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As many times I’ve watched your channel, I’m still amazed on how you remember all this shit. I don’t know of too many HVAC guys that would lend window units to customers. Steve love the channel keep up the great work……..
There once was a plumber named Pete, Whose skills with a pipe couldn't be beat. He fixed leaks with care, And unclogged with flair, And his work was always complete!
The Azure motor needs to be programmed with the 115 ac cord. It’s has 1075 speed for clockwise and counterclockwise and 850 for the same. They spin 90 seconds for each speed and rotation you simply unplug it when you see the correct selection. They’re actually good and reliable motors and less expensive in some models.
Milwaukee has a 12 volt Dremel copy, rotory tool that I keep in my van for trimming bolts. You can buy 1-2" reinforced disks for it. Extremely handy, I routinely trim 1/4" bolts with it. Not as strong as a grinder but really handy.
Speaking of programming it, Maybe it was the audio, but that Azure seemed like it was running at 1075 instead of 850, I thought those 16 SEERs had slower RPM outdoor motors, just observation that's all, not any criticism.
HVAC warranties are a pathetic joke. Manufacturers’ warranties don’t cover labor, and contractors typically only warranty their labor for a year. Labor can easily be 5x to 10x the cost of the part. For something simple like a fan motor, you’re better off buying the part and replacing it yourself. It can be the difference between paying $100 and $500+. I wish they sold equipment without warranties at a discount. I’d rather not even pay for something so utterly useless. If manufacturers supplied warranty parts to end users without a hassle, that would be different.
Okay, I'll give you the one argument against shutting a system off. When I lived in an apartment, the condenser fan would fail only after running many hours and then it would upset the compressor and eventually the breaker would trip (a federal pacific breaker no less). When maintenance would come and turn it on, it would run perfectly. The failure seemed to always occur after business hours. So I was looking stupid. On the final fan failure, I called it in as an emergency in the evening and the maintenance man on duty was a decent guy and came right away. At that point he saw the obvious failure. The condenser fan was replaced next day.
Hey Steve! Thanks for sharing the videos enjoy watching them all. Another satisfied homeowner with Steve’s work and love that bonus end of the video made me think of the Alfred Hitchcock films back in the day! 🐦⬛ Martinsburg, WV 🇺🇸
Nidec aka USMotors makes ECM replacements as well. The problem with those OEM ECM motors are the internal "module" that has a cheap $2 electronic part that fails. The Gentec Evergreen motors are the replacements for the original Gentec EMC motors that are know to fail often all the time. Those Gentec motors are $800+ and worthless when they first came out. Best to use a substitute like USMotors who don't play around.
July 15th makes my 30 years in the business. When they tell me that they did not shut the unit off. I get more and more pissed off as I get older! Before it was a laugh when I was younger. Now I'm pissed because I don't want to deal with changing out a compressor or changing a condenser motor because the guy who's let it run with a bad capacitor.... Either way more money for me but I'm with you brother. Turn the damn thing off if it's not working do you leave your car running when it's not running right.....
I'm not a fan of the high efficiency crap. Extra expense for fancy crap that saves a few cents in energy but costs big time when it breaks. Just like the new cars.
It's the bean-counter engineering running rampant throughout many industries. Build it cheap, sell it for a kings ransom for massive profits. Planned obsolescence in overdrive.
Friends of mine had a triple stage Rheem put in. I told them to go basic citing the increased likelihood of problems and much higher repair costs, but they put it in anyway. I have to say it's a beautiful system to live with, and even at 115 degrees it rarely hits third stage and runs the blower on full speed unless you turn down the temp. It just quietly maintains temperature all day long. It also manages to keep indoor humidity 30-40% without a humidifier, which is no small feat in AZ where they are. The day will come when it breaks though, and I can already hear the sob story about how can it break it's not old, and oh my god how is the fix that expensive!? I warned 'em...
Had a service call last week just like it where the ECM failed on a Rheem 16 seer from 2016. OEM motor was back ordered 4 weeks out and ended up using an azure ECM instead. Couple was in their 70s and had to get it repaired.
The factory contactors have enough connections to add the two 220v legs and most replacement PSC motors have long enough wires so, bye, bye expensive ECM. And capacitors are not that expensive. Just make sure to closely match HP and speed.
