Sadly my brother is a misogynist. You describe the type very well. I know that he was somehow shaped this way, but our father was a feminist. As a woman, I can’t interact with my brother anymore and he will never be able to understand why.
If you want a good "gotcha" argument, point out the facts. If we tally up, throughout history, the amount of male-on-male violence, it far out weighs male-on-female violence, female-on-male violence and female-on-female violence. Thus, the people who hate men the most are none other than men themselves. Here's a good challenge to pose to your mysoginist brother: be an activist to end male-on-male violence. See how much of his life it takes up to speak with other men to convince them to be less violent towards each other. I grew up as a boy and transitioned because I hated being a men among men. One of the talking points mysognists have is that men do all the warfare and "protecting". This logic is flawed when analyzed through the lense of gender based violence. Men's solution to equality is violence towards women rather than peace towards men. This exposes them as being all around violent and lacking sorely needed social skills, making them weak men who can't control their emotions and behaviors.
Yep, mine parades as a feminist but corners me every holiday to sxualy harass me. Just to remind me how much he actually secretly h8s women but resents having to keep it pinned up. He wants to punish me because I'm a women who he can't manipulate but also I'm not married so he knows no man will stick up for a woman who is free spirited or who has integrated her masculine and feminine.
Let him be. He is digging the hole and will try to bury you before him if you try to reason with him. I can guarantee that he got it from gamers and Internet in general.
@@kiriki4558 I think you have to blame more specific groups. Because being a gamer is normal in the younger generations. It'S a hobby lots of people have. My bf and his brother respect respect women and they're both gamers. There is super friendly gamers out there like Manlybadasshero, that are just nice normal people. It's specific groups of people in the gaming community that have this mindset and they're very loud sadly
You just don’t understand that soft men likely carry other traits that you don’t want for a long term relationship and family. A soft man isn’t defending you on the street when someone says “give me your money.”
In the age of social media, I have noticed that men who are well-known to be caring, and loving 🥰 to their wife/partner and children get ridiculed by other men for openly valuing what she brings to the table and benefitting from loving his wife and kids… It’s very sad how men must police 👮 other men and try to ruingood relationships of other men with THEIR wife/gf/parner!
Literally no men do that. Every man is jealous of a married man with a good wife. The issue is we don’t have enough good women to make into good wives. You’re too busy trying to be in your masculine.
Stoicism is definitely not about being cold and detached from one’s emotions. It’s about living a virtuous and balanced life. It’s therefore crucial to have the ability to be kind and empathetic, to be able to put selfish desires aside so that one may truly love and act for the common good of humanity. And accomplishing that state of living is in itself a pleasure and a freedom from suffering. Misogynistic "alpha males" know nothing of selfless virtue, they only know how to dominate and take. That said, I wholeheartedly agree with what you’re saying and appreciate the video. Thank you!
I think it's a disservice to humanity that the word "stoic" has been hijacked to mean suppressing one's emotions and demonizing them (toxic masculinity, born of spiritual weakness), when historical Stoicism was anything but that. There's nothing stoic about denying your nature and waging an inner war with yourself. Isn't that supposed to be its antithesis, in fact? It's not _being in control_ of your emotions if you _subdue_ them. You're just letting them control you by your denial of them.
Well, in a way, it is making yourself less reactive, which could make you seem cold and detached. And detachment is definitely a form of stoicism, because you have to be objective and focused on higher principles, rather than your primal, animalistic nature. In that sense, yes, it should ultimately make you feel less emotional and more rational.
@@nicoleowens2318 these guys are so lacking in self-reflection that they can't even figure out where nature is speaking in them and where rationality is speaking. it is normal for them to present their anger or lust as rationality since they are men and by definition rational because of it! no matter what they do. men's emotions are not emotions, they are rationality and logic. these guys are solipstic because they have no self-awareness and cannot be detached and rational by definition. bonus: it has been scientifically proven that men are more self-centered, and due to biological factors it is more difficult for them to comprehend stoicism than women
@@nicoleowens2318 these guys are so lacking in self-reflection that they can't even figure out where nature is speaking in them and where rationality is speaking. it is normal for them to present their anger or lust as rationality since they are men and by definition rational because of it! no matter what they do. men's emotions are not emotions, they are rationality and logic. these guys are solipstic because they have no self-awareness and cannot be detached and rational by definition. bonus: it has been scientifically proven that men are more self-centered, and due to biological factors it is more difficult for them to comprehend stoicism than women
How is aggression not seen as emotional? That doesn’t make sense. Obviously anger and aggression are emotions, and they’re very strong emotions that often control people and make them less logical, rather than more logical.
I think we should rename the so-called gendered traits: not feminine, but receptive. Not masculine, but assertive. As it is, people tend to conceive of "feminine" as "submissive" or "passive" as a contrast to the "masculine" "dominant" or "active." I don't find that accurate, and I don't think many other people do, either. Someone in an assertive phase may develop a project, create something, reach out into the world, make new friends or contacts; someone in a receptive phase may listen to another's input, take time to nurture the developing idea or project or relationship. These are things that all people do. There is no "less than" or shame for anyone in any of these. I think we just need new words to match what aren't really new ideas, just misunderstood ideas.
Victim-blaming is what predators do to give themselves permission/pass to do what they REALLY want to do, and still maintain the ego-dellusion of 'basically' being a "good" guy.
It's just the auto translation knowing that that is how men perceive the traits they perceive negative within themselves. I chuckled but found it very fitting 😂
This was absolutely perfectly delivered. I intend to use this video to teach my three girls about this concept. I have experienced this repeatedly in my interactions with my soon to be ex-husband. It's the reason why it is ending. I felt that being in my feminine was unacceptable to him and he made feel like I had to "man up" because my feminine energy was too much for him to tolerate. I felt terribly alone and unheard, unworthy. Thank you for this content. Please don't stop sharing.
There is a youtube influencer called Elle who talks about this dynamic. These types of men hate women..straight up and women need to get far, far away from them.
Great video! It took me a long time to really see this in my own life because misogyny is embedded into women one way or another so you somehow wind up empathizing with someone who outright hates you and then doing as they do and neglecting your own emotions lol... I can see half the comments are from disgruntled dudes that have been called out but don’t seem to realize that’s why they’re triggered.
Yes I think I hit a little close to home for some haha. Sometimes we internalize hatred because it’s so imbedded into our society. I hope you’ve been able heal and are surrounded by people who are supportive and trustful.
Thanks! Unfortunately people with those types of issues aren't known exactly for being the types to seek personal growth or therapy. It's a problem because those types of attitudes are very destructive to us as a society. They are for the most part unconscious of their behaviour and sometimes they are also women who hate other women secretly or just a hater of some type.
Ironically they get stoicism wrong. Stoicism at its core is pursuit of excellence and virtue by overcoming difficulties in day to day life, and recognizing what is and isn't within our control. Peace of mind is the goal. Stoicism isn't a rejection or full detachment from emotions. It's acknowledging what you feel and why, and choosing not to let it dictate how you act. For example, a Stoic having a bad day will recognize that they are feeling upset, and probably go through why they're feeling like that. They will then realize that it isn't Random Joe or Jane's fault and try to be polite to them regardless of what they're dealing with.
@@danielcrafter9349 lol what point do you think I'm trying to make here? You're not explaining anything to me. The patriarchy and perceiving these traits more as one gender or the other is harmful to everyone. I'm sorry you need this explained to you.
