I agree with Ryan it is basically a 22-250 with more mass. I taught many coworkers who had never shot a gun before the joy of hitting a 2 liter soda from across the field.
Guy I knew made a pretty decent supplemental income with that exact same setup. This was before the days when calling was really a thing, and a good pelt would fetch 60-70 dollars. He had a knack for spotting them and would get 40-50 a year. Back in the 70s that was pretty serious money.
I found it a bit annoying that Ryan kept coming back to hunting deer when the question was Coyotes. 243 would likely pass through and isn't moving as fast with more drop.
I was just noticing the 33:21 time on the “10” minute talk also. Get to the point guys. The longer it takes to say the less likely the info is worth the investment of time.
Let's say barrel life is 1200 rounds..... if I get the opportunity to take 1000 shots during any hunting scenario with one rifle I'm going to be a very happy guy! A new barrel CAN cost less than $500. All said and done the most expensive component in a rifle are the bullets.
My 6.5prc waypoint drives the 95gr v max over 3600fps…3666fps my highest so far…little to hot so i backed em down a scotch…havnt shot game yet but man what it does to a 20oz at 250yrds is wicked….itll send pieces n all directions if you center punch one…my fn spr .308 puts 110v max and varmageddons over 3500fos from 24” barrel and just as devastating…dyin to hit something besides jugs to test penetration and expansion which is minimal…
I am a 6,5 Grendel guy because I have the rifle, the brass, bullets, the dies. It has been around for 20 years. Howa has made a 6.5 Grendel for a long long time and plenty of AR from PSA to Alexander Arms. Ruger makes a bolt gun in 6.5 Grendel and I am sure they have an Arc as well if not they will!
Agreed. I have a PSA 20” Grendel that’ll shoot lights out over any of my bolt guns. I load Shooters World Match Rifle with a 120gr TTSX or even a 120gr SMK on top, and I consistently get 0.5-0.6, maybe 0.7 MOA on a rough day off a bipod and rear bag. Both the TTSX and the SMK overlap with the same load data out to 400 yards. My record on a pasture poodle is 363 yards, and I’d be very comfortable with 400 and 100% guaranteed DOA with 1 shot through a Pulsar thermal. But my next setup will likely be a Savage 25 chambered in .204. That speed just has me all hot and bothered.
I run a 75 grain vmax in a .243 win MV-3470 (avg) I'm in SE Missouri . Shots vary greatly. Depending on where I'm hunting. Most of the time we are hunting over hayfields. (Because we like to shoot long) we typically hunt in 2 or 3 man teams. Each guy has a different job and weapon. The caller is in charge of the call and decoy he is usually running the shotgun loaded with 3" #4 buck and a XF choke. The Postman (Because he sends it) will carry the bolt gun. And is responsible for all long shots. And if there is a 3rd guy we call him the Pepper, he carries an .223 ar with lpvo and is responsible for dogs on the run. So as Ryan would say "it depends" but ultimately they will all wax a song dog. That's how my crew does it in SEMO. Good luck out there and hunt safe
6.5CM is a very popular chambing in todays rifles. I picked up a sig cross in 6.5cm for coyote hunting because it made since to me. light weight, accurate, packable, removable mags and the 18” barrel works great with a suppressor. Ive been using it for 2 years now for nothing but coyotes and havent looked back. 90gr Noslers and 95vmax work awesome on coyotes. 187 Coyotes where taken with that rifle in 2023. Im excited for the new 100gr eld-VT. Hopefully I will get to try those out soon.
I find these "what is the ideal caliber?" discussions very entertaining. It's good for the deer camp discussion, the barroom debate and so on. Personally, here's my take: What is the ideal caliber for coyote? My answer: .308 What is the ideal caliber for eastern woodland white tail deer? My answer: .308 What is the ideal caliber for elk? My answer: .308 What is the ideal caliber for feral hogs? My answer: .308 Are you seeing a trend here? I ask myself: Can I hit the target in a vital area? Will it deliver enough power for a clean kill? If the answer is yes and yes, then it's right. Other calibers work well, of course, but I choose .308 because I have one I shoot very well, and it kills cleanly. As Col. Cooper said "If you shoot something with the .308, it stays shot." ...plus the inexpensive availability of NATO 7.62mm M80 ball encourages frequent practice without the chore of reloading. What else is needed? Well, thanks for an entertaining podcast, and please keep up the good work.
Im a fan of a fast twist 22-250 with a 60 grain pill of various assortments. The ability to hold on hair out to 300-500 yards when a hasty shot is required is nearly unprecedented
@jeffbyram9043 it does a great job of it with a 75 grain bullet. But honestly how far out can you shoot a coyote? Let's be honest, on a yote 500 yards might as well be a mile. As fast as that bullets moving it doesn't drop much all things considered.
The 22-250 has been the most popular coyote cartridge in my part of the world for many years. Flat trajectory and doesn’t take long to get there on moving targets it seems to be the bolt gun choice.
As a 6.5 Grendel lover, of coarse the Grendel is the best. And is a gas gun, and kills Deer, I reload so I’m biased. Just rest easy, I’m right and everyone else is wrong….🤥 unless it’s almost every other rifle cartridge made😀😀😀 we all got our favorites. I think the yotes are in trouble. Loved the conversation!
I love this cartridge so much that I now have 3 rifles in this cartridge. One is an AR-15, one Ruger American, and a Howa 1500. Both bolt guns shoot lights out! My AR is less accurate, with most groups averaging around an 1 1/2 to 2 inches.
@@TAWier I agree. I have the Howa also. It’s scary accurate. I really appreciate it when I get another rifle out. I’m in Tennessee…so the Grendel covers everything. My cousin in Montana kills Elk with his. I’ve never done that, but I don’t doubt what he says..
Grendel is my latest build in the AR platform. I just polished all the touch points and disassembled the bolt and polished everything, so it moved easily when lubed lightly. The results of a cheap 20-inch BCA side charging upper, when paired with a tight lower with a 3.5 lb. Drop in trigger is groups you can easily cover with your thumb at 100 yds. I also have a BCA 350 legend 18 inch, that after a lot of polishing and mag mods, gets the same 100 yd groups . The cold hammer forged barrels have been quite impressive so far. So, I'd yote with either because I live in East Texas and shots over 200 yds are rare.
Already is, sooo many guys around me have switched to it, especially handloaders. Seems like every dog hunter around me is running it in an ar platform now. Most very content, now with 22 arc several are chompin at that bit lol.
And y’all know that we load them up up to bolt rifle specs there’s no reason you can’t especially when using the proper bolt on an AR it’ll last for a long time
I have 243 , I doubt I will shoot out the barrel,so I don’t see any reason to change since have gun have components even if a better cartridge comes along Very happy with 243 Winchester
Been running 6 ARC last two years and currently building 22 ARC not speed demons but super efficient. Small rifle primer and ar15 mag length. Hard to beat.
South Texas ... I use my 6.5 grendel lighter weight bullets for the added velocity... much like the .243 concept. it's a great middleweight contender. I have an 18" gas gun. but have taken deer and hogs also. most stuff down here is considerably smaller due ti climate and food sources😊
Have you looked at Hammer 80gr 6.5mm for the Grendel? It will do 3020-3120fps from an 18”. 90gr TNT Federal factory ammo is great too, as is the 95gr V-MAX. 90gr Federal TNT does 2900fps from my 17.6” Lilja Grendel.
@@pjbarney9580 Even 110gr PPU has been very flat-shooting for me from my 12" Grendel. I've made multiple 1st-round hits at 780yds with it, no misses, then connected 1st-round at 900yds on a 1.5-2 MOA plate. Couldn't believe it.
