That is NOT true. The FACT is that all wavelengths need direct skin contact for MAXIMUM penetration. The inverse square law clearly shows that the farther away you move from the skin the less penetration there is. But, you need to stay above the skin with an infected wood or some other type of skin infection.
That is correct. Also, 980nm is used to target a different chromophore (water), which is another mechanism involved in PBM. See doctor Gerald Pollack and his book ‘the fourth phase of water’.
@@imperfectillustration6261 But 980 has a problem. In higher doses it gets hot. So doses must be lower, so it is MUCH slower to get physiological results.
In terms of deep penetration, 810 is best. In terms of skin, 660 is best. HOWEVER, the majority of 810 nm photons are absorbed by the skin, so 810 is good for skin as well. The problem is that 633, 645, 850 nm diodes are CHEAP and 810 nm diodes are more expensive (810 are REALLY expensive), so manufacturers us the cheap ones and claim they are the best. But, research supports 810 and 660.. Any wavelength works but the higher the power, the more one wants 810 and 660 because they are both COOL and DEEP. At higher power the 850 and above get too hot. That is one reason that low power units use 633 and 850 as they are cheap.
Marisa - most of the panels are grow lights marketed as healing lights. The problem is that standing a few inches to a few feet away DRAMATICALLY lowers the penetration. For example 6 inches away is 1/10 the dose of direct contact.
Thanks for this helpful info. Can you Please provide tips about where and what to buy and for which body part? Some say the head is the best and somehow triggers mitochondria in other regions as well.
Studies show even just treating the brain provides the same benefits as full body treatrments. The main thing in choosing a unit is to buy one that is powerful. Low dose units take too long to be used on a regular basis.
830 and 850 are very cheap. It is MUCH more expensive to buy 810s. We buy 810s because they are cooler and deeper penetrating. We used 840 for a number of years but when we increased the power to 20,000 mW, we need to go to 810 to reduce heat.
Hey Dr. what are your thoughts on yellow and purple LED light therapy? Are they as effective as they claim? Purple supposedly supports scarring and yellow eliminates facial redness. I recently got a machine and I’m just now finding this video!
The problem with those two wavelengths is they do not have deep penetration. There are studies of these wavelengths and others like blue and they conclude that they are good wavelengths but the advantage over red and infrared is very minimals. So, they do help but they are very ineffective with other types of healing and pain.
I am trying to decide between 2 devices. Below is the breakdown of wavelengths. Which would you choose for fat loss, skin, eyes, general health? A or B? A.) Irradiance 137, 450 LED lights. ≈4% 450nm (disinfectant) ≈4% 610nm, ≈4% 630nm, ≈4% 810nm, ≈4% 830nm, ≈40% 660nm, ≈40% 850nm B.) Irradiance 87. 300 LED lights. 25% 630 25% 660 17% 810 16% 830 17% 850
@@curtisturchin3416 I have a Platinum Led Biomax 450, spec say 180mw/cm2. I have been using it for extended duration, I usually do 10-15 minutes front body, 10-15 minutes back, 5-10 minutes back of the neck, 5-10 minutes forehead (while covering eyes), 5 minutes eyes from far away (while closed), and sometimes 5-10 minutes of mouth and teeth. When I do the forehead and back of the neck, I try to be as close as comfortably possible. I have noticed improvements in all areas, even my vision has improved. I don't feel any bad side effects but after watching your videos I am concerned that I might be overdoing it, are there any serious dangers and what are they?
@@curtisturchin3416 Thank you for the insight. I would love to see more long form content from you, there are very few experts on this and you seem super knowledgeable.
The confusion only increases when doctors promote red light as NIR radiation NIR states officially at 750 no however old standards had NIR starting at 700 nm
Technically that is true. But most IR devices appear to somewhat red as well. Let's face it, that is easier for people's brains. They are not technical.
Everything I say is based on data. But most people just want the facts and do not want me to list journal citations for everything. If you wajnt date for something let me know. EmaIl me as I cannot load attachments here.
Straight to the point and simple- THANK YOU for this video!!! 🙏
I ve read that 810 nm wavelenght unfolds its potential and achieves all these benefits only when treated in contact with the skin.
That is NOT true. The FACT is that all wavelengths need direct skin contact for MAXIMUM penetration. The inverse square law clearly shows that the farther away you move from the skin the less penetration there is. But, you need to stay above the skin with an infected wood or some other type of skin infection.
That is correct. Also, 980nm is used to target a different chromophore (water), which is another mechanism involved in PBM. See doctor Gerald Pollack and his book ‘the fourth phase of water’.
@@imperfectillustration6261 But 980 has a problem. In higher doses it gets hot. So doses must be lower, so it is MUCH slower to get physiological results.
Then which wavelength is best or good for no contact?
Does 810 build collagen ?
