Definitely leaning heavily towards a used Leaf. I did a test drive and honestly I was blown away by how smooth the drive was, everything in the cabin felt shockingly premium, and the range is absolutely plenty for me (I need about 200km highway). I've been torn between ID.3 and Leaf (about the same price), but I think the Leaf e+ has the nicer cabin in my opinion, although the tech in the ID.3 is fantastic, I think the part that sold me on not getting the ID.3 is the non-physical buttons, I feel like that would drive me absolutely crazy.
Chademo DC charging is not ideal, and the charging speed is also not great for longer journeys with the Leaf. In the UK, there are plenty of Chademo chargers in theory, but in practice they are spaced out and not enough of them at each site. So you might end up waiting to charge. This can extend journey time by a significant margin. For commuting and driving shorter journeys using only home charging the Leaf is great through.
@@decimal1815 true, I'm in Germany and we have a pretty solid amount of Chademo (I check every time I go on a road trip), and so far there's been an available Chademo every time we've stopped on some fairly long road trips. It'd be a lot better with 150KW CCS naturally, but I think I could definitely get by with Chademo.
Make another 90 kph test, with your ID.3 in this temperature. Just to compare !!! Otherwise, superb video man ! Keep it up ! Greetings from Barcelona !!
Noticed when i tested it on a long testdrive that the first 8-10% lasted a lot longer than the rest, so calculating like this would rob it of 10-20km of range
Another top video. The Leaf has some nice features,but it's just hamstrung by the chademo connection and its lack of availability. Most Leaf drivers I know struggle to get home to their own home charger.
In my area there are plenty of fast Chademo chargers. Also, the people you're talking about may have the 24 or 30 kWh variant. There now are only 40 kwh and 62kwh models sold.
@@pioneer7777777 Have to agree. Going on my second Leaf. I have a lot of Chademo chargers around me, and Nissans sales are going up on the Leaf. Also my real range in a 40 KWH model is anywhere from 190-270 km (weather dependent in Sweden). Not to mention that I can charge fully in a night at 3 KW. Not sure how far your friends thought they could drive, but my range is well within the stated and expected.
It would be great if all (except Tesla that has its own supercharger network) of the EV manufacturers decided on ONE type of connector. Nissan might be sabotaging its future sales by sticking with its proprietary plug. What are they thinking? Another interesting video. Thanks!
With 90 km/h driving approach you can do something else.... catch some truck starting from petrol station and sit on its rear in its wind tunnel it makes :) I think you will be able to drive 50 km more this way :)
@ Chris, Wie ist der Fehlerstatus vom ID.3? Was macht der 12V Fehler? Kann man das Auto nun problemlos 1 - 2 Wochen in die Garage stellen ohne das es tot ist?
@@BatteryLife 👍 Meine größte Sorge und der vieler anderen ist halt, das z.B. nach einem Urlaub ohne Auto von 2 Wochen man eine Leiche vorfindet. Sind momentan auch alle Fehlermeldungen behoben worden?
I was considering it.. But the range still seems to low for my use case. Ideally I would like to do ~300km at 130-150km/h with some range to spare. Do you think will we ever see hatchback sized EVs with 150-200kWh batteries (to have the same range as a modern diesel) at the same price as the equivalent ICE cars are today?
Hi Andrew, In due time, we will. Currently a Model3 can do nearly 400km at 120km/h in decent conditions. It may be priced higher than what you are looking for though.
Leaf is a commuter car that you charge at home overnight IMO. Good for journeys of up to 100 miles or so. Longer trips rely on the charging network being excellent, which is unlikely in 2023 at least. Better to get an EV with CCS charging if you need to go on longer journeys.
I wonder if it's like my Leaf 40's range estimate, where if you have it in Eco mode the estimate is far too optimistic for highway driving? I've found that the actual range I'll get is what it says in non-Eco mode with heating/AC on. Possibly it's being overly optimistic like that because I don't do a lot of highway driving, so it's basing its estimate on my normal day-to-day driving, and not updating the estimate quickly enough?
Hi! From 10 degrees Celsius to 20/30 degrees Celsius, what difference would result to the range? I live in Greece that temp is usually high throughout the year...
So we in the 1st minute see the problem ths car will have NO CCS. if you start at 92% then it should be 46% as have since if you could start at 100% and go to 50% turn around then its equal. it does mean you should have 4% more energy left when arrive back but it seemed to use more than that Does it have any battery management ? Why do Nissan the only company deside that you dont need to have any battery management and so save quite a bit on not fitting it this car is in uk £36K + almost the price of an e-niro with battery management were is the points of the car were it is better than e-niro for were the money saved on battery management has been spent.
