The exact same thing happened in my first run, killed him with the last bullet I had after dying twice. Felt like the game was giving me a free pass for effort.
Yeah Scenario B is almost a copy-paste of A.That's something the original game did much better. Too bad because if they had made a Scenario B a story that happens simultaneously with A (AS IT SHOULD BE) and not a copy-paste of this and improved the zapping system, this game would've been the perfect remake for Re 2, but they hadn't so it's just good, but I still loved this remake so much.
@@Programm4r But in the original game (resident evil 2 1998) the stories are connected and affected each other, and the zapping system was and is better, that's why it's dissapointing that capcom has decided to make a copy-paste of scenario A, instead of doing something similar like the original
@Dominic dominic No, he's right. The City Roaming is pathetically short in RE3Make. It isn't nostalgia. We all want a dreaded Town/Alleyway with zombies and dogs. What we got was a little taste, then a doughnut shop, few loop arounds back to it, then segment after segment of Linear game. That's not to say it wasn't fun, it just wasn't the RE3 that should have been.
I think the worst thing for me is how Leon and Claire's stories didn't intertwine. I would have absolutely loved going from Leon's perspective to Claire's and seeing what changed or how they affected each others circumstances. (keep in mind that I hadn't played the original) When I heard that the original actually did do exactly that I was even more disappointed. I still love the game though, don't get me wrong
This was my first RE game at all & I have to agree. I'm not too keen on the story side, but it felt especially empty. Like a few random & short run-ins & that's all.
@@Night.League woah woah woah calm down there nostalgia glasses should i get you a glass of re 1 with a side of go fuck yourself. No one wants a nostalgia bitch so get the hell outta here fucking nerd.
While I don't necessarily agree with everything you said, I can respect the fact that you were very open to at least giving the game a chance and you were pretty fair on critiquing the game overall. I definitely agree on the music being a letdown, and the interaction between Claire and Leon was minimal at best. Funnily enough, I remember playing REmake a year or two after it came out for PC and I thought it was very well done, so well done that I was honestly considering holding off on playing Resident Evil 2 until the remake for that happens. I eventually found a copy for the game on the PS1 for $20 and bought it and played it, I'm glad I did, because in all honesty the difference in tone and art direction between this and REmake 2 is night and day. I implore anyone to at least give the original a try and see how different it compares to it's REmake counterpart and decide for yourself.
Tyler Nugent The original RE2 is stupidly good and aged way better than most games in that generation. It’s good enough to stand toe to toe wit REmake and RE4 even without the new remake.
@@SaberRexZealot Can't argue with you there. Something about the original Resident Evil 2 just feels good to play even after all this time, most games at the time are rather cumbersome to get used to due to their dated design, but somehow Resident Evil 2 felt fun to play even after all these years. Still enjoyed the remake for what it's worth though.
i like remake 2 for its graphics, gore, and increased amount of puzzles and inventory management. i prefer the original overall for story, atmosphere, music and creativity.
@@SaberRexZealot I think the original RE2 was a complete drag and doesn't even come close to REmake or RE4 in any way, I think even 7 and code veronica were better
Really should've mentioned that interview with Hirabayashi where he "really wanted to stress that composer working on this title is the composer of the original game, so even if it's 20 years later, this is very much his vision of what the audio should be for RE2".
Samaeru Kuro Wow really? That’s very surprising news. Personally I loved the way the new music was done. It kept the atmosphere in check and ramped up significantly for the more hype moments. I have more issues with its mixing and how drowned out it gets among other sounds. It’s the Blade Runner 2049 thing; the music is not as amazing as the original by itself (Vangelis compared to Zimmer) but it compliments the sequel perfectly.
that wouldn't really change nerrel's point that it isn't what _he_ liked about the original, especially when he already said that he was sure this was the kind of game they wanted to make. his point wasn't that they'd failed in creating their vision, it was that the remake dropped elements from the original that, in his opinion, not only would have made the experience better but were essential in what made the original the experience that it was it's a good game but it doesn't remake the atmosphere or tone in the way that nerrel wanted to, which is honestly something that happens a lot when it comes to remakes of this nature when people have to compromise based on hardware limitations and end up making a game that's Weird in just the right way to find a dedicated audience often times taking those limitations away makes the vision behind the game less appealing, because it was precisely the results of the limitations that enchanted audience members of course that isn't always the case but what it really comes down to is the creators being able to understand the appeal of their products though that said, if this soundtrack truly was the original vision for the game, then I don't see why they couldn't have done it first time. it'd be far easier to replace the music files with ambient noise files compared to like, upping lighting effects past what was possible for the hardware
Sounds like a George Lucas syndrome. It does not matter what things might've been meant to be at some point of history, when what we got instead is the highly acclaimed and beloved title everyone knows. If this no-music + pseudo-dubstep BS was ever even considered (doubt it), then thank fucking god we avoided that bullet in the 90s and early 00s,
It sounds like the composer came back trying to do something contemporary and Hirabayashi was putting words in his mouth. If this was the original vision then that's what he would have done, it was very much possible to do this kind of sound back then.
Cutting out the music and charging people for it was insane. I can't believe they didn't get more shit for this. Removing the marshalling yard with the moon was criminal.
Well shit, basically laying out every issue that I had with this game. The AB scenarios being as lacking as they were really did bother me, especially with the repeated boss fights. The first time you used the crane? neat. The fourth? Not so neat.
That wasn't neat at all IMO. It was by far the weakest boss fight for me. First you had to wait for Birkin to finish finger fucking the ceiling, easily dodging his attacks while checking your watch. Then you had to run past him as he ripped the door open, clipping your respective player models into each other as you do so. THEN you have to run to the crane area in order to actually engage in the enemy. Has anyone tried overpowering him with a rocket launcher as soon as he rips the door open? I've never tried it. Disclaimer, I loved RE2R. I managed a 1:01 as Leon after like 20 tries and 1:25 as Claire after giving up on my 15th or so.
This was first RE game, so I really can't talk that much about how it good it is as a remake. But I liked how it didn't have that much of a soundtrack, the 3D noise and just overall silence made it tense and it captured me atmospherically. Though I don't think I would have hated if they added more presence to the original's or new soundtrack
I personally loved it. I thought of it as a reimagining, and capturing the essence of what made the original what it was and blending it very well with modern gaming aesthetics. I do agree about the lack of music, but I had no issues with Mr X. He added some nice suspense to the game and hearing him stomping around the RPD searching for you is a cool touch. I still love the original, but I treat them as two separate games. From the onset this was going for a more serious tone, and despite the 3rd person camera angles they still managed to provide a great survival horror experience.
The problem with this remake its that dont replace the original as the re 1 remake did , i dont you know you think, but after playing re 1 remake i no longer want to play the original from 1996 anymore.
Creepy Old Man I'd only agree on the A & B scenarios. I personally prefer silence with ambient sounds over BGM music when playing horror, it just drives the game closer to reality for me. With the exception of Mr. X's theme, i don’t think I will ever NOT have a panic attack if I hear it at any random interval in my life.
Agreed, specially MR.X, sure he can get very annoying at times but it gets the job done on providing tension and uncertainty for the player, something that the original one didn't do at all. OG Mr.X wasn't even scary or well designed, He didn't took much punishment to K.O and his AI was very bad, to the point leaving and re-entering the room he appeared in made him go away until his next scripted apperance In which you could do the same making him practically absent for the rest of the game. There's a reason why before the RE2 remake everyone remebered Nemesis and no one bothered with Mr.X
I agree with those 2 points partly each, the B scenarios werent very different to the A side and the lack of music was somewhat disappointing. However they werent entirely bad as i saw them being mainly introduced for your second playthrough of the game, so you play Claire A or Leon A and then move onto the other characters B side. Music though I think was well done but could have used a few more scores into the mix to bring the game to life like its older counterpart.
Hell yeah your videos are so quality. Glad to see you're uploading more stuff decently frequently Hopefully the PC version gets a mod that adds the OST back in
@@DrWiley-fm3ik Maybe there will be someone who truly remasters the music and makes it a mod? I'm sure it would be taken down quickly but hey, at least it'd be made for a bit
@@DrWiley-fm3ik I realise theres a DLC for the OST, but I said remastered. I play with the OST dlc myself. My point is the OST doesn't fit with the remake. What I said was for someone to remake the music with a modern feel, much like the remake does, but actually make it louder, and not just ambience..
Obviously a little late on this but with regards to Mr. X, his AI does actually walk around the Police Station in real time while the character explores/runs away. The way he seems to just pop up can be incredibly disconcerting, but that's the entire point of his character right? I think it's pretty cool that they took the care and time to make sure he actually didn't just teleport around.
I'm not sure if that's entirely right. If I remeber correctly he does kind of ends up teleporting around due to him not really being able to walk normally in the not loaded parts of the map, so he does sorta end up being closer to you always even when he shouldn't be. They did try to make it like a realistic AI and perhaps one day when the entirety of the place will be able to be loaded this could be realized as intended, though I still think they did a good job on him :> he definitely was terrifying to me, made me run around like an idiot in the beggining just going nope nope stay away :'D
@@nelav1354 Yea you're right, but even in instances where the map is'nt loaded he still moves through that same 3D space while he jerks forward which is pretty cool. During special scenes like the helicopter reveal he does teleport around but hey it's still a game right? 3D space and animation have come a long way idk what we'll be capable of in 20 years
@@DS3Enjoyerhe didn't spread misinformation. Mr. X does teleport to you at times. What's considered a 'scripted' event in RE2 remake for Mr. X isn't always clear.
This is a balanced review, and highlights the misgivings I have about this remake. Graphics are great, zombies are excellently designed and a threat once again after their bizarre treatment in RE6, character models are very good, Birkin is wonderfully creepy and unpredictable, there's a lot that's good and it's no doubt more easy to play as OTS - and yet it lacks the magic of the original game. The cinematic style and perfectly-judged music made it special, and the impact of Mr X was much greater for being kept 'til later in the playthroughs. Another issue is that the game seems to keep borrowing bits from other games - puzzles from one RE, the engine from another, so to me it lacks identity. What made RE4 so phenomenal was its conviction in doing something that was then brand new, which games like RE2 Remake lack.
@@whenallelsfails21 I feel like village is a closer game to 4 now. It has a similar setting, pacing, and even story. The gameplay is a similar balance too- despite being from a different perspective. Re2 is much more puzzle/backtracking based than 4 or Village (or pretty much any of the newer games from the looks of things), and despite being OTS- doesn’t place much emphasis on action.
@@filmaticpictures9693 re4 gave you more tools during combat. Things like shooting projectiles out of the air and triggering the melee with headshots made re4 combat super engaging and have high skill players something to do. Re village leans too much on a lame block mechanic and the combat is just too limited to be fun. It tries to be re4 but it is extremely shallow. I'd rather just have it be a third person tank control game.
Two counterpoints, both about Mr. X: 1. I thought he was handled perfectly. I never found him threatening or scary in the OG, but rather an annoying ‘get hit once then run’ machine that made repeat playthroughs even more annoying, but now, he’s persistent and relentless, but also readable and avoidable. He makes your initial enemy-clearing meaningful and potentially deadly. He’s an enemy completely woven into player-choice and level design just as Crimsons were to REmake 1. 2. His approach and his battle themes are my favorites in the new score.
Definitely agree. In my playthrough, he definitely never seemed too overbearing. Luring him away kept him away for quite some time and didn't interfere with any puzzles or exploration for me.
Same. I’ve given it 3 Hardcore runs so far and it never felt like he ruined my experience. Curious to see how speedrunners avoid him though. I don’t doubt there’s some issues with him that arise the higher the challenge.
singular on1 ‘Flow maker, not flow breaker’ is incredible wording. Right when the precinct starts to stagnate, he introduces a hard current you then have to deal with. And in horror, that works so well.
