Mbeki, Zuma and Ramaphosa make closing election arguments
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- In today’s episode, we explore statements by 3 South African presidents on the eve if the election-Thabo Mbeki, Jacob Zuma and Cyril Ramaphosa.
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Your channel kept us updated on road to 2024 elections. Thank you so much, brother 🙏
Thank you for watching! 🙏🏽
Very informative. Like the programme
Felt very grown and informed. It really made me more curious about politics and the governing of the country.
I have to say, as an eff member i thought your show was going to be doing eff left ,right and centre. You have proven wrong. And its a great thing. This is a complement. Excellent work Dr Mpofu.
The ANC is shameless and dishonest
Did the ANC disappear after the first 15 years? Were they tied up in some back room in Parliament while these sinister forces rampaged? No, they were in charge and partying along just as happily as the so-called counter revolutionaries were.
You can not argue the facts. Since Mbeki's presidency, the country has been in an economic downward spiral thanks to Zuma and now Ramaphosa. The only way out of this mess to to rally behind a centre-right party, and get rid of the ANC. The ANC of Mbeki's era is gone and will never return. A vote for the ANC, MK, EFF, GOOD, PA, etc., is a vote for further decay. Our future hinges on a thriving economy, and none of the previously mentioned parties can deliver that. This country will never realise its potential as long aa the ANC is involved, they are a self-serving band of criminals.
@@LonelyTreeSunset Keep on dreaming, it's your right to, just as everybody has a right to carve their path. Voting is voising out one's path.
Zuptha belongs in jail
The ANC doesn't even know how to spell INTEGRITY 🙄
@@LonelyTreeSunsetwow well said and the parties you mentioned in your comment is exactly 💯💪💯 the parties not in my favour starting with ANC to fall and the others to follow 👿😡🙈 they broke and messed up this beautiful country 😭 we are suffering because of them 👿😡🙈 Cyril must stop addressing my fellow South Africans and come out with all his lies and believing his own lies 😂 we are tired of them 😭😭💔💔😭 God please bless us as the innocent continues tax payers of this country 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Well done Sizwe mfoka Mpofu. You've really done well and created like minded people as yourself. Your influence is felt by us all young black people who want to see a better SA.
You are a brilliant journalist, and I find your views extremely interesting. Please continue keeping us updated.
On sunday I saw that fairness is just a word in SA. Some people are more equal than others.
The facts of the matter are that NO individual should be above the laws of the country, irrespective of their political affiliations.
❤️UN INTERNATIONAL HUMAN RIGHTS LAWS 4 ALL❤️❤️❤️🇿🇦constitution❤️❤️❤️
People that vote ANC is blinded from the truth... Vote with a clear conscience ..let's renew Mandela's dream 🙏👍💪🏽 an built a country who all can benefit 🎉
Yes amen 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Mandela's dream is white peoples dream, not the black majority
Mandela's dream is white peoples dream, not the black majority
I'm smiling Dr Sizwe M.
The intelligent , the integrity and supposed to be intellectuals , lost thru lack of wisdom. How do you lead the nation? Love seeing thru another's eyes , reality presenting itself.
We almost made it to 100k before the 29th of May. Congrats Dr Sizwe 🎉 your content has been the one 1️⃣ , keep spreading the fire 🔥 🔥🔥 Ayeye !!!!
"3 Former presidents". I'm taking that phrase as a prediction 🤣🤣🤣
Heavy on the "former" 😂
@@nosizongcamu7128 😂😂🤣
@@nosizongcamu7128 🤣🤣🤣
Always great insightful analysis on this Platform.
SMWX never disappoints, your contribution to an alternative medium has been what this country needed all along.
The mainstream media is starting to me doubt their impartiality.
Thank you
That JUdgement left a stain on The Highest Court.
The question Zuma is asking is fair, what was so constitutional about contempt? It certainly did not warrant the attention of the apex court
Thanks SMWX! Always on point 😊
I am also very interested in an inclusive national dialogue post the elections. It’s time for a re-boot and re-imagined way forward.
