For people who live in rural America, a PHEV is likely the best solution due to the lack of reliable charger infrastructure and long distances between towns and sometimes challenging topography. The Prius has bulletproof reliability and excellent resale value.
@@teklife Gee I wonder how those in rural areas drive at all without gas stations within range. They really should focus more on animal transport modes. Joking aside, that's what the OP is talking about. Gas infrastructure is far, far more developed than charger infrastructure.
I have a model three and if you charge at home you dont need a charger anywhere near home and once on the highway chargers are frequent enough to go anywhere. Chargers are becoming more common and you may notice gas stations that are due for tank replacements frequently shutting down instead.
That resale value is no joke, I upgraded to the 2023 Prius Prime, and sold my 2017 with 70,000 miles on it for $22,000, which is more than I paid for the thing brand new with the tax credit.
just got the prius prime. I went from driving a tundra for work at an average of 15mpg. Without charging the Prius I get around 48 mpg (and I drive a bit fast). The difference in gas savings for me per month is about $300 without even using the battery. Such an anxiety reducer not stressing about travel and not worrying about charging stations.
Which trim did you get? I have a 4th gen Prius, and although the power and body on the 2024 Prime is awesome, without the solar roof on the Prius Prime XSE Premium trim, it's hard to justify changing from a perfectly good Prius to a Prius Prime. The solar roof on the Prime XSE Premium makes it worth it IMO.
Scott, charge your Prime............., We got our 2024 two months ago and charge it every night. To date, we've driven nearly 2,000Km (1,250 M), on the original fill-up and there's still a third of that gas still in the tank. It's far cheaper to run the Prime on electric power. I also had a Tundra for work. Great, great truck, but, what a gas pig. Last two years at work they gave me a Ram 1500 with the same size (5.7l), engine and the Dodge gave close to triple the milage of the Toyota.
I’m all in on the Prius Prime. Better looking, less weight to lug around for daily use, and enough EV range to maximize city driving and ICE for long range trips at the drop of a hat.
"less weight to lug around" is this even worth considering considering the model 3 still has better mpge and the fact model has superb handling compared to other evs or phev. Also the weight isn't that much more. You're just saying things
The down side is replacing the battery and having to maintain more in a hybrid because you have both battery and motor/transmission. If it's just gas then it's standard maintenance, if only EV then battery every 100k miles (which either cost less than overall maintenance costs in a hybrid). The advantage of EV is that the gas savings cover the costs of battery replacement. Everything has it's pros and cons though. I've seen a Chevy hybrid with over 400k miles and still got juice to run more.
Bro, you just said it yourself. Hybrids are bulletproof, especially Priuses, as there are still people on the road driving 1st and 2nd generation well over 100k miles. Replacing the battery on a PHEV is still way affordable than a full EV and new PHEV from Toyota the warranty covers the battery for 150k miles. @WhiteWolfos
I’ve seen someone drive their Prius to 0% battery power, and the gas engine just cut on automatically. That was one one thing that made me think about looking for a hybrid truck. When I have a payload, I want the satisfaction of knowing that I will have a gas engine to rely on. I can’t go full electric.
There is one heuristic that is annoying on the Pry-us Pry-me. Going down hill on a cold day with a full charge. The gas engine will invariably turn on if you gain too much speed. Dumb. All other use-cases have been optimal.
The timing of this is perfect for us- this is the exact comparison we’re making. I drive 30 miles each way to work with 20 miles of highway. I’ll have to take a 300 mile trip monthly as well. The calculus is tough but your video helps. My biggest issue is that I trust Toyota and believe it will last as my others have. Tesla… I just don’t know.
We’ve owned several Tesla’s. You won’t go back to a gas drivetrain. 98% of your charge will be gone at home. I highly recommend test driving. Not to mention the safest cars on the road.
2 years ago when I was in the market for a new car I was looking at the Toyota RAV4 Prime but none were available. I finally settled on Tesla Model Y and had to wait 9 months for it but I'm glad that I did.
I bought a Lexus hybrid. I traded in my Mercedes-Benz S class after 185,000 miles trouble free for this small Lexus hybrid and I loved it very much. My daughter drove it for a few years and now she’s driving my old 2018 long range Candy apple red Tesla model three and she loves it. I love the wood and the leather and the massaging seats in the Mercedes-Benz and the fact when you’re driving around they’re not everywhere. What I don’t like about the Mercedes is the 2000 moving parts. And I like the Tesla because every time you go to a stop, your regenerating power for the battery and the engine shuts off at every stoplight not wasting fuel. The hybrid was the best before Tesla came on the scene. I’m waiting for the new revised edition of the Tesla model Y I like the higher seat and the more space in the back. The model three looks better. But the model Y is more practical.. you are very lucky to have a model why that should last you for at least 200,000 miles of fun driving!
@danielstehura9657 @danielstehura9657 hey let you know the tesla has no motor it's all electric there is no engine turning off. The regen braking just converts the power of the braking to more battery like it's charging it. A hybrid turns on the motor when you need it then uses the eletric power when you don't. They have regen braking also and it goes into the battery.
@@Filithecoolguy 50% of the dealers I went to where going to do the markup crap. I told them if they put $5 on I'd walk. I don't think I deterred them. It was just a dealer that wasn't pulling those shenanigans. It's too bad that this stuff is happening. The dealers are ruining the sales.
Toyota is king of car mfg, Prius is first name for the Hybrid cars. When I drive Prius I feel I am safe to go anywhere, Drive Tesla I feel I will stop anytime , anywhere, I am a owners for Prius and Model 3, my Model 3 good tools to go from home to work, My Prius can take me anywhere
4th gen Prius Prime could be routinely picked up for $22-27k + TTL in eastern states in the 2017-2021 year model (before prices went crazy). They also qualified for the old $4.5k federal tax credit making Primes cheaper than Corollas... but that was axed by the inflation reduction act... Toyota got screwed
I charge my M3LR on level 1 charging overnight whereby I add about 50 miles of range. I was originally going to install a 220 v line but I decided to see how things go at 120v. After 3 years works just fine.
I bought a 3-pfase (3x16A) Tesla wall connector and have all the cables to the garage in place, but I have not yet bothered to mount it on the wall, as the included single phase 13A charger is sufficient for the amount of driving I do, which was quite a surprise to me. (all 240V since I'm in Europe) I bought the long-range for the 4WD and other options, not because I needed the range. I mostly charge it just on Sundays.
Why would you recommend a plug-in hybrid for owners without at home charging (6:58 into your video)? Better to go just the normal hybrid and not have to carry the extra weight of the PHEV.
Even if you don’t have that ability. Any extra power while you drive your hybrid will send that extra power towards the EV battery. 🔋 So, you may not have that option now, you could in the future and that is a nice bonus. 😮
I’ll be getting a new Prius Prime in a few years. Turn signal lever, shifting lever and physical buttons will always win me over. Also, I drive 12 miles a day…….so no need for an EV.
Great review and insights. Both vehicles are worthy of purchase. A couple of thoughts for consideration. 1. Dependability of charging stations: as other videos show, many charging stations are slow to charge, or out of order. Ouch. 2. Resale value: look up the various blue books on facts on resale. Resale after five years or so. 3. Personal note: I’m a Mercedes owner, but I do note how many 10 to 20 year old Toyota Prius cars are still on the road. Very, very dependable. Perhaps Tesla’s are too. Best of luck,
Prius is a great car but you don't see many 20 year old prius still around. Once that high voltage battery goes out its thousands of dollars and they are not worth much at that age. Teslas and hybrids are in the same boat of an eventual battery replacement or trip to the junk yard if it costs too much to do it.
@@darens440 They are estimated to get 200k-300k in a life time. I see 3rd gen Prius all the time, I won’t be using it for long rides or weekends so that’s totally 20years easily.
@@cuve_ae It's not so much the mileage as it is the time and needing to replace the expensive battery pack. In my market at least theres exactly 2 Prius from 2000-2005 for sale. If you set it to Camry theres 40 cars, 57 4 runners, 24 corollas. At some point every car is too expensive to fix vs its value and it gets junked out. You might have to spend $5k for a replacement hybrid battery once in its life at some point.
@@darens440 no doubt about the longevity of those other vehicles. Wyd think about the new 4Runners Im looking to grab one but am nervous about how long they’ll last specifically the hybrid option
I would say go with the Prius if you doing lots of road trip driving or even rideshare business, tesla is also great if you want a full ev experience and have a home/garage to charge at night! Owning an Ev while living in appartment isn't always practical cause u will be spending more on charging and sometimes having that anxiety when you driving too far
If you live in an apartment and can't home charge, no point in buying the plugin Prius either, as it will literally never get plugged in. Just stick with regular hybrid kind and save money on the purchase price (and get better gas mileage).
@@ab-tf5fl I mostly agree, but if the Prime is sitting outside all day and you get the solar roof option, it will charge the battery. The solar roof option actually charges the battery will driving too. And the battery does get regenerative braking charging as well. But having a place to charge at home is best.
I would make the opposite argument. If you do a lot of long-distance driving, get the Model 3, because it will save you a lot of money on fuel costs. With the M3 LR, you get 250 KW DC fast charging to go from 10% to 80% in 27 minutes (274 miles), whereas the M3 standard range offers 170 KW DC fast charging to go from 10% to 80% in 25 minutes (223 miles). Either way, most people are ready to stop for 25 minutes after driving 200 miles. Of course, if you drive on routes that don't have Superchargers, you are better off with the Prius PHEV.
I have a 18 model 3 and a 17 Volt plug in hybrid. They are both great. Daily commute in the Volt is 20-30 miles daily so I can go months without having to buy gas. The biggest difference at the end of the day is my wife and I both love the Model 3 because of the technology integration into the phone app and the performance of the 2 cars isn't even close. The Volt feels like a model 3 in chill mode.😂
I had a 2012 Volt and it had a Sport mode setting that made the car pretty quick. It’s what sold me on electric drive! Are you comparing the Tesla Model 3 acceleration to the Volt with the latter in Sport mode? Or do late model Volts not have Sport mode? Regardless, I only drive Teslas now.
@@Widdermaker My 2nd Gen Volt has a sport mode but it is not a big difference between normal mode. My model 3 is a dual motor that goes 0-60 in 4 seconds lol.
“…adds complexity…” True. In January 2021, I started looking at replacing our aging Toyota. We’ve had Toyotas for decades, so of course, that make was top of the list. But I was keenly interested in something other than CE - either PHEV, hybrid or EV. Thanks to many TH-cam videos, I went from knowing nothing about EVs et al to knowing some. Further research helped me make my final choice: Tesla Model 3 SR+. I decided against the PHEV/hybrid choice because of one issue: complexity. Not only do you have the EV power system, but there’s also the CE power train, and then the intermediary system that makes those two work together. 3 distinct and separate systems seemed overkill to me. I’m happy to say 2 ½ years later, 39k miles of driving, I am very pleased with my choice! Safe travels all.
This complexity argument is bogus. Toyota invented electrification of modern ICE cars with the introduction of their Synergy drive 20+ years ago. I had a 2004 Prius for 19 years and it was the best car I've ever had. In fact, if you were to buy a PHEV, Toyota PHEVs are the ones to get.
@@theexmann I’m really glad you have been satisfied with your choice. I was merely sharing my process on how I came to the decision I did. And, just like you, I’m very happy with my decision. (But I don’t have to resort to put downs in the process.) Safe travels!
@@ezpoppy55 It's not a put down. It's an informed opinion about people using the complexity argument as a valid criticism of the Toyota PHEV technology, it's not.
@@theexmann “Bogus” is a put down. Full stop. If you want to disagree, based on your personal experience, that’s fine. People are allowed to differ - I have no problem with someone stating “My experience is different…” But when someone has to start off with an insult, well.., Safe travels.