Looking back in the original RE2. He was never threatening or scary. Once you leave the room , he is gone. New RE2 He can go anywhere with nothing holding him back.
love your work, you seem to have an eye and an ear for everything that really matters in video games, old and new. If the games industry collectively adopted your values i wouldn't worry so much.
I was disappointed by the soundtrack big time. Some of the themes, like when Mr. X is after you or the lab escape definitely felt intense, but the overall lack of bg music was disappointing. The original soundtrack really added to the ambience and that feeling of hopelessness imo. Silence can work well at times, but it gets old when that's 99% of the game. Hearing the familiar chimes in the remade save theme, or when you first enter the RPD was a nice touch, but as you said, they play for only a couple seconds, overall feeling like a waste.
Glad to see a critical look at this game. Most people are just willing to throw perfect scores at it without mentioning things like the lack of enemy variety or how pointless the 4 scenarios feel this time around. With that said, I think REmake 2 has great level design, pacing and flow. How do you feel about the new sewers and labs in terms of layout and puzzles?
Well I’m sure the perfect scores aren’t for nothing. I don’t like the mainstream review outlets personally, I rely on smaller youtubers as more often than not they are a better critical look. I don’t like the last two scenario’s story wise, but gameplay wise I think it’s very good! The only complaints other than that are that the spiders were removed, Bowgun was removed, the story doesn’t make sense in a lot of parts, Ada’s “death” is the old one that didn’t make much sense. And while I don’t mind at all that the new music score is more atmospheric than anything, I don’t like how the save room theme almost never plays once you have your first/second save room unlocked for the first time. That’s one of the best parts about RE game’s. Even 7 did that! If I had to give a rating though it’d be a 9.0-9.5. It has a couple smaller issues (besides the story bits) but I think it’s the best remake of a game ever made besides REmake 1.
It seems that people have really low standards because of RE being pure action for so long. Personally, I am satsified with REmake 2, but it could have been so much more. And imo, REmake 2 cant hold a candle to REmake 1. Not because of the new camera or anything like that, but because the developers had to REMOVE stuff instead of fixing it. The spiders for example. I'm mildly arachnophobic, so I was REALLY looking forward to see how fucking creepy these things would look. Too bad they had to remove the spiders for whatever reason. The marshalling yard would be another example. Why remove one of the most iconic locations in the original game like that? Why not expand and improve it? You know, like REmake1 did. REmake 1 didn't have to remove anything. It kept everything from the original and made stuff even better.
@@D-Nova Agreed. The Ivy monsters being crappy plant zombies instead was also pathetic. Here you had a monster that had 3 different attacks at different ranges replaced by a zombie with a basic grab attack. They can't even inflict poison. Not only that but both scenarios in the original had purely exclusive bosses. REmake2 straight out has you repeat the same 3 Birkin fights. I wish these people would hold it up to the standards as a game made over 20 years ago by a team half the new team's size with a smaller budget made in less then 2 years but they likely won't. They're just happy to pay more and settle for less.
@@D-Nova You're absolutely right. I've been saying this for a while now, that people have such low standards at this point that this game is seen as a masterpiece. I can't understand why people claim RE2 Remake is the new standard for remakes, REmake is still that for sure. Only things that make sense to me are A. people have been so desperate for RE2 in some form that they're blinded by hype, B. a bunch of fans that only ever cared about the shooting-focused titles wanna elevate THEIR version of RE2, or C. people really don't care any more for the finer qualities of video games and just want more pretty point and shooty.
That being said, REmake and RE4 are my favorite titles in the series for very different reasons, and very few of those reasons are found in RE2 Remake. The gunplay of RE4 is supplemented by the risk-reward of getting close for a melee attack with a swarm of enemies in range. It's nowhere near scary and I'm not saying it's hard, but I'd consider it a fun and challenging gameplay loop. RE 2 Remake just has zombies that might loose limbs, but with the bullet sponging it's not fun and there's as much incentive to fight enemies as classic RE, which doesn't mesh with point and shooty. On the other end of things, REmake is a well put together horror experience with a sense of personality. RE2 Remake just looks like so many other third-person shooters with zombie-esque enemies where a super serious drama story are so important that it feels bland and less than the original. Even if they didn't intend for it to be cheesy as we see it now, it had more life.
Fixed camera angles weren't a limitation of the time when you had third person games like Tomb Raider and Ocarina of Time. It was purposely used because the devs could use it to allow what the players could and could not see at any moment, to create tension. Like an enemy just off screen, where you can hear its sounds and you wonder what it is. Same for the tank controls, it was to create tension through gameplay. So people calling it "outdated" or a "limitation of the time" don't understand that these were deliberate.
furthermore fixed camera was used in Re1 remake and Zero in 2002, moving camera was already being used in Code Veronica with 3D environments so they didnt have to use fixed camera in 2002. They used it because it still worked and was effective. Poor sales of those games were not due to fixed camera, poor sales were due to the Nintendo Exclusive the series had at that time. Even RE4 sold bad on Gamecube before it was ported.
I miss the fixed cameras, but I'm glad we got what we got because it is pretty good but I consider this game it's own thing it doesn't seem to me like a true remake or reimagining, it's just kind of there in it's own right.
@@okagron Something can be deliberate & bad at the same time though. Tank Controls aren't as amazing as enthusiast like to think. If tank controls are so incredibly rewarding, complex & precise, more games would use that method to this day. tank controls are clunky.
Fuck this obsession with trying to create immersion by removing music really, every fucking game does that now. It was tense when Thief was doing but now that it became the norm the mood created by doing this has became so samey and devoid of personality in almost every recent game that does this. I don't think this is inherently bad, some moments in the Remake work pretty well when there's no music at all but when 80% of the experience is like this it just doesn't work, silence should be used to highlight tension by using it sparingly.
I feel like the worst changes were those that involved the story. They cut so many things and changed so much that contextualized or gave weight to what was happening. I feel like they cared more about making faithful RE4 gameplay than making a faithful RE2 remake.
Yeah Ashley from re4 was more annoying. And the zombies themselves got on my nerves You just have to run for your life with Mr. X. He's just there to stalk.
How can someone who says Mr X is annoying has the right to call himself an RE expert or compare the classic with the remake? Mr X is annoying if the player just stupidly runs away from him as fast as posibble while shoot everything stands in their way which would only allow Mr X to know exactly where you are. Those who think X is annoying are those who sucks at real survivor horror.
@@TheAnhphuong92 it’s not about being good at the game or being expert on survival horror games, it’s about the quite moments to let you sink into the atmosphere of the game, for the suspenseful and action moments there always should be room for breathing, like save rooms, but in locations that you slove puzzle’s, i personally enjoyed the chess puzzle in RE2 remake, with a great soundtrack playing in the background, Mr.X was great in this game but it didn’t reward you for fighting him…
I came across your vids and upon seeing the first one I couldn't help the thought from crossing my mind that went to the tune of....'Is that you, God?' Not to be overdramatic about liking content or anything.
I believe modders confirmed Mr x doesn't teleport into the area you're in. Alligator was fan service as that is a silly fight. I 100% agree about the route b scenario is bull. Where I'm lost is how kind of boring atmosphere is a critique? A follow-up is needed as it feels your former review in October of the previous year is being justified. I think the lack of music adds a level of uneasiness throughout, not to mention with the sound echo when you add headphones. I agree the lack adequate music score is the most lacking. Also the story could of used more work.
I agree with some of his critiques (like the B scenario stuff and some of the cut content), but others don't make much sense to me. I don't understand how someone could think Tyrant's reimagining was disappointing. It was legitimately the most stressful part of the RPD on my first couple playthroughs. It was perfectly timed, too; just as I was getting used to dealing with the zombies and lickers, suddenly there's a guy chasing me around the whole damn police station, forcing me to speed up around lickers or slow down around zombies. Hearing his footsteps nearby was the most nerve-wracking experience. I didn't mind the lack of music all that much, because there's a shit-ton of ambient noise that's obviously there to fuck with your head. You'll hear a distant zombie moan, or half a dog bark, a piece of metal hit the floor, etc, and you're never quite sure if it's just the ambient noise or something around the next corner. Music doesn't work as well because of how quickly you can move through areas once you're familiar with them and because there are no more door-open loading scenes to make a smooth transition. This is a big part of the reason I don't play with the retro music -- the transitions are too quick and frequent. Also, his claim that the save room music goes away after the first time you've heard it is simply incorrect.
Robert Cortes Personally, I could care less about the soundtrack, I like it quiet with ambient sounds (I like it to mirror reality as closely as possible and I’m sure I’m not humming a song in my head rather than listening for the ambient noises like Mr. X's footsteps or Licker's claws on the wall). The criticism that the score doesn’t stick with me kinda is lost when a bunch of games with "awe-inspiring" scores also don’t stick with me because I’m not listening for it or, in RE2's case, I’m too busy panicking to stop and take in a score. His criticism on Mr. X also somewhat irked me. His becoming a stalker character didn’t ruin him for me, it makes him so much more terrifying. I liked how, once he was introduced, the game forced you to completely rethink your strategy on puzzle solving and trying figure out new ways to maneuver around the station while also avoiding the Trenchcoat Thanos. Finally, the atmosphere argument I agree was lacking. I thought it was amazingly creepy and eerie and I loved the moments with dark hallways with only the flashlight. Maybe my tastes for horror (and gaming in general) have drastically changed since I first played RE2, but I honestly liked the reimagining a tad bit better.
As someone who stopped playing this series altogether after 5 since I didn't like 4 or 5 (and it seems like 6 was an even bigger joke), this was the PERFECT use of over-the-shoulder. Everything felt tactical and every move we had to do was intentional. You complain that Mr. X was an 'inconvenience' but in my view he is part of what made the game work so well. The zombies are actually threatening, but once you know how to deal with them they're no big deal. The lickers are hard to fight but if you sneak past it's fine... but if Mr. X is following you persistently then dealing with them suddenly becomes a huge ordeal. You complained about him following you during the "move the bookshelves" segment and how you had to distract him elsewhere, but that's the entire point! The game forces you to make decisions and be tactical. Also you said you couldn't focus on Marvin because of Mr. X but in playthrough 1 Marvin dies before Mr. X starts stalking you, so I don't understand that. Also as for Mr. X 'teleporting' that only happens during scripted sequences like breaking through the wall or the prison escape segment, etc. Otherwise he's always persistent in the world and in real places.
About the last parragraph, not really. It didn't happened to me, but I have seen video on TH-cam where he clearly teleport from one place to another. Seem like this isn't common, but still happens under certain circunstances.
I'm going to be real....I don't remember a single music track from the game outside of Hunk and Tofu. I was really hoping for more callbacks to Re2 but they tend to miss those opportunities. I got to the library and I noticed that there wasn't any music to it. Mr.X got annoying when I got lost
Excellent analysis as always. I really like how you ended the video; reminding us as viewers that this is all your opinion, then suggesting what people might think based on their play style or view point, then of course... 8/10 Twerking Tingles. I'm also very impressed with how quickly you were able to put this up, especially having just posted another video 4 days ago. Thank you for your content.