Please can i say something controversial. Universal we need a age cut off for someone to be president. A 70 year old has no idea what a 18 year old luved experience is . Hell im 50 and have to take several yoga breaths because i some times dont understand my 21 year old childs way of how she sees the world
These are our future leaders and the way they see the world is completely different from how people over 30 see it . Just my thought
Perhaps an IQ test of the parlamentians would be necessary 🤔
I agree with you 💯💯💯💯💯 they are too old to bring in good ideas 💡💡 they suffer from DIMENSIA and should enjoy their retirement at home 😡😡😡
Mr Mpofu do you really believe that the ANC is ruling the country not WMC, let's look at the mainstream media hostility towards Zuma vs Mbeki and Ramaphosa, who's behind the media, the one who says Zuma must not be given an air time, in both SABC and ENCA? I know you may say it is unfounded allegations, but according to your own eyes, both Thabo Mbeki and Ramaphosa who're talking on behalf of the ANC, are both given a chance in the last minute! Another question is how are we arriving at this coming coalitional government, have you never had De Klerk talking about it in the past? Ramaphosa came to fulfill that plan, from the very outside forces that both previous presidents are complaining about. Ramaphosa did nothing and he ruined everything, and the role of the media was to say, "it is the ANC", as opposed to say it is "Ramaphosa", it said it is "30 years" as opposed to saying, it is last "6 years".
Do you know that Mbeki was once expressed joy for meeting the Guptas' mother for the first time, I will attach the link below, but has the mainstream media asked what was the importance of the Guptas then, in the ANC, from Mbeki?
th-cam.com/video/RjC3ncT1aFg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=F2OAvyV9rDND2pyV
If we look at history, that's how the dominant society operates. They make 30+ years plans. We trying to make 5 year plans, on the other side of power they already laid a plan to stay dominating and that their agendas are fulfilled.
Sizwe, the president's speech was distasteful and utter disrespect to the rest of the political parties. Meanwhile he was blatantly lying through his nose 😭😭
He needs to be called to order, ever so quickly!
Mbeki just sacrificed his legacy for Ramaphosa 😢 xem. They want a dialogue now after agreeing that the private sector is in charge
Let them bring it on and ANC must step aside let ordinary citizens of RSA lead it and they won't agree to it
Cyril Ramaphosa was as guilty as you can get.
Ramaphosa says he is processing Phala Phala refund.
CHAPTER 16: RECOMMENDATION
264. In light of all the information placed before the panel, we conclude that this information discloses, prime facie, that the President may have committed:
• 261.1 A serious violation of the section 96[2][a].
• 264.2 A serious violation of section 34[1] of PRECCA.
• 264.3 A serious misconduct in that the President violated section 96 [2][b] by acting in a
way that is inconsistent with his office.
• 264.4 A serious misconduct in that the President violated section 96[2][b] by exposing
himself to a situation involving a conflict between his official responsibilities and his private business of the Constitution.
That Judgement was wrong.
"GIVEN WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, WHAT JUSTIFIES THAT WE VOTE FOR THE ANC" - PRESIDENT THABO MBEKI 🦒🦒
Great analysis Dr... well done. I enjoyed the chat with Gogo Matshiqi yesterday... thank you
Great insight Dr SMXW and great analysis 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
Yes, A National Dialogue, is the best Proposal, with Constitutional Changes,
Yes n ANC must step aside and let ordinary citizens lead it
We need that dialogue to focus firmly on economic equality. It is a n injustice to still have the majority, natives as the poor
We cannot have a so called national dialogue without, the disclosure of CODESA concessions.... We need the Kings and Queens, who are true leaders of this country , should be the first on the table ...to discuss issues of both identity and economy...
Just subscribed today and Viva MK 🎉
Welcome aboard!
MK was nothing before Zuma, and will be nothing after Zuma. MK is simply a platform to attempt to harm the ANC at the polls. So sad that ordinary South Africans by into this nonsense and further solidify their fate...a life without opportunity, and life suck in poverty...while their so-called leaders use government coffers to prop up their otherwise lifestyles. Cry the beloved country.
There are many things we have gotten right in RSA. One of them is that we have sustained stable elections.
It's fair to say that most South Africans want prosperity and equality to the largest extent possible. We just disagree on the road that will lead us there. So, through this National Dialogue, we should decide on the balance of radicalism (for speed) and steadiness (for preservation) of wealth creation. Perhaps some young blood might come up with a way that doesn't compromise both. One thing is clear to me; politicians and their parties are not the answer to our needs. We are. We are all we have.
