The focus is on the key(s) of that gun safe to always be in the possession/control of ONLY the gun owner. If I am at home and sick in bed even my UNDERAGE child can protect us? What makes it tricky is when a passenger and me are on the road and gets car trouble. It is in the middle of the night. My passenger is my wife, my underage child, a person in a wheel chair, my granny etc. While I am at the car fixing the problem (flat tyre) I can hand my gun to the passenger to protect us. NOW the car trouble is bigger and I need help. Now I have two options: 1. Leave the passenger unprotected and (forced by law) take my gun with me and seek help. 2.Send the passenger (unprotected) for help while my gun and me stay at the car. The law stipulates that the firearm should always be under the gun owner's control. This 'car trouble' is just one of more examples of a ridiculous law.
I think it's a pretty pathetic law that someone can't use a firearm for self defense if the owner isn't there, and here's my reason for saying so (of course, the situation can be broad, but this is one scenario I can think of): If I go out with friends but decide to leave my firearm at home, and my mom (not having a competency or license or being a co-owner) sees multiple people trying to kick the door in, all armed with machetes, that would mean I (and possibly my mom) would go to prison for a legitimate self-defense scenario if she were to use the firearm to defend herself. I really believe we shouldn't need to co-license firearms, and should be allowed access to a family members safe in the event of a genuine emergency that requires firearm use for self defense without any loopholes to jump through. Maybe it's just me, but I feel like it's contradictory to our "right to life" and being "allowed to use anything to defend the life of yourself or others". South Africa needs serious change to the firearms control act (in favor of people looking to obtain firearms for all legal purposes, of course) Great video though! This is stuff I've had questions about, since I've been wanting to move out of South Africa and to America, and admittedly have been studying and am more clued up with their self-defense laws than I am South Africa's
Its a pitty the competency process soo messed up over here otherwise I would have just convinced my loved ones to get a pre-owned revolver for like 2.5k-3k which I'll pay for and I'd have peace of mind.
@@Ty__02 Glad to know I'm not the only one who feels that way. If only us pro-gun (or at least, anyone looking to own a firearm legally) could form a group, be it online and/or in person to discuss and find ways to bring change for the better. I mean, South Africa's not getting any safer
@@NightL3gacy47 I think the competency process needs to be digitalized so its easier we dont wait so long but I think the overall process is good.We cant have lunatics having firearms.
Thank for this information. I have been thinking about getting a firearm for a while but with everyone having their own opinion it can become demotivating to get one. Thank you for sharing.
Me and my wife has duel licenses on both our firearms, I have a Sec16 on her firearm of wich she has it licensed under Sec13, I did not think it was possible and took a chance and it was approved,🤞
You can defend yourself with the attacker's gun if you manage to wrestle it away from him, so using your spouse's gun isn't going to get you in trouble. UNLESS the shooting wasn't justified.
There are small details here that are very important. Wrestling an attackers gun and using it to defend yourself, or using any other gun or weapon that was introduced to the situation, dead cop/spouse/attacker is perfectly lawful and reasonable. Illegally gaining access to someones safe is different because technically an offence was committed. There is definitely a case to be made for necessity, however there are much better ways legally and tactically to circumvent this whole discussion. The defensive shooting aspect may very well be lawful in either case. The manner in which the firearm was obtained is a separate issue to the actual defence. Chances are small someone would be charged in this case, but not zero. We are here to try and put our clients in the most legally and tactically empowered position possible.
Great information as always. I recently got my license for self defence and i started carrying my pistol daily. However I noticed "Gun Free Zone" signs in front of businesses and shops. What does the law say regarding this? Am i allowed to carry or not in these areas?
Congrats on getting your gun! This is a great question and I think we will do a video on the topic. Only gun free zones declared y the minister are actually gun free zones. Those "No guns allowed" signs you see outside banks and shopping centres are merely a request under the "right of admission reserved" clause.
