Not a thing wrong with the 35 Only "problem" in this area has always been the scarcity of the rifles and the accompanying higher price of rifles and ammunition
@@maxpinson5002when it comes to expense or supply problems, there is no excuse. Reloading is easy to learn; and is always cheaper. ESPECIALLY today, when you have so many choices of websites with sales and clearances.
@@usa-rb5fi Probably not as bad as you think it does. The 444's I've used are a good hunting gun Probably would beat on me if I used really heavy bullets. Most everything in my region can easily be rendered with a 200-300 gr projectile
Ron my old friend (have been "following your since '75') in the woods I use a Henry lever in .357. Have found it works well especially in ranges of 100 yards and under. Keep up your good work sir. I love it.
I remember my dad in early 60's ordering (4) .32 winchester specials straight from the factory - delivered right to the post office ..... ahhh thos were the days we'ent they. 🤔
You're grandfather was LL, Bean ? 😂I'm just kidding, you wanna sell the 1962 model 94 ? I lost all my guns in a boating accident they at the bottom of the ocean 🌊😉. 😊
The Savage 99 in .300 Savage is the best lever gun deer cartridge combo made. In eastern Canada this gun and cartridge combo is still very popular, fast shooting and good accuracy. If you don't handload then Hornady's Superperformance SST 150 grain is near perfect. My son uses a Savage 99 in 30-30 Win and works nearly as well. A Model 99F with a 20 inch barrel is my go to deer gun for over 50 years, my first buck was taken with it in 1972.
I'm taking my late great uncle's 1964 Marlin 336 in .35Rem into the woods this season, and I've found that the 150gr Remington pointed soft point (one in the tube only) has had the best accuracy and felt recoil compared to the 200gr soft points. I shot a box of 20 150gr rounds at the range with no problem, but my shoulder is still sore after only 5 rounds of the 200gr!
I've watched your videos for a while now. Finally subscribed. You really have a way of explaining things, and are a great on camera personality. Thank you for all you do.
Hi Ron still using my grandpaps 1894 30 wcf. 26" octagon barrel. I inherited this rifle when I was 8 years old. Original rifle. With the old style buck horn sights. Rifle was made in 1909. I use winchester 170 power points. Gets er done for me. I still wear his Woolrich coat and carry his hunting knife too. I had to get a case made for the knife. 😊
My most used rifle is Rossi lever action M92, sixteen inch barrel in .357 magnum, do a fifty cent action job, skinner sights , enjoy . 125 grain to 180 grain bullets at velocities from 900- 2300 fps provide a huge range of versatility. Rabbits, coyotes, varmints, whitetail deer, wild pigs, and even black bear … don’t forget home defense .. 😮
I hunt in EXTREMELY heavy cover in the Mississippi River bottoms where even a 50 yard shot is considered long. I love my 336 and 94 in 30-30. But if I had to pick one cartridge it would be the 35 Whelen. I hand load so I always have ammo on hand, and I can shoot whatever bullet and velocity I want. I typically load very light, and the Whelen has never let me down.
I believe i used to have one of those. Its at the top of the list of the things i wish i hadn't have sold. " Big bore 94" XTR. a Beautiful lever action. I still have 2 boxes of mty cases. Best Wishes from Montana!
@@ryanehlis426 Marlin was not shy about chambering Winchester rounds. They chambered the .375 Win as well as the .356 Win., and of course the ubiquitous .30-30. I don't know if they ever loaded the .307 Win, though. The .356 Win was a .358 Win for lever actions and the .307 Win was the .308 of lever actions. Marlin had only one propietory loading and that is the .444 Marlin developed along with Remington cartridges.
@@Mark-uq9kmwell 375 win isn't completely a winchester chambering, all they did is take the marlin 38-55 cartridge from 1893 and raise the pressure for smokeless powder
I still today hunt with a 35 rem lever gun! Actually taking it out tomorrow for bear season! My dad bought it for me while mom was still pregnant with me, took my first buck with it!!! Its a sears roebuck/ marlin 336 variant, wouldnt trade it for the world!! Ill always pick levers over bolts and semis. I HATE to see 35 rem go by the way side!!
30-30 is an indisputable classic. The .35 Remington is the greatest lever action round ever invented. The .360 buckhammer looks to be another all time great in the spirit of the .35 rem, but I wouldn't buy it unless I just couldn't ever use my .35 rem anymore or I lived where there were some stupid restrictions that would mandate the straight-wall 360 buckhammer. All 3 are outstanding cartridges.
Ron, i was recently gifted my great grandfathers winchester model 55 non take down, manufacture year was 1929, its in a 32 special and excellent condition. this rifle has been carried by 4 generations in the deer woods here in pa, i plan to use it for a deer hunt in a few weeks, then a nephew, or my son and my nephews son, making it 6 generations to hunt with the rifle. its one of those things that just brings the tradition of deer hunting being passed down through the generations to life, i get goose bumps handling the rifle just knowing its history. thanks for the videos. be safe and a successful deer season to ya.
Just picked up two Henry's. I didn't see any options for a 35 rem. I got 2 Henry X models 357 and 45 Colt. I also have two Marlins. 336w 30-30 and 336cs 35rem. Would love a Henry in 35rem
Hornady's Leverevolution .35 Rem advertises a 200 grain bullet at 2225 fps muzzle velocity. A 200yd zero hits 3.8" high at 100. It is the most readily available and reasonably priced ammo I've seen for .35 Remington.
The 35 remington originally was developed for the autoloating remington rifle developed by John Browning. Once out there Marlin chambered rifles for it.
My old 1971 336 still het the nod on most days. I’ve got plenty of other options, but I’ve had it since 1976, my wife had bought it for me when we were still sweethearts. Her dad had an early 60s 94 worn white and I loved that gun. She saved up and bought me the Marlin new. It’s taken quite a few deer and hogs over the years and feels like a good pair of slippers when it goes with me. My eyes are getting old so it wears a 1-4x scope now, makes a great sight on low power in low light. If I was younger I might consider the 360 or other new kids out now. But there is no reason at this point for me. Plus if I were in a bind, 30-30 ammo is everywhere, from hardware stores to somebody can loan you a box. If it’s big fields the old Savage 06 would get the nod, but it’s mostly swamp and brush around here and the old Marlin is right at home. I have an uncle that may pass a 300 Savage 99 to me one day, I’ll have to use that too AND bridge the gap between the 30-30 and 06!