Same. I never tired of his constant interruptions. It significantly ramped up the tension and gave the R.P.D. a completely new feel after you’d already explored it. I understand the complaint about his interruptions breaking the flow of gameplay, and the fact that at least a third of the game is dedicated to avoiding him, but I thought it was refreshing as hell, personally. Makes me seriously wander how the fuck they can do Nemesis considering all of the running and mutating.
singular on1 Nerrel wasn’t putting “the flow of the game” above “being scared,” cause it was pretty obvious he wasn’t scared. For most players, when a really simplistic and very not well done mechanic like X is so easy to avoid that you know exactly what to do when he comes around (ie, just go lure him somewhere else, come back to where you were) he ceases to be a character/enemy and just becomes, like Nerrel said, a nuisance. Predictability isn’t scary. It becomes a flowchart, not horror based reactionism. X stops being scary when you understand him, and if you found him scary throughout the whole third of the game that’s dedicated to him, you likely never internalized that or really understood him. He’s just frustrating to deal with.
@@IanZWhite00 Nah I got the gist of him pretty early on, but I never felt he lost his ability to be an obstacle regardless of predictability. Even after thoroughly understanding how to avoid his ai, I always felt as if what I was doing could easily be interrupted by a legitimate threat. I think what separates him from most stalker enemies (which I tend to hate in horror games as well) is that the player always has a legitimate agency in avoiding/stunning him. To me it's very similar to the choices you make every time you decide what limbs to shoot off of a zombie; there is no correct answer, but instead there are many (often hard) choices that the player is forced into picking from. I never felt as if I was simply just running in a straight line from hello neighbor, but instead I felt as though he was just another element to induce panic-based decisions in regards to resource and health management. Furthermore, I have to agree that his appearance in the Ada Wong segments absolutely lack tension due to the absence of any real decision making (those segments more so are literally just walking in a straight line away from the guy). Horror an tension are extremely subjective however, and I can absolutely understand how that certain perspective would cause him to be a complete annoyance.
@@mrshamf3484 Even the original is flawed. He says here that the Alligator scene was like RE6, and to be fair it WAS... however, even in the original game the real way to beat the alligator was by pushing down a gas tank and then shooting it ONCE. I get that maybe people didn't figure that out on their first run through, but if you knew about it, that took all of the tension out of that part of the game. No game is perfect. I honestly thought this guy was going to give a lower rating than an 8 out of 10 due to his complaints. I don't agree with everything he said but he has some valid points.
@@TheJokesterSCR yeah i've come to that conclusion, both games are majorley overhyped, don't get me wrong the originals great and the new ones alright but they are getting a lot more love than deserved
I think what hurts me most is the existence of this game means no RE2 remake made in the way that I wanted (in the same vein as RE1 remake). At least not for another 20 years or something.
@@TogetherLemon Yes, and I've played it to death to this day. I wanted something that eclipses the original in every way, not removing stuff, but adding. While keeping the same gameplay style and personality.
I love your videos so much man. You talk about all these topics in ways I’ve never even thought of. I’ve never played Resident Evil but the way you talk about the originals makes me want to try them some day. Keep it man!
I was absolutely loving the game by the time I finished the first scenario with Leon. I was looking forward so much to playing the second scenario with Claire, and then replaying the game with the inverted scenarios for each character. Then I realized there really was no such thing as a second scenario and the story was completely killed by all the contradictions I saw while playing Claire's scenario B. I still really like the game, but I don't feel like replaying it at all anymore...
I was kinda in the same boat, played leon A then claire B. Thought the "true" ending was great(never played original re2). Then completed s rank claire A on standard and hardcore, for the infinite pistol and smg. Its really worth it id say for the cutscenes and dialogue alone as Claire A and Leon B.
I personally never even played through all 4 scenarios in the original. Even playing Leon A and Clair B had SOME continuity issues back then. Yeah, it's a little worse now. But... I feel like I got my moneys worth even just with Leon A in the remake. The rest was just a bonus.
I will say that mr x was pretty well used. He apeared enought to spice things up but not to the point of ruining the experience, because part of the appeal was to explore and find things. He worked very well when you knew he was looking for you but didnt know where he is. Because you could hear his footsteps and the suspense of suddenly seeing him was great. But as more time passes the cracks start showing and he becomes an obstacle(and not very threatening at that).
You basically articulated everything I struggle to communicate to people when talking about this stuff. Great work, and I really appreciate you taking the time and effort to do this. I'm glad you care about this stuff, as I can't seem to find anyone else that really does to the same extent.
I remember just getting into Resident Evil when this game was announced. I’d beaten 7 and 4, which made me excited to see another game with Leon coming out. I actually went to a thrift store and bought a copy of Resident Evil 2 on the PS1 like half a year before the release of the remake in January of 2019. Because of that, I had a really interesting experience playing both essentially one after the other. I love the RE2 remake, it’s one that I go back to frequently. I also love the original PS1 title, both managed to scare me multiple times which I wasn’t expecting from either. I thought that the PS4 title would’ve been action oriented similar to Resi4, and that the original would’ve been too dated. Because of these expectations, I had a great time with both. Though Mr X or Tyrant was extremely annoying after my initial playthrough of the PS4 version.
"Resident evil 2's atmosphere was created by dramatic angles, great art direction, and a really powerful soundtrack. And that's why it's held up so well in spite of looking so pixelated and blocky. The things the atmosphere was based on don't really age." I'm kind of speechless. That's incredibly well said. You're analysis and writing are superb. I find myself wanting to re-watch your videos before I've even finished them.
Your sentiments pretty much echo my own although I didn't hate Mr. X as much. He was easy to elude but became annoying when I had to do the gears puzzle in the clock tower and had to keep going in and out of the room until he spawned from somewhere that wasn't in my path. His initial reveal is underwhelming compared to the original and he's easily eluded because the roof area isn't blocked off after his arrival either. On a 2nd scenario things also got silly because I simply ran laps around the station using the outdoor stairwell whenever he blocked my progress on that end of the building. The Ada section would have been fine were it not bogged down by the hacking mechanic. It just makes the whole thing tedious instead of difficult. After two tries I did it without any weapons and got the achievement since the enemy and hacking placements are always the same. Sherry's segment was good until I realized it's just the second VHS tape from RE7. While they at least were smart enough to randomize the block puzzle this time, the rest of the segment is too heavily scripted to have any real replay value. The croc also has none since he attacks from the same directions every time. In the original you could at least choose to fight him as an optional boss to challenge yourself, and doing so even rewarded you with items in the A scenario. The devs were even considerate enough to put a typewriter just outside his room for those who chose to fight him head on. The return of the zapping system was so baffling to me because prior to release, Capcom claimed they were forgoing it in favor of two more distinct campaigns. Something I was actually on board for. But instead we just get two scenarios that overlap even more than the original did. Every boss in a first or second scenario in the original is unique but here every boss is the same except for the last one and the extra boss in the second half is of course the same regardless of which character you're using. All in all I'm glad I just bought this game used because the experience was underwhelming at best. I'd give it a 6/10 personally. It's not just that the game isn't fixed cam, it's that it's also OTS, a play style that is incredibly bog standard at this point. After playing RE4-6, Rev 1-2, TLOU, TEW1-2, GOW, Uncharted, The Order 1886 and The Final Season of the Walking Dead I'm really tired of it. Until Dawn felt like a breath of fresh air and understood the advantage to using fixed cam for a horror game. The devs for it were even pleased with the sales despite their numbers which to me says they had reasonable expectations for it unlike most other companies these days. I don't think I'll even bother with TLOU2 or Days Gone. I only gave this reimagining the time of day because it's an RE game, and even then I still didn't support it.
At least the original OST is DLC. I turned it on and never looked back...and I dont even have any serious nostalgic ties to the original. One thing I do wish they would've done is include the original as an extra, due to how different they are.
@singular on1 To better explain, I have casually dabbled with RE2 since it got a release on the PS3 PSN, plus prior experience with Resident Evil DS did paint the picture of how atmospheric the games are than downright scary. That much I can see without getting too far into it (I got stuck on a puzzle that was removed in the remake in the RCPD). So even without those tracks etched into my mind, I knew it felt horribly lacking with no OST. OST is also often half the game to me, so after like 40 minutes I popped it on and have no regrets.
Thanks for this Nerrel, I've found myself being genuinely excited when seeing new uploads from you more than any of my other subscriptions. There's something oddly no-nonsense about your voice that makes your jests particularly punchy and I fucking love it.
You do such high quality videos, this channel should've 100x more subs! We get to get such humorous and yet deep review of the game. Keep up the good work!
The over-reliance on darkness and that fucking flashlight combined with the over the shoulder camera was actually headache inducing. If it was first person, you would be able to spot doors on the left or right as you walk down a corridor, but when it's third person and you can only see the 30% of the screen illuminated by the flashlight, you cannot see any doors without constantly swinging the light from side to side as you go. It also doesn't help that apparently every single surface in the police station has been polished to a mirror sheen, so simply pointing the flashlight at a wall is enough to blind you to whatever is actually there.
Man you keep getting better and better at your editing, commentary and comedian timing. Also your video is much more informative than a lot of reviews out there which, when taking into account the time between the release of the game and your review, is impressive. Keep up the excellent work!
I really don't get the complaint about the flashlight. It has been done the best possible way. It doesn't run out of battery and your character equips it automatically. It makes sense that half the areas in the police station are in the dark, and even then there are small lightsources, its not pitch-black like Doom 3. It felt like a pretty seamless and natural implementation to me.
@@MotobugGaming "Tired and lame" to be specific. It's less about any inherent flaws in the system and more about how when everything is doing it, it feels pretty tiresome. It's been long enough since tank controls and static cameras were the norm that people mostly revisit the best games with them and can appreciate the positives. When something is common enough, the negatives become more and more obvious.
I love the RE2 remake mostly because it's an actual survival horror and did the combat and exploration and puzzle solving very good...but in the long run, yeah I agree about the game's "value" not being on par with the original RE2.
I’m someone who got all the achievements in the Re2 remake and love it but still I agree with everything you said. I wish the original game became obsolete by the remake but it didn’t :(
There's a very simple concept at work here regarding the shortcomings of this game's atmosphere vs. the original: Attention = tension The PS1 game had detailed pre-rendered backgrounds which were mostly very color-saturated, contrasty, and well-lit. This, combined with the fixed camera angles, meant that every area commanded the player's full attention. When your brain is fixated on absorbing all the little details of the area, the colors, the lighting, the camera angle, etc, it creates a sense of immersion. Attention = tension. When all the environments are visually similar (i.e. dark, desaturated, and viewed from the same over the shoulder perspective) it means that the player's attention is no longer on each area - no longer on the painting-like setting, the bright colors juxtaposed with the lingering possibility of violence or a jump scare, but only on the zone of vision immediately in front of the third-person character view. No attention, no tension.
I've never even aged the original and the song when you first walk into RPD is still stuck in my head. Thats just how Capcom usually does music. Well, used to be.
I agree with the music. The production would’ve been the least expensive part and capcom could’ve easily have hired a music producer/composer to replay it with more realistic modern sounds. Could’ve been incredible
I disagree with you about mr x. He appears at the perfect time; when enemies are becoming easier, and you know exactly what to do for puzzles. He turns the game from a standard ressy survival horror to a alien isolation style survival game with a lumbering, terrifying mutant stalking you and patrolling the facility. He hears your sprinting, gunshots, and walks almost as fast as your running speed. HOWEVER, I do hate him in the Ada section as well as the second play through, because playing through the entire game with him is really frustrating.
I only found out after my first playthrough that if you avoid running all the time (or shooting), Mr. X doesn't follow you that much. He chases you all the time if he can hear you. Knowing that made my second playthrough significantly less stressful.
What are you talking about? How does Mr. X appearing frequently ruin the game? If anything, it improves on the original game. Sure in certain sections, he can be cheap. But that's the game doing it's job. This is Survival Horror at it's best. Trying to conserve ammo while running from that threat that you can't kill.