Sure but the lease prices for the Leaf are 60% that of the E-Niro. I feel like Nissan really wants us to lease these. I have driven both and I am not convinced the E-Niro is a better car. My colleague has it and has be kinda bleh about it.
@@BatteryLife but there is no other reason than comfort and off-road/gravel roads to use less than 2.8 for car as Leaf. That car is heavy and mainly driven slow speeds so you will gain few, even several extra kilometers when you put 2.8! Or even 3.0 but in some tires it cause uneven wear.
Dear Chris, It looks you have squeezed all the juice from your waiting for ID.3 topic and not your channel is getting quite boring. I`m affraid this is just wasting time and your audience will decrease day by day.
Don't worry about rapidgate. That only happens at DC charging. And there are fewer and fewer ChaDeMo stations anyway. This car has the wrong plug. That's the main problem.
@@HenriZwols They are generally not removing charging stations, so it's not like the plugs are going away. I have about 40 Chademo chargers within driving distance from me. More than I could ever need.
Definitely leaning heavily towards a used Leaf. I did a test drive and honestly I was blown away by how smooth the drive was, everything in the cabin felt shockingly premium, and the range is absolutely plenty for me (I need about 200km highway). I've been torn between ID.3 and Leaf (about the same price), but I think the Leaf e+ has the nicer cabin in my opinion, although the tech in the ID.3 is fantastic, I think the part that sold me on not getting the ID.3 is the non-physical buttons, I feel like that would drive me absolutely crazy.
Chademo DC charging is not ideal, and the charging speed is also not great for longer journeys with the Leaf. In the UK, there are plenty of Chademo chargers in theory, but in practice they are spaced out and not enough of them at each site. So you might end up waiting to charge. This can extend journey time by a significant margin. For commuting and driving shorter journeys using only home charging the Leaf is great through.
@@decimal1815 true, I'm in Germany and we have a pretty solid amount of Chademo (I check every time I go on a road trip), and so far there's been an available Chademo every time we've stopped on some fairly long road trips. It'd be a lot better with 150KW CCS naturally, but I think I could definitely get by with Chademo.
Make another 90 kph test, with your ID.3 in this temperature. Just to compare !!!
Otherwise, superb video man ! Keep it up !
Greetings from Barcelona !!
I will do one when I have my winter tires. A full winter test including heat.
@@BatteryLife Thanks so much ! Looking for it ! XD
Let's predict the results for the thirsty ID.3, my guess is 15.3 :^)
@@abraxastulammo9940 I hope around 145 to 150 Wh/km... :=)
Thanks for the test :)
Leaf keeps a pretty significant reserve below 1%.
Thanks for the video.
Nice clear dashboard display
Noticed when i tested it on a long testdrive that the first 8-10% lasted a lot longer than the rest, so calculating like this would rob it of 10-20km of range
In mine it was very linear.
Another top video. The Leaf has some nice features,but it's just hamstrung by the chademo connection and its lack of availability. Most Leaf drivers I know struggle to get home to their own home charger.
In my area there are plenty of fast Chademo chargers. Also, the people you're talking about may have the 24 or 30 kWh variant. There now are only 40 kwh and 62kwh models sold.
@@pioneer7777777 Have to agree. Going on my second Leaf. I have a lot of Chademo chargers around me, and Nissans sales are going up on the Leaf. Also my real range in a 40 KWH model is anywhere from 190-270 km (weather dependent in Sweden). Not to mention that I can charge fully in a night at 3 KW. Not sure how far your friends thought they could drive, but my range is well within the stated and expected.
It would be great if all (except Tesla that has its own supercharger network) of the EV manufacturers decided on ONE type of connector. Nissan might be sabotaging its future sales by sticking with its proprietary plug. What are they thinking?
Another interesting video. Thanks!
This car feels so previous generation since you have the ID.3.
you can improve the parking by parking diagonally to occupy 3 spaces :)
With 90 km/h driving approach you can do something else.... catch some truck starting from petrol station and sit on its rear in its wind tunnel it makes :) I think you will be able to drive 50 km more this way :)
fahren, fahren, fahren auf der Autobahn
@ Chris, Wie ist der Fehlerstatus vom ID.3? Was macht der 12V Fehler? Kann man das Auto nun problemlos 1 - 2 Wochen in die Garage stellen ohne das es tot ist?
