Flexed more than I expected. Wish Dan could test the 300-series GR LC with E-KDSS. It should easily beat the record of 661 set by the 200-series. Unfortunately they don’t sell ‘em in the US.
@@下田洋介-w4z e-kdss doesn't make the gx a 300 series. The gx is just a fancy 250 series/prado. Prado and gx have always been twins, just look at the previous generation lc150 /prado and you'll see every bit of the exterior apart from the front facia is exactly the same as the previous gen gx460 and the lc120 is the same as the gx470. The 300-series is closest to its fancy twin which is the LX600
Not true. Gx550 is same chassis, same drive train, same wheelbase 112 just a different wrapper and interior. Lc300 has 9.7 rear diff. Gx550 has the 9.5 rear diff. Go over to ih8mud. Big write up on it. The gx550 is our 300. The historical differences are gone with new platform. Lc250, 4runner, gx550 lc300 lx600. All built on same platform with same wheelbase. Differences are in suspension and engine choices , diffs interior and obviously exterior
I have been legally driving for 13 years, and in that 13 years have owned an FJ Cruiser and two 5th gen 4Runners. I still have my FJ, and recently bought back my second 4Runner from the person I sold it to, because they were returning to Asia, and we agreed to those terms, because I have a lot on money into it, including a Magnuson supercharger, Fox Shocks etc. I am going with the GX 550, after 13 years with an FJ Cruiser and two 5th gen 4Runners, mainly because I want a V6 from the 300 Series, I want more luxury/comfort, and the added stock off road capabilities of the center diff lockers, all in a package similar to my 4Runner I'm use to. I dislike the current GX, but the 550 will give me the reliability and build quality of a Japanese built Toyota/Lexus product too, which was very important! Your videos are always insightful. Thanks!!
Great video and nice detail! While Australia doesn't get the First Edition (poor cousins down here!), we do get the Altitude version which has all of the FE bells and whistles, including SBD, rear & centre lockers and 18" rims with Toyo A/T rubber from the factory. Fun fact on colour codes ("color" if you prefer). We have all of the same paint codes, but with different names. Your 2ZC scheme (Trail Dust/Grayscape) on the FE is only available here on the Altitude, but the scheme is "Tanami Taupe & White". The 2ZD scheme (Heritage Blue/Grayscape) is also Altitude only, but called "Ningaloo Blue & White". Finally, and you're going to love this... we get ONLY the 2.8l turbo diesel with the 48V "mild" hybrid (i.e. no electric motors).
I find these interesting, thank you for posting. I would like to see a larger scoreboard so you can keep some older test scores on it. It seems you had some other 600+ score stock vehicles at one time
Hey I saw this exact Land Cruiser on the 405 freeway the other day in Orange County! Same color, same plate that’s kinda neat! I am curious how this compares to the GX460
0:35 what's up with those tires? Thats some nasty scrub or flaking where the tread wraps around to the sidewall. And this is the new LTX Trail from Michelin that is also on the Tundra where its not getting the best feedback either. Premature wear and mushy sidewalls (which could be contributing to what's going on with that tire on that LC). Too much sidewall roll.
What a fantastic video, Dan. Well done in every way. I am waiting for my LC FE that is at the Port. I had a 1999 Land Cruiser for 15 years and loved it. The truth is, the Planet can’t survive if we all keep driving V8’s. This new LC has far better emissions and that matters for our children and grandchildren. This thing will get me there and back on my off-road adventures in the Rocky Mountains. Great job, Dan!!
So so nice to hear the well educated car fan! Thanks for this engineering adventure! In Europe we have less attractive prices and the „cheapest“ version out of 4 available might be a good idea. Anyhow it’s a great pleasure to see your video!
