@@marissaflip8707 there is but the healthy type we all have fats if we didn't have fats then we would just be skeletons but I get what you mean by fats... "excess fats" and NONE OF THEM EVEN HAVE 1 POUND OF EXTRA FAT NONE LIKE WTF WHY DO PEOPLE CALL THEM FAT??
They don't have any access fat and even if they had a little what is that going to change but really they want them to lose skin cause that's all they are basically
Going by the nhs standard of healthy weight the woman that was 177cm, was considered underweight. Like the nhs consider 75kg up to be healthy weight. Like wth?
That guy who pointed out Sulli's "fat" made me sick to my stomach. She was too precious for this cruel world and it makes me happy seeing all of the times Amber defended and stepped up for her.
that man should look in the mirror himself before judging others like he looks like a fucking rat nd had the audacity to say 'loose weight' to a person who looked soo beautiful
yes it fills me with so much rage. He had the audacity to go into specifics in front of a crowd and that completely disregards her feelings. These types of comments may stick with someone forever.
Yes. And what's sadder is her first instinct was to say "I'm planning on losing the weight". She's conditioned to think she's never good enough that she has to make excuses to a stranger about her body. I really admire the girls actively trying to criticize and defy the unfair standards in kpop, but they're so few and far between because the industry destroys most girls' self-esteem to the point they can never speak up.
@@sanaandyujusslave1121 you do know wendy and seulgi are younger than her. if anything she wouldn't want any of them to be told they're too fat or anything but at least she stood up for someone. we don't know if she stood up for her members behind the scenes or anything.
I used to think no one said things like that too because I'm skinny but actually it's VERY common my sister get comments from my family all the time and she has flat stomach
Believe me its quite common no matter what body type you have.. im genetically underweight and people would just criticize me for it with "are you anorexic?" "You're so thin" In public..
expensive gurl uωu that’s so rude of them, and i think that is actually part of the culture of the country to say things like that informally right? because in my country, most of the time you just say thinks like that if you are intimate with the person, but in korea apparently not...
They do know but they can't really do anything about it so they gotta make it look not too problematic to the public. There's a reason so many girl groups disband on their own volition
Probably true. I would feel incredibly hurt if someone would say things like that to me. Also, it's absolutely stupid, because all of Mamamoo's members are gorgeous, beautiful - inside and outside.
“You’re a female idol, so you need to lose weight” always sickens me to hear. like no, their job is to sing and dance, not to starve themselves, and suffer from low self esteem for their entire lives.
to be fair i think they laughed it off because if the hosts dared commented on how the starving part sounds like mistreatment, it would cause a scandal on their part and may even risk their jobs.
In tons of comments, people say: “oh, that guy looks awful, how dares he to judge any girl?”, but let me tell you: Even if these guys were top male 1% professional models, that still wouldn’t give them any right to judge idols’ looks.
That’s true, but if they don’t take care of themselves they have no right to expect girls to be at their “in their opinion best”, it’s hypocrisy. Everyone has their own standards and that’s totally okay, but no one has a right to tell other people how to look
Yes he has every right to, idols want the money from fans - idol business is a visual one. They don't sell fruits, they sell their image and songs. If you sell fruits and your customer doesn't tell you they taste like shit, you will go bankrupt. Simple as that.
That man's standard was disgusting, Sulli was already so skinny and beautiful at the time. We can see how she became super conscious when he said that. Just plain disgusting to judge a young girl with that unhealthy standard.
I feel really bad for late Sulli. She immediately saying that she planned to lose weight when heard that guy’s comment. It makes me remmeber how bad she was bullied by people on social media. May she rest in peace 😢😢😢
My standards this, my standards that...like stfu, I understand everyone has their own taste and standards so just try to find the one you'll like and don't insult those who don't match your stadards and don't make them uncomfortable, they don't have to change themselves for you.
One thing that is bothering me is that in all these shows, the problems with their weights and their CEOs are being shown as funny and not serious. Everyone is laughing about it
I see that these women didn't laugh tho (except for the ones who called jihyo fat, too), they really got bothered, and making fun of this is a way they can tell these things. Maybe it's not taken seriously because Korea still very sexist and male chauvinist (idk if it's wrong, I'm not that fluent in English lol), several countries are like this, Korea is just one of them.
@@marinacomasvidal4110 He had even insult fans for weight. U should see more about him and some other suju members. Most of them are amazing sirs and Im obsessed with their music, but some r really the worst people. Kyuhyun is one of my top favorite vocalists but I'm disguised of him and don't like his personality. He's selfish and disrespectful and sorry for saying
Yeah I'm the opposite. My respect for Shindong has slowly built up over the years because it seems like he has changed his attitude. Keep in mind that comment was literally from 2005, over 15 years ago. I don't know about you but I would want people to judge me on the person I am today, not the person I used to be.
I feel like the most despicable thing is how journalists and interviewers will press idols for answers about their weight, and EXPLICITLY for their hardest diets, nothing about sustainable healthy lifestyles. Several times I've seen idols edited with funny effects after saying they nearly died from their diets. Everyone wants to ask idols how they lose weight, but no one wants to ask how badly they suffered
i loved how taeyeon defended wendy and seulgi and called out the manager we need more ppl like her like kindness is really important and some companies dont even lets there idols eat thats so cruel
2NE1 was marketed as being ugly. It hit them hard, especially Minzy. Being so young growing up in such a negative environment is terrible. Debuting at 14 is difficult enough already
but despite that they showcased their talents really well.Ngl I used to find 2NE1 ugly as well ( that was when i was around 9 when first saw them ) but as time goes on, their talents outshined their looks and I was stanning them for their artistry and found them really cool. I feel that YG lost a group of legends due to his trash ass of a decision to be biased towards BP, these ladies have proved that their talents can outshine their looks, it isn't easy to prove that unless you have an insane amount of talent, YG you are human trash
@@Mighty.Matcha. "biased towards blackpink" huh... how exactly is he biased towards the only senior group in the industry right now with no full album and only 13 songs? if you really knew about yg you would know that 2ne1 was bound disband with minzy needing a break and blackpink were actually supposed to debut in 2012. stop trying to make it seem like it's blackpink's fault.
@@YannNovas she also had plastic surgery not to fit their standarts, i heard it's also because she have that special condition like minzy that force them to have plastic surgery. Those people who called her plastic monster rlly disgusting, bom was also really pretty before her plastic surgery.
Right! Like omg they were trying to give this backhanded compliment as if she was supppsed to take it nicely. "Oh no no, we mean you're TOO SKINNY and want you to become fatter"
Find it disgusting and humiliating when they don't like you as a singer or a person but like you cuz of your body and how you look and they look like 👹💩
yeah, that comment was also bogus, I read a caption that said , that they used the fans words of her being so overworked that she's so thin that she should eat something, and they have their korean word for it. That is just picking on people.
Well, this is Asian culture for y'all. I live in Japan and here people are obsessed with weight and looks too, I know in other countries such as China, Vietnam and Thailand things are like this too, but Korea takes it to a whole new level. They are truly, truly obsessed with how they look and how much they weight and the bullying about it is fierce. I refuse to wear makeup but in Japan and Korea not using makeup is considered basically a crime against humanity. I'm surprised 2ne1 rehearsed without makeup because yeah, it's not the norm. That's why she was bullied by the jerk. And I used to be bullied too in Japan but I've grown a thicker skin. I did reach rock bottom though thanks to the bullying I went through. I still have leftoverPTSD from it and it's been 10yrs already. Been a long journey to heal myself and learn to not care and not depend on people's opinions about myself.
Amber is such an amazing person, willing to stand up to these toxic norms and defend her group who were being subject to that. These "standards" need to change.
Thing is, I definitely say his words are absolutely wrong, they are supposed to be admonished, but remember he said those words many many years ago. His opinions on this definitely changed, I'm sure he is respectful these days, because I know how much a person can change in a span of years. I'm not justifying his statement, it is extremely bad, but, he is definitely not the same anymore. He is respectful to women, I'm sure he changed. But if he makes a comment like this in the recent years, I don't see the reason to like him anymore. But it was many many years ago, so just think about it. He's definitely changed. His behaviour these days show that.