I purchased the 360 Buckhammer this year. In my state they have gone to an Alternative Firearm (takes the place of Muzzleloader). It's a nice-shooting rifle; gotta love the lever action rifles! By the way, I like loading mine by using the side-gate and unloading using the tube - works a little easier.
If you live in an area with the straight wall restriction, that Buckhammer looks pretty good, otherwise I'll stick with the .30-30. If I had a 336 in 35 Rem., I wouldn't trade it though.
You can also get a Marlin Lever action rifle in .444 Marlin, which delivers almost 3,000 ft lbs at 100 yards. Just in case a grizzly decides to invite himself to your deer hunt.
There is no doubt 30-30. In Canada and parts of Alaska it has taken down moose, deer, elk, bears (even grizzlies), caribou, mountain lions, etc. It has taken more game than any caliber in NA.
Recently purchased a 1965 Marlin 336 in 35 Remington. Stocked up on several boxes of 200 grain Remington corelokt and Hornady Leverevolution. The rifle just drips with nostalgia and feels perfect in the hand. Also added a Williams peep site 👌
These discussion always remind me of my childhood when arguments at deer camps were 30/30 vs 32 special vs 35 Rem…the answer is that any deer won’t know the difference but the conversation is entertaining…I have had a Marlin 336 in 35 Rem since I was a kid…it doesn’t see much use these days but those 200 grain Corelocks hit like a hammer and have never failed to anchor a deer in short order!
4 years ago, I purchased 200 pieces of brass and 300 bullets for the old 35 Remington. Factory ammo is scarce. Got a 336 and 141. Not retiring because of ammo shortage. I'll roll my own.😊
Great video Ron, being a southpaw I love lever actions, I own one in 30-30 Winchester and 35 Remington. I love both rifles and in both cartridges. What I like even more than lever action rifles are pump actions, you can maintain your hand grips on the gun and never have to pull your finger out of the trigger guard between shots. I own a pump-action in 30-30 Winchester and 35 Remington as well.
As a fellow southpaw, I like lever actions also, as long as they aren’t the newer ones with the cross bolt hammer safety. Thinking of picking up a Henry for that very reason.
@@charlesharper7292 It's pretty much as effective as any bolt action. But it's slim and sleek, even sleeker than a tube-fed lever action. All my other rifles look modern in comparison. The Henry has classic good looks.
@@WALTERBROADDUS That's sort of academic. The BLR is a Japanese copy of the original BLR, while the Henry is an original design made in the States. All these designs are recyclings of old ideas: rack-and-pinion gears, rotating bolts, etc.
I’ve read articles about this. They said the tooling was so old and worn out was one of the reasons they dropped it. That, and it takes a ‘ton’ of hand work to make with the original design. I’m with you though in wishing it would come back. I love mine. (Although mine has the detachable Box Magazine)
@@vincecolananni9158 Yeah The 99 is just one of the old classic guns that have to be extensively hand fitted and synchronized to cycle properly. All these modern doo dads can mostly be investment cast/CNC'ed and precision machine heat-treated and thrown together without requiring all the skilled craftsmen that used to put the firearms of the old generations together
Only shot one Never owned one The BLR's I've had and the old Marlins are just as smooth ( all much older guns than these newer versions) And a friend's brand new Henry 22LR was extremely smooth right out of the box when we got back with it. As much or more than his 39A he had before
Ron would you mind redoing this with Hornady Leverrevolution ammo for the 30-30 and 35 I believe the results will be much different. This ammo allows my Marlin 336c 35 Remington to shoot 1” groups and the velocities and energy is also much improved
So you missed the savage 99 in303 savage 250 savage and the 300 savage among other cal.the 99 was stronger and múch better designed.discontinued because of manufacturing costs there are over a million still out there.these rifles are even today marvels
not too many years ago a kid could buy a nice lever gun for $350 bucks at Walmart. now that marketing, greed, and big business has changed things a bit, that lever rifle is way over $1000. a bit more than most 12 year old kids can afford. the old lever rifles that grand paw gave me over 66 years ago are worth big bucks today, and the young kids today turn their noses up on the lowly under powered 35 rem, and 3030 win for the hotter latest and greatest of today. I still hunt with an old waffle top marlin 35 rem, lost count of deer taken by my father, and myself, way past few hundred deer and bear. May the 3030 win and 35 rem live forever!
But it's not marketing, greed and big business :) $1000 today is less than $350 not too many years ago. In a free market competition and elasticity of demand are checks on "greed". Things like monetary policy and anti-you-know-what legislation are not free market features. Add to that the decline of hunting - fewer new people are coming in, so there's less demand for hunting gear. Less demand means less volume, less economies of scale and thus higher costs and higher prices per unit. And then there's just newer technologies. Just like Winchester Model 12 got to be too expensive to make - too high quality to be competitive with the newer shotguns, which worked just as well, and just like the old pre-MIM Smith & Wesson revolvers also got to be too expensive to make to compete with modern methods, so it is with lever actions. They are older designs and can't be streamlined below a certain point. So new hunters might simply just go with a modern polymer stocked bolt action for less money, which will have better precision, easier scope mounting, lighter weight and also somewhat safer for newbies. I love lever actions but having recently introduced a few new hunters to them I find that the cocked hammer can be dangerous and they are better off with the simplicity of a bolt action, at least until they've built up the muscle memory and skill. But credit to Henry, their basic walnut and X models can be had for around $900, which IMHO is as much of a bargain in todays dollars as a $350 Marlin 336 from Walmart some years back. And I'd like to second your "May the 3030 win and 35 rem live forever!" - 100% agreed 👍
Don't forget about the non shooters/hunters that buy stuff like boots and hats and lever rifles to dress up and sit in front of the television with their rifle in their lap watching their new modern day "westerns " They'll pay whatever it takes to get whatever makes their fantasy more realistic in their head
I bought my first Marlin 336 in 1979 paid $105 for it at Kmart the next year on Maxwell Street day I bought my second one at Ace Hardware for 80 plus dollars
I've had BLR's from Belgium and Miroku both. One shoots as well as the other. Same with the Auro-5's I've had. No difference in performance or reliability or appearance
I have the 336 Marlin in 3030 and have taken deer at 200 yd but generally if I'm hunting in a clearing where I can get a shot further than that I will use my 3006 bar.. but I will have to respectfully disagree that an arrow in a bullet are the same. And arrow does spin and cut in an attempt to hemorrhage the animal out as fast as possible where is a bullet also tearing flesh or hitting bone structure and especially hitting nerves centers dump energy a different way inside the cavity that provides a shock value bat and arrow just doesn't do. I like your channel keep up the good work! I love your series on the 30-06 as well as your bear defense coverage
Any discussion of the origin of lever actions should mention how they were often used as saddle carbines, hence the saddle ring that became a standard feature of the Model 94. Hunters and soldiers alike wanted a rifle that could be shouldered in short order for taking longer shots while sitting in a saddle.
