What would you have done if you were a former Republic officer after Order 66 and discovered a Jedi Survivor? *Sources Used* - Star Wars: Dark Times "Fire Carrier" arc (Comic), Star Wars: Republic #78 (Comic), Imperial Handbook (Source Book). *Music Used* - th-cam.com/video/kCJMpmwOy5Q/w-d-xo.html
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I like to think the officers who weren't Clones may have been somewhat scared. The Jedi they had served with were now dead and if the Jedi could fall to the new Empire so easily, who wouldn't?
For real. This old dude now has absolute power over the army and the economy, he's unopposed, has this cyborg sith as his body guard, and the jedi, the only ones who had a chance of taking him down, were hunted to the last man. Honestly i would just kill myself due to the despair in their situation.
To be fair though it's hard to survive when your trusted bodyguards put thousands of holes in your back like they did to Aayla Secura and others. I always cheered after that when clones got blown up or otherwise killed.
I'm glad that they didnt just kill off Terron and Denimoor. I feel like an annoying proportion of these stories just end with "and then darth vader killed them all.", its nice to see some imperial turncoats get away with it.
*a human naval captain and a general are on the bridge of their ship" *A clone death squad, lead by the residential clone commander, walks in* "Morning captain" *They gun down the jedi in a hail of laser fire* *2 clones move to grab the body, while the others disperse* *The clone commander turns to the captain* "Congratulations sir, you've been promoted" *The clone leaves without another word*
Seymour Lewis At that point Tarkin had no idea about Sidious’ plan, but I believe shortly after those events, he might’ve been giving some basic insight on the overall plan. Not as inclusive as Dooku’s knowledge but I do believe Tarkin had an idea about what was going on/going to happen. Like he might’ve known that palpatine might’ve been trying to reform the republic, but specifics weren’t given as to how, at least not until closer to when order 66 was about to come into effect
Tarkin was the last Star Wars novel I read that I finished. It’s so interesting how high Palpatine held Tarkin, he pretty much outranked Vader and the book gives good reason.
If your own troopers suddenly gun down your commanding general, what do you even do or think? I’d be frightened for my life, are they going to come after me next? And then some tall dark cyborg in a mask, with lights blinking all over him chokes someone to death without even touching them, just for questioning the previous events. From the POV of the average officer, that is terrifying.
fear and bully tattics, this are the sith way; total and blind ubbidience or you die, well you can also die if they wake up with the wrong foot or you are in the wrong place at the wrong time...it's not really strange that the imperial army and fleet were a lot less capable of the Gran Repubblic Army and Fleet, the second value capacity and professionalism the first no
Hello There Grand Master Lore Master I noticed something from this new video. The officer that Vader killed who openly objected to the beliefs that the Jedi were traitors was Jace Dallin. He was a very close friend of Jedi Master Plo Koon. They both first met during the Stark Hyperspace War and they eventually met again during The Clone Wars. Jace continued to serve the Republic alongside the Jedi for the rest of the war. Just thought I might point that out. Thanks for an amazing new video and May the Force be with You. Always!
Yup! I remember reading his story in the old star wars comics before the republic comic line, where he served in the unofficial republic army formed by Ranulph Tarkin.
"We always thought the Jedi are peacekeepers to the galaxy, but now we are all victims of deception."------------Unidentified Imperial Admiral, former Republic Admiral who served Clone Wars, 18 BBY.
It's people like Teron and even Admiral Pellion from Legends that shows the Empire wasn't all bad, some were just too scared to disobey, at least until Palpatine was killed, or truly did believe in the goals of the Empire even if they didn't agree with the methods. Of course, there were evil madmen in them like Grand Moff Tarkin and Naomi Dragon(Anyone who actually knows about that minor Grand Moff has my respect). In the end what Star Wars teaches that every fraction, Republic, Jedi, Separatist, Empire, and Rebels had both good people and bad people, and those just in the middle who were to scared or just indifferent to disagree with their side.
@@bradmorales4002 She was a Grand Moff of the Corellian sector, sometime after 7 BBY, whose family was fiercely loyal to Palpatine and the New Order. She was known for her political power and brutal military tactics to rise up in the ranks, such as orbital bombarding an entire planet for assisting the Rebels. She would even pit anyone in her sector against each other to gain further power for her and the Empire. She was mentioned in the paperback book Alien Anthology and appeared in the paperback book Ultimate Alien Anthology and the Hardcover source Book Suns of Fortune.
Gerardo Reyes I feel that upon seeing Vader brutally murder one of their comrades for simply speaking his mind, they all instantly knew that what was happening was wrong. The sudden change in direction was most definitely a shock to them but of course due to fear of possibly losing their position, and the example Vader made out of the guy, nobody else (except for a select few) dared to say anything for the coming years afterward. Really interesting to learn more about the early years of the empire
Purple Haze Even the ones most vocal about how much they love this change, are mostly likely extremely terrified or guilty. These were the men and women they served with for years. Some may have hated them, but none could deny their heroism. If they were culled so easily, how easy was it to cull everyday people
@@Purp1ehaz3 it also makes the Empire seem more stupid. Vader keeps doing this stupid shit. All he had to do is tell the truth and be all "a Jedi burned me and put me in this suit, and I was a Jedi before I refused to join their coup" or something like that Like there's still separatist remnants to fight off and it'll be a long time to establish loyalty and replace people dont start force choking niggas right off the bat
It is likely some were just too scared to speak out but others championed the fall of the Jedi and were then more than happy to believe everything the Emperor and his minions said.
Immagine beeing an republic officer and one day suddenly the clones under your command start firing on your jedi general. That would scared me for life, i would never be able to trust a clone. If they murder a jedi in cold blood, why couldn't they kill me next some day?
@@steve8610 violent states usually are the other way around, with the military officers holding the state in thrall and the soldiers living in fear of them.
