Well, as an aside… I talked to someone who works at the El Dorado Correctional Center and she says BTK is slowly going senile, so yay! (What a horrible person to send that awful letter).
I'd want him to go senile only if he's still getting pleasure from his memory, which I'm sure he did. Otherwise I want him as miserable as possible in every moment.
Why do you say yay? Going senile isn't a bad fate, if he doesn't know what, where or how his crimes and where he even is or the crimes he committed isn't bad.... Haven't you ever heard the saying " ignorance is bliss" well it really is in the fate of senility,it's the family that suffers not the senile person
@@KellyHill-gg9xr I say yay bc he was really big on taking pics and keeping the memory of the events alive in his head. He’s losing those moments bc he’s losing his mind. He’s a shitty person and his family has distanced themselves from him. He’s all alone, and soon he won’t be able to remember his crimes. Yay!
Something stood out to me in his statement. He said after he found the first body in the hot tub that he continued further into the house, "to get help." If you found a murder victim, would you go further into the home to get help? Or run outside to a neighbor's house to get help? I would be worried the killer was still inside. Obviously this wasn't an issue because he knew who the killer was.
@yolandawilson6619 Most definitely. It definitely couldn't be argued in court. But I believe it's one of those details you tuck in your pocket during the investigation. Was he the kind of guy who would run into a burning building, or would flight kick in? People will tell you all kinds of things about themselves if you let them.
@@R.RathborneI agree with you. The killer trying to put the blame on someone else normally does/tells the smallest things that make investigators go “hummm”. It’s something they always file away when they’re listening to the people in the interrogation room.
Other than leaving in the victims car, the fact that he stopped to get money from the ATM before leaving bothers me. A guy truly out of his mind would have just driven away without stopping for anything as crucial as money.
What a travesty! What a STUPID jury! I guy admits being at the murder scene, he is found states away having done a bunk with the victims' car and without contacting his own family, and there is absolutely NO evidence of anyone else being involved. Yet this jury found him not guilty? He was such an upstanding guy? I want to puke!
What are you talking about? He contacted family. Thats how they caught him. Theres certainly something weird going on. I mean if he did it why on earth would he take the victims car when he had his own? Also traumatic events can bring on amnesia or repressed memories. Id say stumbling onto the scene of an active triple murder would qualify.
Well........... I guess he hoodwinked everyone and got away with murder. Saw their bodies, got too traumatized to do anything like call for help, not too traumatized to steal their car and go to an ATM. B.S.
Yeah not sure how they determined it wasn't his dna in the 80s. Then again its a hot tub. Not too hard to see how there would be dna of god knows who with 2 teenage daughters living there.
Hey Ash 🙂 so many other channels use footage that has nothing to do with the case (such as the "searchers in the woods" clip where a bunch of people wear high-vis vests and shout 🙄 this scene has been in at least a dozen TrueCrime videos) thank you for not doing the same!! 👍🏼
It's a shame this happened before DNA evidence was regularly gathered and stored. If there was semen collected from Kelli, that would have unlocked this case presuming Wichita police had properly stored the evidence. IMO, Kelli's nude body is the key to the case. It strongly suggests a sexual attack, whether she was alive or dead (if there was no struggle, I'd guess dead), This gives you three avenues of inquiry. If it was Butterworth's semen, case closed. I found it odd that he remembered two of the bodies but not Kelli's. Perhaps his conscience won't allow him to remember this murder. The second avenue would be Kelli's boyfriend. Where was he, what did he know, has he any alibi, etc? The last would be some random criminal but, why then, did this man not rob whatever he could while he was there? Further, where is the ballistics? Did it match any weapon? There's a chance a cold case unit could re-examine the case but, otherwise, it seems this will never be solved without a confession.
@orangehoof Great analysis! No wonder the Wichita police didn't solve the BTK case for so long. This reeks of a stalker becoming sexually obsessed with Kelli and killing all family members to get to her. I do not see it as an MO for a boyfriend. Butterworth's memory lapse certainly muddies the waters. I have never heard of another murder case in which someone, upon discovering bodies, develops amnesia and drives to another state. You're right in that Kelli being the only one left naked is the key to this case. There have been several cases in which a person stalks a young female victim for sexual purposes and then kills the family to have access to his prey. Shasta Groene is one case. I don't know what is left of the evidence or if a cold case squad would have anything to work with. However, I don't know how present Wichita police can just leave loose ends to a horrific murder case and why they are not trying to seek justice.
