First of MANY videos coming in this series. Over the course of the series, we will test several waxes, jars wicks looking for everything from appearance to wicking to hot throw, etc. This video covers tackling some surface issues and other issues with 464. Don't forget to subscribe to catch all future and past videos! Thanks everyone!
@@hotdoglii technically speaking... yes. But its too soft and too low a melt point that it wont hold up. You will be better off usnig a pilla/votive wax
I have been working with 464 since July, it’s the first wax and only wax I have used. I stick with what I have learned, heat the wax to 185-190…pour in the FO 8%, stir for about one minute. Set aside and let cool to 155-130 and pour in the jar. I have had a success rate of about 90%. I personally have had pretty good luck with 464. At first I started with cotton wicks, and switched to wood wicks. So far I’m pleased with 464.
Thanks so much Peter for adding to this. It's great to have had good success. I have found it really comes down a lot to people's processes and their making environment. Pour Temps can vary a lot based on ambient temp and humidity. The rest of it is varying preferences.:)
When you threw away those candles it made my whole day! I was coming here after about 3 weeks of 464 ups and downs. Thanks for the video. You really did make me smile.
Thank you so much for providing tuition free candle courses! I feel like I’m going to school every time I click on one of your videos! I am a soap maker and want to add candles to my product line. I am in that stage where you are obsessively researching and dreaming about getting started. Last night I was pouring wax in my dreams😂, but you have taught me to pause and learn as much as I can before jumping in! It is so so hard not to rush out and buy everything to get started, but I know I am saving tears, sweat, and money in the long run!
Haha. I hear ya! I have a few videos on how to get started and what to focus on at first check out my business tips videos and origin video if you haven't already. They reference some of what you are describing. Oh... and in the near future I have a "getting started candle making on a budget" type video coming. Helps people get going without spending a fortune but still get to jump in the water. :)
Not sure if you check comments on old videos, but I have to tell you, I have watched so many of your videos and you have been SO INCREDIBLY HELPFUL. You get straight to the point and there's something about you that's super comforting when one (me) is delving into a new area, candle making. It's your attitude and your tone. Like a good friend just helping you out. I really appreciate you. Can't wait to send you a sample for your perusal and roast? There I go, putting the carriage in front of the horse. I haven't even made my first candle or melt but I have done a sh*ton of research and am waiting on all of my supplies to get to me. You and Memory Box are my go to people! THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I started with 464 and was unimpressed, then bought coco beeswax and don’t have the heart to use it cuz it so expensive. Then bought ecosoya advanced and hate it. Now I have hemp soy, but I did throw in a bag of 464 wax when I bought my tart wax. I was just going to make some whatever candles for personal use with my 464 and holy hell. The HT was amazing!!!! I was happy but equally annoyed!!! So many waxidents! (See what I did there?) 😏 Thanks for this video. Love the direction of where your channel is going. 😃 niiiiice!
Hello from the UK, I've just found you and subscribed, as someone who is thinking of a change of career and a small business I was thinking of candle making so did the obvious and came to you tube, great to find you and a great presentation 👍👍
I use 464 and love it. Heat to 186°, fragrance oil at 183°, stir slowly for 2 minutes and then let cool, pour at 155°. Perfect jar adhesion, perfect smooth tops, perfect hot and cold throw. Make sure to stir slowly. He stirred really fast which can cause air bubbles which in turn can cause the sink holes
That is true. Don't really stir that quicklynormally. For video purposes and I make sure any bubbles escape first. But yes.. soot slowly helps for sure! Thanks so much for providing tips!
Your scientific approach is exceptional idea and transferable across many issues in the candle making business industry. Thanks so much. Appreciate your attention to details and ideas for correcting mistakes. You are a very gifted and talented teacher. Thank you for sharing your multitude of gifts. Mucho Gracias
:) cracking me up!! Slightly obsessed with your vid content. Thank you for not be boring and keeping us entertained while also learning something. Black Tie Barn is my go-to for candle help!
Hi Wade! 😀I don't know how many times I saw this video, I was fascinated by the intro, really that is the same frustration I felt when I started making my candles! 😹😹😹
I love all your testing methods and videos. Not sure 464 is worth all this extra effort. I tried it in 2 candles and had a bad experience. I've had better experiences with Soy10, 6006, and apricot coconut without so much hassle. Your tenacity in attempting to make this wax work for you is admirable, I gave up on 464 pretty quickly. Thanks for the series and I look forward to your results!
Hey Joan. I probably wasn't clear enough in the video. I have no intentions of using 464 in my candles. I will be doing this testing snd experimenting with TONS of waxes to help others who do use them. :) I agree, 464 wasn't for me but many like it so my goal is to work and test through all sorts of waxes, etc to help others make the best candle they can with their wax. :) Thanks so much Joan. And thanks for being here! :)
Perfect timing for me! Today I decided to learn how to make 464 candles. I have no clue what to do. I only make wax melts and soap. Thanks for all the information!
I would like to say thank you for this information. I am thinking of starting a candle business with my 11 year old daughter. I'm hoping and praying that you will do the same with some wicks. The little information that we have is by watching your TH-cam videos. Keep them coming they're so helpful and knowledgeable. We thank you.