Well probably because Order 66 was issued to all levels of the military specifically stating the Jedi turned traitor. As an officer you probably wouldn't be much worried on "am I next" until a few months or a year later when the Empire started less acting less like the Republic and more like the Empire.
The Dark Times series was really sad. But it was really heartwarming to see Teron not only looking the other way, but also helping K'Krukh. I hope he didn't end up dying
*sees clone commander pull out cellphone mid debrief* Jedi General: “Commander, can you put away your phone, we’re having an important discuss-“ Clone Commander: *Shoots jedi General* Admiral: “...”
Jesse if they didn't get caught by ISB agents first..wonder what escape rate was...certain percentage who decided to flee actually found a Rebel cell..?
In empire strikes back, that commander who came out of hyper space to close, probably was a sympathizer. Gave the rebels time to prepare and paid for it with his life.
It's a huge consequence of how the Jedi Order are out of touch with the Republic's public and state of affairs until it's too late when Order 66 came out with Jedi exterminated and ostracized as traitors.
You see, I never bought that “out of touch” claim. Almost all Jedi stories in this era, Legends and Canon alike, frequently depict Jedi helping out in small ways across various communities galaxy-wide. Just personally, it feels like someone randomly (in context or out) said something along the lines of that claim, and people just ran with it.
Yes, the Jedi do small ways but never the bigger picture and always stayed within the Jedi Temple 24/7 from the public who saw them as scary space wizards. When Legends Luke founded the New Jedi Order, he changed that by having his members be more actively involved in the bigger picture and never repeated the same mistake of the Old Jedi Order anymore.
@@TheWarmachine375 Okay, let's break this down: (1) Jedi never saw the big picture: This is one of the rarest arguments I'd ever heard against the Jedi, mostly because they get accused of looking at the big picture too much, as opposed to "living in the moment". Suffice to say, I disagree* (2) If you're lying, you need to pick a better one, and if you're misinformed, you should probably rectify that; Jedi never stayed within the temple 24/7, they were spread out across the galaxy. Hence, that was how even far-flung planets heard of them, in spite of how few there were. They were diplomats, explorers, soldiers (when needed, as all peacekeepers are), ambassadors (ala Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan in TPM), scientists, police, teachers, and more. Granted, most Jedi lived at the temple as that was literally their HOME, but they weren't there all the time. Not even close. (3) The public generally didn't see them as "scary space wizards", and if you have sources to the contrary, please provide them. In contrast, most people idealized them as these larger than life figures. In Kotor, Juhani stated once that in an impoverished area of Taris, Jedi awed seemed, and I quote, "like gods" to the masses there. Now politicians were more gray, mostly because Jedi didn't like seedy politicians meddling with their affairs and politicians didn't like Jedi do-gooders meddling into their affairs either. Plus, they were religion and politics, they just didn't mix. But throughout most of the Republic era, Jedi were venerated, especially during eras where the Republic literally depended on them to keep the Sith at bay. (4) No Luke didn't. Luke's Jedi Order was notoriously unstable, almost splitting on at least two occasions, and ultimately collapsed after less than 200 years (which then revived into whatever kind of Order Cade Skywalker ushered out), compared to the old Jedi Order, which lasted some 20,000 years.
@Steve You have a point about Jedi doing missions to help people and solve problems across the galaxy and staying out of politics but you kinda forgot about the whole "no attachments" in the Jedi Code where no member of the Jedi Order should form attachments with any people they meet or interacted outside the Temple during missions or travels in the galaxy as the Jedi believed that it leads to the Dark Side of the Force in their interpretation of the Jedi Code. If you remember about the lower levels of Coruscant, the people who lived down there really don't liked the Jedi despite being venerated in the public at large as Ahsoka Tano, an ex-Jedi, learned about it from Trace Martez who revealed that she once admired the Jedi but when they became involved in the Clone Wars, she lost her admiration for them. Not to mention, the "Baby Ludi custody case" is known about calling out the Jedi on their questionable practice of taking Force-sensitive infants whether by informed consent or Force-induced coercion on the parents and it got the attention of the public about it on the Jedi Order trying to settle things peacefully. As for Luke's Jedi Order, yeah they have their ups and downs in their membership and organization but they came back stronger compared to the Old Jedi Order that had easily collapsed in just one fell swoop by Order 66.
@@TheWarmachine375 (1) The Jedi didn't forbid attachment because it leads to the Dark Side, they forbade it because it easily opened the way to developing selfish greed. And *that* was an avenue where a Jedi could become corrupt by the Dark Side. It isn't even so much a belief as a proven concept; Anakin was a poster child as to why attachment can screw a Jedi over. (2) There's two things abnormal about that prognosis. For one, between the upper levels of Coruscant and lower, there was a societal disconnect, it wasn't something exclusive for the Jedi. For an analogy, it's not dissimilar to how a "yankee" might be received in the deep south of America. Secondly, the anti-Jedi sentiment that is popularly referred to had only existed for a year, maybe two at most, because it emerged after the outbreak of the Clone Wars (of which the Jedi were conscripted by the Senate; it wasn't as if they legally had the right to refuse) as well as being a product of Palpatine's propaganda, which likewise began after the Clone Wars' outbreak. Even the character you're referring to confirms this, meaning that the change in attitude was circumstantial, not the norm. The Baby Ludi case is a blast, and I was hoping it'd come up. The event might not have unfolded favorably, but there was nothing questionable about it. After a natural disaster, the Jedi found a Force-sensitive baby. In fact, the Jedi found her while having boots on the ground, because they were providing essential disaster relief for the people there (so much for them not being in contact with people when they needed it, btw), but despite their best efforts, they couldn't find the baby's parents. After that, they legally adopted the baby, brought her to the Jedi Temple and opened her to the Force. It was at some time after that (as Ludi was almost 2 years old by then, and had gone to another temple for training as a Youngling) that Ludi's mother was found, who wanted her daughter back. However, she couldn't because Ludi was opened to the Force now, and needed training. This is basically the only thing the Sith Order/Empire, Jedi Order and Republic all had in common; untrained Force-sensitives running around were a very real danger to themselves and those around them. In other words, Ludi couldn't go back to her mother because it was literally too dangerous for Ludi and her mother both. The Republic gave the Jedi Order the legal right to Force-sensitive children in the Republic, and this is literally the only time in canon or Legends where they actually had to enforce it (ie; no, they didn't kidnap kids. Ever). That's all the moot point though, as that same case reveals that Ludi's mother stopped caring about her and cared more for the media attention she had. (3) No they didn't. Luke's Jedi Order crashed and burned, badly, until it was restored by Cade Skywalker after he defeated Darth Krayt. And along the way, it was extremely unstable. There was more Jedi falling and infighting in Luke's tenure than in more whole generations of the Jedi Order, outside of specific war times (like the Jedi Civil War or Great Galactic War). The only difference is that Luke's Order shattered after around 100 years, whereas the Old Jedi Order survived multiple events until Order 66 finally did them in. And because Disney purchased Lucasfilm before the Legacy era could be developed further, we have no idea how well Cade's Jedi Order would fare.
