@@USPSArtoria Emiya-gohan is adapted from a manga though, from what has been known so far the author of it just wanted it to stay as a normal slice of life manga so it could totally doesn't have any connection with HA.
Wouldn’t it be something if they didn’t put Prisma Illya on the list because the Miyuverse was going down the path of becoming a dead end for humanity, and since the Illyaverse and Miyuverse are connected they both fall under the pruning theoretical phenomenon. They could even do an FGO event where we have to try and help find Darius to prevent it from being pruned.
Wait a minute. Explain this to me more. From what I remember in fgo pruning is when the earth starts erasing alternate universes. So is the reason why miyu’s world dying because of that????
@@mikederdrache3305 no, Miyuverse is just a world that's dying and if it can't recover or keep moving to the future then it will be pruned. Similar to Note or the World of Extra(which stagnates but as the result of Hakuno winning the HGW has the ability to move toward the future still)
@@mikederdrache3305 The world prunes realities it sees as dead ends for humanity. I’m just saying that we can correlate that to what is happening in the Miyuverse. One can argue that because Pandora never opened the box in that world, humanity has no “hope” since that’s what is supposed to be at the bottom of the box. We could also say that because Darius basically hijacked Pandora’s box by displacing himself in it, the box will not function properly until he is removed from it. This is all just theory crafting of course.
The only way I can place Kaleid anywhere on a timeline that would make sense with Illya and Shirou's ages would be that everything up to before zero is exactly the same but Illya is born around 7-8 years later than in the main timeline and Kiritsugu decides to escape with Iri before it starts by practically erasing every other Einzbern off the map before the 4th grail war starts. How did they adopt Shirou in this timeline? Fuck if I know, I blame Akasha. Or maybe I should blame Alaya? Hm...
Nah Illya is definitely older than Shirou. Chloe confirmed this given that she've seen the Einzbern castle and Kiritsugu decision to dismantle the HGW. Chloe is the hint of how Illya is mentally 12 yo because Illya isn't. Chloe is the missing 4 years of Illya life, a memory that got sealed. Illya basically got her memory wiped and started as blank slate again at one point. Now the bigger question is can Illya actually grow old or is she a forever loli? It's possible that as she got older she'll have to face the truth that her body are forever stuck in her current phase... or it's also possible that Iri and Kerry readjusted her physical growth after they dismantled the Einzbern which in the process sealed her memory (Chloe)
Akasha doesn't care (see Void Shiki's attitude), Gaia is chilling in the Avalon, and Alaya is prolly planning something nefarious (if I had a nickel for every white haired tanned Counter Guardian, I'd have two nickels. Not much but Alaya clearly has a refined taste😏)
@@JeSt4m I went and speed-read 2wei to confirm it but Chloe states she's been aware of everything while being sealed for 10 years, meaning Illya got her memory tampered pretty soon after she was born, since we know Illya is somewhere around 10 at the start of Kaleid and she turns 11 in 2wei. And from Zero we know that Kiritsugu spent at least 9 years with the Einzbern before the war started, 1 to make Illya with Iri, and 8 years watching Illya grow and preparing himself for the war. So the only logical reason I can think as to why Illya is younger than Shirou in Kaleid is that she was born much later than in the Z/SN timeline. So either The Einzbern hired Kiritusu a year before the war started, or it took Kirtsugu and Iri 8 years to conceive Illya before they decided to run away from the war. (Leys and Sella are technically mass produced, it wouldn't surprise me if the Einzbern had a few more similar to them over the years between Zero and Stay Night.) And the brief flashback of a young Shirou cooking for the first time shows an even younger Illya that is at most 4 years old. So yeah, she was at the very least capable of growing during her infancy, and she probably will continue to grow since Grandpa Einzbern didn't get a chance to modify her body to the same extents as in Stay Night.
I know this is fate focused but I wish it went deeper so we got to see stuff like Kara no kyoukai and tsukihime. And then for the memes, carnival phantasm and that emiya cooking show too cause why not
OMG!!! Now that you bought up Bazzet, I always thought that she was Sola from Fate/Zero, every time I see her on the screen i would be very confused, now that i remembered her name (Sola), it all became clear now to me and i feel so stupid, like i just had the realization of my life for a moment😂
Because Charlemagne is so much cooler, Karl the Great just sounds like another boring unnotable leader in history, but Charlemagne. *Charlemagne* gives of such legendary vibes akin to King Arthur, it makes him sound like a way more important historical figure. There are lots of Karl’s but Charlemagne is more unique and special sounding.