Unrelated specifically to spousal defence tactics, quick question re defence in a home invasion scenario: I've noticed on vids of live feed from security cams in several instances that a trend with home invaders seems to be developing. 5 criminals enter the home, at the crucial initial stage. They enter single file at one point. First 3 are unarmed. Last 2 have hand guns. What would the likely legal fallout be if, in a totally dark scenario, where you encounter them in your home, seeing moving shapes (your loved ones are accounted for and you have hard evidence of forced entry), but not clearly visible weapons in their hands, you engage them, killing two. The remaining ones flee. When the lights are turned on, you find you have taken out 2 unarmed intruders. Your opinion on the legal situation, firstly, in this hypothetical scenario, would be appreciated, and secondly, how would it be best to handle this assuming that flight would not be possible at that point for the home defender. You cannot see weapons in their hands in the dark?
In short folks, "Yes", but remember there are always repercussions for ones actions be they positive, and or negative. Your duty as a firearms owner is to ensure that all actions are carried out within the ambit of the law. It is ridiculous how many people that have obtained a firearms licence have no clue on the FCA,the CPA and do not continue with training and or CPD and keep abreast with the latest developments and amendments to the Acts that govern responsible firearms ownership.
Feel free to reach out to us on 0215181222 or whatsapp 0717444633 or email info@gunlicence.co.za Our team will be happy to give you more info on the process.
Thank you for this video. I noted the recommendations and agree with them. Your comment on this scenario: What if the wife does not know where the keys are…. The wife has a competency, work for the army or police force…. She calls to advise you that excessive force is in progress, someone is shooting through windows… Under your instructions, you direct them where to get keys for the safe to access the guy and respond appropriately. Would you say the is lawful or unlawful?
Thanks for leaving the comment! In short, the same applies in this case as to that discussed in the video. There would likely still be legal fallout - whether your spouse operated under your instruction or out of their own intuition.
Congratulations! Thats epic news! There is no science behind SAPS and the wait time is constantly changing. 6 months is currently a little on the long side, but definitely still "within spec"
Thank you for this information. My wife and I are planning to get our competencies thriugh Gunlicence. We will pay a visit to you soon. In the case of owning multiple firearms via the dedicated sportshooter licence, is it possible to have dual ownership for the guns?
I'm super happy to hear this😁 Provided you both reside at the same address and get the same category of licence, you can indeed get dual licenses for the firearms😁
Great information. A question I would love answered is, "What are the legalities of a truck/backpack gun?" I hear about it all the time from American channels and I'm curious how it works in SA. Specifically for an AR15
Hey Ian! This is an interesting question. The FCA states that firearms may be carried in a rucksack/holder designed for the carrying of the firearm - so, you could essentially carry a semi-automatic rifle in your backpack as long as it is concealed and under your effective control. Regarding a "truck gun", keep in mind that the firearm must always be concealed in a public space. Driving around with an AR in your back window is not only unlawful but it can also make you more of a target for criminals 😂
So much insight information. In a case where firearm(s) are under business purpose, can she still use it for self defense in a case of a life threatening situation under a permit issued by the responsible party? Please advise on the matter. Otherwise, Great channel!! Keep us informed and let's all remain LEGALLY strapped.
Can you do a video regarding when you get pulled over what laws are inforced and how many mags are you allowed to carry should the mags be to capacity just the general?
Because I got pulled over last night the officer asked if I have a firearm and I said yes he asked for my lisence and followed by how many rounds I have in the mag
And said that we going to have to take it to the magistrate but I clean my gun weekly and I forgot to put in the 15th round but in a way he gave me my firearm back
What would happen if you had kids at home and they needed to defend themselves, can you get a junior license or something or do you have to live in a dangerous enough area for them to allow it, obviously you dont want your kids home alone but sometimes its not possible to bring them with you, its especially sucky that our laws are now for 21 years old, and younger than that isnt allowed to have a gun (unless things are different again), if my mom or dad were to own a gun could my younger, older sister and I get some sort of license or something to be allowed to use it, or would we have to stick to a paintball gun with plastics and or pepper balls.
My partner is British, can she as a non-resident obtain a firearm license? NO. so i travel extensively, how can she protect herself !!! throwing a watermelon at the perpetrator is probably going to piss him or her off even more, and she can't throw him off a five-story building, because ours is only two stories. Jokes aside, it's a Kak situation to be in. Government is happy to take her money here in SA, but she cannot use a firearm. Advice please?!
I totally get your frustration! I would advise securing your property with multiples security layers and linking up with the best security company in your area. Have a look at - Electric fencing - Beams - Security gates - cameras - Panic button Also have her get 3 security companies on speed dial. Private security are waaaay better that SAPS.