What is the app and equipment you are using to check the pressures? Im interested in purchasing something like that instead of traditional gauge setup.
On the ECM Motors on the residential single phase you can just change the power pack there are three phase Motors should be the same warnings when you pull the power pack out
If the capacitor is built in the motor what is that capacitor looking cylinder thing on the side of the unit then? Sorry, I don't know a lot about AC repairs.
You still need to have a capacitor for the compressor. So since they're not using one for the fan, that capacitor only has a common and herm terminal simply for the compressor.
So the Super Cap, gives the jump staaat, to the motor? Otherwise, the Motor or compressor will sit there and generate/heat up and wear out? It's interesting. My oil is good on my caaaar.
@@aringraveshvac9670 I have a 16 SEER Goodman with a PSC. The difference in draw on a 1/4 horse PSC vs ECM is about 20% increase in efficiency. It takes a very long time to overcome that price difference and the ECMs seem to fail a lot more. I have an ECM on my indoor unit, along with a conversion board and a ready PSC motor if it fails. Call me crazy, just don’t trust the ECMs even with surge arrestors on both units.
How does it work with warranty work. Maybe Steve or someone in the business can help me here. From a techs position. So Steve charges his customers parts and labor. Let’s say he buys a part for $100. Well if he sells it for that same $100 he won’t be in business long. That’s understood. So say he sells it for $175 or $200 plus his time equals the job cost. Now he walks in the door and sees the unit is still under warranty. So he makes a call to the supply house and they give him a part for free. He just lost the mark up on the part, which is needed to stay in business. Right? Is there a labor markup at that point? I assume the warranty covers the part only. Thanks if someone wants to help me understand.
Yeah I can actually damage the unit outside or inside if it's constantly running and something's wrong yeah you're supposed to shut them off and have a text take a look if there's something seriously wrong you'll just leave it running he is right you can't actually damage the unit
If I were paying I’d have you pull the ECM, get a PSC motor and the appropriate dual run capacitor and call it a day. There is no earthly reason for that ECM to be outside on a basic system.
Its not common sense to people that are not mechanically inclined My tire is flat if I keep driving maybe it will get round again lol They just don't realize things Its not their mechanical ability And For that reason It is job security right ✅ LOL
I think thats a load of crap what they told you about not putting a PSC motor in there. Rhat ECM motor wasn't a variable speed. Psc motor, hook your cap up and 220 to contactor .they just want to sell those pieces of crap ECM motors.
Steve, you need an impact driver too much f__king around it saves you a lot of time with all those little screws and nuts, put an inverter in your truck so you can charge batteries 😊
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As many times I’ve watched your channel, I’m still amazed on how you remember all this shit. I don’t know of too many HVAC guys that would lend window units to customers. Steve love the channel keep up the great work……..
the could have saved $10k and just got a 5kbtu for $125... probably not... it was better than nothing and got them through it.
There once was a plumber named Pete,
Whose skills with a pipe couldn't be beat.
He fixed leaks with care,
And unclogged with flair,
And his work was always complete!
There was a senator from Mass......
The Azure motor needs to be programmed with the 115 ac cord. It’s has 1075 speed for clockwise and counterclockwise and 850 for the same. They spin 90 seconds for each speed and rotation you simply unplug it when you see the correct selection. They’re actually good and reliable motors and less expensive in some models.
Thanks for explaining that. I was wondering about the included cord.
Hey Steve and Miss Molly! Workin’ again ya’ll. 👍👍. Looking at the length of this vid, I figured it wasn’t going to be an easy fix - great job Steve!
Milwaukee has a 12 volt Dremel copy, rotory tool that I keep in my van for trimming bolts. You can buy 1-2" reinforced disks for it. Extremely handy, I routinely trim 1/4" bolts with it. Not as strong as a grinder but really handy.
That 115 plug is used to set the rotation and rpm of the motor before you install it.
Speaking of programming it, Maybe it was the audio, but that Azure seemed like it was running at 1075 instead of 850, I thought those 16 SEERs had slower RPM outdoor motors, just observation that's all, not any criticism.
For sure running in high speed. Sounded like a jet.
You can put in a rescue motor and add capacitor. I done it before
That's BS
It should be warranty especially they are failing a lot
He did get it warrantied at the end of the day.