@LRRPFco52 I have a great number of .264 Les Baer Custom in 20" barrels and built grandson a 6.5 Grendel in 16" all Type II. I love the 6.5 Grendel cartridge but finding ammo flat out sucks. It's a shame too.
223 definitely does the job. I know it’s not cartridge talks but con we bring in more about barrel life in the talks? Especially when it comes to varmints. Including magnum calibres. Love the podcast. Great work guys
The industry tends to hide the fact that barrels are a disposable component - perhaps not to scare away potential customers with an increased operating cost. It's the main reason i grab a 6.5 when my more accurate harder hitting 300PRC sits in the safe - barrel life. Worst experience i have had for varminting was with a Savage .17WSM that shot lights out new but after only 2 days and 2 cases of ammo (only 1000 rounds) the barrel was throwing groups almost 4 times the size of when it was new. We bore scoped it - cleaned it to bare metal - still would not shoot. Really opened my eyes as to how fast you can burn out a barrel on a fast chambering.
@@cameronbaker7959 True enough but the ratio of 1 barrel to 1 gopher colony is a very painful cost added to your ammo and gasoline. Stepped back to a .22LR that's accurate up to a couple hundred yards and between the ammo cost and the fact it wont burn barrels its great for the job.
22 Creed is way more popular than you all think. 22 Creed where your restricted to 22 cal for sure. I think New York is only 20 cal. I'd probably do 243 if i could. An once you go thermal you can't go back lol
@@waynehendrix4806I can say with certainty their “historical expert” guy is a joke who gets tons wrong. This channel is flawed probably because it’s a podcast???
@@waynehendrix4806years ago I had unfortunately had a lot of issues with 3 different AR’s. Went to mini 14 target out of frustration. Took off the barrel resonator and put on a rubber Hogue stock. 1-1 1/2” groups at a 100 yards. Has never jammed and very reliable and pretty handy. Awesome road gun. Now it’s not my sneak gun but I really like it. Now the regular mini 14’s yes are pretty bad when it comes to accuracy
@@kevinmartin2096 Where are you at? I ran a gun store from 2015-2021 in North East Montana. We sold a TON of .204. Most popular for coyotes has always been .223, .22-250. Sold about a case of 58 grain .243 V-Max every 2 years.
As a caveat to my previous comment, the 6ARC is also a phenomenal choice for coyotes due to the bullets it is currently loaded with, in particular the 108gr ELD-M. The ELD-M bullets aren't expressly designed for hunting, but they can do the job well as long as they're not pushed to ridiculous velocities. They act like a middle ground between an ELD-X and a V-Max, they have a thinner jacket and "weaker" construction kind of luke a V-Max, but have a lot more weight and sectional density, and penetrate a lot more like an ELD-X while still allowing for more rapid expansion than you'd typically see with an ELD-X. For the game that i hunt, with the cartridges i shoot, i have begun to adore the ELD-M bullet design because it gives a lot of forgiveness when you get to lower velocities in terms of minimum velocity required for expansion. If you start them out at modest velocities and allow the B.C. to do its job, then they turn moderate rifles into bona-fide hammers even at long(er) distances. I hunt big game with a 7mm-08 and I KNOW that that cartridge, loaded with a 162gr ELD-M will have enough velocity to allow for great expansion while still xarrying ample energy for even elk-sized game out to 500 and even 600yds, all while not pushing bullet failure at closer ranges like 50-100yds. If my shot is further than 600yds I'm either not taking it or doing my damnedest to get closer, im not looking for tye longest shot i can possibly take, but i want to know that if im confident i can hit the animal i can out it down cleanly and quickly. The 6ARC loaded with a 108gr ELD-M will do that for any coyote at any range I'm willing to shoot one, my 7mm-08 loaded with a 162gr ELD-M will do that for any larger animal I would ever encounter at the ranges I'd shoot them too. If used properly the ELD-M is an absolutely marvelous bullet. The 73gr variety in .223 is what i have loaded in my home defense gun, and I know for a fact that it will perform and expand all the way out to 500+yds from my AR while still being devastating up close if i ever have to use it. One of my first deer when i got back into hunting as an adult was taken with a 73gr ELD-M from my AR and it turned the heart and lungs into soup. I ised it on the recommendation from a friend who hunts with his AR and that's what started me on my journey of loving and professing the benefits of the ELD-M bullet design. It DOES. NOT. handle extremely high velocity impacts well though, so i am not trying to claim its perfect. But as long as your impact velocity is between 2600-1300fps you will observe very lethal results with proper shot placement. It tends to perform best out of "normal" modest cartridges like .308, 7mm-08, or 6.5 Creedmoor. pushing it much faster than 2800fps can give you undesirable results unless you're ONLY shooting past 300+yds for more "powerful" cartridges. ELD-M is just ELD-X that performs at lower velocities, do with that information what you will.
@@chevyon37s Yes he does. I remember he said it pained him to acknowledge how good the 270 Win is. Really Ryan? I'm not sure if he's just stirring the pot or this just a chance for him to air his grievances to the world.
243 is “ok” at everything… however here in the dakotas not many deer/pronghorn get taken with rifles after November so the WAAAAAAAY too large 243 projectiles are much to destructive on pelts!!!! 🎙️⬇️ In all reality my hunting partner shoots 243 and he anchors coyotes lol!
He doesn’t like the 250 bc he doesn’t own one and has never had the “wow” factor of how inheritently accurate the cartridge is. You can have it in a gas gun if you want Also I think my 243 with a brake kicks harder then my 22-250 does
My last two coyotes were taken with 450 Bushmaster. It was devastating. I’m in heavy wooded area so distance is not a concern. I wanted a cartridge for hogs, deer, coyote, and anything else that needs dropping in its tracks.
Terrain and vegetation affect the decision in my opinion. I live down in the brush country of South Texas. On my place, a long shot might be 100yds. Why? The elevation changes and thick brush make seeing much beyond that quite impossible. Because I have one dedicated to the task, I use a 20" AR-15 in 5.56/223 with a 3-9 power scope. It works perfectly fine. Prior to getting that rifle, I was using a Savage bolt action, same cartridge. Still a good option IF you won't be needing to engage more than one. We have stealth coyotes. They are slinkers. They use concealment as much as possible. However, most of the coyotes get shot out by my chicken house. That shot from the back porch is 30 to 40 yards max. That is a 22LR shot easy. My wife has a Ruger 10/22 she keeps by the back door and she has gotten the last two. (those are her chickens, just ask her. She DOES NOT like predators!).
That was a really interesting conversation. I am not a hunter, but I am a gun builder and shooter. Based on [your conversation] and my own experience, I personally think that the 6 ARC has absolutely eclipsed everything from .243 Winchester on down. I have both a gas gun and a bolt gun in 6 ARC. On the gas gun I am running a Wilson Combat 18” Tactical Hunter 1 in 7.5” twist. I am getting 2617fps with Hornady Match 108gr ELDs. An 18" gas gun is losing approximately 150fps from factory tested with a 24" barrel. I have found the 18" gas gun to have about 35fps less muzzle velocity than a 22" bolt gun. I am able to get 3/4” groups at a 100yds from the bench, on a bipod and trap bag. I don’t know why more manufacturers are making the cartridge yet, but I have found Hornady BLK and Match readily available at around $1.10 per round. My very personal belief is that it will become the U.S. Military’s new battle rifle cartridge. SOCOM is using it right now as their secondary behind 5.56. I do not believe that the 6.8x51 will ever have more than a limited use in the military, but that is another story for a different day.
