All S&W has to do is release a 2.0 model like they did with all their M&P & Shield guns with problems fixed, send review units to the usual gun tubers, and it'll sell itself.
@@jeremypike9153nothing DA/SA exists in this size range except the sig p224, which is out of production and costs about $1000 on the used market. A lot of people expected this firearm to be DA/SA because the original “Chief’s Special” line (hence the name CSX) was DA/SA.
I just don't think the whole "trigger reset" thing is as big a deal as everyone imagines. But it does give people a sense of superiority when they talk about it.
It is a huge issue. It forces you to train an entirely different and inefficient way of pulling a trigger. It will surely fuck up your normal trigger pull with all other guns if you get too used to bad trigger pulls.
The Jason Bournes of gun channels have to hate it. Their bond is tighter than the Clintons and Obamas. You are not allowed to like your CSX because some gun guru aka Jason Bourne Mr.Tactical says the trigger is just oh so awful. Meanwhile it shoots fine.
@@JTheraos It's really not a big deal for MOST people. If you train for precision shooting instead of self defense with this gun you are using the wrong tool for the wrong purpose. In an emergency situation you won't be riding the trigger back to reset. It's actually a nice gun when you consider the ergos, the capacity, the sights and what exactly it was designed for. No, it's not perfect but the amount of crap from youtube experts comparing it to a 1911 or CZ shadow 2 trigger is just ridiculous.
@@earlytimzwhy wouldn’t you compare it to a 1911? This gun fills the same niche the 1911 fills, but it’s smaller and arguably not as nice to shoot. Why would I pick this over a 1911(in terms of shootability) or a MP Shield2.0(in terms of size)? That was the question TH-camrs wanted to answer. Compared to 1911, the trigger pull is heavier and it requires you to fully release the trigger to reset. So it doesn’t beat a 1911 on that metric. And it’s the same size as a MP Shield 2.0, so it’s not beating that gun on size.
I love my CSX and carry it all the time. I prefer hammer fired, steel guns. I would have preferred a DA/SA/decocker, but all in all I really like this gun! Very ergonomic, lightweight, low recoil, accurate, reliable and concealable. I have not experienced any trigger issues. I carry OWB in a 1791 leather holster.
I actually acquired two CSX’ at outstanding prices mostly due to poor YT reviews. They’ve performed admirably, carry and conceal exceedingly well and goes to show you can’t believe what some folks say.
Why does everyone listen to these people? There are like 10 channels that people think they make the rules. Go shoot the gun. See how you like it. Don’t walk away and join the bandwagon of saying “well I was really wanting one, but one of the TH-cam Gun Prophets said the trigger was not heavenly and the gun is just awful.” Don’t buy in to these dudes crap. It is a fine concealed single action pistol that works fine.
It has a few visual 1911 features. It’s NOTHING like a 1911 in function. It doesn’t have a crisp straight back trigger, it has a kind of alright hinged trigger dressed up to look like a 1911 trigger. It doesn’t have the ergonomic and positive thumb safety that a 1911 does either. It doesn’t shoot like a small 1911. S&W could have made a good poor man’s Wilson EDC X9, but they screwed up
I love mine. Sootch did a video about his edc gear and he’s carrying the csx, he did say that he had a gunsmith to modify the trigger and now no reset issues. The copy I have has no issues and shoots perfectly. I have read that the trigger improves after break in. I think the csx was such a contender for the micro carry market that crapping all over it would help kill its sales.
A friend of mine did the same thing and I really liked his CSX at the range. His trigger showed no signs of a false reset, no clue what the gunsmith did...
Mine was fine. This gun ain’t for everyone. Get a 365 and feel good. Oh unless it’s one of the first ones produced and enjoy the rust and poor trigger.
I do, refuse to buy it for this, or the sig 2022, or think it was the taurus 709 slim (something like that). seems like every decade we get blessed with another design that will get you killed.
This was one of the few new “micros” I was interested in on release. But the title tells the whole story, everyone complained about the trigger reset like it was going to be used as a open competition gun. Then I handled one months later at a shop and the trigger was perfectly acceptable for a carry gun. Only reason I didn’t pick it up was because I figured S&W would be introducing a Performance Center or optic ready version. But I think it’s obvious by now that the guntubers scared people away and this S&W probably shelved any future iterations. Some even called it a boomer pistol….meanwhile double stack 1911s (2011s) are the hot item right now…..
I actually bought one for my girlfriend when they first came out, I'm considering keeping it for myself, trigger snobs killed this awesome gun that S&W took a chance on
@@takumisato7126it has a false reset which is unsafe in a way. Yes you can train around it, but it's not being a trigger snob. I love glock triggers, but guns with false resets are problematic. It can still be a great gun, but nobody can deny that the trigger is bad.
@@JTheraos actually a lot of people can deny it, and if you read the comments, they have. I don't think it's a bad trigger. It's not a 1911 trigger, but they have been working on them for well over a century. The initial gripe that I heard was it's a 1911, but doesn't have as good a trigger. Ok the first was false and the second can still be true. So what. It's not unsafe that's just silly. So what you are saying is that you are at a disadvantage in a gunfight because you are waiting for an audible click or tactile feel in your trigger finger and your opponent is just blasting. Silly. If you prefer it for a competition setting or accuracy and you believe it helps, fine, but for a CC gun in a self defense scenario you have got to realize how much this is a non factor.
I don't think the slide design would allow for an optics cut on this, unfortunately. if they tried, it would probably be just about sitting on top of the slide, like the Beretta RDO models.
Why would you need optics on a micro gun. They are designed for concement, up close engagement. I doubt you will even use sights in a engagement. much less optics.
I agree with you. Internet reviews were generally negative. Bought one early last year and love it! That trigger (4.5lb single action) allows for larger pistol type accuracy and the grip softens the small pistol recoil. That reset that everyone complained about measures 3.5 mm on mine. No complaints from this kid!
I didn't pay attention to the internet reviews and went out and bought one. I am certainly glad I did! After firing it with no issues, it's size and a 12+1 capacity, it quickly made it's way to my #1 edc handgun. The trigger is great and I do not have any re-set issues. It just feels great in my hands and the concealability with the CSX is an A++. Thanks for giving it a fair shake!
365 is certainly better for the general public. I would certainly never give the CSX to new gun owners or people who are overly anxious and might not be thinking about the controls in a high stress situation
@@usernamesrlamo people are forgetting one important thing. That why you go to the range and train. No matter what gun you have you still have to hit the range because that gun might not be for you.
@@usernamesrlamo It's funny no one has a problem with the safety selector on an AR15 but put one on a pistol in almost the exact same spot and OMG people will never figure it out.
One of the reasons people want a 1911 type platform is because of the 1911 trigger. S&W gave us a 1911esque platform with a Glockesque trigger (dingus and all). That’s where they missed the mark. If they reworked the trigger and made it a true 1911 trigger the things would fly off the shelves.
But even companies that give us sort-of 1911 triggers, as in the Colt Mustang, SIG P938, Springfield 911, etc., insist on the pull weight being in the 5-7 pound range, essentially ruining the expected advantage of a single action trigger.
Update it to accept Shield mags (no stupid spacer), "fix" the trigger, make it DA/SA with decocker = what MANY people have been waiting for from a manufacturer! ❤
@@kenhoward3512 Yeah, like maybe a 17 round version. Make it compatible with a red dot and add a light rail. Maybe a compensated barrel too. Then it will be perfect. A big bonus is if it would take glock mags as well.
@@JTheraos shill? The internet is the Wild west of hate. If you like a handgun you are now a shill. Sorry the false reset which is null was upsetting the Jason Bournes which like here there are no shortage of.
I really like my CSX. When I was deciding I tried the 365, the Hellcat and several others and they were all really snappy. Because of the weight of the CSX it was a lot easier to keep it on target. It is also a really well built gun that is reliable. The faux trigger was not a big deal because I don’t shoot to reset. Yes, they can fix it and the sleeve but overall it is a really quality well built gun.