Our crew still does a lot of deer drives in WI. And somehow while turning 50 this year, I'm still one of the young guys that gets sent through the thick stuff. I added a red dot sight to my model 94 30/30 and it has really helped me pick up those quick shots. Add to that the hornady leverrevolution cartridges make me feel a little better when I do finally get to post a field and need to take a bit of a longer shot (probably more limited by the red dot or open sights at that point). I hadn't heard about the 360 buckhammer before this video. Living in OH, that might be an interesting option. But it's ironic that some of these new cartridges are becoming more powerful than the old ones that aren't permitted.
@@dimmymackster431 I don't know about QC problems? Remington made them for decades. Always popular here in Pennsylvania. It's always strange how the pump shotgun is highly desired. But the pump rifle, not so much...
Having the misfortune to be born a southpaw, I've had very few choices in left-handed bolt rifles and stringed musical instruments in my life. So I settled for leverguns and custom-built fiddles decades ago. The Marlin 39A and the Browning BLR in 7mm-08 have served me well. However, all the archery companies produce left-handed bows, so I've never had any trouble with that.
.358 Win or .356 Win. Other ideas: .338 Federal, .338 Marlin Express & .325 WSM. Pistol calibre lever-action rifles: .41 Magnum & maybe even the .327 Federal Magnum. Can't forget .243 Winchester. Copper ammo only, no lead in the meat, thanks. Love Ron's videos... Consider how he says, most North American hunters won't go above .30 cal. I think it's because it's 'military' & because 'three hundred' (the wording) anything sounds complete, so why go bigger? But I think it's a mistake to go no wider than .30 & I think the benefits have been well-proven.
Great video, I have the 30-30 and 35 Rem in levers, other calibers too because levers are cool! No 360BH, but that straight wall isn't something that was available when I first started collecting levers... Although I may have the 444 Marlin and 45-70 in SW too!
How do you like the BLR in 30/06? I’ve been wanting to get a BLR pretty bad for a while now in 30/06. I have my savage 116 weather warrior series in 30/06 left handed bolt since I’m a south paw. But ever since I got my 30/30 marlin 336 it’s honestly all I use and in fact since I’m a lefty I’ve really taken to lever actions. Hardly even take my savage 30/06 (which my best and nicest gun I have) I’ve been eyeing the BLR for some time.
I wish they never obsoleted the .300 Savage. I’ve got a lever 99 and a pump 760 in .300 savage but the bullet price is cost prohibitive for much shooting without learning to reload and spending a fortune. The rotary magazine in the 99 is so awesome though…
If you can find an old Lee Loader for .300 Savage, you can load your own on your coffee table. Hornady has a specific Interlock bullet for .300 Savage that works great. I had to buy my Lee Loader off Ebay and it was $125, but well worth it to put those guns back to work. Both are excellent hunting rifles.
Lever action rifles are some of my favorite rifles. I do have a 7-08, 308, and a 360 Buckhammer on my shopping list. My collection does already include a 22lr, 357mag, and a 45 Colt. That 45 Colt makes a big hole in things. Esecially with the 325gr bear load.
A friend of mine in high school had a bolt action 30-30 a Stevens 340 with a tasco scope with fine Cross hairs. And I don't think he could miss with that rifle. It was something to see. Then he always wanted a 300 WSM. and when he got one I don't know if he ever shot anything with it. And right before he passed away he told me he was thinking about going back to using his old rifle and like he said he could hit a moving deer or bear off hand with ease. But that magnum he had missed chips shots a couple times. Better to hit them with a 30-30 than to miss with a 309 magnum. And that is Everytime . Thanks Ron. That was the first thing that came to mind when the video started.
This was a lot of fun. You know Ron, you should do another one of these on lever guns for the pistol caliber cartridges like 357 and 44 mag! Both can work just fine on deer also, at close ranges in the woods.
Ammo price and availability far outweights balistic performance diferences. .30-30Win and .44 Rem Mag/.357 Rem Mag are sure bets. .360 Buckhammer is great but may quickly fade if .30-30 or .45-70 is legalized in "straight wall" states.
I'm in one of those areas. I have 30-30, 45Colt, 44Mag, 357Mag and 45-70. And I want the 360BH :) My revolver-caliber carbines are 92-style, so I can't easily have proper scopes on them, which limits them. Love the 45-70 but it does kick. 360BH seems like a sweet spot and is a perfect match for a Henry - a faux vintage but very well done. P.S. I also think that all those areas should at least legalize the historical deer calibers like 30-30 and 35Rem, even if they want to keep disallowing the more potent "proper" rifle calibers. It's rather pathetic that folks can't use the quintessential deer rifles to hunt deer. If those rounds perform at or below 45-70 and 360BH, there's no logical reason to ban them.
I’ve got that .32 Winchester Special - wonderful little brush gun. My daughter uses it these days, 4th generation with that rifle. She got her first elk with it this year. 😁
@@jakeoutdoors9600 I am. With the 200 grain Hornady XTP I have Chronographed them at 2967 Lee’s load data says you can get 2850 out of them. I shoot milk jugs with them dead on it 250 yards with no problem. I load many other rounds for them too, but I really like that one. I developed a 225 grain load with the Horn FTX, and I also load the 265 grain FTX.
@@CARLPHILLY I'm shooting 300 hard cast at like 1900 fps. I only shoot my 444 out to 200ish yards. If I think I'll have farther shots I will take a different gun out. Casting your own bullets saves you a lot of $ as well.