Awesome. Can’t wait for the test with the new GX550 Overtrail to see how it compares and hopefully put some folks at ease with whether the E-kdss articulates more
1st thanks for the review..always looks forward to real tests..additionally i hear people talking sMACK about the new LC so i have a few comments.....You all know LC in the past did not have V8 right and btw why need V8 on the trail. 2ndly i heard a lot of bashing the V6 with turbo on the Tundra all of a sudden people like it in the Lexus GX550 hmmm
The GX460 would do no better than his TRD Offroad 4runner since they are the same chassis and both had KDSS. The front travel on the GX is pretty poor stock.
So the lc’s 33’s on 18’s are 4lbs LIGHTER than the 31’s on 18’s in the g550…. Those ltx trails are a great tire for what most lc’s will do, long hwy trips, a little snow grass and dirt mixed in
Keep in mind Lexus lx600 has very different suspension part compared to lc300 the Land Cruiser 300 has eKDSS with coil suspension instead if hydraulic suspension on the lx600, i think the GR lc300 will get the highest score on board. Thank you for your amazing videos👍🏻.
I paid a lot less than $100k for my 200 series. I'd also be surprised if any dealers will be letting the first edition go for MSRP. What shocks me is that Toyota designed the 200 series before 2007 and they haven’t come up with much better for the 250 or 300 series. If you want to push any of these Toyotas to the limit, an early 200 series will be a far better choice for the money!
One thing to note. While it scores favorably to the LX600, the 300 series Land Cruiser probably has better approach angles so the score for the LX might not necessarily reflect the LC300
I have to say disappointing. The Y62 Nissan patrol had independent suspension years ago. A brand new model with old technology aside from sway bar disconnect
the 300 series doesn't use the lexus' air suspension on the off-road trim ( GR) , specifically so that it doesn't limit the flex the way air suspension does. it also doesn't have the huge impeding predator front end :)
@@electrikoptik ah, yes, corrected. it still to my point that it's not sprung like the Land Cruiser 300 GR and other trims that yield more travel...this according to the Aussies that have done side-by-side comparisons with the 200 and 300. the 200 is at the top of this list and the 300 has even more travel w the same exact same wheelbase; it makes me conclude that the lexus w that suspension is limited on its full potential, right?
@@drsus0 AHC is sprung really soft actually. It has soft coils and then the shocks act to supplement the coils. The LX570 and 200 series Land Cruiser were pretty close on this same channel, but the LX was at a disadvantage because he had to put the suspension in high mode due to it being the sport package with the ridiculous bumper. A normal LX could have gone up the ramp in normal mode and flexed better. Either way, I'd take the benefits of AHC with a small hit in RTI. The system functions amazingly well if you use your truck for more than just offroading.
The bronco with sasquatch package (35 inch tires) has less flex then the regular badlands Bronco. They need to limit articulation to fit the larger tires. I wouldnt be suspired if the Bronco Raptor had even less flex on account of the 37" tires. Which, I would say is fine considering that Raptor trim levels are all about baja/ desert racing rather then rock crawling.
I would point out that the Badlandsnon-sasquatch Bronco is a better comparison for the Land cruiser, both using smaller tires and having more flex. The First edition (Sasquatch package) trades some flex for larger tires from the factory.
An actual review that explains the engineering!
instead of a “car guy” that talks about how many drink holders it has
Exactly what I was thinking. I love this video. This guy is speaking my language.
came here for this.. my kind of review
Thank you so much for this review that breaks it all down and explains the nitty gritty. Can't wait to take delivery of our new First Edition LC! 👍
16:16 testing starts here
Bravo
The result really shocked me man. Even the ford bronco can not keep up to this land cruiser according to your test. Very helpful video.
one of the best 4x4 channels on all of youtube! info we really want
Please test the GX 550 OVERTRAIL with eKDSS!
yes !
@@kyle9482 Good Idea!!!
Excellent! Can’t wait to see you do this with the new GX550!
this program is 100% gem
Flexed more than I expected. Wish Dan could test the 300-series GR LC with E-KDSS. It should easily beat the record of 661 set by the 200-series. Unfortunately they don’t sell ‘em in the US.
GX550 could be LC300, because GX has also E-KDSS and suspensions are bit modified for bigger tires.