I ignored all the bad reviews, and bought it on launch. Never had reliability. I experienced the reset problem, but there are ways around it, mainly train with, and properly lubricate it. It is my summer time EDC. I liked it a whole lot more the my P365.
@@meteorhawk06 Yea I did not remember. Thanks. Not been a big fan of most S&W stuff except their classic revolvers since now I inherited a few. I do like this CSX, I may pick one up. Double stack tiny carry appears to be a good option.
Nor should it. It wouldn’t be as small or have as good of capacity for its size anymore. It wouldn’t make any sense to do that. As for a gun like the S&W equalizer, it does share magazines with the shield. Because in that case it actually makes sense and has no downsides.
If they were worried about the gun release tanking they should have lowered the price for a couple of months, like everyone else does. I was willing to take a chance on it, but I never saw one below 500.
Rebates don't count. Too many ways for them not to pay out or never get your submission. Been screwed over by them before, especially when I order and pay online. @@puzer1
I actually bought this out of impulse because i was looking for something to carry while running. It still shoots nice and straight even after a sweaty workout.
I had one. Paid $350 for it used in like new condition. Sights were off elevation wise and aftermarket sights of different heights were not available. Trigger was not impressive. Internals are MIM so it is a little sloppy. Got rid of it and went back to my LW commander in 45.
Love this gun. Can't believe so many people are against it. I've never been a SA kind of person when it come to CCW, but after hearing endlessly bad things about it, I got to shoot one myself and I loved it. I really hope it gets a chance in the future. Just because it didn't do good initially doesn't mean it has to continue to not do good. I hope they do a couple upgrades and re-release it.
You will get a lot of that in the gun community. "Oh, I don't like this trigger guard". They are used to 4 pounds triggers and get a 5 pound one: "Oh, this trigger is so heavy, hurts my little fingers." When it comes to guns, gun guys can be so spoiled. There are countries who won revolutions with homemade slam fire shotguns
But when S&W offers a gun with a better trigger for less money (Shield) why get this one? At a certain point it isnt even about the trigger but simply getting a worse product for more money. The CSX trigger doesnt need to be perfect but it needs to be at least as good as any other average single action pistol because that's basically its only distinctive feature. If its trigger is as mushy and shitty as a bottom tier striker trigger there's just no reason for its existence.
I love my CSX. Mine did have a false reset but after a couple hundred rounds and a week or so of daily dry fire it's disappeared. Even though it's smaller and lighter than the Shield Plus I find it much more pleasant to shoot. The recoil doesn't feel nearly as strong, likely because I can get my pinky on the grip even with the 10 round magazine. My buddy had to buy a pinky extension for his Shield Plus to remedy that issue. I haven't shot it with the extension, but without it his gun felt like it wanted nothing more than to jump right out of my hands. I can pocket carry the CSX in the right pants or make it comfortably disappear IWB even in a t-shirt and sweats. I tend to shoot it even more accurately than my full size Beretta 92X at about 7 yards. It's a lovely little gun.
I carry it every day. It is very accurate. I was a big fan of the P238 and P938 and was excited to see an increase in capacity. I can put it in my pocket and go. It's great. As far as the trigger bump, it should be fixed. But honestly if you ever have to use this gun it will be 5 rounds as fast as possible. The trigger issue has no effect on that situation. But I would love it more if they put out an aftermarket trigger fix. Also my trigger has thousands of rounds through it and it is 4lb 3 oz. For pocket carry it's great.
I have the sig 938 and now the Kimber equivalent. The 938 was great until the day the trigger broke and that was after 1 round fired of many before it...but yea...1 bang then nothing...so now its going to just be a range gun. I sent it back it was fixed but yea...no confidence in it anymore.
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 Yes unfortunately... at least it broke at the range and NOT when I Needed it to go bang. The trigger if I am recalling right is on a pin and the trigger itself broke. So there was the 1 bang, no reset, No way to fire it again. I think its made of like cast aluminum...Maybe it was a very rare case. Even though its been repaired/replaced Id have to get a new trigger myself and install it if I wanted to be carrying it again. OH well that is why I got the kimber version. Although the extended sig mags do not fit...
I love mine, I love hammer fired pistols, it functions perfectly and feels like it was made for your hand, the trigger doesn't bother me whatsoever and I own a CZ Shadow 2, but it isn't made for competition it's made to carry and not go off when you draw it, you only notice the false reset if your very carefully and slowly using the trigger, if you pull this out of your pocket and shoot fast you'll never even know about the false reset.
I was a day 1 buyer and wanted to love this gun. Mine unfortunately came with a broken safety lever right out of the box, and getting SW customer service to fix it was so bad it turned me off their brand forever, and I owned 7 smith and wessons at the time. I fought them for months and eventually they did fix it for free, and I did carry it (even had Nameless Armanent cut it for a dot) but eventually the lack of support and bad customer service convinced me to just carry a 43x. Do I still like the CSX? Sure. But I think Smith did as much to kill it as influencers did.
Amen brother, I love my CSX but with the total lack of support and gutless S&W response to the internet shills It just may be the last thing I buy from S&W. How long did it take them to figure out that the magazine loading problem was a result of their own assembly people not installing the mag. spring into the follower correctly. And that just a little polishing of the stamped trigger parts improves smoothness greatly. Oh, and that annoying rubber spacer on the twelve round Mags, well I fixed mine months ago. It no longer slides up and down the mag body, it does't go anywhere. And guess what, I can still disassemble my mags to clean them without having to move or do a thing to the spacer. And a forteen round Mag. would really nice! And last but not least the big trigger problem that S&W said never existed. I understand that they have come out with a new improved firing pin safty plunger that is made of harder smoother material that greatly improves the trigger reset feel. But I have not heard of them sending any of those out to the loyal customers who actually purchased a CSX, or even making it known that it was available! I totally agree with @rory9537, the S&W CSX is fine little firearm and that S&W with their lack of support have no one to blame but themselves for its lackluster sales record. Unfortunely, it is their customers who are the big losers here!!!
I got one when they first come out in fact its my daily carry its been 100% reliable and I shoot it great, not snappy to shoot its a very underrated gun in my opinion, wish the aftermarket would do a few accessories for it.
DA triggers suck though… you can always drop the mag and rack the slide to eject the one in the chamber before dropping the hammer… the slide can be manipulated with the safety on.
@@Noble.1 I shoot everything, including revolvers. Double action doesn't bother me. Having a gun with a hammer that can't shoot double action does however. They just don't make semiautomatic SA/DA anymore.
@@Noble.1 🤣😂No it's not that. I prefer a long deliberate first trigger pull. All my pistols, except my M&P Shield have this action. It gives me confidence that I won't squeeze a round off in the wrong place in the heat of the moment.
Of course none of the trigger snob critics would ever bother to RTFM. On page 24: "After firing a shot, you must allow the trigger to move fully forward to reset the mechanism before you can fire the next shot. Failure to let the trigger move fully forward will prevent the lockwork from cycling and will prevent you from being able to fire the next shot." If you don't like the trigger, you're entitled to your opinion. But the so-called "false reset" is not a flaw. IMHO this is a good little handgun.
I’m a big fan of my CSX. It shoots great for its size and weight. The trigger, after getting broken in, is very nice. A little heavier than a typical single action trigger, but very crisp and and easy to work with. Great, short reset. Only thing I don’t love is the manual safety: it works great and is easy to flip down and up, but that’s just a personal preference.
I don’t like guns that small. I prefer a greater than 3.5” barrel for 9mm. It seems difficult to get an expanding hollow point to expand unless the gun can get the 9mm projectile to 1100 ish. Put a 4” barrel and (3) twelve round magazines in a kit and I would go look at one.
True, but then you don't have a grip safety to worry about hitting just right. That's why I won't buy an EZ. They have to have one or the other to make it drop safe.