Oh, another series that I'll be watching FOR SURE! Thank you. I use 464. It's the only wax I use and so far loving it. I am in Jacksonville, FL, and have noticed that the house/studio temperature is a factor I need to consider when pouring. I pour with a house temp between 75-78 degrees and get mainly perfect tops, without warming up my vessels (I also use square mason jars). Could you give some input on your studio temp while pouring? Just curious about that variable.
Nice. This is another series of videos that's super informative. I'd be curious to see the same principle applied to other waxes as well. Its always nice to see other perspectives on things. Wade I can tell your putting it all out there with the channel, it's really good content.
Love it 😀 can't wait for the other wax reviews 😍 🙌 just got some vybar 260 and I made 3 test candles with 464 waiting to cure lol I think there is a difference with the cold throw already. Its AMAZING !!!!!!
Hi!! I've bumped into your channel while watching related videos. I've started learning about candle making during this quarantine, like many, and Im loving it. Just wanted to say that I adore your videos, they are by far the best Ive found on the subject. Thank you so much!
Its very common to find wet spot and unperfected surface even with mass production candle factories that's what I see in the market its going to melt any way.
TY, TY for this series --- ESPECIALLY for someone who wants to create their candle line using 464 or soy wax. I look forward to learning more from this series.
Quick question. You’ve helped me make a great wax and my pouring question is … fill my jars in one pour or pour 1:2 or 3:4 let set and top off the next day? Thanks and brilliant videos !!!
I use 464 this will be my 2nd run with it. I want to stick with all soy wax because of the more natural scheme I'm trying to achieve. So far I'm still testing them and my testers have all commented on the rough, cottage cheese look even between burns. Is there a better all soy combination that works better?
I've tried higher pouring temps for my applications(cups), with poor results. I started adding fragrances/pouring my wax at around 106º - 110º with much greater results! I call it the "Stanley Handcrafted" method.
One of the reasons I'm committed to 464 is b/c that's what I can buy locally. Being forced to make it work has led me to working with additives. I'm currently adding 1 TBLS coconut oil + 3 TBLS stearic acid per 1 LB 464 with repeatable success (approx 7% F.O). And by success I mean appearance. I appreciate this video & other comments.
I make candles exclusively from old bourbon and whiskey bottles. I only do it as a hobby for gift giving and I make some for charity events to help raise money. That being said I don't really do a ton of testing since I'm not doing it as a business. While the containers I use are not all identical, they are all very similar. Is there a wax/wick combo that typically works best across the board for these types of containers? I know it's hard to say what is the BEST combo without testing, but maybe one I would get a good solid average performance from for this type of use? Also, thanks a bunch for these videos. Even though I don't do candle-making as a business, I really enjoy the content!
Thank you. I appreciate that. This channel is meant for makers even if not running a business so I am glad you are here. Can you give me a rough idea on the average diameter of the bottles. That makes the biggest difference
@@BlackTieBarn almost all of the recycled liquor bottles I use are either the round ones (3.5in - 4in in diameter) , or 2in x 4in oval shape. I admit I've been guilty of using the blocks of paraffin wax from a certain chain crafts store and their package of wicks, which is probably why I also get adhesion issues even though I heat the containers and wrap them in tin foil. Time to step up a bit to better quality supplies I suppose :) Thanks for your help!
@@geecee1990 for the closer to 3" size, proabably premier 740 - 760 (i dont use that size so just a starting point). You can also try Eco 4-8 or HTP 83-93 For 3.5-4" I would probably double wick wih Premier 710 -720 and adjust as needed
Video was posted in my favorite Facebook group! And amazing! I LOVE the intro🤣 I’m a new candle maker & really look forward to watching your series! Great video thanks for posting! 🥰
Good night, I make candles just like you and I have a big problem. Air stains between the wall of the jar and the candle. Please how can I solve. Greetings. manuel
Hey, it completely depends on the type of wax. Some waxes are gonna do it no matter what. Others you need to experiment with different pour temperatures.
I'm making Massage Container 75% 464 soy wax , 25% butters and oil with a 6% fragrance essential oil blend. It results as a soft finish with a wrinkled top. ☹
I'm very confused. A week ago, I made 2 candles pouring at 150°F and they both ended up perfect with a flat top and still no wet spots. This morning I made 7 more pouring at the same temperature, but hasn't even cooled down and I see bumpy tops and sinkholes
Different ambient air temperature by chance? Soy is very tempermental... any chance in surrounding air, humidity etc can change it entirely. Also.. Different fragrance oils will do it as well
hello i use cd 14 wicks with my 2.83 diameter 9 oz glass..i heat my 464 soy wax to 185 add fragrance at 12 percent fragrance load at 185 and pour at 160...i am getting this cloudy swirl substance when i swirl my candle around the wick and then it settles...i smell the scent more when i swirl it... i am also not having a good hot throw what could be the issue here
Thank you! I melt down the remnants of my Yankee Candles and try to reuse what's left in smaller jars....I always have collapsing and tunneling. Any advice on reusing Yankee wax?
Please try the Cdn wick I use the cd wick but i’m curious if the Cdn work better with 464 I don’t have any complaints with the CD wicks I get a outstanding Ht / ct with them
Hi Wade, I’m very excited for this up coming series. I always look forward to your videos and invariably I always learn new things. Given that your videos are popular outside USA like here in Australia I was wondering if you can mention Celsius as well in terms of heat as well as grams in weight as we are metric here. Thank you ever so much. Susan Hill
Thanks Susan. I will try to remember to start doing that. I apologize if I continue to forget sometimes. I have so much going on mentally when doing these videos and my focus is all over the place. So, it may be tough to remember to do that consistently. :/
@@BlackTieBarn thank you Wade and I fully appreciate how when doing videos there are so many things to think of. I tried doing a test video and it was not very good as I forgot to mention some key points. So I understand completely.