Can’t control that input voltage.
The company typically cutting and running away from the issue so it doesn't come from their pockets
HVAC warranties are a pathetic joke. Manufacturers’ warranties don’t cover labor, and contractors typically only warranty their labor for a year. Labor can easily be 5x to 10x the cost of the part. For something simple like a fan motor, you’re better off buying the part and replacing it yourself. It can be the difference between paying $100 and $500+.
I wish they sold equipment without warranties at a discount. I’d rather not even pay for something so utterly useless. If manufacturers supplied warranty parts to end users without a hassle, that would be different.
Okay, I'll give you the one argument against shutting a system off. When I lived in an apartment, the condenser fan would fail only after running many hours and then it would upset the compressor and eventually the breaker would trip (a federal pacific breaker no less). When maintenance would come and turn it on, it would run perfectly. The failure seemed to always occur after business hours. So I was looking stupid. On the final fan failure, I called it in as an emergency in the evening and the maintenance man on duty was a decent guy and came right away. At that point he saw the obvious failure. The condenser fan was replaced next day.
Hey Steve! Thanks for sharing the videos enjoy watching them all. Another satisfied homeowner with Steve’s work and love that bonus end of the video made me think of the Alfred Hitchcock films back in the day! 🐦⬛ Martinsburg, WV 🇺🇸
Interesting to hear your side of the Home Warranty Scam... Its how all insurance works but they're just worse.
I had the same issue I was told they were 6-10 weeks back order from the factory.. we found one in Florida shipped it to CA . Still took a week ..
The misinformation on Politics is off the charts in Steve's neck of the woods...
Dems are the party of low information voters
WTH don't they design these AC's to shut off automatically when somethings not right?
Those controls cost extra.
Not always they don't always shut off automatically sometimes you can burn out the controls by leaving it on like if it's ran out of freon
@@picklerix6162 Plus they'd hurt sales because people wouldn't be replacing the systems they burnt out keeping it running
No, they dont.
Because they don’t make money on units that run
Nidec aka USMotors makes ECM replacements as well. The problem with those OEM ECM motors are the internal "module" that has a cheap $2 electronic part that fails. The Gentec Evergreen motors are the replacements for the original Gentec EMC motors that are know to fail often all the time. Those Gentec motors are $800+ and worthless when they first came out. Best to use a substitute like USMotors who don't play around.
Great job Steve the heat and air parts we get this day and time are junk you and Molly take care
I do away with the ECM motors and go with a regular cfm and capacitor.
Why not, instead of paying 4 to 500 for a motor still under warranty.
Steve only deals with Robbie at the stores. No time for no junior.
In Florida, near Tampa, we have so much lightning that we need to keep spare capacitors in house …
Nice of you to loan a window unit.
Unheard of
Been in the business for 28 years..keep 2 window units in my service van..gets the customer through until parts come in..
Steve sounds like you gave him something to do vacuuming the unit out... 😂😂😂 I love it
Ordering a fan motor from Amazon would be alot easier than the supplier. Great video
I wouldn't trust many of these "after market" or "universal" parts for the motor, buying the OME motor is a better call
Boy. I think it's getting close time to make up a working man meal.
Working man dinner
Buffet in the middle of the street. Eat up boyz. ECM motor to save energy, right. Great job Steveo
July 15th makes my 30 years in the business. When they tell me that they did not shut the unit off. I get more and more pissed off as I get older! Before it was a laugh when I was younger. Now I'm pissed because I don't want to deal with changing out a compressor or changing a condenser motor because the guy who's let it run with a bad capacitor.... Either way more money for me but I'm with you brother. Turn the damn thing off if it's not working do you leave your car running when it's not running right.....
I'm not a fan of the high efficiency crap. Extra expense for fancy crap that saves a few cents in energy but costs big time when it breaks. Just like the new cars.
It's the bean-counter engineering running rampant throughout many industries. Build it cheap, sell it for a kings ransom for massive profits. Planned obsolescence in overdrive.
Friends of mine had a triple stage Rheem put in. I told them to go basic citing the increased likelihood of problems and much higher repair costs, but they put it in anyway. I have to say it's a beautiful system to live with, and even at 115 degrees it rarely hits third stage and runs the blower on full speed unless you turn down the temp. It just quietly maintains temperature all day long. It also manages to keep indoor humidity 30-40% without a humidifier, which is no small feat in AZ where they are.