Had one as my EDC for a while. Liked it but it definitely needs a Gen 2. The trigger and safety lever need a bit more thought. Aside from the reset issues which were overblown, it’s mushy. The ambi safety lever on a gun this size can run up against the trigger finger. If they just make changes there, the CSX would be unbeatable as a subcompact “2011” for the price.
No, internet did not kill the gun but S&W did. 10r magazine is 11 minus 1 round magazine (why?!). It has zero texture on sides of grip with 2nd backstrap (why?!), even with large backstrap there is not very much of texture on sides. It is SAO gun with manual trigger and thumb safety, so trigger doesn´t have to be shitty heavy. Magazine sleeve on 12r magazine. I think the gun was designed by unexperienced team within S&W and there is the result.
Bought my CSX a few weeks ago. I only have two small cons about the gun first is yes the trigger, about 20% of the time I can feel the false reset, but not that big of a deal, secondly is the safety, no decocker. As for the magazine spacer, I used some superglue, guess what, now it’s fixed. Overall I like 👍 it.
@@johnrobinson1328 The decocker would be there so you can forget to flip the safety AND forget to cock your hammer to *really* hand out those Darwin awards to those who cannot walk & chew gum at the same time.
A rep at Scheels showed it to me after I gave him my criteria (which effectively amounted to what this gun is; I was looking at a P938). I had never heard of it before, and I *loved* it. The trigger reset complaint seems ridiculous - probably overstated by reviewers who handle new guns all the time and don't have time to learn the platform. Not relevant to people who will carry and train with it for months and years (much like bullpup complaints).
Glad you got one for yourself. Most people are sheep. You can pretty much say "don't buy this" and 99.99% of them would listen. It don't even matter if they have a legitimate reason or not. Just look at the LCP models (and the Kel Tecs). Their triggers are absolutely terrible compared to the CSX, but they're extremely popular handguns.
I saw the whole point of this gun being the single action hammer fired system that should lend itself to having a great trigger. I was interested. I heard it did not have an amazing trigger and my interest quickly faded. I saw one at Cabela’s the other day. I again passed it over without much interest. To be fair, I am a trigger snob.
@@HollyrockFarm Yeah, I get why some people like Single Action triggers on their weapons, but I've just never been one of those people. I think a DA system (without a safety) is the best for self defense, but I like striker fired and some DAO systems also. I'm not really against SAO systems like some people or having manual safeties. I just don't prefer them.
@@deucedeuce1572 I was a striker guy but with most of them going to the pre-cocked then the even more pre-cocked model for nice triggers, they’re really flirting with being SAO without a manual safety. That makes me nervous to carry them appendix. I started carrying a CZ 75 P-01 Omega with a Cajun Gun Works trigger upgrade…butter. Then I moved to the CZ Custom A01-C…DA/SA and smooth as silk. We live in a great time for firearms. We can have preferences and for the most part, find what we prefer.
@@HollyrockFarm No doubt. Can't complain with all the options. There's something for everyone. Yeah, I love the P320 triggers (for example)... but they're such a short, light trigger that I'm not sure if I'd ever want to carry one. I know they'll never just go off in the holster without the trigger being pulled, but I'd prefer a Glock trigger or at-least a G3C type trigger over something so short and light, like an SA trigger with no safety.
I own this gun and its my EDC. I love this guns small frame, good capacity and its a great shooter. I've never had any malfunction with this gun. I've carried guns with horrible triggers and this one is not bad. You train with your firearm, learn your firearm, get to know the gun your going to carry to protect your family and you.
The GunTubers didn’t kill the release, S&W did it on their own. False reset, cheap mag spacer, and front strap falling off can’t be blamed on reviewers. That’s solely on S&W. I tried it out in the gun store about two months ago. The false reset would get me killed because I train to ride the trigger to reset. I can’t risk being in the moment and fooled by the false reset. They had a great idea. Now they need a Gen 2… with a whole QA/QC team
Riding the reset is silly and a skill issue. Can cause malfunctions in several guns and is slower than just moving your finger forward and back to the wall.
Making a trash gun is a skill issue. Defending a trash gun is silly. They made a single action 1911 style gun with the one feature people love about that type of gun being trash. Their own striker fired concealed carry gun has a better trigger.
S&W doomed this model themselves. All they had to do was clean up the few issues of the existing DA/SA (3rd gen?) CS9, but they made a bizarre mess of a Glock mashed with a 1911 in attempt to ride conflicting waves of popularity..
The biggest complaint that I'd seen/heard about the CSX is more about the customer service of S&W, when you do have problems, like the numerous issues that were had with the early release models of the M&P 12, the trigger issue you mentioned for the CSX, some of their recent revolvers...just quality control issues, in general. I had thought it had to do with them moving semi-auto production to a new facility, because of Massachusetts state assembly bill banning the manufacture of semi-auto firearms in their state. But then they started having issues with revolver springs, etc. Most likely, just some substandard parts, from third party manufacturers, that made it into S&W's production lines. The "gun community" is pretty funny with how eager they are to hammer on new stuff, declaring it useless trash, before it's even made it through a few months on the market. A good, recent, instance of this is the new Walther PD380. Walther "fans" have been begging for an update to the PPS, and when Walther started teasing a new pistol was coming, those fans were certain that Walther had listened and the new PPS was coming...then they announced the PD380, and every went ape shit "who the hell asked for that?", "Gee, thanks, Walther...a gun no one wanted."
I learned years ago the hard way not to buy until a gun has been on the market for at least 6 months. Bought a SIG Mosquito when it first came out, still makes me mad that SIG didn't fix them.
This gun definitely isn’t my cup of tea but I’ve always maintained it seems like a phenomenal gun for the right kind of person. Now.. make the csx DA/SA and I’ll buy it tomorrow. Bad reviews or not.
I love my CSX. My trigger is fine. Just like any other gun you have to practice with it. You should check out the aluminum pinky extensions made by NDZ Performance. Looks great and I can get a full grip now. Made a big difference for me.
I feel this gun was nowhere near as bad ass people said. My gun didnt have the false reset at all and after 1000 rounds its still flawless ! ITS A GREAT GUN i recommend that everyone gets one if they can afford it ! I have a ton of experience with guns and have several but this csx stays on my hip I trust it with my life and keeping my family safe......Whats weird is I find myself carrying it over my glock 19 and thats saying alot !
Here’s the problem. The only reason to want an SAO, hammer fired pistol is the trigger. If the trigger is the same or worse than a striker fired pistol, why bother? Then there’s the fact that there is no RDS compatible version AND it holds 1 less round than the Shield+ extended mag, not to mention the newer 15 rounders. The aluminum frame is just not enough of a benefit to offset the negatives. Next time they need to make a 19/2011 style trigger and make a slide cut for an RDS.
People were really mad that a microcompact didn't have a 0.5 lb match grade trigger, optics cut, threaded barrel, and cowitness sights. It's intended to be a svelt carry piece that packs 12+1 in a very small package - If i want bells and whistles i'll go fullsize
More like it just isnt better in any way than the other similar sized gun S&W makes already (the Shield) that has some of those things while also being cheaper. Being single action isn't any kind of benefit to the CSX in this case because its trigger feels like any other crappy striker trigger. So why not get the cheaper gun that has a nice striker trigger and more features?
@@MGMan37 the shield is dimensionally larger than the CSX to the point of it not being in consideration for carrying for me, and the csx holds more rounds
Thanks for the great video. I think one problem this gun has is people trying to make it something it isn’t. It’s for up close defensive shooting and it does that well
I bought one and love it. Flat shooting, good short trigger with no issues with the false reset. in fact I had try try really hard to find it. The so called expert reviews are full it!