I could imagine some of the admirals who were against the Empire would be put against a firing squad. Like that scene from Valkyrie, LONG LIVE THE REPUBLIC!
If I found a surviving Jedi, I would send them to a hidden spot and help them as long as possible. I don't want to die if anyone finds out, but I'm not letting someone die for the cause of evil.
I imagined there would be a lot more. Because the Republic Officers were all part of the Republic Judicial Forces before the Clone Wars, and they were patrolling peacekeepers so I imagine they would have worked with Jedi a lot even before the war.
I bet the officers that were still loyal to the Jedi probably defected and joined the Rebellion or the New Republic. Knowing there was actually Luke in the Rebellion in which they heard of him blowing up the first death star.
It was not the light side of the force to destroy The Empire. It was the courage and righteous of a few people. Whether you were human or alien, Man or Woman, these ordinary individuals toppled the Empire.
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We know how Yularen reacted..and with the ISB surveillance...😇. Didn't Captain Needa have Jedi sympathies..as he helped (inadvertently?) Anakin survive the Battle of Coruscant (ROTS novelization) ?
In Dark Horse comics which did the comic series when AotC/ RotS come out. Needa and Anakin had problems with each other. In away Vader had to wait nearly 24 years before he could within reason kill Needa.
@@Bluesonofman why?why do you think so? It seems to me that Yularen did not have such a negative attitude towards the Jedi, maybe some kind of Jedi had such an attitude precisely because of the Jedi themselves, but like Anaken or Obi Wan and others, when there was order 66, how would he react to if people with whom you worked for a long time dead or suddenly traitors.
@Troy Goldberg yeah, they drove the dark side, originally just a yin to their yang, into starvation, causing it to mutate into the twisted version seen in the movies.
I like how the jedi tried their best to protect the galaxy from the sith fighting an unbeatable battle against violence and war, by waging one. And their "Protector" role they self titled themselves as often got in the way of the people of the galaxy who actively tried to make the galaxy a better place for people who live in it, while the jedi fought against the sith that didnt even exist in the eyes of the people.
@@Bluesonofman True. It's a difference of ideals and beliefs. Both the Sith and the Jedi were wrong and evil. Sith were evil no doubt, however they were more attuned to the power of the force due to them having an open mind. Jedi were also wrong to suppress these knowledge, knowing only a select few can handle it while most would definitely would not be ready and would fall to the dark side (Padawans, younglings and some knights). If they were trained properly using both the light and the dark side, they would have stood a chance.
I think alot officers should have been scared... if the clones can just bypass the chain of command and gunned down their space-magic-using superiors, who will be next when Palpy feels threatened or want to clean house? High ranking generals and admirals? Mid-level officers? Maybe even fellow non-clone troops?
Probably is what a lot of them had though once it was clear the character of the new management, first it's very probable that many bought, at least at some level, the official version
Here's hoping his kindness and generosity led to him actually the coming conflicts and upheavals over the course of history. Same goes for his friend captain. Bonus if they actually ended up fighting in the Battle of Yuuzhan'tar. Now that would be a really cool yet bloody experience, all while possible descendants of theirs even fought during the Sith-Imperial War.
Yeah, the majority of officers would have simply followed the new leadership without question but there are always a few who don't. This is generally a subject largely unexplored and I found it particularly interesting.
2:09 that comic part where the officer is calling out palp and palp introduces Vader i swear that was in a karren travis book? Imperial commando maybe? I remember reading that part exactly like that but I've never read a star wars comic so of those 2 parts are the same but in different books then THATS fucking bad ass
I think that order 66 came with something like...if non Jedi commanders start to ask, detain them till they are briefed by the chansler or a representative. If he says a secret word, it means the chansler has cleared him and he is to resume his command.
@@nameynamename3758 No they didn't. First of all, most clones had no personal relationships with the Jedi. Second of all, most clones disliked the Jedi because the Jedi treated them like cannon fodder except a few Jedi like Anakin. Third of all, the clones were NEVER loyal to the Jedi, but to the Republic. If they were really just being mind-controlled by a chip, then why were they so concerned for the Republic in Episode III and killed the Jedi because they thought the Jedi were trying to overthrow the government? Fourth of all, there's no point in having a brain chip when Episode II already established that the clones are totally obedient like any droid. Read Republic Commando. It gives better insight on the clones than the entire TCW could ever hope to do. And there's no bullshit friendship between Cody and Obi-Wan.
The chip would make sense as an insurance policy if nothing else. I don't agree that the cartoon series undermines the concept of obedient clone soldiers. Rather, being programmed and conditioned from birth to act like a droid would not take away the essential humanity of the clone soldiers. A humanity and individuality which would become more obvious over time. I think that's consistent with Episodes II and III, where the clones are positively heroic - they are not merely carrying out routines, but are also conscious beings actively and creatively engaging with the task at hand.