You could in the past get a section 21 permit which was valid for one year and anyone could get one regardless of if you even lived here or not. Not sure they are still being approved or applications being accepted though, also havent seen talk of section 21 permits in a few years eithers. I could be mistaken but I vaguely remember that you didnt even need a competency for a section 21 permit. Hopefully someone can correct me if I'm wrong
I have 5 saves. one in my bedroom, one in the passage , two in the workshop an d one in my house next door. So, the most important firearms are in the bedroom. So what now; my wife have access to my save at all times.
There is nothing wrong with having several safes. In fact, I think it has several advantages. Unfortunately the Firearms Control Act states that only you may have access to your firearms. It is fine for you and your wife to have access to a shared safe, but you can't have any firearms in that safe. What you do in your own time in none of my business. I am just advising what the FCA states.
With regard to dual licensing, what happens in the event of a separation or divorce? Will the other lose their gun license automatically or does that have to be explicitly stated in writing during the separation? What about the grown children, can they be allowed to access and use the fire arm under the dual license?
If you Wife is the "Main" License holder and you applied as an Additional License Holder, my DFO Stated when you leave the house (AKA not your primary residence, Devorce) you will loose your License (Additional) as the requirements for your license was that you must be living in the same house.
Wrestling an attackers gun from him means the possession of the firearm was reasonable and lawful. Illegally obtaining a gun from someone's safe is different. The shooting may be justified in both circumstances, however there is a big difference in the way the gun was obtained.
That is a good question and almost a paradoxical one😅 The FCA simply states that you must have control of your keys at all times. There is no exact instruction to do with your spare key. They leave this up to you, but we have seen people get section 102'd (declared unfit) where a firearm has been stolen out of a safe when the spare key was found.
The solution is to make sure that your wife is proficient with one particular firearm. Make sure that she is proficient in the law around self defence. PLACE THAT FIREARM IN A PIN CODE SAFE. ‘’Never divulge the PIN code to her”. If she finds herself in a desperate need to defend herself she would be justified in ‘’guessing’’ your PIN code a few times. Who knows she might know you or your birthdate well enough to get it right. Know most of those legal arguments around storage and access are addressed.
Is this not a contradiction..."you may use anything to protect or defend yourself"...so, the wife grabs my weapon when I am not around...how is that illegal..?
What would the legal ramifications be if you were away, your wife calls to say there are intruders in the house and you tell her where the spare key is / combination for the safe so that she can defend herself?
You would be subject to the same legal issues as those discussed in the video. The decision is very personal - would facing the legal fallout afterwards be the lesser of two evils?
so a scenario. There is a home invasion, the perpetrators are armed, they are trying to break into the front and back doors. I have 2 guns but can only cover one door, my wife is licenced, but can shoot. I give her my 2nd firearm to cover the back door. What happens when she shoots someone in this scenario?
There is a little known section in the law that allows for a car safe, provided that it is SABS approved and installed by an accredited installer. Gunnery Arms sells the Pangolin series of car safes - 0215181222
You have 2 options. The first would be to take the necessary steps to license the firearm (anybody can take the steps to apply for the firearm). The second option would be to have the firearm sold/booked in at a gun shop. Please reach out to us via WhatsApp on 071 744 4633 for the specifics 🙂
If you have 10 firearms licensed to your name, then you may have 1 safe for all those firearms. Additional safes are only applicable when a spouse/partner/family member have their own firearms licensed to their name. The licence holder of any firearm is the only person allowed access to their safe 🙂
@@gunlicence thanks for feed back I'll look for that video must u be part of club or can u go as individual and what is best aquire such weopenry sport license or collecter
Don't talk kak. if the defense was lawful, it doesn't matter what you used or whether you had permission to use it. You are right that she should have her own gun though.
That is waaay longer than usual. I would follow up with your DFO and see if the licence wasn't issued without letting you know. Sometimes they lose applications. If this was a renewal, they do take way longer because your licence remains valid while they process the application.
My wife is a police officer. If someone break in to our house unlawfully and intends to kill us can I opt to use her gun instead of mine. Let's say the gun it in a bedside stand.