I love 464 I have smooth tops without heating. Adhesion is a problem for me. Im thinking if I change my pour times that might help. I enjoy your videos. I make 464 dessert candles and pour non dessert candles as well.
Yes. 🤣 Honestly though, it's a combination of both. They work together. So finding that good combo is the key. Certain wick types work better with certain waxes for sure
I am new & have researched for 4-5 months on making candles. I purchased soy wax 415. I made a ton of different candles that consists of votive, jars and some silicone molds. Today I added my FO at 185F & poured at 145F. I did not have frost today but lumpy tops. I warmed my room. Put my clam shells and votive in a cardboard box with foil. Thinking it would cool down slower. How do I eliminate Lumpy tops?
It's tough with soy.. especially 464, 415, 444, and C3. Best bet is to add another wax and it make it a cocosoy or a parasoy. Both paraffin and coconut waxes will help. Otherwise..... heat gun to smooth it out. But the ugly surface will come after its burned.
Appreciate all your time, labor and exceptional expertise, wisdom, education, reviews, tips and tricks. Always learn very much from each of your videos. Thank you so much for all you do. Mucho Gracias
It depends. It's best to ask your supplier. Most of the time... yes. But occasionally you might come across a scent name that is used and trademarked by a large company.
About the same in my testing . At least with the oils I used. It isn't really designed to increase hot throw. Just allows some waxes to hold more if they normally cant
Hi! I’m using 464 wax with a Candlescience CD 10 wick inside a 8 oz glass mason jar with around 2.3 diameter. I’ve been testing them and have been burning my candles but they have NO SMELL???? I’m using 11 oz wax with a 1 oz FO. What am I doing wrong? I heat the wax to 185 degrees and mix FO then pour at around 125-130 degrees. Very frustrated on my materials I’m wasting. I just want my candles to have a strong scent! :(
Hey Kaitlyn. 464 is super picky on oils that work well. Your process seems fine and so does your fragrance load. My guess is either 1) the oil you are using just doesn't work super well or throw super well with 464. That is common with 464. Really requires a lot of testing to find great fragrance/wax combinations 2) how long have you let then "cure". Let them sit a week or more and test again to see if the hot throw has improved.
@@BlackTieBarn thanks for replying so fast!! Your whole video is amazing and thorough! :) It’s weird though because I have used 464 before with the same FO load, the only thing different was the wick and the jars itself… I tested candles that was made for a month and one that I made the same day. Both had no smell :(
@@kaitlynkieu7125 i totally understand this I'm about to pull my hair out. i used to make candles about 5 yrs ago now I'm doing them again, everything the same but the scent just vanishes 😔
They are sold several places... but like many supplies right now, May be short or out of stock at the moment. Not sure. Here is a link to what they are though. www.candlescience.com/containers/8oz-mason-jar-label-ready Also, these are the same but say Mason on the sides embossed. Sold many places too. www.candlescience.com/containers/8oz-mason-jar
@@BlackTieBarn side note...I just found pit that I had pre made about 50 candles across 8 scents...in a 8 oz tin can...say for about 1 month...banana nut bread and another caused a oranginsh red oxidation effect where top of candle meet side walls and was an oily look..what happened? Has this happened to you?
After 6-8 weeks curing time 464 candles burn perfectly and the surface is smooth after burning ad well. Hot throw is strong Even with 7,5% fo. CD wick that I use behave also differently after long curing time, with no mushrooming and stable, calm flame. Candle is also buring much slower. All without any additives.
I believe you. And/but, I have not been able to achieve what you describe with 464. I have had repeatable success with additives though. I know others like you have success with only 464, but it evades me.
The temperature in the room when You’re making them can be the key. If You have an open Window on the on side, or maybe candles are hardening again beside the kitchen oven that was hot, would make the temperature uneven around the candle. When I started paying attention to that it got better. Also don’t pour too fast. But the curing time was absolutely the major factor.
I warm up to 175 Farenheit, fo at 170, pour between 135-145. Room temperature is around 20 degrees Celcius, I dont know how much it is in Farenheit. I don’t make candles at warmer days. When they’re curing I keep them at the room that is always cooler than the rest of the apartament, at the room that the Window would be always opened, so the temperature is stable.
What kind of vybar did you use? I’m starting my candle business and I’m having trouble with not have smooth tops I’m in the testing part of my process.
Most companies have large volumes to sell. Candle science sells 5lb jugs, Aztec sells 2lbs, etc. If you are referring to larger like 10lb or 25 lb..... will want to look at fo manufacturers but they do have high MOQs
Hi. I'm not sure which jars you are referring to. I skimmed through the video and didn't see any behind me. Feel free to let me know which ones and I will help ya out. :)
Hello, Great video! I’m having problems with my CD wicks (18-20) with 464 soy wax. Did some burn testing with 3 different fragrances…all 3 candles (straight sided jars) burned nicely…no soot, little to moderate mushrooming, hot and cold throw was good….however after the 3rd burn test (4-6 hours) the wick fell down (drowned) into wax….Weird…can’t really figure out what happened…..any advice???