If anything, those officers are the next batch of disposable cannon fodders for the empire in the stead of the Jedi. If such a purge can happen to the Jedi, why not them when the time comes.
And now I can imagine them being in rouge one in a way when they we're once apart of the new established Empire could've helped out the rebels in that last battle
In My Canon Commader Teron, Captain Denimoor and All The Other Imperial Officers that held the same sympathies to the Jedi as he did all Defected to the rebel alliance And served under my Fanon Jedi Master Bac’Cara Prayvus’s Rebel Cell and were present during the battle of Endor As Admirals under the command of Both Master Prayvus And His Uncle Admiral Ackbar of course they all survived the Galactic Civil War and Were even there when Jakku Happened they were also present at the battle of Coruscant before the Jakku stuff happened
I really enjoy your videos seen everyone I actually just recommended you guys to someone interested in lore and I wanted to ask if u guys will do Darth Vader and the ghost prison sometime in future loved that story and the characters
Can you do an updated version of palpatine's endgame but for the rise of Skywalker Like if he had won in that movie (killing rey, destroying the galactic coalition fleet, all in his regenerated form)
Kinda just had a random what-if thought: in that comic talked about around 2:30, what if when Vader killed that officer, the others decided instead of complying to all mass-rush the Emperor and Vader to physically attack them?
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What would you have done if you were a former Republic officer after Order 66 and discovered a Jedi Survivor?
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I would say I just saw a crazy monk and walk away
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I would lemonade every Survivor
But I always wanted to see a story of Darth Vader finally destroying the emperor
I did not meant to say king mushroom my little brother kept spelling king mushroom
I like to think the officers who weren't Clones may have been somewhat scared. The Jedi they had served with were now dead and if the Jedi could fall to the new Empire so easily, who wouldn't?
Plus they have to get used to the changes of the Republic turning into an Empire while others would defect and become members of the Rebel Alliance.
For real. This old dude now has absolute power over the army and the economy, he's unopposed, has this cyborg sith as his body guard, and the jedi, the only ones who had a chance of taking him down, were hunted to the last man. Honestly i would just kill myself due to the despair in their situation.
Who wouldn't be afraid of speaking out against a dictator (Palpatine)?
To be fair though it's hard to survive when your trusted bodyguards put thousands of holes in your back like they did to Aayla Secura and others. I always cheered after that when clones got blown up or otherwise killed.
@@johnbower7452 But they're pawns.
Non clone admirals:So what did you do today trooper
Clone: oh nothing just murdered a few of the highest ranking Jedi
Non clone admiral: ...say sike right now
The sad thing is that they'd probably react like that, since, in their mind, it was pretty normal for them to kill the Jedi
Clone *chuckles in genocide*
YOU WHAT?!
Good soldiers follow orders
I'm glad that they didnt just kill off Terron and Denimoor. I feel like an annoying proportion of these stories just end with "and then darth vader killed them all.", its nice to see some imperial turncoats get away with it.
Tell me about it
I am also glad to see that some imperial officers were decent types and not the usual stereotype maniacal authoritarian asshats
I'm glad someone said it 🔥👊🏽🔥
I agree with the "Vader killed them all" trope. It is really forced and overused, just so someone could put Vader in things, because he sells good.
ShootInPutIn but that’s probably the most realistic outcome
*a human naval captain and a general are on the bridge of their ship"
*A clone death squad, lead by the residential clone commander, walks in*
"Morning captain"
*They gun down the jedi in a hail of laser fire*
*2 clones move to grab the body, while the others disperse*
*The clone commander turns to the captain*
"Congratulations sir, you've been promoted"
*The clone leaves without another word*
Captain Cancer dark humor
Captain: YAY I'M A MAJOR NOW I WAITED IT FOR 2 YEARS, FUCK THAT JEDI THAT WON'T PROMOTE ME!
@@mafia_boss_neto Yeah, imagine serving for 2 years and not being a major....
@@ramarblood7697 Well he waited 2 years as a Captain before becoming a Major, not necessarily 2 years at all ranks from Cadet. That was the joke.
LOL
I need more jokes like this
In my headcanon Palpatine told Tarkin about Order 66 and he happily participated.
I always seen it that way also after the clone wars series
He definitely knew something palpatine definitely gave him insight
Yeah like I refuse to believe after watching the citadel arc that he didn’t know who Vader was
Seymour Lewis At that point Tarkin had no idea about Sidious’ plan, but I believe shortly after those events, he might’ve been giving some basic insight on the overall plan. Not as inclusive as Dooku’s knowledge but I do believe Tarkin had an idea about what was going on/going to happen. Like he might’ve known that palpatine might’ve been trying to reform the republic, but specifics weren’t given as to how, at least not until closer to when order 66 was about to come into effect
Tarkin was the last Star Wars novel I read that I finished. It’s so interesting how high Palpatine held Tarkin, he pretty much outranked Vader and the book gives good reason.
If your own troopers suddenly gun down your commanding general, what do you even do or think? I’d be frightened for my life, are they going to come after me next? And then some tall dark cyborg in a mask, with lights blinking all over him chokes someone to death without even touching them, just for questioning the previous events. From the POV of the average officer, that is terrifying.
Definitely
I'll have them shot if they shoot the younging
Mike Mcghin Then your life is forfeit, in a day or two Sidious will learn of that and you will be involved in “an unfortunate accident.”
@@axelNodvon2047 given I'm LT.commander in the rebels alliance he failed and he dead
fear and bully tattics, this are the sith way; total and blind ubbidience or you die, well you can also die if they wake up with the wrong foot or you are in the wrong place at the wrong time...it's not really strange that the imperial army and fleet were a lot less capable of the Gran Repubblic Army and Fleet, the second value capacity and professionalism the first no
I woulda been like “aye bruh I didn’t know”
Hello There Grand Master Lore Master
I noticed something from this new video. The officer that Vader killed who openly objected to the beliefs that the Jedi were traitors was Jace Dallin. He was a very close friend of Jedi Master Plo Koon. They both first met during the Stark Hyperspace War and they eventually met again during The Clone Wars. Jace continued to serve the Republic alongside the Jedi for the rest of the war. Just thought I might point that out.
