against black flame friede, likely the hardest single boss phase in the game, and so mistakes from aggressive play may fuck you over entirely. The thing is that patient play draws out an already extremely long 3 phased fight even further, and you will quickly grow tired of phases 1 and 2 as you have to mindlessly fight them over and over again just to have the honor of challenging phase 3, but you still have to give it your all because any small mistakes in those 2 fights will build up and fuck you over for phase 3. Needless to say, in this war of a boss fight, the LAST thing you need is bullshit attacks and unavoidable damage. I think sister friede and father ariandel get praise because they manage to barely work, that is they don't fail enough to catch the ire of most players. They meet the bare minimum of not sending 2 fast and aggressive enemies after you, but that's about it, anything it does, the demon princes, darklurker, and O&S do way better. So I wouldn't call them god awful, just painfully boring in an attrition fight where boredom is the last thing you need, wailing on a dude's back while a nun shoots ice at you every few seconds isn't very fun, especially compared to the masterpiece in spectacle and intensity that is blackflame friede.
@Sam-iv8iw the difference with O&S is 1. You have the arena to split them up, a luxury you don't have with friede and ariandel 2. O&S are both much slower, and have much simpler movesets than ariandel and especially friede. Both of them are designed in the idea that they're in a gank, and the same is true of ariandel, but friede is literally just a boss, it's her from phase 1 plus the heal move. Also the aggressive thing isn't my main issue, im saying that because a lot of people praise Sf&Fa because "the enemies have varying aggression" which i don't find to be true, it's just that friede becomes more of a ranged attacker, and that's what my issue is, the main attack she likes to do is problematic, especially in one of the longest fights in the series
@@ornstein714 ive never experienced friede being very aggressive in p2, its definately not the same AI as p1, its true that she does throw her frostbite ground thing alot but in my experience shes never really attacked me unless i get too close, which is the thing with duo bosses, that you have to keep in mind where both bosses are etc well well, you have your experience and i have mine
I really don't get why people like Ornestein and Smough so much. They are a decent fight, but they are just so simple even by ds1 standards. I would put all other bosses of this list above O and S except for the bell gargoyles.
They were the first template for this specific type of boss and the fight is very visually pleasing. You could argue it's a bit of a rip-off from Agni & Rudra (Devil May Cry 3), but many Souls players never played that game
They’re great because they’re simple and straightforward. They have like 3-5 basic attacks. I will say Ornstein got nerfed to hell though. Pre-pc release when it was console only Ornstein had as much hp as Smough, his grab was harder to dodge and hit 3 times (almost guaranteed death unless you had Havels and were tanky) and he was soooooo nimble he’d dash out of most of your hits. And his big form had as much health as Smough’s. Was waaaaay harder.
@@firstorderblade4432orstein doesn't carry either, he is literally broken, the charge attack is pretty broken, he sometimes dodges inmediatly, he sometimes eats 4-5 greatsword hits without me getting heavily punished by doing that, he sometimes attacks a lot, he sometimes is really pasive, not consistent at all
@@jajasking9652 I know hes scuffed, but the second phase with giant ornstein is always fun. Way better than the second phase with lightning smough atleast
I mean the third type of boss is pretty generic,it could include bosses like promised consort radhann or the putrescent knight as one does an attack while another either does another attack or booosts the alrrady existinf attack
@@magicat7356 I have played it for 21 hours on the medium difficulty with a normal pace, and I am still not done. This game just keeps giving. It’s definitely longer than Spider man 2 if you’ve played that. The only disadvantage is that it costs 50$. Also I would love it if you did a boss ranking on the game after finishing it.
Some day people will realize that Godskin Duo is the best gank fight Fromsoft has ever done by a LANDSIDE. Getting TRULY good at that fight is something that can't be compared to anything else, it's pure satisfaction: th-cam.com/video/TYmQOS9ONcE/w-d-xo.html
I can't tell if you're trolling. On one hand, I can't stand Godskin Duo and think they suck. On the other hand, that video is one of the most incredible things I've ever seen in Elden Ring. You reacted to Noble Presence when the Godskin Noble wasn't even in the center of your screen...
@@firstorderblade4432 They don't attack you from behind the walls and the snakes are never even summoned if you know what you're doing. Edit: Since any new comment I make gets deleted, I will be following up here: The simple act of walking up to the boss and pressing R1 is not "a cheese strat which no new player is gonna know". And you need to be relatively close for the boss to attack you in the first place. Every complaint you have is a skill issue.
@@trutyatces8699 once they grow snake heads half of the melee attacks hit you through walls, like the giant gravestone. Ruins the fight. And no the snakes only don’t spawn if you do too much damage or if you use a cheese strat which no new player is gonna know
Magni and modi placement is outrageous. On GMGOW it’s an unbalanced piece of shit that has no fun aspect and is supremely frustrating. Magni and Modi both 1-2 shot you with every attack and due to the increased health the window to know them both down is so tight you have to be almost perfect while playing near hitless. Also because of the high damage you can get blindsided by an attack that causes immediate death which is more frustrating than fun. I understand it may be different on lower difficulties but magni and modi is firmly my least favorite boss of all time. I probably spent 10+ hours on it and died more times than I died to every single boss in bloodborne and elden ring combined and it never felt remotely fun or fair.
God of war difficulty modes in general are awful and unbalanced. I think the one mode they actually tested, normal, works perfectly fine for magni and modi.
@@magicat7356give me god of war is not that and try it out Sigrun can still 1 shot to 2 shot you with maxed stats but all read moves can be learned quite fast for ragnarok I never really learned any boss all the way GNA wasn’t too bad either
"Gank" is multiple enemies which are not made for working in tandem. Some random enemies attacking all at one is a gank. Ornstein and Smoug are antithesis of gank. So are the Mantis Lords from Hollow Knight.
