Slavoj Zizek on Aleksandr Dugin and Ukraine
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.พ. 2023
- Slavoj gives his perspective on the war in Ukraine and how it contrasts with Aleksandr Dugin's.
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Zizek is getting something wrong when he claims Dugin is inconsistent because of his modal switching between "moral relativism" and "absolute anti-westernism." The easy refutation to make is that Dugin argues that the west is "culturally racist" (i.e., America / NATO are the world police who impose late-capitalist neoliberal "democracy" on the more traditional societies of the east and the global south), and, by extension that intolerance of intolerance for civilization-scale subjects is justified (i.e., the west is a globalist tyrant that is intolerant of regional identities and value systems, hence it is okay to call for the destruction of the west). The more nuanced refutation is that it is a part of Dugin's Logos to oppose the west as the "Atlanticist" nemesis of his own project of creating a pan-continental Eurasian bloc - it is a natural feature of Dugin's own ontological "pole" in the new multipolar model of Civilizations (plural). Zizek straw-manned him. Not terribly impressive, I have to say.
I think he is inconsistent, because he doesn't call for the destruction of the russia, because it is a tyrannical oligarchy that is intolerant of regional identities and value systems, hence it should be okay to call for it's destruction and yet he doesn't, instead he promotes russian imperialism. Truth is, none of these russia neo-nazis are interested in a multipolar world, this is just a rhetoric distraction a mask they use as part of their propaganda and informational warfare to undermine the west. It's a way for them to justify their own imperialist ambitions.
@AnnexIptaru but Dugin's project is "culturally ra***t" too. And may be not only cultural. That is only the words that he say for foreing people about his own project of creating a pan-continental Eurasian bloc, i see that a lot of his fans had strange opinion abot that block, you know like it will be multicultutar, but this nation is our enemy, that nation is stupid, those nation is worthy of respect. How there can be multicultutalism when it based on such ideas. His project is a project where i have to put "***" instead or that word when i talk about him - that why i think so
If the west is racist why the hell do they invite Dugin on interviews? Not racist enough I have to say.
@@DanielMilotinov Because most westerners consider Russians (Rus, not Tatars and other asiatics) 'white'.
Besides, Dugin is about as edgy as a theorist can be and still get an interview on American television. He has a certain dark charisma.
Culturally racist? Race is a biological category. Have words lost all meaning?
My impression about Dugin is that he wasn't a popular figure in Russia up until the invasion of Ukraine. Russian state television did not invite him to speak because of his polarizing views. He was in fact more popular in the west than at home, being described as Putin's court philosopher. It was only until the car bomb, which in a strange twist of fate killed his daughter instead of him, that he became a known figure in Russian news. Still, his esoteric ideas about an orthodox theocracy lack traction at home. On the other hand, his geopolitical views are more palpable when he advocates for multipolarity instead of universalist western liberalism.
He was very popular in appropriate circles.Though, It is true that he only became popular among the masses after the car bomb
I read multiple of his books in 2014, also CCRU, moldbug, Fischer, nick land, Negarestani💅
I'm just ahead of the curb like that. Sigh... cant relate to people learning about those guys now theyre always 10 steps behind 💅
Well then read about the innocent people who were bombed to death on Yeltsin's orders in '93. He was in the crowd...
Был он на телевизоре и не раз, если что и все его в интеллектуальных и политических кругах россии знали.
well. it is literally Alister Crowly fan (no joke) who was obsessed with monetizing his philosophical works came into power of whispering absolulte bizzarrre fascist ideas to Putin who actually believes in his "great historic role"
Dugin is the Heiddegarian that Zizek wished he was
Since when has Zizek cared about Heidegger? He is (or claims to be) Hegelian and Lacanian.
Dugin, as in loves a neologism and destined to become a nazi.