I bought one of these on sale a few months ago and I can’t say enough good things about this gun!! It’s a great shooter, a great conceal carry pistol and feels great in the hand. Recoil is soft for a micro 9mm and it is very accurate. Everyone sleeps on this gun, either cause they don’t know about it or seemed to be scared away by the TH-cam videos making a big deal out of none exist problems in my opinion ( i.e. false reset and lack of a rail for attachments). All of my Air Force shooting buddies all are shocked when they hold it because they’ve never seen or heard of one. They love the gun from the second they hold it to the end of the range trip. I can’t say enough good things about this small, metal hammer fired pistol!
I'm not not convinced the internet ruined it, I think introducing a gun like this with no rail and a trigger that both had a false reset issue and was unnecessarily heavy ruined it. Not because it's a bad gun, it's not, but because, once again, S&W released a gun that had problems and it couldn't compete with all the other guns in that "micro 9" category. Ironically S&W's other options, like the Shield, were far more desirable. Being "1911-ish" wasn't enough to compete with the P365, Hellcat, MC9 etc. It was never going to compete with all the other guns out there and let's be 100% honest here, there are FAR more video reviews of this gun that are positive overall than negative. It's the responsibility of the reviewer to give the pros and cons, which they did. The funky reset problem should never have made it to the production phase, the lack of a rail was a big mistake and the unnecessarily heavy trigger was a mind boggling mistake. A new micro 9 is never going to impress the masses with the issues this gun had in the category it was trying to compete in.
The false reset feel on mine was caused by the trigger bar where it rolls off sear. I cleaned it up with a fine file and polished it (the trigger bar, not the sear). The false reset went away. I also cut two coils off the firing pin safety plunger. You would have to remove the rear sight to get access to it, but it makes a huge difference in the trigger pull weight.
I do wish they had just made it 13 rounds. The 1/8th inch extension is pointless. The gun shoots extremely well for its size. Lots of concussion but the recoil seems less than a P365 in my hands.
I held one of these in the gun store and found it comfortable. Then I tried the trigger and it was mushy and uncertain. No reason why a hammer fired pistol should have a crappy trigger. So I didn't buy it. I didn't watch a single video until months later and found other folks discovered the same thing I did and chose other better options!
Companies can be so stubborn. They could've saved the release by taking the advice... maybe even meet halfway. Go with a 2011 style trigger that is 6 lbs or so. Let people send it back for the work for a small charge.
People complain about the false reset as if it will get you killed, I don’t know who’s going to ride the reset in a actual defense or even offensive situation, but I doubt anyone truly pays attention to resets in real shooting situations. It’s also just a training issue, if you get used to the CSX you’re not gonna have a problem with it. I love mine & carry it everywhere, I suppose the only complaint I have is that trigger safety. I’ve never liked safeties built into triggers it feels counterintuitive to the purpose of the firearm, especially when you have a side mounted thumb safety & internal drop safety
I handled it at the show. The slide is butter smooth, the handle is comfy, but… the trigger is horrendous!!! If you make a single action only gun, make the trigger single action 1911 good! This one ain’t.
So, I saw those videos before I did my own review. I never once had an issue with the trigger reset. I really liked the gun, just wished the trigger was a tad lighter. I couldn't shoot it quite as good as I would normally with other micro 9's, and I attributed that to the heavier trigger on my example. But in the hands of a regular shooter friend of mine who usually sucks with pistols compared to me, he was drilling 50 yard shots with it and loved it! I was dumbfounded to say the least. Just goes to show everybody is different and not every gun is for every person. Best way to find out is go to one of the ranges that rents what they sell and try it for yourself first...
All S&W has to do is release a 2.0 model like they did with all their M&P & Shield guns with problems fixed, send review units to the usual gun tubers, and it'll sell itself.
And make it a SA/DA action.
@@felixluck9379it's supposed to mimick a 1911. Has to be SA only.
It could be cooler looking too. Kinda boring for a quasi 1911.
@felixluck9379 the reason I bought one was for the single action trigger. If you want a sa/da gun sig sells a few in this size range.
@@jeremypike9153nothing DA/SA exists in this size range except the sig p224, which is out of production and costs about $1000 on the used market.
A lot of people expected this firearm to be DA/SA because the original “Chief’s Special” line (hence the name CSX) was DA/SA.
I just don't think the whole "trigger reset" thing is as big a deal as everyone imagines. But it does give people a sense of superiority when they talk about it.
I grew up learning mostly on double action revolvers. Even with a Glock I still practice a full trigger release rather than riding a reset
It is a huge issue. It forces you to train an entirely different and inefficient way of pulling a trigger. It will surely fuck up your normal trigger pull with all other guns if you get too used to bad trigger pulls.
The Jason Bournes of gun channels have to hate it. Their bond is tighter than the Clintons and Obamas. You are not allowed to like your CSX because some gun guru aka Jason Bourne Mr.Tactical says the trigger is just oh so awful. Meanwhile it shoots fine.
@@JTheraos It's really not a big deal for MOST people. If you train for precision shooting instead of self defense with this gun you are using the wrong tool for the wrong purpose. In an emergency situation you won't be riding the trigger back to reset. It's actually a nice gun when you consider the ergos, the capacity, the sights and what exactly it was designed for. No, it's not perfect but the amount of crap from youtube experts comparing it to a 1911 or CZ shadow 2 trigger is just ridiculous.
@@earlytimzwhy wouldn’t you compare it to a 1911? This gun fills the same niche the 1911 fills, but it’s smaller and arguably not as nice to shoot. Why would I pick this over a 1911(in terms of shootability) or a MP Shield2.0(in terms of size)? That was the question TH-camrs wanted to answer.
Compared to 1911, the trigger pull is heavier and it requires you to fully release the trigger to reset. So it doesn’t beat a 1911 on that metric. And it’s the same size as a MP Shield 2.0, so it’s not beating that gun on size.
I love my CSX and carry it all the time. I prefer hammer fired, steel guns. I would have preferred a DA/SA/decocker, but all in all I really like this gun! Very ergonomic, lightweight, low recoil, accurate, reliable and concealable. I have not experienced any trigger issues. I carry OWB in a 1791 leather holster.
If it was da/sa I would've bought it asap
I actually acquired two CSX’ at outstanding prices mostly due to poor YT reviews. They’ve performed admirably, carry and conceal exceedingly well and goes to show you can’t believe what some folks say.
Why does everyone listen to these people? There are like 10 channels that people think they make the rules. Go shoot the gun. See how you like it. Don’t walk away and join the bandwagon of saying “well I was really wanting one, but one of the TH-cam Gun Prophets said the trigger was not heavenly and the gun is just awful.” Don’t buy in to these dudes crap. It is a fine concealed single action pistol that works fine.
@@kebotrans Too many youtube experts out there!
@@kebotransNot buying a gun for a bad trigger is a beta move
@@iCookCrystalMethbuying a Glock
Because that's what others carry is also a beta move...
@@iCookCrystalMethwhat is not buying a gun because a TH-cam video said it has a bad trigger?
It's an amazing ergonomic 100 percent reliable piece. C'mon it's a double stack 1911 FINALLY with an ambi slide stop!
Yessir, it really is! Well said. It’s a great handgun!
It's 1911 LIKE. Absolutely not a 1911.
@@JTheraos Very true! And that's one reason I really like it!
It has a few visual 1911 features. It’s NOTHING like a 1911 in function. It doesn’t have a crisp straight back trigger, it has a kind of alright hinged trigger dressed up to look like a 1911 trigger. It doesn’t have the ergonomic and positive thumb safety that a 1911 does either. It doesn’t shoot like a small 1911.
S&W could have made a good poor man’s Wilson EDC X9, but they screwed up
double stack 1911s have been around since 1993
I love mine. Sootch did a video about his edc gear and he’s carrying the csx, he did say that he had a gunsmith to modify the trigger and now no reset issues. The copy I have has no issues and shoots perfectly. I have read that the trigger improves after break in. I think the csx was such a contender for the micro carry market that crapping all over it would help kill its sales.