@@theexmannyou nailed it. The people that say this are misrepresenting the truth. Many of the common failure points of traditional ICE cars are not on a hybrid.
Here's the way I see it, if you have an attached garage & you don't want a full on ICE vehicle then getting a full on EV only makes sense because you will have the ability to add a level two charger at minimal cost & 99.99% of your charging will be able to be done at home. However if you live in a situation where level 2 isn't an option or it's just too costly because you have a detached garage then a PHEV with good EV only range is the best option. Forget roadtripping for a moment because one of the biggest barriers even for everyday use of an EV is going to be found in inner cities like New York, DC, Philly, Chicago and alike because people either live in apartments, condos or homes with detached garages or street parking only. Also many of these neighborhoods don't have access to DC fast charging because it's just too far away.
There are a billion of Telsas parked on Los Angeles city streets every night. For those people charging is done when they get to half a battery and they seldom fully charge. Lots of charges in parking garages, streets, malls, parks, libraries, job sites, apt bluidings, etc. They just plan around it. Even access to 110 V outlet with charge a vehicle. Remember unless its a cab it is sitting idle most of the day and night.
@@cfldriven you notice I didn’t mention LA in the cities I listed & that’s for a reason, LA is in California & besides Colorado California is the most EV friendly state in the country. However even though California is the largest state by population, the Northeast Corridor is the most populated area of the country & as someone who lives in this area it’s just not that easy to find charging at those places and when you do good luck if they work. Also, they have done videos on how Brooklyn NY is void of fast chargers & that’s the largest burrow in NYC. In Chicago where I’m from do you realize how difficult it is to even find a destination charger let alone a fast charger. The last time I looked it up on the Southside there were exactly three (two super chargers & one EA) and this is where 2/3 of the cities population lives. The simple fact is it’s not easy owning an EV in these cities unless you have home access.
@@kenyattaclay7666 Here some fun facts from Charge Hub, The city of Chicago in Illinois, United States, has 880 public charging station ports (Level 2 and Level 3) within 15km. 86% of the ports are level 2 charging ports and 43% of the ports offer free charges for your electric car. The city of Brooklyn in New York, United States, has 622 public charging station ports (Level 2 and Level 3) within 15km. 86% of the ports are level 2 charging ports and 44% of the ports offer free charges for your electric car. The city of Los Angeles in California, États-Unis, has 4432 public charging station ports (Level 2 and Level 3) within 15km. 93% of the ports are level 2 charging ports and 12% of the ports offer free charges for your electric car. For area size it seems Brooklyn has the advantage, although finding a parking spot in Brooklyn or my old hometown Chgo is PIA. I now live rural SE and there is growing number of EV chargers. After 4 yrs I decided to install a charger in the garage to save me the walk on winter days.
I'm curious, the "refresh" model 3 gets rid of the shifting stalk. I always thought the stalk was for redundancy. If the screen goes out, at least you can still drive it. With no stalk, if your screen goes out, now you are stranded?
Most people don’t realize that one pedal driving uses slightly more energy than a lower level of re-gen breaking that allows the car to coast while still putting some energy into the battery. There’s no free lunch, if you put energy into the battery and then take it back out, there’s a slight efficiency loss compared to coasting. Some people for a long time have been aware of coasting with their gas cars, and when they see a traffic light change ahead, take there foot off the throttle and coast for a while before braking to a stop.
Prius Vs Tesla; I have owned Prius; The last generation Prius. I drove over 250K miles over 7 years ( I put Liqui Molly oil "Germany Oil" ). The battery have a problem & end up donate it. I recently purchased Tesla 3 for months & drive over 2500 miles; it wonderful charge at home; long trip charge @ Tesla charger. we will see down the line.
The pro of the hybrid is that if they’re able to use half the batteries, and satisfy needs/winter range of a larger group of people then it will get many to drive “electric” within 40 miles round trip. Also, batteries hopefully will eventually be closed loop w recycling just the same. Demand may be better in US for hybrids in short term too. Lugging around the ice engine/headaches doesn’t sound great tho!
Headaches I'll give you. "Lugging around" though is a wash. You're equally lugging around 250 miles worth of extra batteries in the Tesla when you make a 40 mile trip. Which is heavier, the ICE/gas tank/transmission/etc, or the not-needed-on-that-trip battery cells? Actually, there's a real-world example. Kia makes the Niro, same body, in Hybrid, PHEV, and full BEV. And the full BEV comes in about 400 pounds heavier than the PHEV, even with a full gas tank.
@@MostlyHarmlessNebr-gb6di if you are comparing same type cars (not like this review, the Prius is a compact vs a sedan), like a Mazda6 vs the Tesla3, you'll find that the 6 is actually heavier !
@@marcgrondin65 I was going for a car that's the exact same chassis for an EV vs hybrid because there's a bajillion other variables. That said, a Tesla M3 *definitely* weighs more than a Mazda 6.
@@MostlyHarmlessNebr-gb6diexactly. This line is BS. Either way, on short trips you have "dead weight". That unused weight is there for its potential, that future longer trip you may take.
How does that huge glass roof the Tesla has work in sunny, hot climates, like the 115* Utah desert? Even with a car with a smaller sunroof and shade you could feel the heat radiating through.
This is reverse world. Accessibility via screen is NOT easier.On my my car I can adjust radio volume, cruise controls, wipers, lights and other devices without even looking. As natural as scratching your nose. Make no mistake, the elimination of physical buttons is done for cost savings and has been sold to customers as a flashy improvement. It simply isn’t.
I do not understand how netural they were when talking about minimalism. A car is a tool with safety standards, u NEED buttons and handles. No one should be fooled, Tesla is just cheaping out by making everything on a big screen, it's simplifying manufacturing and cost by making it less safe.
The new version (Highland) of Model 3 is not just “minor tweaks” and style changes. That is a hugely redesigned and enhanced model for the same price! More silent, more efficient, better interior materials, etc. You really should have compared the Prius to the most recent version of Model 3! It is available here in Europe for a month already.
Had a 2012 camry hybred, best car i had ever owned my granddaughter now drives it and loves it. No doubt Toyota makes a great product. But i now have a model three that I have put 40,000 miles on and its just incredible, way better than i expected. Took many long trips battery lasts way longer than my bladder or hunger can stand. Once drove it 4000 mi in six days. What more can i say?
Well done video! Where I am at now is if there was a hybrid with 100 miles Ev, that would be my sweet spot! And, although a fan of Tesla I feel they are going TOO drastic on the minimalist approach! Taking away the blinker stock has crossed the boundary!
I drive a Prius prime and I'm averaging about 5.3 miles per kilowatt hour. The range is more than enough for my daily commute and with the 9 gallon tank I still have just under 700 miles of range on a single refuel and charge. For daily commuters I rarely see Teslas getting better than 3.5 mi per kilowatt hour, and a friend's model 3 (2017) is only getting around 2.1. if we're talking about drive train efficiency especially somewhere where electricity is very expensive, daily use is half the cost in a Prius.
We've had our 24 Prime for two months now. I haven't bothered to monitor the Kwh per mile yet. But, we've driven close to 2,000Km (1,250'ish miles), and there's still a third of the dealers gas in the tank. Gas here is almost $7.00 a gallon but hydro is just .1325Kwh. So, naturally, we plug-in every night. Even with still chill spring temperatures we're seeing 80Km (50 miles), on a charge. Enough for our daily needs at 1/3rd the cost for gas. Not many pumps in our future. BTW, this is our third Prius but first PHEV.
How many gallons does the Prius gas tank hold? I do drive interstate and need to gas up quickly to make time. Possibly I can plug in at the hotel or dinner stop. What style is the Prius plug
Good video. I did note that you said in the Prius B mode turns on regen. B mode _increases_ regen. Any time you lift the throttle, you get some regen**. Using the "brakes" also does regen, until the reben indicator bottoms out at which time the mechanical brakes are blended in*. Coming down from Pike's Peak I got 18 miles of regen, and like all hybrids and EVs got to skip the MANDATORY brake temperature test at the bottom. The mechanical brakes will last a very long time. I am sure that is also true of the Tesla and other EVs, HVs and PHEVs. * When slowing to a stop, the mechanical brakes are blended in when the car is almost stopped. I am thinking at around 9 MPH to 0. ** As indicated by a guage on the dash.
We bought a 2024 Prime two months ago and expect the brakes to last for at least twelve years. This, based on our experience with the 2012 Prius C we traded in for the new car. The C had 125,000+ Km and though the front brakes were replaced at ten years, the rear shoes were still good. Amazing considering the C did not have Regen. brakes. We always used the B mode with the C. The new Prime has full Regen. brakes and we think they will last the life of the car. Nearly 2,000 Km on the car and the first tank of gas is still not gone ! Important as gas here is around $7.00 per gallon.
I find it fascinating about peoples' desire for a huge glass roof. I think it helps sell the Teslas like sunroofs and moonroofs helped sell cars. But in all 45 years that been owning and riding in other peoples' vehicles, the sunroofs and moonroofs had their shades closed. I'm pretty sure it's due to the combination of increased noise and light. Regardless, for most people, glass roofs, sunroofs, and moonroofs are like gym memberships. You pay for it, and think thats what you want, but then you never use it or care for it.
@wlittleman, i really agree with your assessment on sunroof etc. Americans or consumers in general are such suckers for the image and idea that they’re buying. They’re not always in touch with their own reality: how they actually end up using item.
Paint is an expensive part of car production, so when integrated into the design of a car, a (non-opening) glass roof may not be that much more expensive.
We keep ours closed when it's hot but keep it open when it's cool (we have an Ioniq 5 with one large pano sunroof, no support bar bisecting it). Keeping it open makes the car feel appreciably roomier, especially in the back (It's already pretty roomy). Since we have a lot of tall people in our family, it works out nicely. In my brother's Tesla I don't notice the pano roof as much when sitting in the back - maybe it's the support bar that runs through the middle tricking my brain into thinking the roof is solid? And I think the tinting is darker on Teslas because you can't close the roof. So to your point, I'm not sure how much of a selling point the sunroofs are on Teslas. But I agree with these guys, after driving my brother's Tesla for a while, their software, trip planning, auto unlock/start, charging experience, and charge network are reeeeeally nice. Once you get used to them, it feels clunky returning to other vehicles without them. 🥲
The Tesla has aged well and still looks modern overall. It's crashworthiness is proven as well. I just find the Prius to have higher quality in terms of build and a much more comfortable ride quality. Both cars are firm, it's not about firmness. I like firm. It's more absorption and damping is excellent in the Prius. Also, the 3 and Y feel kind of hollow and do have echos in the cabin. Maybe that's structural. Maybe it's been tamed in the "Highland," I don't know. One is BEV and the other is PHEV and PHEV can mimic BEV in some respects. Prius is newer and smaller inside for sure and I do like the convenience of a few strategically placed buttons. I use screens enough at work and in life so the novelty of using them has worn off on me.
I hate to sound so biased, but I just purchased the new Prius Prime and it’s the best overall vehicle I’ve ever owned. I have also owned an EV (ID4) and have rented others (Teslas). To me, there’s nothing that comes close to the Prius for under $70k. I know that many folks consider BEVs to be superior, but this Prius has me thinking that PHEVs are the better product. I’ve got my freedom back and my range feels limitless. Side note: as a software engineer, the screens and perceived technologies in other brands aren’t really noteworthy to me; my laptop is fancier.
Hi max. Could you talk about how to drive in the snow and correct skids w one pedal driving? We have converted to all EVs but some you can’t turn off one pedal driving. Thanks.
I am considering these two cars, but one thing that would be helpful in making a decision would be the performance of both cars in cold weather. Since you are in Colorado, and many people live in climates that have a real winter, that comparison is very needed. Fair weather/ warm weather performance is fine, but cold weather seems to kill a lot (if not all) of the Tesla advantage. Would love to see you check that out. But, excellent review, thanks.