@@jakeoutdoors9600 yes sir I almost got into that, I do have friends that do it. There’s actually quite a few good bullets that you can buy for the 444 Nosler was making some ballistic silver tips for them, but I never could find any. I’m a big Nosler fan. I also shoot a 308 bolt action and a 270 bolt action.
35 REMINGTON WITH THE BUFFALO BORE 220 GR OR 230 GR YOU GET MORE VELOCITY AND MORE THUMP THAN EITHER THE 30-30 OR 360 BUCKHAMMER. IN MY HENRY I GET 2252 FPS (220) OR 2130 FPS (230) RATHER THAN THE 2200 FPS BUFFALO BORE CLAIMS FOR BOTH. BUFFALO BORE IS A LITTLE SPENDY THOUGH!
325 wsm out of my browning blr . I run the Winchester big game expedition . They are loaded with a 200 grain accubond that I’ve chronographed at an average of 2947fps at the muzzle . Is it too much for deer …yes . But it’s my only lever action 😂😂
Great video on the calibers and especially the history on how and where people were hunting in the early-mid 20th century. The late, great Jack O'Connor did a real world simulation. Well the best he could do. He shot through branches, twigs and leaves. He wanted to see which caliber was the best "brush" gun. He came up with the 270 Win. being the top spot. The amazing thing is a close second place was the 35 Rem. The other were way down the line. Even the 30/30 I always wanted to see that test recreated. Which caliber shoots through the brush to hit its target.
Great video Ron. I have a 2 model 94s a 1953 32 win and a 1959 30-30 both are great shooters and can put food on the table any time the hammer is dropped but the 30-30 has been in the woods far more times due to ammo availability over the years.
Having a Marlin 336 in 35 Rem is a family tradition
Certainly is. I and 2 of my cousins have one.
Not a thing wrong with the 35
Only "problem" in this area has
always been the scarcity of the
rifles and the accompanying
higher price of rifles and ammunition
Model '94 30-30 here
Same here....always dropped them. Hard hitting round....back in the day it dropped everything in North America.
@@maxpinson5002when it comes to expense or supply problems, there is no excuse. Reloading is easy to learn; and is always cheaper. ESPECIALLY today, when you have so many choices of websites with sales and clearances.
35 Remington is highly underrated.
I hand load for mine and it thumps.
I agree 100%
My fav is the 444 Marlin. Loved that round since I was 12 years old. Taken wolves, big bears, Moose,and many deer w it. Oh,and it is a Marlin lever
I bought my dad one of those in a Cva scout rifle with a nice leopold scope on it. It is accurate but kicks like a mule!
@@usa-rb5fi
Probably not as bad as you think
it does.
The 444's I've used are a good
hunting gun
Probably would beat on me
if I used really heavy bullets.
Most everything in my region
can easily be rendered with a
200-300 gr projectile
I fired it and it’s the non ported barrel version. It rocked me using leverevolutions from Hornady
@@usa-rb5fi
I load mine
They're still fairly stout, but
loaded less than maximum.
No problems perforating
game
I call mine my Sasquatch rifle
For me it is the Marlin 336 using 35 Rem from Hornady.
Ive been using the 30/30 for over 40 years. No issues.
I never tire of lever action vids from ron spomer!
Marlin 336 in 35 REM.
35 Remington
Ron my old friend (have been "following your since '75') in the woods I use a Henry lever in .357. Have found it works well especially in ranges of 100 yards and under. Keep up your good work sir. I love it.
Browning BLR removable mag.Great calibers.
I remember my dad in early 60's ordering (4) .32 winchester specials straight from the factory - delivered right to the post office ..... ahhh thos were the days we'ent they. 🤔
Back when criminals were punished instead of law abiding citizens
I own a Winchester model 94 30/30 manufactured 1962. It was my Dad's now it's mine.
You're grandfather was LL, Bean ? 😂I'm just kidding, you wanna sell the 1962 model 94 ? I lost all my guns in a boating accident they at the bottom of the ocean 🌊😉. 😊
@CC-Rider4564 yes Sir. I have heard that one before
@@jeffreybean5363 I use my dads old 94 as well. His was made in 1954. Cheers!
got one made in 67'.....still going strong.
Take care of it and it’ll serve you grandkids well in the woods and on the range. I like mine
I've dropped 3 does with my 30-30 Marlin 336 last year.
I'm a 270 man when it comes to my bolt action, but I'm now a believer in the 30-30.
I use both calibers as well, but my .30-30 is a bolt action. It’s a variant of the Savage 340. That’s my old reliable for whitetail.
Why not have the best of both worlds and get a browning blr in 270
Easy for me, because when I think lever I typically think “brush gun” or shorter range shots. .270 doesn’t exactly fit in the brush gun category.
@@invalidusername4732 I use my 270 for longer than brush gun distances.
@@usa-rb5fi Agreed.
My 270 is for longer distances.
The Savage 99 in .300 Savage is the best lever gun deer cartridge combo made. In eastern Canada this gun and cartridge combo is still very popular, fast shooting and good accuracy.
If you don't handload then Hornady's Superperformance SST 150 grain is near perfect. My son uses a Savage 99 in 30-30 Win and works nearly as well. A Model 99F with a 20 inch barrel is my go to deer gun for over 50 years, my first buck was taken with it in 1972.
I'm taking my late great uncle's 1964 Marlin 336 in .35Rem into the woods this season, and I've found that the 150gr Remington pointed soft point (one in the tube only) has had the best accuracy and felt recoil compared to the 200gr soft points. I shot a box of 20 150gr rounds at the range with no problem, but my shoulder is still sore after only 5 rounds of the 200gr!
Cant beat for woods gun/caliber
Get some hornady polymer tips, then you can have a full mag and make your rifle good out to 3 -400 yards.
Great video with some really useful information.
I've been a 35 fan since I was a kid. I love the old 30-30 almost as much.
300 savage model 99. My favourite caliber and lever action.
Winner
I'm fortunate. I have a model 94 in .30WCF, a model 336 in .35 Rem., and a model 99 in .308.
Well done. That's a great start!
Is your model 94 a pre 64?
@daneboro6847 Unfortunately not.
.30WCF, 1895-1896?, before the caliber was renamed 30-30??? I had an old octagon 94' chambered .30WCF.