@@Dynamatrix1973 because she can look masculine. Just because a woman is masculine doesn't mean she's less pretty. Literally stfu and stop spreading societal standards
I’m a 5’7” woman, and 117 lbs and under is underweight. In regard to the 2018 knowing brothers clip:… That girl was already underweight at 116 lbs. Her boss was telling her to get to 112 or lose her job and was essentially saying, get sicker and lose your health or you’re fired. Evil, evil, sick in the head.
Ikr, I was shocked. I really used to like super Junior but there are some members who have a problematic behavior. I remember there was this interview of goo hara where the hosts literally made her cry and there was super junior member kyuhyun there too as a host, he later apologize and all but I didn't liked his behavior there and now shindong, even tho he apologized too but that's really disgusting thing to say. Now, I really hope their fans won't attack me because I'm just saying what I personally feel about them.
Yeah that comment was so stupid... I'm wondering if he meant it out of his actual ideals, or if he meant it because he understands the current situation for male vs female idols. Like it's one thing to say it in an ignorant way, but it's different if he meant it like "Fans are cruel and the current reality is that females have a higher visual standard than males." It means Shindong is either VERY stupid, or VERY aware of reality.
Also that other time Chungha was in a reality show and one of Super Junior members was also there. And he said something super creepy about Chungha and one of the older females called him out 🤢
@@skyrein_2457 body shapes/weights/sizes vary a lot and since everyone is different, I don't think there is a 'normal'. i think that as long as you are healthy and feel strong, that's good:)
I don't want to be THAT person, but can we talk about the male k-idols behaviors? Like, they really think they have any right to comment on someone else's body? The level of sexism is impressive 😑
@@xauloo EXACTLY. if it's his standard then why should he force HIS standard on someone else's body?? that being said, seventeen is an exception. seungkwan once no one should ever expect something from others especially if it's grounded under their own standards. that being said, seventeen shouldn't be mentioned with the likes of those men you speak of. hoshi even reacted "what the" when he read a statement that says that women should have white porcelain skin and thin body.
Shindong has since apologized several times and has been shown to support plus sized women. Those comments were from almost ten years ago. He's not the same person.
Dude, Yoonas flabbergastion when the Chinese man said the fans called her fatty is what did it for me. You could tell she was absolutely shocked. Poor thing.
When that person criticize Sulli, that kinda hurt me. I'm not even her fan, but after she died, video like this made feel disgusted with Korean beauty standard and how they treat female like an object.
@@riyamanoj7685 actually the old yg CEO is actually a nice person the time it was still 2ne1 and bigbang and other group until he made new group and gained more fans I think then he changed
"it's my standard" if i were the girl, i would reply this : "hmm im glad I wasn't your standard though. does your standards finds you as their standards too anyways?" i have no time being kind to a jerk
@@jupither5952 Yes these kind of people are part of the problem. You are too. You simply fight fire by fire. You don't fight the problem, you use it. All you do is responding critisizing of the body by doing the same exept in a rude way. You contribute to the problem, it works both ways and if everyone keeps using it as a weapon no wonder it only gets bigger and bigger. This "no u" mentality is so childish too.
I've been seeing an increasing number of Toxic comments shaming and blaming these girls for sharing their diets and I know it's not healthy but they are just acting on what they've been taught and learned to do. It's important to remember the majority of idols don't have eating disorders and are not part of some sick pro-ana group, they are being pressured and at times forced to go on starvation diets because they're told they can't work otherwise. But they themselves also hate it and don't want to do it either.
It seems like one of the most stressful workplaces to ever be in. The fact that people blame the girls and guys is entirely beside the point. In an environment and even country that enables this sort of pressure, can you really blame them when your career you worked so hard for is on the line?
I love your videos, its like a biography of the person since debut to now, its really shocking to see how many hate some people have to resist every day. Can you do one of Hwasa of Mamamoo?? I dont have money for Patreon, but i think that she has a pretty rough story with fat shaming as well.
And as good as every single idol who has to go on such a diet warns the people out there to never follow these, especially not as a long term solution, since they are extremely dangerous! This industry is so terrible...
It always shocks me at everyone's reaction to laugh at these scarring stories. These people dead ass find these girl's traumas funny and it infuriates me.
The thing is that he was rejected too because of his visuals, so he knows what it feels like. Ps. Imo i think JYP doesn't prioritize visuals as much as other companies.
But the truth is when they're on the thin side it opens more chance to them. They can be in more magazine and be a muse of some brand. They 're like a model, if they use the clothes prettily it will make people want to buy it. It means more money, fame, and fans which is the point of them being idol (harsh i know but its real 😭)
@@nafirahyumniharahap8726 It really doesnt matter about the body tho i agree with the part that people want thin people but i think it should depend on charecter, personality,attitude...But you opinion counts
My question is.... While I get the love some fans have for their fav members/groups..... How can we still support such an industry at this point anymore?.... It is 2022 and we still talk about these issues...
Why is it so normalized for idols to talk about experiencing inhumane treatment, like dangerous dieting and constant mental pain as if it’s a joke? This is the things they aren’t afraid to say in public, so imagine what they actually do keep secret.
momo spoke in a vlive that she was forced to lose weight in a week and she only ate ice and she was afraid of falling asleep bc she was scared she’d die in her sleep.. i always think about that, my heart breaks knowing how hard it is for them i love them so much :( no one helps them
@@aelishajazzgarcia yeah, I heard it from baekhyun, when people keep calling him fat, he went into a "diet" and that's what he did to lose weight. It's very sad
People be reacting to this like "idols are humans too", yet when they see an idol not quite fitting in their "standards" they go saying all sorts of stuff, like how they should've not been an idol. The hypocrisy of some ppl is just so funny to me (in a very sarcastic way)
so true. u have naturally beautiful one, people would be jealous and said its all plastic surgery even when u are just gaining weight or lose weight. the problem was these korean netizen started accuse neighboring celeb even US celebs
can anyone actually tell me the reason why people feel the need to comment negatively about others ?? is there a psychological thing about it ? i’m so frustrated, especially with the people in the video, if they don’t like something about someone’s appearance don’t say it, why is it that they have to say something??
Watching this was heartbreaking and shocking. I’m a big kpop fan and I’m aware female idols are unfairly treated but I never knew that it was this serious. One of the girls said her CEO strictly said her weight can never go into the 50 kgs, but the average weight of a 12 YR OLD is 41.5 kg. People HAVE to stop.
Dude the beauty standards in Korea are so crazy. I'm chronically ill and when I was healthy I was a size 4. After getting sick my weight dropped to a size zero. Things improved a little and I went up to a size 1 or 2 depending on the clothing item. Even at size 4 people always used to tell me that I was too skinny. I wasn't at all underweight tho. I don't feel good at a size 1. I can tell I'm severely undernourished in how I look and feel. The size these girls are being pushed to achieve is literally the size I'm at as a chronically undernourished sick person and that is so alarming. These girls look totally normal and healthy. The first time I saw the clip about Sulli I was so shocked bc she isn't overweight at all. In Korea they just think it's good to look almost bone thin for some reason....but they seem to have this ideal without taking into account what a body needs every day in it's basic health requirements to survive and function well. No one should be forced to eat less than allows them to get their daily nutrients in!!! Especially not young people who are still growing and being made to burn so many nutrients through their physically demanding daily activities. That is abuse! And what Shindong said is so disgusting. Like it's ok for you to be fat bc you're a guy but a girl should have to be super thin? Like no, how double standard can you be??? The only reason its like that is bc things are too male biased over there sometimes.
They have no consideration for body types either. I'm the same height and body shape as Park Bom and she's always hounded for being fat. She has a short torso and a large chest. They see her in a certain cut of shirt and it makes her look top heavy so they automatically assume fat, then talk about how skinny she looks a few days later in a different outfit.