Actually, I see many men very emotional, but their emotions are anger and entitlement, manipulation, especially when they do not get what they want, also many men take their bad mood on their close family members. As for women, I think, there are many times they are emotional from frustation: they want normal, human interraction and get this parody of a man terrorizing them, not responding to any problems in relationship, gaslithning and so on. Then frustration builds, because they feel traped and powerless with that behaviour. And only cure is to leave that man and carrefully find yourself (in fact it is hard task) psichologically stable, cheerful man, kindhearted man, who cherishes relationships and has the same goals in life and has no machism in themselves. Throw out that bag of problems and do not try to empathy with those men, just throw out that rotten potato or you be traped and frustrated all the time with him. People do NOT change. That is hard lesson for women to learn, because from childhood women are taught kindness, empathy, to cherrish family values and love, to bare every nasty behaviour from men, and tries to analize and understand that horrible behaviour, but are not taught to value themselves and their lifes and do not take bad demeanor from men. And, most important, that people do not change, ever, and men from biological standpoint are much more agressive and egotistical and many of them want to use women and even other men. Also, do not trust men very easily, do not believe in their words, give enough time to test a man, because many of them are not suitable for being good partners.
That usually goes into the reverse extreme, of being a self stalemate. The kind of guys that try a little too hard to be nice, Aren't assertive enough when there's obvious social cues, Keep giving into toxic situations, etc Kind of like how, extreme masculinity can become toxic, Being too feminine or soft can put you at the mercy of other toxic people. That's why maintaining the balance is important. You want to maintain a certain level of general self-awareness and confidence, But without overstepping obvious boundaries. This is also why it's important for women like myself to have a certain level of assertiveness, Because sometimes when we are trying to be a little too feminine, we end up surrendering all of our power to the wrong people, And just suffer because of it. And the truth is, the only people that are going to expect you to surrender all of your power, are probably not the kind of people you want to be around. So that's typically your first cue; If someone is easily put off every time you try to express yourself, that is a huge red flag you should try to avoid.
@@DarcBloom Honestly I think I fell into that pit-trap, of being too "feminine" or whatever as a guy. I hate how I'm expected to conform to a gender binary. I don't want to be the mans-man. or the trans girl, or whatever. I just want to be myself, y'know? Thank you for your advice, stranger. I'll write it down for later reading whenever I need it.
😂 the funny part! Men will get into their anima nature once they get old!! While the women will tend to lean on to the opposite! You will see men becomes softer as they age ! Its like when pencil is not as strong as it is before men will tend to be looking for someone to take care of them rather than taking care of someone! Thats why this old folks then to gravitate to younger women as they age older!
They feel their physical power is getting lower so they know their weakness, plus their testosterone gets lower as their aggressiveness. And it's so true that they want someone to take care of them so they act like lambs!
@@asamicat8323 i agree once their p ……nis doesn’t work anymore! Unlike before, in their head my time has come!!!so these alpha males who think they are so strong ! 🤣 once they hit certain age ; 45-50 suddenly the sickness started to show up and p…… nis shrinks it’s size too as they get order! If they have money as they grow older it will help them get young women, sure but ; let’s not forget as you get older the more you need money for your hospital bills, and medication maintenance!!! Like lets be real men unless you have enough money to support yourself as you age and that young women better! But most of these old men are living paycheck to paycheck and still they expect these young women to fall on their tricks and convince them its love 😂😂😂 like Sir Be real!! you want young women but you’re stingy and old who will fall for that? Thats why they use love when they courted these young women!!! 🤣 for young women!!!be careful! That old man you’re dating might not be able to provide for you completely because they will rely on their. Retirement which is not that big, unless he have business or other sources of income! But if you’re young don’t get old men who is stingy please!!! They have smell too nominal is the name 🤣. choose the best old men if you want to be with someone older! Noticed most of these men are stingy nowadays!!! until men grows older they never lose any opportunity to use women!!! either hospice care, ego boost! Etc without properly compensating women!!! 🤣 like for real what do we get from these men? we can work, sx??? We can just buy toys to satisfy us 🤣, emotional support? Nope we have friends and family! While these men are literally alone with no friends and their baby mama or their kids don’t contact them anymore because they are menance to their family. 🤣
Wow, it is amazing to hear a man describe this. I had thought that men who hate women must see us as a living creature that embodies all the traits they're told would make them pathetic and weak but somehow sometimes they view that creature as being treated better than them and that makes them angry. The way you described it makes this make sense.
What if I can’t express my emotions not because I don’t accept them but because I experience harsh rejection over and over for a prolonged period of time? What If it’s easier to detach because things get worse whenever I try to be open?
Are you conflating expression of emotions with telling someone you're interested in how you feel? If you go to my page you can find my email and maybe get a better idea of the situation.
@@therapeuticaromatics No, I don’t mean wanting to date someone or anything like that. Just being open, talking about my feeling and how I am actually doing. I've come to the conclusion that it has to do with my undiagnosed autism and how my way to be is not accepted or appreciated. I will always be alien.
Great content just please try to edit the subs in future because it's saying things like "emotional death" instead of "depth" and "animal" instead of "anima"... I was watching without the sound and it took me a while until I realised what was actually being said... 😂
They consider emotions “feminine” and foreign, they do not accept he’ll reject anything he considers feminine as a danger to his masculinity. For women, they are already connected with their feminine so it’s a matter of whether they integrate their masculine qualities of project them.
@@therapeuticaromatics why this focus on being 100% masculine? I don't want to be insistent or anything, just I don't get were it comes from, ok they want also to look better then the other men because they want their approval, but why not wanting the approval of of women also? I sometimes joke their obsession with men seems gay but might be actually be?
@@gaia7240 its not that they hate emotion, its just that they have different emotions and less negative ones. In cases where women start to cry, complain or get hysterical men get angry or dont feel much at all. What you mean by "emotions" is for the most part the open display of helplessness, for women showing weakness is a good strategy because people care. But for men its the opposite, not only no one cares how they feel, people get actively repelled by such a man. Also it destroys the mens self image if he allows himself to be a bitch in front of others.
@@gaia7240 Men dont hate emotions, but they have it different than women. In a cases where women would get sad or start complain men tend to get angry or feel nothing instead. Also men get punished for showing weakness very hard not only by other men but by women as well. Nobody care about their feelings, so it doesnt make sense to entertain them. Evolutionarily Women only utilise negative emotion to such an extent, because people actually care about their wellbeing.
In the case of my now ex-husband, his father was cruel. He was physically abusive and taunted my husband and wanted to 'toughen him up'. I think he bottled up a lot of the rage he had towards his father, plus he somewhat envied his father's lack of nurturing and kindness, thinking that was the quality of a 'man'. I think he also really despised his mother who DID display the feminine qualities and also was unwilling/unable to protect him from his father. So his role model was an unfeeling bully who had all the power. His 'nurturing' mother was 'weak' and he certainly knew what happened to you if you were weak......
It's not really a thing. We were raised in patriarchy and taught to have implicit bias towards putting archaic masculine keyed things above archaic feminine ones. It even shows within what choices people make when they are making misandry statements. They are STILL not advocating in archaic feminine ways but archaic masculine ones. 🥹 And also sexism is systemic! We do not have misandry for there's no systemic occurrence of it as of yet, in most places. Only individual instances. But sure, talking about individual cases or behaviours is possible.
The toxic-male/incel take on Stoicism is absurd and divorced from its real intent (in the same way that these types often mischaracterize stubbornness and cruelty as "just being rational", or dismiss the hurt they cause by accusing the other party of being "too emotional"). Read Epictetus or Marcus Aurelius if you want to understand the essence of Stoicism. But here's the Cliff Notes version: We are urged to do what is right and good for its own sake, and not to attach ourselves to the transitory or superficial, such as money or fame or power. And we are counseled to make peace with whatever comes by seeing it, not in terms of our own temporary discomfort or inconvenience, but to view ourselves as merely part of a larger community, in the broader context of the long arc of history. I can't think of a philosophy more at odds with the selfishness and cruelty of hegemonic masculinity.