@@下田洋介-w4z e-kdss doesn't make the gx a 300 series. The gx is just a fancy 250 series/prado. Prado and gx have always been twins, just look at the previous generation lc150 /prado and you'll see every bit of the exterior apart from the front facia is exactly the same as the previous gen gx460 and the lc120 is the same as the gx470. The 300-series is closest to its fancy twin which is the LX600
Not true. Gx550 is same chassis, same drive train, same wheelbase 112 just a different wrapper and interior. Lc300 has 9.7 rear diff. Gx550 has the 9.5 rear diff. Go over to ih8mud. Big write up on it. The gx550 is our 300. The historical differences are gone with new platform.
Lc250, 4runner, gx550 lc300 lx600. All built on same platform with same wheelbase. Differences are in suspension and engine choices , diffs interior and obviously exterior
I have been legally driving for 13 years, and in that 13 years have owned an FJ Cruiser and two 5th gen 4Runners. I still have my FJ, and recently bought back my second 4Runner from the person I sold it to, because they were returning to Asia, and we agreed to those terms, because I have a lot on money into it, including a Magnuson supercharger, Fox Shocks etc.
I am going with the GX 550, after 13 years with an FJ Cruiser and two 5th gen 4Runners, mainly because I want a V6 from the 300 Series, I want more luxury/comfort, and the added stock off road capabilities of the center diff lockers, all in a package similar to my 4Runner I'm use to. I dislike the current GX, but the 550 will give me the reliability and build quality of a Japanese built Toyota/Lexus product too, which was very important!
Your videos are always insightful. Thanks!!
That’s what we call a real review , Thanks man
Always look forward to the flex test.
Been waiting for this video since the reviews started coming in! From another mechanical engineer: thank you Dan!
Excellent lesson on the new engineering with some surprising results. I never imagine this vehicle having better numbers than the KDSS 4runner
I don't see myself ever going off-roading or buying something like this that can. HOWEVER Dan's videos are so interesting I have to watch all of them.
This is the video we wanted, thank you!
Loving that the Sharp EL-531D calculator from the early 90's is the only powered tool you use.
I subscribed just because of this great video with in-depth technical review.
Hello Dan J200 Platform and suspension are King Of the road. Nice Flex Index test, you are the best.
Fascinating! Love this video. Actual engineering talk!
Great video and nice detail!
While Australia doesn't get the First Edition (poor cousins down here!), we do get the Altitude version which has all of the FE bells and whistles, including SBD, rear & centre lockers and 18" rims with Toyo A/T rubber from the factory.
Fun fact on colour codes ("color" if you prefer). We have all of the same paint codes, but with different names. Your 2ZC scheme (Trail Dust/Grayscape) on the FE is only available here on the Altitude, but the scheme is "Tanami Taupe & White". The 2ZD scheme (Heritage Blue/Grayscape) is also Altitude only, but called "Ningaloo Blue & White".
Finally, and you're going to love this... we get ONLY the 2.8l turbo diesel with the 48V "mild" hybrid (i.e. no electric motors).
Very impressive stuff. Definitely waiting on the new GX to get its turn with E-KDSS
This is high quality objective content!
The single shear bottom strut mount is interesting.
I find these interesting, thank you for posting. I would like to see a larger scoreboard so you can keep some older test scores on it. It seems you had some other 600+ score stock vehicles at one time
Can you test the GX 550 with EKDSS?
Excellent video, thanks so much for sharing this!
I love technical review like this.
I like it when you removed those wheels. Just liked and subscribed your channel. Thanks
will share this video with those who like to diss the LC250 as "its just a Prado"...😂
Really curious to see if the GX E-KDSS gives extra points on this test (as it should) and how many…
I wonder if the 1958 trim level has a smaller anti-roll bar
Hey I saw this exact Land Cruiser on the 405 freeway the other day in Orange County! Same color, same plate that’s kinda neat! I am curious how this compares to the GX460
The wear on the corner of the tires is pretty significant. Is that from offroading/deflating?