Yes 💯🙏🙏🙏🙏
I am pleased with your analysis, it is to the point, am ecstatic to read and to listen to such an in depth analysis
Ramaphosa speach was really unnecessary and ANC cheap stunts to campaign to the ANC. But we are unshaken with our choices for voting for change and vote ANC out for EFF and MK party in🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Thank you for your honesty and the fairness in which you have conducted your intereviews.
The only difference is that people were naive or ignorant. I voted ANC for the first 20 years because I was hopeful that they were going to improve people's lives.
Can we agree that the electorate is distracted by this noise? Another sleight of hand that blinds us to the fact that we have a leadership and (coherent) policy void! I can’t help but feel we are racing over a cliff while looking in the rear view mirror for direction. Thankfully - per the daily Maverick - there is a whole cohort of sensible young leaders in the wings. Thanks Sizwe - thought provoking as always.
I usually feel so excited on Election days, but 2mrw, I don't know, feeling anxious and unsure of the Western Cape, don't sell or isolate us from 🇿🇦South Africa, we r the Mother City❤️❤️❤️
Why? I dnt independent will succeed the reason people want the Western it's everything to doing with the anc but I dnt think it will happen soon aslong as the DA reject it
like it or not, Mbeki always bring good points in his interviews. I think most of the people don't like it when he campaign for his party yet they are happy when Zuma campaign against the party he calls his own. I salute Mbeki
Great analysis. Unbiased, objective and impartial
The majority of disgruntled ANC members joined MK because they were never going to vote for the EFF. Jacob Zuma's timing for this move was impeccable
During Zuma tenure lives were saved when he approved the use of ARV whereby Mbeki refused with the uses. Petrol was also at the lowest. The Guptas were introduced to zuma by mandela and they also gave mbeki R30 millions to upgrade his home. Mbeki he is just trying to protect his wife's shares she holds in our Banks from europe
Former President Mbeki waisted 2/3 majority votes and now he is calling for the national dialogue,its going to be a waiste of time.
The waiting is over ,tomorrow is the day Jacob Zuma you are 81 years of age go and rest at home please ,what difference will he make that he failed to do as ANC and SOUTH AFRICAN president?
How old is Biden.....of USA😮
You must zip your mouth shut ...your iQ is minor for logically and hygiene Politics. ..!!
Do you want Zuma to loot more. His time is up. @@mphumzadlamini5480
@@mphumzadlamini5480 Sibalukhulu, she doesnt even know who Biden is. Only trying to sound smart, akabuyele ezimbabwe eyolungisa ekhaya.
@@mphumzadlamini5480who cares he is also an idiot
They know what the people want & need. A dialogue wl be waste of funds, dialogue is an excuse
Whatever you do PLEASE DON'T VOTE FOR THE ANC NGIYANICELA 😭😭😭
The ANC is our country's greatest impediment...I wish more people would recognise that. You cannot uplift the poor with an economy that is flatlining. We need a growth rate above 4% per annum to make a dent in the status quo. The ANC can make all the promising they like, without a thriving economy, they are not viable.
Siningi kakhulu lesingisi senu kodwa okulula nje asivoteleni MKHONTO WESIZWE qha qwaba
Yes yes yes yes amen 🙏🙏🙏🙏 please vote AGAINST ANC 👿👿👿
Amen
I don't know why would the president claim to have brought the state capture to an end when his fellow ANC leaders who were pointed out by the Commission are still at the helm of the ANC and not charged. 🤷♂️
Finally we got the ANC thieves out😂😂😂
Well said.
Dr. SMWX, your assessment and comments are spot on the money regarding the 3 Presidents!
Thank you Baba Mbeki ,for this suggetion
The CR24 should be forced to pay for his campaign for his personal survival and the survival of his captured parts using the presidency platform
WHAT IF the first 15 years was simply just the last momentum of Apartheid ???
Kudlana iintsimbi zodwa apha, we are not going nowhere as long as the top leaders don't support each other and put the needs of the people first.