Totally agree, I’m just drawing a parallel. Especially for those who approach philosophy with ingenuousness and superficiality. Most people who appreciate or practice actual stoicism don’t fall into this.
You're letting words get in your way of knowledge. Animus and anima are not essentially a man-woman thing. More like recognizing them with names and concepts that would make it easier for people in that time to understand what he was trying to say.
“The enema embodies traits like sensitivity.” That made me laugh. Subtitle screw ups are funny sometimes. Sorry, I know that has nothing to do with the video.
@@TwisterTornado you aren’t thinking of feminine and masculine they way they are meant here. You’re being too literal, while these concepts are abstract.
@@TwisterTornado Also, the entire point is for women to be logical without being masculine and for men to be logical without losing or suppressing their emotional/feminine/chaotic side. That would be the definition of mentally androgynous balance in all humans, which is the entire point of working with the anima and animus. You are so hung up on semantics that you don’t realize you are arguing for what you believe you are arguing against.
@@TwisterTornado this has nothing to do with sexism. The entire point is mental androgyny for all, and most people identify more with one set of traits with the other. You can think of it as “right brained” or “left brained,” which also are terms that don’t necessarily mean what they are used as colloquially. It seems the entire issue you have is with labeling any traits at all masculine and/or feminine in nature, but again it doesn’t mean it exactly like you would use those terms in everyday life. Also, everything is split in duality, and to deny that is to deny it in yourself, which would make for a very unbalanced anima/animus.
It does. Go watch von Franz, she was a disciple of Jung and she explains it very well. Not integrating your anima can affect deeply your relationships with women
Nice message but work a little on the scripting and delivery to make it a bit more concise without ums and pauses that are a bit too long. Though if this was made all in one take as a quick thing I understand. 👍
If that was a choice, dear, we'd all long have done that but allas we all know it's not a choice and we don't wanna frame it that way. Since that's frequently part of homophobic "opinions" that harm people around them. Also you DO care when you're discriminated against it systemically due to said dislike. And it result in e.g. getting dismissed with medical needs and concerns. This is not about people pleasing men. It's about stopping abuse, femicide (which affects lesbian women, too, since abusers don't care for your preferences).
So this is how straight men see the world...Interesting. I guess then "male" and "female" in the modern social sense relate more closely to a lot of these jungian concepts than the person themself. Or is the fact that they are named after the birth sexes part of the issue? Like: since someone is female, they're expected to embody all traditional female characteristics.
Right so society has certain gender expectations. We are born with masculine and feminine qualities (in the archetypal sense). We end suppressing some of the qualities we associate with the other gender (we do this to with social morals and that would be your shadow).
@@therapeuticaromatics Oh! Okay. I didn't know if this underlying assumption was at the base of the info in the video. I mean, in the grand scheme of things related to any jungian work, much less referring to anything related to the anima or animus, it seems obvious. Although, it's surprising how many people go into Carl Jung's work without keeping the social expectation of suppressing one's "opposed" traits in mind. It actually kinda sucks how people are seemingly encouraged not to be fully integrated. I mean, I know they aren't literally encouraged, but the nuance between being a male with integrated anima and a male who is "like a female" is lost on a child. Crazy as it sounds to us (what with having seen both men with integrated anima and "femmy men" with unintegrated anima), I kinda wish adults understood that it's hard for a kid to understand or grasp. Maybe, focus more on that integration first before harping on the whole gender thing.
All I hear is: They need PROFESSIONAL therapy. To deal with their relationship difficulties, personal traumas and parental figures. GO TO THERAPY.Period. Stop projecting your unresolved issues + traumas and expect them to deal with it and fix for you!
One of the underlying goals of therapy is individualization/integration. Mental health professionals can help us integrated the aspects of ourselves that we do not accept or straight out reject including our anima/animus or shadow self
I see. This is where I completely reject Carl Jung's ideas. I don't view 'sensitivity' or 'nurturing' as feminine at all. (Likewise, I don't view 'providing' or protecting' as masculine) In my eyes, I am not feminine, and am only very slightly masculine (if at all). Does this mean that I am trying to reject the 'Anima'? I certainly don't care for it, but nor do I care for the 'Animus' either. I have no need to masculinize myself at all, as society already does that for me, especially with how I look and how I dress. 'Aggression' and 'dominance' are signs of moral and psychological weakness, and have no place in polite society. This is why some men are panicking about a perceived 'loss of masculinity', as either consciously or unconciously, they hold masculinity as something that inherently has to leverage some advantage over others, that it somehow has to exist at the expense of others. And it all leads me to one conclusion. All this talk of the" feminine side" or the "masculine side" is to me just outdated, gender-essentialist nonsense. I hope that society will grow past such ugly, outdated, and honestly downright dangerous ideas about how people are, and the 'sides' they have to themselves. In time, people will understand that they cannot hide behind masculinity or femininity, and that holding onto those things only hurts themselves in the long run. There is no 'Anima'. There is no 'Animus'. There is only the human soul, hungering for completion. Do not shy from it. (I will add too, that I feel very disconnected from my emotional/spiritual aspects, not in that I can't feel them, but rather I have no faith in my understanding of them. Of course, all of this still isn't enough to make me hate or resent women, my self-righteous ego would never allow it. And there is nothing anyone can do to change this, as I am this way not for the sake of others' love or attention or for any material gain, but simply because I cannot allow things to be any other way. Others could proclaim their hatred of who I am, but it can never hurt me in any way that matters. Even in my dreams, my subconscious still reflexively feels the righteous wrath that before, I thought I felt only on a conscious level. Turns out, it goes much deeper than I thought. It's reassuring to know that even the dreaming self still knows what is right and wrong, for it purges all doubt in my mind about the sincerity of my convictions. I will also add that I honestly don't understand how one is to view another person as an object. I've heard about it for years, but I still don't understand it. It worries me. Surely I should know how this works, being born a man and all (a man with an attraction to women, no less!). But something in my mind can't figure out how to do it. If someone could explain to me how objectifying others works, then I would be extremely grateful. I want to make sure that I am understanding it correctly.)
I question the scientific validity of many of Carl Jung's ideas, but he made some excellent observations of how society functioned (at the time, at least). I disagree with the notion that there are inherently "feminine" or "masculine" traits, or that women and men are intrinsically feminine and masculine respectively. People are taught to follow those roles, not born to follow them. We as a society have labelled aspects of our personalities and behaviours as feminine or masculine. However, it makes sense that when men and boys are encouraged to express "masculine" traits, and discouraged from expressing "feminine" traits, that they would resent those who are encouraged to express "feminine" traits, namely women and girls. Jung should have been a sociologist, not a psychologist.
Really valid points! Usually when I use masculine and feminine in a psychoanalytic context, I’m usually talking more archetypically, and what we see as masculine and feminine socially changes over time which are the qualities we surpress to “fit in.” The goal is to integrate both aspects to become an authentic human being. I usually refer to Jung as a psychoanalyst rather than a psychologist. The theories are much more useful to English majors than psychologists although psychoanalysis was the precursor to psychology.
Andrew Tate, and his followers, would be a good example of this. You are overgeneralizing the manosphere though. That's too broad a term. "Red pill" maybe be a better word for what you're descibing.