We got our 2024 Prime on March 20th when temperatures were hovering around 5 C. At first, we got about 60Km on a charge. Now, we've driven into May and the average daytime temperature is closer to 11 C. Yesterday, I drove 81.5 Km on battery only. In any event, we can motor on when the battery dies. Charging the battery here costs less than $ 2.00. But gas is almost $7.00 a gallon. We have traveled over 1,250 miles (2,000Km), on the first tank of gas and it's still not empty.
Great review. Your "situation" does matter a lot! If, like you say, you have easy at home charging and highway driving is more limited - the Model 3 (or any EV) is a good - even great - option. If, however, you aren't able to easily charge at home and/or need greater range, the Prius (either hybrid or Prime) is a great option (I actually prefer the simple Hybrid for it's less complex setup). We're living at that crossover time in history. IMO - and as a two -car family with one EV and one diesel (for the highway long hauls!) - I think we're still in the "early adopter" phase for EVs - and probably will be until both the infrastructure improves and charging time decrease - and/or EV range increases (our diesel drives all day without "fueling" concerns - 700+ miles - but something like 500+ would be great too). This is where solid state batteries can (hopefully, will) help on both fronts - charging speed and range!
@@theexmann Tell that to my son who has a 2021 Rav4 Prime and last July he got a recall letter saying do not charge when the Temperature is less than 41F because of a DC-DC convertor fire issue. They said they would have a fix in 4th qtr and now its half way through 4th qtr and the dealer says they still haven't heard anything. He lives in New England and is getting below freezing now, thanks a lot Toyota.
8:27 - Not sure I follow you there…? Driving on gas, it’s still a very-efficient hybrid, so you get exceptional MPG. I’m not sure about these new Priuses, but my 2017 Prius Prime actually gets very-slightly-higher MPG than the 2017 regular Prius. That, mostly because it had more battery space to regenerate into, and its battery wasn’t much heavier.
There a good aftermarket driver display for around $300 that also gives your model 3 or Y Apple CarPlay 😊. For those who don’t like the screen n the center only.
I keep my cars a long time, like 20-30 years. The traction battery needing replacement at 10 yr/100k miles means the Prius is a much better value for me. Even if 10 years the Telsa will have very little resale as a replacement battery is not cost effective while a Prius battery replacement won't wipe out the value of the car.
We just got our 3rd Prius, but our first PHEV. Traded in a 12 year old Model C and got half of what we paid for it way back when. The tiny Traction Battery was still fine. We're hoping the 13.6Kwh battery in the Prime lasts that long. Right now, our two month old Prime gives us 80Km (50 M) , of range. It now has close to 2,000Km on it (over 1,200 Miles), and we still have a third of the first tank onboard. Perfect.
In Canada, due to crazy dealer markups, the dealers are charging $10,000 MORE for the Prius Prime than what the base Model 3 sells for. So the Tesla is way cheaper, and you don't have to wait 3 years to get one.
21:48 - “A lot of [hybrids] will try to capture some of that energy back into the battery”: Remember that Priuses, unlike Teslas, perform “blended braking”: When you put on the brake, it will always do as much of the braking as it can via regeneration, then augment that with friction braking where needed. Last I heard at least, Tesla brake pedals always directly drive the friction brakes, and the only way to get regenerative braking is lifting your foot off the accelerator.
In my Tesla I don't use the break pedal on most trips, but when I do, I use the same foot so I automatically lift the accelerator. When I let go of the brake pedal, the car still keeps doing full regenerative braking, which takes some getting used to. I think both motors do regenerative braking in my dual-motor Model 3.
I've driven a plug-in Honda Clarity for 5 years now, and I love it! Mostly, I drive in EV mode; but, for road trips I use the HV mode (hybrid). If my e gets low, I hold the HV button down, and it immediately becomes a generator and starts charging the e battery. Unfortunately, Honda has discontinued the Clarity for lack of sales, and I am searching for an PHEV that is as efficient and comfortable as my Touring Clarity. I get between 50-60 miles on a full charge, depending upon my speed and weather conditions which require the use of auxiliary features (heat, a/c, wipers, etc.). I've never had one repair with this car, and it continues to take a full charge. I enjoy this car so much that I bought an extended basic warranty to keep the basics covered. My problem is that my primary concern is efficiency, and I'm not finding the new cars as good as my Clarity. Today I just learned that a PHEV Honda CR-V was introduced in Europe. After reading about this car, this is what I'd like to move to after my Clarity. Do you have any inside information on this new vehicle -- why it's not soon coming to the USA in addition to Europe, and will it be coming at all and when? I have to agree with your guests today in that there is a learning curve when moving from an ICE vehicle to a PHEV, but when you "get" the basics, wow, is it great! I'm 77, and had no problems learning to drive my Clarity, and when on a road trip with my daughter, only once after stopping to get my typical 3.5 gals of gas, she forgot to push the HV button (defaults to EV after turning it off). Seeing the EV gauge drop down shocked her, and she didn't make that mistake again. Most people really don't understand PHEVs and just think they're a hybrid car. This is the fact that's important to me: with a hybrid car, you have no choice to drive in all EV. With a plug-in, you have the choice. I go for long periods of time only driving in EV, and I have to remember to drive in HV once in awhile just to mix up the gas left in the 7 gallon tank from my last roadtrip. Most people won't take the initiative to learn something new, so Honda and other PHEV producers need to do a better job of educating the public to their virtues. Had they done this when the Clarity was on the market, their sales might have been better. By the way, I've, also, got solar panels on my house, so I charge up my car during the day on solar power, paying nothing to drive my car!
My father in law bought his first Prius when he and his wife were in their early eighties ! That has always impressed me (and others). He adapted to the technology rapidly and convinced us to consider buying one. My wife is close to 60 now and I'm 65. We just got our third Prius two months ago. And this time we chose the PHEV Prime. So far, we have been able to run it (almost), strictly in EV Mode. After two full months there's still one third of the Dealer tank onboard and we have driven close to 2,000Km (1,250 miles). The Honda Clarity was a great vehicle for sure. But take a look at the 5th Generation Prius Prime. Like your lamented Honda, you can use it as a full EV most of the time. Cheers and happy motoring.
We ended up getting a M3 RWD in June and the new Prime SE in August. Both very nice cars but the M3 user interface and driving experience is better . It will be interesting to see how they age.
@@MrKillerRCNot necessarily: I am the owner of a very long term kept Prius from 2005 bought new. At this point it has no market value but it is a still cheap reliable long highway commute vehicle. Except Teslas from 2012-2014 all others if not abused might still serve well having the same old car issue - very low market value in a shell of a still usable car.
@@MrKillerRC When my Prius was 10 years old I had to replace high voltage battery. Trade in value after battery replacement at dealership was 7000 USD. That is why I kept it.
I have both a Camry hybrid and a Bolt EUV. A PHEV is better in most parts of the country, but here in California where DCFC is widely available I would get the an EV.
The Prime is still better than a full EV in California if you can charge it daily and drive less than 40 miles a day. I would get an EV if I also had a hybrid for road trips. A PHEV can do the job of both of those cars though.
@@theexmannThe Ev doesn't have the additional costs of smog checks, oil changes, ect so it can be a greater value. If you normally don't commute far then you wouldn't have to charge the EV as often as you would with a plug in.
A few years ago, My wife’s Prius was driven with 1 quart of oil in it (normally it would be 4 quarts)for nearly 6 months (not my fault). I was so convinced it needed a new engine I started shopping on EBay, and they were going for like $100.00( complete engine assembly…LOL). Toyotas just don’t freakn break…which also adds to their incredible resale value
It’s way more than twice. The gasoline engine drivetrain is what has all the maintenance. So you inherit the same maintenance of an ICE car….. because it is an ice car. The EV components shouldn’t require maintenance unless Toyota has bad engineers. There is more opportunity for failures of course, but the maintenance is all coming from the ICE side of the equation
We have owned the previous generation of Prius Prime (2021) and a 2010 Prius, and no, the maintenance is minimal. Toyota makes an excellent reliable product and the hybrid drive reduces the stress on the engine and brakes. For our 2010 Prius, we have needed NO major repairs outside of body work (minor accident). Just brakes, fluids, tires and annual servicing. We have 150,000kms (93,000 mi) of urban driving, so lower use, but still our main battery is good after 14 years.
Hi team. I'm from Australia, an electrical engineer, but not an EV owner yet but interested. Like in these comments regarding rural America Australian driving distances outside cities can and are significant. I firmly believe a PHEV is ideal particularly given our public infrastructure is no way near where it needs to be. One thing to note as a risk for Australia is that we have strict mobile phone and driving laws. One challenge with cars like Tesla will be to put ALL functionality onto a screen which could potentially be illegal if Tesla goes too far, such as eliminating a turn indication stock for a distractive computer screen where drivers take their eyes off the road.
Nice to see the power increase on the Prius, the best thing about BEVs is really the instant power and driving dynamics... I can see these working for a lot of people especially those that don't give a damn about any power differences.
It would be nice to see Prius go away, and the CEO of Toyota get his finger out of his butt and start making great electric cars! This idiot spent more money wasted more money on stupid hydrogen cars hydrogen cars are ridiculous and this is what the CEO thought was a solution. What an idiot!
My XLE came with a glass roof and 12" monitor , mud flaps , all weather floormats , heated seats , andriod auto and apple carplay w/youtube and gets 50mpg !!! "I mash" lol so i cant get 60mpg like some say is possible . "I love my Prius"
Several things to add. Just picked up our Prius Prime XSE Premium yesterday on 8/17/24. Had been on an allocation/order list with our dealer here in Texas since April 2023. The recent safety recall on the Prius over the door issue was a further point of delay but the car we received was a build date of July 2024. I had been checking with different dealers on availability. One of the dealers I was working with and thought I’d located a vehicle didn’t bother inform me of their $5000 in “market adjustments and dealer add ons” until they sent me paperwork for price approval. After a brief and spirited “discussion” I told them to take a hike. My current dealer (where we made our purchase) did not add on any type adjustment and actually tinted our windows and installed door edge guards for free. When I told our salesman about the market adjustment he actually laughed. One thing that could be now in favor of the Prius Prime is Elon having kind of gone crazy in the minds of many including current Tesla owners. Tesla sales have been taking a hit recently since this video was made. I was actually looking at the Model 3 as a possibility last year but after recent events I changed my mind to go back with another Toyota. As far as holding value is concerned we had been driving a 2019 Prius LE. We purchased that car new for $26500. Yesterday I sold the car to Carmax for $19000 cash. I consider that as excellent return on a 5 1/2 year old car. That being said the dealer offered $14000 trade. Even with the sales tax difference on trade I still came out ahead with $5k additional in cash. Lesson here, if you’re going to “trade” shoo your options. Waiting to have our level 2 charger installed because it did take 10.5 hours to charge the battery off the household charger that’s included. The time savings is worth the expense to me. I work from home and my wife will be using the car for back and forth to work. That being said, based on our driving habits we should only need to use gas on extended trips and daily use should be almost 100% electric.
After 2 Model 3 ( SR and Dual ) and an Audi Q4 ETron, I now drive the new Prius.......... im mostly always in EV and it's much cheaper and has more luxury stuff than my Audi ( except the amazing Matrix LED ) Fast charging now in Quebec is more expensive than putting regular gaz in the prius on road trip.............
The full EV mode of the Toyota is really cool but for urban setting where people don't have garages with overnight access to plugs the self charging configuration via the engine would be more convenient. 4 hours at a plug in is long if you are reliant on charge stations and don't have ready access to them at work. Aren't people who own homes/garages less likely to have these as they don't need to save on gas as much as people who don't have garages?
If you’re “self” charging with the gas engine you shouldn’t be driving a plug in hybrid. It’s inefficient. The traditional hybrid Prius would be a better fit.