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He ran away because he thought what if it was my kids? That would cause the OPPOSITE effect! The excuse for having the car is ridiculous! They gave him enough time to think up a story and used a hypnotist to validate it. What we ALL know is he stole the car... no doubt as he had the keys. Did he at least serve time for grand theft auto?
He claimed the noise made him panic so he fled but later felt remorseful because of the discovery of Kelli’s body. He thought the noise may have been her being attacked and he couldn’t believe he fled leaving the girl to fend for herself. I think what confuses me the most is his van was found blocks from the scene so how did it get there? He served no time- he was acquitted on all charges against him.
It's very plausible this is what happened. Seeing 2 dead bodies and one of them a. Kid had to be traumatic. Also there was spearmint the hottub that didn't match.
@@unde.rtheashtree The van found blocks from the scene was probably driven by him, then he walked back and stole the car. If he was not the one that committed the crime, he may have been an accomplice. Someone may have suggested a robbery but did worse and he stole the car.
I absolutely thought BTK would be a suspect right off the bat - only because it was Wichita, mid 80’s, family slaying, daughter as the focus. To hear later in the story that he wrote the letter to the wife jogged my mind but I couldn’t remember the details. I recalled he wrote a letter to a victim to admire the work of another killer, but I did not remember anything about the Fager case.
Sparse sp-R-ssss… So… he stole their car, wearing different clothes when he was found and “blacked out”… and “remembered” their bodies… came back to work there…decided to go to the mall to buy some new clothes (while he is in major debt) drove all the way to Florida…yeah…ok. Lots of smart people talk to the police without a lawyer. That’s their reasoning for him being innocent? Strange case. No DNA?
His story makes no sense. He heard someone attacking the daughter in the basement. He was so freaked out that he grabbed the keys and left. Got outside, casually went to his vehicle to grab his shopping and then take the family's car instead of his own??? This is not the act of a panicked man. He would have dove into his own car and left. And he was so concerned about the person who was still alive being attacked that he didn't go get help??? Instead felt so guilty about not doing anything other than grabbing his shopping and stealing the family car for no reason whatsoever that he decided to hit the ATM and skip town abandoning his wife and kids??? I would have had an easier time believing that Jesus beamed down from the mothership and had 7 half alien, half human highbreeds committed the murder and then abducted him and whiped his memory than that line of horse pucky.
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That is one hot mess of a case Ash! Never come across it before either, you always do interesting ones! Im really not sure what to think as the Police shut it down so early on and were laser focused on one guy - who at the very least stole the car and didnt get help for the victims he saw (allegedly)
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If they preserved the DNA off of Kelly they can do genetic genealogy to be able to go back in history to see if it was him or not because what he saying doesn’t make a bit of sense to me. And they didn’t even tape record anything that shouldn’t have been allowed in court because that’s hear say to me. It seems like to me that he’s trying to he’s trying to weasel his way out of what the crime he committed. Yeah if I’m wrong I’m wrong but that’s what it seem like to me listening to what you’re reading, and it’s a shame that he just wanted to have his way with the girls!
For some reason I can’t see other comments so someone else may have said this alrdy- you said there was sperm found so didn’t they check for DNA match? Maybe I missed it but if not how come there was no DNA testing?
I found no evidence to indicate they did further testing on the semen. According to the defense the police pretty much stopped at Butterworth being their guy so much so they closed the case despite not actually having a conviction.
I am fairly new to your channel and I enjoy your content 😊 I am unfamiliar with this case and liked your presentation. I would recommend though if you ever edit this that her parents that she traveled to see are in Emporia Kansas not Kentucky. It's just a small mix up but being familiar with the area I know that the Emporia close by would be Kansas.
Why would Butterworth commit a triple homicide on a day he was working and his van parked outside for everyone to see in broad daylight?. Surely he would know he would be the prime suspect and the police would instantly be on his trail.He didn’t even try to hide.His van parked 1 km from the fager house with the keys in it doesn’t make sense either because it would mean he would have driven his van to the McDonald’s then walked back and go in the Fager‘s car to Florida.if he did this he was a very bad serial killer.The crime scene tells me the perpetrator was and organized one and had experience.I don’t believe Butterworth was the perpetrator.
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I believe the reason he mentioned touching the first body was because we probably figured either they had DNA or would find some on her body and he wanted a "reason" for it to be there. I think he was a sad and sexually frustrated man that took it out on a family he was too stupid to realize could be traced back to him.