Cant wait for this series. I’m new to candle making and i’ve noticed that while my cold throw with 464 is amazing, the hot throw isn’t all that great. I think it might be the wick but its been hell with the testing process😪
When I test my fragrances, I do it the next day, without curing the candles for many days. If you have a good HT instantly then it will always be a good candle. There are fragrances that smell very nice but they just don't work well with I'm 464 no matter how hard you try.
Hello. I have three sizes of mason jar using soy wax. I see that the diameter of the top are the same doesn't matter how big ir small they are. May i use the same wick for all of them? I hope you can understand my question since i am a Spanish speaking and some time i dont explain myself very well.☺️
Thank you for the video. I have been pouring around 150 degrees and have good results. Another concern is when to pour the fragrance. The fragrance Flashpoint is 171 degrees and the wax was around 190 degrees. Should I have poured the fragrance at a lower temperature?
No, ou really dont need to worry about flash point when adding fragrance oils to your wax. Its important when exposed to open flame. I wouldn't adjust your temp bsed on the FO you are using, but thats just me.
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First of MANY videos coming in this series. Over the course of the series, we will test several waxes, jars wicks looking for everything from appearance to wicking to hot throw, etc. This video covers tackling some surface issues and other issues with 464. Don't forget to subscribe to catch all future and past videos! Thanks everyone!
Can 464 wax makes pillar candle? Thank you.
@@hotdoglii technically speaking... yes. But its too soft and too low a melt point that it wont hold up. You will be better off usnig a pilla/votive wax
@@BlackTieBarn Thank you very much for answering my question, oh btw, do you have any suggestion that what brands for pliia/ votive wax?
En conclusión la recomienda 🙏
Do you reuse jars after doing a test candle, or throw it away?
I have been working with 464 since July, it’s the first wax and only wax I have used. I stick with what I have learned, heat the wax to 185-190…pour in the FO 8%, stir for about one minute. Set aside and let cool to 155-130 and pour in the jar. I have had a success rate of about 90%. I personally have had pretty good luck with 464. At first I started with cotton wicks, and switched to wood wicks. So far I’m pleased with 464.
Thanks so much Peter for adding to this. It's great to have had good success. I have found it really comes down a lot to people's processes and their making environment. Pour Temps can vary a lot based on ambient temp and humidity. The rest of it is varying preferences.:)
Where do you buy your 464 soy wax
@@faithrn5267 I have been buying my Golden Brand 10 lbs 464 from Amazon.
@@PeterKuzemchak Thank you
@@PeterKuzemchak what brand?
When you threw away those candles it made my whole day! I was coming here after about 3 weeks of 464 ups and downs. Thanks for the video. You really did make me smile.
Thank you so much for providing tuition free candle courses! I feel like I’m going to school every time I click on one of your videos! I am a soap maker and want to add candles to my product line. I am in that stage where you are obsessively researching and dreaming about getting started. Last night I was pouring wax in my dreams😂, but you have taught me to pause and learn as much as I can before jumping in! It is so so hard not to rush out and buy everything to get started, but I know I am saving tears, sweat, and money in the long run!
Haha. I hear ya! I have a few videos on how to get started and what to focus on at first check out my business tips videos and origin video if you haven't already. They reference some of what you are describing. Oh... and in the near future I have a "getting started candle making on a budget" type video coming. Helps people get going without spending a fortune but still get to jump in the water. :)
@@BlackTieBarn AWESOME! Thank you so much!
I am form India. What is vybar
Not sure if you check comments on old videos, but I have to tell you, I have watched so many of your videos and you have been SO INCREDIBLY HELPFUL. You get straight to the point and there's something about you that's super comforting when one (me) is delving into a new area, candle making. It's your attitude and your tone. Like a good friend just helping you out. I really appreciate you. Can't wait to send you a sample for your perusal and roast? There I go, putting the carriage in front of the horse. I haven't even made my first candle or melt but I have done a sh*ton of research and am waiting on all of my supplies to get to me. You and Memory Box are my go to people! THANK YOU SO MUCH.
Thanks so much. I appreciate that! I try my best. Don't always hit the mark, but I try. Glad you are enjoying the channel. :)
Omggg the candle god heard my prayers 😂😂😂 thank you for doing this one!!
😆🤣 np!
Your intro was hilarious! I swear, you are as animated as a 16 years old being told to throw out the trash
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His intro was me EVERYTIME!! Lol
I've found your page recently and this is entirely relatable. I'm ab to cry from wooden wick testing - thanks for your help
Slightly freaked out by how comprehensive this is. :)
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I started with 464 and was unimpressed, then bought coco beeswax and don’t have the heart to use it cuz it so expensive. Then bought ecosoya advanced and hate it. Now I have hemp soy, but I did throw in a bag of 464 wax when I bought my tart wax.
I was just going to make some whatever candles for personal use with my 464 and holy hell. The HT was amazing!!!! I was happy but equally annoyed!!!
So many waxidents! (See what I did there?) 😏
Thanks for this video. Love the direction of where your channel is going. 😃 niiiiice!
Hello from the UK, I've just found you and subscribed, as someone who is thinking of a change of career and a small business I was thinking of candle making so did the obvious and came to you tube, great to find you and a great presentation 👍👍
I use 464 and love it. Heat to 186°, fragrance oil at 183°, stir slowly for 2 minutes and then let cool, pour at 155°. Perfect jar adhesion, perfect smooth tops, perfect hot and cold throw.