Sizwe im so in love with you because of your wisdom 💕💋 your trueness and good analysis ❤❤❤❤ keep up the good work abd God bless you 🙏🙏🙏🙏 ayeye ayeye ❤❤❤❤❤
The hypocrisy is too real here. He has it thrown at him from every direction. Have a great election day my fellow Mzantianz
What was the main reason for the constitutional court to send Mr Zuma to prison? Was it because he disagreed with Judge Zondo?
Go and read
@@NgolaNalane Very helpful thanks
CR was still a State President when called family meeting, nothing wrong. He talked about government programmes
Yet another excellent analysis Doctor Mpofu 👍🏾
THE ROAD TO 100K WAS a good one. Thank you Bra Mpofu
How much of an impact did the 2008 global economic crisis have on the last 15 years of South Africa's political and economic objectives and progress in line with your discussion Sizwe Mpofu?
Dr Sizwe . Not a fan of your father. I admire you . Your knowledge insights etc. we need strong bright leaders and mentorships for our youth.
Old white lady🇿🇦🇿🇦💃🏻keep up your amazing work. 💫🌈
Yes the ANC failed to counter the counter revolutionary forces, i stead of stopping them some leaders joined these forces.
Stop it Sizwe i like it!
Dialogue is good idea in theory. It would need some very good facilitation and mature engagement. Parliament should play a role in the dialogue, as the body elected to represented people.
Really enjoyed the build up to the elections on this channel didn't watch or follow up on individual manefestos- I'll do better next time I do however feel I got a good analysis of alot of existing parties to make a somewhat (somewhat because of a lack my own research)informed choice today
Great job SMWX 👏 ❤
Thanks for watching! 👊🏾
The first 15 years is where the challenges of the present were fortified. The first 15 years, the ANC had 2/3 majority, but did nothing about anything really. Today is simply a manifestation of the poorest form of governing a country.
JZ treatment in a hands of constitutional court & in the eyes of his supporters "That what given us as MK..." (20:00) Bias is reveled 🤣
If bias = the truth. 🤷🏽♂️
Sizwa , I must say you have swayed my vote .
I buy what Thabo Mbeki said about those who wanted RSA to fail because NDR was viewed as communist. Yes government failed probably because ANC and government intelligence structures were infiltrated. Who had the most influence in these intelligence structures?
On Renewal: What delays things is internal party politics. The ANC tables issues, debates on them then go on a vote. 1 should expect that on all these issues, the NEC may not unanimously agree so a struggle to do things slows things down when there's a pushing & pulling from within. It is unbelievable that the NEC has expelled a SG in Ace Magashule, acting on allegations for Phala Phala & a Speaker of Parliament to be actually taken to court for allegations against her & many that have stepped aside because of charges against her.
The ANC scored an own goal bring out Mbeki.🤣 15 years of Prosperity and 15 years of failure. 6 out the latter is under Cyril. Then he tells us to vote for this stark contradiction. You should’ve left the narcissist alone to preserves his legacy under his foundation instead of undermining and insulting his successors!
Outside forces with no names and stories. these old men are boring, our lives are forever on the line. and they genuinely all playing the victim and its bs. they've all been there for decades!!!
Truth these guyz need to Go Home Sit Down, TO be Fair let's have VaZukulu Rule now, they may surprise us nd RSA will Grow and do Well.
When you descend into the political arena, you loose objectivity.
😢😢VOTE EFF OUTRIGHT 2024 😢😢DON'T BE SCARED 😢😢✊🏿❤
Bad move 😔😕
SMWX please adjust your volume on the mics. Turn them up!!
Zuma very practical - 90%; Mbeki very theoretical - 7% & Cyril very speculative and imaginative - 3%
congratulation on hitting the 100k subscriber mark, I can see it cooking 😇😜
Stop trying to put the blame on others ,just accept the word incompetence
Gross incompetence and cadres deployment is a toxic soup for any country.
I hope that you are not indirectly campaigning for EFF by bashing the ANC?
Rumperstilskin is such a liar.
Thanks
Excellent commentary.