Abyss watchers, demon princes, friede, pontiff, twin princes >>>>>>>> ornstein and smough. O and S is the most overrated gank ever besides shadows of yharnam
Ornstein and Smough is a dogshit fight that's put on a pedestal due to nostalgia. They're definitely not "one slow and one fast". Ornstein goes from jacking his spear off in a corner to glitching through the entire area when he feels like it. Smough, the "slow one" is actually the one aggressively chasing you most of the time. This leads to moments where attacking is essentially never safe without trading hits. Also it's in DS1 so the combat is clunky and ass anyway.
@@Souls.Gamer7 First, by defenition that's not true, second, hollow knight is not a fucking souls-like it's 2d, not an rpg, and doesn't even have an i-frame dodge until the end of the game. How does having a similar currency on death mechanic impact BOSS DESIGN
I know people hate these fights, but I LOVE the gargoyles and the Rotting Crystallian fights. Those are the two gank fights I like in ER but I think most people despise those fights.
@@wr5488 the worst of the community plus the tourists hate the Crystallians. They just use 2v1 as an excuse and only use any sort of effort to scream at the devs to nerf the ganks to the ground. The Crystallians were fine, the Crucible Knights were fine. The only thing that was genuinely garbage was the Godskin Duo with their arbitrary health bar and the Gargoyles with their... being the Gargoyles.
@@deliriushunter no bait I just actually got good at fighting Godskin Duo and its ez best Souls Gank. O&S were as good of a gank fight as the 3 Giant Knights in the room before them.
@@shinyhydreigon7257 I did godskin duo at rl1 without sleep on my first rl1 run.. its badly designed. I had fun and put it in D above what most people say.. but like above OnS? Thats just delusional imo
I really like the Bogeys from Vanquish myself. Keep you on your toes without feeling bullshit and you can use them as fun punching bags if you know what you're doing.
I'll never forget the first time i fought shadows of yharnam, the vibes alone make it my favorite gank of all time. My first gatekeepers for bloodborne ultimately turned into the most confortable fight in the game for me.
Final phase scared me so bad lol
Didn’t see the giant snakes until they were attacking me.
On a no level up run I think they’re one of the hardest main game fights. Lots of one shots and they’re erratic. And there’s three!
The fight is so scuffed though. They can hit you through walls which completely ruins the point of a gank fight, splitting them up. Also the snakes are rng and can completely 1 shot you. And the runback takes forever.
What a shit boss
@@firstorderblade4432 Long boss run back aside, the Shadows of Yharnam are one of the best gank fights period. They each take turns engaging you, each with their own levels of aggression and focusing on different aspects of combat- this in turn makes the fight more manageable when you are able to realise what the fight wants from you. It asks of you to show skilful balance in taking down each Shadow equally so that you only have to deal with two Shadows in phase 2 (get them all to a third hp and then kill one Shadow during its phase transformation). The snake will only one shot you if you have low enough health or if you are already dodging at which point you will receive extra damage from the counter damage system- it requires knowledge of when they will use it but easily countered by bursting down each Shadow while they are low. Peak gank.
@@nathanrcb4066 They don't each take turns engaging you. I'll be fighting the caster and I'll get hit through the gravestone by the two melee ones because they have an attack that tracks you through walls and has infinite range
It doesn't matter if the snake doesn't one shot you, its still an rng attack with no pattern to it that can easily stunlock you to death
And no, this is not peak gank fight. Peak gank fight is one you have to use a strategy for, but you don't need to try and cheese it for the fight to be fair. Take demon princes, you can kill either one whenever you want for a different fight, but that aside, its just fast paced fun combat. No stupid gimmicky bullshit that feels like an unfair death. Same with abyss watchers, or pontiff, etc
@@firstorderblade4432 Not entirely what you're on about but they do engage you mostly in turns, not Mantis Lords style but still with enough strategy between the individual Shadows. Their attacks will often compliment each others, e.g. sword Shadow pushes you while candle Shadow forces you onto the defensive. You also are clearly missing the audio and visual tell for the snake attack, no two ways about it I'm afraid. That's not to say they can't sync up weirdly, especially if you try and go into the fight with no strategy yourself as you say.
To state that the fight requires no strategy and you have to cheese it in order for it to be fair is a complete misunderstanding of the fight, gank fights in general and how to approach unique fights meant to challenge how comfortable you will be with the combat by that point. There is not liking a boss due to bias and then there is not licking a boss for fair and valid criticisms, your views ain't it.
2 things about this video
1) I’m surprised at the amount of great multi boss fights in DS3.
2) I was more and more worried that Darklurker wasn’t going be on this list, specially when OnS appeared at 4th. Gotta way I was pleasently surprised with it’s ranking, it’s not easy to be that good of a fight in DS2 combat.
Just finished Lies of P recently and, even though you put them near the bottom of your boss list for the game, I thought the Black Rabbit Brotherhood was the best gank fight I'd ever seen.
For a start they each have distinct and actually pretty nuanced personalities which is something most gank fights just don't bother with at all. They even interact with each other well and you can really feel that they are a family who love each other without lessening their ruthlessness as despite their differences they all share the opinion that it's them vs everyone else.
Each of the movesets are fun and distinct with their own strengths and weaknesses that are well reflected in their designs and personalities. It was not a surprise that the small dual wielding woman would be frail and fast and the big mute with a buster sword would be slow and tanky. Likewise the talkative leader plays tricky, mixing ranged and close up attacks and actually using the prosthetic that was up to this point a protagonist only item. And finally the goofy one with a bucket on his head acts as sort of a wild card, veering wildly between passiveness and aggressiveness, either killing you in a few seconds or dying in a few seconds.