A friend of mine did the same thing and I really liked his CSX at the range. His trigger showed no signs of a false reset, no clue what the gunsmith did...
There's Not a gun sootch doesn't like
It is a gun that comes broken and you have to fix it. then it is a nice gun.
Mine was fine. This gun ain’t for everyone. Get a 365 and feel good. Oh unless it’s one of the first ones produced and enjoy the rust and poor trigger.
Mine got better with time and I don't even notice it now.
It's funny how almost nobody has bashed the "false reset" on the Ruger LCR for the past 15 years!
Well said man, well said! Respect
With a revolver, you expect to release the trigger all the way.
Because we weren’t using ruger anyway 😅
If you know how to shoot you know how to shoot, if you can't adapt to what a firearm does, you don't know how to shoot.@@kenhoward3512
I do, refuse to buy it for this, or the sig 2022, or think it was the taurus 709 slim (something like that). seems like every decade we get blessed with another design that will get you killed.
This was one of the few new “micros” I was interested in on release. But the title tells the whole story, everyone complained about the trigger reset like it was going to be used as a open competition gun. Then I handled one months later at a shop and the trigger was perfectly acceptable for a carry gun. Only reason I didn’t pick it up was because I figured S&W would be introducing a Performance Center or optic ready version. But I think it’s obvious by now that the guntubers scared people away and this S&W probably shelved any future iterations. Some even called it a boomer pistol….meanwhile double stack 1911s (2011s) are the hot item right now…..
I actually bought one for my girlfriend when they first came out, I'm considering keeping it for myself, trigger snobs killed this awesome gun that S&W took a chance on
@@takumisato7126it has a false reset which is unsafe in a way. Yes you can train around it, but it's not being a trigger snob. I love glock triggers, but guns with false resets are problematic. It can still be a great gun, but nobody can deny that the trigger is bad.
@@JTheraos actually a lot of people can deny it, and if you read the comments, they have. I don't think it's a bad trigger. It's not a 1911 trigger, but they have been working on them for well over a century. The initial gripe that I heard was it's a 1911, but doesn't have as good a trigger. Ok the first was false and the second can still be true. So what. It's not unsafe that's just silly. So what you are saying is that you are at a disadvantage in a gunfight because you are waiting for an audible click or tactile feel in your trigger finger and your opponent is just blasting. Silly. If you prefer it for a competition setting or accuracy and you believe it helps, fine, but for a CC gun in a self defense scenario you have got to realize how much this is a non factor.
I don't think the slide design would allow for an optics cut on this, unfortunately. if they tried, it would probably be just about sitting on top of the slide, like the Beretta RDO models.
Why would you need optics on a micro gun. They are designed for concement, up close engagement. I doubt you will even use sights in a engagement. much less optics.
I agree with you. Internet reviews were generally negative. Bought one early last year and love it! That trigger (4.5lb single action) allows for larger pistol type accuracy and the grip softens the small pistol recoil. That reset that everyone complained about measures 3.5 mm on mine. No complaints from this kid!
I didn't pay attention to the internet reviews and went out and bought one. I am certainly glad I did! After firing it with no issues, it's size and a 12+1 capacity, it quickly made it's way to my #1 edc handgun. The trigger is great and I do not have any re-set issues. It just feels great in my hands and the concealability with the CSX is an A++. Thanks for giving it a fair shake!
People are sleeping on this gun
@@davemorris4118 nah, P365 is a better alternative.
365 is certainly better for the general public. I would certainly never give the CSX to new gun owners or people who are overly anxious and might not be thinking about the controls in a high stress situation
@@usernamesrlamo people are forgetting one important thing. That why you go to the range and train. No matter what gun you have you still have to hit the range because that gun might not be for you.
@@usernamesrlamo It's funny no one has a problem with the safety selector on an AR15 but put one on a pistol in almost the exact same spot and OMG people will never figure it out.
It's a SAO with a bad trigger.
It flopped. End of story.
I have many other micro compacts that are internet approved, but this is still what ends up getting carried 80% of the time.
Underrated comment!
One of the reasons people want a 1911 type platform is because of the 1911 trigger. S&W gave us a 1911esque platform with a Glockesque trigger (dingus and all). That’s where they missed the mark. If they reworked the trigger and made it a true 1911 trigger the things would fly off the shelves.
Exactly.
But even companies that give us sort-of 1911 triggers, as in the Colt Mustang, SIG P938, Springfield 911, etc., insist on the pull weight being in the 5-7 pound range, essentially ruining the expected advantage of a single action trigger.
@@kimisdaman I can live with five pounds but it must be a true 1911 break, and with no dingus.
Ive never shot a micro 1911 that had a great trigger though.
@@livewithnick Try Bul Armory, or Staccato
Update it to accept Shield mags (no stupid spacer), "fix" the trigger, make it DA/SA with decocker = what MANY people have been waiting for from a manufacturer! ❤
Facts! If it had a decocker I'd buy it in a heart beat. Also shield mags isn't a bad idea.
All that, and offer it in a larger, compact-size version.
Nite sites too.
@@kenhoward3512 Yeah, like maybe a 17 round version. Make it compatible with a red dot and add a light rail. Maybe a compensated barrel too. Then it will be perfect. A big bonus is if it would take glock mags as well.
So you want a completely different gun?
Smith & Wesson missed their chance by not making the CSX a railgun, if you know what I mean.
Brilliant! For those that get reference and result I applaud both them and you
Oh, you.
One of my favorite purchases over the last 2 years. People buy in to internet shills. It is a great compact single action.
That's not a shill..
@@JTheraos shill? The internet is the Wild west of hate. If you like a handgun you are now a shill. Sorry the false reset which is null was upsetting the Jason Bournes which like here there are no shortage of.
I really like my CSX. When I was deciding I tried the 365, the Hellcat and several others and they were all really snappy. Because of the weight of the CSX it was a lot easier to keep it on target. It is also a really well built gun that is reliable. The faux trigger was not a big deal because I don’t shoot to reset. Yes, they can fix it and the sleeve but overall it is a really quality well built gun.
That is a solid defensive pistol. You can also rack the slide with the safety on to safely load/unload it.
That is nice for people with fear of their gun going off, but it isn't unsafe loading with safety off. It's only unsafe if you do something stupid.
YES and this is almost never mentioned!
@@JTheraosThat could be said about the safety in general. You don’t have to use it.
Unloading with a safely is a good thing, unless you've been brainwashed to think a safety isn't safe, and you worship all glocks no mater what.
I ignored all the bad reviews, and bought it on launch. Never had reliability. I experienced the reset problem, but there are ways around it, mainly train with, and properly lubricate it. It is my summer time EDC. I liked it a whole lot more the my P365.
So, it wasn’t reliable? “Never had reliability” sounds like it never worked 😂
@@AAA-Wolf never had reliability issues.
Only problem with it is the fact that it doesn't take the shield plus magazines
Are those even double stacked? I swore the shield was single stack...
@@douglasduda9826 The shield is a single stack, but the shield plus is double stack
@@meteorhawk06 Yea I did not remember. Thanks. Not been a big fan of most S&W stuff except their classic revolvers since now I inherited a few. I do like this CSX, I may pick one up. Double stack tiny carry appears to be a good option.
Nor should it.
It wouldn’t be as small or have as good of capacity for its size anymore.
It wouldn’t make any sense to do that.
As for a gun like the S&W equalizer, it does share magazines with the shield.
Because in that case it actually makes sense and has no downsides.
@@AJ-gk7bndo you like the Equalizer?
If they were worried about the gun release tanking they should have lowered the price for a couple of months, like everyone else does. I was willing to take a chance on it, but I never saw one below 500.
Companies get greedy. Look at DD charging 1300 for their H9.
That could backfire tho. Markets have been known to shy away from products that lower their prices.
@@kevinmcveigh9663 Example?
...the you weren't paying attention...S&W had a rebate...
