Do you need to cure your soy candles? Is it BS or not?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2024
- I run a test on three different soy candles, burned at different dates to determine if curing makes a difference.
I burned one after 24 hours, five days and two weeks and the results are in!
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lol he is!!! I started my business in 08 but stopped but moved to get back into it this year and he's been helping me so much with getting back in the groove!
So right stand key spot on ? Based on tones of tests done new in this field I get great cold throw when low temperature and my soy wax s16 gets the smooth feeling on top better when pouring lower temp o go 43-45 which is 113 farenheight
Been practicing the "lower the better " method for everything adding the FO , pouring, etc. when the majority of the candle community and companies been preaching all these ridiculous high temps for all phases of candle making. I always had problems at higher temps of hot throw, frosting etc. ...UNTIL I started lowering the temps, I swear at this point its a conspiracy to guard a secret and keep people from making candles lol
swiftbear Lol I thought the same thing! It just makes sense that you’d want to add at much lower temps
I kindda suspected the 2 week cure time was BS too, but never got around to test that so thanks for posting this video. I can't believe there is so much misinformation out there about candle making.
I agree with you. Candlewic guy gave me bad advice after I purchased wax from him
swiftbear I’m having the exact same problem , I rang my supplier and asked for advice they told me to burn to 75c , add fo in at 70c then pour at 65 😩 I have no smell what’s so ever . I’m using eco soy Q210 . Any suggestions will be really appreciated 🙏🏼
I agree, all the candles I've made following standleys methods have came out great.super glad I found this guy 😎
Five years later in this video is still helping candlemakers. Thank you so much!
You’re welcome. I’m glad it’s still helping.
Nice video. I spoke with a buddy of mine he has a master degree in Chemistry. He doesn't believe there's any point of curing a candle. in his words: " I don't think there is some chemical binding between the fragrance oils and wax, there is no covalent bond being formed, it is only present homogeneously in the solution, and then a physical process occurs (wax hardening). So in my opinion (without doing any research on the subject), there is no impact by letting the wax cure. Therefore, I don't think you need to do the curing step for 2 weeks."
Edward Yen Thank you! That was my exact though on this subject.
I hate to drag chemists, but I'm not sure chemists really understand the mechanism at play for these sorts of things and how they impact the organoleptic (smell) qualities of solutions like these. I've heard similar stories from chemists regarding curing of perfume oil blends and also the curing of recently-distilled essential oils. The chemists don't seem to recognize or believe any chemical process that would impact organoleptics, but almost any perfumer will swear by it. As someone who designs fragrances myself, I know that curing a oil/diluent mixture after dilution totally has an impact, especially in the way top/middle/base notes are projected. Chemically no new bonds might be forming, but physically, there seems to be *something* that is happening that affects its smell.
@@MrBenkyoushimashou I'm confused about how you're differentiating chemically to physically?
No there's no molecular restructuring/bonding going on with "curing" a candle. But apparently letting them sit for a few days allows the still liquid fragrance oils to "more evenly disperse throughout the wax" - quoted from a different maker from a video i watched 10 minites ago. I dont really see how that would work either, seeing as the liquid fragrance molecules are trapped within their solidified continuous. If they were to disperse via time curing, wouldn't it just sink? So confusing.
I'd also like to add that blending fragrances and allowing those to sit is a different thing than homoginising an already made fragrance within a solid continuous. But I do agree with you in that my signature perfume, which I blend using essential oils, absolutely "matures" with age and needs to sit for a few weeks to reach it's true identity. When it's fresh, it's crisp with definitive layers. After a few weeks the scent comes together and pretty much becomes it's own smell. That I cannot explain!
So weird!
i have tried that method and all the candles had the same effect of being heavy frosted, indented and sweat. I like adding my fragrance at 160 and pour at 140 i get smooth top every time.
You can use a hair dryer or heat gun to fix the tops ☺️
Thank you for this comment! I’ve been trying to get down the right temperatures and still haven’t quite mastered it. The top always caves a little bit. I’m gonna try this!
Be sure to stir one last time just before pouring, smooth tops everytime
Some fragrances do need a cure time to fully bond with the wax for a good cold throw especially. It also depends on the brand of soy wax. I let my candles cure for a week and I most definitely notice a difference with the cold scent throw. Hot scent throw is the same either way in my experience too. I do use a different brand than you do though. And I always stir for 2 minutes to ensure a good bonding to begin with.