Being able to choose how many of the four you want to fight at once, is not something I think I've seen any other gank fight do, but leads to some good decision making as you weigh the risks of just trying to rush it with all four against extending the fight by fighting them one at a time. It even sort of acts as a real time difficulty slider, where if you doing too well the game will step up the difficulty by tossing in another Rabbit.
All of this makes the fight genuinely have a lot of variety so it never feels stale. It took me hours but the time absolutely flew by because, even though there are still patterns to recognise, every attempt felt different.
To me it perfectly balanced the "call and response" and "think on your feet" methods of beating souls likes, with a cool atmosphere, actual build up (seriously most of the bosses in those games are people we meet when the fight starts), and some nice tragic lore.
This ended up longer than I wanted but I needed to defend them from the slander in your Lies of P boss ranking, because they are seriously my favourite from the game, and genuinely have a lot to make them stand out from other ganks.
Music is pretty mid though.
Both those fights suck ugh lies of P got annoying for me after new game plus 5 since I kept messing up the side missions fighting them over and over again sucked thank goodness I got past it that play felt nice
anyone who says Rabbit Brotherhood is a bad fight never understood how the AI in that fight worked, once you get it it's so fun and tactical
the Rabbit Brotherhood is a great fight, but honestly, its greatness is mostly in how it lets you opt out of it being a gank. The rematch is pretty miserable (easily the worst boss in the game for challenge runs), so I wouldn't say their movesets really go that well together. The strength of the first fight is that it's just a series of 1v1's against 4 different enemies that take turns. Really fun concept, but I probably wouldn't include it in a list like this
1. Agni and Rudra
2. Sisters of Battle
3. Dark Lurker
Pretty glad you gave mention to Yan Liang and Wen Chou because they too are my favorite Team Ninja gank fight ever
It's really not saying a lot though
@@magicat7356 I get what you’re saying. Team Ninja have always kind of excelled at one on one fights so the bar was low in their case lol
Darklurker really stood out in DS2, it's the one fight where adding a second enemy actually elevates the fight
imo it could even be a bit harder, but then itd really suck cus of the runback. A boss like that right after a bonfire, but slightly harder would be a ton of fun
Such a great list!
Love the appreciation of Hrist&Mist, Abyss Watchers, Darklurker, Sister Friede etc…
All good takes!
Bro really forgot to talk about the afflicted graverobber trio from Ds2.
fr i was expecting that
Agni and Rudra in dmc3 really won my heart they’re attacks are so perfectly synched. You even get some cool swords based on their elements afterwards. I also love The Black Rabbit Brotherhood in Lies Of P it was difficult but satisfying, when the eldest loses health another member will try and jump you, but if you beat the brother who jumped into the fight, they dont bother you anymore so its kind of like a gauntlet.
I do agree that darklurker was always a really cool fight
I just played lies of P and I would put the black rabbit brotherhood somewhere there
If I had to add one from another game genre I would put the inkblights from don't starve together they are 3 independent AI and their attacks flawlessly play off of one another with one being fast and mobile the other big and able to grab you and immobilize you and the other creating a mini bullet hell... They even got a death combo if you get grabbed by the big guy that stunlocks you
And the big guy is also really fun and actually difficult by himself once the other 2 die
Fun fact: with enough aggresion and proper weapon you can get both demon princes into the same mode by repeatedly riposting one. You mentioned that they're on a timer, i guess it stops counting during a riposte. My source is that it happened to me, i was using a +10 zweihander with minimal stats (13 strength, 11 dex)
Shoutout to Lies of P's Black Brotherhood first fight. That fight uses ganks to serve as phases, and mostly uses passive AI to keep the fight fair. The result is a pretty consistently challenging endurance fight, with no huge spikes in difficulty.
Btw, completely unrelated but I love the little tune you play at the end of your videos
O&S over demon prince is criminal.
It's not, O&S> demon prince
Demon princes AI is far too easy to understand and becomes mind numbingly boring on subsequent playthroughs no quick thinking, no advanced positioning and no moves requiring actual good timing.
@@Downsquad I agree, but tbh, I could apply that to almost all bosses before Sekiro/ER besides a few outliers, they're just way too simple.
@@vryyyx I still really loved Demon Princes first playthrough though just they don't really stay interesting.
Favorite boss Lady Maria referenced at 18:20
I will be keeping an eye out magicat...
My top gank fights:
5- kaguya and mokou - mystical chain: not a conventional gank fight where you fight 2vs1, this is you who just strumbled on a 1vs1 and have to deal with both foes who are not even paying attention to you to survive
4- darklurker/ruin sentinels- ds2: very underrated fights, love the coordination the ruin sentinels have
3- pandora and prometheus/argoyle and ujuile - megaman zxadvent: my childhood traumas
2- Lesmes and infanta - blasphemous 2: awesome fight, the third phase caught me off guard
1- minotaur and werewolf - castlevania sotn: love to see duo bosses actually working together in their attacks
Though some hate for Lords of the Fallen is justified, I think that the Abiding Defenders are also a great gank fight, eventhough they return as regular enemies later on. They aren't too aggressive and are very fair imo.
Some hate is justified but people who say its a bad game are coping. Its absolutely awesome
@@firstorderblade4432 I think it got a lot better after a few patches and I have to say, I really enjoyed it and still do
What is there to cope by saying it's a bad game? I don't want it to be bad, but I genuinely think its bad. I don't enjoy it. I'd say hailing it as a masterpiece is more of a copium, you just wish it was and it's a hill you're willing to die on even when it makes no sense
@@magicat7356 Not saying it's a masterpiece. This game is still not nearly as good as the Soulsborne games, and even most soulslike outshine it. But me personally, I still had a good expereience with it.