"Running from a threat you can't kill" stops being scary and starts becoming routine if the game overuses it. After a dozen or so times, I felt no fear at all when leading Mr. X down a hall to get him away from me.
@@Nerrel in the Majora's mask video you said that Nintendo listens to fans complaints and tends to overcorrect as a result. If Capcom listened to all of the old re fans complaints and over corrected this game would probably turn out poorly or take no risks. Games have to evolve and I am really glad they went the directory they did with this game and I started out with the og RE
@@Nerrel just because it stopped being scary for you doesn't mean it was that way for everyone else. Or do you expect me to believe that Mr x in og re 2 was scarier.
Whitson Baez it was more survival in the og because X was a obstacle you could manuver, meaning you could trade blows to stop him following you and pick up ammo from his body for your troubles, while remake X is a wall in progress that you figure out your method and the various times he comes back, you repeat, over and over
I don't like the trend of soundtracks being "in the background" instead of being memorable, timeless pieces. The re2 original soundtrack did it right and I'll never understand why they ignored it for the remake. Maybe it's just me, but I find the justification of the bgm being barely noticeable is lazy. It results in a soundtrack that nobody remembers, because it barely supports the gameplay.
I loved everything about this remake except mr. X and the music . I think they did it a disservice by not letting you stop him like the original. The whole notion you could stop him made him a beatable threat. It also made it to where when he appeared it was effective and spooky because your first playthrough you didn't know when he'd appear and often it could be inconvenient but not to the pain in the ass like he is in the remake.
@@nickyd8049 That's true but it's a waste of resources and because they're so scarce in this version, there's no real reason to fight him. Whereas before he would basically be beaten for that area and when you left he was gone. You didn't have to worry about him showing up in the middle of a puzzle or something that needed your attention.
@@ScrapMetalHead It's called tension. They knew he would be this unstoppable killing machine and that in itself is a puzzle. Luring him away to where you need to go and then walking back in hopes you have a few moments left is part of the experience. Like you said, it's a waste of resources to try and kill him because he was meant to be something different from modern games. This isn't supposed to be an experience where you get rewarded for killing something; your only reward is not dying and that was always part of the Resident Evil experience (before 4 came around at least)
I agree with all you said, it captures nearly half of the beauty of the original, and it's still a damn good game. This elevates the original even more to me
you are totaly right about the atmosphere, thats why the first thing i did when i entered the RPD and didnt listened the original song, was to buy the original soundtrack, and after that, BAM, there is the atmosphere the game needed!
Weird, around 10:00 when you cut to terminator footage I was on my porch and Linda Hamilton walked by with her dog. She lives close to me but never see her on this side of the neighborhood.
@@thespinelizard4444 how tf did he like nemisis but not x? hes literally just a recurring bossfight and an uninspired one at that. Dude adds zero tension at any point, especially when perfect dodge is a thinglol. Also hearing footsteps while im sneaking down a licker hallway is infinitely more terrifying than anything nemesis did at all. 3 remake was so boring imo, sry.
If over the shoulder is what they were going for then how Mr. X was handled, and the ambient soundtrack, to a lesser degree, was perfect for this game.
Genuinely not trying to sound contrarian, but nobody ever seems to share my opinion; I find tank controls intuitive and easy to use. There's a certain consistency with them, and they compliment map-memorization perfectly. I know for a fact that tank controls are why I can draw a map of Spencer Mansion from memory and run around it without even looking at the screen most of the time. No matter what, every time I explored the same room a second time, I was using the same inputs. Not to mention, focusing the player's actions on resource management and map memorization made the experience feel a lot... tighter? I dunno how to explain it. Surely someone knows what I'm talking about though?
Fixed cameras + tank controls is one of the most intuitive systems I can think of. It's a match made in heaven imo, and fixed cameras don't work without tank controls. Always hate changing cameras in other full 3D games that don't have tank controls.
The reason why you remember the Spencer mention is because of the fixed camera angles which put emphasis on the environments. The over-the-shoulder set up is way more confusing, but it does work better for combat focused gameplay
Great video. In my opinion you have a great way to talk. You should do more videos like this. Oh and your texture pack is almost perfect (it lacks a few textures). There are still many games that need a texture pack:)
I always believe that the best way to look at a remake is to, not look at it as a remake. It's its own beast, a recreation in a new vision. It may try to be just like the old, it may not. Expecting one or the other is always going to end poorly.
I don't understand why such big budget remakes like this don't just throw in the older game as a bonus, they're such differant experiences and the prior games is so old, I can't see why they would choose not to have extra low effort to make content, they don't even have to make anything.
It's because they already have them individually for sale on storefronts like steam. But yeah, for console players it would have been cool for them to add in the OG. Or at the very least release it just before or a little after the remake came out.
If the constant looming threat of Mr. X were confined to hardcore mode and you had the ability to down him for a while like you did in the original on standard and assisted, that would've made more sense to me.
He doesn't stay down. He only kneels for about 30-45 seconds or so then he's back to chasing you down. It's enough to get ahead, but he never truly leaves you alone until he's scripted to do so by plot progression.
@@MarlonMacielBrando >Mr. X is overused >cites Nemesis as an improvement kek, did you actually play it or did you just listen to your british youtube reviewer tell you he's better?
100% agree with you on the tone, atmosphere and musical score for the umbrella transport, it holds huge memories of my childhood just hearing that eerie score 👌 just shows how perfect for that scene it was.
Another excellent analysis, & while I do agree with some of your points, I do think sometimes "less is more" in relation to the score (or lack-there-of). By not using a score, it feels more "real" in the sense that if you were experiencing what the character in the game was, there would be no score, therefore it makes it feel more "realistic"? (real life doesnt have a score).
Yeah Mr. X was pretty damn annoying. The only argument in Mr. X's favour is that he makes the other enemies more dangerous when he's around due to you needing to move fast. At that point though you'll already have the shotgun/G. Launcher, which can take enemies out quickly anyway. Anytime Mr. X is alone, he's a chump only there to make moving the book cases in the library a damn chore. If you ever run into Mr. X, you either need to take a detour which drags out the travel time, or take a very small health hit (just run at him, he'll throw you to the ground for a extremely tiny amount of damage, then just get up and run at him again. You'll then run right by him).
11:05 - 11:39 Bravo! Bravo! That sums up the OG vs the Remake perfectly. I just don't get that warm feeling in my stomach from RE2R that I did/do with the OG.
I think that the problem with this remake was that they tried way too hard to move some locations and make some situations different from the original and with some they succeeded and with others they didn't, I don't really mind what they did with the soundtrack even though I love the original and I understand they focused more on sound effects. However the main reason I wanted this remake was because of the story, I hoped they would explain some inconsistencies from the original, however remake made it somehow even worse with how they handled the A and B scenarios. RE1 remake basically made me never replay the PS1 version again, because it improved on everything, however even if I really like this RE2 remake, I'm looking forward to replay the original some day
Just for the record. You CAN run out of ammo in the Berkin fights. You got lucky
I ran out a bunch of times my first play through and had to restart lol
Best tactic is to hit multiple limbs with a knife, speed runners do this and it will down him in about 20 seconds
I don’t believe you can. You probably had some grenades or at least there was some ammo to collect in the room during the fight.
The exact same thing happened in my first run, killed him with the last bullet I had after dying twice. Felt like the game was giving me a free pass for effort.
Since the game has adaptive difficulty, you have to be, really, really bad in order to do so.
The only thing that disappointed me in the game was how the stories didn’t connect and affect each other
Yeah Scenario B is almost a copy-paste of A.That's something the original game did much better. Too bad because if they had made a Scenario B a story that happens simultaneously with A (AS IT SHOULD BE) and not a copy-paste of this and improved the zapping system, this game would've been the perfect remake for Re 2, but they hadn't so it's just good, but I still loved this remake so much.
The character's didn't affect each other in RE1 remake either.
@@Programm4r But in the original game (resident evil 2 1998) the stories are connected and affected each other, and the zapping system was and is better, that's why it's dissapointing that capcom has decided to make a copy-paste of scenario A, instead of doing something similar like the original
@@alejandroromero3048 That wouldn't have made it a better game IMO.
@@Programm4r but it could have been interesting
"I guess we 'll have to wait till RE3 to get a fix of Raccoon City"
Nope
@Dominic dominic No, he's right. The City Roaming is pathetically short in RE3Make. It isn't nostalgia. We all want a dreaded Town/Alleyway with zombies and dogs. What we got was a little taste, then a doughnut shop, few loop arounds back to it, then segment after segment of Linear game. That's not to say it wasn't fun, it just wasn't the RE3 that should have been.
The RE3 remake is little more than a dlc for the RE2 remake sadly.
Nope, nope nope.
@Dominic dominic I haven't even played the original RE3 and even then it's still very disappointing compared to the RE2 Remake
imagine an alternate universe where RE3 remake was good. please someone magically send me to that one i am begging
The sound of your own feet in the older games really add to the atmosphere.
bruh have you even played the remake? you hear "the sound of your own feet" as you call it
@Dosoaoao Oaowkwjw he suggested it
@Dosoaoao Oaowkwjw ok then it's a pointless comment
@Dosoaoao Oaowkwjw did I say he can't hear it?
@Dosoaoao Oaowkwjw and i was saying that in re2r you can also hear footsteps
I think the worst thing for me is how Leon and Claire's stories didn't intertwine. I would have absolutely loved going from Leon's perspective to Claire's and seeing what changed or how they affected each others circumstances. (keep in mind that I hadn't played the original) When I heard that the original actually did do exactly that I was even more disappointed. I still love the game though, don't get me wrong
This was my first RE game at all & I have to agree. I'm not too keen on the story side, but it felt especially empty. Like a few random & short run-ins & that's all.
I love that you use the RE1 Dualshock basement theme for the "disappointment" music 😂
This is the best game I’ve played in years and my favorite RE game as of now. But I definitely understand your criticisms.
@Dantes230 Understanding other's point of view is an actual step towards maturity. Shouting your opinion out in the void doesn't help anyone, SON!
@@conorlbest woah slow down with your foot fetish bruh
@Dantes230 Understanding and agreeing are different concepts, "son".
@@conorlbest u fucking disgusting
@@conorlbest LMFAO! Damn...
fun fact: you can stunlock Lickers with knife attacks completely and kill them in like 8 seconds in Hardcore mode.
Remake is trash
@@Night.League woah woah woah calm down there nostalgia glasses should i get you a glass of re 1 with a side of go fuck yourself. No one wants a nostalgia bitch so get the hell outta here fucking nerd.
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@@JokerChany all you normies are alike tbh
Does that work on the other difficult ies to?
While I don't necessarily agree with everything you said, I can respect the fact that you were very open to at least giving the game a chance and you were pretty fair on critiquing the game overall. I definitely agree on the music being a letdown, and the interaction between Claire and Leon was minimal at best. Funnily enough, I remember playing REmake a year or two after it came out for PC and I thought it was very well done, so well done that I was honestly considering holding off on playing Resident Evil 2 until the remake for that happens.
I eventually found a copy for the game on the PS1 for $20 and bought it and played it, I'm glad I did, because in all honesty the difference in tone and art direction between this and REmake 2 is night and day. I implore anyone to at least give the original a try and see how different it compares to it's REmake counterpart and decide for yourself.
Tyler Nugent The original RE2 is stupidly good and aged way better than most games in that generation. It’s good enough to stand toe to toe wit REmake and RE4 even without the new remake.
@@SaberRexZealot Can't argue with you there. Something about the original Resident Evil 2 just feels good to play even after all this time, most games at the time are rather cumbersome to get used to due to their dated design, but somehow Resident Evil 2 felt fun to play even after all these years. Still enjoyed the remake for what it's worth though.
i like remake 2 for its graphics, gore, and increased amount of puzzles and inventory management. i prefer the original overall for story, atmosphere, music and creativity.