Dugin's thinking seems to me symptomatic of a general conservative pattern of thought. They're at best skeptical of Enlightenment-type values wherein all beliefs ought to be scrutinized by reason which we're all endowed with because that leaves certain traditions and practices vulnerable to critique. That's where "relativism" becomes useful to them, but the second they've established that nothing can be thoroughly understood ("so you have no right to criticise our beliefs and practices") they put up a bulwark of absolutism around it and declare everytihng else sheer chaos. Peterson I think is cut from a similar cloth.
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Yup, spot on!
@oshay1988 If you accept his framing. From what I gather, he doesn't seem to have any problem with global hegemony as such, only when "the wrong culture" has it. If a framework lacks an analysis of power disparities, it's both a political red flag (these are not ideological allies) and an epistemological one (it implies a disregard for structural phenomena, which is bound to render the results somewhat superficial).
@@fede2 no
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Dugin's basic argument is that in the 20th century there were three political theories or paradigms of thought, communism, liberalism and fascism. Most political discourse today falls into one of these categories. Dugin attempts to establish a fourth political theory outside of these three which he feels have exhausted themselves. Whether he accomplishes this in his writing or not, is to me irrelevant. Attempting to do so is in itself original philosophical thought which is rare in these times, and much needed. He is a must read for people serious about political philosophy.
Interesting
what is the political theory? religious fundamentalist statism and multipolar coexistence?
@@elemental3066 "religious fundamentalist statism" No.
"multipolar coexistence"?
Maybe.
My sense is that he is making an attempt at a fourth way. The reader can decide if it is realistic or not.
@@shyman3000 My issue with him is his hard stance in religious fundamentalism, nationalism, and "a special truth", multi-polarity, etc, its very now classic post-modern reactionary, "satanic west" etc, more of a superstitious leap backwards to the middle ages
@@shyman3000 than an attempt at something new, just from what I've heard
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What shirt ?
We need a third wheel. The issue is bicycles have two wheels.
Worry or not his ideology appears to be working
Nope
its hardly his ideology, its age old lol
Poland, Lithuania, Ukraine and others all have nationalists that _have_ to be pro-EU to be anti-USSR, but those nationalists still can't be accepting of other people. Because they are nationalists. So all of them have this schizophrenic quality about them where they try to both embrace the new EU values while also resisting against them.
I'm not sure anyone can really predict how these thing will go in the distant future. And Hungary is different because they don't need to be anti-USSR to be nationalist
They want all the financial benefits of Western European markets but don’t want the feminism + ethnic hordes that come along with it. I say pick a lane.
Eastern Europe will always be a backwards, corrupt crap hole full of neo nazis, white supremacists, religious nut jobs and xenophobia. Nothing will change that.
They know that EU/USA/NATO is just using them against Russia and doesn't really give a damn about anyone on either side. They openly say they don't want anything to do with the EU/USA and only want their weapons to kill east/south-ukrainians and russians. And you fools support this shit.
@@westernmonk1210 no, it's not even about that. They actually support EU to adhere to a new ideological framework completely separate from the old USSR one. It's not a cynical choice for the sake of wealth, it's about actual belief systems and a sense of identity
@@kremigmitsahne7197 that's just not true. The support for EU and US is completely overwhelming, they want to be as close as possible to EU, there are multitudes of polls on this. But when you go down into exact details of their beliefs, they seem to be at odds with the Western values
I like dugins relative-absolutist hipocritical dichotomy😂
It's not hypocritical. Zizek is being really shallow and stupid on this point. There's not really a middleground like some semistable ground between relativism and absolutism, where some things can be regarded as objectively true and others as relative. The whole subject object distinction dumb in general but, when zizek says "He's cheating because he claims to be a relativist/post-modernist but also claims some things are bad and is being absolutist!!!" its super stupid and shallow. Post modernism doesnt say that a dog cant say "dog food is good" without saying "relatively to me", post modernism allows the dog to say "dog food is good". So Dugin isnt being hypocritical or "cheating" by making claims about western power while speaking also on relative truth. Zizek is being an idiot to see a contradiction there.