Lived in Wichita at the time . Sometime after the trial, some of the jurors co 13:0413:04 wrote a privately published book called the Dark Side of the William Butterworth case . Never bought it , but wondered what it was about . Terrible, shocking event . Yes- and we had serial killer in our midst on top of that !
This is the biggest and most common mistake investigators make. Zeroing in on one suspect and when that suspect is not convicted then it's either to late to find other suspects cause the crime seen is compromised and evidence isn't collected or they don't care to find other suspects cause their so sure they were right about the original suspect.
Very odd. There was DNA and it was tested against Bill but it was not a match. I couldn’t find any additional information to indicate they tested the sample against anyone else in fact according to the defense they did not they pretty much stopped on Bill even closing the case despite his acquittal.
Butterworth and his wife divorced a little over 20 years ago.She still lives in Witcta.He lives in Las Vegas.Mary Fager lives in Emporia and married again after her family’s death. Is currently 76 years old.
Wait now?!! All day I've seen the same...it says you have 7 comments but there's none??! Have you deleted them or is something funky going on?? Thanks for the video!!😊
No deleting on my end, but it’s strange because when I try to load the videos info and stuff nothing comes up even though I know I responded to comments already 🤔 thanks for watching!
Also, this has happened on scary mysteries, the crime reel, and um..crime zone, is it?! That, "hi guys, Nigel and Luke here"! I've spotted multiple missing comments there in the last half hour! (Obviously before YOU uploaded and i dashed over!!😆x
You have to click the "newest comments" to see all the comments at the top right above the comment section. Hope that wasn't too many mentioning of "comments" for you 😂
*jaw drops to the floor* I thought that last name sounded familiar. Stuart is where I was born & still live. We aren't a real big town, but in 1987 it was still a small town. It was a big deal to have something like this happen. He should've gone further south to get lost in a crowd.
This is just such a...weird case. Sounds like, even if Butterworth DID do it, the police basically did no actual investigation after they decided he was a suspect. So no real evidence for anything other than stealing a car. And if it was a money motive, why would he not have ransacked the place? Seems more as though someone had a vendetta for the family
Very weird- from all accounts the entire thing stopped with him. The defense (even though it’s their job) basically claimed police didn’t go beyond him and I couldn’t find anything to indicate they did other than statements where police claimed they did after the case was closed.
Right this was an absolute fail from our justice system, killers are convicted by strong circumstantial evidence all the time and the circumstantial evidence here is off the fucking charts, he for sure had a big part in this how be we don’t know but his excuse to begin with was clearly a lie to give him time to come up with a better lie.
Also at the very least if his entire story is true then he’s guilty of seeing a little girl dead while another is screaming for help and not helping them and I get if he was to scared to help I still think it’s super cowardly and not what we as men should do but the very least he should’ve called the police because there was a chance to save them but he didn’t even call the police so just based off that I think they should’ve convicted him.
love your videos, my only question in regards to this case is why they didn’t keep examining the dna sample that was left behind? It couldn’t belong to the father since it was baby making juice left behind. I ask this because many cases of the past was solved later on because of dna samples that was left behind & how advanced technology is in regards to dna. Love your video & those cops should be fired
Thanks so much! I think the issue as far the DNA goes is law enforcement pretty much put a stop at Butterworth. They claimed they ruled out all of these other suspects but I could find nearly 0 information to show this. According to the defense once police zoned in on Butterworth they didn’t go beyond him so much so they closed the case with no convictions because they are that convinced he did it. But I found no additional information that evidence was even tested beyond him.
In every Jury ,there will be a few idiots. Always opt for A Jury Trial if you're a Murderer. Get a good alternate narrative and your home free. Good Defence Lawyers know how to confuse Jurors. Happens all the time.
Who is in charge of the investigation Barney fife? absolutely zero this guy’s reaction makes any sense at all. If he finds the dead chick floating in the tall tub, he finds the dead dead on the floor. He realizes that he’s cold and wet from trying to pull the girl out? So he changes into his T-shirt, loafers and slacks. There’s somebody in trouble then sprints outside takes their car and box it to Florida, leaving his whole life behind? I think he attacked the girl because she was having a naked, hot tub. Dad busted him he shoots the dead sister comes out to investigate, he Tyser up and tries to strangle or throws her in the hot tub to finish the job and get the fuck out of Dodge. They makes the mistake of calling his wife some bullshit story.
Hoping that attention to this case will cause them to test the DNA.. so much evidence that was ignored, but new technology could finally solve this case.