What if my wife has a licensed firearm, and we share a safe? Which means she has the key and I have a key, but she uses my firearm to defend herself because her firearm for whatever reason is at the Gunsmith?
@FrostBravo all good😅 We can definitely discuss this. I think I might do a few short live videos on this and similar topics. Be sure to subscribe and turn on notifications.
The common law has precedent to any other legislation. Change the question: what will happen if my wife doesn't use the spouse's gun? The justification of such action is " emergency" or" noodtoestant." I don't foresee that you or your will be prosecuted because there will not a reasonable prospect of success. I comment on the hypothesis that a wife wants to protect herself or the life of her husband using her husband's gun. The reasonable wife will do precisely this. As I stated, common law precedes statutory law as far as legal justification is concerned, i.e. private defence or emergency. This is my meagre input
Murder? Your argument that she opens the safe to protect herself whilst her husband is the license holder is not legally plausible. I agree with the fact that you must adhere to the Arms Control Act, but by saying that, she will be charged with murder because opening this safe of her husband's guns is best to say unbelievably .
I see your point and I agree that the actual shooting would be justified, however the husband is still in contravention on the FCA by unlawfully allowing someone access to the firearm. It would be irresponsible for me to advise that clients first choice should be to take legal risks when a solution exists to put everyone in a much better position to defend themselves without getting into grey areas.
I think you may have misunderstood this section of the video. Accessing the firearm would certainly not make anyone guilty of murder. My argument is that having someone navigate a self defence encounter by using a firearm, who has not received training on the legalities around this may put them in a situation where they shoot someone for an unlawful purpose. Example, my wife sees someone breaking into her car in the driveway, retrieves my gun and empties a magazine into them from the kitchen window. Clearly not a justified shooting, but in her untrained mind, self defence.
While watching the video I had some questions and you answered all my questions in the solution section. Great video man thank you.
"whatever you weiros are up to nowadays!"🤣
😂😂 got to be inclusive man!
That's what I love about South Africa. Saying it out loud as if there is no legal implications. Lol
After hearing that line, I have to look at the comment section 😂
was going to comment the same. cheers mate.
Gotto love this oak "_
It's really shitty that we have to jump through all these hoops nowadays, even with the sharp rise in crime as it is
I agree. We should be empowering law abiding citizens, not making things harder.
You putting your spouse in a incredibly kak situation 😅😅 3:25 best line ever.
Keep up the good work bro.
We are here to support you.
Thank you so much! 😁
The focus is on the key(s) of that gun safe to always be in the possession/control of ONLY the gun owner. If I am at home and sick in bed even my UNDERAGE child can protect us? What makes it tricky is when a passenger and me are on the road and gets car trouble. It is in the middle of the night. My passenger is my wife, my underage child, a person in a wheel chair, my granny etc. While I am at the car fixing the problem (flat tyre) I can hand my gun to the passenger to protect us. NOW the car trouble is bigger and I need help. Now I have two options: 1. Leave the passenger unprotected and (forced by law) take my gun with me and seek help. 2.Send the passenger (unprotected) for help while my gun and me stay at the car. The law stipulates that the firearm should always be under the gun owner's control. This 'car trouble' is just one of more examples of a ridiculous law.
Thank you. Dual licensing sounds like the best idea 👍
I think it's a pretty pathetic law that someone can't use a firearm for self defense if the owner isn't there, and here's my reason for saying so (of course, the situation can be broad, but this is one scenario I can think of):
If I go out with friends but decide to leave my firearm at home, and my mom (not having a competency or license or being a co-owner) sees multiple people trying to kick the door in, all armed with machetes, that would mean I (and possibly my mom) would go to prison for a legitimate self-defense scenario if she were to use the firearm to defend herself.
I really believe we shouldn't need to co-license firearms, and should be allowed access to a family members safe in the event of a genuine emergency that requires firearm use for self defense without any loopholes to jump through. Maybe it's just me, but I feel like it's contradictory to our "right to life" and being "allowed to use anything to defend the life of yourself or others".
South Africa needs serious change to the firearms control act (in favor of people looking to obtain firearms for all legal purposes, of course)
Great video though! This is stuff I've had questions about, since I've been wanting to move out of South Africa and to America, and admittedly have been studying and am more clued up with their self-defense laws than I am South Africa's
I 100% agree with you man!