Why? Maybe it is the self absorbed solipsism coupled with aversion to accountability and tendency to assume the victim position even when clearly acting as aggressor. Is that every woman? No. Is it a large enough sample to create the negative stereotype? Yes. Did I read this in a book or hear it on a podcast? No. It is the conclusion I have drawn over decades of empirical observation and personal experience. Does that make me a misogynist? Whatever. Like I care. P.S. married 27 years. She’s happy
The first step to misogyny is the belief that any of those human traits you listed are inherently male traits or female traits. The only difference is what traits women get rewarded for vs what traits men get rewarded for.
There are light and dark aspects of both masculine and feminine. There are aspects of masculine energy that are being repressed on a societal level, our collective shadow. When you repress something you end up with conflict. The inner world is a reflection of the outer world and vice versa.
Good question. I think they would be super feminine trad-wives, who judge men by their financial status alone, thinking men are meant to be walking ATM machines. They may also be the ones who see men/masculinity as the sole cause of war and violence (toxic masculinity). They are like the flip side of extremely macho men. There is both misogyny and misandry in the world, but misandry is not recognized as much in the media, and it's easier to get away with making hateful comments about men.
It'll look like holding politeness and extreme feminine beauty standards above their own wellbeing. Like going out of their way to deliberately not assert themselves or take up space, even pretending they don't know something they know, so that someone else can do it for them. Interaction-wise with other women, it'll be like avoiding or changing the topic away from anything intellectual/worldly towards topics of children, make-up/clothing, housecare, shaming other women for not having children or for not shaving their legs/underarms. "Act like a lady" talk, so rejecting gauche/awkwardness (gotta be graceful at all times) rejecting social faux pas, and your tastes have to be aesthetically and socially prioritized rather than prioritizing functionality.
I think a lot of misogyny is explained by un-tempered men taking women's words at face value (as they would do with a fellow man because it makes sense from a male perspective) and then being disappointed with the results, not realizing that a woman's relationship with the Universe is totally different from a man's so her mode of living must be totally different too. Thus, they fail to see how from an intuitive standpoint there's no benefit to a woman to have her word be her bond -- that's a masculine virtue, not a feminine one. Thus, the energies don't match, they compete. Good takes, though you might be giving grifters' words too much credence because ultimately hateful people will find excuses to hate people instead of working on themselves. There's no need to dignify such simple truths with overly complex responses, even if it ticked all the right boxes. Example: You don't need to categorize people as "narcissistic" just because they treat you poorly as a result of them not respecting you. Sometimes they can just be a-holes who don't respect you. Good talking points. Glad to see a fellow man getting it.
That first paragraph is rather weird, and not true about women. If a woman is not meaning what she is saying it is most likely because she feels threatened and is trying to not set off an aggressive reaction towards her. And women growing up in such conditions are very much likely to say what men want to hear instead of the truth. Secure women's word can be taken at face value, i promise you that.
@@nomoreraisins Should men expect women to be truthful and factual, then? EDIT: Polite reminder not everyone's first language is English. I thought it was obvious I meant 'honest'.
You got it wrong, men that are that way and are called "misogynists" do not thing emotions are a weak expression. The bad use of emotions are. It means that feeling sadness of feeling fear is NOT weakness. But crying and being a coward IS an expression of weakness and that is no good for society.
A woman can triangulate the same way a man can. One might argue she's not "showing up" as a woman. I really can't tell, she shows up for me. "This will translate into him straight up hating and being afraid of women". Uh, uh, straight up, so you say. Sounds pretty gay.
Sadly my brother is a misogynist. You describe the type very well. I know that he was somehow shaped this way, but our father was a feminist. As a woman, I can’t interact with my brother anymore and he will never be able to understand why.
If you want a good "gotcha" argument, point out the facts. If we tally up, throughout history, the amount of male-on-male violence, it far out weighs male-on-female violence, female-on-male violence and female-on-female violence. Thus, the people who hate men the most are none other than men themselves.
Here's a good challenge to pose to your mysoginist brother: be an activist to end male-on-male violence. See how much of his life it takes up to speak with other men to convince them to be less violent towards each other.
I grew up as a boy and transitioned because I hated being a men among men. One of the talking points mysognists have is that men do all the warfare and "protecting". This logic is flawed when analyzed through the lense of gender based violence. Men's solution to equality is violence towards women rather than peace towards men. This exposes them as being all around violent and lacking sorely needed social skills, making them weak men who can't control their emotions and behaviors.
Yep, mine parades as a feminist but corners me every holiday to sxualy harass me. Just to remind me how much he actually secretly h8s women but resents having to keep it pinned up. He wants to punish me because I'm a women who he can't manipulate but also I'm not married so he knows no man will stick up for a woman who is free spirited or who has integrated her masculine and feminine.
Let him be. He is digging the hole and will try to bury you before him if you try to reason with him.
I can guarantee that he got it from gamers and Internet in general.
@@kiriki4558 I think you have to blame more specific groups. Because being a gamer is normal in the younger generations. It'S a hobby lots of people have. My bf and his brother respect respect women and they're both gamers. There is super friendly gamers out there like Manlybadasshero, that are just nice normal people. It's specific groups of people in the gaming community that have this mindset and they're very loud sadly
Same unfortunately.
As my ex used to say, "you're too soft." Turns out the only men I like are soft men 😁🥰
Women, in general, prefer softer men.
The minute you find out somebody has something to prove, that's when you know you're at best an accessory.
You just don’t understand that soft men likely carry other traits that you don’t want for a long term relationship and family. A soft man isn’t defending you on the street when someone says “give me your money.”
@@nickthompson1812 lmao you are so insecure 😭
@@nickthompson1812 and yet, look how many soft men are not looking for a woman who can stand them!!
@@nickthompson1812 Nope, I just like soft men. I can manage those other types of men just fine on my own in a civilized society.
Misogyny is very dangerous. Stay away from them at all costs 🤕😩
how? they’re everywhere.
And misandrists, they're pretty toxic as well.
@@Sarcasmarkus Not usually as violent though.
@Sarcasmarkus misandry hurts egos
@@yakimalpi my brother's x-rays tell a different story.
In the age of social media, I have noticed that men who are well-known to be caring, and loving 🥰 to their wife/partner and children get ridiculed by other men for openly valuing what she brings to the table and benefitting from loving his wife and kids…
It’s very sad how men must police 👮 other men and try to ruingood relationships of other men with THEIR wife/gf/parner!
Because they want to be able to abuse us so they don’t want us to have to realize we can get better
Literally no men do that. Every man is jealous of a married man with a good wife. The issue is we don’t have enough good women to make into good wives. You’re too busy trying to be in your masculine.
Envy makes people act that way.
too bad evens the “feminine” ones don’t wanna be yall wives💀
And women who try to convince their so called friends to leave or cheat on their husbands because 'husbands' and little else.
Stoicism is definitely not about being cold and detached from one’s emotions. It’s about living a virtuous and balanced life. It’s therefore crucial to have the ability to be kind and empathetic, to be able to put selfish desires aside so that one may truly love and act for the common good of humanity. And accomplishing that state of living is in itself a pleasure and a freedom from suffering. Misogynistic "alpha males" know nothing of selfless virtue, they only know how to dominate and take.
That said, I wholeheartedly agree with what you’re saying and appreciate the video. Thank you!
All of this! Redpillers are so inept at introspection that they misrepresent stoicism as cold and aloof.
I think it's a disservice to humanity that the word "stoic" has been hijacked to mean suppressing one's emotions and demonizing them (toxic masculinity, born of spiritual weakness), when historical Stoicism was anything but that.