I feel like he did it, even though the DNA didn't match. I can't exactly explain why other than, even when in shock, and flight instinct kicks in, it doesn't normally entail changing clothes and getting money from an ATM. Also the fact that he drove right past his house, something he could easily do in a shocked, dissociated state (most people actual experience dissociation when they are driving familiar routes, which is why driving home sometimes feels as if you blinked and you're there) he would have instinctively gone to the place he felt safest: home. I call bull. Plus his timeline is iffy. Did the people he run into while shopping ever come forward and were his witnesses? Was there a time stamp/receipt/store clerk that could place him at the store when he said he was there? Although I am annoyed that the police didn't look into other leads either.
Did the police do a thorough check on the daughter's boyfriend since the accused believed he was the one who might have been there in the Fagan house the same time he was? That fingerprint/semen sample or whatever it was the police recovered at the crime scene that did not belong to the accused--did it belong to the boyfriend?
What's most interesting to me is... the van was moved from the crime scene and parked next to a McDonald's Who moved the van and why? It doesn't make sense that someone would move a vehicle that doesn't belong to them. And, I believe a murderer would leave in the same fashion in which they arrived (on foot, bike or their own car) and not take someone else vehicle - period. So, whomever moved the van (to the nearby McDonald's) is where my mind goes. All other details are a distraction or can't be proven for whatever reason. BTW... Richard Ney was my neighbor growing-up, when this case went to trial in the 1980's.
I get that she thought her daughter took the car but !!! Why wouldn’t she call her ??!!!! She just went and left to the police without calling her daughters to make sure they’re ok?? Mom of the year 🙄
Well, as an aside… I talked to someone who works at the El Dorado Correctional Center and she says BTK is slowly going senile, so yay! (What a horrible person to send that awful letter).
I'd want him to go senile only if he's still getting pleasure from his memory, which I'm sure he did. Otherwise I want him as miserable as possible in every moment.
He’s a disgusting person
Why do you say yay? Going senile isn't a bad fate, if he doesn't know what, where or how his crimes and where he even is or the crimes he committed isn't bad.... Haven't you ever heard the saying " ignorance is bliss" well it really is in the fate of senility,it's the family that suffers not the senile person
@@KellyHill-gg9xr I say yay bc he was really big on taking pics and keeping the memory of the events alive in his head. He’s losing those moments bc he’s losing his mind. He’s a shitty person and his family has distanced themselves from him. He’s all alone, and soon he won’t be able to remember his crimes. Yay!
Something stood out to me in his statement. He said after he found the first body in the hot tub that he continued further into the house, "to get help."
If you found a murder victim, would you go further into the home to get help? Or run outside to a neighbor's house to get help? I would be worried the killer was still inside. Obviously this wasn't an issue because he knew who the killer was.
The response varies too much to concretely say it's a sign of guilt.
Was his vehicle found at the same McDonald's where the older daughter worked?
@yolandawilson6619 Most definitely. It definitely couldn't be argued in court. But I believe it's one of those details you tuck in your pocket during the investigation. Was he the kind of guy who would run into a burning building, or would flight kick in?
People will tell you all kinds of things about themselves if you let them.
@@R.RathborneI agree with you. The killer trying to put the blame on someone else normally does/tells the smallest things that make investigators go “hummm”. It’s something they always file away when they’re listening to the people in the interrogation room.
@@Col91016 I'm still a first responder.
First I'd heard about this sad case. You did a great job covering it despite the lack of photos. Thank you.
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Other than leaving in the victims car, the fact that he stopped to get money from the ATM before leaving bothers me. A guy truly out of his mind would have just driven away without stopping for anything as crucial as money.
He made choices along the way, like going to get his van and deciding to take the bag of clothes.
What a travesty! What a STUPID jury! I guy admits being at the murder scene, he is found states away having done a bunk with the victims' car and without contacting his own family, and there is absolutely NO evidence of anyone else being involved. Yet this jury found him not guilty? He was such an upstanding guy? I want to puke!
What are you talking about? He contacted family. Thats how they caught him. Theres certainly something weird going on. I mean if he did it why on earth would he take the victims car when he had his own? Also traumatic events can bring on amnesia or repressed memories. Id say stumbling onto the scene of an active triple murder would qualify.
Well........... I guess he hoodwinked everyone and got away with murder. Saw their bodies, got too traumatized to do anything like call for help, not too traumatized to steal their car and go to an ATM. B.S.