Its a pitty the competency process soo messed up over here otherwise I would have just convinced my loved ones to get a pre-owned revolver for like 2.5k-3k which I'll pay for and I'd have peace of mind.
@@Ty__02 Glad to know I'm not the only one who feels that way. If only us pro-gun (or at least, anyone looking to own a firearm legally) could form a group, be it online and/or in person to discuss and find ways to bring change for the better. I mean, South Africa's not getting any safer
@@NightL3gacy47 I think the competency process needs to be digitalized so its easier we dont wait so long but I think the overall process is good.We cant have lunatics having firearms.
@@NightL3gacy47 also the co-license would absolute be great that was a great suggestion man
You are very informative bro. Keep the videos coming
Thanks so much for watching and leaving a comment!
Thank for this information. I have been thinking about getting a firearm for a while but with everyone having their own opinion it can become demotivating to get one. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks for watching! I hope you got some value from the video!
Thanks for clearing up the question I never would've thought to ask out loud
Super informative video. Thanks so much for making it.
Thanks so much for watching!
Me and my wife has duel licenses on both our firearms, I have a Sec16 on her firearm of wich she has it licensed under Sec13, I did not think it was possible and took a chance and it was approved,🤞
I'm very glad to hear your licences were approved😁
My DFO also said I could do it like that Me on Sec16 and her on Sec13. Waiting for her Sec13 to be approved and then will do my application on Sec16.
Thank you for the clarity, keep up the good work.
Very informative as usual. Thanks Mark
Thanks Shaun!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great stuff Mark, was waiting for this video after our chat on Monday outside at the coffee shop 😅! Was nice meeting you brother! Keep it up!
It was great meeting you man!
Looking forward to have you in class!!
Great video mate..very informative
Great video! Super informative and answered a few questions.
Thanks for watching😁
You can defend yourself with the attacker's gun if you manage to wrestle it away from him, so using your spouse's gun isn't going to get you in trouble. UNLESS the shooting wasn't justified.
There are small details here that are very important.
Wrestling an attackers gun and using it to defend yourself, or using any other gun or weapon that was introduced to the situation, dead cop/spouse/attacker is perfectly lawful and reasonable.
Illegally gaining access to someones safe is different because technically an offence was committed. There is definitely a case to be made for necessity, however there are much better ways legally and tactically to circumvent this whole discussion.
The defensive shooting aspect may very well be lawful in either case.
The manner in which the firearm was obtained is a separate issue to the actual defence. Chances are small someone would be charged in this case, but not zero.
We are here to try and put our clients in the most legally and tactically empowered position possible.
Thanks for clearing that up 👍🙏
Great information as always. I recently got my license for self defence and i started carrying my pistol daily. However I noticed "Gun Free Zone" signs in front of businesses and shops. What does the law say regarding this? Am i allowed to carry or not in these areas?
Congrats on getting your gun!
This is a great question and I think we will do a video on the topic.
Only gun free zones declared y the minister are actually gun free zones.
Those "No guns allowed" signs you see outside banks and shopping centres are merely a request under the "right of admission reserved" clause.
Criminals use stolen guns , i doubt they have owners permission to shoot innocents.
Unrelated specifically to spousal defence tactics, quick question re defence in a home invasion scenario: I've noticed on vids of live feed from security cams in several instances that a trend with home invaders seems to be developing. 5 criminals enter the home, at the crucial initial stage. They enter single file at one point. First 3 are unarmed. Last 2 have hand guns. What would the likely legal fallout be if, in a totally dark scenario, where you encounter them in your home, seeing moving shapes (your loved ones are accounted for and you have hard evidence of forced entry), but not clearly visible weapons in their hands, you engage them, killing two. The remaining ones flee. When the lights are turned on, you find you have taken out 2 unarmed intruders. Your opinion on the legal situation, firstly, in this hypothetical scenario, would be appreciated, and secondly, how would it be best to handle this assuming that flight would not be possible at that point for the home defender. You cannot see weapons in their hands in the dark?
In short folks, "Yes", but remember there are always repercussions for ones actions be they positive, and or negative. Your duty as a firearms owner is to ensure that all actions are carried out within the ambit of the law. It is ridiculous how many people that have obtained a firearms licence have no clue on the FCA,the CPA and do not continue with training and or CPD and keep abreast with the latest developments and amendments to the Acts that govern responsible firearms ownership.