@@magicat7356 it's mid af but it's defo has some great moments and fights. So not a bad game. Just a mid one with lots of flaws. 6/10
Woah what i haven’t watched you in years but i noticed such an improvement in your voice!! it improved so much and sounds way more confident! good job! :) ♥️
Both Black Rabbit brotherhood fights in Lies of P are rly good.
The first one allows you to fight the opponents individually and split them up, due to the eldest being very slow and predictable.
While the second fight has a very fun mechanic where only one of the 3 bosses is aggroed at a time, while the other two only ocassionally throw weak ranged attacks, as long as you don't approach them.
Both fights also utilise sound cues rly good, with all attacks that could hit you from far away and aggro swaps having specific voice lines associated with them.
Hrist and mist yay
I would like to add griffon, shadow and nightmare from DMC V
Also might be a hot take, but Riddler from Arkham knight. Definitely the best "guy with crowd" boss fight
great list. personally i think allmind is just the greatest boss fight of all time and also the greatest gank fight of all time. everything about it is perfect for me
Wasn’t a HUGE fan of ac6 but the final snail fight in his shielded mech and the final Allmind fight were spectacular. Definitely some of the best bosses I’ve fought in 2023.
shadows benefits a lot from having all 3 have different levels of aggression. the gravestones neutralize the caster if you keep his position in mind, so you can juggle the two melee ones, where one will usually hang back while the other is attacking. its a testament to how well designed they are as a unit that the fight actually drops in quality after you kill one
Armored core 6 being on the list genuinely healed my soul a bit but I’m a little sad the Maxtac squad from Cyberpunk Phantom Liberty didn’t make it on here. Had me screaming “THEYRE JUMPING ME” the whole time (in a fun way.)
I'm so damn glad Darklurker is shown love. He shits on every Elden Ring multi boss
He shits on every souls games duo fights
@@MartinFranchini-u2w I wouldn't say he shits on the Demon Prince. They're pretty close
@@MartinFranchini-u2w he doesn't shit on O&S or Friede, but pretty up there still
@@omegazx7236 i like him way more than o&s and demon princes. Demon princes sometimes attack together (mostly in the beginning) and o&s are good but sometimes they are too close too eachother so you have to wait for an opening, and the buggy ornstain attack is just awful. Darklurker is way better because you always have an opening and the arena allows you to look both. Moreover, they tend to stay far from each other and do spells, so i think magicat did him justice putting him above o&s and demon princes
Abyss watchers, friede, burnt ivory king, darklurker, demon princes, pontiff >>>>>>>>>>>>>> any non souls gank
I dont think i even remembered that fight in gowr lol
Great vid once again i agree with alot of ganks should be here but my number 1 is demon Prince i love everything about it ( thank god u put pontiff here i was worried u werent)
Nice video, cheers from Germany
This is seriously missing Black Rabbit Brotherhood (first fight).
Also, it's really obvious you didn't fight Pontiff enough. The clone phase is broken as fuck, beating him at SL1 or Hitless is pure torture, very often he decides to desync and there's nothing you can do about it. Back to the bonfire you go.
I've fought him on sl1 and beat him first try without parrying because he's literally a perfect boss. Its a skill issue on this one my friend. Sometimes his clone will try to trick you but you have to keep an eye out for it
@@firstorderblade4432 Saying that he's a perfect boss shows me that you have no idea what you're talking about.
Pontiff is better than 97% of all Dark Souls trilogy bosses, but at the same time he's deeply flawed.
In phase 1, he's too fast for anything larger than a straight sword. The only way to damage him with a colossal weapon is by strafing some of his basic attacks or attacking after the delayed overhead slam.
Some of his movements break the lock on.
His follow-ups aren't consistent. His positioning based follow-ups don't activate sometimes, since it's an old game.
In phase 2, his summon desyncs too easily. Daily unavoidable damage.
And when you kill the ghost, pontiff's moveset becomes too awkward. The fight loses all the flow from the first phase.
He's a victim of DS3 design philosophy and his mechanics not working properly because of bugs.
If he was reborn in Elden Ring (where bosses have longer openings, meaning that beating them hitless with colossal weapons is actually viable) and all of his mechnics worked properly, he would deserve to be at the top spot.
@@Arfadoz For phase 1, saying you cant hit him with anything but a straight sword is just wrong. The whole point of boss fights is finding openings. Bigger weapons do more damage, so naturally its harder to get a window. I have the fight memorized so I know when to strafe and such, but even when he does attacks like his charge or his overhead slam you have like 3 seconds to attack.
Only one attack breaks the lock on consistently, but its actually useful. It allows you to strafe his follow up that he always does after the thrust, which most players wouldn't expect
Ofc his follow ups aren't always the same. Its a boss fight, he's supposed to switch up his combos, just like gundyr, cinder, or any other boss. Otherwise it would just be a memorization game
Phase 2 his summon is supposed to desynce. They arne't supposed to attack you at the same time.
Yea no shit when you kill the close the fight is different, he has wings. Half his attacks include flight. Thats why he immediately tries to summon another clone
If he was reborn in elden ring he would get ruined like every other elden ring boss which had potential but got reskinned 6 times and had way too much health and damage to be fun
@@firstorderblade4432 Play the game again, but this time, pay attention.