It should have to be every ladies saying .. Like "if you don't like me than don't cause I don't even care about you and I will gonna make my own way by my own specialities . your words doesn't matter even for a little bit"
Just wanna give a quick shoutout to the girls defending each other. Especially the more established girls like Taeyeon and Hyuna who have the (admittedly very little) power to speak up.
Not really surprising when a man call woman fat but a woman calling out other woman fat??? I thought that would be easier to sympathize when you're on the same side
It will always be my fave part when Jihyo put on that determined face and say "I'll lose the weight". It was the confidence that radiated from her that she was gonna prove them wrong. Now look at her, she's on the fucking top
I rewatched Running Man and they talked abut Song Ji Hyo's weight in many early episodes. She was like 53kg which I think she was totally fit compared to her height, she could even gain a bit more and would still has a fit body but she was stressed abt it a lot and wanted everyone to stop talking abt it but they still brought it up sometimes, it was really annoying. In Korea I feel like if a girl's weight is above 50kg It is a threat
Korea just isnt logical. They have an ideal weight which is 48 kilos. And being over 50 is the biggest shame. I know the middle height for women is 1.60/1.62cm in Korea but many idols are taller than that. How can you expect a 1.60cm tall and a 1.72cm tall girl to weight the same?
Ikr! The other day I saw Joy's profile and it says that she's 1.68 and her weight is 49 kg, that is just not healthy. I know that some agencies modify their idols' profiles making it more "appealing" but what kind of fucked up message are they sending to young fans?
@@OosarahrocksoO pretty sure she's more than that because the profile's tend to exaggerate their weights to be lower but she's still slim and thankfully has a healthy relationship with food and exercise
I ran out of ideas for my username yeah, they’re definitely exaggerated and the profile weight/height is usually taken right before debut. Most groups, especially girl groups, go on really extreme diets together before debut (maybe the most extreme of their entire career since they’re trying to be as thin as possible). Most idols I’ve seen who are asked about their profiles usually laugh and are like “yeah, definitely more than that now.” I’ve also seen a girl who’s clearly like 5’3” be listed at 5’5” and another girl who looks at least 5’6” listed as 5’4”. Really hilarious when you then see those idols next to each other later and go uhhhh something isn’t right here lol
@@OosarahrocksoO that's one of the worst and most overlooked part, in my opinion. I am not belittle-ing how awful these women are getting treated, but i think it must be so hard, especially for young female audiences, to be presented with these types of bodies all the time. Teenagers especially are already so insecure and fragile, thinking about it really scares me
@jonathan hell no this is not a place for 2ne1 slander. they are all beautiful and talented. i bet you don't have as much talent in your whole body as they do in they leg
"It's my standard" he said, with his teeth pointing in three different directions! To a woman who committed suicide, due to comments like that! Hope you sleep well at night, my dude. >:(
Ikr like NOBODY cares to fulfill his standards anyway because nobody would want to be with a person like him. Like, what kind of standard is that? Her arms are "too fat" so I won't date her/I don't find her pretty? Shitty standard shows a shitty person.
Yonna Dalangin pissed me off how she went straight to saying she was going to loose weight...ugh no don’t fucking listen to men with opinions like that especially when they’re the ones who should be insecure with their looks
@Sasha you can loose muscle?😂as someone who lost most of my body weight a few years ago (including any muscle I had) the only thing that you can’t lose without surgery is the skin. Even then you’d have to have a lot of it to realise.
@Sasha no you did that. Nobody mentioned the ones she was born with. She clearly has a little bit of muscle purely from daily tasks I imagine but I don’t think that’s a bad thing. She wasn’t born with them.
As a woman..I really felt sick and disgusted after seeing this video ...my perception..my views about Korea and kpop entirely changed ...I request the starved victims shown in the video to have self respect...love yourself...no need to starve for others or in order to look good..becoming a kpop idol at the cost of starving is just NOT WORTH IT ...
He didn't call her fat. He was explaining that fans call her that because they wish she'd GAIN some weight. You guys need to read things properly and not making things up.
@agahse The thing is that people always make something up and cause more drama. Overall it's not that big difference but in a slightly different scenario, it could be.... If you address a certain thing you should interpret it correctly. I agree with the last part. Both versions are bad and that man should do a bit of self-reflection.
“...Girls have to be visually pleasing and talented whereas a guy can be ugly but if he’s funny they’ll say he’s charming...” - 4MINUTE Nam Jihyun (Leader)
@@petrasb1 chaeryeong from itzy is the whole package: she can dance sing and rap and has a very funny and outgoing personality. yet she is EXTREMELY underappreciated by both jyp and the fans only because her looks dont fit their standard or whatever. with guys this doesnt happen as often
petrasb1 Of course they are being judge But men often find an obese woman more “disgusting” than obese men And somehow woman think the same way too The thing is, Korea is a different place with America or any other countries Their standard is so hard, especially female artists, you cannot deny it by anyway
so to koreans: Hwasa who is naturally curvy needs to lose weight because she looks too "thick" compared to other idols BUT Lisa who is naturally skinny needs to gain weight because "she doesn't even look like a woman and has no assets" Wendy was called fat every single day in 2015 and when she lost the weight she "looked like a skeleton" Umji has been bullied by knetz so much that she performed with her face covered by her hair Tzuyu has been harassed because of her body since she was like 16 Sooyoung is naturally skinny and she's called a stick and not a "real" woman even to this day Naeun is somehow both fat and skinny at the same time CL can't even breathe without getting called ugly and fat the list goes on and thats sad
@i hate math it seems they don't. Tzuyu is an example of this. She's 172cm tall but still weighs lile 50kg. My sister is 155cm tall and she weighs that and people call her skinny. Just imagine the standard difference.
This makes me upset as hell. Im muscular/skinny but the muscles weight much more than fat so my weight is always higher. Before I started training my weight was 48kg but now it's close to 60kg. People seem to think its better to be dying in a skinny body than being healthy weight living a active lifestyle.
The AUDACITY of these men talking about these beautiful girls. While looking like a pig themselves. I'm sorry it frustrates me so much. Why can't they just mind their business. Women aren't some kind of doll you can just change the way you like.
I feel like taeyon in the last clip was trying to tell the girls to not be ashamed of eating/gaining weight but in a way that wouldn’t annoy their manager. It’s natural to eat at every age!!
Whats really crazy bout this is that literally like 99% of them werent even fat. Like what fat is there to even lose.
ArtisticAnimeDreamer ChohuiDance4Ever i know it’s 100% I mean there’s NO FAT in them
@@marissaflip8707 there is but the healthy type we all have fats if we didn't have fats then we would just be skeletons but I get what you mean by fats... "excess fats" and NONE OF THEM EVEN HAVE 1 POUND OF EXTRA FAT NONE LIKE WTF WHY DO PEOPLE CALL THEM FAT??
They don't have any access fat and even if they had a little what is that going to change but really they want them to lose skin cause that's all they are basically
No, what's _really_ crazy is the fact that the people who shame dols for being "fat" are usually fatter than the idols they criticize😕
Going by the nhs standard of healthy weight the woman that was 177cm, was considered underweight. Like the nhs consider 75kg up to be healthy weight. Like wth?
That Shindong comment was disgusting. Deeply disgusting.
He ended up dieting now too and is married with a child. Let's see how long he lasts with that.
@@celestialmaiden4606 shindong married?? I think u confused him with someone else
Shindong isn't married he just loses weight
once he feels bad, I feel like he'll be going, "Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry" (SJ pun)
He actually apologized already because of the things he said on the past
That guy who pointed out Sulli's "fat" made me sick to my stomach. She was too precious for this cruel world and it makes me happy seeing all of the times Amber defended and stepped up for her.
that man should look in the mirror himself before judging others like he looks like a fucking rat nd had the audacity to say 'loose weight' to a person who looked soo beautiful
he literally looked like a dinosaur
yes it fills me with so much rage. He had the audacity to go into specifics in front of a crowd and that completely disregards her feelings. These types of comments may stick with someone forever.