Thanks for an amazing new video and May the Force be with You. Always!
Yup! I remember reading his story in the old star wars comics before the republic comic line, where he served in the unofficial republic army formed by Ranulph Tarkin.
@@TheLoreMasterYT Thank you so much for replying to my comment Grand Master Lore Master.
@Offworlder1 Thanks for replying to my comment and May the Force be with You. Always!
@Tb. Aris Suchranudin Yes. Yes it does. Thank you for noticing my comment and May the Force be with You. Always!
The Lore Master this Tarkin fellow sounds like he’ll go far.
"We always thought the Jedi are peacekeepers to the galaxy, but now we are all victims of deception."------------Unidentified Imperial Admiral, former Republic Admiral who served Clone Wars, 18 BBY.
Imagine your soliders coming to you and asking them where the general is and them just saying *Good soliders follow orders*
It's people like Teron and even Admiral Pellion from Legends that shows the Empire wasn't all bad, some were just too scared to disobey, at least until Palpatine was killed, or truly did believe in the goals of the Empire even if they didn't agree with the methods. Of course, there were evil madmen in them like Grand Moff Tarkin and Naomi Dragon(Anyone who actually knows about that minor Grand Moff has my respect).
In the end what Star Wars teaches that every fraction, Republic, Jedi, Separatist, Empire, and Rebels had both good people and bad people, and those just in the middle who were to scared or just indifferent to disagree with their side.
Pellaeon was one of the best legends characters
Who was Naomi Dragon and which legends source does he appear?
Pellaeon was the real mvp.
@@bradmorales4002 She was a Grand Moff of the Corellian sector, sometime after 7 BBY, whose family was fiercely loyal to Palpatine and the New Order. She was known for her political power and brutal military tactics to rise up in the ranks, such as orbital bombarding an entire planet for assisting the Rebels. She would even pit anyone in her sector against each other to gain further power for her and the Empire. She was mentioned in the paperback book Alien Anthology and appeared in the paperback book Ultimate Alien Anthology and the Hardcover source Book Suns of Fortune.
@@zexalbrony4799 The original Governor Arinda Price from canon. How did she died?
Mad Respect to Commander Tarron (not sure if spelled that right) and the other officers they seem like real bros 👍
So of them must have been very confused and unsure what to do
The Jedi they served with honor and decency is gone and now the Sith are in charge, asserting authority with fear and intimidation.
Especially if they were in the same room with Jedi and clones.
Gerardo Reyes I feel that upon seeing Vader brutally murder one of their comrades for simply speaking his mind, they all instantly knew that what was happening was wrong.
The sudden change in direction was most definitely a shock to them but of course due to fear of possibly losing their position, and the example Vader made out of the guy, nobody else (except for a select few) dared to say anything for the coming years afterward.
Really interesting to learn more about the early years of the empire
Purple Haze
Even the ones most vocal about how much they love this change, are mostly likely extremely terrified or guilty. These were the men and women they served with for years. Some may have hated them, but none could deny their heroism. If they were culled so easily, how easy was it to cull everyday people
@@Purp1ehaz3 it also makes the Empire seem more stupid. Vader keeps doing this stupid shit. All he had to do is tell the truth and be all "a Jedi burned me and put me in this suit, and I was a Jedi before I refused to join their coup" or something like that
Like there's still separatist remnants to fight off and it'll be a long time to establish loyalty and replace people dont start force choking niggas right off the bat
So this is How Democracy Dies
Bold Mistreal with thunderous applause
The war is over
Lord Sidious promised us peace. We only want to- *gets killed by Vader*
So That's How The Galactic Empire And A Civil War Had Started
pretty much
2:07 still messes me up knowing the officer who spoke out was also the guy from the beginning of the republic comics (plo koons officer homie)
It is likely some were just too scared to speak out but others championed the fall of the Jedi and were then more than happy to believe everything the Emperor and his minions said.
Immagine beeing an republic officer and one day suddenly the clones under your command start firing on your jedi general. That would scared me for life, i would never be able to trust a clone. If they murder a jedi in cold blood, why couldn't they kill me next some day?
And that, my friend, is how violent states ensure the loyalty of their keys to power and the populace. Fall in line, or you're next
@@steve8610 violent states usually are the other way around, with the military officers holding the state in thrall and the soldiers living in fear of them.
I would flee to Hutt Space. The Hutts may. Be slimy bastards but at least you know nothing is going to happen to them.
Well probably because Order 66 was issued to all levels of the military specifically stating the Jedi turned traitor. As an officer you probably wouldn't be much worried on "am I next" until a few months or a year later when the Empire started less acting less like the Republic and more like the Empire.
Officer: hey wait isn’t that the force that the Jedi used to used doesn’t that mean he is a j.....urk!!!!!!!
The Dark Times series was really sad. But it was really heartwarming to see Teron not only looking the other way, but also helping K'Krukh. I hope he didn't end up dying
This is why I like Legends better
I agreed with your comment
More Jedi Survive and Luke’s New Order is more successful even to the era of Cade Skywalker using Deathsticks after the second purge.
@Zerebrat Eightyseven what about mando and maybe rebels?
Imagine going out for your crunch time and when you come back you see the jedi general cutting down the clone troopers into pieces
The lore Master has finally decided to grace us with his presence once again. Thank you
I wonder how many of them thought how much better the next boss was gonna be
*sees clone commander pull out cellphone mid debrief*
Jedi General: “Commander, can you put away your phone, we’re having an important discuss-“
Clone Commander: *Shoots jedi General*
Admiral: “...”