And retrieve his new clothes from his van...
I seriously think they should just be tracking down the dna that was found.
Yeah not sure how they determined it wasn't his dna in the 80s. Then again its a hot tub. Not too hard to see how there would be dna of god knows who with 2 teenage daughters living there.
Hey Ash 🙂 so many other channels use footage that has nothing to do with the case (such as the "searchers in the woods" clip where a bunch of people wear high-vis vests and shout 🙄 this scene has been in at least a dozen TrueCrime videos) thank you for not doing the same!! 👍🏼
I hate that stupid "searchers in the woods" clip. Show them yelling out for a dead body. LOL It's so stupid.
It's a shame this happened before DNA evidence was regularly gathered and stored. If there was semen collected from Kelli, that would have unlocked this case presuming Wichita police had properly stored the evidence. IMO, Kelli's nude body is the key to the case. It strongly suggests a sexual attack, whether she was alive or dead (if there was no struggle, I'd guess dead), This gives you three avenues of inquiry. If it was Butterworth's semen, case closed. I found it odd that he remembered two of the bodies but not Kelli's. Perhaps his conscience won't allow him to remember this murder. The second avenue would be Kelli's boyfriend. Where was he, what did he know, has he any alibi, etc? The last would be some random criminal but, why then, did this man not rob whatever he could while he was there? Further, where is the ballistics? Did it match any weapon? There's a chance a cold case unit could re-examine the case but, otherwise, it seems this will never be solved without a confession.
@orangehoof Great analysis! No wonder the Wichita police didn't solve the BTK case for so long. This reeks of a stalker becoming sexually obsessed with Kelli and killing all family members to get to her. I do not see it as an MO for a boyfriend. Butterworth's memory lapse certainly muddies the waters. I have never heard of another murder case in which someone, upon discovering bodies, develops amnesia and drives to another state. You're right in that Kelli being the only one left naked is the key to this case. There have been several cases in which a person stalks a young female victim for sexual purposes and then kills the family to have access to his prey. Shasta Groene is one case. I don't know what is left of the evidence or if a cold case squad would have anything to work with. However, I don't know how present Wichita police can just leave loose ends to a horrific murder case and why they are not trying to seek justice.
It didn’t say the semen was recovered from Kelli
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Thanks so much Kathleen. I really try to be as respectful as possible given the subject matter. And of course! I wouldn’t be where I am today without the support of my community 🖤😊
He ran away because he thought what if it was my kids? That would cause the OPPOSITE effect! The excuse for having the car is ridiculous! They gave him enough time to think up a story and used a hypnotist to validate it. What we ALL know is he stole the car... no doubt as he had the keys. Did he at least serve time for grand theft auto?
He claimed the noise made him panic so he fled but later felt remorseful because of the discovery of Kelli’s body. He thought the noise may have been her being attacked and he couldn’t believe he fled leaving the girl to fend for herself.
I think what confuses me the most is his van was found blocks from the scene so how did it get there?
He served no time- he was acquitted on all charges against him.
It's very plausible this is what happened. Seeing 2 dead bodies and one of them a. Kid had to be traumatic. Also there was spearmint the hottub that didn't match.
@@unde.rtheashtree The van found blocks from the scene was probably driven by him, then he walked back and stole the car. If he was not the one that committed the crime, he may have been an accomplice. Someone may have suggested a robbery but did worse and he stole the car.
@@kickazz9473 Might have been a friend of his that did the dirty deeds which could have made him panic.
@@kickazz9473 Was that spearmint chewing gum?
I had no idea BTK had a small role in this case. That letter is wild!!
I know!- I went into this with 0 information and finding BTK entangled in it was unexpected.
I absolutely thought BTK would be a suspect right off the bat - only because it was Wichita, mid 80’s, family slaying, daughter as the focus. To hear later in the story that he wrote the letter to the wife jogged my mind but I couldn’t remember the details. I recalled he wrote a letter to a victim to admire the work of another killer, but I did not remember anything about the Fager case.
Sparse sp-R-ssss…
So… he stole their car, wearing different clothes when he was found and “blacked out”… and “remembered” their bodies… came back to work there…decided to go to the mall to buy some new clothes (while he is in major debt) drove all the way to Florida…yeah…ok. Lots of smart people talk to the police without a lawyer. That’s their reasoning for him being innocent? Strange case. No DNA?
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I lived outside Wichita when this happened. Im as infuriated watching this as I was back then. That creep was guilty and got by with it.