Yes
I saw research saying 633 and 850 was the best for skin. That's why I came to this video because I also saw study saying 810 and 660
In terms of deep penetration, 810 is best. In terms of skin, 660 is best. HOWEVER, the majority of 810 nm photons are absorbed by the skin, so 810 is good for skin as well. The problem is that 633, 645, 850 nm diodes are CHEAP and 810 nm diodes are more expensive (810 are REALLY expensive), so manufacturers us the cheap ones and claim they are the best. But, research supports 810 and 660.. Any wavelength works but the higher the power, the more one wants 810 and 660 because they are both COOL and DEEP. At higher power the 850 and above get too hot. That is one reason that low power units use 633 and 850 as they are cheap.
Do you recommend any panels?
Marisa - most of the panels are grow lights marketed as healing lights. The problem is that standing a few inches to a few feet away DRAMATICALLY lowers the penetration. For example 6 inches away is 1/10 the dose of direct contact.
What about 1060? Platinum LED just came out with 1060. 4% of the light panel dedicated to that wave. What about 850?
1060 produces more heat so it is less penetrating. 850 is better.
Plants use two different specific wavelengths for photosynthesis I and II, For animals / humans wavelength and dose must be important
Research documents that 810 and 660 (or something close to that) are the most effective wavelength for deep penetration and low heat output.
Thanks for this helpful info. Can you Please provide tips about where and what to buy and for which body part? Some say the head is the best and somehow triggers mitochondria in other regions as well.
Studies show even just treating the brain provides the same benefits as full body treatrments. The main thing in choosing a unit is to buy one that is powerful. Low dose units take too long to be used on a regular basis.
A lot of modern devices has 830 or 850 - is it a good approximation of 810? Why are they doing 830/850 so frequently? Cheers!
830 and 850 are very cheap. It is MUCH more expensive to buy 810s. We buy 810s because they are cooler and deeper penetrating. We used 840 for a number of years but when we increased the power to 20,000 mW, we need to go to 810 to reduce heat.
830 and 850 are cheaper than 810.
Hey Dr. what are your thoughts on yellow and purple LED light therapy? Are they as effective as they claim? Purple supposedly supports scarring and yellow eliminates facial redness. I recently got a machine and I’m just now finding this video!
The problem with those two wavelengths is they do not have deep penetration. There are studies of these wavelengths and others like blue and they conclude that they are good wavelengths but the advantage over red and infrared is very minimals. So, they do help but they are very ineffective with other types of healing and pain.
Hi Dr. If you use 810 alone , do you still get the skin benefits from 660 ? Or do you need 660 for skin benefits?
810 still treats the skin
I am trying to decide between 2 devices. Below is the breakdown of wavelengths. Which would you choose for fat loss, skin, eyes, general health? A or B?
A.) Irradiance 137, 450 LED lights.
≈4% 450nm (disinfectant)
≈4% 610nm,
≈4% 630nm,
≈4% 810nm,
≈4% 830nm,
≈40% 660nm,
≈40% 850nm
B.) Irradiance 87. 300 LED lights.
25% 630
25% 660
17% 810
16% 830
17% 850
The one with the most optical power. Even the right wavelength, if underpowered, is ineffective.
B
Is treating the frontal cortex for a long time (more than 30 seconds) dangerous?
Which unit do you have? How many milliwatts?
@@curtisturchin3416 I have a Platinum Led Biomax 450, spec say 180mw/cm2. I have been using it for extended duration, I usually do 10-15 minutes front body, 10-15 minutes back, 5-10 minutes back of the neck, 5-10 minutes forehead (while covering eyes), 5 minutes eyes from far away (while closed), and sometimes 5-10 minutes of mouth and teeth.
When I do the forehead and back of the neck, I try to be as close as comfortably possible. I have noticed improvements in all areas, even my vision has improved.
I don't feel any bad side effects but after watching your videos I am concerned that I might be overdoing it, are there any serious dangers and what are they?
It is not dangerous but to be really effective, treat the carotid arteries and the gut instead of doing more on the forehead.
@@curtisturchin3416 Thank you for the insight. I would love to see more long form content from you, there are very few experts on this and you seem super knowledgeable.
@@tsotnetunes Good suggestion. In about one month I will start producing a new video every week. I just have been way too busy. Thank you!
Would you buy a device that only had 660 and 850?
Sure, as long as it has sufficient power.
The confusion only increases when doctors promote red light as NIR radiation NIR states officially at 750 no however old standards had NIR starting at 700 nm
Technically that is true. But most IR devices appear to somewhat red as well. Let's face it, that is easier for people's brains. They are not technical.
I'm gonna open my panel and switch out some diodes to 810 nm.
That will help.
What wavelength should I use to help heal anal fissure
810 and 660 are best but if one, 810. However, any IR or red wavelength is better than nothing
You present no data to back up your statements.
Everything I say is based on data. But most people just want the facts and do not want me to list journal citations for everything. If you wajnt date for something let me know. EmaIl me as I cannot load attachments here.