Make sure to stir slowly. He stirred really fast which can cause air bubbles which in turn can cause the sink holes
That is true. Don't really stir that quicklynormally. For video purposes and I make sure any bubbles escape first. But yes.. soot slowly helps for sure! Thanks so much for providing tips!
Thank you, I am so excited to learn more about candle issues. For me it is like tutorial learning in video 👍 .
More to come! Glad you enjoyed!
I pour my 464 soy between 115-120 and don’t have issues with catering, caving, sinkholes and I get smooth tops every time. 💜
That's great. It's often vary dependent on your jar size and shape. And fragrance oil
What temp do you add FO?
Lol the trashing throwing oh man your info is spot on i will share this video with other candle makers thanks again for share
Thsnsk so much! I'd love and appreciate that very much. Thanks for supporting the channel and happy you enjoyed it. :)
Very informative and really good since we as candle maker and beginners are struggling with , thank you once again- regards Pravina ( India)
Your scientific approach is exceptional idea and transferable across many issues in the candle making business industry. Thanks so much. Appreciate your attention to details and ideas for correcting mistakes. You are a very gifted and talented teacher. Thank you for sharing your multitude of gifts. Mucho Gracias
Thank you very much for the kind feedback as always. Means a lot
Great video! You had me cracking up with that intro .. heck .. I felt that way at one point and wanted to throw the whole case in the trash .. lol
😆😂😆🤣😅 yes!
love this and the intro- spot on lol
🤣 thanks!
:) cracking me up!! Slightly obsessed with your vid content. Thank you for not be boring and keeping us entertained while also learning something. Black Tie Barn is my go-to for candle help!
Haha! Ty so much Amanada. Glad you enjoying them. Appreciate you. ;)
Thanks great vid... would have loved a longer wait to see as well mabs 3 weeks
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You’ve literally been coming with the heat with these new series!! 👏 Looking forward to watching more of these!
😁🤣 Thanks!
Hi Wade! 😀I don't know how many times I saw this video, I was fascinated by the intro, really that is the same frustration I felt when I started making my candles! 😹😹😹
😁🤣 right?!
Liked this vid! Getting ready to make my first soy candle.
Good luck!!
I love all your testing methods and videos. Not sure 464 is worth all this extra effort. I tried it in 2 candles and had a bad experience. I've had better experiences with Soy10, 6006, and apricot coconut without so much hassle. Your tenacity in attempting to make this wax work for you is admirable, I gave up on 464 pretty quickly. Thanks for the series and I look forward to your results!
Hey Joan. I probably wasn't clear enough in the video. I have no intentions of using 464 in my candles. I will be doing this testing snd experimenting with TONS of waxes to help others who do use them. :)
I agree, 464 wasn't for me but many like it so my goal is to work and test through all sorts of waxes, etc to help others make the best candle they can with their wax. :)
Thanks so much Joan. And thanks for being here! :)
Thankkkkkk you so very much...you are so good at what you do and grateful for your wisdom helping us..
😊 thank you so much!
Perfect timing for me! Today I decided to learn how to make 464 candles. I have no clue what to do. I only make wax melts and soap. Thanks for all the information!
Of course!
I actually use 464 without any additives and I like it better without. Great video thanks!
Thanks Alicia!
@@BlackTieBarn You’re welcome!
I would like to say thank you for this information. I am thinking of starting a candle business with my 11 year old daughter. I'm hoping and praying that you will do the same with some wicks. The little information that we have is by watching your TH-cam videos. Keep them coming they're so helpful and knowledgeable. We thank you.
Glad to hear that Gladys. Thank you and I will! Good luck to you! :)
Oh, another series that I'll be watching FOR SURE! Thank you. I use 464. It's the only wax I use and so far loving it. I am in Jacksonville, FL, and have noticed that the house/studio temperature is a factor I need to consider when pouring. I pour with a house temp between 75-78 degrees and get mainly perfect tops, without warming up my vessels (I also use square mason jars). Could you give some input on your studio temp while pouring? Just curious about that variable.
I'm around 72-74 generally.
Hello i like your comment. What wick do you use for mason jar? And soy wax
Can you please tell us more about your wicking method?
hi randolph, you elaborate a bit on what you mean specifically?
Your intro was me about 6 days ago but I had my husband looking at me and then he was afraid to talk to me for about an hour. Lol!
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Nice. This is another series of videos that's super informative. I'd be curious to see the same principle applied to other waxes as well. Its always nice to see other perspectives on things. Wade I can tell your putting it all out there with the channel, it's really good content.
Thanks Scott. Appreciate it man. Do what I can to help. I'm always learning too!
Hi Wade, hoping you see this! You mentioned that the size of the jar makes a difference to all these issues. Can you explain this?
Love it 😀 can't wait for the other wax reviews 😍 🙌 just got some vybar 260 and I made 3 test candles with 464 waiting to cure lol I think there is a difference with the cold throw already. Its AMAZING !!!!!!
Hey Mo. Lots of future wax reviews planned! :)
Hello. Where do I buy Vybar?
So happy I just found you! Ty so much 💖
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cant wait to see your HT results.