@@Arfadoz I have 986 hours in dark souls 3, fully platinumed it, and done every challenge run you could possibly think of. I think I know how a boss fight works thank you very much.
it feels great knowing that zhang rang finally got his due respects by being rightfully placed as the no1 best gank fight in magigoats ranking.
I can’t help but notice the lack of headless ape 😭😭
Because it's one of the worst ones
@@magicat7356 I know I can’t stand it luckily there’s a way to bypass it 😭😭
As far as bad gank bosses go, I think Headless Ape is one of the more tolerable one because you can burst down the brown ape with mortal draw to turn the fight back into a 1v1. Still sucks though.
@@carlschrappen9712 yeah I’ve never had problems with that boss for that reason. It’s crazy the brown does just as much damage if not more than the boss. I feel like all mini bosses in the game are like that tho
I'm late, but just throwing couple of my picks.
Ixillis from Remnant 1. It was like a ranged version of DS3 Demon gank where they take turns on the different phases. Except you are fighting them while pincered on narrow bridge, so you need to be really mindful about what's behind you. Remnant is also best played with a buddy, and this boss especially shines when you got two pairs of eyes on the field. Favorite boss of Remnant for me.
Nine Sols spoilers ahead!
Lady Ethereal, Nine Sols. Game was released after this video so of course it can't be here. But damn was it good! She does the darklurker thing where first phase she shows her moves, and then clones herself..into triplets. The fight then becomes kind of like Sisters of Battle, except you need to track and identify the real one to do damage. And then you have a third phase.... And there's five of her! The fight is insame. Visually really cool as well, taking place on a theater backdrop and she's got a banger track too. She also has a heartwrenching backstory, with themed bending perception of reality. I guess she's my favorite and Nine Sols has other bangers as well!
Didn't expect hrist and mist to be as good as it was, it has become one of my faverite in any game ever.
Bro didn't see the Three mages Sisters of Kirby Star allies.... That Is the best Gank boss fight
I will never forget the first time I "defeated" the Darklurker and then his clone dashed towards me and sliced me with his light saber. It killed me and I had to do the fight again. I'm pretty sure the clone is scripted to do a last attack before death because I have seen it do it many times.
I broke a controller on him! Only one I’ve ever busted.
My first run ever I got to him with 41 effigies. Used them ALL fighting him, which I knew was gonna screw over the rest of my game. On my second to last one, one swing away from killing him… my controller died. Was so mad I whipped it at a pile of laundry I had at the base of my bed… and it went right through the laundry pile and shattered against a wall lol
I was mortified but learned to never do that. And I luckily beat him the next attempt with my final effigy.
Great boss though!
No Black Rabbit brotherhood in this video is a crime. The first time you fight them is amazing!
Idk if anyone said this but during the magni and modi fight. The modi bomb attack can be stopped if you throw an axe at him mid air, so space shouldnt be an issue for that attack
I think the fight against 2 berserkers at the same time was underrated…at first I thought it was unfair until I realized one of them fights the companion while the other fights you and then they switch making it much more fair
Awesome to see pontiff phaze 2 appreciation imonsuper underrated phase
My personal favorite duo boss is the final boss of Ys X Nordics. Though it’s not really a gank since it’s a 2v2
I haven't played Ys X yet (still waiting for an international release), but the Ligaty fight from The Oath in Felghana is definitely up there for me. Also, the fight against Zava w/ Yogleks & Omulgun in Ys Origin is sort of a gank fight, but I'm not sure if that counts since they're just assisting Zava, who's the real target.
You can count Zava is ya want@@rpgfan1187
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@@TitaRussellTrails Hey! Always great to see fellow Cytonox fans on other videos!
@@TitaRussellTrails Yeah, I guess if Zava counts, then she would probably be my pick over Ligaty, as her fight is probably my favorite boss battle in Ys Origin.
Missing Agni and Rudra from DMC 3
Also liked the Berserker duo from GoW: Ragnarok - Starólfr the Troublesome and Bödvar the Fierce, warrior and mage. The way they constantly switch each other on targeting player is awesome, but the same time fight is totally fair. Also Berserker trio is kinda OK, but nothing really good.
I don't know how the fanbases of soulslikes and the terraria calamity mod overlap, but the exo mechs from said mod is easily the best gank boss I've ever fought, it's almost perfect, with the only fight coming close to its quality is the sisters of battle.
for me type 3 is the easiest to do properly, when they feel like one boss moveset but still benefit from being multiple enemies
Here to feel the validation of Sisters Of Battle on the list
How would u rate alpha and bravo from vanquish 🤔
Off the top of my head, my personal top 10 (limited to one per franchise, as well as only one FromSoft entry) is:
1. Sisters of Battle (Hollow Knight)
2. Demon in Pain / Demon from Below (Dark Souls III)
3. Lesmes & Infanta (Blasphemous 2)
4. Zava, Yogleks, & Omulgun (Ys Origin)
5. Werewolf and Minotaurus (Castlevania: Symphony of the Night)
6. Ba-Boom, the Boisterous (Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze)
7. Ribby & Croaks (Cuphead)
8. Colos & Susses (The Messenger)
9. Gyorg Pair (The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap)
10. Hell Guards (Doom 2016)
I like canoneer and blade bearer from code vein, nort court from kh3, asterion and Theseus from hades, and Xilius v and xilius vi from remnant from the ashes.
Hollow Knight boss in the list, Yipee
Astherius and Theseus not being here is a crime
Magni throwing Modi in the air move is not supposted to be dodged. You should throw your axe at Modi while he is in air.
Code Vein also has a cool duo boss fight.
I wonder if the game was baked in the oven for longer, then ER would give us some banger gang fights. Or they from the start planned to rely on summons of some kind.