The most bizarre thing to me, is that CCC, the most Fanfic-y Fate Story of all, is actually canon even though it doesn't have any real connection to the other Extra games.
@@JeSt4m But what about the time travel? If they fix that event than it will stop being a lostbelt? Also are you in the most recent chapters of Kaleid? I'm scared of saying something that can be a spoiler.
@@extremeotakugamer yeah Kaleid is really great lorewise.. absurdly deep for a yuri loli mahou shojo spinoff. Lostbelt on the other hand is not fixable simply because they're not supposed to be observeable. The way nasuverse works is that at one point the world will not keep record of lostbelt and thus it theoritically nothing existed to be observed (by second magic etc) past that cut off point. In FGO Lostbelt exist as simulation from fantasy tree that resumed this cut off point. Miyuverse are most likely a lostbelt candidate but still before it's cutoff point. If say Darius succeeded being the cut off point then the timeline will be split between 2 possibility : World A where Darius succeeded which is a lostbelt and World B where Illya succeeded in preventing Darius and the world continued on as proper history. World A will no longer be recorded by Akasha and cease to exist. GudaGuda and servant universe on the other hand is still ambiguous. Afterall originally they came from gag series that are basically elaborated april fools joke. However servantverse earth LITERALLY got destroyed and Guda world seems to be related to servantverse which is why I believe it's an lostbelt... or maybe it's a joke that overstayed it welcome
@@USPSArtoria in hollow ataraxia (the sequel to the 5th war), rin does some fucked time dimension shit that accidentally combines parts of all three routes together effectively making them all canon, but really it's just an amalgamation of parts of all three endings combined
Read the fucking Novel or watch what ever you think looks good. I started with Carnival Phantasm and I know more Lore now than most people that watched the recommended order
This makes no sense the entire thing. Are they reincarnations? Why is there different versions of Gilgamesh? Why are there different characters and different grails?
Let's not forget Neco Arc the Movie is canon in Hollow Ataraxia
Real shit
@jtjtmitrbro say islamic word but being lghdtv part💀
@@ranggars_Maybe he's trolling, Maybe...
hey can you please tell me where I can what hollow ataraxia🥺🥺
Ill never get bored of watching fate timeline explanation videos lol
It's a new video every time lol
Same
Same Lmao
The more I read of requiem the more I want an adaptation the fucking idea that everyone gets a servant is cool as shit.
WW3 with servants is something I’ve been wanting forever
Today's Menu for the Emiya Family not on the timeline smh...
well it can be considered part of hollow ataraxia
@@USPSArtoria fr?
@@USPSArtoria Thing is I've read HA, and I didn't even realize lmao.
@@USPSArtoria Emiya-gohan is adapted from a manga though, from what has been known so far the author of it just wanted it to stay as a normal slice of life manga so it could totally doesn't have any connection with HA.
Gigguk literally made a 30 minute video trying to make this and they just hand it out to us now. Absolutely amazing!!
I just saw the flow chart a couple of minutes ago and look who posted to save the day
Can u link the flow chart please? I cant find it
Please give us link of it
Wouldn’t it be something if they didn’t put Prisma Illya on the list because the Miyuverse was going down the path of becoming a dead end for humanity, and since the Illyaverse and Miyuverse are connected they both fall under the pruning theoretical phenomenon. They could even do an FGO event where we have to try and help find Darius to prevent it from being pruned.
Wait a minute. Explain this to me more. From what I remember in fgo pruning is when the earth starts erasing alternate universes. So is the reason why miyu’s world dying because of that????
@@mikederdrache3305 no, Miyuverse is just a world that's dying and if it can't recover or keep moving to the future then it will be pruned. Similar to Note or the World of Extra(which stagnates but as the result of Hakuno winning the HGW has the ability to move toward the future still)
@@mikederdrache3305 The world prunes realities it sees as dead ends for humanity. I’m just saying that we can correlate that to what is happening in the Miyuverse. One can argue that because Pandora never opened the box in that world, humanity has no “hope” since that’s what is supposed to be at the bottom of the box. We could also say that because Darius basically hijacked Pandora’s box by displacing himself in it, the box will not function properly until he is removed from it. This is all just theory crafting of course.