Im another 6.5 grendel fan!!! It can run in a gas gun or mini action bolt gun... can handle deer, coyote, and able to buck the wind as well as reach out and touch em. I love mine in a 16in light weight AR build.
I'd argue that the velocity of the 22-250 makes it better than the 223 at 200-300 on a moving target which wasn't discussed. You're looking at half the drop, and 33-50% more energy from the 22-250 by the time you're out there.
No one is chambering 22 CM yet, it was only approved a few months ago. I'd love to get a Tikka in 22 CM when they finally get around to making one.@@packerjh2
Absolutely love listening to these podcasts, I'm still a fairly new hunter and soaking in info like a sponge. Ive learned alot just from listening to these. Currently, I'm running a Savage Axis in .243 winchester and reloading my own ammunition (65gr Hornady V-max running 3290fps). Ive just got my setup done and haven't had much chance to try it out, but i have taken a coyote or 2 with a .223 out of an AR-15 at fairly close range and its done well.
similar to the 6 arc is the 6.5 grendel, which will also be available soon with a 100 grain eld-vt load. Like the 6 arc, it will make predators plenty dead without undesirable rapid unscheduled disassembly
For an AR-15 platform, 6.5 grendel is the way to go with the 6 arc only losing because of availability, if 223 isn't doing it for you. I dont think 224 Valkyrie is any better at light and fast than a 223 with factory loads, so your only advantage is throwing +75gr match bullets alittle faster, and every forum that i have read comparing 224 Valkyrie and 6 arc has the same outcome of people sayings they have rebarreled their 224 to 6 Arc for a more versatile gun. The 6 arc doesn't have the availability of the grendel yet, even though 6mm is probably the best diameter for the case size to get a good combination of velocity and b.c. with a 90 to 110gr bullet. For the 6.5 grendel, Federal lists the 90gr tnt at 3000fps muzzle, or if you plan on +300 yard shots the 123gr edl match will deliver energy on target. Only problem with the grendel is the moderate velocities of the +120gr bullets means large drops especially +300 yards where drop distances may become greater than the height of the coyote you're shooting at, this is where the 6 arc would have a little advantage with a lighter and faster bullet but the same b.c.
Since I found a load in my 224 that shot well, I can pretty consistently get hits past 800 yards, and 1000 yards, although tricky, is fairly realistic.
I love the 25/06, soooo easy to reload and devastation on anything you hit! Blows the 243 out of the water, in fact on this podcast, they stated the 25/06 blows the 6.5 C out the water. And it does out to 3-400 yds.
Nice presentation. The 243 is probably the best answer. As far as the 22-250: I don't know I've ever actually seen one in person. Could the 224 Valk not be loaded with the lighter 58gr Vmax and outperform a 223? I know it's designed for heavy for caliber bullets, but does something prevent using lighter pills? Seems to me that would go a long way toward bringing the AR up to (closer anyway) par with a 22-250 bolt gun. I'm in heavily wooded and rapidly growing Central NC. Coyotes are a newish issue here. But they're numerous down along the wetlands half a mile below my house. Debating 223 vs 6.5 Grendel vs 6.5CM. I have all three in bolt and gas guns. I have Controlled Chaos loads for both 6.5 rounds, so that's where I lean. All sorts of varmint rounds in 223 and even Federal 110gr varmint loads in 308. Always enjoy these. I do wish the didn't ramble quite so much so as to stay somewhere close to the stated 10 minute mark. But it's cool when I have half an hour to kill.
If a 223 is good enough and a 243 is the best at anchoring and longer distance. The 22-250 has to be perfect. I run 22-250 mostly, 243 for wintertime coats and longer distances. TSS #2 is pretty hard to beat in the shotgun.
I think you have to separate them into fur friendly and not fur friendly. 204, 223, 22-250, 22 dpc, or 22 arc. Non fur friendly, 22 creed, 6 creed, 243, and bigger. Since I own multiple of those calibers, my favorite is the 22 dpc (Thanks Desert Precision).
Tell that to the ammo manufacturers too, who have all but dropped anyting this is not extremely fragmenting for "awe factor" among new shooters. Very few fur friendly bullets left in .224
Would be a better podcast if they talked bullet, bullet load, how far from the jam is and case preparation. Or even talk factory hot loads with a specific bullet type and weight. Because without those all rifle calibers are good and bad when it comes to killing yotes. Hell the ultimate rifle wood be a 50 BMG Example a .223 shoots a 35 to 85 grains in many different variations, tails and olives. A 22-250 will do the same. Which one is better well a 22-250Varmint Grenade won't stabilize in a 1/14 or 1/12 twist. But it will in a .223 1/8 or 1/9. Sure the .243 will and anchor a yote its shooting a 74-110 bullet in various configurations, however it wont anchor one with match bullets like a Sierra 90gr Match-King, Lapua 100gr Scenar, and Berger 100gr VLD. What I just said was just some of the variables n a coyote rifle of your choosing! Again all calibers are good and bad on yotes. These guys need more time killing yotes and allot more time understanding ballistics and bullet energy. I can say this and back up what I say as I have been trapping and calling yotes since the Burnham Brothers first aired on American Sportsman in 1966. When Dennis Kirk started making cassette tapes in the 1970s.
I've lived in SD and WY for most of my life, and while I'm no expert, I've done lots of coyote/PD hunting using multiple rifle/cartridge combinations. IMO the 6 ARC is about as good as it gets for coyote hunting. It's a highly efficient low recoil round, flat shooting, has great bullet selection and is an inherently accurate round that can be used in a bolt or gas gun (nearly identical to the most accurate cartridge ever created...the 6PPC). As the 6mm caliber is the foremost BR caliber, bullet mfgs tend focus a lot of attention on high BC, supremely accurate bullets which give the "regular guy" access to unbelievably accurate bullets. An often overlooked aspect to coyote rifles is weight. If you're doing it right, you will be covering a lot of ground and a lightweight rifle is simply a necessity. Being a short action cartridge, you can save weight in a bolt rifle simply due to the shorter action length. With the low recoil of the 6 ARC, it has a distinct advantage over larger 6mm rounds, specifically the 243 and 6mm Rem, to be able to see your hits. While the 223 is my all time favorite cartridge and a capable coyote round (within reasonable distances), I've seen too many spinners and "get away's" to recommend it (along with anything smaller like the 204, 22 WM, Hornet, etc). In contrast, the 6.5 cartridges will work just fine, but it's overkill IMO and the ability to see hits and recoil become a factor. Finally, the 22-250 is also a superb coyote hunting cartridge (and would be my second choice behind the 6 ARC), but the 6 ARC has the distinct advantage of higher BC, heavier, wind bucking bullets.
More muzzle blast in a 22-250!!! What!!!... Maybe you should try one with a longer barrel or not run it so hot then... Im sorry but the 22-250 is better than 223 in every way... You dont have to run them at the bleeding edge and theyll still outperform a 223 on a mild load
Love my .243 with 65 grain vmax. Knocks them flat and usually only a small entry hole with no exit and jelly on the inside. th-cam.com/video/E1sQTVCk680/w-d-xo.html
20 inch 5.56 pencil barrel upper for AR15 on a KP15 lower 👌 I have a 16 inch lightweight build on a kp15 lower and it’s so lightweight and handy. .243 is a really good choice though for small to medium game and it’s capable of a longer shot while still having plenty of energy. Great video
Ok- my turn, the questions should be - distance - terrain- prximity to population- for instance in my yard out to 150 yds i grab a 22MAG or 17HMR ,SOMETIMES my 17HORNET. Out to 250 or so perhaps my 20" DMR AR, ,beyond 250 or on a dedicated YOTE hunt it's time for the 24" /22NOSLER AR. Several yrs ago i got hooked on assembling ARs for different tasks, hence the various calibers, the proper tool for every task😂 -
Honestly I feel 300blk is the best for the coyote at 300 yards scenario it's got plenty of power at that range and if you want it to be lightweight then you could use a ruger ranch rifle running 120 Barnes jhps your full kit with scope and loaded p mag would only be around 8 pounds.