JiasJewels I would agree for the most part, I’m still testing different fragrances to see which ones work this low.
@@StandleyHandcrafted wher me can i get premier 745 wicks?
@@fancymonroe9231 american candle supply has them!
Man seeing the GaryVee book in the background makes your whole make sense! I've thought to myself many times "This guy is amazing, he's really just giving away all the best advice" it's nice to see someone actually following Gary's rules for business, you've certainly got a viewer for life with me!
Thank you so much and I love Garyvee!!
I am really enjoying your videos, I have been curing my 464 FOREVER and I m glad to see it is not necessary.
mamber1974 I used to give them two weeks and never thought it did much. I had to test this finally. Lol
I just tried out two candles, one I poured with hot temp and the other low. Both with 8% of fragrance oil. I feel the candle with lower temp of oil added is stronger. Thanks for this video!!
Thank you for this! I made my first batch of candles last weekend & added the fragrance at 180 like everything I researched told me to do....and yea...my house smelled great all night, but the candles were boo boo when I went to burn them! 😂 Lesson learned! Subscribing to your channel now! Thanks!
Amber Sepulvado That’s awesome and thank you!
Hi! What a relief to hear about pouring at low temperatures. I've been taught this way but then I've seen many videos from USA or European candle makers and many of them pour the oils at 180degrees. So, at the beginning I thought it had to do with different type of raw materials, different soy wax. Anyway, it's all about testing. Hi from argentina!
I'm brand new to candle making. Your videos have been so informative and helpful. Keep doing what you're doing 🤗
I haven’t watched yet but I am so excited for this video!
Edit: I have had the same experience with my candles!! I usually let them cure for 48 hours-likely out of superstition-and I don’t notice any difference letting them cure for longer.
If you take requests, I would love to see a video on shipping. I have not yet sold my candles online because I have anxiety over candles breaking in the mail.
Great video as always!
:)
When you cure are you supposed to leave it open are can you close the candle
I make hot process soap and I'm starting to make candles. For hot process soap, I always add my fragrance around 140F to prevent burnoff. You can tell when a fragrance is burning off because you'll smell it a lot in the air. For candles, I don't see why this would be any different. I'll do testing, but I'm likely to stick to adding fragrance to my soy candles at 140F or less as well. Adding fragrance at 160F or higher sounds like a waste to me as I've always had burnoff at those temperatures in my soap.
LollygagSmith That’s exactly why I started to add the oil at much lower temps
Thank you Standley Handcrafted.The instructions for the soy wax I bought tells me to melt the wax at 200 deg F and add fragrance oil at this temperature.The pouring temp.recommended was 190 deg F.I made my first candle.I can smell the scent but can't really tell if the scent would be strong if the fragrance was added at lower temp.I would try adding fragrance at lower temp.and see the difference.Thank you Standley once again.You are absolutely amazing.
Thank you so much for doing this for us! I use 464 and was so confused with all of it this helps me so much! :)
Thank you for watching, I'm glad it helped. :)
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Thank you for the excellent advice! It makes so much sense! I'm testing 2 candles now and they have very strong hot throw after 1.5 hours of burning and 30 hours after making them. They also don't have sink holes and I poured them with no special insulating props. With the old technique, the hotter one, I also had the fragrance sink to the bottom. I'm going to apply this advice to soap making as well. Thank you so much!
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*realizes it's 420*
"So it's 4:20, man"
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I always leave my soy wax till it's nearly cloudy before adding my oils I find it makes a much better candle but that's my opinion X I have now also gone to flat wicks
I have found some scents do benefit from a cure time - not in terms of hot throw but in cold throw - which is what can initially sell a candle. For example Frost and Snowdrops from NG does develop a stronger cold throw if left for a week but its hot throw is the same at anytime. When I first added to the range it didn't sell, but after a couple of weeks, people could then smell it and it sold.
Soy and Shea I get a nice cold throw after I add the lids. Usually a day or so it really comes out.
What is cold throw please
GirlyCurlyFries 101 the scent of the candle before it’s burned. Hot throw is the scent while burning.