@@MrBucidart It's a .30-30.
35 Rem in the Marlin 336. 😍 Or my Dad's 32 Win Special in a model 94.
My son and I used that combo for many years.
I've watched your videos for a while now. Finally subscribed. You really have a way of explaining things, and are a great on camera personality. Thank you for all you do.
Hi Ron still using my grandpaps 1894 30 wcf. 26" octagon barrel. I inherited this rifle when I was 8 years old. Original rifle. With the old style buck horn sights. Rifle was made in 1909. I use winchester 170 power points. Gets er done for me. I still wear his Woolrich coat and carry his hunting knife too. I had to get a case made for the knife. 😊
That's cool!!! ❤
Ron both the 35 rem and 30-30 are both get er done cartridges.
My most used rifle is Rossi lever action M92, sixteen inch barrel in .357 magnum, do a fifty cent action job, skinner sights , enjoy . 125 grain to 180 grain bullets at velocities from 900- 2300 fps provide a huge range of versatility. Rabbits, coyotes, varmints, whitetail deer, wild pigs, and even black bear … don’t forget home defense .. 😮
I hunt in EXTREMELY heavy cover in the Mississippi River bottoms where even a 50 yard shot is considered long. I love my 336 and 94 in 30-30. But if I had to pick one cartridge it would be the 35 Whelen. I hand load so I always have ammo on hand, and I can shoot whatever bullet and velocity I want. I typically load very light, and the Whelen has never let me down.
Always love lever action content. Just bought a nib 1980 Win 94 chambered in 375 Win. Great channel.
I believe i used to have one of those. Its at the top of the list of the things i wish i hadn't have sold.
" Big bore 94" XTR. a Beautiful lever action. I still have 2 boxes of mty cases.
Best Wishes from Montana!
I picked up a Marlin model 375 from the same era. It’s basically a 336 in 375 win cal.
@@ryanehlis426 Marlin was not shy about chambering Winchester rounds. They chambered the .375 Win as well as the .356 Win., and of course the ubiquitous .30-30. I don't know if they ever loaded the .307 Win, though. The .356 Win was a .358 Win for lever actions and the .307 Win was the .308 of lever actions. Marlin had only one propietory loading and that is the .444 Marlin developed along with Remington cartridges.
@@sawnut I have a Model 94 "big-bore" in 307 win. Bought it new in 1982. I still hunt with it.
@@Mark-uq9kmwell 375 win isn't completely a winchester chambering, all they did is take the marlin 38-55 cartridge from 1893 and raise the pressure for smokeless powder
I still today hunt with a 35 rem lever gun! Actually taking it out tomorrow for bear season!
My dad bought it for me while mom was still pregnant with me, took my first buck with it!!! Its a sears roebuck/ marlin 336 variant, wouldnt trade it for the world!! Ill always pick levers over bolts and semis. I HATE to see 35 rem go by the way side!!
30-30 is an indisputable classic. The .35 Remington is the greatest lever action round ever invented. The .360 buckhammer looks to be another all time great in the spirit of the .35 rem, but I wouldn't buy it unless I just couldn't ever use my .35 rem anymore or I lived where there were some stupid restrictions that would mandate the straight-wall 360 buckhammer.
All 3 are outstanding cartridges.
30-30 ammo is easy to find right now. I have a few. 160gr hornady 30-30 has over 2400fps+ out of my 24" barrel.
Ron, i was recently gifted my great grandfathers winchester model 55 non take down, manufacture year was 1929, its in a 32 special and excellent condition. this rifle has been carried by 4 generations in the deer woods here in pa, i plan to use it for a deer hunt in a few weeks, then a nephew, or my son and my nephews son, making it 6 generations to hunt with the rifle. its one of those things that just brings the tradition of deer hunting being passed down through the generations to life, i get goose bumps handling the rifle just knowing its history. thanks for the videos. be safe and a successful deer season to ya.
I have a Henry in 35rem. Awsome rifle.
Awesome caliber
Great info as always Ron!!! The 30-30 works for me. I love the channel!!!!
I had a Winchester big bore in 307,,that was a great deer rifle,hard to fine ammo,but when I found some I bought all, and bought the die set
Yes, Henry still makes a side-gate loading lever action rifle in 35 Remington.
They need to make more 35 Rem
Just picked up two Henry's. I didn't see any options for a 35 rem. I got 2 Henry X models 357 and 45 Colt. I also have two Marlins. 336w 30-30 and 336cs 35rem.
Would love a Henry in 35rem
338 marlin express but it never took off. Best by far.
Hornady's Leverevolution .35 Rem advertises a 200 grain bullet at 2225 fps muzzle velocity. A 200yd zero hits 3.8" high at 100. It is the most readily available and reasonably priced ammo I've seen for .35 Remington.
The 35 remington originally was developed for the autoloating remington rifle developed by John Browning. Once out there Marlin chambered rifles for it.
i have one of those. my grampa gave it to me. awsome gun!
Marlin 336 Texan straight grip stock in 35 Remington is my favorite.
I believe the .35 Rem is loaded down because of the old Remington auto loaders out there. If hand-loading you could work up a better load.
You are right. I load my own 35 shells and they are far more aggressive than factory loads.
@rags8855 Same here. I load the 180gr Speer to 2400fps, same as the Buckhammer, or heavy 250gr Hornady SubX at 1800fps. No slouch.
Model 336 in 35 remington
My old 1971 336 still het the nod on most days. I’ve got plenty of other options, but I’ve had it since 1976, my wife had bought it for me when we were still sweethearts. Her dad had an early 60s 94 worn white and I loved that gun.
She saved up and bought me the Marlin new. It’s taken quite a few deer and hogs over the years and feels like a good pair of slippers when it goes with me. My eyes are getting old so it wears a 1-4x scope now, makes a great sight on low power in low light.
If I was younger I might consider the 360 or other new kids out now. But there is no reason at this point for me.
Plus if I were in a bind, 30-30 ammo is everywhere, from hardware stores to somebody can loan you a box.
If it’s big fields the old Savage 06 would get the nod, but it’s mostly swamp and brush around here and the old Marlin is right at home. I have an uncle that may pass a 300 Savage 99 to me one day, I’ll have to use that too AND bridge the gap between the 30-30 and 06!