The 6 arc seems to be the new multi purpose gun. You can run a 58-75gr vmax for yotes, then run the 80gr Barnes ttsx for deer. A lot of people are predator hunting with the ARC
Best cartridge for coyote for everything you guys talked about in the video- distance, gas gun, etc etc……….6.8spc and it still doubles as midrange deer/ hog and it also performs well on bobcat. I don’t live out west but from my experience with the cartridge on deer and hogs I would say it would work well for wolves and mountain lions at intermediate ranges as well. And I’ll add that even though I don’t own one nor have I ever shot one, 6.5 Grendel seems like it would be a good choice as well. I have had much better success with deer using the 6.8 over the 243. 6.8SPC over every caliber y’all mentioned for every purpose y’all discussed (caveat: bullet selection is key). Two years ago y’all performed a podcast speaking about the 6.8 spc. Interject this conversation into that one and redefine some enthusiasm for the 6.8 cartridge.
I have two gas guns there great got one that is a 20-inch barrel and I just built one with a 24-inch barrel. Can't wait to the new V-match round at extend ranges and see how it shoots. Only problem with 6 ARC or 6.5 Gredel is Lancer does not make mags for them. Which is what I run on all my standard AR-s.
With regards to the customer who said you cant say "it depends" then i would say overall, for the widest variety of ranges, the .22 Creedmoor is the most versatile. You can run light bullets at blistering speeds just like .22-250, or you can run heavy bullets that hold their velocity well and hit harder at distance like the 6mm & 6.5 Creedmoors. If youre talking purely the most versatile and beat coyote rifle, now if it's pulling double duty as a deer or even elk gun I'd go bigger, the 6mm Creedmoor would be my absolute minimum for elk leaning much more toward 6.5 Creedmoor (as far as this converstion goes) But with a .22 Creed you can run it in a bolt OR gas gun, with bullet weights bewteen 45-95 grains and so with one cartridge you can hunt close or long range, and semi or bolt action. For coyotes specifically it has devastating potential at any sane distance and crazy versatility.
I agree with 243 being top choice. It’s been a around for a long time and it’s not really going to leave you wishing it was something else.
So Versital and Accurate !
Been using mine since the early 90’s from coyote to hogs to whitetail.
I agree with Ryan it is basically a 22-250 with more mass. I taught many coworkers who had never shot a gun before the joy of hitting a 2 liter soda from across the field.
.243 Federal 80 grain soft points. Oh yeah!
Well said. Best of luck in the field. 🍻
If there is such a thing as the perfect coyote setup, Ryan's new Howa Carbon in 6ARC is a strong contender for that title. We need an update!
22-250 is my choice. Ruger M77 hearvy barrel. The topic is best coyote caliber not dual purpose caliber.
Guy I knew made a pretty decent supplemental income with that exact same setup. This was before the days when calling was really a thing, and a good pelt would fetch 60-70 dollars. He had a knack for spotting them and would get 40-50 a year. Back in the 70s that was pretty serious money.
I found it a bit annoying that Ryan kept coming back to hunting deer when the question was Coyotes. 243 would likely pass through and isn't moving as fast with more drop.
Barrel burner though.
I love how all these 10 Minutes Talks are a half hour long.
I was just noticing the 33:21 time on the “10” minute talk also. Get to the point guys. The longer it takes to say the less likely the info is worth the investment of time.
Would be nice to get back to the 10 minute then post a long format too. Double the views
@@mrjeffjob10 minutes isnt long enough. Kind of a meme now.
If you don’t care about the fur a 25-06 with 85gr nosler or 90gr sierra blitzing at around 3600fps is absolutely amazing on yotes!!
Devastating on the barrel life too!
@@foonus406 barrels are consumables
Let's say barrel life is 1200 rounds..... if I get the opportunity to take 1000 shots during any hunting scenario with one rifle I'm going to be a very happy guy!
A new barrel CAN cost less than $500. All said and done the most expensive component in a rifle are the bullets.
@@foonus406 you’ll get 2000 rounds through it easy.
My 6.5prc waypoint drives the 95gr v max over 3600fps…3666fps my highest so far…little to hot so i backed em down a scotch…havnt shot game yet but man what it does to a 20oz at 250yrds is wicked….itll send pieces n all directions if you center punch one…my fn spr .308 puts 110v max and varmageddons over 3500fos from 24” barrel and just as devastating…dyin to hit something besides jugs to test penetration and expansion which is minimal…
I am a 6,5 Grendel guy because I have the rifle, the brass, bullets, the dies. It has been around for 20 years. Howa has made a 6.5 Grendel for a long long time and plenty of AR from PSA to Alexander Arms. Ruger makes a bolt gun in 6.5 Grendel and I am sure they have an Arc as well if not they will!
Grendel is awesome. I have a bolt and gas rifle in it. 6 ARC is great too. Ruger already has a 6 ARC and is chambering it in their new Gen 2 line.
6.5 Grendel 👍👍
Ruger 👎👎
Just built my own grendel in an AR for deer or yotes or whatever else comes by
Agreed. I have a PSA 20” Grendel that’ll shoot lights out over any of my bolt guns. I load Shooters World Match Rifle with a 120gr TTSX or even a 120gr SMK on top, and I consistently get 0.5-0.6, maybe 0.7 MOA on a rough day off a bipod and rear bag. Both the TTSX and the SMK overlap with the same load data out to 400 yards. My record on a pasture poodle is 363 yards, and I’d be very comfortable with 400 and 100% guaranteed DOA with 1 shot through a Pulsar thermal.
But my next setup will likely be a Savage 25 chambered in .204. That speed just has me all hot and bothered.
I love mine with the Barnes ttsx 120gr
I run a 75 grain vmax in a .243 win MV-3470 (avg) I'm in SE Missouri . Shots vary greatly. Depending on where I'm hunting. Most of the time we are hunting over hayfields. (Because we like to shoot long) we typically hunt in 2 or 3 man teams. Each guy has a different job and weapon. The caller is in charge of the call and decoy he is usually running the shotgun loaded with 3" #4 buck and a XF choke. The Postman (Because he sends it) will carry the bolt gun. And is responsible for all long shots. And if there is a 3rd guy we call him the Pepper, he carries an .223 ar with lpvo and is responsible for dogs on the run.
So as Ryan would say "it depends" but ultimately they will all wax a song dog.
That's how my crew does it in SEMO.
Good luck out there and hunt safe
I deer hunt down in licking and salem mo. Would love to go hunting with your crew for song dogs.
Sounds like you’ve got all possible scenarios covered… well planned
Postman because he sends it. Love. That. Many thanks 😊
6.5CM is a very popular chambing in todays rifles. I picked up a sig cross in 6.5cm for coyote hunting because it made since to me. light weight, accurate, packable, removable mags and the 18” barrel works great with a suppressor. Ive been using it for 2 years now for nothing but coyotes and havent looked back. 90gr Noslers and 95vmax work awesome on coyotes. 187 Coyotes where taken with that rifle in 2023. Im excited for the new 100gr eld-VT. Hopefully I will get to try those out soon.