I learned more about candle making then just curing time length.
I use 464 and melt to 180, mix in my fragrance and color right away, stir for 2 minutes and pour. I have very smooth tops then. And great scent throw with almost all fragrances. I only use a 6% load so I don’t get sweating on top. I think you can overload candles with fragrance oils. I have found some scents do get stronger after time though it does depend on the fragrance.
Totally agree , I have the best scent throw at low temps
Great video. I've found that the cold throw seems to get better with longer cure time. I will definitely test adding at the lower temp. Thanks again...appreciated😊
8/12/18 was my 40th birthday so I am sure that one was the best of the bunch!
I use soy 464(currently) & I add my fragrance at around 165-170, whisk for a full 2 mins, & pour into my vessel at 125. I’ve gotten a perfect candle each time & no tunneling(when I was using para 6006) thank you for sharing your tips, I love seeing ideas & methods from different candle creators.
I’m gonna create a candle today using your method, to see what I get. I’ll come back with a review in a week.
I allowed a 2 day cure & it was still amazing!
Can you do a wood wick vs cotton wick video? Thanks
Absolutely, thank you for the suggestion!
Yes please, I'm still new to this and wonder about wooden wicks
@@StandleyHandcrafted i too have been debating whether or not to use wood wicks in my candles using 6006 so a video on wood wicks vs cotton wicks would really be helpful
Crip2Knyght Thank you! I’ll be making one soon. 🙂
@@StandleyHandcrafted thank you looking forward to watching it
When he said "it's 420, that's funny all on its own.." I had to like and subscribe
Wanted to say thank you for all the great videos and advice!
Donna McCarron You’re welcome and thank you!
Lol this is awesome my first batch I made I was going from memory and accidentally added the oil at 135 and the ht is amazing, been wondering about the 180-185 ever since. I did cure for about 10 days but will start testing sooner. So glad I don't have to wait as long 🤗
Hey Stanley I have found your channel very helpful over the years and I appreciate all the effort you put in to put it 😊this information.
I use 464 and have noticed that with a longer cure my scent changes and I can smell the blend of fragrances better. I have an earl grey and apple blend and at first I can smell the apple but after two weeks it changes and I can smell the tea in it. Have you noticed anything like that?
I'm so impatient ahh! Made my first soy wax candle with 12% essential oils 36 hours ago. I really want to light it but really want a good throw. I'm unsure of what to do. Smells really good cold but dont want to screw myself over for what it could smell like. I used 4 different scents.
4 scents 😮
Why do you have to heat it to 180 first, as it has already melted totally when it’s about 120
Thanks I've been watching your videos for about a week and my daughters and I are going to make our first candle. Thanks so much your videos are awesome
Thankyou and good luck with the first one! :)
Thanks for this video. I've been adding at the recommended 185° with 464. I am definitely gonna try 130-110°. Will post my results🙂
Hi!! I just came across your post, do you mind me asking what your results were? (If you remember)
I'm so glad you did this video. It trumped the myths I heard about allowing it to cure for 1-2weeks. Thanks 👍🏽
I just made my first test candle and let it cool til about 130-140. 8oz jar with about 3 drops per ounce of FO. Thank you for your video
I just want to say thank you. I’m a beginner. Best video I’ve seen.
When I first starting making candles I didn’t even know what curing was so of course I never did it. I think the longest I’ve ever cured was a couple of days, noticed no difference so I don’t really cure longer than a day or 2
You always provide great content, Jeff! Thank you!
With Soy wax is the F.O percentage not to be over 10%?
Thank goodness. Somebody says this. I always wait until my wax temp is down to 55c to 60c.
Yes i got my answer 2 to 3 days curing... add fragrance at 160 temp...sweet deal.🖒
Very helpful video. Thanks so much. I’ve been having issues with sink holes and enjoyed your video on that as well. I have been adding my oil to wax when it is way too hot. I appreciate you explaining why things work the way they do instead of just assuming we know. Subscribed!
Your videos is ALWAYS informative. Thank you so much for your candle wisdom Standley 💕
Very interesting! Thank you for sharing your testing and knowledge. Very much appreciated. 👍😃
Omg thank you for this. This is going to save me soo much time. 🙏🏾
Thanks very much!! saves a ton of time! (im making essential oil soy candles and had a varied result with my candle scents, so this video really helps!)