Too many people with ass-pull opinions on Gunsite and facebook confuses things that are actually very clear.
Keep the videos coming more frequently 😊
Thanks😁
We will do our best to keep up with regular meaningful content.
always awsome content man!!!
Thanks for the kind words😁
Thanks for the information, very interesting. Where can I find out more on the dual license? Cant seem to find it.
Feel free to reach out to us on 0215181222 or whatsapp 0717444633 or email info@gunlicence.co.za
Our team will be happy to give you more info on the process.
Thank you for this video. I noted the recommendations and agree with them. Your comment on this scenario:
What if the wife does not know where the keys are….
The wife has a competency, work for the army or police force….
She calls to advise you that excessive force is in progress, someone is shooting through windows…
Under your instructions, you direct them where to get keys for the safe to access the guy and respond appropriately.
Would you say the is lawful or unlawful?
Thanks for leaving the comment! In short, the same applies in this case as to that discussed in the video. There would likely still be legal fallout - whether your spouse operated under your instruction or out of their own intuition.
@@gunlicenceThank you very much.
Love this content,Thank you
Really appreciate the kind words😁
Just got a notification that my competency is approved. 6 months later. Not too bad. I was expecting waaaaay longer.
Ours took only 4 months.
Glad yours is approved.
Now the long wait for your license
Congratulations!
Thats epic news!
There is no science behind SAPS and the wait time is constantly changing.
6 months is currently a little on the long side, but definitely still "within spec"
Thank you for this information. My wife and I are planning to get our competencies thriugh Gunlicence. We will pay a visit to you soon. In the case of owning multiple firearms via the dedicated sportshooter licence, is it possible to have dual ownership for the guns?
I'm super happy to hear this😁
Provided you both reside at the same address and get the same category of licence, you can indeed get dual licenses for the firearms😁
Great information.
A question I would love answered is, "What are the legalities of a truck/backpack gun?" I hear about it all the time from American channels and I'm curious how it works in SA. Specifically for an AR15
Hey Ian! This is an interesting question. The FCA states that firearms may be carried in a rucksack/holder designed for the carrying of the firearm - so, you could essentially carry a semi-automatic rifle in your backpack as long as it is concealed and under your effective control. Regarding a "truck gun", keep in mind that the firearm must always be concealed in a public space. Driving around with an AR in your back window is not only unlawful but it can also make you more of a target for criminals 😂
Excellent video. Really appreciate your content and the information you are sharing.
Thanks so much for watching😁🙏
Thank you for that
Good to know, Thank You
Veru informative,Thanks.
So much insight information. In a case where firearm(s) are under business purpose, can she still use it for self defense in a case of a life threatening situation under a permit issued by the responsible party? Please advise on the matter. Otherwise, Great channel!! Keep us informed and let's all remain LEGALLY strapped.
Thanks😁
Depending on the circumstances, she may be able to use the firearm, provided the firearm is under the lawful control of the permit holder.
Can you do a video regarding when you get pulled over what laws are inforced and how many mags are you allowed to carry should the mags be to capacity just the general?
Because I got pulled over last night the officer asked if I have a firearm and I said yes he asked for my lisence and followed by how many rounds I have in the mag
I said to him 15 and he asked me to show him so then we realised that there were only 14 and he accused me of shooting someone he took my firearm
And said that we going to have to take it to the magistrate but I clean my gun weekly and I forgot to put in the 15th round but in a way he gave me my firearm back
What would happen if you had kids at home and they needed to defend themselves, can you get a junior license or something or do you have to live in a dangerous enough area for them to allow it, obviously you dont want your kids home alone but sometimes its not possible to bring them with you, its especially sucky that our laws are now for 21 years old, and younger than that isnt allowed to have a gun (unless things are different again), if my mom or dad were to own a gun could my younger, older sister and I get some sort of license or something to be allowed to use it, or would we have to stick to a paintball gun with plastics and or pepper balls.