Ofcourse is a man
Yes. And what's sadder is her first instinct was to say "I'm planning on losing the weight". She's conditioned to think she's never good enough that she has to make excuses to a stranger about her body. I really admire the girls actively trying to criticize and defy the unfair standards in kpop, but they're so few and far between because the industry destroys most girls' self-esteem to the point they can never speak up.
Taeyeon is a queen for defending Wendy and Seulgi.
Ikr 🥺
So is amber from fx for defending her members
Maybe if she defended her own member 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@sanaandyujusslave1121 you do know wendy and seulgi are younger than her. if anything she wouldn't want any of them to be told they're too fat or anything but at least she stood up for someone. we don't know if she stood up for her members behind the scenes or anything.
@@butterflytae0903 but have you ever been a part of snsd hm?
One word explains all: disgusting treatment.
Seb Nick agree w you but that’s 2 words
Which word
That's two
I absolutely agree with you and this is indeed disgusting, but they're 2 words
how is calling a person “fat” and “ugly” in front of them considered normal?? omg this is disgusting
I used to think no one said things like that too because I'm skinny but actually it's VERY common my sister get comments from my family all the time and she has flat stomach
Believe me its quite common no matter what body type you have.. im genetically underweight and people would just criticize me for it with "are you anorexic?" "You're so thin" In public..
Zalina D from the family i think is more normal, but obviously still not cool
expensive gurl uωu that’s so rude of them, and i think that is actually part of the culture of the country to say things like that informally right? because in my country, most of the time you just say thinks like that if you are intimate with the person, but in korea apparently not...
PerrySport yass queen
I remember this girl group said that they don't even get their period anymore because of the excessive dieting.
wth...period sucks but it is important..they might die at this stage...may ik which girl group it is?
I think it was Lovelyz. They were being interviewed by Heechul.
That's so horrible
Omg... What if something even worse happens next?!
@@WATWUZDAREASON WTF!!! This is not right!! In some cases, the girls may find it difficult to have children in the future
the thing that worries me the most is that everyone is laughing about it and doesn't realise how DISGUSTING and TOXIC this is
Exactly, I just can't understand how in the world is this funny? Is it something wrong with my brain?
its all fun and games cause the toxicity is unseen and "normal" there !
they do know as well , but they gotta act funny and all so things dont get weird and awkward
They do know but they can't really do anything about it so they gotta make it look not too problematic to the public. There's a reason so many girl groups disband on their own volition
the thing I hate most is when the girls try to talk about these issues people shut them down, telling them it's a part of their job
Exactly! The fact that it’s a part of the job is the problem! That’s why people are talking about it.
IU suffered about this in the past
I know it's healthy to have a proportional body but some idols are skinny and yet their label told them to do diet. Idol can die by starving.
So what?! Imma shut them down too! tsk!
@@naihgeislerfexica4447 Ok then.
I feel like Hwa Sa laughed a lot to cover up the fact that she was hurt by what the head of the agency said.
It’s really sad 😢
@@ebele.i7484 I don't sleep because of it. 😢
Probably true. I would feel incredibly hurt if someone would say things like that to me. Also, it's absolutely stupid, because all of Mamamoo's members are gorgeous, beautiful - inside and outside.
That's sad. Poor my queen Hwasa(〒﹏〒)
@@zuinotr2550 Now the agency must be Thinking what they did back then was a shame for them
“You’re a female idol, so you need to lose weight” always sickens me to hear. like no, their job is to sing and dance, not to starve themselves, and suffer from low self esteem for their entire lives.
09:15 Taeyeon, thank you for your existence, really, thanks.
Agreed
"we starve to death, we have low self esteem, we are called ugly"
tv show hosts : BAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHA OMFG SO FUNNY LMFAO
True... it's really a sad reality
to be fair i think they laughed it off because if the hosts dared commented on how the starving part sounds like mistreatment, it would cause a scandal on their part and may even risk their jobs.
@@dylanthomasbraxton4916 they couldve atleast said "oh thats sad" and moved on
@@purushothaman8538 Yeah. All that laughing was unnecessary af
Your mother died today
tv show hosts: OMG *LMFAO*
Fun fact: Yg calls CL ugly because Cl stood up and said she didnt want plastic surgery for her debut while YG was forcing her, she said no
MLD389 So happy she stood up for herself ! And I also think he called them all ugly. He’s a pig.
i mean he also said 2ne1 is an ugly group... YG WILL FOREVER BE A SCAM AND IDIOT
Queen
CL first when i saw her i said she is beautiful lmao he is blind
I thought yg was against plastic surgery?
the fact that the women said her dad would starve her since primary school is so heartbreaking
4:43
the way Amber protected sulli. (:
she should throw her shoes toward that guy
@@risayu5274 but people are always double standand & over sensitive sometimes & nowadays.
My female crush :)
In tons of comments, people say: “oh, that guy looks awful, how dares he to judge any girl?”, but let me tell you: Even if these guys were top male 1% professional models, that still wouldn’t give them any right to judge idols’ looks.
This
That’s true, but if they don’t take care of themselves they have no right to expect girls to be at their “in their opinion best”, it’s hypocrisy. Everyone has their own standards and that’s totally okay, but no one has a right to tell other people how to look
THIS!!! Thank you for writing this!!
Yes he has every right to, idols want the money from fans - idol business is a visual one. They don't sell fruits, they sell their image and songs. If you sell fruits and your customer doesn't tell you they taste like shit, you will go bankrupt. Simple as that.
well said !
Amber has such restraint while defending Sulli. I was expecting her to yell at the guy or something.
Senna Taylor she have her image to protect too :(
That's why I respect Amber Liu so much ..
One of the reason why she is my favourite ( one of the favourite ) .. Amber Unni is really great
She does stand up for her, but not like yell YELLING more polite. Watch the full video of it :D
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That man's standard was disgusting, Sulli was already so skinny and beautiful at the time. We can see how she became super conscious when he said that. Just plain disgusting to judge a young girl with that unhealthy standard.
I feel really bad for late Sulli. She immediately saying that she planned to lose weight when heard that guy’s comment. It makes me remmeber how bad she was bullied by people on social media. May she rest in peace 😢😢😢
My standards this, my standards that...like stfu, I understand everyone has their own taste and standards so just try to find the one you'll like and don't insult those who don't match your stadards and don't make them uncomfortable, they don't have to change themselves for you.
💯
One thing that is bothering me is that in all these shows, the problems with their weights and their CEOs are being shown as funny and not serious.
Everyone is laughing about it
Fr wtf? It ain't funny.
Bruh it’s the only way they can complain or else they gonna be treated like shit even more, it’s actually sad and I’m fuming
@@user-pk4lr5kz5i Yes and it really makes me angry
I see that these women didn't laugh tho (except for the ones who called jihyo fat, too), they really got bothered, and making fun of this is a way they can tell these things. Maybe it's not taken seriously because Korea still very sexist and male chauvinist (idk if it's wrong, I'm not that fluent in English lol), several countries are like this, Korea is just one of them.
they think it is funny? pathetic. it's not funny at all
"I would never date an ugly girl , because there's no girl the world who's ugly" - Lay Zhang ( Exo )
Yixing is such a sweetheart ❤
i'm sure if he saw me he'd change that opinion real quick
@@katielee7364 aww sweetie don't say that ☹️ I'm sure you're beautiful
Gentleman of all times
we stannnn periodt✨
I had respect for shindong but after he said those words, *I 👏 LOST 👏 ALL 👏 THE 👏 RESPECT 👏 FOR 👏 SHINDONG*
Same, I am so disappointed...
@@marinacomasvidal4110 He had even insult fans for weight. U should see more about him and some other suju members. Most of them are amazing sirs and Im obsessed with their music, but some r really the worst people. Kyuhyun is one of my top favorite vocalists but I'm disguised of him and don't like his personality. He's selfish and disrespectful and sorry for saying
Yeah I'm the opposite. My respect for Shindong has slowly built up over the years because it seems like he has changed his attitude. Keep in mind that comment was literally from 2005, over 15 years ago. I don't know about you but I would want people to judge me on the person I am today, not the person I used to be.