I love how detailed and helpful your videos are. Thank youa
Thank you so much, I am glad they're helping people.
Thank you made my first soy candle today. This was helpful. Thank you .
Great video as usual! Thank you, can't wait to get my first order of supplies to start experimenting again.
I add the fragrance lower temperature I get very good results too
When I did as per candle science say I didn’t get a candle w strong scent
So definitely I agree to get a stronger scent when I add the fragrance lower temperature
Totally agree w u
Your videos are extremely helpful
Thank you do much, I am glad they're helping
You did all the problem shooting for us lol
Very informative...as always! ❤️
Thank you for the video! This was exactly what I was looking for. Very helpful and informative. :)
Great video! Thanks for the test.... i am new to candle making and burned one after two days.... it smelled great but needed a. Larger candle for the room i had it in.
Thank you for this video. I've just started out making my own candles for myself, great information 😊
Another excellent video, helping to narrow down the process.
Need to make a Cheech and Chong scented candle...... top notes...dirty bandana, mid notes.... oily beard.... bottom notes...... WEEEEEEDDDDDDD !!!!!!..........LOL
Awesome video I'm just starting out and this video was very helpful. I've just subscribed to your channel
I just found your channel and stumbled on this video first. I then watched your Intro video on your channel and just a heads up but you instructions on your intro video is exactly opposite of this. I know we all learn as we go but you should know that these videos conflict right now. In your intro video you say to pour the oil as hot as possible in order to get the most binding. I'm wondering if that's really true because I don't think oil and wax actually do any binding (molecularly). Anyway, I'm following the advice on this video and wanted to give you a heads up on the intro. Great channel btw!
Thank you for dispelling this!
Soooo helpful. My adventures are beginning tonight.
Thanks for the great information. Why do you heat the wax so high, then let it cool? Why not just heat to 112, then add FO? I have a 100 lb. tank. Can I just set it around 120 degrees to melt the 464 wax? Thanks, again, for the great information.
Yes absolutely. When I heat 2-3lbs at at a time it just happens to get that hot by the time all the wax melts. You don't actually need to go that high if you can avoid it.
Exactly! I totally agree, I feel that you waist precious time waiting for wax to cool unnecessarily.
I absolutely love this video info ❤ thanks for sharing ❤ now I wonder what room temperature should it be I was testing with this wax during the winter and my candles went all wrong and I felt completely frustrated 😢 I'm going to use all this information for the future actually for this weekend that I'm going to be testing. Thanks 🙏
This is amazing. THANK YOU!
Thank you :)
Thank you so much for this video. Very helpful for me.
Hello your info is so helpful. Do you always test in the bathroom? I test mine in the living room and they do not fill the room my espectectations are high lol
Hi! Thanks so much for your video! I have a question, if you’re doing this method do you have to heat the wax all the way to 185° and let it drop or can you heat until it’s fully melted and then let it cool until 110° to add the FO?
Absolutely right . thanks for confirming it ....
Thank god it doesn't make much of a difference, I made my first ever batch of scented soy candles yesterday (a little over 24 hours ago) and I can't wait to try them
You a chap my bro u must thank u alot for all you help an information
Great video as always. Very informative. 👍🏻
Debra Pouliot Thank you!
Great video! I think one of the best I have watched for soy wax!!
Question on your opinion to get a great hot throw. How many ounces of scent should I add on 8 ounces of wax, and 10 ounces of wax.
Keep up the great channel and information!!!
Have you tried this test on other waxes like the blend you mentioned in other videos? Great video. Answered alot of my questions. I am looking to try vanilla and/or rose oil. I am using essential oils does this change the amount of oil needed per pound?thank you
No it would be about the same. Essential oils don't work as well but it would be the same.
this is such a great video! A lot of questions I had were answered. Thanks for being so clear. I tried to mix my fragrance around 118-120 degrees . Waited about 24 hours and it had a decent scent throw. I could smell it in my bathroom but wish it was a bit stronger. I added 1 oz of soy friendly CS fragrance to 1lb of 464 soy wax. I am definitely going to try at least 1.5oz of fragrance to a 1lb of wax.. do you think adding 1.8oz of fragrance is too much?