How about the GX 550?
Great job 👏🏻
Thanks for the details!
How does compare with a Jeep or full size pickup?
Love you Bruh, more precise. Thanks
Hi can you pls link the defender measurement video?
0:35 what's up with those tires? Thats some nasty scrub or flaking where the tread wraps around to the sidewall. And this is the new LTX Trail from Michelin that is also on the Tundra where its not getting the best feedback either. Premature wear and mushy sidewalls (which could be contributing to what's going on with that tire on that LC). Too much sidewall roll.
Press cars are driven pretty hard 😊
What a fantastic video, Dan. Well done in every way. I am waiting for my LC FE that is at the Port. I had a 1999 Land Cruiser for 15 years and loved it. The truth is, the Planet can’t survive if we all keep driving V8’s. This new LC has far better emissions and that matters for our children and grandchildren. This thing will get me there and back on my off-road adventures in the Rocky Mountains. Great job, Dan!!
So so nice to hear the well educated car fan! Thanks for this engineering adventure! In Europe we have less attractive prices and the „cheapest“ version out of 4 available might be a good idea. Anyhow it’s a great pleasure to see your video!
Look forward to seeing how the GX550 does vs the LC on RTI with its new E-KDSS
Can´t wait to see the Ineos Grenadier tested. Cheers
Is there a way to see the results better? Like a webpage? Dont see a jeep on there either.
Most informative review!
Awesome. Can’t wait for the test with the new GX550 Overtrail to see how it compares and hopefully put some folks at ease with whether the E-kdss articulates more
Where can I get one of those crank handle wheel wrenches?
Good video. More in depth than the dedicated truck channels that covered this vehicle.
Hey Dan, thanks for video. So are you going to the new LC or waiting on the new 4runner?
We need to see if the new EKDSS on the GX550 makes a difference.
My nerdy ass loves this stuff thank you
Excellent video!
I think… you should test the new 550 and old 460 GX as well 🙂
No frame mounted bump stop?
17:43 bro really lifted the whole suv with one hand
Thanks for the great video. Is the running gear the same S the 300 series, or is the 300 series more beefy?
1st thanks for the review..always looks forward to real tests..additionally i hear people talking sMACK about the new LC so i have a few comments.....You all know LC in the past did not have V8 right and btw why need V8 on the trail. 2ndly i heard a lot of bashing the V6 with turbo on the Tundra all of a sudden people like it in the Lexus GX550 hmmm
Great video, thank you for the information.
I’m here for the “Too bad it’s a Prado and not a 300 series, I wouldnt buy it if it was but still.”
Some morons have even called it a rav4
Can you clarify if the lx600 score had AHC?
It would have been interesting to see how a JLUR stacks up to help determine whether the on road characteristics are worth it :D
JLUR is like 771
I bet good old GX 460 with its KDSS and sweet reliable V8 can do that or even better?
The GX460 would do no better than his TRD Offroad 4runner since they are the same chassis and both had KDSS. The front travel on the GX is pretty poor stock.
So the lc’s 33’s on 18’s are 4lbs LIGHTER than the 31’s on 18’s in the g550…. Those ltx trails are a great tire for what most lc’s will do, long hwy trips, a little snow grass and dirt mixed in
C/D needs to buy Dan an electric impact
It is so beautiful! I really want one. :)
Keep in mind Lexus lx600 has very different suspension part compared to lc300 the Land Cruiser 300 has eKDSS with coil suspension instead if hydraulic suspension on the lx600, i think the GR lc300 will get the highest score on board.
Thank you for your amazing videos👍🏻.
Can you review a bronco badlands 4dr without the 35s? Ford limits the articulation of the 35s/sasquatch package
I paid a lot less than $100k for my 200 series. I'd also be surprised if any dealers will be letting the first edition go for MSRP. What shocks me is that Toyota designed the 200 series before 2007 and they haven’t come up with much better for the 250 or 300 series. If you want to push any of these Toyotas to the limit, an early 200 series will be a far better choice for the money!