@@SaberRexZealot I think the original RE2 was a complete drag and doesn't even come close to REmake or RE4 in any way, I think even 7 and code veronica were better
Anima Fair enough. Very few RE fans like the whole series 😂.
That terminator 2 connection, I totally can see that. I could have sworn RE2 and RE3 were going for the same cinematic feel.
Leon looks so pretty, I wanna give him a kiss.
@@AFPgamer OwO
wtf are you all gay
@@AFPgamer He ain't got much back there though.
Lemonov your gay if you don't wanna tap that
Lemonov i know right hate pepole like this make me puke 🤮
Really should've mentioned that interview with Hirabayashi where he "really wanted to stress that composer working on this title is the composer of the original game, so even if it's 20 years later, this is very much his vision of what the audio should be for RE2".
Samaeru Kuro Wow really? That’s very surprising news. Personally I loved the way the new music was done. It kept the atmosphere in check and ramped up significantly for the more hype moments. I have more issues with its mixing and how drowned out it gets among other sounds. It’s the Blade Runner 2049 thing; the music is not as amazing as the original by itself (Vangelis compared to Zimmer) but it compliments the sequel perfectly.
that wouldn't really change nerrel's point that it isn't what _he_ liked about the original, especially when he already said that he was sure this was the kind of game they wanted to make.
his point wasn't that they'd failed in creating their vision, it was that the remake dropped elements from the original that, in his opinion, not only would have made the experience better but were essential in what made the original the experience that it was
it's a good game but it doesn't remake the atmosphere or tone in the way that nerrel wanted to, which is honestly something that happens a lot when it comes to remakes of this nature
when people have to compromise based on hardware limitations and end up making a game that's Weird in just the right way to find a dedicated audience often times taking those limitations away makes the vision behind the game less appealing, because it was precisely the results of the limitations that enchanted audience members
of course that isn't always the case but what it really comes down to is the creators being able to understand the appeal of their products
though that said, if this soundtrack truly was the original vision for the game, then I don't see why they couldn't have done it first time. it'd be far easier to replace the music files with ambient noise files compared to like, upping lighting effects past what was possible for the hardware
i was just really shocked that one the of the best soundtracks in the series was basically thrown away
Sounds like a George Lucas syndrome.
It does not matter what things might've been meant to be at some point of history, when what we got instead is the highly acclaimed and beloved title everyone knows.
If this no-music + pseudo-dubstep BS was ever even considered (doubt it), then thank fucking god we avoided that bullet in the 90s and early 00s,
It sounds like the composer came back trying to do something contemporary and Hirabayashi was putting words in his mouth. If this was the original vision then that's what he would have done, it was very much possible to do this kind of sound back then.
Cutting out the music and charging people for it was insane. I can't believe they didn't get more shit for this. Removing the marshalling yard with the moon was criminal.
AGREED
I guess I'm a sucker, since I did pay for it.
You can buy it tho
So glad I did buy it. Because my money goes to capcom making better RE games. So yep. Take my money capcom and ill keep buying RE games.
I really enjoyed the game. I knew I was going to like it from playing the demo. So much so I Preordered the $213 collector's edition from gamestop
“wait for RE3 Remake to fix the Racoon city” well we know now. 😔
Well shit, basically laying out every issue that I had with this game. The AB scenarios being as lacking as they were really did bother me, especially with the repeated boss fights. The first time you used the crane? neat. The fourth? Not so neat.
Lmao the first time i was fuckin pissed fucker wouldnt stay still lol, third and fourth time S rank speed run? FURIOUS
That wasn't neat at all IMO. It was by far the weakest boss fight for me. First you had to wait for Birkin to finish finger fucking the ceiling, easily dodging his attacks while checking your watch. Then you had to run past him as he ripped the door open, clipping your respective player models into each other as you do so. THEN you have to run to the crane area in order to actually engage in the enemy.
Has anyone tried overpowering him with a rocket launcher as soon as he rips the door open? I've never tried it.
Disclaimer, I loved RE2R. I managed a 1:01 as Leon after like 20 tries and 1:25 as Claire after giving up on my 15th or so.
This was first RE game, so I really can't talk that much about how it good it is as a remake. But I liked how it didn't have that much of a soundtrack, the 3D noise and just overall silence made it tense and it captured me atmospherically. Though I don't think I would have hated if they added more presence to the original's or new soundtrack
I personally loved it. I thought of it as a reimagining, and capturing the essence of what made the original what it was and blending it very well with modern gaming aesthetics. I do agree about the lack of music, but I had no issues with Mr X. He added some nice suspense to the game and hearing him stomping around the RPD searching for you is a cool touch. I still love the original, but I treat them as two separate games. From the onset this was going for a more serious tone, and despite the 3rd person camera angles they still managed to provide a great survival horror experience.
Agreed. Just got it yesterday and just finished Ada's Section. Loved it.
@@fanteo8692 I'm glad you loved it. Even with 4R just released and as great as it is, I still think 2R is better. Really great
Still a great game even 2023. Aged like wine
I still want to play the ORIGINAL RE2
I think you have an option for the original music in the menu
Rodeen RESODENT EVIL TWHOOO
@@BinaryDood The music is not enough. The rest of what made the original so memorable is missing here.
The problem with this remake its that dont replace the original as the re 1 remake did , i dont you know you think, but after playing re 1 remake i no longer want to play the original from 1996 anymore.
download RE seamless HD project, best way to play it today
I thought the remake had no music, or at least I didn't remember him having LoL
If you play the directors cut/special edition it has the original soundtrack.
Things I agreed with:
1. A and B scenarios sucked
2. Music was disappointing
Things I disagree with:
1. Pretty much everything else.
Why?
Creepy Old Man I'd only agree on the A & B scenarios. I personally prefer silence with ambient sounds over BGM music when playing horror, it just drives the game closer to reality for me. With the exception of Mr. X's theme, i don’t think I will ever NOT have a panic attack if I hear it at any random interval in my life.
Agreed, specially MR.X, sure he can get very annoying at times but it gets the job done on providing tension and
uncertainty for the player, something that the original one didn't do at all. OG Mr.X wasn't even scary or well designed, He didn't took much punishment to K.O and his AI was very bad, to the point leaving and re-entering the room he appeared in made him go away until his next scripted apperance In which you could do the same making him practically absent for the rest of the game. There's a reason why before the RE2 remake everyone remebered Nemesis and no one bothered with Mr.X
I agree with those 2 points partly each, the B scenarios werent very different to the A side and the lack of music was somewhat disappointing. However they werent entirely bad as i saw them being mainly introduced for your second playthrough of the game, so you play Claire A or Leon A and then move onto the other characters B side. Music though I think was well done but could have used a few more scores into the mix to bring the game to life like its older counterpart.
Agree they where the same except sherry n ada.my only complaint ughh I wish they were more diff
Hell yeah your videos are so quality. Glad to see you're uploading more stuff decently frequently
Hopefully the PC version gets a mod that adds the OST back in
Probably not gonna happen since it already exists as $1 DLC.
@@Devixicus forgot about the dlc.
@@DrWiley-fm3ik Maybe there will be someone who truly remasters the music and makes it a mod? I'm sure it would be taken down quickly but hey, at least it'd be made for a bit
@@TheLegendOfLame as someone else pointed out there's already a DLC for the OST. There's no incentive for someone to risk making a soundtrack mod now.
@@DrWiley-fm3ik I realise theres a DLC for the OST, but I said remastered. I play with the OST dlc myself. My point is the OST doesn't fit with the remake. What I said was for someone to remake the music with a modern feel, much like the remake does, but actually make it louder, and not just ambience..
Obviously a little late on this but with regards to Mr. X, his AI does actually walk around the Police Station in real time while the character explores/runs away. The way he seems to just pop up can be incredibly disconcerting, but that's the entire point of his character right? I think it's pretty cool that they took the care and time to make sure he actually didn't just teleport around.
I'm not sure if that's entirely right. If I remeber correctly he does kind of ends up teleporting around due to him not really being able to walk normally in the not loaded parts of the map, so he does sorta end up being closer to you always even when he shouldn't be. They did try to make it like a realistic AI and perhaps one day when the entirety of the place will be able to be loaded this could be realized as intended, though I still think they did a good job on him :> he definitely was terrifying to me, made me run around like an idiot in the beggining just going nope nope stay away :'D
@@nelav1354 Yea you're right, but even in instances where the map is'nt loaded he still moves through that same 3D space while he jerks forward which is pretty cool. During special scenes like the helicopter reveal he does teleport around but hey it's still a game right? 3D space and animation have come a long way idk what we'll be capable of in 20 years
He literally only teleports for a few scripted events. Love when content creators spread misinformation
@@DS3Enjoyerhe didn't spread misinformation. Mr. X does teleport to you at times. What's considered a 'scripted' event in RE2 remake for Mr. X isn't always clear.
re4 fixed camera remake when?
man you woke af
Do you mean RE1, 2, and 3's fixed camera angles?
ThatOneGuyYouSaw i just want a PC port with working mouse aiming
Resi 3.5
Pretty sure there is a mod for it to include a fixed camera
This is a balanced review, and highlights the misgivings I have about this remake. Graphics are great, zombies are excellently designed and a threat once again after their bizarre treatment in RE6, character models are very good, Birkin is wonderfully creepy and unpredictable, there's a lot that's good and it's no doubt more easy to play as OTS - and yet it lacks the magic of the original game. The cinematic style and perfectly-judged music made it special, and the impact of Mr X was much greater for being kept 'til later in the playthroughs. Another issue is that the game seems to keep borrowing bits from other games - puzzles from one RE, the engine from another, so to me it lacks identity. What made RE4 so phenomenal was its conviction in doing something that was then brand new, which games like RE2 Remake lack.
4 was a trashy parody game. Not even a horror game, just a parody of a RE game. Of course 4 fanboys would hate anything other than 4.
@@TheAnhphuong92 this game is as close to 4 as any of the series got afterward so both of you are kind of dumb for having the opinions you do
@@whenallelsfails21 I feel like village is a closer game to 4 now. It has a similar setting, pacing, and even story. The gameplay is a similar balance too- despite being from a different perspective. Re2 is much more puzzle/backtracking based than 4 or Village (or pretty much any of the newer games from the looks of things), and despite being OTS- doesn’t place much emphasis on action.
@@filmaticpictures9693 re4 gave you more tools during combat. Things like shooting projectiles out of the air and triggering the melee with headshots made re4 combat super engaging and have high skill players something to do. Re village leans too much on a lame block mechanic and the combat is just too limited to be fun. It tries to be re4 but it is extremely shallow. I'd rather just have it be a third person tank control game.
@@TheAnhphuong92lol
Two counterpoints, both about Mr. X:
1. I thought he was handled perfectly. I never found him threatening or scary in the OG, but rather an annoying ‘get hit once then run’ machine that made repeat playthroughs even more annoying, but now, he’s persistent and relentless, but also readable and avoidable. He makes your initial enemy-clearing meaningful and potentially deadly. He’s an enemy completely woven into player-choice and level design just as Crimsons were to REmake 1.
2. His approach and his battle themes are my favorites in the new score.
Definitely agree. In my playthrough, he definitely never seemed too overbearing. Luring him away kept him away for quite some time and didn't interfere with any puzzles or exploration for me.
Same. I’ve given it 3 Hardcore runs so far and it never felt like he ruined my experience. Curious to see how speedrunners avoid him though. I don’t doubt there’s some issues with him that arise the higher the challenge.
singular on1 ‘Flow maker, not flow breaker’ is incredible wording. Right when the precinct starts to stagnate, he introduces a hard current you then have to deal with. And in horror, that works so well.