The only way I can place Kaleid anywhere on a timeline that would make sense with Illya and Shirou's ages would be that everything up to before zero is exactly the same but Illya is born around 7-8 years later than in the main timeline and Kiritsugu decides to escape with Iri before it starts by practically erasing every other Einzbern off the map before the 4th grail war starts.
How did they adopt Shirou in this timeline? Fuck if I know, I blame Akasha. Or maybe I should blame Alaya? Hm...
Nah Illya is definitely older than Shirou. Chloe confirmed this given that she've seen the Einzbern castle and Kiritsugu decision to dismantle the HGW. Chloe is the hint of how Illya is mentally 12 yo because Illya isn't. Chloe is the missing 4 years of Illya life, a memory that got sealed. Illya basically got her memory wiped and started as blank slate again at one point.
Now the bigger question is can Illya actually grow old or is she a forever loli? It's possible that as she got older she'll have to face the truth that her body are forever stuck in her current phase... or it's also possible that Iri and Kerry readjusted her physical growth after they dismantled the Einzbern which in the process sealed her memory (Chloe)
Akasha doesn't care (see Void Shiki's attitude), Gaia is chilling in the Avalon, and Alaya is prolly planning something nefarious (if I had a nickel for every white haired tanned Counter Guardian, I'd have two nickels. Not much but Alaya clearly has a refined taste😏)
@@JeSt4m I went and speed-read 2wei to confirm it but Chloe states she's been aware of everything while being sealed for 10 years, meaning Illya got her memory tampered pretty soon after she was born, since we know Illya is somewhere around 10 at the start of Kaleid and she turns 11 in 2wei.
And from Zero we know that Kiritsugu spent at least 9 years with the Einzbern before the war started, 1 to make Illya with Iri, and 8 years watching Illya grow and preparing himself for the war.
So the only logical reason I can think as to why Illya is younger than Shirou in Kaleid is that she was born much later than in the Z/SN timeline. So either The Einzbern hired Kiritusu a year before the war started, or it took Kirtsugu and Iri 8 years to conceive Illya before they decided to run away from the war.
(Leys and Sella are technically mass produced, it wouldn't surprise me if the Einzbern had a few more similar to them over the years between Zero and Stay Night.)
And the brief flashback of a young Shirou cooking for the first time shows an even younger Illya that is at most 4 years old. So yeah, she was at the very least capable of growing during her infancy, and she probably will continue to grow since Grandpa Einzbern didn't get a chance to modify her body to the same extents as in Stay Night.
@@QruisS thanks for confirming
And now the mystery deepens..
Gigguk your sacrifice wont be in vain.
Fate's finally got an official timeline a la Zeldas. We made it.
I know this is fate focused but I wish it went deeper so we got to see stuff like Kara no kyoukai and tsukihime. And then for the memes, carnival phantasm and that emiya cooking show too cause why not
OMG!!!
Now that you bought up Bazzet, I always thought that she was Sola from Fate/Zero, every time I see her on the screen i would be very confused, now that i remembered her name (Sola), it all became clear now to me and i feel so stupid, like i just had the realization of my life for a moment😂
Sometimes i think Fate Redline is a Squal to Fate UBW
Can someone drop a link for that english translated flow chart?
Still waiting patiently for the Don't sleep on Shishou video 😊
Lets be real we need a protype anime
man i love me sum fate
Don't sleep on morgan/Oberon video plz
For me as german its always weird how americans call karl the great by the french name
Denke ich mir auch jedes Mal. 😂 Aber ich finde den Namen Charlemagne viel besser. Klingt halt im Kontext deutlich cooler als Karl the great.
@jtjtmitr mhmmm, sorry to hear that. 😅🙈 In that case I think, that Karl is a really fitting name for a heroic spirit. 😅
Because Charlemagne is so much cooler, Karl the Great just sounds like another boring unnotable leader in history, but Charlemagne. *Charlemagne* gives of such legendary vibes akin to King Arthur, it makes him sound like a way more important historical figure. There are lots of Karl’s but Charlemagne is more unique and special sounding.