Good Job comparing. I think you failed to mention upkeep as a primary reason for customers to go with Tesla Model 3 vs the Toyota Prius Hybrid. For me this upkeep reason I went with Tesla
Another point people forget are high insurance costs - they can highly fluctuate though depending on location or other factors. But from a pure cost perspective its hard to beat a Tesla for now.
Toyota pays for all the maintenance for the first 2 years. Toyota also have the best quality control of any car company. Tesla's are known to have terrible quality control issues by comparison. And don't thy go threw tires and brakes much faster than most cars? Their batteries also degrade significantly in the first few years.
A Prius is quite good cost per mile. Toyota is reliable (of course this is a new model so time will tell). In terms of insurance, the UK is experiencing increase in insurance on every type of car, but for many, EV car insurance has gone up. The cost to repair one is a lot, especially a Tesla. There was a recent EV exhibition in the excel centre in London and that was me speaking to an EV insurance company. However prices may go down when more people own EV's according to that staff member.
5 years ago it made sense for me to buy my used 2015 Volt, which is paid off, still works for my commute on electric, and is way too cheap to get rid of. But I would only buy another plug in hybrid at this point if I didn't have home charging.
Great review of both cars. I previously drove a Volvo XC90 Recharge PHEV for 9 months before buying a Model 3 Long Range three months ago. The Volvo was a great car and I charged it every night, but it only had 28-30 miles of EV only range. That was enough range for weekend driving around town but pretty useless Monday through Friday. Therefore the Tesla M3 was the better fit for me. Tennessee has very low electricity rates (12 cents per KWh) so I essentially max out the fuel savings compared to gasoline ICE vehicles. The M3 is perfect for us “empty nesters” and we will be road tripping long distance soon. Well done guys.
We have 2 EVS and a PHEV in our family. The PHEV only gets us 17 miles of all electric range, but that's still good enough to routinely get us 700 miles per fill up, sometimes 800 miles. And this is on a tiny 9.75 gallon tank. The key with PHEVs is your driving pattern. If you're doing a lot of short trips, where you can do 75% of your driving just on the battery, you can really get great results. If you're constantly doing 100 mile trips, yeah, the longer you drive, the more the battery becomes useless. The average US driver does 40 miles per day, so PHEVs definitely have their place, especially if you live in an apartment and don't have consistent access to an L2 charger.
Thanks for the good review. I enjoyed it. Really though, making a distinction betweeen having to press one start button and a superior/inferior feature is pretty lame. Like it's so minor it doesn't even register as a nitpick. In fact, for some/many having the power on/off is a benefit. Simply taking things away doesn't make something better. Like a display in front of the driver. Just because you can possibly go without the driver display doesn't mean it's better to leave it out.
Toyota has over $150 billion in debt (yes, billion). If they were to price their cars to actually make a profit then your statement would definitely be true.
I owned a 2017 Prius Prime (the first year it came out). I really liked this car and it turned out to be a great transition to a BEV. I now drive a 2023 Tesla M3LR and LOVE it! Interestingly, the 2017 Prime had a heat pump, which Tesla didn't put in the Model 3 until late 2022! With the Prime, I was able to do a lot of city driving in EV mode, even with the smaller battery than the current Prius. I learned that 120V charging (Level 1) would be adequate if I had a larger battery, since I averaged less than 30 miles a day. With the Tesla, I still use L1 charging and it's fully adequate until I go on a roadtrip.
The seating position in the rear seat of the M3 is not good. It's better on the Prius. Look at the guys legs when he's in the back seat. His knees are pointing up much higher than on the Prius. The total range on the Prius is about 600+ miles fully fueled and charged. The Tesla looks dated compared to the new Prius too.
I was making this comparison for myself. I had to turn away from Prius because of the horrible availability and dealership model, that's really just the one thing kneecapping Toyota here. Prius makes more sense from a cost to own perspective, but I had to go to Tesla for the actual ability to buy and at MSRP--in contrast Prius was a long waitlist and huge dealer markup bringing it to the cost of the Model Y. Between the Prius and Y it was pretty obvious what to pick, I went with it for the additional utility which is very useful for me.
I think good part that you guys missed out on in this video that you save tons of money when it comes to Maintenance on Tesla whereas because Prius is a hybrid so there is still an engine and it would require regular maintenance .
You would need to add how many miles are expected to be driven in a day on average for that comparison to be worthwhile. If you are driving 100 miles per day on average there’s no advantage for the hybrid. Most people drive less than that.
I'll definitely go for a Prius a million times before I go to a full EV, it's simply better! (Yes, is better) none of the range anxiety, none of the hassle to charge it at home, or find a fast charger around time...
Sounds like you never had the Tesla experience. I travel over 600 miles a few times a year. Range anxiety was never an issue. Enter in your destination, charge at the recommended chargers that it preplans for you. Done. Daily use, I plug it in when I come home from work. Easy.
Charging at home is no hassle. Takes seconds to plug in. My 5 and 8 year argue over who's turn it is to do it. You can't fast charge a plug in hybrid at DC fast charge stations.
Love my Tesla Model 3 RWD. I had a 2023 Prius Prime on order earlier in the year, but could not get a firm delivery date. Having had 3 previous Prii, I was actually ready for a full EV anyway and I surely have no regrets. I have the LFP battery with 272 miles of range which is more than enough for my 2x per week, 120 mile round-trip drives to Chicago and back. I’ve got 240v charging in my garage, so never need to stop at a gas station unless I want one of those rotisserie hot dogs.
How many times can you make comments about build quality regarding the Tesla? How about talking about recalls and the cost of maintenance for Toyota (100% higher for Toyota)? I have a Model Y with 42k miles… tires and windshield wiper fluid are my only expenses. How many oil changes would you pay for the Toyota?
B MODE is used to preserve breaks when going downhill, it is not used to increase regenerative breaking... Driving in B mode in normal conditions is not recommended..
PHEV is the best option right now. No range anxiety for long trips (use gas or use onboard generator to recharge), no waiting, no overpaying the electricity at charging stations. Smaller battery takes way less time to charge. If the gas price is around $3 a gallon, the cost is way less than paying $.40/KW depends on your MPGe and the curb weight of your car. If you have a F150 Lightening you will be using a lot more juice than a Model 3 or Ioniq 5. For daily 60 miles or less commute, you are not buying gas anyway. PHEVs cost less for insurance and repair. In general the initial price of the car is less with the exception of Model 3 lately because of the price cuts, but can’t use Android auto or Apple CarPlay with Tesla. If you use the EV mode all the time with PHEV, your maintenance cost is about the same as a full EV, almost nothing.
If you are driving a Tesla, you will almost never have to wait at a charging station and charging is very easy and convenient. If using a CCS car (i.e. non-Tesla), it is a crap shoot how well DC fast charging will work and dealing with different apps for each charging network is definitely not convenient. You usually save money with long distance trips in a Model 3 compared to an ICE vehicle, but the Prius is so fuel efficient that they end up costing about the same. To go 300 miles in the M3SR consumes 63.4 kWh, which would cost $19.02 at Superchargers charging $0.30 per kWh. (Tesla Superchargers typically charge between $0.25 and $0.36 per kWh.) The same 300 mile trip in a Prius would consume 5.36 gallons of gasoline, which at $3.50 per gallon would cost $18.75.
Prius Prime is the way, U can camp anywhere , no worry much electric or gas . Plus range anxiety when travelling long distance. Model 3 is good for local drive not to go mountains or Alaska Highway .
For people who live in rural America, a PHEV is likely the best solution due to the lack of reliable charger infrastructure and long distances between towns and sometimes challenging topography. The Prius has bulletproof reliability and excellent resale value.
you have a point but in rural areas people can easily charge at home, while gas stations can be pretty far.
@@teklife Gee I wonder how those in rural areas drive at all without gas stations within range. They really should focus more on animal transport modes.
Joking aside, that's what the OP is talking about. Gas infrastructure is far, far more developed than charger infrastructure.
@@teklifeYeah you never know when the power at the gas pump goes out in those rural areas either.
I have a model three and if you charge at home you dont need a charger anywhere near home and once on the highway chargers are frequent enough to go anywhere. Chargers are becoming more common and you may notice gas stations that are due for tank replacements frequently shutting down instead.
That resale value is no joke, I upgraded to the 2023 Prius Prime, and sold my 2017 with 70,000 miles on it for $22,000, which is more than I paid for the thing brand new with the tax credit.
just got the prius prime. I went from driving a tundra for work at an average of 15mpg. Without charging the Prius I get around 48 mpg (and I drive a bit fast). The difference in gas savings for me per month is about $300 without even using the battery. Such an anxiety reducer not stressing about travel and not worrying about charging stations.
Which trim did you get? I have a 4th gen Prius, and although the power and body on the 2024 Prime is awesome, without the solar roof on the Prius Prime XSE Premium trim, it's hard to justify changing from a perfectly good Prius to a Prius Prime. The solar roof on the Prime XSE Premium makes it worth it IMO.
This is my literal use case I am looking at (except Tacoma)
Did you keep your Tundra though or trade it in? I really have to have a truck.
@@williamhall2386 traded in
Scott, charge your Prime.............,
We got our 2024 two months ago and charge it every night. To date, we've driven nearly 2,000Km (1,250 M), on the original fill-up and there's still a third of that gas still in the tank. It's far cheaper to run the Prime on electric power.
I also had a Tundra for work. Great, great truck, but, what a gas pig. Last two years at work they gave me a Ram 1500 with the same size (5.7l), engine and the Dodge gave close to triple the milage of the Toyota.
@@TomLawlor-iq6gm I try to always charge it. Sometimes I forget to plug it in and sometimes I stay at hotels or parents/grandparents.
I’m all in on the Prius Prime. Better looking, less weight to lug around for daily use, and enough EV range to maximize city driving and ICE for long range trips at the drop of a hat.
"less weight to lug around" is this even worth considering considering the model 3 still has better mpge and the fact model has superb handling compared to other evs or phev. Also the weight isn't that much more. You're just saying things
@@KaboWaboo I think we’re talking 1700kg (plus fuel) Vs 2250kg roughly. The Tesla probably carries it’s weight lower/better though.
Just ordered a 2024 Prius Limited for my daughter! Toyota are reliable and will last for 20+ years!
The down side is replacing the battery and having to maintain more in a hybrid because you have both battery and motor/transmission. If it's just gas then it's standard maintenance, if only EV then battery every 100k miles (which either cost less than overall maintenance costs in a hybrid). The advantage of EV is that the gas savings cover the costs of battery replacement. Everything has it's pros and cons though. I've seen a Chevy hybrid with over 400k miles and still got juice to run more.
@@WhiteWolfos it is what it is
@@WhiteWolfos - I have a cousin who is a certified mechanic and he stated he has seen hybrids go 20 years with original hybrid battery.
Bro, you just said it yourself. Hybrids are bulletproof, especially Priuses, as there are still people on the road driving 1st and 2nd generation well over 100k miles. Replacing the battery on a PHEV is still way affordable than a full EV and new PHEV from Toyota the warranty covers the battery for 150k miles. @WhiteWolfos
hyundai HV is the worst they dont even last 5 years and the dealership want $20,000 to repair.
new Prius simply looks so amazing.
I’ve seen someone drive their Prius to 0% battery power, and the gas engine just cut on automatically. That was one one thing that made me think about looking for a hybrid truck. When I have a payload, I want the satisfaction of knowing that I will have a gas engine to rely on. I can’t go full electric.
Toyota really should add a hydrogen engine just to have one more backup.
There is one heuristic that is annoying on the Pry-us Pry-me. Going down hill on a cold day with a full charge. The gas engine will invariably turn on if you gain too much speed. Dumb.
All other use-cases have been optimal.
@@MichaelFeng-k6u I wouldn't dare to carry a bomb around 😂
Dodge electric ram with the range extender sounds like it would be great for towing and long road trips. I hope they adopt nacs. though.