What is Zizek going on about regarding Hitler not being Asian?
He’s saying it’s wrong to characterize the situation as “Russian truth” versus “European truth” because this makes the assumption that there is such a thing as a singular “European truth” which would be what…anti-fascist if the charge is that Russia is a fascist state? Yet the most famous fascist of all, Adolf, was not not-European, he was very European himself. Therefore, Europe can be, has been, might be again, fascist.
But the Russians claims exactly that. They agree with Zizek on this. The Russians claim that Europe is nazi and that Asia/Eurasia is anti-nazi. When Zizek affirms that Hitler was European, he is in line with Putin.@@jijibobo7142
But that would re-affirm the Russian, Duginist position that Europe is inherently Fascist and Russia is inherently anti-fascist, not undermine it.@@jijibobo7142
@@jijibobo7142 We can hope
ah zizek hittin as always
hitting the zionist crack pipe, and so on *slurp*
tranny spotted
even tho Zizek speaks against Dugin I think they have so much in common and a conversation between the two would be epic
Modern slavic priests would fight, rather than discuss.
The only similarity is Zizek's play Stalinism. With Zizek at least you have a Philosopher instead of a glib silver-tongued philosophaster and cynical mystagogue
@@pfflam Of the two, it is Zizek who is the cynical, self-serving sophist - not Dugin.
Zizek has always been a left-liberal idealist roleplaying as a Marxist revolutionary. The man has made millions of dollars selling his sophomoric observations on Hitchcock and K-Pop to easily impressed undergrads.
@@alexhauser5043 bingo
5:55 he quite literally says the opposite, he always says america has the right to propagandize against russia as well, because every country does in his opinion, he even -- when identifying the "american logos", tells his american readers to embrace it uncompromisingly
but he is really saying nothing, its having your feet in both sides of the fence, revealing that both sides need each other to maintain their power and their "universal" truth is secondary or relative
It's mind boggling how a lack of understanding of the brain, pretty much generates this entire instability in the search of what is actually the truth.
Truth is direct proportional with safety and your ganglia basalis aka. inner child hard wired neural pathways by life itself in order for the individual to survive.
A society is an inter-subjective reality composed of individuals. Measurable wise, a more stable wall it's direct proportional with the integrity of the bricks that compose it.
What is so hard to understand that a belief system that does not prioritize the ''brick, ''the individual'', fails in it's core...it's a lie that can't even be a contender to logos, to truth.
I agree. I especially find your analogy of the wall to be particularly effective because it captures the fact that the individual and the society are just two sides of the same coin. I don't know if you would agree, but I think that both the individual and the society should be in a state of relative stability, i.e. a system where individual needs are completely ignored for the sake of a certain idealist society, and a system where societal cohesion and principles are ignored for the sake of individual freedom, both are unsuccessful and doomed to collapse.
This is gibberish.
You can't randomly scatter all the bricks and call them a wall.
@@chickencyanide9964 Individual and a tribe or family is a better more organic and relative example, when it comes down to it the State is made up from individuals. elites, who are completely egoistic and self interested
@@alexhauser5043 mental gymnastics trying to hold together a naturally disintegrating lie
dugins philosophy concentrated juice can be put down like this: a police state, where people live like the amish... russian culture, russian world.
You wrong. Dugin is not lberal
Difficult to keep attention on the conversation. It seems the host is not enough conversant in the topic to state his point of view clearly, concisely and most importantly unhesitatingly.
Am I blocked?
No
Zizek is a left philosopher that wants the Occident applauses!!! Zizek dosen´t understand the new multipolar world. He still think in the Occident hegemony way.
tell me one thing china or russia does better then the west, just one please, if you dont have the goods, youre not a superpower.
You fundamentally don't understand everything he stands for.
@@udavster hes a western apologist , karl marx would spit at him
Y'all haven't Dugin and it shows.
demagogy ... better talk about Daria's asassination by CIA
Any anthropocentric philosophy is bad for life in general.