Clone: *still on the phone* yeah so as I was saying I took out 50 what about you
Young George Harrison at 4:27
I'd like to think in my head that any and every imperial that did not like the betrayal of the jedi joined/formed the rebellion.
Jesse if they didn't get caught by ISB agents first..wonder what escape rate was...certain percentage who decided to flee actually found a Rebel cell..?
Murphy don't know man ISB agents were REALLY good at their jobs.
Nah, ISB are sucking at it. :P
chicken Chubbzzz yeah exactly..they probly wudnt get very far!!
Vince Lumontad ahh yr comments have been forwarded to ISB office.. they'll be in touch asap!! 😂
Wouldn’t mind seeing some generic mook / trooper’s day to see what goes on in the daily lives of the Empire.
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Admit it, Denimoore's the most awesome looking dude I've seen! TOTALLY rocking that mustache!
Lord sidious :commander execute order sixty s-*signal cuts out across the whole republic *
Lord sidious:....FUCK!
The Emperor breaking his own chain of command...what a shining example of leadership...
Well, there is but one sollution: Death to false Emperors!
In empire strikes back, that commander who came out of hyper space to close, probably was a sympathizer. Gave the rebels time to prepare and paid for it with his life.
Kendal Ozzel was not a rebel sympathizer, just incompetent enough to make some people wonder if he was.
It's a huge consequence of how the Jedi Order are out of touch with the Republic's public and state of affairs until it's too late when Order 66 came out with Jedi exterminated and ostracized as traitors.
You see, I never bought that “out of touch” claim. Almost all Jedi stories in this era, Legends and Canon alike, frequently depict Jedi helping out in small ways across various communities galaxy-wide.
Just personally, it feels like someone randomly (in context or out) said something along the lines of that claim, and people just ran with it.
Yes, the Jedi do small ways but never the bigger picture and always stayed within the Jedi Temple 24/7 from the public who saw them as scary space wizards.
When Legends Luke founded the New Jedi Order, he changed that by having his members be more actively involved in the bigger picture and never repeated the same mistake of the Old Jedi Order anymore.
@@TheWarmachine375 Okay, let's break this down:
(1) Jedi never saw the big picture: This is one of the rarest arguments I'd ever heard against the Jedi, mostly because they get accused of looking at the big picture too much, as opposed to "living in the moment". Suffice to say, I disagree*
(2) If you're lying, you need to pick a better one, and if you're misinformed, you should probably rectify that; Jedi never stayed within the temple 24/7, they were spread out across the galaxy. Hence, that was how even far-flung planets heard of them, in spite of how few there were. They were diplomats, explorers, soldiers (when needed, as all peacekeepers are), ambassadors (ala Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan in TPM), scientists, police, teachers, and more. Granted, most Jedi lived at the temple as that was literally their HOME, but they weren't there all the time. Not even close.
(3) The public generally didn't see them as "scary space wizards", and if you have sources to the contrary, please provide them. In contrast, most people idealized them as these larger than life figures. In Kotor, Juhani stated once that in an impoverished area of Taris, Jedi awed seemed, and I quote, "like gods" to the masses there. Now politicians were more gray, mostly because Jedi didn't like seedy politicians meddling with their affairs and politicians didn't like Jedi do-gooders meddling into their affairs either. Plus, they were religion and politics, they just didn't mix. But throughout most of the Republic era, Jedi were venerated, especially during eras where the Republic literally depended on them to keep the Sith at bay.
(4) No Luke didn't. Luke's Jedi Order was notoriously unstable, almost splitting on at least two occasions, and ultimately collapsed after less than 200 years (which then revived into whatever kind of Order Cade Skywalker ushered out), compared to the old Jedi Order, which lasted some 20,000 years.
@Steve You have a point about Jedi doing missions to help people and solve problems across the galaxy and staying out of politics but you kinda forgot about the whole "no attachments" in the Jedi Code where no member of the Jedi Order should form attachments with any people they meet or interacted outside the Temple during missions or travels in the galaxy as the Jedi believed that it leads to the Dark Side of the Force in their interpretation of the Jedi Code.
If you remember about the lower levels of Coruscant, the people who lived down there really don't liked the Jedi despite being venerated in the public at large as Ahsoka Tano, an ex-Jedi, learned about it from Trace Martez who revealed that she once admired the Jedi but when they became involved in the Clone Wars, she lost her admiration for them.
Not to mention, the "Baby Ludi custody case" is known about calling out the Jedi on their questionable practice of taking Force-sensitive infants whether by informed consent or Force-induced coercion on the parents and it got the attention of the public about it on the Jedi Order trying to settle things peacefully.
As for Luke's Jedi Order, yeah they have their ups and downs in their membership and organization but they came back stronger compared to the Old Jedi Order that had easily collapsed in just one fell swoop by Order 66.
@@TheWarmachine375 (1) The Jedi didn't forbid attachment because it leads to the Dark Side, they forbade it because it easily opened the way to developing selfish greed. And *that* was an avenue where a Jedi could become corrupt by the Dark Side. It isn't even so much a belief as a proven concept; Anakin was a poster child as to why attachment can screw a Jedi over.
(2) There's two things abnormal about that prognosis. For one, between the upper levels of Coruscant and lower, there was a societal disconnect, it wasn't something exclusive for the Jedi. For an analogy, it's not dissimilar to how a "yankee" might be received in the deep south of America. Secondly, the anti-Jedi sentiment that is popularly referred to had only existed for a year, maybe two at most, because it emerged after the outbreak of the Clone Wars (of which the Jedi were conscripted by the Senate; it wasn't as if they legally had the right to refuse) as well as being a product of Palpatine's propaganda, which likewise began after the Clone Wars' outbreak. Even the character you're referring to confirms this, meaning that the change in attitude was circumstantial, not the norm.