Glad you enjoyed it
Sizwe mandithi yi apartheid policy that was defeated by the ANC and the international community, you are very fortunate that the article of substance are being published by our media houses
We Vote ANC
😳Outside forces is inside forces,
Sizwe the NP government was not a defeated entity and the ANC had to work with some leadership of the NP and TBVC with it's workforce which they inherited from these states, the constitution of South Africa is giving the state president enormous power to do what he or she thinks is good for the state, for example you can't challenge the state president for appointing ministers and deputy ministers and some key strategic positions and if that president is so compromised by private businesses, rogue elements of the intelligence services and other syndicates or mafias, that state can collapse
Remember Sizwe the ANC and the NP had a task of uniting the country, economically South Africa was a powerful country among countries in the world with all it's powerful army and the educated professional intelligence services supported by the entire Western governments, hayi maan Sizwe don't be too lazy to apply your mind, you are such a bright child
Hayi kunzima kakhulu mandosule izandla
Appreciated the commentary on our softly spoken Cyril Ramaphosa! 🙏 Off to find your content on Rise Mzansi.
See my interview w Vuyiswa Ramokgopa.
@@_SMWX Will do, tx!
Ayeye,syabonga kakhulu mfoka Mpofu. I will vote with conscious from now on. I'm 36, but in South africa, I'm not supposed to be employable. My democratic rights are being undermined, not taken seriously. The anc failed the youth. Can you imagine a 70-year-old who's going to plan for your future 2039 leyonja izobe ikuphi 2045,sisekakeni bahlali
Mbeki & Zuma both recognise the future. Zuma is using the elections to gauge like a referendum whether the nation is prepared restart the armed struggle while Mbeki santa a national dialogue to expel the notion.
I never listen to Mbeki, he is an academic hypocrite. And for Zuma to say that he could not do what he wanted to because of some in the collective, proves that he cannot guarrantee us that in the MK he will succed because he uses the very same system that failed in the ANC.
The ANC failed the people but never failed its elites, they are billioniares.
Vote for Sia Kolisi🗳️🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
Great analysis there ,but I think you must change the name of the show from SMWX to the ANC analysis.
Trying to change the narrative. Decampaigning them is his mission 😂😂
More than 55% of your "analysis" dedicated to Mbeki and the other 2 to share 45%...what does that say about you and/or them Sizwe?
ZULU nationalism has defeated the ANC.
I have not decided to vote for MK or EFF. Any party that promises African liberation and unity has my vote. Any party that is for my people, by my people gets my vote!
Thank u DOCTOR, ur empowering FACTS got us thinking and we all need 2 value DEMOCRACY as 🇿🇦South Africa 30yrs democracy free from Apartheid, and it takes❤️UN INTL HUMAN RIGHTS LAWS 4 ALL❤️best 2 ALL 2mrw, use ur vote
wisely, it's UR POWER❤️
You guys hv always apartheid in mind when did move on God is busy to returned everyday you sleep and eat apartheid If you knwing that your in a democracy leave and move on
Was Mr Mbeki indirectly critising the outcomes and agreements of codesa without really saying so 🤔
This is probably the only time I’ll disagree with you Sizwe.
Your vote counts.
The vote definitely counts I’m just not sure of major policy shifts after the election. But you will definitely find me at the polls today!
I thought Mr Zuma was sick which is why he was release in jail now he has a new party and campaigning,he needs to finish his sentence now that he feels better
South Africa needs a CODECSA( COnvention of a DE-Colonized South Africa). Truth is we are still very much a colonized nation, hence that's why we cannot move forward, hence that why the rich is getting richer, the poor is getting poorer. We are in apartheid2.0.
Ayeye we almost there guys road to 100k was awesome and special ❤
I think, Mbeki should not blow his own trumpet. He should allow us, citizens to give him or the anc credit for the first15 years. Quite frankly, as you correctly have analyzed -we are merely contrasting the then and subsequent 15 years. If you really zoom into the first 15 years, you find a widening gap between the poor and the middle class. I think a paradigm shift happened from 2009 to look into catering to the needs of the poor.this paradigm was not received well by capital
"More of the same stagnation with different characters" 😱
Never never never again oppression of any form we R THE STRONGEST NATION ON THIS PLANET, taking on the big guns at the international level, viva🇿🇦South Africa 30yrs democracy free from Apartheid❤️❤️❤️
We going to wake up with 100k Subs I tell You😀😀😀😀 Very excited