The day will come when it breaks though, and I can already hear the sob story about how can it break it's not old, and oh my god how is the fix that expensive!? I warned 'em...
Everybody sounds Italian 😂
Looks like Fuffy got pulled apart in the street, Steve.
Had a service call last week just like it where the ECM failed on a Rheem 16 seer from 2016. OEM motor was back ordered 4 weeks out and ended up using an azure ECM instead. Couple was in their 70s and had to get it repaired.
I have replaced the ECM motor with a regular PSC motor many times and never had any issues
Just saying 😂
You can swap the ecm motor for a pcs motor. Need to add a contactor, a capacitor, and some wiring.
The factory contactors have enough connections to add the two 220v legs and most replacement PSC motors have long enough wires so, bye, bye expensive ECM. And capacitors are not that expensive. Just make sure to closely match HP and speed.
ECM= Extra Cash Money
The R's Remove, Replace Retail, when in doubt, bill it out.
Can you replace that ecm with a regularfan motor with capacitor?
On that unit you can
If it doesn’t have a control board, yes. It will need the capacitor and wired to the contactor. Easy conversion and a lot cheaper than the ECM motor.
I thought it was very possible
Howdy Steve and Miss Molly
What is the app and equipment you are using to check the pressures? Im interested in purchasing something like that instead of traditional gauge setup.
Replaced plenty of those OD Fans. Had motors and caps on the truck. I didn’t know about these motors with built in Caps.
Not really a cap. Just AC rectification to infinitely controllable DC current. Dumb on a CU but government likes it.
Hello Steve!
Startup sounds just like mine . A 2022 Daikin. I have the cold start added
Ecm motors are junk.
Any money you save with them, you lose when they go out on ya!
I think the base Ruud/Rheem condensers now also have ECM fan motors.
I see no reason why you can't put a psc & a capacitor in that unit.
Yes, there are PSC conversion kits out there...
@@Garth2011 They are expensive.
Great video, but I don't understand that the last cord and circuit board. Fine Job! 👍
circuit board = surge protector and cord is used to program motor rpm and direction...
You got a "meal" out of this call Steve!!!!! 🤣🤣
You gotta lot of fans lately Steve. The wheel of death is the best tool ever.
Put in a psc rescue motor and call it good. I waited 3 months for an ecm for my 16seer rheem.
Hi Steve, good work, i see Mr. Fluffy got run over, lol.
On the ECM Motors on the residential single phase you can just change the power pack there are three phase Motors should be the same warnings when you pull the power pack out
If the capacitor is built in the motor what is that capacitor looking cylinder thing on the side of the unit then? Sorry, I don't know a lot about AC repairs.
You still need to have a capacitor for the compressor. So since they're not using one for the fan, that capacitor only has a common and herm terminal simply for the compressor.
when is the next cooking man series coming
Probably not until the Cooking Man gets hungry.
Pamela Harris 😂
Commiela
Efficiency vs. reliability
Steven please buy yourself an impact gun😂
Heels up Harris lmao.
We need some more working man cooking videos.
Steve said he doesn't get as many views on his cooking vids. But I like them!
Hey Steve I just got my Mini Split and I was wondering if you could help me install it 😅😅😅😅 just kidding Milwaukee, WI. ❤ your work 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Would you be able to just install a standard motor and install a run capacitor in the box and be done with the ECM crap?
I have the same unit. The cap went. If I wasn’t home I hate to think what would have happened if I wasn’t.
All the new equipment i,ve seen has ecm motors on the indoor and outdoor units and they suck. Yellow/green is the new standard for ground.
Last ecm I replaced off a carrier package unit cost over $1000
Johnstone has universal ecm motor replacement and a standard motor with cap can replace that
That guy's name should be Huey, cause he's a helicopter!...bonus crow's having supper!
I enjoy talking to customers while I'm fixing their stuff. If they see you're competent, they are more than happy to pay.
I am glad I have a 13 SEER Rheem unit here in PA. Why would they need or get a 16 SEER model up north where you are?
Puttin the helicopta ta work!
Now I know why they call a bunch of crews a murder😜
I can't get goodman ac units in denver, they are blaming the hurricanes in Texas
That's strange I didn't see you test the capacitor
That capacitor is for the compresser only. Compresser was running, no need to test.