Yes. 10% is max amount
Great informative video Jeff!
Thank you so much for this video! I have been using 464 for a couple months now and have not yet got a good throw from my candles 😣 I am going to try these temperatures and see how I go 😊
I would love to hear how it goes for you.
Did you try with two or more wicks? That makes your candles hotter with strongest throw. Sorry for my English, I'm from Argentina.
Mio Sustentable I have only done the test with this set up so far. This jar won’t take two wicks.
I wonder if you feel that way about coconut soy blends? What about beeswax? I even have some parrafin I was given, and am curious how you feel about parrafin curing.
Since the hot throw wasn't that great on these candles doesn’t that kinda counteract adding the fragrance oil at such a low temperature ... i was hoping for a “wow the throw is amazing on these ..!”
kate Asker-Browne The hot throw was very good on these. I didn’t go into detail on this video because this one was focused on cure times between the three. I do mention the last two candles throwing clear into the hallway which is very good for soy. I get much stronger hot throws when adding oils lower.
Standley Handcrafted ooh okay thats great then , i will give this a try today and see how it goes 👌😊
I use a 6-7% fragrance
Thank you for the video. This has worked great for me!
TEONNIE MITCHELL thank you. 🙂
Great video! How long should the candles be stored before selling to the customers. For example, can I make the candles a week in advance before I sell them?
Hi Jeff, can you make a video on wood wicks for candle making, like how to determine the right wicks? Thanks :o)
coupon_rican_diva Absolutely, I’ve been wanting to put one together
Thank you Jeff. I knew I could count on you😍🙌💯
coupon_rican_diva 😁
I'm guessing 7 to 10 days should be okay then I use 464
I liked the cooler method until I started having MAJOR issues with pooling. It wouldn't usually show up right away. It would usually take a day or two before the seepage started but it became a huge problem so I had to raise the temp. I add fo at 180 and pour between 140 - 150. I figure I'd rather have less scent throw than a wet-top candle. How embarrassing.
What oil percentage were you using? I never ran into that problem when I used the low temp method.
Thank you for sharing. When is the best time to fix sink holes with a heatgun is it after 24 hrs when the wax is completely solidified or after the 3 days curing time?
Do you experience less wet spots when pouring cooler? Ppl always comment on them, I'm ready to switch to paraffin. Thanks for doing this, so good to know.
Kellie Borriello You should definitely get fewer wet spots when pouring at lower temperatures. They’re due to the wax shrinking as it cools. 🙂
Which is the best wax for making candles
Do you or have you ever put the lid on your candles as soon as you have poured? Or perhaps after some clouding and slight adhesion? If so; what was the result?
Thanks for all of your videos. Very informative and well produced 👍🏼
Thank you for your help!
Hi Stanley! ur video was really help but im still confused... i have started making candles and im using soy wax.. i want to give the candles to my family/friends so how long should i let them cure before giving it away... my candles was harden in few hours and i can smell them but should i light them now or wait for few days or a week to let them cure... OR can i tell my family/friends not to lighten the candles for a week? which one do you recommend for me? THANKS.
hi! youre the first one i see talking about adding 12%, i’ve seen most people talking about 6%. i’m kind of curious about why.
Im also curious too because i thought 10% was the highest to not prevent sweating
Different waxes can take higher /lower fragrance load amounts - typically between 7-12%. You need to check what the amount is for the specific type of fragrance you are using ;)
Hey, Jeff, can you do a video or talk about adding botanicals to a candle. I was advised not to because it would "choke the wick". Is there anything that I can do to prevent choking the wick. I wouldn't add a lot of botanicals but want to for certain purposes. I would be using the paraffin/soy wax. I am a new candle maker. Thanks so much for your videos. They are so helpful.
Have you cured candles in the freezer? Does that help the candle last longer? What about sprinkling salt on the candles immediately after pouring?
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Thank you for this great tip. But how do we know which scents are pro-soy wax ? There are hundreds of them.
Stanley how do you blend dry flower with Soy wax?
Hi Stan. Love watching your videos! They’ve been very helpful as I am new to candle making. Can I ask where you got your thermometer from? I have the same pouring pitcher and would like to try temp checks with this type of thermometer before pouring. Thanks again!