I feel so disgusted by what he said
@@taeblends he still was a whole grown ass adult, no excuses
And then ppl blame Bom for her surgery but she was literally called ugly
I feel like the most despicable thing is how journalists and interviewers will press idols for answers about their weight, and EXPLICITLY for their hardest diets, nothing about sustainable healthy lifestyles. Several times I've seen idols edited with funny effects after saying they nearly died from their diets. Everyone wants to ask idols how they lose weight, but no one wants to ask how badly they suffered
Sanaa Mariam exactly! I’ve always found that so disturbing how they edited as if the idols’ suffering is a funny joke
Damn Korea's beauty standards are one of the worst cases that I've seen so far....
@@btsmochimi7924 i remember when suga said in 2018 that he had to lose weight and jin said the ceo of bighit bullied him
@@estelaangeles2346 where was this? :o
I remember when Momo said she only ate an ice cube for a week (i think) and she was scared she would gain weight even from that.
What really pissed me off is that these men's looking like a living potato speaks about standards!
I am also an ugly potato but i respect and love women just like how i love my mom
Indeed
Hey are u from India...just asking..
@@mohdrahimi6374 looks doesn't matter I respect you fo being kind to others
@@taeyongworlddomination5705 yeah 😊
i loved how taeyeon defended wendy and seulgi and called out the manager we need more ppl like her like kindness is really important and some companies dont even lets there idols eat thats so cruel
I love Taeyeon at the end defending Wendy with their manager and even cheering them up about their weight.
2NE1 was marketed as being ugly. It hit them hard, especially Minzy. Being so young growing up in such a negative environment is terrible. Debuting at 14 is difficult enough already
but despite that they showcased their talents really well.Ngl I used to find 2NE1 ugly as well ( that was when i was around 9 when first saw them ) but as time goes on, their talents outshined their looks and I was stanning them for their artistry and found them really cool.
I feel that YG lost a group of legends due to his trash ass of a decision to be biased towards BP, these ladies have proved that their talents can outshine their looks, it isn't easy to prove that unless you have an insane amount of talent, YG you are human trash
People still call Bom a plastic monster when everything she did was just to fit their ridiculous beauty standards. It's heartbreaking.
@@Mighty.Matcha. "biased towards blackpink" huh... how exactly is he biased towards the only senior group in the industry right now with no full album and only 13 songs? if you really knew about yg you would know that 2ne1 was bound disband with minzy needing a break and blackpink were actually supposed to debut in 2012. stop trying to make it seem like it's blackpink's fault.
@@YannNovas she also had plastic surgery not to fit their standarts, i heard it's also because she have that special condition like minzy that force them to have plastic surgery. Those people who called her plastic monster rlly disgusting, bom was also really pretty before her plastic surgery.
They don't completely fit a very specific standard, but regardless are beautiful.
Yoona’s face really screams “r u fcking kidding me” when they called her too fat & too thin in the same time 😭
Right! Like omg they were trying to give this backhanded compliment as if she was supppsed to take it nicely. "Oh no no, we mean you're TOO SKINNY and want you to become fatter"
And Yoona is absolutely gorgeous 💓
Find it disgusting and humiliating when they don't like you as a singer or a person but like you cuz of your body and how you look and they look like 👹💩
yeah, that comment was also bogus, I read a caption that said , that they used the fans words of her being so overworked that she's so thin that she should eat something, and they have their korean word for it. That is just picking on people.
bruuh they shouldn't even include that...its just mistranslation
Well, this is Asian culture for y'all. I live in Japan and here people are obsessed with weight and looks too, I know in other countries such as China, Vietnam and Thailand things are like this too, but Korea takes it to a whole new level. They are truly, truly obsessed with how they look and how much they weight and the bullying about it is fierce. I refuse to wear makeup but in Japan and Korea not using makeup is considered basically a crime against humanity. I'm surprised 2ne1 rehearsed without makeup because yeah, it's not the norm. That's why she was bullied by the jerk. And I used to be bullied too in Japan but I've grown a thicker skin. I did reach rock bottom though thanks to the bullying I went through. I still have leftoverPTSD from it and it's been 10yrs already. Been a long journey to heal myself and learn to not care and not depend on people's opinions about myself.
Amber is such an amazing person, willing to stand up to these toxic norms and defend her group who were being subject to that. These "standards" need to change.
I'm surprised that the guy who criticized sulli had the audacity to say anything when he himself looks ugly asf. like don't be a hypocrite.
bruh exactly
I was just gonna say the same thing.
If I were her I’d be like before u say anything fix ur teeth.
Pineapple Friend like in the beginning of the video, Shindong’s quote ‘I’m a boy, and you’re a girl.’ :/
Is it not possible that the TV show asked this person to say these things?
"I'm a boy and you're a girl"-the most 𝘀𝘁𝘂𝗽𝗶𝗱 reason i have ever heard.
Im suprised Shindong acc said that
Bang Si Hyuk Ikr... I kinda lost respect for him after reading that.
Thing is, I definitely say his words are absolutely wrong, they are supposed to be admonished, but remember he said those words many many years ago. His opinions on this definitely changed, I'm sure he is respectful these days, because I know how much a person can change in a span of years. I'm not justifying his statement, it is extremely bad, but, he is definitely not the same anymore. He is respectful to women, I'm sure he changed. But if he makes a comment like this in the recent years, I don't see the reason to like him anymore. But it was many many years ago, so just think about it. He's definitely changed. His behaviour these days show that.
@@aeiara but is he respectful to all women or to the pretty ones? Because that would say a lot.
I heard that he said years ago and he changed 👍
I bet if amber could've gotten away with slugging a couple of people, she would have. Wouldn't blame her at all.
Amber is a girl? I wonder why the company let's her be so masculine looking.
@@Dynamatrix1973 even before she debuted, she also likes to dress like that so I think the company just rolled with it
@@Dynamatrix1973 Thats just the way she likes to dress. Fuck gendered clothing
@@am5ters504 Yas!
@@Dynamatrix1973 because she can look masculine. Just because a woman is masculine doesn't mean she's less pretty. Literally stfu and stop spreading societal standards
I’m a 5’7” woman, and 117 lbs and under is underweight.
In regard to the 2018 knowing brothers clip:…
That girl was already underweight at 116 lbs.
Her boss was telling her to get to 112 or lose her job and was essentially saying, get sicker and lose your health or you’re fired.
Evil, evil, sick in the head.
Hitomi: *has chubby cheeks*
Knetz: She's fat
Hitomi: *gets skinny*
Knetz: Does she eat?
hitomi has lost a scary amount of weight. especially as shes known for her cute cheeks; she doesnt have them anymore. its sad and worrying
just an egg True but all of this stems from unrealistic Korean beauty standards
and that's just really sad
Knetz every minute: J U D G E S
Okay maybe not all knetz but you get the point😅
Not everyone is perfect. Knetizen are scary.
I can’t believe that shindong said “I’m a boy and you’re a girl” bruh
Ashurah Abrahams
which minute?
La Lalisa it was at the beginning.
Ikr, I was shocked. I really used to like super Junior but there are some members who have a problematic behavior. I remember there was this interview of goo hara where the hosts literally made her cry and there was super junior member kyuhyun there too as a host, he later apologize and all but I didn't liked his behavior there and now shindong, even tho he apologized too but that's really disgusting thing to say. Now, I really hope their fans won't attack me because I'm just saying what I personally feel about them.
Yeah that comment was so stupid... I'm wondering if he meant it out of his actual ideals, or if he meant it because he understands the current situation for male vs female idols. Like it's one thing to say it in an ignorant way, but it's different if he meant it like "Fans are cruel and the current reality is that females have a higher visual standard than males."
It means Shindong is either VERY stupid, or VERY aware of reality.