Never had a problem with capacity of tesla. Huge range. Good charging network.
Just bought a 23 Model 3 lfp just before the end of the year. Absolutely in love with it
It's the better car and will outlast even the legendary Prius. We have Tesla taxis here in France with huge km on them and
Prius Prime 100% I live in a very cold area and my current PHEV is perfect in these conditions.
The timing of this is perfect for us- this is the exact comparison we’re making. I drive 30 miles each way to work with 20 miles of highway. I’ll have to take a 300 mile trip monthly as well. The calculus is tough but your video helps. My biggest issue is that I trust Toyota and believe it will last as my others have. Tesla… I just don’t know.
You don’t know because you do not read.
We’ve owned several Tesla’s. You won’t go back to a gas drivetrain. 98% of your charge will be gone at home. I highly recommend test driving. Not to mention the safest cars on the road.
Judging from the materials quality and battery replacement costs after warranty... You know.
How long will Toyota last? (The company, not the car)
@@rogerstarkey5390 profits doubled in the last year, so announcements of their eminent death seem premature.
2 years ago when I was in the market for a new car I was looking at the Toyota RAV4 Prime but none were available. I finally settled on Tesla Model Y and had to wait 9 months for it but I'm glad that I did.
how much is your insurance now?
I bought a Lexus hybrid. I traded in my Mercedes-Benz S class after 185,000 miles trouble free for this small Lexus hybrid and I loved it very much. My daughter drove it for a few years and now she’s driving my old 2018 long range Candy apple red Tesla model three and she loves it. I love the wood and the leather and the massaging seats in the Mercedes-Benz and the fact when you’re driving around they’re not everywhere. What I don’t like about the Mercedes is the 2000 moving parts. And I like the Tesla because every time you go to a stop, your regenerating power for the battery and the engine shuts off at every stoplight not wasting fuel. The hybrid was the best before Tesla came on the scene. I’m waiting for the new revised edition of the Tesla model Y I like the higher seat and the more space in the back. The model three looks better. But the model Y is more practical.. you are very lucky to have a model why that should last you for at least 200,000 miles of fun driving!
You could have waited the same 9 months for a RAV4 but if you enjoy your M3 then fantastic.
@danielstehura9657 @danielstehura9657 hey let you know the tesla has no motor it's all electric there is no engine turning off. The regen braking just converts the power of the braking to more battery like it's charging it. A hybrid turns on the motor when you need it then uses the eletric power when you don't. They have regen braking also and it goes into the battery.
Are you planning to keep it for a long time? if battery fails after the warranty i heard is 20k!
With how much Toyota dealers STILL charge in markups, Tesla, with its $7500 incentive is actually cheaper than prius
I paid $0 in markups.
The dealer business model is broken
Just went to a dealer for a 31,000 car the dealer guy marked up the car to 39,000 i immediately left
@@Filithecoolguy 50% of the dealers I went to where going to do the markup crap. I told them if they put $5 on I'd walk. I don't think I deterred them. It was just a dealer that wasn't pulling those shenanigans. It's too bad that this stuff is happening. The dealers are ruining the sales.
Yes yes
Toyota is king of car mfg, Prius is first name for the Hybrid cars. When I drive Prius I feel I am safe to go anywhere, Drive Tesla I feel I will stop anytime , anywhere, I am a owners for Prius and Model 3, my Model 3 good tools to go from home to work, My Prius can take me anywhere
Yup!! Cause tell that to the harsh Illinois weather ! 😂
4th gen Prius Prime could be routinely picked up for $22-27k + TTL in eastern states in the 2017-2021 year model (before prices went crazy). They also qualified for the old $4.5k federal tax credit making Primes cheaper than Corollas... but that was axed by the inflation reduction act... Toyota got screwed
I charge my M3LR on level 1 charging overnight whereby I add about 50 miles of range. I was originally going to install a 220 v line but I decided to see how things go at 120v. After 3 years works just fine.
This would work perfectly for so many folk. So few people understand this.
I bought a 3-pfase (3x16A) Tesla wall connector and have all the cables to the garage in place, but I have not yet bothered to mount it on the wall, as the included single phase 13A charger is sufficient for the amount of driving I do, which was quite a surprise to me. (all 240V since I'm in Europe) I bought the long-range for the 4WD and other options, not because I needed the range. I mostly charge it just on Sundays.
Why would you recommend a plug-in hybrid for owners without at home charging (6:58 into your video)? Better to go just the normal hybrid and not have to carry the extra weight of the PHEV.
Even if you don’t have that ability. Any extra power while you drive your hybrid will send that extra power towards the EV battery. 🔋 So, you may not have that option now, you could in the future and that is a nice bonus. 😮
Agree. Plugin hybrid without home charging doesn't make sense
I made this same cross shopping two months ago, same colors too
After research, I drive a blue model 3 and fits everything I need, very happy so far
I’ll be getting a new Prius Prime in a few years. Turn signal lever, shifting lever and physical buttons will always win me over. Also, I drive 12 miles a day…….so no need for an EV.
Get yourself the Prius with the solar roof, it can give nearly 30 miles in perfect weather so you may never have to recharge it 😊
Great review and insights. Both vehicles are worthy of purchase.
A couple of thoughts for consideration. 1. Dependability of charging stations: as other videos show, many charging stations are slow to charge, or out of order. Ouch.
2. Resale value: look up the various blue books on facts on resale. Resale after five years or so.
3. Personal note: I’m a Mercedes owner, but I do note how many 10 to 20 year old Toyota Prius cars are still on the road. Very, very dependable. Perhaps Tesla’s are too. Best of luck,
Many Mercedes owners do buy a Tesla.
Many Golf R drivers have traded or cancelled their Golf R orders and bought the tesla. I did!
In 2044 that Prius will still be running
The 24 Prius Prime XSE Premium is my daily for hopefully a life time. Going to bag it and do cosmetic upgrades 😎
Prius is a great car but you don't see many 20 year old prius still around. Once that high voltage battery goes out its thousands of dollars and they are not worth much at that age. Teslas and hybrids are in the same boat of an eventual battery replacement or trip to the junk yard if it costs too much to do it.
@@darens440 They are estimated to get 200k-300k in a life time. I see 3rd gen Prius all the time, I won’t be using it for long rides or weekends so that’s totally 20years easily.
@@cuve_ae It's not so much the mileage as it is the time and needing to replace the expensive battery pack. In my market at least theres exactly 2 Prius from 2000-2005 for sale. If you set it to Camry theres 40 cars, 57 4 runners, 24 corollas. At some point every car is too expensive to fix vs its value and it gets junked out. You might have to spend $5k for a replacement hybrid battery once in its life at some point.
@@darens440 no doubt about the longevity of those other vehicles. Wyd think about the new 4Runners Im looking to grab one but am nervous about how long they’ll last specifically the hybrid option
I would say go with the Prius if you doing lots of road trip driving or even rideshare business, tesla is also great if you want a full ev experience and have a home/garage to charge at night!
Owning an Ev while living in appartment isn't always practical cause u will be spending more on charging and sometimes having that anxiety when you driving too far
If you live in an apartment and can't home charge, no point in buying the plugin Prius either, as it will literally never get plugged in. Just stick with regular hybrid kind and save money on the purchase price (and get better gas mileage).
@@ab-tf5fl I mostly agree, but if the Prime is sitting outside all day and you get the solar roof option, it will charge the battery. The solar roof option actually charges the battery will driving too. And the battery does get regenerative braking charging as well. But having a place to charge at home is best.
I would make the opposite argument. If you do a lot of long-distance driving, get the Model 3, because it will save you a lot of money on fuel costs. With the M3 LR, you get 250 KW DC fast charging to go from 10% to 80% in 27 minutes (274 miles), whereas the M3 standard range offers 170 KW DC fast charging to go from 10% to 80% in 25 minutes (223 miles). Either way, most people are ready to stop for 25 minutes after driving 200 miles. Of course, if you drive on routes that don't have Superchargers, you are better off with the Prius PHEV.
In Australia, charging at Tesla superchargers costs nearly as much per 100km range as filling up a Prius with petrol. 😢
I have the tesla model 3 and i love the prius looks like a freaking transformers so badass
How does maintenance costs compare ?
Never thought I’d call the Prius a sexy car. But wow what a change!
I have a 18 model 3 and a 17 Volt plug in hybrid. They are both great. Daily commute in the Volt is 20-30 miles daily so I can go months without having to buy gas. The biggest difference at the end of the day is my wife and I both love the Model 3 because of the technology integration into the phone app and the performance of the 2 cars isn't even close. The Volt feels like a model 3 in chill mode.😂
I drive my model Y in chill mode all the time. It will beat any stock car off the line.
I had a 2012 Volt and it had a Sport mode setting that made the car pretty quick. It’s what sold me on electric drive! Are you comparing the Tesla Model 3 acceleration to the Volt with the latter in Sport mode? Or do late model Volts not have Sport mode? Regardless, I only drive Teslas now.
@@Widdermaker My 2nd Gen Volt has a sport mode but it is not a big difference between normal mode. My model 3 is a dual motor that goes 0-60 in 4 seconds lol.
Your car is a phone app? Sorry 4 hours to charge is a deal breaker.
@@flouisbaileyot can't charge at all.. Look at Chicago 😂😂
what is insurance comparisons for these 2?
“…adds complexity…”
True. In January 2021, I started looking at replacing our aging Toyota. We’ve had Toyotas for decades, so of course, that make was top of the list. But I was keenly interested in something other than CE - either PHEV, hybrid or EV.
Thanks to many TH-cam videos, I went from knowing nothing about EVs et al to knowing some. Further research helped me make my final choice: Tesla Model 3 SR+.
I decided against the PHEV/hybrid choice because of one issue: complexity.
Not only do you have the EV power system, but there’s also the CE power train, and then the intermediary system that makes those two work together. 3 distinct and separate systems seemed overkill to me.
I’m happy to say 2 ½ years later, 39k miles of driving, I am very pleased with my choice!
Safe travels all.
This complexity argument is bogus. Toyota invented electrification of modern ICE cars with the introduction of their Synergy drive 20+ years ago. I had a 2004 Prius for 19 years and it was the best car I've ever had. In fact, if you were to buy a PHEV, Toyota PHEVs are the ones to get.
@@theexmann I’m really glad you have been satisfied with your choice.
I was merely sharing my process on how I came to the decision I did.
And, just like you, I’m very happy with my decision. (But I don’t have to resort to put downs in the process.)
Safe travels!
@@ezpoppy55 It's not a put down. It's an informed opinion about people using the complexity argument as a valid criticism of the Toyota PHEV technology, it's not.
@@theexmann “Bogus” is a put down. Full stop.
If you want to disagree, based on your personal experience, that’s fine.
People are allowed to differ - I have no problem with someone stating “My experience is different…”
But when someone has to start off with an insult, well..,
Safe travels.
@@theexmannyou nailed it. The people that say this are misrepresenting the truth. Many of the common failure points of traditional ICE cars are not on a hybrid.
Here's the way I see it, if you have an attached garage & you don't want a full on ICE vehicle then getting a full on EV only makes sense because you will have the ability to add a level two charger at minimal cost & 99.99% of your charging will be able to be done at home. However if you live in a situation where level 2 isn't an option or it's just too costly because you have a detached garage then a PHEV with good EV only range is the best option. Forget roadtripping for a moment because one of the biggest barriers even for everyday use of an EV is going to be found in inner cities like New York, DC, Philly, Chicago and alike because people either live in apartments, condos or homes with detached garages or street parking only. Also many of these neighborhoods don't have access to DC fast charging because it's just too far away.
The PHEV is more practical if you can easily charge it daily, and just as efficient as a full EV if you drive less than 40 miles a day.
Detached garages are the only way with an electric car.