The Baby Ludi case is a blast, and I was hoping it'd come up. The event might not have unfolded favorably, but there was nothing questionable about it. After a natural disaster, the Jedi found a Force-sensitive baby. In fact, the Jedi found her while having boots on the ground, because they were providing essential disaster relief for the people there (so much for them not being in contact with people when they needed it, btw), but despite their best efforts, they couldn't find the baby's parents. After that, they legally adopted the baby, brought her to the Jedi Temple and opened her to the Force. It was at some time after that (as Ludi was almost 2 years old by then, and had gone to another temple for training as a Youngling) that Ludi's mother was found, who wanted her daughter back.
However, she couldn't because Ludi was opened to the Force now, and needed training. This is basically the only thing the Sith Order/Empire, Jedi Order and Republic all had in common; untrained Force-sensitives running around were a very real danger to themselves and those around them. In other words, Ludi couldn't go back to her mother because it was literally too dangerous for Ludi and her mother both. The Republic gave the Jedi Order the legal right to Force-sensitive children in the Republic, and this is literally the only time in canon or Legends where they actually had to enforce it (ie; no, they didn't kidnap kids. Ever). That's all the moot point though, as that same case reveals that Ludi's mother stopped caring about her and cared more for the media attention she had.
(3) No they didn't. Luke's Jedi Order crashed and burned, badly, until it was restored by Cade Skywalker after he defeated Darth Krayt. And along the way, it was extremely unstable. There was more Jedi falling and infighting in Luke's tenure than in more whole generations of the Jedi Order, outside of specific war times (like the Jedi Civil War or Great Galactic War). The only difference is that Luke's Order shattered after around 100 years, whereas the Old Jedi Order survived multiple events until Order 66 finally did them in. And because Disney purchased Lucasfilm before the Legacy era could be developed further, we have no idea how well Cade's Jedi Order would fare.
I could imagine some of the admirals who were against the Empire would be put against a firing squad. Like that scene from Valkyrie, LONG LIVE THE REPUBLIC!
Long Live the Empire*
If I found a surviving Jedi, I would send them to a hidden spot and help them as long as possible. I don't want to die if anyone finds out, but I'm not letting someone die for the cause of evil.
I imagined there would be a lot more. Because the Republic Officers were all part of the Republic Judicial Forces before the Clone Wars, and they were patrolling peacekeepers so I imagine they would have worked with Jedi a lot even before the war.
I would assume that there are a lot more officers that were recruited during the war that have no ties to the Jedi.
Disney's Canon: *Exists*
Legend/Expanded Universe: I am about to wreck this things whole career.
I bet the officers that were still loyal to the Jedi probably defected and joined the Rebellion or the New Republic. Knowing there was actually Luke in the Rebellion in which they heard of him blowing up the first death star.
There was General Draven, an Ex Republic General, and also General Doddonna
It takes courage to defy the Empire.
Stupidity is often mistaken for courage.
@@Ridley369 Well, I think there were some truly courageous people.
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1:57 Officers, have you ever heard of the treachery of the Jedi?
Right off the bat, Darth Sidious and Commander Cody having a little chat.
It was not the light side of the force to destroy The Empire. It was the courage and righteous of a few people. Whether you were human or alien, Man or Woman, these ordinary individuals toppled the Empire.
Can you do a video on If the Empire never split After Palpys death In return of the Jedi
R.i.p to that officer who spoke up to Palpatine
Very interesting information I like how Star Wars Resistance had given us info on how some of there imperials defected from the empire.
Just imagine if you’re a Republic Officer, but you befriend or are in relationship with a Jedi and order 66 happens.
Then you must do your duty. Traitors must not be allowed to thrive.
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Thank you! I've always wondered this!
This what I've been waiting for.
Great vid!
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I love you videos and Yeah I was thinking one big long video
They should make a Disney plus series starting with the empire! That’ll be dope and I think they can do it right.
with the honest exception of General Kota and his staff
We know how Yularen reacted..and with the ISB surveillance...😇.
Didn't Captain Needa have Jedi sympathies..as he helped (inadvertently?) Anakin survive the Battle of Coruscant (ROTS novelization) ?
In Dark Horse comics which did the comic series when AotC/ RotS come out. Needa and Anakin had problems with each other. In away Vader had to wait nearly 24 years before he could within reason kill Needa.
Yularen was actually glad
@@Bluesonofman why?why do you think so? It seems to me that Yularen did not have such a negative attitude towards the Jedi, maybe some kind of Jedi had such an attitude precisely because of the Jedi themselves, but like Anaken or Obi Wan and others, when there was order 66, how would he react to if people with whom you worked for a long time dead or suddenly traitors.
@@robobobo6683 That is what it is in canon. I can’t make this shit up
The jedi did enough monstrous shit to easily make most indifferent to their demise, I imagine....
Yeah the Empire is way better if you don't mind a couple of Genocides.
@Troy Goldberg yeah, they drove the dark side, originally just a yin to their yang, into starvation, causing it to mutate into the twisted version seen in the movies.
I like how the jedi tried their best to protect the galaxy from the sith fighting an unbeatable battle against violence and war, by waging one. And their "Protector" role they self titled themselves as often got in the way of the people of the galaxy who actively tried to make the galaxy a better place for people who live in it, while the jedi fought against the sith that didnt even exist in the eyes of the people.
Cryo Judgement the Jedi created the Sith
@@Bluesonofman True. It's a difference of ideals and beliefs. Both the Sith and the Jedi were wrong and evil. Sith were evil no doubt, however they were more attuned to the power of the force due to them having an open mind.
Jedi were also wrong to suppress these knowledge, knowing only a select few can handle it while most would definitely would not be ready and would fall to the dark side (Padawans, younglings and some knights). If they were trained properly using both the light and the dark side, they would have stood a chance.
First fulcrum was one of those good republic officers
I was thinking about this just last night, get out of my mind
Like a car crash happening to an influential figure you knew, but still, you have to move on.