Expansion might have them!
I noticed in Elden Ring there’s a lot of enemies straight up ripped from older games but with a new skin. Like moveset is identical to enemies in Dark Souls 1/2/3, Demon’s, BB, Sekiro, etc.
Makes me wonder if that was to save time.
I’m also VERY much of the opinion a Sekiro dlc got scrapped and the big bosses (Tomoe, Divine Dragon) got repurposed in Elden Ring bosses (Malenia, Elden Beast). Like the design, moveset, way the fight goes, animations, etc is all Sekiro.
That’s the reason why I am apathetic over the DLC. I wasn’t the biggest fan of the game and I hope the dlc takes 5 years to make so that they can fix everything wrong with the main game while adding new content.
@@wr5488Sekiro and Elden Ring were being developed at the same time, it's very unlikely any cut content from Sekiro was reused for Elden Ring, especially for the main bosses. In any case there's not a shred of proof for that happening, just some incidental similarities that don't mean anything considering how much FromSoftware likes to cannibalize ideas from their previous works (Just look at the Man-eaters and Bell Gargoyles).
Personally, I think the reason that this rumor has been propagated so much is that it gives people an excuse for being bad at fighting Malenia.
abyss watchers being that ranking is crazy 💀
My favorite has to be Iguazu, 621, and Snail.
Eh, that's just a free-for-all. Carla and Chatty? That's a gank.
Demon Prince and Darklurker are the best
Edit: Nice
I love this magical kitten
I actually enjoy Godskin Duo and darklurker is amazing.
Godskin Duo is certainly better after the patches they've received: taking 30 seconds to go for a respawn instead of 10, their heal punish coming out later and not robotically often, and whatever attempts they made in de-janking the noble's roll.
@@minerman60101the funny thing is that the roll wasn't Broken at release, but they broked it reallu hard at a certain update
Darklurker is JUST a m a z i n g
Ti trovo ovunque 😂
You can throw the axe to stop modi attack 9:39
I would've added Theseus and Asterius from Hades
Sisters of battle is number 1 for me.
Here 10:07 to get Magicat losing his mind with lords of the fallen
looking at this list im hella confused how elden ring did not have a single even remotely "ok" gank boss. the last souls game was filled to the brim with creative and fair gank fights
Godskin duo 😍
Best Fromsoft mob boss imo is Living Failures.
Sooooo good. ‘Worst’ dlc fight in Bloodborne but still excellent.
Underrated for sure, by far the best soundtrack in bloodborne is living failures. Also they aren't the worst dlc boss, laurence is dogshit
@@BBQcheese not as bad as half of the other awful bosses in bloodborne. And they have the best ost in the game by far
@@BBQcheese Well then why do you like bloodborne? It has some of the weakest bosses in the series and the only redeemable factor of most of them is music.
Take witches of hemwick, cleric beast, bloodstarved beast, rom, shadows of yharnam, one reborn, living failures, celestial emisseries, micolash, and laurence for example
@@BBQcheese Overall honestly bloodborne and ds2 are probably tied in a lot of things. Levels, dlc and bosses for one. Creative ideas for another. Ds2 has overall more average bosses but it also has bosses like burnt ivory king and sir alonne, and areas like eleum loyce and drangliec and shulva which give it a status as a legendary game
@@BBQcheese Well you called two of the best bosses in the series trash so now i know your joking. Also eleum loyce and shulva >>>> any ds1 or bloodborne area
Lords of the fallen hate is very much understandable, haven’t finished the game, don’t think I ever will lol
If demon princes isn’t first I will riot
ADYR ON TOP!!!
Man, you can give a million different reasons for why phase 1 is well designed, but I will never stop thinking that demon prince would have been a much better fight if p1 didn't exists. Its just so fucking boring and unnecessary and makes redoing the boss such a pain
All father grant us strength we seek, in your name
Number one should have been Godskin Duo. 😢
Lorian and Lothric??
Doesn't count
Its a shame with Lords of The Fallen that they released it in a very rough state. Im playing it months after the patches and can stay confidently that it's a very good souls like. The bosses aren't anything special, but there are a handful of some that have a lot to offer. I haven't experienced anything major and would recommend it
I think even after the patches it kinda sucks. Also they still haven't made NG+ functional
I would have put Black Rabbit Brotherhood at n°1 . I love this fight that much. There is also the 1 vs 1000 in KH2 .
I really agree with this list, but i have issue with sister friede and father ariandel, and with generally how much people have praised them as a gank despite them really only meeting the bare minimum. At least you didn't pull a demod and say it's better than O&S as a gank (man i really have beef with him despite how much i respect him).
The issue isn't ariandel, he's actually a pretty good addition with being the slowest boss enemy in the game aside from like, greatwood. and his one faster attack, the charge, has a lot of sound cues. My issue lies in friede, people don't give how aggressive she is in this phase enough credit, yeah it isn't phase 3 aggression, but she's a lot more aggressive than in phase 1, and certainly more than she has any right to be considering the circumstances. And her invisibility is really annoying. It works in phase 1 because she's alone, allowing you to focus on where she's jumping to, which you can still easily fuck up and get punished severely for. But in a gank? this is atrocious, if you're smart you'll hound on ariandel, and so friede can go invis easily and just be entirely untraceable. Her attacks when invis range from pretty good like the heal, to annoying like the icicles, to straight up awful, because WHY DID THEY KEEP THE GRAB. What was a punishing move that formed the backbone of her phase 1 offense, alongside her hyper armor heavy attacks now becomes a bullshit attack that's near impossible to detect if you happen to be attacking ariandel.