Looking back in the original RE2. He was never threatening or scary. Once you leave the room , he is gone. New RE2 He can go anywhere with nothing holding him back.
"His approach and his battle themes are my favorites in the new score"
They should be, considering most of the new score is completely forgettable
love your work, you seem to have an eye and an ear for everything that really matters in video games, old and new. If the games industry collectively adopted your values i wouldn't worry so much.
Nerrel makes the best RE content, because he's not just funny, he's right.
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I was disappointed by the soundtrack big time. Some of the themes, like when Mr. X is after you or the lab escape definitely felt intense, but the overall lack of bg music was disappointing. The original soundtrack really added to the ambience and that feeling of hopelessness imo. Silence can work well at times, but it gets old when that's 99% of the game. Hearing the familiar chimes in the remade save theme, or when you first enter the RPD was a nice touch, but as you said, they play for only a couple seconds, overall feeling like a waste.
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Only great OST when you fight Super Tyrant
Glad to see a critical look at this game. Most people are just willing to throw perfect scores at it without mentioning things like the lack of enemy variety or how pointless the 4 scenarios feel this time around. With that said, I think REmake 2 has great level design, pacing and flow. How do you feel about the new sewers and labs in terms of layout and puzzles?
Well I’m sure the perfect scores aren’t for nothing. I don’t like the mainstream review outlets personally, I rely on smaller youtubers as more often than not they are a better critical look. I don’t like the last two scenario’s story wise, but gameplay wise I think it’s very good! The only complaints other than that are that the spiders were removed, Bowgun was removed, the story doesn’t make sense in a lot of parts, Ada’s “death” is the old one that didn’t make much sense. And while I don’t mind at all that the new music score is more atmospheric than anything, I don’t like how the save room theme almost never plays once you have your first/second save room unlocked for the first time. That’s one of the best parts about RE game’s. Even 7 did that!
If I had to give a rating though it’d be a 9.0-9.5. It has a couple smaller issues (besides the story bits) but I think it’s the best remake of a game ever made besides REmake 1.
It seems that people have really low standards because of RE being pure action for so long.
Personally, I am satsified with REmake 2, but it could have been so much more. And imo, REmake 2 cant hold a candle to REmake 1. Not because of the new camera or anything like that, but because the developers had to REMOVE stuff instead of fixing it. The spiders for example. I'm mildly arachnophobic, so I was REALLY looking forward to see how fucking creepy these things would look. Too bad they had to remove the spiders for whatever reason. The marshalling yard would be another example. Why remove one of the most iconic locations in the original game like that? Why not expand and improve it? You know, like REmake1 did. REmake 1 didn't have to remove anything. It kept everything from the original and made stuff even better.
@@D-Nova Agreed. The Ivy monsters being crappy plant zombies instead was also pathetic. Here you had a monster that had 3 different attacks at different ranges replaced by a zombie with a basic grab attack. They can't even inflict poison. Not only that but both scenarios in the original had purely exclusive bosses. REmake2 straight out has you repeat the same 3 Birkin fights.
I wish these people would hold it up to the standards as a game made over 20 years ago by a team half the new team's size with a smaller budget made in less then 2 years but they likely won't. They're just happy to pay more and settle for less.
@@D-Nova You're absolutely right. I've been saying this for a while now, that people have such low standards at this point that this game is seen as a masterpiece. I can't understand why people claim RE2 Remake is the new standard for remakes, REmake is still that for sure. Only things that make sense to me are A. people have been so desperate for RE2 in some form that they're blinded by hype, B. a bunch of fans that only ever cared about the shooting-focused titles wanna elevate THEIR version of RE2, or C. people really don't care any more for the finer qualities of video games and just want more pretty point and shooty.
That being said, REmake and RE4 are my favorite titles in the series for very different reasons, and very few of those reasons are found in RE2 Remake. The gunplay of RE4 is supplemented by the risk-reward of getting close for a melee attack with a swarm of enemies in range. It's nowhere near scary and I'm not saying it's hard, but I'd consider it a fun and challenging gameplay loop. RE 2 Remake just has zombies that might loose limbs, but with the bullet sponging it's not fun and there's as much incentive to fight enemies as classic RE, which doesn't mesh with point and shooty. On the other end of things, REmake is a well put together horror experience with a sense of personality. RE2 Remake just looks like so many other third-person shooters with zombie-esque enemies where a super serious drama story are so important that it feels bland and less than the original. Even if they didn't intend for it to be cheesy as we see it now, it had more life.
I think fixed cameras are incredibly overhated, regardless the remake is still pretty good despite some changes to the story, and characters.
Fixed camera angles weren't a limitation of the time when you had third person games like Tomb Raider and Ocarina of Time. It was purposely used because the devs could use it to allow what the players could and could not see at any moment, to create tension. Like an enemy just off screen, where you can hear its sounds and you wonder what it is. Same for the tank controls, it was to create tension through gameplay.
So people calling it "outdated" or a "limitation of the time" don't understand that these were deliberate.
@@okagron they just ripped off everything from Alone in the dark... including fixed cameras...
furthermore fixed camera was used in Re1 remake and Zero in 2002, moving camera was already being used in Code Veronica with 3D environments so they didnt have to use fixed camera in 2002. They used it because it still worked and was effective. Poor sales of those games were not due to fixed camera, poor sales were due to the Nintendo Exclusive the series had at that time. Even RE4 sold bad on Gamecube before it was ported.
I miss the fixed cameras, but I'm glad we got what we got because it is pretty good but I consider this game it's own thing it doesn't seem to me like a true remake or reimagining, it's just kind of there in it's own right.
@@okagron Something can be deliberate & bad at the same time though.
Tank Controls aren't as amazing as enthusiast like to think.
If tank controls are so incredibly rewarding, complex & precise, more games would use that method to this day.
tank controls are clunky.
Fuck this obsession with trying to create immersion by removing music really, every fucking game does that now. It was tense when Thief was doing but now that it became the norm the mood created by doing this has became so samey and devoid of personality in almost every recent game that does this.
I don't think this is inherently bad, some moments in the Remake work pretty well when there's no music at all but when 80% of the experience is like this it just doesn't work, silence should be used to highlight tension by using it sparingly.
God damn Nerrel what a time to post an video
I feel like the worst changes were those that involved the story.
They cut so many things and changed so much that contextualized or gave weight to what was happening.
I feel like they cared more about making faithful RE4 gameplay than making a faithful RE2 remake.
There's nothing cut to the story....
i agree with everything you said except for Mr.X ,for me i didn’t find him that annoying.
Yeah Ashley from re4 was more annoying. And the zombies themselves got on my nerves
You just have to run for your life with Mr. X. He's just there to stalk.
I think without Mr. X the RPD sections would get pretty boring and stale and wouldn't have much tension.
How can someone who says Mr X is annoying has the right to call himself an RE expert or compare the classic with the remake?
Mr X is annoying if the player just stupidly runs away from him as fast as posibble while shoot everything stands in their way which would only allow Mr X to know exactly where you are.
Those who think X is annoying are those who sucks at real survivor horror.
@@TheAnhphuong92 it’s not about being good at the game or being expert on survival horror games, it’s about the quite moments to let you sink into the atmosphere of the game, for the suspenseful and action moments there always should be room for breathing, like save rooms, but in locations that you slove puzzle’s, i personally enjoyed the chess puzzle in RE2 remake, with a great soundtrack playing in the background, Mr.X was great in this game but it didn’t reward you for fighting him…
I came across your vids and upon seeing the first one I couldn't help the thought from crossing my mind that went to the tune of....'Is that you, God?'
Not to be overdramatic about liking content or anything.
I believe modders confirmed Mr x doesn't teleport into the area you're in.
Alligator was fan service as that is a silly fight.
I 100% agree about the route b scenario is bull.
Where I'm lost is how kind of boring atmosphere is a critique? A follow-up is needed as it feels your former review in October of the previous year is being justified.
I think the lack of music adds a level of uneasiness throughout, not to mention with the sound echo when you add headphones.
I agree the lack adequate music score is the most lacking. Also the story could of used more work.
I agree with some of his critiques (like the B scenario stuff and some of the cut content), but others don't make much sense to me.
I don't understand how someone could think Tyrant's reimagining was disappointing. It was legitimately the most stressful part of the RPD on my first couple playthroughs. It was perfectly timed, too; just as I was getting used to dealing with the zombies and lickers, suddenly there's a guy chasing me around the whole damn police station, forcing me to speed up around lickers or slow down around zombies. Hearing his footsteps nearby was the most nerve-wracking experience.
I didn't mind the lack of music all that much, because there's a shit-ton of ambient noise that's obviously there to fuck with your head. You'll hear a distant zombie moan, or half a dog bark, a piece of metal hit the floor, etc, and you're never quite sure if it's just the ambient noise or something around the next corner. Music doesn't work as well because of how quickly you can move through areas once you're familiar with them and because there are no more door-open loading scenes to make a smooth transition. This is a big part of the reason I don't play with the retro music -- the transitions are too quick and frequent. Also, his claim that the save room music goes away after the first time you've heard it is simply incorrect.
Robert Cortes Personally, I could care less about the soundtrack, I like it quiet with ambient sounds (I like it to mirror reality as closely as possible and I’m sure I’m not humming a song in my head rather than listening for the ambient noises like Mr. X's footsteps or Licker's claws on the wall). The criticism that the score doesn’t stick with me kinda is lost when a bunch of games with "awe-inspiring" scores also don’t stick with me because I’m not listening for it or, in RE2's case, I’m too busy panicking to stop and take in a score.
His criticism on Mr. X also somewhat irked me. His becoming a stalker character didn’t ruin him for me, it makes him so much more terrifying. I liked how, once he was introduced, the game forced you to completely rethink your strategy on puzzle solving and trying figure out new ways to maneuver around the station while also avoiding the Trenchcoat Thanos.
Finally, the atmosphere argument I agree was lacking. I thought it was amazingly creepy and eerie and I loved the moments with dark hallways with only the flashlight. Maybe my tastes for horror (and gaming in general) have drastically changed since I first played RE2, but I honestly liked the reimagining a tad bit better.
As someone who stopped playing this series altogether after 5 since I didn't like 4 or 5 (and it seems like 6 was an even bigger joke), this was the PERFECT use of over-the-shoulder. Everything felt tactical and every move we had to do was intentional. You complain that Mr. X was an 'inconvenience' but in my view he is part of what made the game work so well. The zombies are actually threatening, but once you know how to deal with them they're no big deal. The lickers are hard to fight but if you sneak past it's fine... but if Mr. X is following you persistently then dealing with them suddenly becomes a huge ordeal. You complained about him following you during the "move the bookshelves" segment and how you had to distract him elsewhere, but that's the entire point! The game forces you to make decisions and be tactical.
Also you said you couldn't focus on Marvin because of Mr. X but in playthrough 1 Marvin dies before Mr. X starts stalking you, so I don't understand that. Also as for Mr. X 'teleporting' that only happens during scripted sequences like breaking through the wall or the prison escape segment, etc. Otherwise he's always persistent in the world and in real places.
About the last parragraph, not really. It didn't happened to me, but I have seen video on TH-cam where he clearly teleport from one place to another. Seem like this isn't common, but still happens under certain circunstances.
456 7 wasnt good,i well get remake 3.i wont buy 8 ether
you are right, also MR X is atracted by the shots you fire, HOW COOL AND REALISTIC IS THAT!
i don't think they will ever create the RE8
@@jameswolf3302 they well,i wont buy it
I'm going to be real....I don't remember a single music track from the game outside of Hunk and Tofu.