MAKE LEGENDS CANON AGAIN!
Always has been, always will be.
Nice to know some of them weren't like Tarkin and actually understood all the Jedi did for them.
I think alot officers should have been scared... if the clones can just bypass the chain of command and gunned down their space-magic-using superiors, who will be next when Palpy feels threatened or want to clean house? High ranking generals and admirals? Mid-level officers? Maybe even fellow non-clone troops?
Probably is what a lot of them had though once it was clear the character of the new management, first it's very probable that many bought, at least at some level, the official version
Here's hoping his kindness and generosity led to him actually the coming conflicts and upheavals over the course of history. Same goes for his friend captain.
Bonus if they actually ended up fighting in the Battle of Yuuzhan'tar. Now that would be a really cool yet bloody experience, all while possible descendants of theirs even fought during the Sith-Imperial War.
Yeah, the majority of officers would have simply followed the new leadership without question but there are always a few who don't. This is generally a subject largely unexplored and I found it particularly interesting.
They should make stories like this canon, stories that don’t effect the cinematic universe but are still fun to watch and think”oh that’s so cool”
i love your videos, keep up the good work
Just watched the first episode on the siege of mandalore Arc, I have to say it’s pretty emotional and action packed
You should make a top 10 mandalorian video
Jedi: we will win this battle and nothing will stand in our way.
Clones: Lel
I love the star wars lore. Im currently reading the books dawn of the jedi. And starting from there onward.
Newly *Constructed* Darth Vader
Admiral yularen: that shit was lit bro
now that's what I've been wondering too
This man belongs in a museum
2:09 that comic part where the officer is calling out palp and palp introduces Vader i swear that was in a karren travis book? Imperial commando maybe? I remember reading that part exactly like that but I've never read a star wars comic so of those 2 parts are the same but in different books then THATS fucking bad ass
Admirals in a nutshell:
-Yuleraan : Damn bro the Jedi are cringe
-Tarkin: Yeet
-Coburn: Nigga do I look like I care?
That commander was a very loyal commander to the Jedi
Denimoor looks like Freddy Mercury
I wonder what Admiral Yularen thought about this
If they survived the Galactic Civil War I'd wager that Commander Teron and Captain Denamor joined the New Republic.
I think that order 66 came with something like...if non Jedi commanders start to ask, detain them till they are briefed by the chansler or a representative. If he says a secret word, it means the chansler has cleared him and he is to resume his command.
Oh my gosh your voice is so bootieful!!!
You guys should do a video on the Sector Rangers
Commander Teron and Captain Denimoor were true heroes *salute*
Ahh Legends. Back when the clones killed the Jedi out of loyalty to the Republic instead of some bullshit hypno-chip.
Honestly I don't think it's BS. The Clones fought with the Jedi and respected them.
@Tactical Bacon Well the Clone Wars showed that the Clones are very independent and would even betray the Republic if they thought it was right.
@@nameynamename3758 No they didn't. First of all, most clones had no personal relationships with the Jedi. Second of all, most clones disliked the Jedi because the Jedi treated them like cannon fodder except a few Jedi like Anakin. Third of all, the clones were NEVER loyal to the Jedi, but to the Republic. If they were really just being mind-controlled by a chip, then why were they so concerned for the Republic in Episode III and killed the Jedi because they thought the Jedi were trying to overthrow the government? Fourth of all, there's no point in having a brain chip when Episode II already established that the clones are totally obedient like any droid.
Read Republic Commando. It gives better insight on the clones than the entire TCW could ever hope to do. And there's no bullshit friendship between Cody and Obi-Wan.
There were few Clones in Legends that disobeyed Order 66 out of loyalty to the Jedi or believed it was a Separatist trick.
The chip would make sense as an insurance policy if nothing else.
I don't agree that the cartoon series undermines the concept of obedient clone soldiers. Rather, being programmed and conditioned from birth to act like a droid would not take away the essential humanity of the clone soldiers.
A humanity and individuality which would become more obvious over time.
I think that's consistent with Episodes II and III, where the clones are positively heroic - they are not merely carrying out routines, but are also conscious beings actively and creatively engaging with the task at hand.
If anything, those officers are the next batch of disposable cannon fodders for the empire in the stead of the Jedi. If such a purge can happen to the Jedi, why not them when the time comes.
The Jedi are bad
Non-Clone officers: seems legit
Seems palpatine willing to sacrifice more men to achived his goals
And now I can imagine them being in rouge one in a way when they we're once apart of the new established Empire could've helped out the rebels in that last battle
Clones: **kills their jedi**
Officer: GUYS WTF-
Clones: Orders are o-
Officer: WHY YOU DIDNT INVITED ME?!
In My Canon Commader Teron, Captain Denimoor and All The Other Imperial Officers that held the same sympathies to the Jedi as he did all Defected to the rebel alliance And served under my Fanon Jedi Master Bac’Cara Prayvus’s Rebel Cell and were present during the battle of Endor As Admirals under the command of Both Master Prayvus And His Uncle Admiral Ackbar of course they all survived the Galactic Civil War and Were even there when Jakku Happened they were also present at the battle of Coruscant before the Jakku stuff happened
I really enjoy your videos seen everyone I actually just recommended you guys to someone interested in lore and I wanted to ask if u guys will do Darth Vader and the ghost prison sometime in future loved that story and the characters
I love ur vids
Watching these videos it seems like so many artists trace key poses from Palpatine from the movies in comics
Can you do an updated version of palpatine's endgame but for the rise of Skywalker
Like if he had won in that movie (killing rey, destroying the galactic coalition fleet, all in his regenerated form)
They're evil now?
They're evil now?!
They're evil now!
Kinda just had a random what-if thought: in that comic talked about around 2:30, what if when Vader killed that officer, the others decided instead of complying to all mass-rush the Emperor and Vader to physically attack them?
a lot of officer dead, Vader and Palpy are just too powefull