Thank you for video. Please try "GX 550 OVERTRAIL "
Great video👏👏👏
لو يفعل الترجمة 👍🏼 هذي القناة ممتازه 👍🏼👍🏼
Now do the GX 550. Seemingly the best of the new Toyotas.
I wish they would have NA engine in this LC
Or the diesel available everywhere else...
Curious if you’ve tested a Wrangler Rubicon. Wouldn’t that be the benchmark?
It is, RTI is in the high 700s stock.
I think the disconnecting sway bar isn’t available in the 1958 model because it would cross the $60k mark.
One thing to note. While it scores favorably to the LX600, the 300 series Land Cruiser probably has better approach angles so the score for the LX might not necessarily reflect the LC300
I have to say disappointing. The Y62 Nissan patrol had independent suspension years ago. A brand new model with old technology aside from sway bar disconnect
Why do those tires look pitted like a sponge on the edges?
I wanna see the Ineos Grenadier on RTI test
We missed ya Dan the suspension man
the 300 series doesn't use the lexus' air suspension on the off-road trim ( GR) , specifically so that it doesn't limit the flex the way air suspension does. it also doesn't have the huge impeding predator front end :)
The LX600 doesn't use air suspension. It's hydraulic in models with AHC.
@@electrikoptik ah, yes, corrected. it still to my point that it's not sprung like the Land Cruiser 300 GR and other trims that yield more travel...this according to the Aussies that have done side-by-side comparisons with the 200 and 300. the 200 is at the top of this list and the 300 has even more travel w the same exact same wheelbase; it makes me conclude that the lexus w that suspension is limited on its full potential, right?
@@drsus0 AHC is sprung really soft actually. It has soft coils and then the shocks act to supplement the coils. The LX570 and 200 series Land Cruiser were pretty close on this same channel, but the LX was at a disadvantage because he had to put the suspension in high mode due to it being the sport package with the ridiculous bumper. A normal LX could have gone up the ramp in normal mode and flexed better.
Either way, I'd take the benefits of AHC with a small hit in RTI. The system functions amazingly well if you use your truck for more than just offroading.
Thanks sharing,
Doug Demuro needs to see this video lol
学习了，感谢分享这些知识
250 is certainly better looking than 300.
LC 200 is the G.O.A.T
I miss the " Insideline "
You have been waiting for the all new untested 4Cyl turbo???? not the original bullet proof V8 ?
Very Good vídeo!
1st Mod - remove front and rear anti-sway bars
Would like to see the RTI score on the Bronco raptor.
The bronco with sasquatch package (35 inch tires) has less flex then the regular badlands Bronco. They need to limit articulation to fit the larger tires. I wouldnt be suspired if the Bronco Raptor had even less flex on account of the 37" tires. Which, I would say is fine considering that Raptor trim levels are all about baja/ desert racing rather then rock crawling.
make sure to bring the drywall square before you go in the bush
7/32nds 😤 hearing that hurts my brain
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I would point out that the Badlandsnon-sasquatch Bronco is a better comparison for the Land cruiser, both using smaller tires and having more flex. The First edition (Sasquatch package) trades some flex for larger tires from the factory.
Me gusta land cruiser para papa Esteban
*_McLandCruiser_* Toyota is hoping Americans don't Google "Landcruiser 300 GRS" 😅
😂 🤣
Man you kill me every time 🤭
Followed by "Landcruiser 300 GRS price"
It's half the price of a 300 GRS. Like we get it, we know about the 300. Who cares, with this logic the only real Land Cruiser is a 70 Series.
@@PeakDeclineexactly! Was waiting for this test, crushed it. Tinkerer’s Adventure posted a great engine tech deep dive recently that’s also worthwhile
😂😂 I still don’t get why we don’t have the 300 series!
Your hand placement is troubling
I will tell you what I think in the comments, I think you are AWESOME!
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