Let's hope that future history books will mention Zizek in passing while discussing Dugin's legacy so that this video will be funnier for all posterity.
It was by listening to Dugin, that I could see Ziezek, Zeizek’s whole stick is to make very ironic and clever observations about contemporary life, but they are very shallow and superficial, and beneath this layer is pure nihilism and meaninglessness, Dugin’s dept comes from the heritage he values and that’s what gives meaning to his world view
I don't doubt he believes it. I'm more nihilistic than a schizophrenic person who believes they are Jesus Christ, but that doesn't mean I have to respect their viewpoint or envy their certainty. even leaving aside that dugin also advocates exporting the Traditional Values at the point of a sword, to quote an actual nihilist: "if the rule brought you to this, of what use was the rule?" forget war or any large scale repression (which btw is all reheated romantic nationalism that dates back no earlier than the 19th century) that a state might do, and look at insular religious communities. they are the only people actually living by Traditional Values relative to most of human history, and it's just non-stop child molestation
Zizek is lost. We should fight for liberal values, like lgbti? Who taught him that? Not Hegel, for sure.
Putin helped so russia can came up wit 300 new Ortodox churchs
Zizek has become weaker and weaker as a philosopher over the years. This is the weakest thing I have heard him put forward. he once had the chops to go up against someone like Dugin and say something substantive, not this time. Also, why is he so dismissive of the presence of Nazis in Ukraine? I have never seen him address the subject with any thoroughness. Instead he seems to avoid it and my sense is that he somehow supports them.
I agree, Zizek needs to stick to psychoanalysis and culture critique, his weak spot is politics. I think Dugin would destroy him.
@@dingleburryjoe9437 i wish not(( i think dugin is dangerous
The "problem" of Nazis in Ukraine are marginal and politically unrepresented. Russia has a bigger Nazi problem as seen by militant groups like Rusich and Wagner group.
Dugin need to go and wrap himself in Cordtex
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Maybe we should braid you a nice necktie in Cordtex as well?
It would probably look absolutely stunning on you!
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"Witchcraft"
LMAO - didn't you forget "Satanists" as well?
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What is cordtex?
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I like zelensky because of guilts
But the west keep promoting
LGBTQ and feminism
I'm forced to support
Taliban Afghanistan
And Putin
All enemies of America
Because of sluts disrespectful women on tik tok
Instagram only fans
Woman push people to war and crime
If the west
And western jews dont
Stop promoting LGBTQ
And feminism
Then
I'm sorry
Someone has to fight them
Although I like zelensky as person
I dislike leftists LGBTQ and feminism
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All of them in the west
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When they stop promoting
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Zelensky is sucking too many dollars
Tanks and javelins are not enough?
I support him
But his greedy jewish nature
Push me to hate me
Only guilts of holocaust
Hold me for now to support him
Otherwise
New jewish holocaust
To get rid off the jews
Money leaches
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Pretty cheap not to get Dugin on too. He's easy to get ahold of and him and Zizek could of had an interesting conversation.
Yes, we need a Zizek vs Dugin debate!
@@totallynot8408 Zizek's NATO is on one reading a stand-in for his fantasy of an endless Sunday wherein desire finally terminates itself into joyous boredom: the end of history.
@@totallynot8408zizek would just agree with dugin, hes spineless
Dugin is considered a clown by the vast majority of people both inside and outside Russia (if they even know him), so what kind of conversation do you want from him? The only use Dugin can have is to discredit every point of view he supports because he connects it to his absurd delu sions.
If CI A doesn't already try to artificially increase Dugin's visibility and prominence they really should because he's the best possible gr otesque boogeyman opponent for any Western ideology
@@NJ-wb1cz Oh, look. It's Bernard-Henri Lévy's burner account.
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if you arrange the battle between dougin and zizek, dougin win, youll see
I agree.