I purchased the 360 Buckhammer this year. In my state they have gone to an Alternative Firearm (takes the place of Muzzleloader). It's a nice-shooting rifle; gotta love the lever action rifles! By the way, I like loading mine by using the side-gate and unloading using the tube - works a little easier.
Gotta love it!
If you live in an area with the straight wall restriction, that Buckhammer looks pretty good, otherwise I'll stick with the .30-30. If I had a 336 in 35 Rem., I wouldn't trade it though.
Winchester model 71 in 348 win. Oldie but a goodie...
You can also get a Marlin Lever action rifle in .444 Marlin, which delivers almost 3,000 ft lbs at 100 yards. Just in case a grizzly decides to invite himself to your deer hunt.
Or Sasquatch
@@mathewgoebel4078 Or flying horses?
There is no doubt 30-30. In Canada and parts of Alaska it has taken down moose, deer, elk, bears (even grizzlies), caribou, mountain lions, etc. It has taken more game than any caliber in NA.
Actually no, we have surveys going back saying 30-06 has killed more and id bet 22lr has taken more too
The 45-70 before that did a lot
@@tatsuhirosatou5513 Care to share a link?
@handlesaredumb1 care to just Google it yourself
@handlesaredumb1 , you won't get a link.... 🤣🤣....30-30 wins. It's the common man's caliber.
358 win iBLR love it! 6:16
I second that.
Recently purchased a 1965 Marlin 336 in 35 Remington. Stocked up on several boxes of 200 grain Remington corelokt and Hornady Leverevolution. The rifle just drips with nostalgia and feels perfect in the hand. Also added a Williams peep site 👌
Marlin 444 got it for black bear but it does a fine job on deer
Yes
Does it without ruining any
valuable meat as well
These discussion always remind me of my childhood when arguments at deer camps were 30/30 vs 32 special vs 35 Rem…the answer is that any deer won’t know the difference but the conversation is entertaining…I have had a Marlin 336 in 35 Rem since I was a kid…it doesn’t see much use these days but those 200 grain Corelocks hit like a hammer and have never failed to anchor a deer in short order!
4 years ago, I purchased 200 pieces of brass and 300 bullets for the old 35 Remington. Factory ammo is scarce. Got a 336 and 141. Not retiring because of ammo shortage. I'll roll my own.😊
336 in 35rem here
Great video Ron, being a southpaw I love lever actions, I own one in 30-30 Winchester and 35 Remington. I love both rifles and in both cartridges. What I like even more than lever action rifles are pump actions, you can maintain your hand grips on the gun and never have to pull your finger out of the trigger guard between shots. I own a pump-action in 30-30 Winchester and 35 Remington as well.
As a fellow southpaw, I like lever actions also, as long as they aren’t the newer ones with the cross bolt hammer safety. Thinking of picking up a Henry for that very reason.
I like the Henry 6.5cm lever. It's not tube-fed, but it's lever action. The model is called the "long ranger".
Nice rifle.
@@charlesharper7292 It's pretty much as effective as any bolt action. But it's slim and sleek, even sleeker than a tube-fed lever action. All my other rifles look modern in comparison. The Henry has classic good looks.
I have one of the long rangers in .308 win… kicks like a mule but it’s accurate 👍
@@ryanbudney3356 it's basically a copy of the Browning BLR.
@@WALTERBROADDUS That's sort of academic. The BLR is a Japanese copy of the original BLR, while the Henry is an original design made in the States. All these designs are recyclings of old ideas: rack-and-pinion gears, rotating bolts, etc.
Marlin 336 in 30-30 in the tried an true winner when it comes to deer
Ron is Outdoors of the Year, ever year in my book. Well done sir!
Wish Savage would bring back the Model 99 with the rotary magazine.
If they did, they'd have to have
it made overseas, or maybe
subcontracted by Henry
I’ve read articles about this. They said the tooling was so old and worn out was one of the reasons they dropped it. That, and it takes a ‘ton’ of hand work to make with the original design. I’m with you though in wishing it would come back. I love mine. (Although mine has the detachable Box Magazine)
@@vincecolananni9158
Yeah
The 99 is just one of the old
classic guns that have to be
extensively hand fitted and
synchronized to cycle properly.
All these modern doo dads
can mostly be investment
cast/CNC'ed and precision
machine heat-treated and
thrown together without
requiring all the skilled
craftsmen that used to
put the firearms of the
old generations together
The model 99 beats all other lever actions.
Only shot one
Never owned one
The BLR's I've had and the old
Marlins are just as smooth
( all much older guns than these
newer versions)
And a friend's brand new Henry
22LR was extremely smooth
right out of the box when we
got back with it. As much or
more than his 39A he had before
Well that's easy: 405 Winchester. Teddy Roosevelt says so.
I had honestly forgotten about this cartridge
Ron would you mind redoing this with Hornady Leverrevolution ammo for the 30-30 and 35 I believe the results will be much different. This ammo allows my Marlin 336c 35 Remington to shoot 1” groups and the velocities and energy is also much improved
30-30
So you missed the savage 99 in303 savage 250 savage and the 300 savage among other cal.the 99 was stronger and múch better designed.discontinued because of manufacturing costs there are over a million still out there.these rifles are even today marvels
not too many years ago a kid could buy a nice lever gun for $350 bucks at Walmart. now that marketing, greed, and big business has changed things a bit, that lever rifle is way over $1000. a bit more than most 12 year old kids can afford. the old lever rifles that grand paw gave me over 66 years ago are worth big bucks today, and the young kids today turn their noses up on the lowly under powered 35 rem, and 3030 win for the hotter latest and greatest of today. I still hunt with an old waffle top marlin 35 rem, lost count of deer taken by my father, and myself, way past few hundred deer and bear. May the 3030 win and 35 rem live forever!
But it's not marketing, greed and big business :) $1000 today is less than $350 not too many years ago. In a free market competition and elasticity of demand are checks on "greed". Things like monetary policy and anti-you-know-what legislation are not free market features. Add to that the decline of hunting - fewer new people are coming in, so there's less demand for hunting gear. Less demand means less volume, less economies of scale and thus higher costs and higher prices per unit.