Me too! 😁
Hi!! I've bumped into your channel while watching related videos. I've started learning about candle making during this quarantine, like many, and Im loving it. Just wanted to say that I adore your videos, they are by far the best Ive found on the subject. Thank you so much!
Thanks so much Jessica. Happy you are now here! 😀
Its very common to find wet spot and unperfected surface even with mass production candle factories that's what I see in the market its going to melt any way.
Yep!
I truly appreciate your channel. Thanks again!
No problem. Thanks Jamie!
TY, TY for this series --- ESPECIALLY for someone who wants to create their candle line using 464 or soy wax. I look forward to learning more from this series.
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Quick question. You’ve helped me make a great wax and my pouring question is … fill my jars in one pour or pour 1:2 or 3:4 let set and top off the next day? Thanks and brilliant videos !!!
I use 464 this will be my 2nd run with it. I want to stick with all soy wax because of the more natural scheme I'm trying to achieve. So far I'm still testing them and my testers have all commented on the rough, cottage cheese look even between burns. Is there a better all soy combination that works better?
Wow great information....love your style 👈❤👌
😊 Thanks!
I'm having trouble with hot throw. I need your help. New candles, maker
Why does some people use 464 for wax melts? And can you? And not I'm using para soy, what you think about this wax?
I've tried higher pouring temps for my applications(cups), with poor results. I started adding fragrances/pouring my wax at around 106º - 110º with much greater results! I call it the "Stanley Handcrafted" method.
Lol. I hear ya. The pour temp has been around a long time. Works well for some waxes for sure. The issues normally arrive from adding FO at low Temps.
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Awesome. Glad to help. Jeff and I are friends and work together some. Glad we have both been helpful (along with others as well)
Great series. Looking forward to all the videos
Thanks!
One of the reasons I'm committed to 464 is b/c that's what I can buy locally. Being forced to make it work has led me to working with additives. I'm currently adding 1 TBLS coconut oil + 3 TBLS stearic acid per 1 LB 464 with repeatable success (approx 7% F.O). And by success I mean appearance. I appreciate this video & other comments.
Awesome. Thanks for the info Kim!
very nice comment , what kind of coconut oil you added ?
@@thephilosophyofgiftgiving8604 Nutiva organic Virginia, solid
I make candles exclusively from old bourbon and whiskey bottles. I only do it as a hobby for gift giving and I make some for charity events to help raise money. That being said I don't really do a ton of testing since I'm not doing it as a business. While the containers I use are not all identical, they are all very similar. Is there a wax/wick combo that typically works best across the board for these types of containers? I know it's hard to say what is the BEST combo without testing, but maybe one I would get a good solid average performance from for this type of use? Also, thanks a bunch for these videos. Even though I don't do candle-making as a business, I really enjoy the content!
Thank you. I appreciate that. This channel is meant for makers even if not running a business so I am glad you are here. Can you give me a rough idea on the average diameter of the bottles. That makes the biggest difference
@@BlackTieBarn almost all of the recycled liquor bottles I use are either the round ones (3.5in - 4in in diameter) , or 2in x 4in oval shape. I admit I've been guilty of using the blocks of paraffin wax from a certain chain crafts store and their package of wicks, which is probably why I also get adhesion issues even though I heat the containers and wrap them in tin foil. Time to step up a bit to better quality supplies I suppose :) Thanks for your help!
I'm thinking of trying the ProBlend 600. What would be a good initial wick to try for that wax in a 3in-4in glass container with 12-14oz of wax?
@@geecee1990 for the closer to 3" size, proabably premier 740 - 760 (i dont use that size so just a starting point). You can also try Eco 4-8 or HTP 83-93
For 3.5-4" I would probably double wick wih Premier 710 -720 and adjust as needed
@@BlackTieBarn Awesome. Thanks a bunch!
Hi, am beginners in candle making and my candle wick is moving from centre of the container please help me
Video was posted in my favorite Facebook group! And amazing! I LOVE the intro🤣 I’m a new candle maker & really look forward to watching your series! Great video thanks for posting! 🥰
😁 Thanks Victoria!
Very good info. I look forward to the rest of the series. Thanks, Wade
Thanks Michael!
Good night, I make candles just like you and I have a big problem. Air stains between the wall of the jar and the candle. Please how can I solve. Greetings. manuel
Hey, it completely depends on the type of wax. Some waxes are gonna do it no matter what. Others you need to experiment with different pour temperatures.
Wow Great video can’t wait for the next one
Thanks!
This was brilliant!!!! Thanks, seriously great comparisons!
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Great video. Thanks 💯👏🏽
No problem 👍
I'm making Massage Container 75% 464 soy wax , 25% butters and oil with a 6% fragrance essential oil blend. It results as a soft finish with a wrinkled top. ☹
I'm very confused. A week ago, I made 2 candles pouring at 150°F and they both ended up perfect with a flat top and still no wet spots. This morning I made 7 more pouring at the same temperature, but hasn't even cooled down and I see bumpy tops and sinkholes
Different ambient air temperature by chance? Soy is very tempermental... any chance in surrounding air, humidity etc can change it entirely. Also.. Different fragrance oils will do it as well
hello i use cd 14 wicks with my 2.83 diameter 9 oz glass..i heat my 464 soy wax to 185 add fragrance at 12 percent fragrance load at 185 and pour at 160...i am getting this cloudy swirl substance when i swirl my candle around the wick and then it settles...i smell the scent more when i swirl it... i am also not having a good hot throw what could be the issue here
Thank you! I melt down the remnants of my Yankee Candles and try to reuse what's left in smaller jars....I always have collapsing and tunneling. Any advice on reusing Yankee wax?