There's nothing stoic about denying your nature and waging an inner war with yourself. Isn't that supposed to be its antithesis, in fact? It's not _being in control_ of your emotions if you _subdue_ them. You're just letting them control you by your denial of them.
Well, in a way, it is making yourself less reactive, which could make you seem cold and detached. And detachment is definitely a form of stoicism, because you have to be objective and focused on higher principles, rather than your primal, animalistic nature. In that sense, yes, it should ultimately make you feel less emotional and more rational.
@@nicoleowens2318 these guys are so lacking in self-reflection that they can't even figure out where nature is speaking in them and where rationality is speaking. it is normal for them to present their anger or lust as rationality since they are men and by definition rational because of it! no matter what they do.
men's emotions are not emotions, they are rationality and logic.
these guys are solipstic because they have no self-awareness and cannot be detached and rational by definition.
bonus: it has been scientifically proven that men are more self-centered, and due to biological factors it is more difficult for them to comprehend stoicism than women
@@nicoleowens2318 these guys are so lacking in self-reflection that they can't even figure out where nature is speaking in them and where rationality is speaking. it is normal for them to present their anger or lust as rationality since they are men and by definition rational because of it! no matter what they do.
men's emotions are not emotions, they are rationality and logic.
these guys are solipstic because they have no self-awareness and cannot be detached and rational by definition.
bonus: it has been scientifically proven that men are more self-centered, and due to biological factors it is more difficult for them to comprehend stoicism than women
Finally... a man on the internet who has actually studied before speaking about the female mind. 👍👍
He is most likely gay he sounds gay . Sorry to the guy if I judged wrong
Or he's manipulative
That’s not a man sorry
@@wilwad"We can always tell"?🙄
@@wilwad men do really see people as their gender and not their humanity eh?
How is aggression not seen as emotional? That doesn’t make sense. Obviously anger and aggression are emotions, and they’re very strong emotions that often control people and make them less logical, rather than more logical.
Anger is the emotion aggression is the action or behaviour..
beautifully laid out. i gained a deeper understanding thanks to you.
I think we should rename the so-called gendered traits: not feminine, but receptive. Not masculine, but assertive.
As it is, people tend to conceive of "feminine" as "submissive" or "passive" as a contrast to the "masculine" "dominant" or "active."
I don't find that accurate, and I don't think many other people do, either.
Someone in an assertive phase may develop a project, create something, reach out into the world, make new friends or contacts; someone in a receptive phase may listen to another's input, take time to nurture the developing idea or project or relationship. These are things that all people do. There is no "less than" or shame for anyone in any of these.
I think we just need new words to match what aren't really new ideas, just misunderstood ideas.
Women have to assert their feminity. Its not masculine to assert yourself, your rights, your needs etc.
WORD!
Victim-blaming is what predators do to give themselves permission/pass to do what they REALLY want to do, and still maintain the ego-dellusion of 'basically' being a "good" guy.
That sounds bigger than just anima suppression, that’s whole neurosis
Good video, but the constant typos in the captions changing “anima” to “enema” had me 💀
It's just the auto translation knowing that that is how men perceive the traits they perceive negative within themselves.
I chuckled but found it very fitting 😂
Yeah, that’s automatic transcription for you
Yeah men should embrace their enemas 😂
Same 🤣
Enema rejection 😂
From my experience, a lot of ppls entire identity rely on being better than others. And they dont know whom they are without it.
This was absolutely perfectly delivered. I intend to use this video to teach my three girls about this concept. I have experienced this repeatedly in my interactions with my soon to be ex-husband. It's the reason why it is ending.
I felt that being in my feminine was unacceptable to him and he made feel like I had to "man up" because my feminine energy was too much for him to tolerate. I felt terribly alone and unheard, unworthy.
Thank you for this content. Please don't stop sharing.
There is a youtube influencer called Elle who talks about this dynamic. These types of men hate women..straight up and women need to get far, far away from them.
Great video! It took me a long time to really see this in my own life because misogyny is embedded into women one way or another so you somehow wind up empathizing with someone who outright hates you and then doing as they do and neglecting your own emotions lol... I can see half the comments are from disgruntled dudes that have been called out but don’t seem to realize that’s why they’re triggered.
Yes I think I hit a little close to home for some haha. Sometimes we internalize hatred because it’s so imbedded into our society. I hope you’ve been able heal and are surrounded by people who are supportive and trustful.
A hit dog will holler.
Good for you. When in a world, more and more misogynist views are being spread. You put this out. Very proud of you. We need more men like you!
Thanks! Unfortunately people with those types of issues aren't known exactly for being the types to seek personal growth or therapy. It's a problem because those types of attitudes are very destructive to us as a society. They are for the most part unconscious of their behaviour and sometimes they are also women who hate other women secretly or just a hater of some type.
Ironically they get stoicism wrong. Stoicism at its core is pursuit of excellence and virtue by overcoming difficulties in day to day life, and recognizing what is and isn't within our control. Peace of mind is the goal. Stoicism isn't a rejection or full detachment from emotions. It's acknowledging what you feel and why, and choosing not to let it dictate how you act.
For example, a Stoic having a bad day will recognize that they are feeling upset, and probably go through why they're feeling like that. They will then realize that it isn't Random Joe or Jane's fault and try to be polite to them regardless of what they're dealing with.
Its beyond me why you dont have 1000s of likes.
This is whats happening to men at a spiritual level.
Great analysis!
Personality traits aren't gendered. Just be a good, well rounded person.
True
But they are perceived to be more likely in one or t'other gender
That's the point
I'm sorry this needs to be explained to you
@@danielcrafter9349 lol what point do you think I'm trying to make here? You're not explaining anything to me. The patriarchy and perceiving these traits more as one gender or the other is harmful to everyone. I'm sorry you need this explained to you.
@EmmaJean-g3v how so? Cuz.. all the science that's been put out since kinda.. proves it wrong.
@EmmaJean-g3v define it.
@EmmaJean-g3v oh got it. It just "feels" right, aka just trust me bro. 🤦♀️
Actually, I see many men very emotional, but their emotions are anger and entitlement, manipulation, especially when they do not get what they want, also many men take their bad mood on their close family members.
As for women, I think, there are many times they are emotional from frustation: they want normal, human interraction and get this parody of a man terrorizing them, not responding to any problems in relationship, gaslithning and so on. Then frustration builds, because they feel traped and powerless with that behaviour.
And only cure is to leave that man and carrefully find yourself (in fact it is hard task) psichologically stable, cheerful man, kindhearted man, who cherishes relationships and has the same goals in life and has no machism in themselves.
Throw out that bag of problems and do not try to empathy with those men, just throw out that rotten potato or you be traped and frustrated all the time with him. People do NOT change.
That is hard lesson for women to learn, because from childhood women are taught kindness, empathy, to cherrish family values and love, to bare every nasty behaviour from men, and tries to analize and understand that horrible behaviour, but are not taught to value themselves and their lifes and do not take bad demeanor from men. And, most important, that people do not change, ever, and men from biological standpoint are much more agressive and egotistical and many of them want to use women and even other men. Also, do not trust men very easily, do not believe in their words, give enough time to test a man, because many of them are not suitable for being good partners.
Man haters like you don't deserve anything more than those toxic men you whine about.
Anger is a secondary emotion. It is a defence mechanism.
Quality content. You explained something I have been trying to figure out for years, and even how To help it.
Phil Dunphy was kind of a sleazeball. He had massive wandering eyes for a good while there.
Would love to hear more about this but from the inverse. For example a man who's connected to his feminine but not his masculine side
I shall post a video about that this week. On the extreme end, it can lead to gynophobia.