220 swift
I find these "what is the ideal caliber?" discussions very entertaining. It's good for the deer camp discussion, the barroom debate and so on.
Personally, here's my take:
What is the ideal caliber for coyote? My answer: .308
What is the ideal caliber for eastern woodland white tail deer? My answer: .308
What is the ideal caliber for elk? My answer: .308
What is the ideal caliber for feral hogs? My answer: .308
Are you seeing a trend here?
I ask myself: Can I hit the target in a vital area? Will it deliver enough power for a clean kill? If the answer is yes and yes, then it's right. Other calibers work well, of course, but I choose .308 because I have one I shoot very well, and it kills cleanly. As Col. Cooper said "If you shoot something with the .308, it stays shot." ...plus the inexpensive availability of NATO 7.62mm M80 ball encourages frequent practice without the chore of reloading.
What else is needed?
Well, thanks for an entertaining podcast, and please keep up the good work.
I like your logic
Have you considered the .308?
Ideal and acceptable arent the same word.
308 is king of versatility. Carries plenty of energy out to and past 500 yards👌
Im a fan of a fast twist 22-250 with a 60 grain pill of various assortments. The ability to hold on hair out to 300-500 yards when a hasty shot is required is nearly unprecedented
I think you were talking about close to the idyllic Setup for foxes. I live in Australia so we do not have coyotes
@happyhorsexxx I bet it would work on Dingos killing your livestock too. Or are Dingos protected?
@happyhorsexxx but yes.. it works wonders on grey and red fox as well. Also bobcat and Lynx while we're talking about it.
Only knock on 250, it doesn’t buck the wind as well
@jeffbyram9043 it does a great job of it with a 75 grain bullet. But honestly how far out can you shoot a coyote? Let's be honest, on a yote 500 yards might as well be a mile. As fast as that bullets moving it doesn't drop much all things considered.
The 22-250 has been the most popular coyote cartridge in my part of the world for many years. Flat trajectory and doesn’t take long to get there on moving targets it seems to be the bolt gun choice.
As a 6.5 Grendel lover, of coarse the Grendel is the best. And is a gas gun, and kills Deer, I reload so I’m biased. Just rest easy, I’m right and everyone else is wrong….🤥 unless it’s almost every other rifle cartridge made😀😀😀 we all got our favorites. I think the yotes are in trouble. Loved the conversation!
I love this cartridge so much that I now have 3 rifles in this cartridge. One is an AR-15, one Ruger American, and a Howa 1500. Both bolt guns shoot lights out! My AR is less accurate, with most groups averaging around an 1 1/2 to 2 inches.
@@TAWier I agree. I have the Howa also. It’s scary accurate. I really appreciate it when I get another rifle out. I’m in Tennessee…so the Grendel covers everything. My cousin in Montana kills Elk with his. I’ve never done that, but I don’t doubt what he says..
Grendel is also my favorite
Grendel is my latest build in the AR platform. I just polished all the touch points and disassembled the bolt and polished everything, so it moved easily when lubed lightly. The results of a cheap 20-inch BCA side charging upper, when paired with a tight lower with a 3.5 lb. Drop in trigger is groups you can easily cover with your thumb at 100 yds.
I also have a BCA 350 legend 18 inch, that after a lot of polishing and mag mods, gets the same 100 yd groups . The cold hammer forged barrels have been quite impressive so far.
So, I'd yote with either because I live in East Texas and shots over 200 yds are rare.
I fall into this group as well. My 6.5 Grendel AR build is a tack driver… also love my 224 Valkyrie for coyote.
I think given a few more years, the 6 ARC will be a stand-out Coyote round.
Already is, sooo many guys around me have switched to it, especially handloaders. Seems like every dog hunter around me is running it in an ar platform now. Most very content, now with 22 arc several are chompin at that bit lol.
And y’all know that we load them up up to bolt rifle specs there’s no reason you can’t especially when using the proper bolt on an AR it’ll last for a long time
I have 243 , I doubt I will shoot out the barrel,so I don’t see any reason to change since have gun have components even if a better cartridge comes along
Very happy with 243 Winchester
Hmm, not likely... it will fall from gra e in the field like the overrated 6.5CM
Been running 6 ARC last two years and currently building 22 ARC not speed demons but super efficient. Small rifle primer and ar15 mag length. Hard to beat.
With the possibility of wind, and longer shots, the 243 is a great choice with the availability of the ammo.
Bolt gun: 22-250 with a 55gr ballistic tip
Gas gun: 6.5 Grendel with about a 110gr varmint projectile. A close second would be an AR -10 in .243
.243 for me, used to use a .204 but wolf population is getting high and i wanted some extra horsepower for the big pups
South Texas ... I use my 6.5 grendel lighter weight bullets for the added velocity... much like the .243 concept. it's a great middleweight contender. I have an 18" gas gun. but have taken deer and hogs also. most stuff down here is considerably smaller due ti climate and food sources😊
Have you looked at Hammer 80gr 6.5mm for the Grendel? It will do 3020-3120fps from an 18”. 90gr TNT Federal factory ammo is great too, as is the 95gr V-MAX. 90gr Federal TNT does 2900fps from my 17.6” Lilja Grendel.
@@LRRPFco52 I will have to look into those, Thanks
@@pjbarney9580 Even 110gr PPU has been very flat-shooting for me from my 12" Grendel. I've made multiple 1st-round hits at 780yds with it, no misses, then connected 1st-round at 900yds on a 1.5-2 MOA plate. Couldn't believe it.
Maker Trex 85gr bullet...
@LRRPFco52
I have a great number of .264 Les Baer Custom in 20" barrels and built grandson a 6.5 Grendel in 16" all Type II.
I love the 6.5 Grendel cartridge but finding ammo flat out sucks.
It's a shame too.
223 definitely does the job. I know it’s not cartridge talks but con we bring in more about barrel life in the talks? Especially when it comes to varmints. Including magnum calibres. Love the podcast. Great work guys
The industry tends to hide the fact that barrels are a disposable component - perhaps not to scare away potential customers with an increased operating cost. It's the main reason i grab a 6.5 when my more accurate harder hitting 300PRC sits in the safe - barrel life.
Worst experience i have had for varminting was with a Savage .17WSM that shot lights out new but after only 2 days and 2 cases of ammo (only 1000 rounds) the barrel was throwing groups almost 4 times the size of when it was new. We bore scoped it - cleaned it to bare metal - still would not shoot. Really opened my eyes as to how fast you can burn out a barrel on a fast chambering.
@@foonus406 yes barrels are consumables…. It is what it is shoot as much as you want they’re relatively cheap
For 95% of people barrel life doesn’t really matter. If you know about barrel life/care about it you probably already know what calibers to avoid.
@@cameronbaker7959 True enough but the ratio of 1 barrel to 1 gopher colony is a very painful cost added to your ammo and gasoline. Stepped back to a .22LR that's accurate up to a couple hundred yards and between the ammo cost and the fact it wont burn barrels its great for the job.
@@foonus406 i think every figure in that statement is exaggerated but 👍🏻
22 Creed is way more popular than you all think. 22 Creed where your restricted to 22 cal for sure. I think New York is only 20 cal. I'd probably do 243 if i could. An once you go thermal you can't go back lol
While I don’t hunt dogs, I’m a little surprised that the .22WMR didn’t at least come into the conversation
I have to tread very carefully here, but after hearing the mini-14 video... I'm questioning the intelligence of "this channel".