There are a billion of Telsas parked on Los Angeles city streets every night. For those people charging is done when they get to half a battery and they seldom fully charge. Lots of charges in parking garages, streets, malls, parks, libraries, job sites, apt bluidings, etc. They just plan around it. Even access to 110 V outlet with charge a vehicle. Remember unless its a cab it is sitting idle most of the day and night.
@@cfldriven you notice I didn’t mention LA in the cities I listed & that’s for a reason, LA is in California & besides Colorado California is the most EV friendly state in the country. However even though California is the largest state by population, the Northeast Corridor is the most populated area of the country & as someone who lives in this area it’s just not that easy to find charging at those places and when you do good luck if they work. Also, they have done videos on how Brooklyn NY is void of fast chargers & that’s the largest burrow in NYC.
In Chicago where I’m from do you realize how difficult it is to even find a destination charger let alone a fast charger. The last time I looked it up on the Southside there were exactly three (two super chargers & one EA) and this is where 2/3 of the cities population lives. The simple fact is it’s not easy owning an EV in these cities unless you have home access.
@@kenyattaclay7666 Here some fun facts from Charge Hub,
The city of Chicago in Illinois, United States, has 880 public charging station ports (Level 2 and Level 3) within 15km. 86% of the ports are level 2 charging ports and 43% of the ports offer free charges for your electric car.
The city of Brooklyn in New York, United States, has 622 public charging station ports (Level 2 and Level 3) within 15km. 86% of the ports are level 2 charging ports and 44% of the ports offer free charges for your electric car.
The city of Los Angeles in California, États-Unis, has 4432 public charging station ports (Level 2 and Level 3) within 15km. 93% of the ports are level 2 charging ports and 12% of the ports offer free charges for your electric car.
For area size it seems Brooklyn has the advantage, although finding a parking spot in Brooklyn or my old hometown Chgo is PIA. I now live rural SE and there is growing number of EV chargers. After 4 yrs I decided to install a charger in the garage to save me the walk on winter days.
I'm curious, the "refresh" model 3 gets rid of the shifting stalk. I always thought the stalk was for redundancy. If the screen goes out, at least you can still drive it. With no stalk, if your screen goes out, now you are stranded?
The refresh model 3 has a “physical” PRND selector overhead where the map lights are
Most people don’t realize that one pedal driving uses slightly more energy than a lower level of re-gen breaking that allows the car to coast while still putting some energy into the battery. There’s no free lunch, if you put energy into the battery and then take it back out, there’s a slight efficiency loss compared to coasting. Some people for a long time have been aware of coasting with their gas cars, and when they see a traffic light change ahead, take there foot off the throttle and coast for a while before braking to a stop.
Regen captures only about a third of the energy. Better to coast and regen when braking.
Prius Vs Tesla; I have owned Prius; The last generation Prius. I drove over 250K miles over 7 years ( I put Liqui Molly oil "Germany Oil" ). The battery have a problem & end up donate it. I recently purchased Tesla 3 for months & drive over 2500 miles; it wonderful charge at home; long trip charge @ Tesla charger. we will see down the line.
The pro of the hybrid is that if they’re able to use half the batteries, and satisfy needs/winter range of a larger group of people then it will get many to drive “electric” within 40 miles round trip. Also, batteries hopefully will eventually be closed loop w recycling just the same. Demand may be better in US for hybrids in short term too. Lugging around the ice engine/headaches doesn’t sound great tho!
Headaches I'll give you. "Lugging around" though is a wash. You're equally lugging around 250 miles worth of extra batteries in the Tesla when you make a 40 mile trip. Which is heavier, the ICE/gas tank/transmission/etc, or the not-needed-on-that-trip battery cells? Actually, there's a real-world example. Kia makes the Niro, same body, in Hybrid, PHEV, and full BEV. And the full BEV comes in about 400 pounds heavier than the PHEV, even with a full gas tank.
@@MostlyHarmlessNebr-gb6di if you are comparing same type cars (not like this review, the Prius is a compact vs a sedan), like a Mazda6 vs the Tesla3, you'll find that the 6 is actually heavier !
@@marcgrondin65 I was going for a car that's the exact same chassis for an EV vs hybrid because there's a bajillion other variables. That said, a Tesla M3 *definitely* weighs more than a Mazda 6.
I just googled it and stand corrected, the Mazda6 is 3,556 lbs versus de Tesla3 at 3,582 lbs.
@@MostlyHarmlessNebr-gb6diexactly. This line is BS. Either way, on short trips you have "dead weight". That unused weight is there for its potential, that future longer trip you may take.
How does that huge glass roof the Tesla has work in sunny, hot climates, like the 115* Utah desert? Even with a car with a smaller sunroof and shade you could feel the heat radiating through.
This is reverse world. Accessibility via screen is NOT easier.On my my car I can adjust radio volume, cruise controls, wipers, lights and other devices without even looking. As natural as scratching your nose. Make no mistake, the elimination of physical buttons is done for cost savings and has been sold to customers as a flashy improvement. It simply isn’t.
I do not understand how netural they were when talking about minimalism. A car is a tool with safety standards, u NEED buttons and handles. No one should be fooled, Tesla is just cheaping out by making everything on a big screen, it's simplifying manufacturing and cost by making it less safe.
I love not having buttons I drive my husbands car and it is so annoying
Great review guys. I subscribed to your channel. I am an old guy but really appreciate your views.
The new version (Highland) of Model 3 is not just “minor tweaks” and style changes. That is a hugely redesigned and enhanced model for the same price! More silent, more efficient, better interior materials, etc. You really should have compared the Prius to the most recent version of Model 3! It is available here in Europe for a month already.
But the awful operator interface got even worse, with the deletion of the turn signal stalk.
@@kitgerhart8749to each their own. Many people love it.
Had a 2012 camry hybred, best car i had ever owned my granddaughter now drives it and loves it. No doubt Toyota makes a great product. But i now have a model three that I have put 40,000 miles on and its just incredible, way better than i expected. Took many long trips battery lasts way longer than my bladder or hunger can stand. Once drove it 4000 mi in six days. What more can i say?
Well done video! Where I am at now is if there was a hybrid with 100 miles Ev, that would be my sweet spot! And, although a fan of Tesla I feel they are going TOO drastic on the minimalist approach! Taking away the blinker stock has crossed the boundary!
Ah but it’s a thumb wheel that you move left or right. Easy to get used to.
@@PackFan-tv5pj Not if you are a Neanderthal.
Tesla wants the drivers to lose their muscle memory on conventional cars, and just rely on its autopilot.
Yeah. The cost cutting has gotten out of control at Tesla.
BTW does the new Toyota Pry-us Pry-me have a tow package? Mine did... set me back ~$200 + was _fairly_ easy to install. Works great!
I drive a Prius prime and I'm averaging about 5.3 miles per kilowatt hour. The range is more than enough for my daily commute and with the 9 gallon tank I still have just under 700 miles of range on a single refuel and charge.
For daily commuters I rarely see Teslas getting better than 3.5 mi per kilowatt hour, and a friend's model 3 (2017) is only getting around 2.1. if we're talking about drive train efficiency especially somewhere where electricity is very expensive, daily use is half the cost in a Prius.
No, my M3LR gets over 4 miles/kWh during actual driving conditions.
We've had our 24 Prime for two months now. I haven't bothered to monitor the Kwh per mile yet. But, we've driven close to 2,000Km (1,250'ish miles), and there's still a third of the dealers gas in the tank. Gas here is almost $7.00 a gallon but hydro is just .1325Kwh. So, naturally, we plug-in every night.
Even with still chill spring temperatures we're seeing 80Km (50 miles), on a charge. Enough for our daily needs at 1/3rd the cost for gas. Not many pumps in our future. BTW, this is our third Prius but first PHEV.
I realize you’re an EV ambassador, but man, the Toyota Prius is such a superior car. The experience and quality is so Toyota and so reliable.
How many gallons does the Prius gas tank hold? I do drive interstate and need to gas up quickly to make time. Possibly I can plug in at the hotel or dinner stop. What style is the Prius plug
Prius has approx 10 gallon tank. EV plug is J1772, which is not the same as Tesla plug.
Do Prius people get inline Costco to pump gas?
Do Tesla people with a dead battery go to Costco and see all the charging stalls are filled?
🤔 Do Tesla drivers mail $ to Trump directly or let Elon drive it there?
Good video. I did note that you said in the Prius B mode turns on regen. B mode _increases_ regen. Any time you lift the throttle, you get some regen**. Using the "brakes" also does regen, until the reben indicator bottoms out at which time the mechanical brakes are blended in*. Coming down from Pike's Peak I got 18 miles of regen, and like all hybrids and EVs got to skip the MANDATORY brake temperature test at the bottom. The mechanical brakes will last a very long time. I am sure that is also true of the Tesla and other EVs, HVs and PHEVs.
* When slowing to a stop, the mechanical brakes are blended in when the car is almost stopped. I am thinking at around 9 MPH to 0.
** As indicated by a guage on the dash.
We bought a 2024 Prime two months ago and expect the brakes to last for at least twelve years. This, based on our experience with the 2012 Prius C we traded in for the new car. The C had 125,000+ Km and though the front brakes were replaced at ten years, the rear shoes were still good. Amazing considering the C did not have Regen. brakes. We always used the B mode with the C. The new Prime has full Regen. brakes and we think they will last the life of the car.
Nearly 2,000 Km on the car and the first tank of gas is still not gone ! Important as gas here is around $7.00 per gallon.
I have a Toyota Camry LE Hybrid regenerative braking. Love it more than plug in hybrid. I get 50 mpg doing 80 mph in the summers. I love it.
What year? My ‘10 Prius never got that good at 80
I find it fascinating about peoples' desire for a huge glass roof. I think it helps sell the Teslas like sunroofs and moonroofs helped sell cars. But in all 45 years that been owning and riding in other peoples' vehicles, the sunroofs and moonroofs had their shades closed. I'm pretty sure it's due to the combination of increased noise and light. Regardless, for most people, glass roofs, sunroofs, and moonroofs are like gym memberships. You pay for it, and think thats what you want, but then you never use it or care for it.
@wlittleman, i really agree with your assessment on sunroof etc. Americans or consumers in general are such suckers for the image and idea that they’re buying. They’re not always in touch with their own reality: how they actually end up using item.
I use my moonroof all the time
Paint is an expensive part of car production, so when integrated into the design of a car, a (non-opening) glass roof may not be that much more expensive.
We keep ours closed when it's hot but keep it open when it's cool (we have an Ioniq 5 with one large pano sunroof, no support bar bisecting it). Keeping it open makes the car feel appreciably roomier, especially in the back (It's already pretty roomy). Since we have a lot of tall people in our family, it works out nicely.
In my brother's Tesla I don't notice the pano roof as much when sitting in the back - maybe it's the support bar that runs through the middle tricking my brain into thinking the roof is solid? And I think the tinting is darker on Teslas because you can't close the roof.
So to your point, I'm not sure how much of a selling point the sunroofs are on Teslas. But I agree with these guys, after driving my brother's Tesla for a while, their software, trip planning, auto unlock/start, charging experience, and charge network are reeeeeally nice. Once you get used to them, it feels clunky returning to other vehicles without them. 🥲
The Tesla has aged well and still looks modern overall. It's crashworthiness is proven as well. I just find the Prius to have higher quality in terms of build and a much more comfortable ride quality. Both cars are firm, it's not about firmness. I like firm. It's more absorption and damping is excellent in the Prius. Also, the 3 and Y feel kind of hollow and do have echos in the cabin. Maybe that's structural. Maybe it's been tamed in the "Highland," I don't know. One is BEV and the other is PHEV and PHEV can mimic BEV in some respects. Prius is newer and smaller inside for sure and I do like the convenience of a few strategically placed buttons. I use screens enough at work and in life so the novelty of using them has worn off on me.