That usually goes into the reverse extreme, of being a self stalemate.
The kind of guys that try a little too hard to be nice,
Aren't assertive enough when there's obvious social cues,
Keep giving into toxic situations, etc
Kind of like how, extreme masculinity can become toxic,
Being too feminine or soft can put you at the mercy of other toxic people.
That's why maintaining the balance is important.
You want to maintain a certain level of general self-awareness and confidence,
But without overstepping obvious boundaries.
This is also why it's important for women like myself to have a certain level of assertiveness,
Because sometimes when we are trying to be a little too feminine, we end up surrendering all of our power to the wrong people,
And just suffer because of it.
And the truth is, the only people that are going to expect you to surrender all of your power, are probably not the kind of people you want to be around.
So that's typically your first cue;
If someone is easily put off every time you try to express yourself, that is a huge red flag you should try to avoid.
@@DarcBloom Honestly I think I fell into that pit-trap, of being too "feminine" or whatever as a guy.
I hate how I'm expected to conform to a gender binary. I don't want to be the mans-man. or the trans girl, or whatever. I just want to be myself, y'know?
Thank you for your advice, stranger. I'll write it down for later reading whenever I need it.
Or a woman who can't connect with her masculine side, does she become a men's hater? It doesn't seem the same to me
😂 the funny part! Men will get into their anima nature once they get old!! While the women will tend to lean on to the opposite! You will see men becomes softer as they age ! Its like when pencil is not as strong as it is before men will tend to be looking for someone to take care of them rather than taking care of someone! Thats why this old folks then to gravitate to younger women as they age older!
They feel their physical power is getting lower so they know their weakness, plus their testosterone gets lower as their aggressiveness. And it's so true that they want someone to take care of them so they act like lambs!
@@asamicat8323 i agree once their p ……nis doesn’t work anymore! Unlike before, in their head my time has come!!!so these alpha males who think they are so strong ! 🤣 once they hit certain age ; 45-50 suddenly the sickness started to show up and p…… nis shrinks it’s size too as they get order! If they have money as they grow older it will help them get young women, sure but ; let’s not forget as you get older the more you need money for your hospital bills, and medication maintenance!!! Like lets be real men unless you have enough money to support yourself as you age and that young women better! But most of these old men are living paycheck to paycheck and still they expect these young women to fall on their tricks and convince them its love 😂😂😂 like Sir Be real!! you want young women but you’re stingy and old who will fall for that? Thats why they use love when they courted these young women!!! 🤣 for young women!!!be careful! That old man you’re dating might not be able to provide for you completely because they will rely on their. Retirement which is not that big, unless he have business or other sources of income! But if you’re young don’t get old men who is stingy please!!! They have smell too nominal is the name 🤣. choose the best old men if you want to be with someone older! Noticed most of these men are stingy nowadays!!! until men grows older they never lose any opportunity to use women!!! either hospice care, ego boost! Etc without properly compensating women!!! 🤣 like for real what do we get from these men? we can work, sx??? We can just buy toys to satisfy us 🤣, emotional support? Nope we have friends and family! While these men are literally alone with no friends and their baby mama or their kids don’t contact them anymore because they are menance to their family. 🤣
@@asamicat8323 Humans are perfectly capable of living independently. Men are socialized by patriarchy to seek women to take care of them.
Great video. More please. Let's get this channel jumping!😊
One of the greatest benefits I’ve enjoyed in my life, as a man, is to learn from amazing people, both men and women. There is so much to learn
OMG, this is pretty much all of history, men in all cultures hating and restricting women.
Unfortunately yes :( patriarchy dating back to 3500 BC
@@therapeuticaromatics no evidence...just assumptions. It is a fact that patriarchy was needed due to the environmental needs
Wow, it is amazing to hear a man describe this. I had thought that men who hate women must see us as a living creature that embodies all the traits they're told would make them pathetic and weak but somehow sometimes they view that creature as being treated better than them and that makes them angry. The way you described it makes this make sense.
Thank you! This was super informative! I never thought of it from the Jungian anima/animus perspective
What if I can’t express my emotions not because I don’t accept them but because I experience harsh rejection over and over for a prolonged period of time? What If it’s easier to detach because things get worse whenever I try to be open?
Are you conflating expression of emotions with telling someone you're interested in how you feel? If you go to my page you can find my email and maybe get a better idea of the situation.
@@therapeuticaromatics No, I don’t mean wanting to date someone or anything like that. Just being open, talking about my feeling and how I am actually doing. I've come to the conclusion that it has to do with my undiagnosed autism and how my way to be is not accepted or appreciated. I will always be alien.
Beautiful exposition 💜 It’s insane to reject entire natural features of us
This seems very well thought out.
I love this video…. Amazing video. Thank youuuu!
Thank you for watching!
Great content just please try to edit the subs in future because it's saying things like "emotional death" instead of "depth" and "animal" instead of "anima"... I was watching without the sound and it took me a while until I realised what was actually being said... 😂
Balance. A man should be strong and protective, provide for a family biy be loving and soft with his womam and family amd strong when needed. Balance
But why do they hate emotions? Why does this behavior afflict most men?
They consider emotions “feminine” and foreign, they do not accept he’ll reject anything he considers feminine as a danger to his masculinity.
For women, they are already connected with their feminine so it’s a matter of whether they integrate their masculine qualities of project them.
@@therapeuticaromatics why this focus on being 100% masculine? I don't want to be insistent or anything, just I don't get were it comes from, ok they want also to look better then the other men because they want their approval, but why not wanting the approval of of women also? I sometimes joke their obsession with men seems gay but might be actually be?
@@gaia7240 its not that they hate emotion, its just that they have different emotions and less negative ones. In cases where women start to cry, complain or get hysterical men get angry or dont feel much at all.
What you mean by "emotions" is for the most part the open display of helplessness, for women showing weakness is a good strategy because people care. But for men its the opposite, not only no one cares how they feel, people get actively repelled by such a man. Also it destroys the mens self image if he allows himself to be a bitch in front of others.
@@gaia7240 Men dont hate emotions, but they have it different than women. In a cases where women would get sad or start complain men tend to get angry or feel nothing instead.
Also men get punished for showing weakness very hard not only by other men but by women as well. Nobody care about their feelings, so it doesnt make sense to entertain them.
Evolutionarily Women only utilise negative emotion to such an extent, because people actually care about their wellbeing.
In the case of my now ex-husband, his father was cruel. He was physically abusive and taunted my husband and wanted to 'toughen him up'. I think he bottled up a lot of the rage he had towards his father, plus he somewhat envied his father's lack of nurturing and kindness, thinking that was the quality of a 'man'. I think he also really despised his mother who DID display the feminine qualities and also was unwilling/unable to protect him from his father. So his role model was an unfeeling bully who had all the power. His 'nurturing' mother was 'weak' and he certainly knew what happened to you if you were weak......
I am really looking forward to the video on animus rejection!
It's not really a thing. We were raised in patriarchy and taught to have implicit bias towards putting archaic masculine keyed things above archaic feminine ones.
It even shows within what choices people make when they are making misandry statements. They are STILL not advocating in archaic feminine ways but archaic masculine ones. 🥹 And also sexism is systemic! We do not have misandry for there's no systemic occurrence of it as of yet, in most places. Only individual instances.
But sure, talking about individual cases or behaviours is possible.
@KxNOxUTA misogyny and misandry both can be non systematic...arising from personal trauma
Well explained!