Also that other time Chungha was in a reality show and one of Super Junior members was also there. And he said something super creepy about Chungha and one of the older females called him out 🤢
4:32 Damn, people like this are the reason of sulli's suicide 🤬🤬🤬
Notice how all these men don’t hold a candle to the beautiful, stunning, gorgeous women in this video
"Your weight can never start with a 5" don't worry sir mine starts with a 6
and that sounds about right!! you go girl😌❤️
I am 62 kg and i don't have any problem with it. 😌
I'm 50 kg but im not super tall... is it normal?-
@@skyrein_2457 body shapes/weights/sizes vary a lot and since everyone is different, I don't think there is a 'normal'. i think that as long as you are healthy and feel strong, that's good:)
@@aimeezhang5790 oh okk :)
I don't want to be THAT person, but can we talk about the male k-idols behaviors? Like, they really think they have any right to comment on someone else's body? The level of sexism is impressive 😑
RIGHT, in one video it was like "what member of f(x) is fat by your standards..... like EXUSE me???? Why are you having standards on women's bodies.
@@xauloo EXACTLY. if it's his standard then why should he force HIS standard on someone else's body?? that being said, seventeen is an exception. seungkwan once no one should ever expect something from others especially if it's grounded under their own standards. that being said, seventeen shouldn't be mentioned with the likes of those men you speak of. hoshi even reacted "what the" when he read a statement that says that women should have white porcelain skin and thin body.
It’s also always super junior LMAO- they’re always pulling shit like this I can’t believe the audacity
Shindong has since apologized several times and has been shown to support plus sized women. Those comments were from almost ten years ago. He's not the same person.
Kimbra Dawn we understand but it still doesn’t change the fact that he said it.
This is always the ugliest man shaming a beautiful girl’s body 🙄
Dude, Yoonas flabbergastion when the Chinese man said the fans called her fatty is what did it for me. You could tell she was absolutely shocked. Poor thing.
When that person criticize Sulli, that kinda hurt me. I'm not even her fan, but after she died, video like this made feel disgusted with Korean beauty standard and how they treat female like an object.
Why did she died?
@@alzaen2240
Cyberbullying
• alzaen22 She did suicide
ikr? and the way amber tried to confort her . It broke me.
@@vivifree234 this is so frikin sad...
"its my standard"
and what exactly makes these men think that women will do anything to please THEM and THEIR desires?....
Period
Lol because sadly girls do makeup for other guys to look impressionable or to find a good partner
@@sagearviso1979 Not all girls do it, most of them do it to look good for themselfs or to look good for everyone, not only for men.
@@andinho6372 most girls I know who wear makeup do 🤷🏻♂️
@@sagearviso1979 most girls you've met isnt enough to generalize all of em
3:35 I love how amber ask him back, like what he said is really pissed me off
Like Bella said "this ain't build a bitch. You don't get to pick and choose..."
"He said we're ugly."
*everyone laughs*
No one should be laughing at that.
erm actually if you watch the video, they are actually laughing because CL(the lady) imitate his boss voice(YG), so they found it is funny
UGLY is stand for you U Gotta Love Yourself so when people say you're UGLY take that as motivation not as insult
They probably laughed because the guy who said this was ugly (no offense tho) himself...
Honestly my heart hurt watching this
@@flyhigh9434 I mean I get it, but to me it still isn't funny. It's disturbing.
YG should stop debuting girl idols when he wants to waste their talent and throw them away after 7 years.
YG CEO CHANGED..........SO NOW I THINK THEY WOULD HAVE MUCH BETTER CONDITION
@@riyamanoj7685 the new ceo is just a puppet. It’s all just for public image.
@@riyamanoj7685 actually the old yg CEO is actually a nice person the time it was still 2ne1 and bigbang and other group until he made new group and gained more fans I think then he changed
@@riyamanoj7685 new ceo literally was among the people who voted for 2ne1 disband
You can just support those washed-up performers all by your lonesome if you think it's unfair.
When the boy said to Sulli that it was his standard.
I wanted her to say that ugly men were not her standard.
"it's my standard" if i were the girl, i would reply this :
"hmm im glad I wasn't your standard though. does your standards finds you as their standards too anyways?"
i have no time being kind to a jerk
you only make the problem bigger.
@@yellowblobby no. these kind of people are the actual problem
@@jupither5952 Yes these kind of people are part of the problem. You are too. You simply fight fire by fire. You don't fight the problem, you use it. All you do is responding critisizing of the body by doing the same exept in a rude way. You contribute to the problem, it works both ways and if everyone keeps using it as a weapon no wonder it only gets bigger and bigger. This "no u" mentality is so childish too.
@@yellowblobby oh I've never thought of that. u got a point
@@yellowblobby that's a good point... How should we deal with those comments then
I've been seeing an increasing number of Toxic comments shaming and blaming these girls for sharing their diets and I know it's not healthy but they are just acting on what they've been taught and learned to do. It's important to remember the majority of idols don't have eating disorders and are not part of some sick pro-ana group, they are being pressured and at times forced to go on starvation diets because they're told they can't work otherwise. But they themselves also hate it and don't want to do it either.
It seems like one of the most stressful workplaces to ever be in. The fact that people blame the girls and guys is entirely beside the point. In an environment and even country that enables this sort of pressure, can you really blame them when your career you worked so hard for is on the line?
glad you addressed it with a video
Thank you so much for this video. It was incredibly eye-opening.
Could you please do a video for Dilraba Dilmurat? 🙏
I love your videos, its like a biography of the person since debut to now, its really shocking to see how many hate some people have to resist every day.
Can you do one of Hwasa of Mamamoo?? I dont have money for Patreon, but i think that she has a pretty rough story with fat shaming as well.
And as good as every single idol who has to go on such a diet warns the people out there to never follow these, especially not as a long term solution, since they are extremely dangerous!
This industry is so terrible...
It always shocks me at everyone's reaction to laugh at these scarring stories. These people dead ass find these girl's traumas funny and it infuriates me.
So true! I could never
That show is horrible in general! I don’t understand why it is still not canceled yet
That's how korea was.. Very depressing
I want to beat them
If I was on those shows they'd probably kick me out because I'd be spitting fire 😂
3:39 wtf, jihyo looks so beautiful
Yes she was so pretty
Jihyo has always been beautiful since 16 era.
Btw, i like jyp's reaction when he facepalmed after listening to the other two judges
He’s always so uncomfortable when he heard people bodyshamed the others coz he too was bodyshamed before
The thing is that he was rejected too because of his visuals, so he knows what it feels like. Ps. Imo i think JYP doesn't prioritize visuals as much as other companies.
"isnt 50 kg too much??"
EXCUSE ME ?? WTF THATS THE NORMAL AND HEALTHY WEIGHT
Depending on your height that can even be underweight :(
It's scary how they think that, according to their standards I would be super fat when I'm completely normal
Depends on your height. to me 50 would be super undeweight!
@@a_bear im 155cm tall and i weight 50kg and i hear a lot of ppl saying its normal and im happy since its kinda harder for me to gain weight 🎆
@@clownery9837 am 157 and 61 kgs and still people say it's normal in my country
thats so gross. just let girls be in control of their own bodies.
I agree let them eat all they want REAL fans would support them no matter what and fake bitches should leave if they don’t like it
But the truth is when they're on the thin side it opens more chance to them. They can be in more magazine and be a muse of some brand. They 're like a model, if they use the clothes prettily it will make people want to buy it. It means more money, fame, and fans which is the point of them being idol (harsh i know but its real 😭)
@@nafirahyumniharahap8726 It really doesnt matter about the body tho i agree with the part that people want thin people but i think it should depend on charecter, personality,attitude...But you opinion counts
idols*
My question is.... While I get the love some fans have for their fav members/groups..... How can we still support such an industry at this point anymore?.... It is 2022 and we still talk about these issues...
Because it's not the companies that their lose their livelihoods and their dreams if we stop supporting the groups.
These clips are kinda old the industry has changed since then.