I hate to sound so biased, but I just purchased the new Prius Prime and it’s the best overall vehicle I’ve ever owned. I have also owned an EV (ID4) and have rented others (Teslas). To me, there’s nothing that comes close to the Prius for under $70k. I know that many folks consider BEVs to be superior, but this Prius has me thinking that PHEVs are the better product. I’ve got my freedom back and my range feels limitless.
Side note: as a software engineer, the screens and perceived technologies in other brands aren’t really noteworthy to me; my laptop is fancier.
That ecco you hear is the glass top, sound bounces off that unlike a headliner.
Change the shutter speed on the camera to stop the led flickering
Prius for me always never have to worry to charge and cheaper battery
Hi max. Could you talk about how to drive in the snow and correct skids w one pedal driving? We have converted to all EVs but some you can’t turn off one pedal driving. Thanks.
Snow coverage will come this winter!
Turn off regen and drive like a regular car
I am considering these two cars, but one thing that would be helpful in making a decision would be the performance of both cars in cold weather. Since you are in Colorado, and many people live in climates that have a real winter, that comparison is very needed. Fair weather/ warm weather performance is fine, but cold weather seems to kill a lot (if not all) of the Tesla advantage. Would love to see you check that out. But, excellent review, thanks.
We got our 2024 Prime on March 20th when temperatures were hovering around 5 C. At first, we got about 60Km on a charge. Now, we've driven into May and the average daytime temperature is closer to 11 C. Yesterday, I drove 81.5 Km on battery only. In any event, we can motor on when the battery dies. Charging the battery here costs less than $ 2.00. But gas is almost $7.00 a gallon. We have traveled over 1,250 miles (2,000Km), on the first tank of gas and it's still not empty.
Physical turn signals is a MUST..!
We have both a phev and a EV. Both have pros and cons. Both are great around town. For road trips I like the phev.
Can anyone tell me in which area this video is filmed . The area looks so beautiful and clean 🙏
Same id like to know
@@Koderfacts found it finally 😀. This video was shot in "bucking horse apartments in fort collins, Colorado. I hope you find this info helpful
Nice find! @@anaskhan4
Great review. Your "situation" does matter a lot! If, like you say, you have easy at home charging and highway driving is more limited - the Model 3 (or any EV) is a good - even great - option. If, however, you aren't able to easily charge at home and/or need greater range, the Prius (either hybrid or Prime) is a great option (I actually prefer the simple Hybrid for it's less complex setup). We're living at that crossover time in history. IMO - and as a two -car family with one EV and one diesel (for the highway long hauls!) - I think we're still in the "early adopter" phase for EVs - and probably will be until both the infrastructure improves and charging time decrease - and/or EV range increases (our diesel drives all day without "fueling" concerns - 700+ miles - but something like 500+ would be great too). This is where solid state batteries can (hopefully, will) help on both fronts - charging speed and range!
Tip: "--" in the TH-cam comments section will put a line through everything u've written after it, only do 1 dash, have a wonderful day!!!;)🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤
@@LionheartLivin Thanks! I was wondering why that section was struck out!
Yes, Toyota has proven itself with quality control including PHEVs. The 2023 Prius Prime is the third gen version.
@@theexmann Tell that to my son who has a 2021 Rav4 Prime and last July he got a recall letter saying do not charge when the Temperature is less than 41F because of a DC-DC convertor fire issue. They said they would have a fix in 4th qtr and now its half way through 4th qtr and the dealer says they still haven't heard anything. He lives in New England and is getting below freezing now, thanks a lot Toyota.
Hybrids and Plugins Hybrids will always have yesterday's technology,BEVs and Teslas in particular are the future,Goodbye Gas.🛑⛽&🛢️
8:27 - Not sure I follow you there…? Driving on gas, it’s still a very-efficient hybrid, so you get exceptional MPG.
I’m not sure about these new Priuses, but my 2017 Prius Prime actually gets very-slightly-higher MPG than the 2017 regular Prius. That, mostly because it had more battery space to regenerate into, and its battery wasn’t much heavier.
There a good aftermarket driver display for around $300 that also gives your model 3 or Y Apple CarPlay 😊. For those who don’t like the screen n the center only.
Do you like running or power walking/speed walking?
I keep my cars a long time, like 20-30 years. The traction battery needing replacement at 10 yr/100k miles means the Prius is a much better value for me. Even if 10 years the Telsa will have very little resale as a replacement battery is not cost effective while a Prius battery replacement won't wipe out the value of the car.
I’m waiting for the day that Tesla owners begin complaining about the close of battery replacement.
We just got our 3rd Prius, but our first PHEV. Traded in a 12 year old Model C and got half of what we paid for it way back when. The tiny Traction Battery was still fine.
We're hoping the 13.6Kwh battery in the Prime lasts that long. Right now, our two month old Prime gives us 80Km (50 M)
, of range. It now has close to 2,000Km on it (over 1,200 Miles), and we still have a third of the first tank onboard. Perfect.
The first Prius was a boxy sedan. The wedge shape redesign was the 2nd version. I test drove the first Prius months before it went on sale in the US.
In Canada, due to crazy dealer markups, the dealers are charging $10,000 MORE for the Prius Prime than what the base Model 3 sells for. So the Tesla is way cheaper, and you don't have to wait 3 years to get one.
21:48 - “A lot of [hybrids] will try to capture some of that energy back into the battery”:
Remember that Priuses, unlike Teslas, perform “blended braking”: When you put on the brake, it will always do as much of the braking as it can via regeneration, then augment that with friction braking where needed.
Last I heard at least, Tesla brake pedals always directly drive the friction brakes, and the only way to get regenerative braking is lifting your foot off the accelerator.
In my Tesla I don't use the break pedal on most trips, but when I do, I use the same foot so I automatically lift the accelerator. When I let go of the brake pedal, the car still keeps doing full regenerative braking, which takes some getting used to. I think both motors do regenerative braking in my dual-motor Model 3.
Love the Tesla but it’s crazy to compare build quality and durability with the Prius
I've driven a plug-in Honda Clarity for 5 years now, and I love it! Mostly, I drive in EV mode; but, for road trips I use the HV mode (hybrid). If my e gets low, I hold the HV button down, and it immediately becomes a generator and starts charging the e battery. Unfortunately, Honda has discontinued the Clarity for lack of sales, and I am searching for an PHEV that is as efficient and comfortable as my Touring Clarity. I get between 50-60 miles on a full charge, depending upon my speed and weather conditions which require the use of auxiliary features (heat, a/c, wipers, etc.). I've never had one repair with this car, and it continues to take a full charge. I enjoy this car so much that I bought an extended basic warranty to keep the basics covered. My problem is that my primary concern is efficiency, and I'm not finding the new cars as good as my Clarity. Today I just learned that a PHEV Honda CR-V was introduced in Europe. After reading about this car, this is what I'd like to move to after my Clarity. Do you have any inside information on this new vehicle -- why it's not soon coming to the USA in addition to Europe, and will it be coming at all and when? I have to agree with your guests today in that there is a learning curve when moving from an ICE vehicle to a PHEV, but when you "get" the basics, wow, is it great! I'm 77, and had no problems learning to drive my Clarity, and when on a road trip with my daughter, only once after stopping to get my typical 3.5 gals of gas, she forgot to push the HV button (defaults to EV after turning it off). Seeing the EV gauge drop down shocked her, and she didn't make that mistake again. Most people really don't understand PHEVs and just think they're a hybrid car. This is the fact that's important to me: with a hybrid car, you have no choice to drive in all EV. With a plug-in, you have the choice. I go for long periods of time only driving in EV, and I have to remember to drive in HV once in awhile just to mix up the gas left in the 7 gallon tank from my last roadtrip. Most people won't take the initiative to learn something new, so Honda and other PHEV producers need to do a better job of educating the public to their virtues. Had they done this when the Clarity was on the market, their sales might have been better. By the way, I've, also, got solar panels on my house, so I charge up my car during the day on solar power, paying nothing to drive my car!
My father in law bought his first Prius when he and his wife were in their early eighties ! That has always impressed me (and others). He adapted to the technology rapidly and convinced us to consider buying one.
My wife is close to 60 now and I'm 65. We just got our third Prius two months ago. And this time we chose the PHEV Prime. So far, we have been able to run it (almost), strictly in EV Mode. After two full months there's still one third of the Dealer tank onboard and we have driven close to 2,000Km (1,250 miles).
The Honda Clarity was a great vehicle for sure. But take a look at the 5th Generation Prius Prime. Like your lamented Honda, you can use it as a full EV most of the time.
Cheers and happy motoring.
We ended up getting a M3 RWD in June and the new Prime SE in August. Both very nice cars but the M3 user interface and driving experience is better . It will be interesting to see how they age.
In 10 years the Prius will be worth more than the m3
@@MrKillerRCNot necessarily: I am the owner of a very long term kept Prius from 2005 bought new. At this point it has no market value but it is a still cheap reliable long highway commute vehicle.
Except Teslas from 2012-2014 all others if not abused might still serve well having the same old car issue - very low market value in a shell of a still usable car.
@@nevco8774 10-year-old Prius are still commanding $20k used. I doubt a used m3 will be that much in 10 years
@@MrKillerRC When my Prius was 10 years old I had to replace high voltage battery. Trade in value after battery replacement at dealership was 7000 USD. That is why I kept it.
u dont need stealer fix ur car shop around
@@nevco8774
The new Tesla model is the 3 plus “highland”. How does the new Prius stack up to the new Tesla model 3?
I have both a Camry hybrid and a Bolt EUV. A PHEV is better in most parts of the country, but here in California where DCFC is widely available I would get the an EV.
The Prime is still better than a full EV in California if you can charge it daily and drive less than 40 miles a day. I would get an EV if I also had a hybrid for road trips. A PHEV can do the job of both of those cars though.
@@theexmannThe Ev doesn't have the additional costs of smog checks, oil changes, ect so it can be a greater value. If you normally don't commute far then you wouldn't have to charge the EV as often as you would with a plug in.
A few years ago, My wife’s Prius was driven with 1 quart of oil in it (normally it would be 4 quarts)for nearly 6 months (not my fault). I was so convinced it needed a new engine I started shopping on EBay, and they were going for like $100.00( complete engine assembly…LOL).
Toyotas just don’t freakn break…which also adds to their incredible resale value
You are lying. No Prius engine would cost $100.
I like phev’s because they’re better for the environment and more versatile in that they just give you the best of both worlds.
Does a PHEV mean you have twice the maintenance with both an engine and EV motor?
It’s way more than twice. The gasoline engine drivetrain is what has all the maintenance. So you inherit the same maintenance of an ICE car….. because it is an ice car. The EV components shouldn’t require maintenance unless Toyota has bad engineers. There is more opportunity for failures of course, but the maintenance is all coming from the ICE side of the equation
We have owned the previous generation of Prius Prime (2021) and a 2010 Prius, and no, the maintenance is minimal. Toyota makes an excellent reliable product and the hybrid drive reduces the stress on the engine and brakes. For our 2010 Prius, we have needed NO major repairs outside of body work (minor accident). Just brakes, fluids, tires and annual servicing. We have 150,000kms (93,000 mi) of urban driving, so lower use, but still our main battery is good after 14 years.
I say either all EV or all Hybrid. I am a Tesla owner and love them!
Hi team. I'm from Australia, an electrical engineer, but not an EV owner yet but interested. Like in these comments regarding rural America Australian driving distances outside cities can and are significant. I firmly believe a PHEV is ideal particularly given our public infrastructure is no way near where it needs to be. One thing to note as a risk for Australia is that we have strict mobile phone and driving laws. One challenge with cars like Tesla will be to put ALL functionality onto a screen which could potentially be illegal if Tesla goes too far, such as eliminating a turn indication stock for a distractive computer screen where drivers take their eyes off the road.