No good over 100-130 tops is why
@@waynehendrix4806I can say with certainty their “historical expert” guy is a joke who gets tons wrong.
This channel is flawed probably because it’s a podcast???
@@waynehendrix4806what did they say about the mini?
@@waynehendrix4806years ago I had unfortunately had a lot of issues with 3 different AR’s. Went to mini 14 target out of frustration. Took off the barrel resonator and put on a rubber Hogue stock. 1-1 1/2” groups at a 100 yards. Has never jammed and very reliable and pretty handy. Awesome road gun. Now it’s not my sneak gun but I really like it. Now the regular mini 14’s yes are pretty bad when it comes to accuracy
.204 is SUPER popular for coyotes in Eastern Montana.
Minnesotan here, got four 204's in our p.dog hunting group that we take to s. Dakota.
I don't understand his "lead balloon" comment
@@randyfrieler5524
lol no it’s not.
lol no it’s not. Either 243 or 22-250
@@kevinmartin2096 Where are you at? I ran a gun store from 2015-2021 in North East Montana. We sold a TON of .204. Most popular for coyotes has always been .223, .22-250. Sold about a case of 58 grain .243 V-Max every 2 years.
As a caveat to my previous comment, the 6ARC is also a phenomenal choice for coyotes due to the bullets it is currently loaded with, in particular the 108gr ELD-M. The ELD-M bullets aren't expressly designed for hunting, but they can do the job well as long as they're not pushed to ridiculous velocities. They act like a middle ground between an ELD-X and a V-Max, they have a thinner jacket and "weaker" construction kind of luke a V-Max, but have a lot more weight and sectional density, and penetrate a lot more like an ELD-X while still allowing for more rapid expansion than you'd typically see with an ELD-X.
For the game that i hunt, with the cartridges i shoot, i have begun to adore the ELD-M bullet design because it gives a lot of forgiveness when you get to lower velocities in terms of minimum velocity required for expansion. If you start them out at modest velocities and allow the B.C. to do its job, then they turn moderate rifles into bona-fide hammers even at long(er) distances.
I hunt big game with a 7mm-08 and I KNOW that that cartridge, loaded with a 162gr ELD-M will have enough velocity to allow for great expansion while still xarrying ample energy for even elk-sized game out to 500 and even 600yds, all while not pushing bullet failure at closer ranges like 50-100yds. If my shot is further than 600yds I'm either not taking it or doing my damnedest to get closer, im not looking for tye longest shot i can possibly take, but i want to know that if im confident i can hit the animal i can out it down cleanly and quickly.
The 6ARC loaded with a 108gr ELD-M will do that for any coyote at any range I'm willing to shoot one, my 7mm-08 loaded with a 162gr ELD-M will do that for any larger animal I would ever encounter at the ranges I'd shoot them too.
If used properly the ELD-M is an absolutely marvelous bullet. The 73gr variety in .223 is what i have loaded in my home defense gun, and I know for a fact that it will perform and expand all the way out to 500+yds from my AR while still being devastating up close if i ever have to use it. One of my first deer when i got back into hunting as an adult was taken with a 73gr ELD-M from my AR and it turned the heart and lungs into soup. I ised it on the recommendation from a friend who hunts with his AR and that's what started me on my journey of loving and professing the benefits of the ELD-M bullet design.
It DOES. NOT. handle extremely high velocity impacts well though, so i am not trying to claim its perfect. But as long as your impact velocity is between 2600-1300fps you will observe very lethal results with proper shot placement. It tends to perform best out of "normal" modest cartridges like .308, 7mm-08, or 6.5 Creedmoor. pushing it much faster than 2800fps can give you undesirable results unless you're ONLY shooting past 300+yds for more "powerful" cartridges.
ELD-M is just ELD-X that performs at lower velocities, do with that information what you will.
In the Appalachian mountains the 223 gas gun is best. I’ve used everything from 55 grain sp to 75 gr BTHP.
204 all the way! Shot placement! If you can cover 3,4,5 shots with a nickel 204 no questions!
Theres a lot of calibers you can do that with
I use many but I love my 204 ruger for daylight hunts! Pretty cool seeing bullet impacts
YEAH .204 RUGER IS SUPREME
I thermal hunt here in Indiana and I’ve never had a coyote get away after I hit it with a 32 grain 204
@@lukejames2049same here. I’ve never lost one with mine and rarely had runners! I shoot a hand loaded 39 blitzking and it’s absolutely deadly
Please rename this podcast to “22 reasons why Ryan has beef with the 22-250”
Dude has random beef with a few great cartridges.
@@chevyon37s Yes he does. I remember he said it pained him to acknowledge how good the 270 Win is. Really Ryan? I'm not sure if he's just stirring the pot or this just a chance for him to air his grievances to the world.
243 is “ok” at everything… however here in the dakotas not many deer/pronghorn get taken with rifles after November so the WAAAAAAAY too large 243 projectiles are much to destructive on pelts!!!! 🎙️⬇️
In all reality my hunting partner shoots 243 and he anchors coyotes lol!
@@linescum444 it is
He doesn’t like the 250 bc he doesn’t own one and has never had the “wow” factor of how inheritently accurate the cartridge is. You can have it in a gas gun if you want
Also I think my 243 with a brake kicks harder then my 22-250 does
My last two coyotes were taken with 450 Bushmaster. It was devastating. I’m in heavy wooded area so distance is not a concern. I wanted a cartridge for hogs, deer, coyote, and anything else that needs dropping in its tracks.
That'll damn sure do it 😂😂😂
😐😐😂
After what I saw a 250gr do to my doe a couple years ago it must have damn near cut those coyotes in half 😂
Went straight past 6,.25,6.5,6.8, 7mm, .30,.33,and .35 😂
Thats one expensive and gruesome coyote kill lol
LOVE the 6 ARC.... this is an AMAZING round and needs to be talked about more !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well…not too much cuz I still need more brass!!
@@russherbert839 its on a bunch of websites just sells out fast, shows its a popular round, but yes needs more support, bc its so popular
love mine
@@russherbert839 amen
Still the same bullet shot out of a 243 but a little bit slower does the same thing.
Terrain and vegetation affect the decision in my opinion. I live down in the brush country of South Texas. On my place, a long shot might be 100yds. Why? The elevation changes and thick brush make seeing much beyond that quite impossible. Because I have one dedicated to the task, I use a 20" AR-15 in 5.56/223 with a 3-9 power scope. It works perfectly fine. Prior to getting that rifle, I was using a Savage bolt action, same cartridge. Still a good option IF you won't be needing to engage more than one. We have stealth coyotes. They are slinkers. They use concealment as much as possible. However, most of the coyotes get shot out by my chicken house. That shot from the back porch is 30 to 40 yards max. That is a 22LR shot easy. My wife has a Ruger 10/22 she keeps by the back door and she has gotten the last two. (those are her chickens, just ask her. She DOES NOT like predators!).
I use 204 and 22-250 on ring seals. Bearded seals here in the Arctic in Baffin Island
Got my first Coyot with my 270 (150 federal fusion) while deer hunting and listening to the 10mm vortex podcast.