My partner is British, can she as a non-resident obtain a firearm license? NO. so i travel extensively, how can she protect herself !!! throwing a watermelon at the perpetrator is probably going to piss him or her off even more, and she can't throw him off a five-story building, because ours is only two stories. Jokes aside, it's a Kak situation to be in. Government is happy to take her money here in SA, but she cannot use a firearm. Advice please?!
I totally get your frustration!
I would advise securing your property with multiples security layers and linking up with the best security company in your area. Have a look at
- Electric fencing
- Beams
- Security gates
- cameras
- Panic button
Also have her get 3 security companies on speed dial.
Private security are waaaay better that SAPS.
You could in the past get a section 21 permit which was valid for one year and anyone could get one regardless of if you even lived here or not. Not sure they are still being approved or applications being accepted though, also havent seen talk of section 21 permits in a few years eithers. I could be mistaken but I vaguely remember that you didnt even need a competency for a section 21 permit.
Hopefully someone can correct me if I'm wrong
I have 5 saves. one in my bedroom, one in the passage , two in the workshop an d one in my house next door. So, the most important firearms are in the bedroom. So what now; my wife have access to my save at all times.
There is nothing wrong with having several safes.
In fact, I think it has several advantages.
Unfortunately the Firearms Control Act states that only you may have access to your firearms.
It is fine for you and your wife to have access to a shared safe, but you can't have any firearms in that safe.
What you do in your own time in none of my business. I am just advising what the FCA states.
With regard to dual licensing, what happens in the event of a separation or divorce? Will the other lose their gun license automatically or does that have to be explicitly stated in writing during the separation?
What about the grown children, can they be allowed to access and use the fire arm under the dual license?
If you Wife is the "Main" License holder and you applied as an Additional License Holder, my DFO Stated when you leave the house (AKA not your primary residence, Devorce) you will loose your License (Additional) as the requirements for your license was that you must be living in the same house.
Wrestling an attackers gun from him means the possession of the firearm was reasonable and lawful.
Illegally obtaining a gun from someone's safe is different.
The shooting may be justified in both circumstances, however there is a big difference in the way the gun was obtained.
What about the spare key to the safe? How does that work must i hide it somewhere only i know about it?
That is a good question and almost a paradoxical one😅
The FCA simply states that you must have control of your keys at all times. There is no exact instruction to do with your spare key.
They leave this up to you, but we have seen people get section 102'd (declared unfit) where a firearm has been stolen out of a safe when the spare key was found.
One question , what is a "jual licence"
Should that not be "dual licence"
It is indeed a Dual licence. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
Yes. If the threat is there, going to jail for defending life is worth it.
The solution is to make sure that your wife is proficient with one particular firearm. Make sure that she is proficient in the law around self defence. PLACE THAT FIREARM IN A PIN CODE SAFE. ‘’Never divulge the PIN code to her”. If she finds herself in a desperate need to defend herself she would be justified in ‘’guessing’’ your PIN code a few times. Who knows she might know you or your birthdate well enough to get it right. Know most of those legal arguments around storage and access are addressed.
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Better for your spouse to have competency and if possible own their own fire arm.
100%
Does it matter though?
So what if you are married in community of property??
Yes
Is this not a contradiction..."you may use anything to protect or defend yourself"...so, the wife grabs my weapon when I am not around...how is that illegal..?
It is illegal for her to have access to your firearm if it doesn't take place under your direct supervision.
It does seem like a bit of a contradiction. The catch here is that your firearm can't be at her disposal due to the Firearms Control Act.
the legal test is whether or not there was intent and/or a victim. You touching my gun while I'm in another room isn't a crime.
What would the legal ramifications be if you were away, your wife calls to say there are intruders in the house and you tell her where the spare key is / combination for the safe so that she can defend herself?
You would be subject to the same legal issues as those discussed in the video. The decision is very personal - would facing the legal fallout afterwards be the lesser of two evils?
so a scenario. There is a home invasion, the perpetrators are armed, they are trying to break into the front and back doors. I have 2 guns but can only cover one door, my wife is licenced, but can shoot. I give her my 2nd firearm to cover the back door.
What happens when she shoots someone in this scenario?
Are car safes legal.
There is a little known section in the law that allows for a car safe, provided that it is SABS approved and installed by an accredited installer.
Gunnery Arms sells the Pangolin series of car safes - 0215181222
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Question, Is it possible for my wife to have her own gun and me to have one but dual license them both? Like I co-license her's and she on mine?