His story makes no sense. He heard someone attacking the daughter in the basement. He was so freaked out that he grabbed the keys and left. Got outside, casually went to his vehicle to grab his shopping and then take the family's car instead of his own??? This is not the act of a panicked man. He would have dove into his own car and left. And he was so concerned about the person who was still alive being attacked that he didn't go get help??? Instead felt so guilty about not doing anything other than grabbing his shopping and stealing the family car for no reason whatsoever that he decided to hit the ATM and skip town abandoning his wife and kids??? I would have had an easier time believing that Jesus beamed down from the mothership and had 7 half alien, half human highbreeds committed the murder and then abducted him and whiped his memory than that line of horse pucky.
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That is one hot mess of a case Ash! Never come across it before either, you always do interesting ones! Im really not sure what to think as the Police shut it down so early on and were laser focused on one guy - who at the very least stole the car and didnt get help for the victims he saw (allegedly)
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wow! I worked at that same Howard Johnsons in 2008, I never knew of the connection
If they preserved the DNA off of Kelly they can do genetic genealogy to be able to go back in history to see if it was him or not because what he saying doesn’t make a bit of sense to me. And they didn’t even tape record anything that shouldn’t have been allowed in court because that’s hear say to me. It seems like to me that he’s trying to he’s trying to weasel his way out of what the crime he committed. Yeah if I’m wrong I’m wrong but that’s what it seem like to me listening to what you’re reading, and it’s a shame that he just wanted to have his way with the girls!
For some reason I can’t see other comments so someone else may have said this alrdy- you said there was sperm found so didn’t they check for DNA match? Maybe I missed it but if not how come there was no DNA testing?
I found no evidence to indicate they did further testing on the semen. According to the defense the police pretty much stopped at Butterworth being their guy so much so they closed the case despite not actually having a conviction.
@@unde.rtheashtree thanks for the clarification! If they had evidence they could test for DNA and didn’t that’s crazy to me.
@@unde.rtheashtree So do they still have that sample? Or has it been somehow lost......definitely be able to test it more thoroughly now.
BTK( Dennis Raider) only lived 14 minutes from their house.
I am fairly new to your channel and I enjoy your content 😊 I am unfamiliar with this case and liked your presentation. I would recommend though if you ever edit this that her parents that she traveled to see are in Emporia Kansas not Kentucky. It's just a small mix up but being familiar with the area I know that the Emporia close by would be Kansas.
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This was a tragic story! Great video.
These killers always lose their memories at the crucial moments, typical defense after getting caught
Fantastic episode well researched. Thankyou
Thank you so much!
Why would Butterworth commit a triple homicide on a day he was working and his van parked outside for everyone to see in broad daylight?. Surely he would know he would be the prime suspect and the police would instantly be on his trail.He didn’t even try to hide.His van parked 1 km from the fager house with the keys in it doesn’t make sense either because it would mean he would have driven his van to the McDonald’s then walked back and go in the Fager‘s car to Florida.if he did this he was a very bad serial killer.The crime scene tells me the perpetrator was and organized one and had experience.I don’t believe Butterworth was the perpetrator.
Thanks for covering this!
Thanks for watching friend!
A case close to home I've never heard of! Interesting and scary.
It'd be interesting to run the semen for its DNA now!
Hi Ash🌳, what a treat watching!
Woah! I don’t recall this case at all! This was full of suspense and Who , What, when , where ? And WHAT?
Seriously I’m speechless
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I’ve never heard of this one either. It’s a big mystery for sure and one that doesn’t seem to have any answers coming. It’s sad. I hope you’re well!
I believe the reason he mentioned touching the first body was because we probably figured either they had DNA or would find some on her body and he wanted a "reason" for it to be there. I think he was a sad and sexually frustrated man that took it out on a family he was too stupid to realize could be traced back to him.
I don’t think that DNA evidence would have been much of a concern in 1987…though I could be wrong.
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How in the world was BTK allowed to send such a letter? The wife should sue the prison.
BTK was arrested in 2005 and that letter was sent in 1988. Police had no clue who he was at the time.
@@unde.rtheashtree now that is scary
Oh BTK was a glory hunter and utter old fashioned show off basically. He loved to wind ppl up and watch them go off.
So if I murder someone, all I need to do is say I was in a trance?
Lived in Wichita at the time .
Sometime after the trial, some of the jurors co 13:04 13:04 wrote a privately published book called the Dark Side of the William Butterworth case .
Never bought it , but wondered what it was about .