It wouldn't even be close. For all his faults, Dugin is a serious philosopher and geopolitical theorist. Zizek is a Reddit-tier 'thinker'.
this prediction turned out to be wrong; Poland has thrown off its' fascist government, Ukrainian attitudes towards LGBTQIA people and people of color have improved dramatically since the war started, and Hungary is now isolated and alone, apart from the problems posed by Erdogan
And now that Slovakia has tilted towards Russia, does that make Zizek’s prediction good again? Doesn’t work like that. What Zizek describes, is (as Orban puts it) the illiberal democracy phenomenon. Many countries in Europe are susceptible to that and not even USA is immune to it (Trumpism shares some characteristics). So in a sense it is much worse than what Zizek says here.
Muh liberal values.
Try to be less boring and derivative
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>"aristocratic rebel"
>Nietzsche pfp
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Are people still doing the "muh" thing? Anyway, nice argument.
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@@eliascommentonly4652 the jewish satan will set your agitated lost soul free
zizek is so lost
Why are LGBT values so important, I legit don't get it. I'd take socially 'conservative' socialism in the tradition of Engels over homos.
Concern for the most vulnerable and marginalized. Pretty much the same moral concerns that motivate a rejection of capitalism.
@@fede2 Then why not express the same concern for incels?
@@topercaker2646 Because they don't compare for a lot of reasons. Chief among them is their attitudes towards women.
@@topercaker2646 i love incels and homos
@@fede2 '' hey we care about the marginalized....no not those ones only those we like '' lol
Engage!
the west is economically colonising ukraine and this is bad but the west culturally/civilizationally colonising Ukraine and eastern europe in general is totally fine
"Ukraine doesn't exist"
A tankie, probably
What makes you think those are two separate things? Isn't the relation of production the source of culture anyway?
@@john.premose i was summarising what zizek said
@Tankie Bot Indeed, tankies are infamous for being homophobes (their daddy Stalin was a famous homophobe). You're basically conservative right wing reactionaries with socialist aesthetics 🤷♂️
How is the economic and cultural colonization of Ukraine by the West a bad thing? Most Ukrainians want to be western anyway, and the pro-Russian Ukrainians can just go live in the new Russian territories in the east once this war is a frozen conflict again. Everybody wins.
Zizek has poor understanding of dugin's thought. Dugin regards Ukrainians as ethnically Russians, so he wants to liberate them from the western "civilization of Satan". Besides that, for dugin each people/ethnic community has each own truth, the individual, in a way, doesn't really exist, the only thing that matters is the ethnic community, the people (there is not such thing as individual truth). Dugin is contradictory only when he rejects modernity altogether and yet supporting Russia, one of the most developed and technologically advanced states in the world, and when he rejects nationalism as a modern-liberal social construct and yet supporting Russia, a nation state founded on liberal principles (at least in theory). Although to be fair, dugin once wrote a book called "Putin VS Putin" in which he criticized some aspects of the putin regime.
Essentialist dribble ethnic communities change over time and their qualities are contingent upon global and environmental externalities, conservatives doing based essentialism and then saying you don’t understand it if you don’t agree with it makes me nauseous
@@bm4755 Tradition remains the same, that's why it's called tradition. In the video, zizek said that oligarchs have their own truth, but dugin doesn't support those rootless cosmopolitan egoists,because they act against the interests of the people. I think zizek doesn't understand dugin. As I said previously, dugin is contradictory but not at this one.
@@jhngrg8132 zizek understands dugin but this is the position he has to take because of fears that he would be blacklisted, which he has been many times. Go ask about Zizek in a politics college class, you teacher will laugh at you
@@reeyees50 I already explained why he doesn't understand him. In the video zizek said that dugin uses postmodern relativism but he is not consistent with it. But Dugin has nothing to do with postmodernism. Zizek is the only laughable person here.
@@jhngrg8132 amazing how dugin in a video title attracts retards like you to the comment section like flies on shit
The court Jester again .........