Rebates don't count. Too many ways for them not to pay out or never get your submission. Been screwed over by them before, especially when I order and pay online. @@puzer1
I actually bought this out of impulse because i was looking for something to carry while running. It still shoots nice and straight even after a sweaty workout.
I had one. Paid $350 for it used in like new condition. Sights were off elevation wise and aftermarket sights of different heights were not available. Trigger was not impressive. Internals are MIM so it is a little sloppy. Got rid of it and went back to my LW commander in 45.
Love this gun. Can't believe so many people are against it. I've never been a SA kind of person when it come to CCW, but after hearing endlessly bad things about it, I got to shoot one myself and I loved it. I really hope it gets a chance in the future. Just because it didn't do good initially doesn't mean it has to continue to not do good. I hope they do a couple upgrades and re-release it.
The trigger-isn’t-perfect whiners couldn’t help but remind me of The Princess and The Pea.
You will get a lot of that in the gun community. "Oh, I don't like this trigger guard". They are used to 4 pounds triggers and get a 5 pound one: "Oh, this trigger is so heavy, hurts my little fingers." When it comes to guns, gun guys can be so spoiled. There are countries who won revolutions with homemade slam fire shotguns
But when S&W offers a gun with a better trigger for less money (Shield) why get this one? At a certain point it isnt even about the trigger but simply getting a worse product for more money.
The CSX trigger doesnt need to be perfect but it needs to be at least as good as any other average single action pistol because that's basically its only distinctive feature. If its trigger is as mushy and shitty as a bottom tier striker trigger there's just no reason for its existence.
I love my CSX. Mine did have a false reset but after a couple hundred rounds and a week or so of daily dry fire it's disappeared. Even though it's smaller and lighter than the Shield Plus I find it much more pleasant to shoot. The recoil doesn't feel nearly as strong, likely because I can get my pinky on the grip even with the 10 round magazine. My buddy had to buy a pinky extension for his Shield Plus to remedy that issue. I haven't shot it with the extension, but without it his gun felt like it wanted nothing more than to jump right out of my hands. I can pocket carry the CSX in the right pants or make it comfortably disappear IWB even in a t-shirt and sweats. I tend to shoot it even more accurately than my full size Beretta 92X at about 7 yards. It's a lovely little gun.
I carry it every day. It is very accurate. I was a big fan of the P238 and P938 and was excited to see an increase in capacity. I can put it in my pocket and go. It's great. As far as the trigger bump, it should be fixed. But honestly if you ever have to use this gun it will be 5 rounds as fast as possible. The trigger issue has no effect on that situation. But I would love it more if they put out an aftermarket trigger fix. Also my trigger has thousands of rounds through it and it is 4lb 3 oz. For pocket carry it's great.
I have the sig 938 and now the Kimber equivalent. The 938 was great until the day the trigger broke and that was after 1 round fired of many before it...but yea...1 bang then nothing...so now its going to just be a range gun. I sent it back it was fixed but yea...no confidence in it anymore.
@@douglasduda9826how many rounds have you had through it? Things break.
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 hmm Maybe 1000 or so? I shot it quite abit, but still...The trigger should not break the way this one did...
@@douglasduda9826 Yeah that’s too few rounds to be a normal parts breakage.
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 Yes unfortunately... at least it broke at the range and NOT when I Needed it to go bang. The trigger if I am recalling right is on a pin and the trigger itself broke. So there was the 1 bang, no reset, No way to fire it again. I think its made of like cast aluminum...Maybe it was a very rare case. Even though its been repaired/replaced Id have to get a new trigger myself and install it if I wanted to be carrying it again. OH well that is why I got the kimber version. Although the extended sig mags do not fit...
I still don't want one.
It's a great gun. Brush the sand out of your lady parts you complainers.
That's right. If you aren't spending more than a Shield for a worse gun, you're just a complainer.
I love mine, I love hammer fired pistols, it functions perfectly and feels like it was made for your hand, the trigger doesn't bother me whatsoever and I own a CZ Shadow 2, but it isn't made for competition it's made to carry and not go off when you draw it, you only notice the false reset if your very carefully and slowly using the trigger, if you pull this out of your pocket and shoot fast you'll never even know about the false reset.
Exactly!
I would buy the 2.0 in a heartbeat if they fixed my version ones issues. Weak safety detent, stupid loose magazine sleeve, and trigger reset was poor.
Glock fan boy here just getting into Smith and Wesson brand so far I'm liking it p.s sig sucks
I’m a big fan of Smith and Wesson I don’t think you’ll be disappointed! Glocks are fine guns but Smith and Wesson are just as reliable!
I was a day 1 buyer and wanted to love this gun. Mine unfortunately came with a broken safety lever right out of the box, and getting SW customer service to fix it was so bad it turned me off their brand forever, and I owned 7 smith and wessons at the time. I fought them for months and eventually they did fix it for free, and I did carry it (even had Nameless Armanent cut it for a dot) but eventually the lack of support and bad customer service convinced me to just carry a 43x. Do I still like the CSX? Sure. But I think Smith did as much to kill it as influencers did.
Thank you for your input. When I searched for the gun on youtube all I saw was positive reviews so I'm not sure if it was influencers either.
Holy shit, Nate cut it for a dot? That's wild
@noahz2275 Yeah nameless offers CSX optic cuts for the Shield RMSC / Holosun K footprint
@rory9537 I've gotten all my cuts through them but didn't know he offered anything for the CSX. Thats awesome
Amen brother, I love my CSX but with the total lack of support and gutless S&W response to the internet shills It just may be the last thing I buy from S&W. How long did it take them to figure out that the magazine loading problem was a result of their own assembly people not installing the mag. spring into the follower correctly. And that just a little polishing of the stamped trigger parts improves smoothness greatly. Oh, and that annoying rubber spacer on the twelve round Mags, well I fixed mine months ago. It no longer slides up and down the mag body, it does't go anywhere. And guess what, I can still disassemble my mags to clean them without having to move or do a thing to the spacer. And a forteen round Mag. would really nice!
And last but not least the big trigger problem that S&W said never existed. I understand that they have come out with a new improved firing pin safty plunger that is made of harder smoother material that greatly improves the trigger reset feel. But I have not heard of them sending any of those out to the loyal customers who actually purchased a CSX, or even making it known that it was available!
I totally agree with @rory9537, the S&W CSX is fine little firearm and that S&W with their lack of support have no one to blame but themselves for its lackluster sales record. Unfortunely, it is their customers who are the big losers here!!!
I got one when they first come out in fact its my daily carry its been 100% reliable and I shoot it great, not snappy to shoot its a very underrated gun in my opinion, wish the aftermarket would do a few accessories for it.
Good video. I've heard the newer productions have eliminated the false reset.
OMG CSX the rail company!!!
If it was a DA/SA with just a decocker I'd being carrying it rn
Yup
DA triggers suck though… you can always drop the mag and rack the slide to eject the one in the chamber before dropping the hammer… the slide can be manipulated with the safety on.
@@Noble.1 I shoot everything, including revolvers. Double action doesn't bother me. Having a gun with a hammer that can't shoot double action does however. They just don't make semiautomatic SA/DA anymore.
@@YacolJ I guess, if a little foreplay is what you like… but a short travel, crisp break & a short reset has to turn you on a bit I’m sure…
@@Noble.1 🤣😂No it's not that. I prefer a long deliberate first trigger pull. All my pistols, except my M&P Shield have this action. It gives me confidence that I won't squeeze a round off in the wrong place in the heat of the moment.
Of course none of the trigger snob critics would ever bother to RTFM. On page 24: "After firing a shot, you must allow the trigger to move fully forward to reset the mechanism before you can fire the next shot. Failure to let the trigger move fully forward will prevent the lockwork from cycling and will prevent you from being able to fire the next shot." If you don't like the trigger, you're entitled to your opinion. But the so-called "false reset" is not a flaw. IMHO this is a good little handgun.