You can dual license each others firearms.
the law is SA is, you either die or go to jail.
If the owner of a gun passes away, lets say your father, how do you discard of their weapon?
You have 2 options. The first would be to take the necessary steps to license the firearm (anybody can take the steps to apply for the firearm). The second option would be to have the firearm sold/booked in at a gun shop. Please reach out to us via WhatsApp on 071 744 4633 for the specifics 🙂
EVERY man who owns a firearm has a wife who also knows where the keys are held. I don't know anyone who hides their keys from their wives.
So for 10 guns i need 10 safes 😂😂😂😂
If you have 10 firearms licensed to your name, then you may have 1 safe for all those firearms. Additional safes are only applicable when a spouse/partner/family member have their own firearms licensed to their name. The licence holder of any firearm is the only person allowed access to their safe 🙂
What type of license do u need to own a LM5
You would typically license a semi auto rifle, such as an LM5 under dedicated sport, section 16.
We did a video on this some time back😁
@@gunlicence thanks for feed back I'll look for that video must u be part of club or can u go as individual and what is best aquire such weopenry sport license or collecter
Not in SA. Only thee owner allowed access and to use the gun. She'll have to get her own gun.
Don't talk kak. if the defense was lawful, it doesn't matter what you used or whether you had permission to use it. You are right that she should have her own gun though.
Why is saps taking so long to issue a firearm licence
I applied for a handgun licence from 2021 till now no reply
Or sms
Still waiting
That is waaay longer than usual.
I would follow up with your DFO and see if the licence wasn't issued without letting you know.
Sometimes they lose applications.
If this was a renewal, they do take way longer because your licence remains valid while they process the application.
My wife is a police officer. If someone break in to our house unlawfully and intends to kill us can I opt to use her gun instead of mine. Let's say the gun it in a bedside stand.
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Thanks so much for the kind words😁
Thanks a lot. Stay stuif!!!
Thanks for watching!
What if my wife has a licensed firearm, and we share a safe? Which means she has the key and I have a key, but she uses my firearm to defend herself because her firearm for whatever reason is at the Gunsmith?
Good question.
Each firearm licence holder needs to have their own safe. So according to the FCA, you may not share a safe.
Oh, okay, that makes sense. Thank you for the prompt response.
Legally an issue, must be a dedicated safe unless dual licenced via s12
Wait is this live?
@@FrostBravo This was the premiere.
😅oh thanks but man can you talk about firearms competency for business purposes
@FrostBravo all good😅
We can definitely discuss this. I think I might do a few short live videos on this and similar topics. Be sure to subscribe and turn on notifications.
Very poor advice.
I would love to hear your opinion on this.
The common law has precedent to any other legislation. Change the question: what will happen if my wife doesn't use the spouse's gun?
The justification of such action is " emergency" or" noodtoestant." I don't foresee that you or your will be prosecuted because there will not a reasonable prospect of success. I comment on the hypothesis that a wife wants to protect herself or the life of her husband using her husband's gun. The reasonable wife will do precisely this. As I stated, common law precedes statutory law as far as legal justification is concerned, i.e. private defence or emergency. This is my meagre input
Murder? Your argument that she opens the safe to protect herself whilst her husband is the license holder is not legally plausible. I agree with the fact that you must adhere to the Arms Control Act, but by saying that, she will be charged with murder because opening this safe of her husband's guns is best to say unbelievably .
I see your point and I agree that the actual shooting would be justified, however the husband is still in contravention on the FCA by unlawfully allowing someone access to the firearm.
It would be irresponsible for me to advise that clients first choice should be to take legal risks when a solution exists to put everyone in a much better position to defend themselves without getting into grey areas.
I think you may have misunderstood this section of the video.
Accessing the firearm would certainly not make anyone guilty of murder.
My argument is that having someone navigate a self defence encounter by using a firearm, who has not received training on the legalities around this may put them in a situation where they shoot someone for an unlawful purpose.
Example, my wife sees someone breaking into her car in the driveway, retrieves my gun and empties a magazine into them from the kitchen window. Clearly not a justified shooting, but in her untrained mind, self defence.
Yes because the criminal is using someone els' gun. Equal rights nêh.