Nice to see the power increase on the Prius, the best thing about BEVs is really the instant power and driving dynamics... I can see these working for a lot of people especially those that don't give a damn about any power differences.
It would be nice to see Prius go away, and the CEO of Toyota get his finger out of his butt and start making great electric cars! This idiot spent more money wasted more money on stupid hydrogen cars hydrogen cars are ridiculous and this is what the CEO thought was a solution. What an idiot!
While the driving power is awesome, the thing I like about my Tesla is the savings and also never having to stop at a gas station.
What is the wind resistance of the Prius? The Tesla is .23
Drag coefficient
2024 - 0.27
My XLE came with a glass roof and 12" monitor , mud flaps , all weather floormats , heated seats , andriod auto and apple carplay w/youtube and gets 50mpg !!! "I mash" lol so i cant get 60mpg like some say is possible . "I love my Prius"
Several things to add. Just picked up our Prius Prime XSE Premium yesterday on 8/17/24. Had been on an allocation/order list with our dealer here in Texas since April 2023. The recent safety recall on the Prius over the door issue was a further point of delay but the car we received was a build date of July 2024. I had been checking with different dealers on availability. One of the dealers I was working with and thought I’d located a vehicle didn’t bother inform me of their $5000 in “market adjustments and dealer add ons” until they sent me paperwork for price approval. After a brief and spirited “discussion” I told them to take a hike. My current dealer (where we made our purchase) did not add on any type adjustment and actually tinted our windows and installed door edge guards for free. When I told our salesman about the market adjustment he actually laughed. One thing that could be now in favor of the Prius Prime is Elon having kind of gone crazy in the minds of many including current Tesla owners. Tesla sales have been taking a hit recently since this video was made. I was actually looking at the Model 3 as a possibility last year but after recent events I changed my mind to go back with another Toyota. As far as holding value is concerned we had been driving a 2019 Prius LE. We purchased that car new for $26500. Yesterday I sold the car to Carmax for $19000 cash. I consider that as excellent return on a 5 1/2 year old car. That being said the dealer offered $14000 trade. Even with the sales tax difference on trade I still came out ahead with $5k additional in cash. Lesson here, if you’re going to “trade” shoo your options. Waiting to have our level 2 charger installed because it did take 10.5 hours to charge the battery off the household charger that’s included. The time savings is worth the expense to me. I work from home and my wife will be using the car for back and forth to work. That being said, based on our driving habits we should only need to use gas on extended trips and daily use should be almost 100% electric.
A Toyota dealer in Colorado is offering $2.4K off MSRP on a new Prime XSE.
After 2 Model 3 ( SR and Dual ) and an Audi Q4 ETron, I now drive the new Prius.......... im mostly always in EV and it's much cheaper and has more luxury stuff than my Audi ( except the amazing Matrix LED ) Fast charging now in Quebec is more expensive than putting regular gaz in the prius on road trip.............
The full EV mode of the Toyota is really cool but for urban setting where people don't have garages with overnight access to plugs the self charging configuration via the engine would be more convenient. 4 hours at a plug in is long if you are reliant on charge stations and don't have ready access to them at work. Aren't people who own homes/garages less likely to have these as they don't need to save on gas as much as people who don't have garages?
If you’re “self” charging with the gas engine you shouldn’t be driving a plug in hybrid. It’s inefficient. The traditional hybrid Prius would be a better fit.
Good Job comparing. I think you failed to mention upkeep as a primary reason for customers to go with Tesla Model 3 vs the Toyota Prius Hybrid. For me this upkeep reason I went with Tesla
Another point people forget are high insurance costs - they can highly fluctuate though depending on location or other factors. But from a pure cost perspective its hard to beat a Tesla for now.
Toyota pays for all the maintenance for the first 2 years. Toyota also have the best quality control of any car company. Tesla's are known to have terrible quality control issues by comparison. And don't thy go threw tires and brakes much faster than most cars? Their batteries also degrade significantly in the first few years.
A Prius is quite good cost per mile. Toyota is reliable (of course this is a new model so time will tell). In terms of insurance, the UK is experiencing increase in insurance on every type of car, but for many, EV car insurance has gone up. The cost to repair one is a lot, especially a Tesla. There was a recent EV exhibition in the excel centre in London and that was me speaking to an EV insurance company. However prices may go down when more people own EV's according to that staff member.
Good luck replacing the tesla battery for only $50k LMAO
5 years ago it made sense for me to buy my used 2015 Volt, which is paid off, still works for my commute on electric, and is way too cheap to get rid of. But I would only buy another plug in hybrid at this point if I didn't have home charging.
Great review of both cars. I previously drove a Volvo XC90 Recharge PHEV for 9 months before buying a Model 3 Long Range three months ago. The Volvo was a great car and I charged it every night, but it only had 28-30 miles of EV only range. That was enough range for weekend driving around town but pretty useless Monday through Friday. Therefore the Tesla M3 was the better fit for me. Tennessee has very low electricity rates (12 cents per KWh) so I essentially max out the fuel savings compared to gasoline ICE vehicles. The M3 is perfect for us “empty nesters” and we will be road tripping long distance soon. Well done guys.
We have 2 EVS and a PHEV in our family. The PHEV only gets us 17 miles of all electric range, but that's still good enough to routinely get us 700 miles per fill up, sometimes 800 miles. And this is on a tiny 9.75 gallon tank.
The key with PHEVs is your driving pattern. If you're doing a lot of short trips, where you can do 75% of your driving just on the battery, you can really get great results. If you're constantly doing 100 mile trips, yeah, the longer you drive, the more the battery becomes useless. The average US driver does 40 miles per day, so PHEVs definitely have their place, especially if you live in an apartment and don't have consistent access to an L2 charger.
good luck on road tripping - where you'll end up charging for many hours.
Thanks for the good review. I enjoyed it.
Really though, making a distinction betweeen having to press one start button and a superior/inferior feature is pretty lame. Like it's so minor it doesn't even register as a nitpick.
In fact, for some/many having the power on/off is a benefit. Simply taking things away doesn't make something better. Like a display in front of the driver. Just because you can possibly go without the driver display doesn't mean it's better to leave it out.
Looks like the time is about to start when BEVs would be cheaper to purchase than anything with internal combustion engine without incentives.
Toyota has over $150 billion in debt (yes, billion). If they were to price their cars to actually make a profit then your statement would definitely be true.
I owned a 2017 Prius Prime (the first year it came out). I really liked this car and it turned out to be a great transition to a BEV. I now drive a 2023 Tesla M3LR and LOVE it! Interestingly, the 2017 Prime had a heat pump, which Tesla didn't put in the Model 3 until late 2022! With the Prime, I was able to do a lot of city driving in EV mode, even with the smaller battery than the current Prius. I learned that 120V charging (Level 1) would be adequate if I had a larger battery, since I averaged less than 30 miles a day. With the Tesla, I still use L1 charging and it's fully adequate until I go on a roadtrip.
The seating position in the rear seat of the M3 is not good. It's better on the Prius. Look at the guys legs when he's in the back seat. His knees are pointing up much higher than on the Prius. The total range on the Prius is about 600+ miles fully fueled and charged. The Tesla looks dated compared to the new Prius too.
I’m all for the Prius! How much for the battery replacement?
I was making this comparison for myself. I had to turn away from Prius because of the horrible availability and dealership model, that's really just the one thing kneecapping Toyota here. Prius makes more sense from a cost to own perspective, but I had to go to Tesla for the actual ability to buy and at MSRP--in contrast Prius was a long waitlist and huge dealer markup bringing it to the cost of the Model Y. Between the Prius and Y it was pretty obvious what to pick, I went with it for the additional utility which is very useful for me.
I never thought I would say this, but the Prius looks nice
I think good part that you guys missed out on in this video that you save tons of money when it comes to Maintenance on Tesla whereas because Prius is a hybrid so there is still an engine and it would require regular maintenance .
You would need to add how many miles are expected to be driven in a day on average for that comparison to be worthwhile. If you are driving 100 miles per day on average there’s no advantage for the hybrid. Most people drive less than that.
Can you pls tell me the color of this prius
Looks like Guardian Gray
I'll definitely go for a Prius a million times before I go to a full EV, it's simply better! (Yes, is better) none of the range anxiety, none of the hassle to charge it at home, or find a fast charger around time...
Sounds like you never had the Tesla experience. I travel over 600 miles a few times a year. Range anxiety was never an issue. Enter in your destination, charge at the recommended chargers that it preplans for you. Done. Daily use, I plug it in when I come home from work. Easy.
Charging at home is no hassle. Takes seconds to plug in. My 5 and 8 year argue over who's turn it is to do it. You can't fast charge a plug in hybrid at DC fast charge stations.
For me Tesla is the clear winner. Additional questions would be which is less expensive to insure and costs for replacing tires?
Love my Tesla Model 3 RWD. I had a 2023 Prius Prime on order earlier in the year, but could not get a firm delivery date. Having had 3 previous Prii, I was actually ready for a full EV anyway and I surely have no regrets. I have the LFP battery with 272 miles of range which is more than enough for my 2x per week, 120 mile round-trip drives to Chicago and back. I’ve got 240v charging in my garage, so never need to stop at a gas station unless I want one of those rotisserie hot dogs.
That shit will kill
Thanks . My insurance just went up twice , any tips
@@nancywheeler8359yes, vote red next time!
How many times can you make comments about build quality regarding the Tesla? How about talking about recalls and the cost of maintenance for Toyota (100% higher for Toyota)? I have a Model Y with 42k miles… tires and windshield wiper fluid are my only expenses. How many oil changes would you pay for the Toyota?
let that sink in😮. new model 3 highland at the same price is a bargain
B MODE is used to preserve breaks when going downhill, it is not used to increase regenerative breaking... Driving in B mode in normal conditions is not recommended..
PHEV is the best option right now. No range anxiety for long trips (use gas or use onboard generator to recharge), no waiting, no overpaying the electricity at charging stations. Smaller battery takes way less time to charge. If the gas price is around $3 a gallon, the cost is way less than paying $.40/KW depends on your MPGe and the curb weight of your car. If you have a F150 Lightening you will be using a lot more juice than a Model 3 or Ioniq 5. For daily 60 miles or less commute, you are not buying gas anyway. PHEVs cost less for insurance and repair. In general the initial price of the car is less with the exception of Model 3 lately because of the price cuts, but can’t use Android auto or Apple CarPlay with Tesla. If you use the EV mode all the time with PHEV, your maintenance cost is about the same as a full EV, almost nothing.
Did you pop out of the woodwork from circa 2010?
Except the Prius is a turtle compared to the tesla. For the same price it’s not worth it.
If you are driving a Tesla, you will almost never have to wait at a charging station and charging is very easy and convenient. If using a CCS car (i.e. non-Tesla), it is a crap shoot how well DC fast charging will work and dealing with different apps for each charging network is definitely not convenient.
You usually save money with long distance trips in a Model 3 compared to an ICE vehicle, but the Prius is so fuel efficient that they end up costing about the same. To go 300 miles in the M3SR consumes 63.4 kWh, which would cost $19.02 at Superchargers charging $0.30 per kWh. (Tesla Superchargers typically charge between $0.25 and $0.36 per kWh.) The same 300 mile trip in a Prius would consume 5.36 gallons of gasoline, which at $3.50 per gallon would cost $18.75.
Prius Prime is the way, U can camp anywhere , no worry much electric or gas . Plus range anxiety when travelling long distance. Model 3 is good for local drive not to go mountains or Alaska Highway .
$3per gallon but 40 cents per kwh? What are you smoking
full size spare tire for both???
Toyota for sure 👍👍 Thanks
Excellent work! Great comparison
Prius all day. That car will still be going strong in 20 years
Hybrids needs more maintenance, oil changes, routine maintenance, transmission, and pumps gas
This channel WILL explode.. great content!