Why is it so normalized for idols to talk about experiencing inhumane treatment, like dangerous dieting and constant mental pain as if it’s a joke? This is the things they aren’t afraid to say in public, so imagine what they actually do keep secret.
momo spoke in a vlive that she was forced to lose weight in a week and she only ate ice and she was afraid of falling asleep bc she was scared she’d die in her sleep.. i always think about that, my heart breaks knowing how hard it is for them i love them so much :( no one helps them
Ice??! Only?? How can she even practice
@@yestyongday I heard that thats a disorder if you do that, im not quite sure what its called but its not healthy at all. I feel bad for the girls
@@aelishajazzgarcia dude it's called bulimia lol
@@sukidakara4326 ye i didnt know what it was called, chill
@@aelishajazzgarcia yeah, I heard it from baekhyun, when people keep calling him fat, he went into a "diet" and that's what he did to lose weight. It's very sad
"There are two types of people who will judge you, woman who are jealous of you and men who are not as good as you" - Zhao Xiaotang
WISE WORDS FROM A QUEEN
So true. Ugly men love to put beautiful women down.
Be a Zhao Xiaotang, Shuxin is in the right hands.
OMFG XIAOTANG MY BABY! STAN THE9
PERIODT.
4:08 Is he f..ing kidding talking about other ppl's appearence?! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ikr! His "standard" is definitely imaginary and even then he couldn't pull her with a tow rope.
People be reacting to this like "idols are humans too", yet when they see an idol not quite fitting in their "standards" they go saying all sorts of stuff, like how they should've not been an idol. The hypocrisy of some ppl is just so funny to me (in a very sarcastic way)
exactly, everyone started insulting Shindong as if it;s ok to do that.
Let's be honest, as a woman there is just no winning when it comes to beauty standards.
As a living being. Humans are judgemental idealistic pricks that would burn an entire planet down if it meant making their selfish dreams come true.
so true. u have naturally beautiful one, people would be jealous and said its all plastic surgery even when u are just gaining weight or lose weight. the problem was these korean netizen started accuse neighboring celeb even US celebs
@@thefluffables9008 oh look it's the living saint.
can anyone actually tell me the reason why people feel the need to comment negatively about others ?? is there a psychological thing about it ? i’m so frustrated, especially with the people in the video, if they don’t like something about someone’s appearance don’t say it, why is it that they have to say something??
@@cici1474 Some people like pointing out other people's flaws because in a way it makes them feel superior. That's why there are so many toxic people.
'Fans call you fat because they are worried you're too skinny.'
Please spot what is wrong with this statement.
Pauciloquent Flibbertigibbet them too don’t add up.. like it’s shows how contradicting Korea’s society is !!
I lost my brain cells when i heard him
Yoursuperhero That was about Chinese fans, but ok.
@@MiuXiu Either way they have the same mentality
everything
Watching this was heartbreaking and shocking. I’m a big kpop fan and I’m aware female idols are unfairly treated but I never knew that it was this serious. One of the girls said her CEO strictly said her weight can never go into the 50 kgs, but the average weight of a 12 YR OLD is 41.5 kg. People HAVE to stop.
Dude the beauty standards in Korea are so crazy. I'm chronically ill and when I was healthy I was a size 4. After getting sick my weight dropped to a size zero. Things improved a little and I went up to a size 1 or 2 depending on the clothing item. Even at size 4 people always used to tell me that I was too skinny. I wasn't at all underweight tho. I don't feel good at a size 1. I can tell I'm severely undernourished in how I look and feel. The size these girls are being pushed to achieve is literally the size I'm at as a chronically undernourished sick person and that is so alarming. These girls look totally normal and healthy. The first time I saw the clip about Sulli I was so shocked bc she isn't overweight at all. In Korea they just think it's good to look almost bone thin for some reason....but they seem to have this ideal without taking into account what a body needs every day in it's basic health requirements to survive and function well. No one should be forced to eat less than allows them to get their daily nutrients in!!! Especially not young people who are still growing and being made to burn so many nutrients through their physically demanding daily activities. That is abuse! And what Shindong said is so disgusting. Like it's ok for you to be fat bc you're a guy but a girl should have to be super thin? Like no, how double standard can you be??? The only reason its like that is bc things are too male biased over there sometimes.
They have no consideration for body types either. I'm the same height and body shape as Park Bom and she's always hounded for being fat. She has a short torso and a large chest. They see her in a certain cut of shirt and it makes her look top heavy so they automatically assume fat, then talk about how skinny she looks a few days later in a different outfit.
Remember what Hwasa said
"If I cant get to Korean beauty standard, I will build my own standard"
and she is divine
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
She is a queen
It should have to be every ladies saying ..
Like "if you don't like me than don't cause I don't even care about you and I will gonna make my own way by my own specialities . your words doesn't matter even for a little bit"
Hwasa is absolute queen, legend she is the only female k-idol I admire 👍♥
Just wanna give a quick shoutout to the girls defending each other. Especially the more established girls like Taeyeon and Hyuna who have the (admittedly very little) power to speak up.
And amber!
Not really surprising when a man call woman fat but a woman calling out other woman fat??? I thought that would be easier to sympathize when you're on the same side
Same thinking
Hyuna protecting hyomin warms my heart so much.Knowing how precious their relationship is.Thanks Hyuna for being with hyomin thick or thin 🤎
"Its my standard" - Said an ugly men who has weird bold eyebrush or something
YES
I LAUGHED at this so hard and yes I agree
And weird crooked teeth set 😂
We shouldn't fight back people who says ugly stuff about anyone's physical by doing the same thing....... let's be better than that omk :(
I cannot believe he was talking with those teeth and face. 🥴
“I’m a boy and you’re a girl”
I’d reply with “I’m a human and you’re a human”
"and we bleed the same."
@@smash3439 "want some proof?"
I'd be like.."I'm a human and you're a trash" 😑
Shindong deserves a slap real big
more like "im the woman and you're a pig"
It will always be my fave part when Jihyo put on that determined face and say "I'll lose the weight". It was the confidence that radiated from her that she was gonna prove them wrong. Now look at her, she's on the fucking top
I rewatched Running Man and they talked abut Song Ji Hyo's weight in many early episodes. She was like 53kg which I think she was totally fit compared to her height, she could even gain a bit more and would still has a fit body but she was stressed abt it a lot and wanted everyone to stop talking abt it but they still brought it up sometimes, it was really annoying. In Korea I feel like if a girl's weight is above 50kg It is a threat
Korea just isnt logical. They have an ideal weight which is 48 kilos. And being over 50 is the biggest shame. I know the middle height for women is 1.60/1.62cm in Korea but many idols are taller than that. How can you expect a 1.60cm tall and a 1.72cm tall girl to weight the same?
Ikr! The other day I saw Joy's profile and it says that she's 1.68 and her weight is 49 kg, that is just not healthy. I know that some agencies modify their idols' profiles making it more "appealing" but what kind of fucked up message are they sending to young fans?
@@OosarahrocksoO pretty sure she's more than that because the profile's tend to exaggerate their weights to be lower but she's still slim and thankfully has a healthy relationship with food and exercise
I ran out of ideas for my username yeah, they’re definitely exaggerated and the profile weight/height is usually taken right before debut. Most groups, especially girl groups, go on really extreme diets together before debut (maybe the most extreme of their entire career since they’re trying to be as thin as possible). Most idols I’ve seen who are asked about their profiles usually laugh and are like “yeah, definitely more than that now.” I’ve also seen a girl who’s clearly like 5’3” be listed at 5’5” and another girl who looks at least 5’6” listed as 5’4”. Really hilarious when you then see those idols next to each other later and go uhhhh something isn’t right here lol
@@OosarahrocksoO that's one of the worst and most overlooked part, in my opinion. I am not belittle-ing how awful these women are getting treated, but i think it must be so hard, especially for young female audiences, to be presented with these types of bodies all the time. Teenagers especially are already so insecure and fragile, thinking about it really scares me
Tzuyu is 172cm and weighs 48kg
And thats the same weight as dahyun and chaeyoung who are 158-159cm
I find CL rly attractive is it jsut me she’s rly beautiful in her own way her eyeliner compliments her face rly well
I am gay for her. I call her Chaerin oppa! 🥰🥰
Yes she's so beautiful but in Koreans standard is the opposite, like tf? What's inside your eyes?