That was a really interesting conversation. I am not a hunter, but I am a gun builder and shooter. Based on [your conversation] and my own experience, I personally think that the 6 ARC has absolutely eclipsed everything from .243 Winchester on down. I have both a gas gun and a bolt gun in 6 ARC. On the gas gun I am running a Wilson Combat 18” Tactical Hunter 1 in 7.5” twist. I am getting 2617fps with Hornady Match 108gr ELDs. An 18" gas gun is losing approximately 150fps from factory tested with a 24" barrel. I have found the 18" gas gun to have about 35fps less muzzle velocity than a 22" bolt gun. I am able to get 3/4” groups at a 100yds from the bench, on a bipod and trap bag. I don’t know why more manufacturers are making the cartridge yet, but I have found Hornady BLK and Match readily available at around $1.10 per round. My very personal belief is that it will become the U.S. Military’s new battle rifle cartridge. SOCOM is using it right now as their secondary behind 5.56. I do not believe that the 6.8x51 will ever have more than a limited use in the military, but that is another story for a different day.
I believe my 25-250 (aka 250 Savage, 250-3000) is the perfect combo compromise.
Just got a savage 99 in 250-3000 as well. Great little round.
@@MrToddles12nice! Mine is a hand built Remington 600 Mohawk.
Im another 6.5 grendel fan!!! It can run in a gas gun or mini action bolt gun... can handle deer, coyote, and able to buck the wind as well as reach out and touch em. I love mine in a 16in light weight AR build.
I'd argue that the velocity of the 22-250 makes it better than the 223 at 200-300 on a moving target which wasn't discussed. You're looking at half the drop, and 33-50% more energy from the 22-250 by the time you're out there.
If your coyotes have spotted you at 2-300 yards and are running - you've got bigger issues to deal with than your rifle's chambering..
That's a lot of assumptions@@foonus406
you ar correct! SPEED KILLS!!
22 creedmoor
No one is chambering 22 CM yet, it was only approved a few months ago. I'd love to get a Tikka in 22 CM when they finally get around to making one.@@packerjh2
Absolutely love listening to these podcasts, I'm still a fairly new hunter and soaking in info like a sponge. Ive learned alot just from listening to these. Currently, I'm running a Savage Axis in .243 winchester and reloading my own ammunition (65gr Hornady V-max running 3290fps). Ive just got my setup done and haven't had much chance to try it out, but i have taken a coyote or 2 with a .223 out of an AR-15 at fairly close range and its done well.
55 gr sierra 1365 in a 22-250 22-250 ai 220 swift or 22 creed is a sweet spot for performance and minimal pelt damage
100% Sierra #1365
similar to the 6 arc is the 6.5 grendel, which will also be available soon with a 100 grain eld-vt load. Like the 6 arc, it will make predators plenty dead without undesirable rapid unscheduled disassembly
I love my 224 valkyrie for yotes. Not sure if you have done a episode on the round. Like what it could have been and where it went wrong
Yep, Valkyrie is a much better caliber than 223... except for popularity.
Can't believe you left out .22 Hornet for Coyotes
For an AR-15 platform, 6.5 grendel is the way to go with the 6 arc only losing because of availability, if 223 isn't doing it for you. I dont think 224 Valkyrie is any better at light and fast than a 223 with factory loads, so your only advantage is throwing +75gr match bullets alittle faster, and every forum that i have read comparing 224 Valkyrie and 6 arc has the same outcome of people sayings they have rebarreled their 224 to 6 Arc for a more versatile gun. The 6 arc doesn't have the availability of the grendel yet, even though 6mm is probably the best diameter for the case size to get a good combination of velocity and b.c. with a 90 to 110gr bullet. For the 6.5 grendel, Federal lists the 90gr tnt at 3000fps muzzle, or if you plan on +300 yard shots the 123gr edl match will deliver energy on target. Only problem with the grendel is the moderate velocities of the +120gr bullets means large drops especially +300 yards where drop distances may become greater than the height of the coyote you're shooting at, this is where the 6 arc would have a little advantage with a lighter and faster bullet but the same b.c.
You guys should look at long range ar15 cartridges. 224 Valkyrie, 6.5 Grendel, 22 arc, etc
224 valkyrie has been a disappointment for me and some buddys. I went back to 223 and been happy
Valkyrie and Grendel are great for coyotes.
@jakal104 yea if you can get one to shoot decent
24" barrel and a fast twist rate worked for me out of my AR. But I never intended it to be more then about a 300 yard gun. Got to be a realist right
Since I found a load in my 224 that shot well, I can pretty consistently get hits past 800 yards, and 1000 yards, although tricky, is fairly realistic.
Running a 6 arc 58 gr Vmax and 223 53 gr Vmax. Love them.
243 win with 70 gr Nosler or 75 gr Vmax are deadly.
6 creed 75-87 gr Vmax
25/06 hands down.
I love the 25/06, soooo easy to reload and devastation on anything you hit! Blows the 243 out of the water, in fact on this podcast, they stated the 25/06 blows the 6.5 C out the water. And it does out to 3-400 yds.
I am strongly considering a tikka t3x and get barrel chambered for the 25/06 AI with a 1 in 7 twist. Talking about smoking the 6.5 cm.
AI that and she is Lights out in yote town. Not good if you want fur though.
Nice presentation. The 243 is probably the best answer.
As far as the 22-250: I don't know I've ever actually seen one in person. Could the 224 Valk not be loaded with the lighter 58gr Vmax and outperform a 223? I know it's designed for heavy for caliber bullets, but does something prevent using lighter pills? Seems to me that would go a long way toward bringing the AR up to (closer anyway) par with a 22-250 bolt gun.
I'm in heavily wooded and rapidly growing Central NC. Coyotes are a newish issue here. But they're numerous down along the wetlands half a mile below my house. Debating 223 vs 6.5 Grendel vs 6.5CM. I have all three in bolt and gas guns. I have Controlled Chaos loads for both 6.5 rounds, so that's where I lean. All sorts of varmint rounds in 223 and even Federal 110gr varmint loads in 308.
Always enjoy these. I do wish the didn't ramble quite so much so as to stay somewhere close to the stated 10 minute mark. But it's cool when I have half an hour to kill.
If a 223 is good enough and a 243 is the best at anchoring and longer distance. The 22-250 has to be perfect. I run 22-250 mostly, 243 for wintertime coats and longer distances. TSS #2 is pretty hard to beat in the shotgun.
I think you have to separate them into fur friendly and not fur friendly. 204, 223, 22-250, 22 dpc, or 22 arc. Non fur friendly, 22 creed, 6 creed, 243, and bigger. Since I own multiple of those calibers, my favorite is the 22 dpc (Thanks Desert Precision).
Tell that to the ammo manufacturers too, who have all but dropped anyting this is not extremely fragmenting for "awe factor" among new shooters. Very few fur friendly bullets left in .224
The 22-250 and the 22 Creed are almost identical in performance… Why would one be fur friendly, and the other, not providing the bullets are the same?
Would be a better podcast if they talked bullet, bullet load, how far from the jam is and case preparation. Or even talk factory hot loads with a specific bullet type and weight. Because without those all rifle calibers are good and bad when it comes to killing yotes. Hell the ultimate rifle wood be a 50 BMG
Example a .223 shoots a 35 to 85 grains in many different variations, tails and olives. A 22-250 will do the same. Which one is better well a 22-250Varmint Grenade won't stabilize in a 1/14 or 1/12 twist. But it will in a .223 1/8 or 1/9. Sure the .243 will and anchor a yote its shooting a 74-110 bullet in various configurations, however it wont anchor one with match bullets like a Sierra 90gr Match-King, Lapua 100gr Scenar, and Berger 100gr VLD. What I just said was just some of the variables n a coyote rifle of your choosing!