Omg 😱 this is what I need !!! Thank you so much 🙏🏻
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Do you ever mix different brands of waxes to create your own blends? (ie, 464 with a coconut wax blend)?
Please try the Cdn wick I use the cd wick but i’m curious if the Cdn work better with 464 I don’t have any complaints with the CD wicks I get a outstanding Ht / ct with them
Yep cd and cdn about the same for me in this wax
Very interesting, I have never used Vbar 🤔
👍 it has its time and place. :)
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I love the 464 so far. No problems yet. 🤞
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Hi Wade, I’m very excited for this up coming series. I always look forward to your videos and invariably I always learn new things. Given that your videos are popular outside USA like here in Australia I was wondering if you can mention Celsius as well in terms of heat as well as grams in weight as we are metric here. Thank you ever so much. Susan Hill
Thanks Susan. I will try to remember to start doing that. I apologize if I continue to forget sometimes. I have so much going on mentally when doing these videos and my focus is all over the place. So, it may be tough to remember to do that consistently. :/
@@BlackTieBarn thank you Wade and I fully appreciate how when doing videos there are so many things to think of. I tried doing a test video and it was not very good as I forgot to mention some key points. So I understand completely.
I love 464 I have smooth tops without heating. Adhesion is a problem for me. Im thinking if I change my pour times that might help. I enjoy your videos. I make 464 dessert candles and pour non dessert candles as well.
Awesome Nina. Thanks for the feedback!
So educational, THANK YOU!!
Np!
What kind or brand colorants do you use in your candles?
Thank you so much what about paraffin Wax!
This video was specific to 464. But I have plenty other videos on other waxes too. :)
How far down do you cut your wic down??
1/4"
What could be if doesnt burn correctly? Should be the wax, or the wick?
Yes. 🤣 Honestly though, it's a combination of both. They work together. So finding that good combo is the key. Certain wick types work better with certain waxes for sure
What is the best liquid dye to use with 464 I'm lost when it comes to coloring my candles
Not really a best. But I'd try spectrums dyes from natures garden.
I am new & have researched for 4-5 months on making candles. I purchased soy wax 415. I made a ton of different candles that consists of votive, jars and some silicone molds. Today I added my FO at 185F & poured at 145F. I did not have frost today but lumpy tops. I warmed my room. Put my clam shells and votive in a cardboard box with foil. Thinking it would cool down slower. How do I eliminate Lumpy tops?
It's tough with soy.. especially 464, 415, 444, and C3. Best bet is to add another wax and it make it a cocosoy or a parasoy. Both paraffin and coconut waxes will help. Otherwise..... heat gun to smooth it out. But the ugly surface will come after its burned.
@@BlackTieBarn so this sounds to be common for even the large businesses like yourself!
Appreciate all your time, labor and exceptional expertise, wisdom, education, reviews, tips and tricks. Always learn very much from each of your videos. Thank you so much for all you do. Mucho Gracias
Np! Ty!
Question - am I allow to use the fragrance oil name on my candle or do I have to change the name?
It depends. It's best to ask your supplier. Most of the time... yes. But occasionally you might come across a scent name that is used and trademarked by a large company.
Where are the HT results with vybar?
About the same in my testing . At least with the oils I used. It isn't really designed to increase hot throw. Just allows some waxes to hold more if they normally cant
Hi! I’m using 464 wax with a Candlescience CD 10 wick inside a 8 oz glass mason jar with around 2.3 diameter. I’ve been testing them and have been burning my candles but they have NO SMELL???? I’m using 11 oz wax with a 1 oz FO. What am I doing wrong? I heat the wax to 185 degrees and mix FO then pour at around 125-130 degrees. Very frustrated on my materials I’m wasting. I just want my candles to have a strong scent! :(
Hey Kaitlyn. 464 is super picky on oils that work well. Your process seems fine and so does your fragrance load. My guess is either
1) the oil you are using just doesn't work super well or throw super well with 464. That is common with 464. Really requires a lot of testing to find great fragrance/wax combinations
2) how long have you let then "cure". Let them sit a week or more and test again to see if the hot throw has improved.
@@BlackTieBarn thanks for replying so fast!! Your whole video is amazing and thorough! :)
It’s weird though because I have used 464 before with the same FO load, the only thing different was the wick and the jars itself… I tested candles that was made for a month and one that I made the same day. Both had no smell :(
@@kaitlynkieu7125 i totally understand this I'm about to pull my hair out. i used to make candles about 5 yrs ago now I'm doing them again, everything the same but the scent just vanishes 😔
Did you do a part 2 till this thanks
If I’m making unscented soy wax candles, do I still need to heat to 185, or will 135 be enough?
What brand dyes do you use? I love the vibrance
Mostly candle science and natures garden
Are you doing these types of videos in C3 or on problend 600 waxes?
I definitely will be! PB or C6 probably the next ones coming. These take a bit to do as you can imagine. :)
Love watching your videos...when will part 2 be coming for 464 wick selection, test burn and performance? Have a blessed week!