And then there's just newer technologies. Just like Winchester Model 12 got to be too expensive to make - too high quality to be competitive with the newer shotguns, which worked just as well, and just like the old pre-MIM Smith & Wesson revolvers also got to be too expensive to make to compete with modern methods, so it is with lever actions. They are older designs and can't be streamlined below a certain point. So new hunters might simply just go with a modern polymer stocked bolt action for less money, which will have better precision, easier scope mounting, lighter weight and also somewhat safer for newbies. I love lever actions but having recently introduced a few new hunters to them I find that the cocked hammer can be dangerous and they are better off with the simplicity of a bolt action, at least until they've built up the muscle memory and skill. But credit to Henry, their basic walnut and X models can be had for around $900, which IMHO is as much of a bargain in todays dollars as a $350 Marlin 336 from Walmart some years back.
And I'd like to second your "May the 3030 win and 35 rem live forever!" - 100% agreed 👍
Don't forget about the non
shooters/hunters that buy
stuff like boots and hats
and lever rifles to dress up
and sit in front of the television
with their rifle in their lap
watching their new modern
day "westerns "
They'll pay whatever it takes
to get whatever makes their
fantasy more realistic in their
head
I bought my first Marlin 336 in 1979 paid $105 for it at Kmart the next year on Maxwell Street day I bought my second one at Ace Hardware for 80 plus dollars
Don't forget that a 12 or 13 yr old kid today can buy a decent quantity budget bolt rifle for $350-400 that we never could have dreamed of.
Browning BLR in 308.
Brownings BLR covers a lot of cartridges, from 22-250 to 300 Win Mag.
Except for straight wall states, only offer it in 450 Marlin. Missing the boat with no 350 Legend.
I've had BLR's from Belgium and Miroku both. One shoots
as well as the other.
Same with the Auro-5's I've
had. No difference in performance or reliability or
appearance
@@razdog76 I wouldn't get a 350 Legend. I would go for the .358 Win, which they offer in a magazine fed rifle life the BLR.
Glad I stumbled on this gives me answers in looking for especially hunting missouri woods
Still keeping my .35 thanks!
Savage Model 99 in .300 Savage is perfect.
The leverevolution 35 ammo pushes the 35 to 2200fps, with the flex tip bullet, a game changer. I also have the model 88 in 308, slick rifle.
Savage 99 in .300 Savage is the best lever action rifle and cartridge combo ever made.
NO DOUBT about it.
I have the 336 Marlin in 3030 and have taken deer at 200 yd but generally if I'm hunting in a clearing where I can get a shot further than that I will use my 3006 bar.. but I will have to respectfully disagree that an arrow in a bullet are the same. And arrow does spin and cut in an attempt to hemorrhage the animal out as fast as possible where is a bullet also tearing flesh or hitting bone structure and especially hitting nerves centers dump energy a different way inside the cavity that provides a shock value bat and arrow just doesn't do. I like your channel keep up the good work! I love your series on the 30-06 as well as your bear defense coverage
I have, & use the Marlin .35cal
Any discussion of the origin of lever actions should mention how they were often used as saddle carbines, hence the saddle ring that became a standard feature of the Model 94. Hunters and soldiers alike wanted a rifle that could be shouldered in short order for taking longer shots while sitting in a saddle.
The 1873 was made with the Saddle Ring. Even the 1860s had a calvary carbine.
@@mikerobinson6606 That only makes sense when you consider the horse was perhaps the most common way to travel short of trains or stagecoaches.
The old 348, hard to beat, model 71.
Hornady chambers for the 35 rem
My choice is the 30-30.
I have 2 marlins model 30AS and a model 336 both in 30.30, love it.
Our crew still does a lot of deer drives in WI. And somehow while turning 50 this year, I'm still one of the young guys that gets sent through the thick stuff. I added a red dot sight to my model 94 30/30 and it has really helped me pick up those quick shots. Add to that the hornady leverrevolution cartridges make me feel a little better when I do finally get to post a field and need to take a bit of a longer shot (probably more limited by the red dot or open sights at that point).
I hadn't heard about the 360 buckhammer before this video. Living in OH, that might be an interesting option. But it's ironic that some of these new cartridges are becoming more powerful than the old ones that aren't permitted.
🙋🏽♂️ for all the reasons you mentioned; why did pump-action rifles never gain the Same Love?
My uncle has a Rem. 7600 in .308. He was lethal on deer drives.
Noise. And rattling Remington 760, 7600...
Probably because levers were already so popular and a lot of the pump guns had QC problems.
@@dimmymackster431 I don't know about QC problems? Remington made them for decades. Always popular here in Pennsylvania. It's always strange how the pump shotgun is highly desired. But the pump rifle, not so much...
@@WALTERBROADDUS that’s good to hear. Pump rifles don’t have a good rep. Where I’m from.
Having the misfortune to be born a southpaw, I've had very few choices in left-handed bolt rifles and stringed musical instruments in my life. So I settled for leverguns and custom-built fiddles decades ago. The Marlin 39A and the Browning BLR in 7mm-08 have served me well. However, all the archery companies produce left-handed bows, so I've never had any trouble with that.
My grandfather's 32 special is over 90 years old still works good
.358 Win or .356 Win. Other ideas: .338 Federal, .338 Marlin Express & .325 WSM. Pistol calibre lever-action rifles: .41 Magnum & maybe even the .327 Federal Magnum. Can't forget .243 Winchester. Copper ammo only, no lead in the meat, thanks. Love Ron's videos... Consider how he says, most North American hunters won't go above .30 cal. I think it's because it's 'military' & because 'three hundred' (the wording) anything sounds complete, so why go bigger? But I think it's a mistake to go no wider than .30 & I think the benefits have been well-proven.
Great video, I have the 30-30 and 35 Rem in levers, other calibers too because levers are cool!
No 360BH, but that straight wall isn't something that was available when I first started collecting levers... Although I may have the 444 Marlin and 45-70 in SW too!
I have a 356 win I recently inherited that I can't wait to use this season. BLR 30/06 for the long stuff.
How do you like the BLR in 30/06? I’ve been wanting to get a BLR pretty bad for a while now in 30/06. I have my savage 116 weather warrior series in 30/06 left handed bolt since I’m a south paw. But ever since I got my 30/30 marlin 336 it’s honestly all I use and in fact since I’m a lefty I’ve really taken to lever actions. Hardly even take my savage 30/06 (which my best and nicest gun I have) I’ve been eyeing the BLR for some time.