Very clear, and very much in keeping with my experience as a woman.
really nice and peaceful empowerment of the man to let happen to jim, what is naturally inside of him (non-violent!). I LOVE :)
So important for a man to be able to connect with his emotions, because in turn the love he shares with someone will be genuine and authentic 😄
Thank you, great explanation.
Please, make a video about animus rejection for women as well, this is very interesting
The toxic-male/incel take on Stoicism is absurd and divorced from its real intent (in the same way that these types often mischaracterize stubbornness and cruelty as "just being rational", or dismiss the hurt they cause by accusing the other party of being "too emotional"). Read Epictetus or Marcus Aurelius if you want to understand the essence of Stoicism. But here's the Cliff Notes version: We are urged to do what is right and good for its own sake, and not to attach ourselves to the transitory or superficial, such as money or fame or power. And we are counseled to make peace with whatever comes by seeing it, not in terms of our own temporary discomfort or inconvenience, but to view ourselves as merely part of a larger community, in the broader context of the long arc of history. I can't think of a philosophy more at odds with the selfishness and cruelty of hegemonic masculinity.
Totally agree, I’m just drawing a parallel. Especially for those who approach philosophy with ingenuousness and superficiality.
Most people who appreciate or practice actual stoicism don’t fall into this.
good video! every day you learn something new
eloquent and very interesting.
Thanks for watching 🙏 😊
It's a shame that Jung assigned traits to genders - and the proceeded to explain both genders have them. 🙃
It makes sense. Socially certain groups resist traits within them. All he did was analyze.
I promise you, you're not as smart as you think you are. Jung was a genius. You're a product of false ideologies and can't think for yourself
You're letting words get in your way of knowledge. Animus and anima are not essentially a man-woman thing. More like recognizing them with names and concepts that would make it easier for people in that time to understand what he was trying to say.
“The enema embodies traits like sensitivity.”
That made me laugh. Subtitle screw ups are funny sometimes. Sorry, I know that has nothing to do with the video.
Find the laughter in life where you can 😂
Thankyou for this
Wow that makes sense now , thank you
Can you talk about Animus rejection? Granted that seems a lot less prevalent
Makes me wonder what happens when a guy has an easy time integrating their feminine but not their masculine on the equivalent inverse of this video
They wouldn’t be able to assert themselves, would be way overly effeminate, they’d have trouble being logical and may be overly emotional, etc….
If a man identifies with his anima from a young age he ends up 💅🧚
@@TwisterTornado you aren’t thinking of feminine and masculine they way they are meant here. You’re being too literal, while these concepts are abstract.
@@TwisterTornado Also, the entire point is for women to be logical without being masculine and for men to be logical without losing or suppressing their emotional/feminine/chaotic side. That would be the definition of mentally androgynous balance in all humans, which is the entire point of working with the anima and animus. You are so hung up on semantics that you don’t realize you are arguing for what you believe you are arguing against.
@@TwisterTornado this has nothing to do with sexism. The entire point is mental androgyny for all, and most people identify more with one set of traits with the other. You can think of it as “right brained” or “left brained,” which also are terms that don’t necessarily mean what they are used as colloquially.
It seems the entire issue you have is with labeling any traits at all masculine and/or feminine in nature, but again it doesn’t mean it exactly like you would use those terms in everyday life. Also, everything is split in duality, and to deny that is to deny it in yourself, which would make for a very unbalanced anima/animus.
Rejecting Anima has nothing to do with misogyny...
explain
It does. Go watch von Franz, she was a disciple of Jung and she explains it very well. Not integrating your anima can affect deeply your relationships with women
you guys really have to check the subtitles before you post because when it spelled “enema” instead of “anima”, I lost it 😂😂😂
As I’ve been told 🤣😭
Just a friendly reminder that 'anima' and 'enema' are not the same word. 🙃
Great video but wished he had checked the subtitles before submitting. 😅
You pretty much just summed up the "manosphere."
Nice message but work a little on the scripting and delivery to make it a bit more concise without ums and pauses that are a bit too long. Though if this was made all in one take as a quick thing I understand. 👍
Thank you for the feedback! It’s definitely something I will work on!
So mature and humble!❤@@therapeuticaromatics
I don’t care when males hate me. Just go be gay bro 😅
If that was a choice, dear, we'd all long have done that but allas we all know it's not a choice and we don't wanna frame it that way. Since that's frequently part of homophobic "opinions" that harm people around them.
Also you DO care when you're discriminated against it systemically due to said dislike. And it result in e.g. getting dismissed with medical needs and concerns.
This is not about people pleasing men. It's about stopping abuse, femicide (which affects lesbian women, too, since abusers don't care for your preferences).
What a messes up world we live in.
So this is how straight men see the world...Interesting. I guess then "male" and "female" in the modern social sense relate more closely to a lot of these jungian concepts than the person themself. Or is the fact that they are named after the birth sexes part of the issue? Like: since someone is female, they're expected to embody all traditional female characteristics.
Right so society has certain gender expectations. We are born with masculine and feminine qualities (in the archetypal sense). We end suppressing some of the qualities we associate with the other gender (we do this to with social morals and that would be your shadow).
@@therapeuticaromatics Oh! Okay. I didn't know if this underlying assumption was at the base of the info in the video. I mean, in the grand scheme of things related to any jungian work, much less referring to anything related to the anima or animus, it seems obvious. Although, it's surprising how many people go into Carl Jung's work without keeping the social expectation of suppressing one's "opposed" traits in mind.
It actually kinda sucks how people are seemingly encouraged not to be fully integrated. I mean, I know they aren't literally encouraged, but the nuance between being a male with integrated anima and a male who is "like a female" is lost on a child. Crazy as it sounds to us (what with having seen both men with integrated anima and "femmy men" with unintegrated anima), I kinda wish adults understood that it's hard for a kid to understand or grasp. Maybe, focus more on that integration first before harping on the whole gender thing.
YES to the Phil Dunphy example!!
Lovely❤. U have our heart
We, as a species, have a lot of growing to do.
shout out to completely rational and logical stoic chads viscerally blaming all of societys ills on women
gotta be one of my favorite genders 💀
I really feel sad for those men.
Kitne limiting beliefs Wale hai.
Aadhe population ko hi hate kar diya. 😂
All I hear is: They need PROFESSIONAL therapy. To deal with their relationship difficulties, personal traumas and parental figures.
GO TO THERAPY.Period.
Stop projecting your unresolved issues + traumas and expect them to deal with it and fix for you!
One of the underlying goals of therapy is individualization/integration. Mental health professionals can help us integrated the aspects of ourselves that we do not accept or straight out reject including our anima/animus or shadow self
I see. This is where I completely reject Carl Jung's ideas. I don't view 'sensitivity' or 'nurturing' as feminine at all. (Likewise, I don't view 'providing' or protecting' as masculine) In my eyes, I am not feminine, and am only very slightly masculine (if at all). Does this mean that I am trying to reject the 'Anima'? I certainly don't care for it, but nor do I care for the 'Animus' either. I have no need to masculinize myself at all, as society already does that for me, especially with how I look and how I dress. 'Aggression' and 'dominance' are signs of moral and psychological weakness, and have no place in polite society. This is why some men are panicking about a perceived 'loss of masculinity', as either consciously or unconciously, they hold masculinity as something that inherently has to leverage some advantage over others, that it somehow has to exist at the expense of others. And it all leads me to one conclusion. All this talk of the" feminine side" or the "masculine side" is to me just outdated, gender-essentialist nonsense. I hope that society will grow past such ugly, outdated, and honestly downright dangerous ideas about how people are, and the 'sides' they have to themselves. In time, people will understand that they cannot hide behind masculinity or femininity, and that holding onto those things only hurts themselves in the long run. There is no 'Anima'. There is no 'Animus'. There is only the human soul, hungering for completion. Do not shy from it.