Again all calibers are good and bad on yotes. These guys need more time killing yotes and allot more time understanding ballistics and bullet energy. I can say this and back up what I say as I have been trapping and calling yotes since the Burnham Brothers first aired on American Sportsman in 1966. When Dennis Kirk started making cassette tapes in the 1970s.
There is a lot of 224 Valkyrie users in Missouri
I’ll give ya a dollar to speak of the leaded ballon of the .375 Socom!
I've lived in SD and WY for most of my life, and while I'm no expert, I've done lots of coyote/PD hunting using multiple rifle/cartridge combinations. IMO the 6 ARC is about as good as it gets for coyote hunting. It's a highly efficient low recoil round, flat shooting, has great bullet selection and is an inherently accurate round that can be used in a bolt or gas gun (nearly identical to the most accurate cartridge ever created...the 6PPC). As the 6mm caliber is the foremost BR caliber, bullet mfgs tend focus a lot of attention on high BC, supremely accurate bullets which give the "regular guy" access to unbelievably accurate bullets. An often overlooked aspect to coyote rifles is weight. If you're doing it right, you will be covering a lot of ground and a lightweight rifle is simply a necessity. Being a short action cartridge, you can save weight in a bolt rifle simply due to the shorter action length. With the low recoil of the 6 ARC, it has a distinct advantage over larger 6mm rounds, specifically the 243 and 6mm Rem, to be able to see your hits. While the 223 is my all time favorite cartridge and a capable coyote round (within reasonable distances), I've seen too many spinners and "get away's" to recommend it (along with anything smaller like the 204, 22 WM, Hornet, etc). In contrast, the 6.5 cartridges will work just fine, but it's overkill IMO and the ability to see hits and recoil become a factor. Finally, the 22-250 is also a superb coyote hunting cartridge (and would be my second choice behind the 6 ARC), but the 6 ARC has the distinct advantage of higher BC, heavier, wind bucking bullets.
22-240 Wby 😆
Best yote rig is what ever you have when you see him or her 😂😂😂
More muzzle blast in a 22-250!!! What!!!... Maybe you should try one with a longer barrel or not run it so hot then... Im sorry but the 22-250 is better than 223 in every way... You dont have to run them at the bleeding edge and theyll still outperform a 223 on a mild load
3 "10Minute Talks" for the price of one! .243 Win. for the win!
222-250cause that's what I use. 300 yd point blank blaster.
6.5 Grendel ar15
243 hand loads all day long
Im gonna start hand loading for it any recommendations?
6mm Rem 55 gr pill over 52 gr big game. Explosive
Love my .243 with 65 grain vmax. Knocks them flat and usually only a small entry hole with no exit and jelly on the inside.
th-cam.com/video/E1sQTVCk680/w-d-xo.html
204, doesn't matter where. Great yote round.
22 hornet or my 220 swift both are lights out
You can tell these guys have such minimal experience the way they talk. Unconfident
Can confirm the new 80gr ELD-VTs in 6 ARC are strong yote medicine… hyper accurate out of 20” gas and every impact (6) has been DEVASTATING.
“The best?” .22x6mm Rem. It’s like a laser beam.
This channel is a loke
6.5 Grendel in 90 grain
20 inch 5.56 pencil barrel upper for AR15 on a KP15 lower 👌 I have a 16 inch lightweight build on a kp15 lower and it’s so lightweight and handy. .243 is a really good choice though for small to medium game and it’s capable of a longer shot while still having plenty of energy. Great video
What I think? Well it depends.
My pick will be 22-250AI.
Ok- my turn, the questions should be - distance - terrain- prximity to population- for instance in my yard out to 150 yds i grab a 22MAG or 17HMR ,SOMETIMES my 17HORNET. Out to 250 or so perhaps my 20" DMR AR, ,beyond 250 or on a dedicated YOTE hunt it's time for the 24" /22NOSLER AR. Several yrs ago i got hooked on assembling ARs for different tasks, hence the various calibers, the proper tool for every task😂 -
17wsm?
Honestly I feel 300blk is the best for the coyote at 300 yards scenario it's got plenty of power at that range and if you want it to be lightweight then you could use a ruger ranch rifle running 120 Barnes jhps your full kit with scope and loaded p mag would only be around 8 pounds.
6.5 Grendel? Gas or bolt gun?
Maybe spend more time at the range in awful winds boys?
No cavoite, all bolt guns, Im out west and 223, 204 ruger, 22-250 is an absolute beaty, and for a long poke a 25-06 if you want bad fur.
22-250 or 25-06 all day boys.
22lr
So I've been using my 300 blackout any thoughts on this round for coyotes
It should do fine at proper ranges. Mine took deer just fine out to 100 yds
doug e fresh hahahahahahhaahah
The 6 arc seems to be the new multi purpose gun. You can run a 58-75gr vmax for yotes, then run the 80gr Barnes ttsx for deer. A lot of people are predator hunting with the ARC
I really feel you guys are missing the boat by not considering the 22CM. Big mistake.
sounds like y'all are making a great case for the 6 ARC
222 rem
Dont forget the 6.5 Grendel and one of my favorites the 250-3000.
I have a number of coyotes that live around my house. They are very used to me so frequently join me on my porch. Love those babies.
Best cartridge for coyote for everything you guys talked about in the video- distance, gas gun, etc etc……….6.8spc and it still doubles as midrange deer/ hog and it also performs well on bobcat. I don’t live out west but from my experience with the cartridge on deer and hogs I would say it would work well for wolves and mountain lions at intermediate ranges as well. And I’ll add that even though I don’t own one nor have I ever shot one, 6.5 Grendel seems like it would be a good choice as well. I have had much better success with deer using the 6.8 over the 243. 6.8SPC over every caliber y’all mentioned for every purpose y’all discussed (caveat: bullet selection is key). Two years ago y’all performed a podcast speaking about the 6.8 spc. Interject this conversation into that one and redefine some enthusiasm for the 6.8 cartridge.
I have two gas guns there great got one that is a 20-inch barrel and I just built one with a 24-inch barrel. Can't wait to the new V-match round at extend ranges and see how it shoots. Only problem with 6 ARC or 6.5 Gredel is Lancer does not make mags for them. Which is what I run on all my standard AR-s.
Thoughts on the 224 Valkyrie?????
For me it comes down to cost of the round. 5.56 is like 40 sent a round. 9mm is like 38 cent, 243 ls over dollar a round.
5.56
I will stay with my 6 ARC AR15.
Federal Speed-shok T, 1500 FPS with a Carlson's Coyote Choke.
220 Swift...my top choice 55gr Hornady V Max
220 swift 😊😊
The 3006 with 150 grain Sierra pro Hunter bullets!
With regards to the customer who said you cant say "it depends" then i would say overall, for the widest variety of ranges, the .22 Creedmoor is the most versatile.
You can run light bullets at blistering speeds just like .22-250, or you can run heavy bullets that hold their velocity well and hit harder at distance like the 6mm & 6.5 Creedmoors.
If youre talking purely the most versatile and beat coyote rifle, now if it's pulling double duty as a deer or even elk gun I'd go bigger, the 6mm Creedmoor would be my absolute minimum for elk leaning much more toward 6.5 Creedmoor (as far as this converstion goes)
But with a .22 Creed you can run it in a bolt OR gas gun, with bullet weights bewteen 45-95 grains and so with one cartridge you can hunt close or long range, and semi or bolt action. For coyotes specifically it has devastating potential at any sane distance and crazy versatility.
Depends on whether or not pelts are of concern. What about.17 fireball, .220 swift?????