I wish they never obsoleted the .300 Savage. I’ve got a lever 99 and a pump 760 in .300 savage but the bullet price is cost prohibitive for much shooting without learning to reload and spending a fortune. The rotary magazine in the 99 is so awesome though…
I reload for the 300 Savage. I make brass from military surplus 308 brass. Its easy and doesn't have to be real expensive to get set up.
If you can find an old Lee Loader for .300 Savage, you can load your own on your coffee table. Hornady has a specific Interlock bullet for .300 Savage that works great. I had to buy my Lee Loader off Ebay and it was $125, but well worth it to put those guns back to work. Both are excellent hunting rifles.
Lever action rifles are some of my favorite rifles. I do have a 7-08, 308, and a 360 Buckhammer on my shopping list. My collection does already include a 22lr, 357mag, and a 45 Colt. That 45 Colt makes a big hole in things. Esecially with the 325gr bear load.
What about the 358 win ? It's a good woods round. Have a great day
It's a great 250 yard round too.
A friend of mine in high school had a bolt action 30-30 a Stevens 340 with a tasco scope with fine Cross hairs. And I don't think he could miss with that rifle. It was something to see. Then he always wanted a 300 WSM. and when he got one I don't know if he ever shot anything with it. And right before he passed away he told me he was thinking about going back to using his old rifle and like he said he could hit a moving deer or bear off hand with ease. But that magnum he had missed chips shots a couple times. Better to hit them with a 30-30 than to miss with a 309 magnum. And that is Everytime . Thanks Ron. That was the first thing that came to mind when the video started.
This was a lot of fun. You know Ron, you should do another one of these on lever guns for the pistol caliber cartridges like 357 and 44 mag! Both can work just fine on deer also, at close ranges in the woods.
Ammo price and availability far outweights balistic performance diferences. .30-30Win and .44 Rem Mag/.357 Rem Mag are sure bets. .360 Buckhammer is great but may quickly fade if .30-30 or .45-70 is legalized in "straight wall" states.
I'm in one of those areas. I have 30-30, 45Colt, 44Mag, 357Mag and 45-70. And I want the 360BH :) My revolver-caliber carbines are 92-style, so I can't easily have proper scopes on them, which limits them. Love the 45-70 but it does kick. 360BH seems like a sweet spot and is a perfect match for a Henry - a faux vintage but very well done.
P.S. I also think that all those areas should at least legalize the historical deer calibers like 30-30 and 35Rem, even if they want to keep disallowing the more potent "proper" rifle calibers. It's rather pathetic that folks can't use the quintessential deer rifles to hunt deer. If those rounds perform at or below 45-70 and 360BH, there's no logical reason to ban them.
300 Savage. In. Model 99 Savage
I’ve got that .32 Winchester Special - wonderful little brush gun. My daughter uses it these days, 4th generation with that rifle. She got her first elk with it this year. 😁
300 savage model 99 is the rifle of true woodsman.
Thank God someone posted this! I was going to say this video is fake news if the Savage 99 in 300 Savage wasn't included. 😁
@outdoordauber only the real ones know what's what. 😂
I guess my grandpa knew what's up? Thanks for sending it my way, Pop.
The 35 rem was absolutely a buck killer ! Not the 30-30 good for 50yds or you might be able to find it !
Thanks, Ron. It might be interesting to see your rundown of straight wall, pistol cartridge lever actions.
444 marlin is the best
I second this. Especially if the hunter is also a reloader who reloads 44 Magnum as well.
@@jakeoutdoors9600 I am. With the 200 grain Hornady XTP I have Chronographed them at 2967 Lee’s load data says you can get 2850 out of them. I shoot milk jugs with them dead on it 250 yards with no problem. I load many other rounds for them too, but I really like that one. I developed a 225 grain load with the Horn FTX, and I also load the 265 grain FTX.
@@CARLPHILLY I'm shooting 300 hard cast at like 1900 fps. I only shoot my 444 out to 200ish yards. If I think I'll have farther shots I will take a different gun out. Casting your own bullets saves you a lot of $ as well.
It certainly is not the worst!
@@jakeoutdoors9600 yes sir I almost got into that, I do have friends that do it. There’s actually quite a few good bullets that you can buy for the 444 Nosler was making some ballistic silver tips for them, but I never could find any. I’m a big Nosler fan. I also shoot a 308 bolt action and a 270 bolt action.
35 REMINGTON WITH THE BUFFALO BORE 220 GR OR 230 GR YOU GET MORE VELOCITY AND MORE THUMP THAN EITHER THE 30-30 OR 360 BUCKHAMMER. IN MY HENRY I GET 2252 FPS (220) OR 2130 FPS (230) RATHER THAN THE 2200 FPS BUFFALO BORE CLAIMS FOR BOTH. BUFFALO BORE IS A LITTLE SPENDY THOUGH!
My son took over my 4570 so I bought a Buck hammer I was very pleased last season
I really like that 30 30. It's nice to have options but the 30 30 is old reliable
325 wsm out of my browning blr . I run the Winchester big game expedition . They are loaded with a 200 grain accubond that I’ve chronographed at an average of 2947fps at the muzzle . Is it too much for deer …yes . But it’s my only lever action 😂😂
Great video on the calibers and especially the history on how and where people were hunting in the early-mid 20th century. The late, great Jack O'Connor did a real world simulation. Well the best he could do. He shot through branches, twigs and leaves. He wanted to see which caliber was the best "brush" gun. He came up with the 270 Win. being the top spot. The amazing thing is a close second place was the 35 Rem. The other were way down the line. Even the 30/30 I always wanted to see that test recreated. Which caliber shoots through the brush to hit its target.
Great video Ron. I have a 2 model 94s a 1953 32 win and a 1959 30-30 both are great shooters and can put food on the table any time the hammer is dropped but the 30-30 has been in the woods far more times due to ammo availability over the years.
Savage 99 - 308 win
Browning BLR is available in quite a few high pressure calibers with pointed bullets usually found in bolt action rifles.
Agreed!
Yes sir!!, got my Dad's handed down to me!, take it into the woods every November, great rifle, even greater memories!!