(I will add too, that I feel very disconnected from my emotional/spiritual aspects, not in that I can't feel them, but rather I have no faith in my understanding of them. Of course, all of this still isn't enough to make me hate or resent women, my self-righteous ego would never allow it. And there is nothing anyone can do to change this, as I am this way not for the sake of others' love or attention or for any material gain, but simply because I cannot allow things to be any other way. Others could proclaim their hatred of who I am, but it can never hurt me in any way that matters. Even in my dreams, my subconscious still reflexively feels the righteous wrath that before, I thought I felt only on a conscious level. Turns out, it goes much deeper than I thought. It's reassuring to know that even the dreaming self still knows what is right and wrong, for it purges all doubt in my mind about the sincerity of my convictions. I will also add that I honestly don't understand how one is to view another person as an object. I've heard about it for years, but I still don't understand it. It worries me. Surely I should know how this works, being born a man and all (a man with an attraction to women, no less!). But something in my mind can't figure out how to do it. If someone could explain to me how objectifying others works, then I would be extremely grateful. I want to make sure that I am understanding it correctly.)
Ah the Shadow.....
I question the scientific validity of many of Carl Jung's ideas, but he made some excellent observations of how society functioned (at the time, at least). I disagree with the notion that there are inherently "feminine" or "masculine" traits, or that women and men are intrinsically feminine and masculine respectively. People are taught to follow those roles, not born to follow them. We as a society have labelled aspects of our personalities and behaviours as feminine or masculine. However, it makes sense that when men and boys are encouraged to express "masculine" traits, and discouraged from expressing "feminine" traits, that they would resent those who are encouraged to express "feminine" traits, namely women and girls. Jung should have been a sociologist, not a psychologist.
Really valid points! Usually when I use masculine and feminine in a psychoanalytic context, I’m usually talking more archetypically, and what we see as masculine and feminine socially changes over time which are the qualities we surpress to “fit in.” The goal is to integrate both aspects to become an authentic human being.
I usually refer to Jung as a psychoanalyst rather than a psychologist. The theories are much more useful to English majors than psychologists although psychoanalysis was the precursor to psychology.
Do it on animus rejection, pls?
Andrew Tate, and his followers, would be a good example of this. You are overgeneralizing the manosphere though. That's too broad a term. "Red pill" maybe be a better word for what you're descibing.
Yes definitely, I think Carl Jung would have a field day with that.
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Why? Maybe it is the self absorbed solipsism coupled with aversion to accountability and tendency to assume the victim position even when clearly acting as aggressor. Is that every woman? No. Is it a large enough sample to create the negative stereotype? Yes. Did I read this in a book or hear it on a podcast? No. It is the conclusion I have drawn over decades of empirical observation and personal experience. Does that make me a misogynist? Whatever. Like I care. P.S. married 27 years. She’s happy
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Creating does nothing for me, It only makes me feel inept and pathetic for even trying.
The first step to misogyny is the belief that any of those human traits you listed are inherently male traits or female traits. The only difference is what traits women get rewarded for vs what traits men get rewarded for.
I think you’re missing the point of the video…
There are light and dark aspects of both masculine and feminine. There are aspects of masculine energy that are being repressed on a societal level, our collective shadow. When you repress something you end up with conflict. The inner world is a reflection of the outer world and vice versa.
I think this is what basically broke up our marriage.
Dont talk about stoicism if you do not understand stoicism.
Quick feedback: clip your mic and let it do it's job. The sound was weak until you brought the mic closer when you gestured. Great video! Keep it up!🎉
You can also reduce "ums" by stopping recording between your points.
Also...er, edit your captions. 😉
Thank you! I will work on this!
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Ohhhhhh this is interesting 😊
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Feminine protest basically
Good video…
If men hate or dislike women, look at thier mother, same with its against males...
Mothers definitely have a huge impact but that’s a topic for another video
i thought this was anime rejection lmao
What do women who reject the masculine look like?
Good question. I think they would be super feminine trad-wives, who judge men by their financial status alone, thinking men are meant to be walking ATM machines. They may also be the ones who see men/masculinity as the sole cause of war and violence (toxic masculinity). They are like the flip side of extremely macho men. There is both misogyny and misandry in the world, but misandry is not recognized as much in the media, and it's easier to get away with making hateful comments about men.
It'll look like holding politeness and extreme feminine beauty standards above their own wellbeing. Like going out of their way to deliberately not assert themselves or take up space, even pretending they don't know something they know, so that someone else can do it for them. Interaction-wise with other women, it'll be like avoiding or changing the topic away from anything intellectual/worldly towards topics of children, make-up/clothing, housecare, shaming other women for not having children or for not shaving their legs/underarms. "Act like a lady" talk, so rejecting gauche/awkwardness (gotta be graceful at all times) rejecting social faux pas, and your tastes have to be aesthetically and socially prioritized rather than prioritizing functionality.
They may be a trad wife. They may also reject anything masculine as "toxic masculinity".
@@audy2174 it sounds very stereotypical and based on your prejudices of femininity
@@prschuster no, trad wives are often insecure people
I think a lot of misogyny is explained by un-tempered men taking women's words at face value (as they would do with a fellow man because it makes sense from a male perspective) and then being disappointed with the results, not realizing that a woman's relationship with the Universe is totally different from a man's so her mode of living must be totally different too. Thus, they fail to see how from an intuitive standpoint there's no benefit to a woman to have her word be her bond -- that's a masculine virtue, not a feminine one. Thus, the energies don't match, they compete.
Good takes, though you might be giving grifters' words too much credence because ultimately hateful people will find excuses to hate people instead of working on themselves. There's no need to dignify such simple truths with overly complex responses, even if it ticked all the right boxes.
Example: You don't need to categorize people as "narcissistic" just because they treat you poorly as a result of them not respecting you. Sometimes they can just be a-holes who don't respect you.
Good talking points. Glad to see a fellow man getting it.
You mean women lie
Women do the same shit
That first paragraph is rather weird, and not true about women. If a woman is not meaning what she is saying it is most likely because she feels threatened and is trying to not set off an aggressive reaction towards her. And women growing up in such conditions are very much likely to say what men want to hear instead of the truth. Secure women's word can be taken at face value, i promise you that.
@@nomoreraisins Should men expect women to be truthful and factual, then?
EDIT: Polite reminder not everyone's first language is English. I thought it was obvious I meant 'honest'.
@@nomoreraisins feminist nonsense, women also lie to manipulate, avoid responsibility and gain other advantages. Don't be a simp.
Andrew Tate 😂
So mommy issues ?
Terrible audio
I don’t like Carl Jung, but the anima/animus might be an existing concept, it’s just that’s actually the animAL within instead.
You got it wrong, men that are that way and are called "misogynists" do not thing emotions are a weak expression. The bad use of emotions are. It means that feeling sadness of feeling fear is NOT weakness. But crying and being a coward IS an expression of weakness and that is no good for society.
So were STILL not talking about the reverse? The Animus?
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I literally posted a video on the animus...
Men hate the anima in themselves because women hate the anima in men.
A woman can triangulate the same way a man can. One might argue she's not "showing up" as a woman. I really can't tell, she shows up for me. "This will translate into him straight up hating and being afraid of women". Uh, uh, straight up, so you say. Sounds pretty gay.
Try not to shake your head so much when you talk. It's very distracting.
Ever considered not being evil to little boys, so they don't reject?
What???