I’m a big fan of my CSX. It shoots great for its size and weight. The trigger, after getting broken in, is very nice. A little heavier than a typical single action trigger, but very crisp and and easy to work with. Great, short reset. Only thing I don’t love is the manual safety: it works great and is easy to flip down and up, but that’s just a personal preference.
Personal preference for a SA hammer gun??
I don’t like guns that small.
I prefer a greater than 3.5” barrel for 9mm.
It seems difficult to get an expanding hollow point to expand unless the gun can get the 9mm projectile to 1100 ish.
Put a 4” barrel and (3) twelve round magazines in a kit and I would go look at one.
They put a trigger safety on a SA gun and it messes with the release.
True, but then you don't have a grip safety to worry about hitting just right. That's why I won't buy an EZ. They have to have one or the other to make it drop safe.
It doesn't. It can't. Anyone that says the trigger safety does has proven they have no clue how the gun operates.
i feel the same way about my gen3 26 , been the og for over 30 years kids ;-)
Great place to be! This is Glock 26 Central over here. Respect and thank you as always
Had one as my EDC for a while. Liked it but it definitely needs a Gen 2. The trigger and safety lever need a bit more thought. Aside from the reset issues which were overblown, it’s mushy. The ambi safety lever on a gun this size can run up against the trigger finger. If they just make changes there, the CSX would be unbeatable as a subcompact “2011” for the price.
No, internet did not kill the gun but S&W did. 10r magazine is 11 minus 1 round magazine (why?!). It has zero texture on sides of grip with 2nd backstrap (why?!), even with large backstrap there is not very much of texture on sides. It is SAO gun with manual trigger and thumb safety, so trigger doesn´t have to be shitty heavy. Magazine sleeve on 12r magazine. I think the gun was designed by unexperienced team within S&W and there is the result.
Bought my CSX a few weeks ago. I only have two small cons about the gun first is yes the trigger, about 20% of the time I can feel the false reset, but not that big of a deal, secondly is the safety, no decocker. As for the magazine spacer, I used some superglue, guess what, now it’s fixed. Overall I like 👍 it.
SAO pistols never have a decocker. What would the point of one be?
@@johnrobinson1328 The decocker would be there so you can forget to flip the safety AND forget to cock your hammer to *really* hand out those Darwin awards to those who cannot walk & chew gum at the same time.
A rep at Scheels showed it to me after I gave him my criteria (which effectively amounted to what this gun is; I was looking at a P938). I had never heard of it before, and I *loved* it.
The trigger reset complaint seems ridiculous - probably overstated by reviewers who handle new guns all the time and don't have time to learn the platform. Not relevant to people who will carry and train with it for months and years (much like bullpup complaints).
Glad you got one for yourself. Most people are sheep. You can pretty much say "don't buy this" and 99.99% of them would listen. It don't even matter if they have a legitimate reason or not. Just look at the LCP models (and the Kel Tecs). Their triggers are absolutely terrible compared to the CSX, but they're extremely popular handguns.
Yup well said!! Respect and thanks for watching
I saw the whole point of this gun being the single action hammer fired system that should lend itself to having a great trigger. I was interested. I heard it did not have an amazing trigger and my interest quickly faded. I saw one at Cabela’s the other day. I again passed it over without much interest. To be fair, I am a trigger snob.
@@HollyrockFarm Yeah, I get why some people like Single Action triggers on their weapons, but I've just never been one of those people. I think a DA system (without a safety) is the best for self defense, but I like striker fired and some DAO systems also. I'm not really against SAO systems like some people or having manual safeties. I just don't prefer them.
@@deucedeuce1572 I was a striker guy but with most of them going to the pre-cocked then the even more pre-cocked model for nice triggers, they’re really flirting with being SAO without a manual safety. That makes me nervous to carry them appendix.
I started carrying a CZ 75 P-01 Omega with a Cajun Gun Works trigger upgrade…butter. Then I moved to the CZ Custom A01-C…DA/SA and smooth as silk.
We live in a great time for firearms. We can have preferences and for the most part, find what we prefer.
@@HollyrockFarm No doubt. Can't complain with all the options. There's something for everyone. Yeah, I love the P320 triggers (for example)... but they're such a short, light trigger that I'm not sure if I'd ever want to carry one. I know they'll never just go off in the holster without the trigger being pulled, but I'd prefer a Glock trigger or at-least a G3C type trigger over something so short and light, like an SA trigger with no safety.
I own this gun and its my EDC. I love this guns small frame, good capacity and its a great shooter. I've never had any malfunction with this gun. I've carried guns with horrible triggers and this one is not bad. You train with your firearm, learn your firearm, get to know the gun your going to carry to protect your family and you.
The GunTubers didn’t kill the release, S&W did it on their own. False reset, cheap mag spacer, and front strap falling off can’t be blamed on reviewers. That’s solely on S&W.
I tried it out in the gun store about two months ago. The false reset would get me killed because I train to ride the trigger to reset. I can’t risk being in the moment and fooled by the false reset.
They had a great idea. Now they need a Gen 2… with a whole QA/QC team
Riding the reset is silly and a skill issue. Can cause malfunctions in several guns and is slower than just moving your finger forward and back to the wall.
Making a trash gun is a skill issue. Defending a trash gun is silly.
They made a single action 1911 style gun with the one feature people love about that type of gun being trash. Their own striker fired concealed carry gun has a better trigger.
@@CatholicKitRiding the reset causes timing issues on revolvers. If it causes issues on a semi auto then the gun is poor quality or needs a gunsmith
S&W doomed this model themselves. All they had to do was clean up the few issues of the existing DA/SA (3rd gen?) CS9, but they made a bizarre mess of a Glock mashed with a 1911 in attempt to ride conflicting waves of popularity..
The biggest complaint that I'd seen/heard about the CSX is more about the customer service of S&W, when you do have problems, like the numerous issues that were had with the early release models of the M&P 12, the trigger issue you mentioned for the CSX, some of their recent revolvers...just quality control issues, in general.
I had thought it had to do with them moving semi-auto production to a new facility, because of Massachusetts state assembly bill banning the manufacture of semi-auto firearms in their state. But then they started having issues with revolver springs, etc. Most likely, just some substandard parts, from third party manufacturers, that made it into S&W's production lines.
The "gun community" is pretty funny with how eager they are to hammer on new stuff, declaring it useless trash, before it's even made it through a few months on the market.
A good, recent, instance of this is the new Walther PD380. Walther "fans" have been begging for an update to the PPS, and when Walther started teasing a new pistol was coming, those fans were certain that Walther had listened and the new PPS was coming...then they announced the PD380, and every went ape shit "who the hell asked for that?", "Gee, thanks, Walther...a gun no one wanted."
I learned years ago the hard way not to buy until a gun has been on the market for at least 6 months. Bought a SIG Mosquito when it first came out, still makes me mad that SIG didn't fix them.
This gun definitely isn’t my cup of tea but I’ve always maintained it seems like a phenomenal gun for the right kind of person.
Now.. make the csx DA/SA and I’ll buy it tomorrow. Bad reviews or not.
I love my CSX. My trigger is fine. Just like any other gun you have to practice with it. You should check out the aluminum pinky extensions made by NDZ Performance. Looks great and I can get a full grip now. Made a big difference for me.
I appreciate that! I will have to check that out. Thanks man, respect
Agreed. The NDZ extensions make this feel like a true micro 2011.
I feel this gun was nowhere near as bad ass people said. My gun didnt have the false reset at all and after 1000 rounds its still flawless ! ITS A GREAT GUN i recommend that everyone gets one if they can afford it ! I have a ton of experience with guns and have several but this csx stays on my hip I trust it with my life and keeping my family safe......Whats weird is I find myself carrying it over my glock 19 and thats saying alot !
What holster do you use in the csx?
I have a Tulster!