@jonathan hell no this is not a place for 2ne1 slander. they are all beautiful and talented. i bet you don't have as much talent in your whole body as they do in they leg
@jonathan are you entering a new circus rn ma'am ❤❤?
jonathan r u kidding she’s so beautiful she has high check bones that pop and her eye makeup compliments her eyes so well
confidence and kindness is what makes a girl or any person beautiful remember that
Coming from South Korea where 90% of their "beauty" was made by the surgery knife.
US celebrities are also beautiful by knife. Just a different looking standard.
@Dot Euphoria be direct..... Cause not all have plastic surgery😐
@@jiminxbts4880 its the same with korea then not all have plastic surgery
@@sunshineyrainbows13 Yeah the western standards are just as scary with their extreme cartoonish figures.
@@jiminxbts4880 they said "the 90%"
"It's my standard" he said, with his teeth pointing in three different directions! To a woman who committed suicide, due to comments like that! Hope you sleep well at night, my dude. >:(
Bruh this comment is underrated
May i be pardoned but i lost it and almost burst into laughter when you mentioned his teeth. 😅😂😂
Ikr like NOBODY cares to fulfill his standards anyway because nobody would want to be with a person like him. Like, what kind of standard is that? Her arms are "too fat" so I won't date her/I don't find her pretty? Shitty standard shows a shitty person.
What's worse is she is no longer with us, I hope that guy feels guilty asf
*Three different directions* lol🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
My blood boiled when that guy told Sulli she needs to lose fat in her arms and calves!! UGGHHH
Yonna Dalangin pissed me off how she went straight to saying she was going to loose weight...ugh no don’t fucking listen to men with opinions like that especially when they’re the ones who should be insecure with their looks
And she is so skinny already! I really feel bad for her. May she rest in peace
@Sasha you can loose muscle?😂as someone who lost most of my body weight a few years ago (including any muscle I had) the only thing that you can’t lose without surgery is the skin. Even then you’d have to have a lot of it to realise.
@Sasha no you did that. Nobody mentioned the ones she was born with. She clearly has a little bit of muscle purely from daily tasks I imagine but I don’t think that’s a bad thing. She wasn’t born with them.
Do you deleted like six of your comments to then comment the same thing underneath🤔
One of the girls in the video said she was 1.7m and 53kg, she was already underweight by health standards, and her CEO forced her to lose 2 more kg?!
As a woman..I really felt sick and disgusted after seeing this video ...my perception..my views about Korea and kpop entirely changed ...I request the starved victims shown in the video to have self respect...love yourself...no need to starve for others or in order to look good..becoming a kpop idol at the cost of starving is just NOT WORTH IT ...
They’re trying to laugh it off so they don’t get in trouble, wow that hurts :(
the kpop industry is hell for girl idols
@@shaden.8570 the same for boys too I just hate their standards disgusting
Yes... I noticed the fake laughs...
that's the exact fake laugh i do when someone says something hurtful in public but i have to shrug it off like it's something funny ugh
Laughing in sadness. I mean to pretend that they are alright🥺🥺
When the chinese guy was calling yoona fat and skinny at the same time. She looked just as bewildered as I felt. Like what the hell bro
Plus she's skinny because she suffered malnutrition as a child.
That comment must have felt too close to home.
Apparently he says that the netizens called her pangpang (which means fatfat) as a wish for her to gain weight
He didn't call her fat. He was explaining that fans call her that because they wish she'd GAIN some weight. You guys need to read things properly and not making things up.
@agahse The thing is that people always make something up and cause more drama. Overall it's not that big difference but in a slightly different scenario, it could be.... If you address a certain thing you should interpret it correctly.
I agree with the last part. Both versions are bad and that man should do a bit of self-reflection.
Your reading comprehension is worse
holy f*ck this needs to change, i can't even.
Why am I crying? Why is this relatable? Why do we live in such a world! I don’t understand.
“...Girls have to be visually pleasing and talented whereas a guy can be ugly but if he’s funny they’ll say he’s charming...”
- 4MINUTE Nam Jihyun (Leader)
Nonsense. Men are being judged by the looks as well.
"guy can be ugly but if he’s funny they’ll say he’s charming". Same can be said about girl.
@@petrasb1 Nope, women are not called charming if they don't look the part. give one name
petrasb1 They are not judged as much as women.. don’t even try to compare it
@@petrasb1 chaeryeong from itzy is the whole package: she can dance sing and rap and has a very funny and outgoing personality. yet she is EXTREMELY underappreciated by both jyp and the fans only because her looks dont fit their standard or whatever. with guys this doesnt happen as often
petrasb1
Of course they are being judge
But men often find an obese woman more “disgusting” than obese men
And somehow woman think the same way too
The thing is, Korea is a different place with America or any other countries
Their standard is so hard, especially female artists, you cannot deny it by anyway
so to koreans: Hwasa who is naturally curvy needs to lose weight because she looks too "thick" compared to other idols BUT Lisa who is naturally skinny needs to gain weight because "she doesn't even look like a woman and has no assets"
Wendy was called fat every single day in 2015 and when she lost the weight she "looked like a skeleton"
Umji has been bullied by knetz so much that she performed with her face covered by her hair
Tzuyu has been harassed because of her body since she was like 16
Sooyoung is naturally skinny and she's called a stick and not a "real" woman even to this day
Naeun is somehow both fat and skinny at the same time
CL can't even breathe without getting called ugly and fat
the list goes on and thats sad
Like knetz don't know what they want
@@itznia_ok8069 lisa said she jad to lose weight
Wasn’t Tzuyu harassed for wearing revealing clothing when she was 16?
Estela Angeles uhm when did she said that? she even says that she doesn’t diet because she dances everyday
Sunmi gets criticized too for being too skinny, like female idols can never win
The messed up part is the people who aren't attractive themselves are so hard on other people.
the last part of the video, those last words are so warm
the sad thing is, in korea no matter how tall the girl is, if she's over 50kg they consider her "chubby"
@i hate math Ikr? Like they think that people don't have bones?
@i hate math it seems they don't. Tzuyu is an example of this. She's 172cm tall but still weighs lile 50kg. My sister is 155cm tall and she weighs that and people call her skinny. Just imagine the standard difference.
I hate that, ofcourse hight is important in considerating the "healthy weight", and even that weight is not healthy enough sometimes.
Thats just sad and should be like that:(
This makes me upset as hell. Im muscular/skinny but the muscles weight much more than fat so my weight is always higher. Before I started training my weight was 48kg but now it's close to 60kg. People seem to think its better to be dying in a skinny body than being healthy weight living a active lifestyle.
The dude commenting on F(x)'s weight has clearly never looked into a mirror before.
Did you know the name of that show?
@@christianyuscrush5273 hello counselor
I'm repulsed by him
Amber is so angry
Exactly. I know he has his nerve.
i love jackson, he has so mush respect for women
people need to learn from him
Korean beauty standards are so cruel💔
RIP sulli 🥺😭
I like how taeyeon defend Seulgi and Wendy to thier managers, she's such a good unnie.
The AUDACITY of these men talking about these beautiful girls. While looking like a pig themselves. I'm sorry it frustrates me so much. Why can't they just mind their business. Women aren't some kind of doll you can just change the way you like.
there are A LOT of douchebags like them.
There was a women saying 51kg is too high too though?
Why are men's like this :( . They don't deserve girls.
@@bby_ningning Rude people don’t deserve kind people.
@@bby_ningning most arent yk
I feel like taeyon in the last clip was trying to tell the girls to not be ashamed of eating/gaining weight but in a way that wouldn’t annoy their manager. It’s natural to eat at every age!!
If you call someone ugly, if shows who you *are* as a person than them