Hab ihn erst einen Tag und fahren jeden Tag. Wir werden es sehen ;)
@@BatteryLife 👍 Meine größte Sorge und der vieler anderen ist halt, das z.B. nach einem Urlaub ohne Auto von 2 Wochen man eine Leiche vorfindet. Sind momentan auch alle Fehlermeldungen behoben worden?
How many times have you found chargers that do not work? We are told that are so many chargers available world wide.
Since Ionity the normal triple chargers on the highway are very bad.
How does Ionity affect existing triple chargers?
Like that. Rately used, nobody noticing when fixing is needed.
5% on display is 15-17% on the battery if u use leafspy
Not everybody has Leafspy. If Nissan decides to show a wrong SOC, then the range is lower than expected.
I drive like a normal user.
@@BatteryLife Every car manufacturer should list both IMO.
All EVs should display kwh remaining IMO
I was considering it.. But the range still seems to low for my use case. Ideally I would like to do ~300km at 130-150km/h with some range to spare. Do you think will we ever see hatchback sized EVs with 150-200kWh batteries (to have the same range as a modern diesel) at the same price as the equivalent ICE cars are today?
This range test is under very adverse conditions, this car and others like it will do well over 400kms on a charge at these speeds.
Hi Andrew,
In due time, we will.
Currently a Model3 can do nearly 400km at 120km/h in decent conditions.
It may be priced higher than what you are looking for though.
Leaf is a commuter car that you charge at home overnight IMO. Good for journeys of up to 100 miles or so. Longer trips rely on the charging network being excellent, which is unlikely in 2023 at least. Better to get an EV with CCS charging if you need to go on longer journeys.
How far will you go without heat on?
I wonder if it's like my Leaf 40's range estimate, where if you have it in Eco mode the estimate is far too optimistic for highway driving? I've found that the actual range I'll get is what it says in non-Eco mode with heating/AC on. Possibly it's being overly optimistic like that because I don't do a lot of highway driving, so it's basing its estimate on my normal day-to-day driving, and not updating the estimate quickly enough?
The range prediction was ok.
Hi! From 10 degrees Celsius to 20/30 degrees Celsius, what difference would result to the range? I live in Greece that temp is usually high throughout the year...
Big impact. No idea how much.
How did you get home if you couldn't charge your car at the end of the test?
I charged 5km away from the end point at a 50kW triple chargers that works.
8.35min
Thats all you need to see
So we in the 1st minute see the problem ths car will have NO CCS.
if you start at 92% then it should be 46% as have since if you could start at 100% and go to 50% turn around then its equal.
it does mean you should have 4% more energy left when arrive back but it seemed to use more than that
Does it have any battery management ? Why do Nissan the only company deside that you dont need to have any battery management and so save quite a bit on not fitting it
this car is in uk £36K + almost the price of an e-niro with battery management were is the points of the car were it is better than e-niro for were the money saved on battery management has been spent.
Sure but the lease prices for the Leaf are 60% that of the E-Niro. I feel like Nissan really wants us to lease these. I have driven both and I am not convinced the E-Niro is a better car. My colleague has it and has be kinda bleh about it.
I thought Olivia was your wife, then you showed something in the back. What?
Olivia is not my wife!
@@BatteryLife Obviously not.
Climate 21 and heat on :DDD. How many bars do you have tire pressure? And maaan 2,5 is for bumpy city roads, try 2.8 bar!
I like it warm and comfortable. Tire pressure is the normal one, which is recommended by the car.
@@BatteryLife but there is no other reason than comfort and off-road/gravel roads to use less than 2.8 for car as Leaf. That car is heavy and mainly driven slow speeds so you will gain few, even several extra kilometers when you put 2.8! Or even 3.0 but in some tires it cause uneven wear.
I don't understand the clock!!
also First (just a bit later) ;-)
Tire pressure?
2,5 bar
@@BatteryLife Gotcha. I run 3 bar equivalent in PSI. Helps consumption I think. With the LEAF you need every advantage you can get!
First 🥇
Dear Chris,
It looks you have squeezed all the juice from your waiting for ID.3 topic and not your channel is getting quite boring. I`m affraid this is just wasting time and your audience will decrease day by day.
Thank you
Good EV, but liquid cooled battery is missing so rapidgate happens.
Don't worry about rapidgate. That only happens at DC charging. And there are fewer and fewer ChaDeMo stations anyway.
This car has the wrong plug. That's the main problem.
@@HenriZwols They are generally not removing charging stations, so it's not like the plugs are going away. I have about 40 Chademo chargers within driving distance from me. More than I could ever need.
Arriving with 5% left at Ionity fast charger..
"Damn! I bought the wrong car!"