Terrible, shocking event .
Yes- and we had serial killer in our midst on top of that !
Money problems?!😂. How would killing the family help him with money?!. The Witchta police was very incompetent in this case.
Well this guy got away with murder
Excellent, despite the lack of photos!
Thank you my friend!
This is the biggest and most common mistake investigators make. Zeroing in on one suspect and when that suspect is not convicted then it's either to late to find other suspects cause the crime seen is compromised and evidence isn't collected or they don't care to find other suspects cause their so sure they were right about the original suspect.
Don’t apologize, this is a unique and interesting case. 👍🏼
What!?! This is a very odd case. What about any DNA?
Very odd. There was DNA and it was tested against Bill but it was not a match. I couldn’t find any additional information to indicate they tested the sample against anyone else in fact according to the defense they did not they pretty much stopped on Bill even closing the case despite his acquittal.
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Murders are rare, people having amnesia are rare. When they coincide like this they are connected - he did it.
I disagree
They need to retest the DNA
Butterworth and his wife divorced a little over 20 years ago.She still lives in Witcta.He lives in Las Vegas.Mary Fager lives in Emporia and married again after her family’s death. Is currently 76 years old.
Love your channel. Great content
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Great upload, Ash!
That's the greatest story of all time.. not.. I cannot believe they believed his B. S.
Damn. Bill just played dumb and got away with it. He did it. Definitely him.
Wait now?!! All day I've seen the same...it says you have 7 comments but there's none??! Have you deleted them or is something funky going on??
Thanks for the video!!😊
No deleting on my end, but it’s strange because when I try to load the videos info and stuff nothing comes up even though I know I responded to comments already 🤔 thanks for watching!
Oh! Ok! So weird!!! Says.12 comments.now, but just me and you friend!!😆x
Also, this has happened on scary mysteries, the crime reel, and um..crime zone, is it?! That, "hi guys, Nigel and Luke here"! I've spotted multiple missing comments there in the last half hour! (Obviously before YOU uploaded and i dashed over!!😆x
You have to click the "newest comments" to see all the comments at the top right above the comment section. Hope that wasn't too many mentioning of "comments" for you 😂
I know when I hit newest that I actually see all the comments it's happened to me twice today
*jaw drops to the floor* I thought that last name sounded familiar. Stuart is where I was born & still live. We aren't a real big town, but in 1987 it was still a small town. It was a big deal to have something like this happen. He should've gone further south to get lost in a crowd.
This is just such a...weird case.
Sounds like, even if Butterworth DID do it, the police basically did no actual investigation after they decided he was a suspect. So no real evidence for anything other than stealing a car.
And if it was a money motive, why would he not have ransacked the place? Seems more as though someone had a vendetta for the family
Very weird- from all accounts the entire thing stopped with him. The defense (even though it’s their job) basically claimed police didn’t go beyond him and I couldn’t find anything to indicate they did other than statements where police claimed they did after the case was closed.
All his actions and the evidence points to him killing them.
Right this was an absolute fail from our justice system, killers are convicted by strong circumstantial evidence all the time and the circumstantial evidence here is off the fucking charts, he for sure had a big part in this how be we don’t know but his excuse to begin with was clearly a lie to give him time to come up with a better lie.
Also at the very least if his entire story is true then he’s guilty of seeing a little girl dead while another is screaming for help and not helping them and I get if he was to scared to help I still think it’s super cowardly and not what we as men should do but the very least he should’ve called the police because there was a chance to save them but he didn’t even call the police so just based off that I think they should’ve convicted him.
There was semen. 🤷🏽
What a strange case. I think this could have been solved if today’s technology could have been used.
I love the podcast style video
Great storytelling. 👍
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love your videos, my only question in regards to this case is why they didn’t keep examining the dna sample that was left behind? It couldn’t belong to the father since it was baby making juice left behind. I ask this because many cases of the past was solved later on because of dna samples that was left behind & how advanced technology is in regards to dna. Love your video & those cops should be fired
Thanks so much! I think the issue as far the DNA goes is law enforcement pretty much put a stop at Butterworth. They claimed they ruled out all of these other suspects but I could find nearly 0 information to show this. According to the defense once police zoned in on Butterworth they didn’t go beyond him so much so they closed the case with no convictions because they are that convinced he did it. But I found no additional information that evidence was even tested beyond him.
@@unde.rtheashtree You would think they would test the DNA to prove they are correct or are afraid incase it's not his!:
As someone who lives in Wichita ks, wpd are completely useless
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How to get away with murder, part one.