Oh very soon my friend. ;)
@@BlackTieBarn I cannot find the 8 oz mason jars you use anywhere...Am I just missing something lol
They are sold several places... but like many supplies right now, May be short or out of stock at the moment. Not sure. Here is a link to what they are though.
www.candlescience.com/containers/8oz-mason-jar-label-ready
Also, these are the same but say Mason on the sides embossed. Sold many places too.
www.candlescience.com/containers/8oz-mason-jar
@@BlackTieBarn side note...I just found pit that I had pre made about 50 candles across 8 scents...in a 8 oz tin can...say for about 1 month...banana nut bread and another caused a oranginsh red oxidation effect where top of candle meet side walls and was an oily look..what happened? Has this happened to you?
This is fairly common when using metal (aluminum tins). Citrus and heavy vanillin conten in oils will cause it.
Hey again… are you using regular food grade coloring for candles??
No. Those won't work. You need oil based dyes made for candle making
Curious..What was that tool you used to stick down your wicks?
That's an old one. I use these now
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Did the cyber effect wicking ? Thanks for your video .
Very rarely.... you use so little. But I always test to be sure.
What do you think about using isopropyl mystriate for scent dispersion when the candles are lit?
No idea. Never done it or heard of it being done to be honest. So I'm not sure. :/
@@BlackTieBarn Alright, I ordered some last week. I ll come back with a review of that stuff 😂 see what happens.
After 6-8 weeks curing time 464 candles burn perfectly and the surface is smooth after burning ad well. Hot throw is strong Even with 7,5% fo. CD wick that I use behave also differently after long curing time, with no mushrooming and stable, calm flame. Candle is also buring much slower. All without any additives.
I believe you. And/but, I have not been able to achieve what you describe with 464. I have had repeatable success with additives though. I know others like you have success with only 464, but it evades me.
The temperature in the room when You’re making them can be the key. If You have an open Window on the on side, or maybe candles are hardening again beside the kitchen oven that was hot, would make the temperature uneven around the candle. When I started paying attention to that it got better. Also don’t pour too fast. But the curing time was absolutely the major factor.
At what temperature do you add the FO and pour them into the jar? Also, what temperature do you use n your house/studio when making candles? Thanks
Thanks Carola!
I warm up to 175 Farenheit, fo at 170, pour between 135-145. Room temperature is around 20 degrees Celcius, I dont know how much it is in Farenheit. I don’t make candles at warmer days. When they’re curing I keep them at the room that is always cooler than the rest of the apartament, at the room that the Window would be always opened, so the temperature is stable.
What kind of vybar did you use? I’m starting my candle business and I’m having trouble with not have smooth tops I’m in the testing part of my process.
I been searching for big bottles of good fragrance candle oils can you help me with a good site
Most companies have large volumes to sell. Candle science sells 5lb jugs, Aztec sells 2lbs, etc. If you are referring to larger like 10lb or 25 lb..... will want to look at fo manufacturers but they do have high MOQs
Where can I buy those jars in the background where you are sitting
Hi. I'm not sure which jars you are referring to. I skimmed through the video and didn't see any behind me. Feel free to let me know which ones and I will help ya out. :)
Hello..How I make the soy wax 464 harder because I would like to put it in silicone mold .
It's going to be hard to do with 464. It's just not melt for molds. You could try adding some vybar or stearic acid. Or also try 444
@@BlackTieBarn many thanks 😊 🙏
Hello nice to see you!! The vibar 260 works in 444 wax too ?
It can but probably not needed
Hello,
Great video! I’m having problems with my CD wicks (18-20) with 464 soy wax. Did some burn testing with 3 different fragrances…all 3 candles (straight sided jars) burned nicely…no soot, little to moderate mushrooming, hot and cold throw was good….however after the 3rd burn test (4-6 hours) the wick fell down (drowned) into wax….Weird…can’t really figure out what happened…..any advice???
Hello dear, I have been trying to reach you but I don't know how. I really need a mentor
Cant wait for this series. I’m new to candle making and i’ve noticed that while my cold throw with 464 is amazing, the hot throw isn’t all that great. I think it might be the wick but its been hell with the testing process😪
I’m going through the same! It’s definitely a process, but we got this! DON’T GIVE UP! Keep going, you’ll get the results you want!
@@victorialoftin4932 Thank you!! I have faith in us. I'm hoping to do a blend with coconut wax to improve my HT. Baby steps lol
@@shonacrawford1256 Yes definitely baby steps! I’m using 464 so it’s trial & error lol but watch in a month we gone have it down packed!
When I test my fragrances, I do it the next day, without curing the candles for many days. If you have a good HT instantly then it will always be a good candle. There are fragrances that smell very nice but they just don't work well with I'm 464 no matter how hard you try.
100% true
Hello. I have three sizes of mason jar using soy wax. I see that the diameter of the top are the same doesn't matter how big ir small they are. May i use the same wick for all of them? I hope you can understand my question since i am a Spanish speaking and some time i dont explain myself very well.☺️
You will want to 5est each new scents because fragrance oil can and will often affect the wick size
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Thank you for the video. I have been pouring around 150 degrees and have good results. Another concern is when to pour the fragrance. The fragrance Flashpoint is 171 degrees and the wax was around 190 degrees. Should I have poured the fragrance at a lower temperature?
No, ou really dont need to worry about flash point when adding fragrance oils to your wax. Its important when exposed to open flame. I wouldn't adjust your temp bsed on the FO you are using, but thats just me.