Ok and my main issue with phase 2, and why i felt the need to make this long winded comment, her icicles are pretty bullshit. Instant tick damage and frostbite buildup. Again this is fine when she's alone and you can see it coming, but if you're attacking ariandel, and friede is outside view, like she likes to when using this attack, then it will hit you and you will take unavoidable damage, and if you're locked in a heavy weapon attack, probably get frostbite procced. the Demon princes do this so much better with the laser beam having a large delay before it explodes, and the gas cloud itself being pretty unpunishing
A main issue is because of his large size and slow nature, ariandel is a much better target, especially with how nimble friede is and that she will just run and jump around, drawing this phase out. But focusing on ariandel puts friede in the perfect position to, at best, just spam icicle attacks at you that will hit you for a tick or two before you roll away, and at worst, go proto-phase 3 on your ass while occasionally going invisible to grab you for 2/3 your hp. All this encourages you play patiently because after all this you have to go against black flame friede, likely the hardest single boss phase in the game, and so mistakes from aggressive play may fuck you over entirely. The thing is that patient play draws out an already extremely long 3 phased fight even further, and you will quickly grow tired of phases 1 and 2 as you have to mindlessly fight them over and over again just to have the honor of challenging phase 3, but you still have to give it your all because any small mistakes in those 2 fights will build up and fuck you over for phase 3. Needless to say, in this war of a boss fight, the LAST thing you need is bullshit attacks and unavoidable damage.
I think sister friede and father ariandel get praise because they manage to barely work, that is they don't fail enough to catch the ire of most players. They meet the bare minimum of not sending 2 fast and aggressive enemies after you, but that's about it, anything it does, the demon princes, darklurker, and O&S do way better. So I wouldn't call them god awful, just painfully boring in an attrition fight where boredom is the last thing you need, wailing on a dude's back while a nun shoots ice at you every few seconds isn't very fun, especially compared to the masterpiece in spectacle and intensity that is blackflame friede.
Its weird how you complain about friedes aggression in p2 but praise O&S
I think i disagree with your whole statement
@Sam-iv8iw the difference with O&S is
1. You have the arena to split them up, a luxury you don't have with friede and ariandel
2. O&S are both much slower, and have much simpler movesets than ariandel and especially friede. Both of them are designed in the idea that they're in a gank, and the same is true of ariandel, but friede is literally just a boss, it's her from phase 1 plus the heal move.
Also the aggressive thing isn't my main issue, im saying that because a lot of people praise Sf&Fa because "the enemies have varying aggression" which i don't find to be true, it's just that friede becomes more of a ranged attacker, and that's what my issue is, the main attack she likes to do is problematic, especially in one of the longest fights in the series
@@ornstein714 ive never experienced friede being very aggressive in p2, its definately not the same AI as p1, its true that she does throw her frostbite ground thing alot but in my experience shes never really attacked me unless i get too close, which is the thing with duo bosses, that you have to keep in mind where both bosses are etc
well well, you have your experience and i have mine
Please tell me I'm not the first person here to bring up Carla and Chatty.
You are. Aside from story purposes, I'm not too fond of it.
I really don't get why people like Ornestein and Smough so much. They are a decent fight, but they are just so simple even by ds1 standards. I would put all other bosses of this list above O and S except for the bell gargoyles.
They were the first template for this specific type of boss and the fight is very visually pleasing. You could argue it's a bit of a rip-off from Agni & Rudra (Devil May Cry 3), but many Souls players never played that game
They’re great because they’re simple and straightforward.
They have like 3-5 basic attacks.
I will say Ornstein got nerfed to hell though. Pre-pc release when it was console only Ornstein had as much hp as Smough, his grab was harder to dodge and hit 3 times (almost guaranteed death unless you had Havels and were tanky) and he was soooooo nimble he’d dash out of most of your hits. And his big form had as much health as Smough’s. Was waaaaay harder.
Yea they are really overrated, but the fight does feel special. Smough literally has like 2 moves and is a dogshit boss, but ornstein carries
@@firstorderblade4432orstein doesn't carry either, he is literally broken, the charge attack is pretty broken, he sometimes dodges inmediatly, he sometimes eats 4-5 greatsword hits without me getting heavily punished by doing that, he sometimes attacks a lot, he sometimes is really pasive, not consistent at all
@@jajasking9652 I know hes scuffed, but the second phase with giant ornstein is always fun. Way better than the second phase with lightning smough atleast
I mean the third type of boss is pretty generic,it could include bosses like promised consort radhann or the putrescent knight as one does an attack while another either does another attack or booosts the alrrady existinf attack
those doont count since they dont actually seperate. putresence knight crosses the boarder but its literally a single attack
Gank Gank Gank you rock you rock you rock wait cancel that- oh sorry wrong game genre
Play the new Metroidvania prince of Persia the lost crown.
I might, looks kinda fun
@@magicat7356 I have played it for 21 hours on the medium difficulty with a normal pace, and I am still not done. This game just keeps giving. It’s definitely longer than Spider man 2 if you’ve played that. The only disadvantage is that it costs 50$.
Also I would love it if you did a boss ranking on the game after finishing it.
Some day people will realize that Godskin Duo is the best gank fight Fromsoft has ever done by a LANDSIDE.
Getting TRULY good at that fight is something that can't be compared to anything else, it's pure satisfaction: th-cam.com/video/TYmQOS9ONcE/w-d-xo.html
I can't tell if you're trolling. On one hand, I can't stand Godskin Duo and think they suck. On the other hand, that video is one of the most incredible things I've ever seen in Elden Ring. You reacted to Noble Presence when the Godskin Noble wasn't even in the center of your screen...