That's not the oem motor, they did you dirty.
Old fluffy at the end didn't make out to good!!
A car took him out, but since cars don't eat squirrels it's a feast for the scavengers...
ECM= Efficiency Crap Motors
So the Super Cap, gives the jump staaat, to the motor? Otherwise, the Motor or compressor will sit there and generate/heat up and wear out? It's interesting. My oil is good on my caaaar.
My neighbor just had his ecm taken out and they put in regular motor. His unit out of warranty though.
It's probably not a 16 seer probably just dropped a quarter horse 1075...
@@aringraveshvac9670 I have a 16 SEER Goodman with a PSC. The difference in draw on a 1/4 horse PSC vs ECM is about 20% increase in efficiency. It takes a very long time to overcome that price difference and the ECMs seem to fail a lot more. I have an ECM on my indoor unit, along with a conversion board and a ready PSC motor if it fails. Call me crazy, just don’t trust the ECMs even with surge arrestors on both units.
A murder of crows got fluffy!
Bonus footage at the very end 😂
How does it work with warranty work. Maybe Steve or someone in the business can help me here. From a techs position. So Steve charges his customers parts and labor. Let’s say he buys a part for $100. Well if he sells it for that same $100 he won’t be in business long. That’s understood. So say he sells it for $175 or $200 plus his time equals the job cost. Now he walks in the door and sees the unit is still under warranty. So he makes a call to the supply house and they give him a part for free. He just lost the mark up on the part, which is needed to stay in business. Right? Is there a labor markup at that point? I assume the warranty covers the part only. Thanks if someone wants to help me understand.
green new deal, not environmental green, money green instead
Capacitor $35 USD … Motor $60 USD … a safety conscious DYIer can do this … Pull the safety breaker from the wall first…
I'm wondering why a regular motor can't replace it? Doesn't look like a vatable speed..
Extra Crappy Motors!
ECMs don't have caps...
Yeah I can actually damage the unit outside or inside if it's constantly running and something's wrong yeah you're supposed to shut them off and have a text take a look if there's something seriously wrong you'll just leave it running he is right you can't actually damage the unit
My Cousin had a car warranty company and they still didn't cover him. I guess he didn't buy high enough coverage.
Who the hell is Pamala Harris? lol
The equivalent of an ECM motor.
If I were paying I’d have you pull the ECM, get a PSC motor and the appropriate dual run capacitor and call it a day. There is no earthly reason for that ECM to be outside on a basic system.
That's my question. The motor is constant speed. Why can't a standard PSC motor take its place?
@@boeing757pilot short answer is it can be swapped. Just have to add the capacitor and wire it.
@@yfdfireman2 Thanks!
It’s not constant speec
@@robertcherry4971 So, it's varying over time. Curious, what is controlling its speed. Does it have sensors? Thanks!
Could this ECM motor be replaced with a regular motor, and adding another capacitor?
Yes.
Its not common sense to people that are not mechanically inclined
My tire is flat if I keep driving maybe it will get round again lol
They just don't realize things
Its not their mechanical ability
And
For that reason
It is job security right ✅ LOL
Hi Steve great job I love your videos so much
Youre becoming more grumpy.. poor customers.. 😂
Hundreds of dollars more in parts to save a few pennies in electricity. Nonsense.
It's an ECM mamma lol.
Like a surgeon with the grinder. Nice job figuring out that wiring mess!
Nature's Road crew 52:48
Dead in the waddaaa steve
Ecm = $$$ when it brakes and it will .
"I ran it for 3 days and it's still not cooling!"
I think thats a load of crap what they told you about not putting a PSC motor in there. Rhat ECM motor wasn't a variable speed.
Psc motor, hook your cap up and 220 to contactor .they just want to sell those pieces of crap ECM motors.
If they don't cover that motor under warranty, may be time to talk tp a lawyer. Really Sucks Mama! I would avoid this company like the plague!
Steve, you need an impact driver too much f__king around it saves you a lot of time with all those little screws and nuts, put an inverter in your truck so you can charge batteries 😊
Crows gotta eat.
Steve why didn’t you just put a regular motor in there. Match up the horse power and RPM. Back in business.