I was really hoping for more callbacks to Re2 but they tend to miss those opportunities. I got to the library and I noticed that there wasn't any music to it.
Mr.X got annoying when I got lost
The original got so much potential... What a waste !
Excellent analysis as always. I really like how you ended the video; reminding us as viewers that this is all your opinion, then suggesting what people might think based on their play style or view point, then of course... 8/10 Twerking Tingles. I'm also very impressed with how quickly you were able to put this up, especially having just posted another video 4 days ago. Thank you for your content.
what number would you give this game?
Criticising the critic himself,way to go.
Mr.X was easily my favorite part of the game honestly.
X gonna give it to ya
Same. I never tired of his constant interruptions. It significantly ramped up the tension and gave the R.P.D. a completely new feel after you’d already explored it. I understand the complaint about his interruptions breaking the flow of gameplay, and the fact that at least a third of the game is dedicated to avoiding him, but I thought it was refreshing as hell, personally. Makes me seriously wander how the fuck they can do Nemesis considering all of the running and mutating.
Same, but more because of the memes and less because of gameplay.
singular on1 Nerrel wasn’t putting “the flow of the game” above “being scared,” cause it was pretty obvious he wasn’t scared.
For most players, when a really simplistic and very not well done mechanic like X is so easy to avoid that you know exactly what to do when he comes around (ie, just go lure him somewhere else, come back to where you were) he ceases to be a character/enemy and just becomes, like Nerrel said, a nuisance.
Predictability isn’t scary. It becomes a flowchart, not horror based reactionism. X stops being scary when you understand him, and if you found him scary throughout the whole third of the game that’s dedicated to him, you likely never internalized that or really understood him. He’s just frustrating to deal with.
@@IanZWhite00 Nah I got the gist of him pretty early on, but I never felt he lost his ability to be an obstacle regardless of predictability. Even after thoroughly understanding how to avoid his ai, I always felt as if what I was doing could easily be interrupted by a legitimate threat. I think what separates him from most stalker enemies (which I tend to hate in horror games as well) is that the player always has a legitimate agency in avoiding/stunning him. To me it's very similar to the choices you make every time you decide what limbs to shoot off of a zombie; there is no correct answer, but instead there are many (often hard) choices that the player is forced into picking from. I never felt as if I was simply just running in a straight line from hello neighbor, but instead I felt as though he was just another element to induce panic-based decisions in regards to resource and health management. Furthermore, I have to agree that his appearance in the Ada Wong segments absolutely lack tension due to the absence of any real decision making (those segments more so are literally just walking in a straight line away from the guy). Horror an tension are extremely subjective however, and I can absolutely understand how that certain perspective would cause him to be a complete annoyance.
Watching this makes me wanna play the original re 2 again
Me too.
@Dantes230 lol, triggered by someones OPINION, grow up and accept a game can be flawed
@@mrshamf3484 Even the original is flawed. He says here that the Alligator scene was like RE6, and to be fair it WAS... however, even in the original game the real way to beat the alligator was by pushing down a gas tank and then shooting it ONCE. I get that maybe people didn't figure that out on their first run through, but if you knew about it, that took all of the tension out of that part of the game. No game is perfect. I honestly thought this guy was going to give a lower rating than an 8 out of 10 due to his complaints. I don't agree with everything he said but he has some valid points.
@@TheJokesterSCR yeah i've come to that conclusion, both games are majorley overhyped, don't get me wrong the originals great and the new ones alright but they are getting a lot more love than deserved
@@mrshamf3484 more love than deserved? Where were you in 1998? The original game was groundbreaking, it got as much praise as it deserved
I think what hurts me most is the existence of this game means no RE2 remake made in the way that I wanted (in the same vein as RE1 remake). At least not for another 20 years or something.
Luckily the original still exists in all its glory, and you can play it right now.
@@TogetherLemon Yes, and I've played it to death to this day. I wanted something that eclipses the original in every way, not removing stuff, but adding. While keeping the same gameplay style and personality.
I love your videos so much man. You talk about all these topics in ways I’ve never even thought of. I’ve never played Resident Evil but the way you talk about the originals makes me want to try them some day. Keep it man!
I was absolutely loving the game by the time I finished the first scenario with Leon. I was looking forward so much to playing the second scenario with Claire, and then replaying the game with the inverted scenarios for each character. Then I realized there really was no such thing as a second scenario and the story was completely killed by all the contradictions I saw while playing Claire's scenario B. I still really like the game, but I don't feel like replaying it at all anymore...
I was kinda in the same boat, played leon A then claire B. Thought the "true" ending was great(never played original re2). Then completed s rank claire A on standard and hardcore, for the infinite pistol and smg. Its really worth it id say for the cutscenes and dialogue alone as Claire A and Leon B.
That's how it was designed - Quick, consumable junk to tide you over till RE3 Remake comes out next year.
I personally never even played through all 4 scenarios in the original. Even playing Leon A and Clair B had SOME continuity issues back then. Yeah, it's a little worse now. But... I feel like I got my moneys worth even just with Leon A in the remake. The rest was just a bonus.
Thank god for the classic soundtrack option.
Great video as always, Nerrel.
I will say that mr x was pretty well used. He apeared enought to spice things up but not to the point of ruining the experience, because part of the appeal was to explore and find things. He worked very well when you knew he was looking for you but didnt know where he is. Because you could hear his footsteps and the suspense of suddenly seeing him was great. But as more time passes the cracks start showing and he becomes an obstacle(and not very threatening at that).
no
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You basically articulated everything I struggle to communicate to people when talking about this stuff. Great work, and I really appreciate you taking the time and effort to do this. I'm glad you care about this stuff, as I can't seem to find anyone else that really does to the same extent.
I remember just getting into Resident Evil when this game was announced. I’d beaten 7 and 4, which made me excited to see another game with Leon coming out. I actually went to a thrift store and bought a copy of Resident Evil 2 on the PS1 like half a year before the release of the remake in January of 2019. Because of that, I had a really interesting experience playing both essentially one after the other. I love the RE2 remake, it’s one that I go back to frequently. I also love the original PS1 title, both managed to scare me multiple times which I wasn’t expecting from either. I thought that the PS4 title would’ve been action oriented similar to Resi4, and that the original would’ve been too dated. Because of these expectations, I had a great time with both. Though Mr X or Tyrant was extremely annoying after my initial playthrough of the PS4 version.
Shooting zombies' individual limbs off is like Dead Space on Earth... which was Resident Evil in space...
Lol nice. Wish they'd bring back Dead Space.
It truely is, i have not been this invested and experienced so much joy from a horror game since dead space 2.
"Resident evil 2's atmosphere was created by dramatic angles, great art direction, and a really powerful soundtrack. And that's why it's held up so well in spite of looking so pixelated and blocky. The things the atmosphere was based on don't really age." I'm kind of speechless. That's incredibly well said.
You're analysis and writing are superb. I find myself wanting to re-watch your videos before I've even finished them.
Your sentiments pretty much echo my own although I didn't hate Mr. X as much. He was easy to elude but became annoying when I had to do the gears puzzle in the clock tower and had to keep going in and out of the room until he spawned from somewhere that wasn't in my path. His initial reveal is underwhelming compared to the original and he's easily eluded because the roof area isn't blocked off after his arrival either. On a 2nd scenario things also got silly because I simply ran laps around the station using the outdoor stairwell whenever he blocked my progress on that end of the building.
The Ada section would have been fine were it not bogged down by the hacking mechanic. It just makes the whole thing tedious instead of difficult. After two tries I did it without any weapons and got the achievement since the enemy and hacking placements are always the same. Sherry's segment was good until I realized it's just the second VHS tape from RE7. While they at least were smart enough to randomize the block puzzle this time, the rest of the segment is too heavily scripted to have any real replay value. The croc also has none since he attacks from the same directions every time. In the original you could at least choose to fight him as an optional boss to challenge yourself, and doing so even rewarded you with items in the A scenario. The devs were even considerate enough to put a typewriter just outside his room for those who chose to fight him head on.
The return of the zapping system was so baffling to me because prior to release, Capcom claimed they were forgoing it in favor of two more distinct campaigns. Something I was actually on board for. But instead we just get two scenarios that overlap even more than the original did. Every boss in a first or second scenario in the original is unique but here every boss is the same except for the last one and the extra boss in the second half is of course the same regardless of which character you're using.
All in all I'm glad I just bought this game used because the experience was underwhelming at best. I'd give it a 6/10 personally. It's not just that the game isn't fixed cam, it's that it's also OTS, a play style that is incredibly bog standard at this point. After playing RE4-6, Rev 1-2, TLOU, TEW1-2, GOW, Uncharted, The Order 1886 and The Final Season of the Walking Dead I'm really tired of it. Until Dawn felt like a breath of fresh air and understood the advantage to using fixed cam for a horror game. The devs for it were even pleased with the sales despite their numbers which to me says they had reasonable expectations for it unlike most other companies these days. I don't think I'll even bother with TLOU2 or Days Gone. I only gave this reimagining the time of day because it's an RE game, and even then I still didn't support it.
At least the original OST is DLC.
I turned it on and never looked back...and I dont even have any serious nostalgic ties to the original.
One thing I do wish they would've done is include the original as an extra, due to how different they are.
@singular on1 To better explain, I have casually dabbled with RE2 since it got a release on the PS3 PSN, plus prior experience with Resident Evil DS did paint the picture of how atmospheric the games are than downright scary. That much I can see without getting too far into it (I got stuck on a puzzle that was removed in the remake in the RCPD).
So even without those tracks etched into my mind, I knew it felt horribly lacking with no OST. OST is also often half the game to me, so after like 40 minutes I popped it on and have no regrets.
Glad its there, but it should have been free.
Redblaze27 same here man
Thanks for this Nerrel, I've found myself being genuinely excited when seeing new uploads from you more than any of my other subscriptions. There's something oddly no-nonsense about your voice that makes your jests particularly punchy and I fucking love it.
It's called deadpan delivery, or dry humor.
Best and most comprehensive re2 review I’ve seen. Well done.
You do such high quality videos, this channel should've 100x more subs!
We get to get such humorous and yet deep review of the game.
Keep up the good work!
This video is some real quality stuff really I actually enjoy seeing you in my sub feed...keep it up
Thank you for your fair and honest review!
The over-reliance on darkness and that fucking flashlight combined with the over the shoulder camera was actually headache inducing. If it was first person, you would be able to spot doors on the left or right as you walk down a corridor, but when it's third person and you can only see the 30% of the screen illuminated by the flashlight, you cannot see any doors without constantly swinging the light from side to side as you go. It also doesn't help that apparently every single surface in the police station has been polished to a mirror sheen, so simply pointing the flashlight at a wall is enough to blind you to whatever is actually there.
Excellent video, you're really impressing me with your high quality releases.
Man you keep getting better and better at your editing, commentary and comedian timing. Also your video is much more informative than a lot of reviews out there which, when taking into account the time between the release of the game and your review, is impressive. Keep up the excellent work!
I paid 50$ for the original PS1 copy of RE2 (without the manual) and played through it 5 times in a row.
I’m sorta glad this game didn’t replace the original
Agreed. Everyone acts like Mr. X is some kind of clever innovation but I think he's a nuisance. But in fairness he can occasionally be scary.
Nerrel, kudos for posting two fantastic videos in only four days.
And your little mash-up skit segments are only getting better. Keep 'em coming!
Glad someone said it. Ambient noise and flashlights are every bit as tired and lame as static cameras and tank controls used to be.
Endless Jess Good to see you here
Endless Jess “used to be”? what, is fixed camera suddenly not bad now?