@@Tystolfo its litterally just the samd word just in french
@@wallycastagnir Yes but that’s not the point, Charlemagne sounds cooler than Karl. Doesn’t matter if they mean the same thing, they sound different.
HOW? How on earth am I supposed to memorize all this?!!!
That's the neat thing, you don't
I’m pretty sure even if anyone understand it now , they’ll eventually forget all about it sooner or later and become confused yet again 😂
It's just so fascinating. It's difficult not to want to consume every piece of work and understand it fully and 100% the natsuverse is so gd good.
Ain't no way
They actually did it
I need the link to That Archer Emiya art in your thumbnail!! Please!!!
requesting for a don't sleep on ozymandias day 43
requesting for a don't sleep on ozymandias day 44
Attempt 10 of asking you to do a video on white wolf's world of darkness.
This is some confusing shit.
So this is fate.
The most bizarre thing to me, is that CCC, the most Fanfic-y Fate Story of all, is actually canon even though it doesn't have any real connection to the other Extra games.
where is foxtail!!!!!!
@@USPSArtoria Fate/Extra DIVERGES from the 1970s and takes place in 2030.
Guess this does not include Samurai Remnant which is around 1650.
obviously remnant didn't exist when this came out
Fate makes my head hurt
Bro why do you keep uploading what I'm currently researching. Thanks bro
Why they didn't put Redline and Kaleid in the timeline?
They are so good!
page space issue probably
also Redline is definitely something like a lostbelt.
@@JeSt4m Really? Why? Are you reading redline and Kaleid manga?
@@extremeotakugamer yes
Redline happens in Gudaguda world and as far as I know that and servant universe is not part of pan human history
@@JeSt4m But what about the time travel?
If they fix that event than it will stop being a lostbelt?
Also are you in the most recent chapters of Kaleid? I'm scared of saying something that can be a spoiler.
@@extremeotakugamer yeah Kaleid is really great lorewise.. absurdly deep for a yuri loli mahou shojo spinoff.
Lostbelt on the other hand is not fixable simply because they're not supposed to be observeable. The way nasuverse works is that at one point the world will not keep record of lostbelt and thus it theoritically nothing existed to be observed (by second magic etc) past that cut off point.
In FGO Lostbelt exist as simulation from fantasy tree that resumed this cut off point. Miyuverse are most likely a lostbelt candidate but still before it's cutoff point. If say Darius succeeded being the cut off point then the timeline will be split between 2 possibility : World A where Darius succeeded which is a lostbelt and World B where Illya succeeded in preventing Darius and the world continued on as proper history. World A will no longer be recorded by Akasha and cease to exist.
GudaGuda and servant universe on the other hand is still ambiguous. Afterall originally they came from gag series that are basically elaborated april fools joke. However servantverse earth LITERALLY got destroyed and Guda world seems to be related to servantverse which is why I believe it's an lostbelt... or maybe it's a joke that overstayed it welcome
So Hollow Ateraxia is the sequel that isn't a sequel?
anyone have link for emiya pic in the thumbnail ?
Yeah but wheres Night at The Museum?
No idea what i just watched but ok
Surprised Notes isnt on the timeline.
Hum, maybe I'm wrong but you made it sound like Heaven's feel is the canon route of Fate/Stay Night, is it official ?
@@USPSArtoria in hollow ataraxia (the sequel to the 5th war), rin does some fucked time dimension shit that accidentally combines parts of all three routes together effectively making them all canon, but really it's just an amalgamation of parts of all three endings combined
I consider UBW as the canon route, but all 3 are probably equally as canon
Actually the Fate route is the correction of Archers timeline (since he comes from the normal end) UBW just elaborates on WHY he is who he is lol
I'm aware of all that, but it was the emphasis on HF here that surprised me.
WAT?
Now where should I start to watch Fate?
Guys how do we tell him 💀
Read the fucking Novel or watch what ever you think looks good. I started with Carnival Phantasm and I know more Lore now than most people that watched the recommended order
Read the Pronologue of the VN.
Where can I see this flow time chart ?
This makes no sense the entire thing. Are they reincarnations? Why is there different versions of Gilgamesh? Why are there different characters and different grails?
This franchise is a hot mess jeez
First
This. Was alot man