Has the DNA been sent to CODIS?
From my understanding it has not been. I don’t believe they’ve even tested it beyond Butterworth.
Of course He did it. A psychopath who can hoodwink these professionals. Ugh…
But didn’t they have dna evidence? What ever came of that? I wonder if they’re working with any of the nano labs or genealogy groups
Great story but it's Emporia Kansas, not Kentucky. We are just South of Wichita, about 90 miles.
Loved this video so sad 😢
I know, this case is sad and it’s even worse that there won’t be any answers anytime soon.
Didn't she say at the beginning that DNA didn't match. Otherwise it does sound fishy.
He’s guilty.
Emporia, Kansas. Not Emporia, Kentucky.
I don't think BTK was involved. He takes credit for his kills and he was more methodical.
In every Jury ,there will be a few idiots.
Always opt for A Jury Trial if you're a Murderer.
Get a good alternate narrative and your home free.
Good Defence Lawyers know how to confuse Jurors.
Happens all the time.
totally random question. are you from ohio? lol
i have a friend, she grew up in canton ohio, and your (ever so slight) accent reminds me of hers
Nope not from Ohio 😊
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You are too!
Who is in charge of the investigation Barney fife? absolutely zero this guy’s reaction makes any sense at all. If he finds the dead chick floating in the tall tub, he finds the dead dead on the floor. He realizes that he’s cold and wet from trying to pull the girl out? So he changes into his T-shirt, loafers and slacks. There’s somebody in trouble then sprints outside takes their car and box it to Florida, leaving his whole life behind? I think he attacked the girl because she was having a naked, hot tub. Dad busted him he shoots the dead sister comes out to investigate, he Tyser up and tries to strangle or throws her in the hot tub to finish the job and get the fuck out of Dodge. They makes the mistake of calling his wife some bullshit story.
Hoping that attention to this case will cause them to test the DNA.. so much evidence that was ignored, but new technology could finally solve this case.
I feel like he did it, even though the DNA didn't match. I can't exactly explain why other than, even when in shock, and flight instinct kicks in, it doesn't normally entail changing clothes and getting money from an ATM. Also the fact that he drove right past his house, something he could easily do in a shocked, dissociated state (most people actual experience dissociation when they are driving familiar routes, which is why driving home sometimes feels as if you blinked and you're there) he would have instinctively gone to the place he felt safest: home. I call bull. Plus his timeline is iffy. Did the people he run into while shopping ever come forward and were his witnesses? Was there a time stamp/receipt/store clerk that could place him at the store when he said he was there? Although I am annoyed that the police didn't look into other leads either.
Did the police do a thorough check on the daughter's boyfriend since the accused believed he was the one who might have been there in the Fagan house the same time he was? That fingerprint/semen sample or whatever it was the police recovered at the crime scene that did not belong to the accused--did it belong to the boyfriend?
Exactly my question! It didn’t match Bill, so keep looking…
SO?? GUILTY OR NOT GUILTY?? WHAT'S THE UPDATE ON MAN THAT WAS ACCUSED?? MAYBE WE'LL NEVER KNOW??
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Well duh Bill is the one that did it
Unbelievable
Sad😰
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Police... oh well we tried
What's most interesting to me is... the van was moved from the crime scene and parked next to a McDonald's
Who moved the van and why? It doesn't make sense that someone would move a vehicle that doesn't belong to them. And, I believe a murderer would leave in the same fashion in which they arrived (on foot, bike or their own car) and not take someone else vehicle - period. So, whomever moved the van (to the nearby McDonald's) is where my mind goes. All other details are a distraction or can't be proven for whatever reason.
BTW... Richard Ney was my neighbor growing-up, when this case went to trial in the 1980's.
He probably parked at the McDonalds and walked to the scene. Didn't want his van seen because he knew what he was about to do.
Perhaps the intended victim was actually Mary
I think it was Sherri. She was the one bound and strangled with the electrical tape. The overkill was on her.
Is Butterworth related to Donna Butterworth the actress
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This was Wichita Ks in 1987. I'd be willing to bet that it was BTK. I think Bill was experiencing a form of PTSD from what he witnessed.
I'm pretty sure Bill "Big Daddy" Butterwick did it.
I get that she thought her daughter took the car but !!! Why wouldn’t she call her ??!!!! She just went and left to the police without calling her daughters to make sure they’re ok?? Mom of the year 🙄
Lazy police work.