@@carlschrappen9712 I'm for real. The things you can do in the Godskin Duo fight with practice is insane.
Finally another Godskin Duo enjoyer. Salutations.
Check out the channel Mihai. He has so many good Godskin Duo fights
@@shinyhydreigon7257 I know him from the r/Onebros subreddit! He was a little bit impressed with one of my Godskin Duo kills.
Shadows of yharnam should be higher imo
shadows are not that good because they are rng
@@firstorderblade4432 RNG how? I'm sorry to say that if you get locked into a corner, it is entirely a skill issue.
@@trutyatces8699 They can hit you through walls which ruins the point of splitting them up and the snakes are bullshit
@@firstorderblade4432 They don't attack you from behind the walls and the snakes are never even summoned if you know what you're doing.
Edit: Since any new comment I make gets deleted, I will be following up here: The simple act of walking up to the boss and pressing R1 is not "a cheese strat which no new player is gonna know". And you need to be relatively close for the boss to attack you in the first place. Every complaint you have is a skill issue.
@@trutyatces8699 once they grow snake heads half of the melee attacks hit you through walls, like the giant gravestone. Ruins the fight.
And no the snakes only don’t spawn if you do too much damage or if you use a cheese strat which no new player is gonna know
Top 15 hardest bosses as of 2023???
Im just gonna say it now o and s is overrated and doesnt deserve to be on this list shadows are better
I thought the ape duo was good.
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I fckn hate pontiff sulyvahn shadow or clone its just make the fight stupid and unfair for me
pontif is not a gank fight. and the top 2 ones are not the bests at all
Magni and modi placement is outrageous. On GMGOW it’s an unbalanced piece of shit that has no fun aspect and is supremely frustrating. Magni and Modi both 1-2 shot you with every attack and due to the increased health the window to know them both down is so tight you have to be almost perfect while playing near hitless. Also because of the high damage you can get blindsided by an attack that causes immediate death which is more frustrating than fun. I understand it may be different on lower difficulties but magni and modi is firmly my least favorite boss of all time. I probably spent 10+ hours on it and died more times than I died to every single boss in bloodborne and elden ring combined and it never felt remotely fun or fair.
Oh yeah it’s also not a skill thing because I beat sigrun hitless with only the starting gear btw
God of war difficulty modes in general are awful and unbalanced. I think the one mode they actually tested, normal, works perfectly fine for magni and modi.
@@magicat7356give me god of war is not that and try it out Sigrun can still 1 shot to 2 shot you with maxed stats but all read moves can be learned quite fast for ragnarok I never really learned any boss all the way GNA wasn’t too bad either
But what about godskin duo 😂
The video is called best gank fights
"Gank" is multiple enemies which are not made for working in tandem. Some random enemies attacking all at one is a gank. Ornstein and Smoug are antithesis of gank. So are the Mantis Lords from Hollow Knight.
Abyss watchers, demon princes, friede, pontiff, twin princes >>>>>>>> ornstein and smough. O and S is the most overrated gank ever besides shadows of yharnam
Ornstein and Smough is a dogshit fight that's put on a pedestal due to nostalgia. They're definitely not "one slow and one fast". Ornstein goes from jacking his spear off in a corner to glitching through the entire area when he feels like it. Smough, the "slow one" is actually the one aggressively chasing you most of the time. This leads to moments where attacking is essentially never safe without trading hits.
Also it's in DS1 so the combat is clunky and ass anyway.
Why is new god of war on here? These are some of the worst fights I’ve ever experienced
All the bosses are from souls games or souls like , that prove miyazaki is one of the greatest game makers ever
Or, like he literally said in the intro, the bosses are from souls because he is a souls youtuber
@@Reinoiro try to give me a gank boss fight out of souls game , waiting
@@Souls.Gamer7 I mean he literally gave 2 examples from a single game, hollow knight
@@Reinoiro souls games and souls like are the same
@@Souls.Gamer7 First, by defenition that's not true, second, hollow knight is not a fucking souls-like it's 2d, not an rpg, and doesn't even have an i-frame dodge until the end of the game. How does having a similar currency on death mechanic impact BOSS DESIGN
Wait, nothing from Elden Ring? 😂😂
Yeah, why would there be anything from Elden Ring?
Gank fights are the worst part about that game
I know people hate these fights, but I LOVE the gargoyles and the Rotting Crystallian fights.
Those are the two gank fights I like in ER but I think most people despise those fights.
Elden Ring fans when they can’t understand why the gank fights suck ass in ER:
I hope the DLC fixes this though.
@@wr5488 the worst of the community plus the tourists hate the Crystallians. They just use 2v1 as an excuse and only use any sort of effort to scream at the devs to nerf the ganks to the ground. The Crystallians were fine, the Crucible Knights were fine. The only thing that was genuinely garbage was the Godskin Duo with their arbitrary health bar and the Gargoyles with their... being the Gargoyles.
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Includes O&S but leaves out Godskin Duo. Nostalgia dosn't make O&Ss joke of a fight good.
Bait?
@@deliriushunter no bait I just actually got good at fighting Godskin Duo and its ez best Souls Gank.
O&S were as good of a gank fight as the 3 Giant Knights in the room before them.
@@shinyhydreigon7257 I did godskin duo at rl1 without sleep on my first rl1 run.. its badly designed. I had fun and put it in D above what most people say.. but like above OnS? Thats just delusional imo
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Yeah 100% bait lmao
eu parei de assistir quando ele disse que sekiro errou kkk
E mentiu? Aquela bossfight é péssima
I really like the Bogeys from Vanquish myself. Keep you on your toes without feeling bullshit and you can use them as fun punching bags if you know what you're doing.