Here’s the problem. The only reason to want an SAO, hammer fired pistol is the trigger. If the trigger is the same or worse than a striker fired pistol, why bother? Then there’s the fact that there is no RDS compatible version AND it holds 1 less round than the Shield+ extended mag, not to mention the newer 15 rounders. The aluminum frame is just not enough of a benefit to offset the negatives. Next time they need to make a 19/2011 style trigger and make a slide cut for an RDS.
There's no excuse for a heavy trigger with a thumb safety.
The trigger doesn't matter on a carry pistol.
I love mine! 1,000 rounds, never a malfunction. It is too big to pocket -carry. I'm looking at a Bodyguard.
People were really mad that a microcompact didn't have a 0.5 lb match grade trigger, optics cut, threaded barrel, and cowitness sights.
It's intended to be a svelt carry piece that packs 12+1 in a very small package - If i want bells and whistles i'll go fullsize
Yessir, very well said man. It’s a great gun. Respect!
More like it just isnt better in any way than the other similar sized gun S&W makes already (the Shield) that has some of those things while also being cheaper.
Being single action isn't any kind of benefit to the CSX in this case because its trigger feels like any other crappy striker trigger.
So why not get the cheaper gun that has a nice striker trigger and more features?
@@MGMan37 the shield is dimensionally larger than the CSX to the point of it not being in consideration for carrying for me, and the csx holds more rounds
Thanks for the great video. I think one problem this gun has is people trying to make it something it isn’t. It’s for up close defensive shooting and it does that well
Just bought a Plus this week.
My EDC. Fine choice.
A good choice. Try out the Shield Plus Performance Center 4" if you like it, one with a Holosun 507k is my usual carry.
@@djangofreeman9382 I also have a 2.0.
I bought one and love it. Flat shooting, good short trigger with no issues with the false reset. in fact I had try try really hard to find it. The so called expert reviews are full it!
No, what killed that gun was the fact that S&W released a carry gun that was single action only.
I bought one of these on sale a few months ago and I can’t say enough good things about this gun!! It’s a great shooter, a great conceal carry pistol and feels great in the hand. Recoil is soft for a micro 9mm and it is very accurate. Everyone sleeps on this gun, either cause they don’t know about it or seemed to be scared away by the TH-cam videos making a big deal out of none exist problems in my opinion ( i.e. false reset and lack of a rail for attachments). All of my Air Force shooting buddies all are shocked when they hold it because they’ve never seen or heard of one. They love the gun from the second they hold it to the end of the range trip. I can’t say enough good things about this small, metal hammer fired pistol!
I'm not not convinced the internet ruined it, I think introducing a gun like this with no rail and a trigger that both had a false reset issue and was unnecessarily heavy ruined it. Not because it's a bad gun, it's not, but because, once again, S&W released a gun that had problems and it couldn't compete with all the other guns in that "micro 9" category.
Ironically S&W's other options, like the Shield, were far more desirable. Being "1911-ish" wasn't enough to compete with the P365, Hellcat, MC9 etc. It was never going to compete with all the other guns out there and let's be 100% honest here, there are FAR more video reviews of this gun that are positive overall than negative. It's the responsibility of the reviewer to give the pros and cons, which they did. The funky reset problem should never have made it to the production phase, the lack of a rail was a big mistake and the unnecessarily heavy trigger was a mind boggling mistake. A new micro 9 is never going to impress the masses with the issues this gun had in the category it was trying to compete in.
I carry a very not popular gun, the equalizer, and I do love that gun, big problem is finding holsters
The false reset feel on mine was caused by the trigger bar where it rolls off sear. I cleaned it up with a fine file and polished it (the trigger bar, not the sear). The false reset went away. I also cut two coils off the firing pin safety plunger. You would have to remove the rear sight to get access to it, but it makes a huge difference in the trigger pull weight.
Awesome. Great tips.
I recently picked up a used CSX, and I quickly fell in love with it. It is nothing short of perfect for me!
these idiots could have made the smallest double stack DA/SA gun but instead made a shitty 1911 no one asked for with no optics cut in 2024
Nice looking pistol but cocked and locked s so outdated. I carry either a JFrame revolver or a SA/DA automatic.
Hold the f****** gun still
I do wish they had just made it 13 rounds. The 1/8th inch extension is pointless. The gun shoots extremely well for its size. Lots of concussion but the recoil seems less than a P365 in my hands.
Fair enough! I agree with that 100%. Respect and thanks for watching
Please keep hating on it! Drive that price in down before i buy one lol. Might wait on the inevitable "2.0" S&W loves to do
I held one of these in the gun store and found it comfortable. Then I tried the trigger and it was mushy and uncertain. No reason why a hammer fired pistol should have a crappy trigger. So I didn't buy it. I didn't watch a single video until months later and found other folks discovered the same thing I did and chose other better options!
Idc I want one
That dumb trigger safety ruined this gun.
trigger safeties ruin just about every gun
I bougnt one and it is my main carry giun. I am a surgeon at 9 yards with it. Good capacity and reliable.
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Thanks for watching and commenting man. Love the work. Keep it up. Respect
6:30 That's what killed that gun? Well, that sounds stupid.
Trigger reset is irrelevant in a defensive situation.
Companies can be so stubborn. They could've saved the release by taking the advice... maybe even meet halfway. Go with a 2011 style trigger that is 6 lbs or so. Let people send it back for the work for a small charge.
Fair enough! Respect
lol people will shlt on the CSX for the trigger, while carrying a glock
If it has a manual safety why not make the trigger super light and short?
It wasn’t as bad as release of sig p365 with total recall 🤣😂😅
Great video. It's a gun I wasn't interested in, initially (not because of the videos). After watching this, I may actually pick one up. Oh the irony.
Haha thanks man. And yea, the irony. Respect and thanks for watching
I have one. Many things to like about it but the trigger sucks.
People complain about the false reset as if it will get you killed, I don’t know who’s going to ride the reset in a actual defense or even offensive situation, but I doubt anyone truly pays attention to resets in real shooting situations. It’s also just a training issue, if you get used to the CSX you’re not gonna have a problem with it. I love mine & carry it everywhere, I suppose the only complaint I have is that trigger safety. I’ve never liked safeties built into triggers it feels counterintuitive to the purpose of the firearm, especially when you have a side mounted thumb safety & internal drop safety
Well said man, well said. Respect
I don’t mind the trigger didn’t bother me at all didn’t even notice it
Every csx I ever shot had a dogsh*t trigger. end of story.
Love my CSX, I actually carry mine own with in a vedder lightdraw holster!👌🏻
Great setup man! Respect and thanks for watching
Reminds me of the Spanish Star pistols from the 1980's
Yep, nailed it.
I handled it at the show. The slide is butter smooth, the handle is comfy, but… the trigger is horrendous!!! If you make a single action only gun, make the trigger single action 1911 good! This one ain’t.
Everything is opinion
That’s 100% accurate. Thank you and respect
So, I saw those videos before I did my own review. I never once had an issue with the trigger reset. I really liked the gun, just wished the trigger was a tad lighter. I couldn't shoot it quite as good as I would normally with other micro 9's, and I attributed that to the heavier trigger on my example. But in the hands of a regular shooter friend of mine who usually sucks with pistols compared to me, he was drilling 50 yard shots with it and loved it! I was dumbfounded to say the least. Just goes to show everybody is different and not every gun is for every person. Best way to find out is go to one of the ranges that rents what they sell and try it for yourself first...
Yes I have owned three of these but never seem to be able to keep because of the trigger. Time to go for number 4 with the price drop
Funny... CSX is the only Smith I own
I carry a csx every day, my favorite carry gun. Hammer fire is my favorite and more proven then any striker fire next favorite is my cz p07
PSA has them for $399 from time to time
If it had a decocker I’d be all over it
What didn't the other YT channels like about the pistol to kill sales and interest? It's a quality little gun.