I really don't get the complaint about the flashlight. It has been done the best possible way. It doesn't run out of battery and your character equips it automatically. It makes sense that half the areas in the police station are in the dark, and even then there are small lightsources, its not pitch-black like Doom 3. It felt like a pretty seamless and natural implementation to me.
@@MotobugGaming "Tired and lame" to be specific. It's less about any inherent flaws in the system and more about how when everything is doing it, it feels pretty tiresome. It's been long enough since tank controls and static cameras were the norm that people mostly revisit the best games with them and can appreciate the positives. When something is common enough, the negatives become more and more obvious.
@@Devixicus What are the positives in tank controls again? I forgot. please remind me.
I love the RE2 remake mostly because it's an actual survival horror and did the combat and exploration and puzzle solving very good...but in the long run, yeah I agree about the game's "value" not being on par with the original RE2.
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Ah fuck, another year another time to rewatch all of Nerrel’s video starting with this one
The supposed 'lack' of music in this game is perfect. When it's there you notice it and it adds to the dead atmosphere.
I’m someone who got all the achievements in the Re2 remake and love it but still I agree with everything you said. I wish the original game became obsolete by the remake but it didn’t :(
There's a very simple concept at work here regarding the shortcomings of this game's atmosphere vs. the original: Attention = tension The PS1 game had detailed pre-rendered backgrounds which were mostly very color-saturated, contrasty, and well-lit. This, combined with the fixed camera angles, meant that every area commanded the player's full attention. When your brain is fixated on absorbing all the little details of the area, the colors, the lighting, the camera angle, etc, it creates a sense of immersion. Attention = tension. When all the environments are visually similar (i.e. dark, desaturated, and viewed from the same over the shoulder perspective) it means that the player's attention is no longer on each area - no longer on the painting-like setting, the bright colors juxtaposed with the lingering possibility of violence or a jump scare, but only on the zone of vision immediately in front of the third-person character view. No attention, no tension.
I've never even aged the original and the song when you first walk into RPD is still stuck in my head. Thats just how Capcom usually does music. Well, used to be.
I agree with the music. The production would’ve been the least expensive part and capcom could’ve easily have hired a music producer/composer to replay it with more realistic modern sounds. Could’ve been incredible
Can't agree more with this...
I disagree with you about mr x. He appears at the perfect time; when enemies are becoming easier, and you know exactly what to do for puzzles. He turns the game from a standard ressy survival horror to a alien isolation style survival game with a lumbering, terrifying mutant stalking you and patrolling the facility. He hears your sprinting, gunshots, and walks almost as fast as your running speed. HOWEVER, I do hate him in the Ada section as well as the second play through, because playing through the entire game with him is really frustrating.
Very high quality and honest but fair. I think I'll start looking to your channels for reviews and info a lot more often before a purchase.
I only found out after my first playthrough that if you avoid running all the time (or shooting), Mr. X doesn't follow you that much. He chases you all the time if he can hear you.
Knowing that made my second playthrough significantly less stressful.
What are you talking about? How does Mr. X appearing frequently ruin the game? If anything, it improves on the original game. Sure in certain sections, he can be cheap. But that's the game doing it's job. This is Survival Horror at it's best. Trying to conserve ammo while running from that threat that you can't kill.
"Running from a threat you can't kill" stops being scary and starts becoming routine if the game overuses it. After a dozen or so times, I felt no fear at all when leading Mr. X down a hall to get him away from me.
@@Nerrel in the Majora's mask video you said that Nintendo listens to fans complaints and tends to overcorrect as a result. If Capcom listened to all of the old re fans complaints and over corrected this game would probably turn out poorly or take no risks. Games have to evolve and I am really glad they went the directory they did with this game and I started out with the og RE
@@Nerrel just because it stopped being scary for you doesn't mean it was that way for everyone else. Or do you expect me to believe that Mr x in og re 2 was scarier.
Whitson Baez it was more survival in the og because X was a obstacle you could manuver, meaning you could trade blows to stop him following you and pick up ammo from his body for your troubles, while remake X is a wall in progress that you figure out your method and the various times he comes back, you repeat, over and over
You say I won't remember the library music, and yet the sound of those swaying chandeliers were in my head all yesterday.
That PS1 RE2 ending theme still rules.
I got the classic soundtrack bonus thank god...I just wanted to hear the lab escape alarm ost again after so many years lol
I don't like the trend of soundtracks being "in the background" instead of being memorable, timeless pieces. The re2 original soundtrack did it right and I'll never understand why they ignored it for the remake.
Maybe it's just me, but I find the justification of the bgm being barely noticeable is lazy. It results in a soundtrack that nobody remembers, because it barely supports the gameplay.
I loved everything about this remake except mr. X and the music . I think they did it a disservice by not letting you stop him like the original. The whole notion you could stop him made him a beatable threat. It also made it to where when he appeared it was effective and spooky because your first playthrough you didn't know when he'd appear and often it could be inconvenient but not to the pain in the ass like he is in the remake.
You can stop him by shooting him in the head a few times but he can get a up a minute later
See I find him a lot scarier now, whereas before he was easier to avoid and deal with.
The music I agree with. I use the classic soundtrack.
@@nickyd8049 That's true but it's a waste of resources and because they're so scarce in this version, there's no real reason to fight him. Whereas before he would basically be beaten for that area and when you left he was gone. You didn't have to worry about him showing up in the middle of a puzzle or something that needed your attention.
he was pathetic in the first one, here he's at least a threat.
@@ScrapMetalHead It's called tension. They knew he would be this unstoppable killing machine and that in itself is a puzzle. Luring him away to where you need to go and then walking back in hopes you have a few moments left is part of the experience.
Like you said, it's a waste of resources to try and kill him because he was meant to be something different from modern games. This isn't supposed to be an experience where you get rewarded for killing something; your only reward is not dying and that was always part of the Resident Evil experience (before 4 came around at least)
I agree with all you said, it captures nearly half of the beauty of the original, and it's still a damn good game.
This elevates the original even more to me
you are totaly right about the atmosphere, thats why the first thing i did when i entered the RPD and didnt listened the original song, was to buy the original soundtrack, and after that, BAM, there is the atmosphere the game needed!
Weird, around 10:00 when you cut to terminator footage I was on my porch and Linda Hamilton walked by with her dog. She lives close to me but never see her on this side of the neighborhood.
Wait what?
SIMP
"and good god, don't fuck Nemesis up like this"
Oh yeah, I can't wait for the RE3 video
Weird enough he liked it
@@thespinelizard4444 and sadly it’s way too easy to take him down unlike the Original
@@thespinelizard4444 how tf did he like nemisis but not x? hes literally just a recurring bossfight and an uninspired one at that. Dude adds zero tension at any point, especially when perfect dodge is a thinglol. Also hearing footsteps while im sneaking down a licker hallway is infinitely more terrifying than anything nemesis did at all. 3 remake was so boring imo, sry.
You rank it 8/10 but your soul through the whole review tells me you really wanted to give it just 7 twerking Tingles out of 10.
I agree with you about the music. I always turn on the original sound track when playing.
If over the shoulder is what they were going for then how Mr. X was handled, and the ambient soundtrack, to a lesser degree, was perfect for this game.
Genuinely not trying to sound contrarian, but nobody ever seems to share my opinion; I find tank controls intuitive and easy to use. There's a certain consistency with them, and they compliment map-memorization perfectly. I know for a fact that tank controls are why I can draw a map of Spencer Mansion from memory and run around it without even looking at the screen most of the time. No matter what, every time I explored the same room a second time, I was using the same inputs. Not to mention, focusing the player's actions on resource management and map memorization made the experience feel a lot... tighter? I dunno how to explain it. Surely someone knows what I'm talking about though?
I agree on the tank controls, but I'm glad they didn't go with fixed camera. Re4 did it best regarding that with tank OTS
I agree with you and so many others that prefers the original game or at least they dont find this remake as great
Fixed cameras + tank controls is one of the most intuitive systems I can think of. It's a match made in heaven imo, and fixed cameras don't work without tank controls. Always hate changing cameras in other full 3D games that don't have tank controls.
The reason why you remember the Spencer mention is because of the fixed camera angles which put emphasis on the environments. The over-the-shoulder set up is way more confusing, but it does work better for combat focused gameplay
Great video. In my opinion you have a great way to talk. You should do more videos like this. Oh and your texture pack is almost perfect (it lacks a few textures). There are still many games that need a texture pack:)
I always believe that the best way to look at a remake is to, not look at it as a remake. It's its own beast, a recreation in a new vision. It may try to be just like the old, it may not. Expecting one or the other is always going to end poorly.
I don't understand why such big budget remakes like this don't just throw in the older game as a bonus, they're such differant experiences and the prior games is so old, I can't see why they would choose not to have extra low effort to make content, they don't even have to make anything.
It's because they already have them individually for sale on storefronts like steam. But yeah, for console players it would have been cool for them to add in the OG. Or at the very least release it just before or a little after the remake came out.
Why did I never think of that? And yeah, that should basically be the standard honestly.
If the constant looming threat of Mr. X were confined to hardcore mode and you had the ability to down him for a while like you did in the original on standard and assisted, that would've made more sense to me.
You can down him in the remake
He doesn't stay down. He only kneels for about 30-45 seconds or so then he's back to chasing you down. It's enough to get ahead, but he never truly leaves you alone until he's scripted to do so by plot progression.
yeah, putting him down should give you at least 20 minutes of freedom or something...
@singular on1 The problem people have with mr. X is that he is overused. Think about it. Also, compare him in this remake with Nemesis in RE3.
@@MarlonMacielBrando >Mr. X is overused
>cites Nemesis as an improvement
kek, did you actually play it or did you just listen to your british youtube reviewer tell you he's better?
100% agree with you on the tone, atmosphere and musical score for the umbrella transport, it holds huge memories of my childhood just hearing that eerie score 👌 just shows how perfect for that scene it was.
Another excellent analysis, & while I do agree with some of your points, I do think sometimes "less is more" in relation to the score (or lack-there-of). By not using a score, it feels more "real" in the sense that if you were experiencing what the character in the game was, there would be no score, therefore it makes it feel more "realistic"? (real life doesnt have a score).
Yeah Mr. X was pretty damn annoying. The only argument in Mr. X's favour is that he makes the other enemies more dangerous when he's around due to you needing to move fast. At that point though you'll already have the shotgun/G. Launcher, which can take enemies out quickly anyway.
Anytime Mr. X is alone, he's a chump only there to make moving the book cases in the library a damn chore. If you ever run into Mr. X, you either need to take a detour which drags out the travel time, or take a very small health hit (just run at him, he'll throw you to the ground for a extremely tiny amount of damage, then just get up and run at him again. You'll then run right by him).
You're basically complaining that you're playing on a low difficulty.
11:05 - 11:39 Bravo! Bravo! That sums up the OG vs the Remake perfectly. I just don't get that warm feeling in my stomach from RE2R that I did/do with the OG.
Bought the original ost after realizing I literally couldn’t remember a single song from my numerous playthroughs, so true.
Man I hope the timely release of this video will get you a shit ton of new subscribers. You deserve it!
I think that the problem with this remake was that they tried way too hard to move some locations and make some situations different from the original and with some they succeeded and with others they didn't, I don't really mind what they did with the soundtrack even though I love the original and I understand they focused more on sound effects.
However the main reason I wanted this remake was because of the story, I hoped they would explain some inconsistencies from the original, however remake made it somehow even worse with how they handled the A and B scenarios.
RE1 remake basically made me never replay the PS1 version again, because it improved on everything, however even if I really like this RE2 remake, I'm looking forward to replay the original some day