@@shardofkingdoms9816 I dont know, Capcom`s cash cow has been Monster Hunter for well over a decade. Many of their other franchises do well as well. The pre-mature release of SFV probably had more to do with e-sports if anything. SFV towards the end wasnt even suppose to have a season 5, but it existed so they could work on SF6 longer.
Ah Season 1 of SFV. I can’t let go how Capcom DE-STROYED Nash after ppl complained about him in S1 and then the game proceeds to have characters twice as busted and after the fact and they still never brought Nash back from the depths. This character got killed in the first season from being in a great place and we never saw him again for the rest of the lifespan.
Can confirm that CFN was not working on launch. Another little detail about that main menu, is that the shade of blue changed according to the time. During mornings it had a lighter blue, and during night time, the one being showed in the video.
I’ll second preferring Vanilla SFV’s aesthetics over Arcade/Champion edition. Not sure what it is, but the minimalistic white/blue style hud and menu theme is appealing to me. That, and the character selection screen was awesome and got you pumped up before a match.
Arcade edition went overboard with gold on everything. It felt snazzy at first, and the fact that it changed at all was welcome, but it didn't take long before it got annoying. They also cut down on some of the lighting effects on the EX and V meters, which is something I didn't realize for a while. I kind of like the look of season 1's maxed out V meter.
One thing that wasn’t mentioned about season 1. Reversals were invincible and didn’t require meter. So metered DPs were still a thing. Also there was an option select jump which allowed you to escape throws and beat frame traps. This was removed in season 2. Lastly anti air jabs. Lots of characters had them and lots of them got free mixups. The problem with season 1 was that it was too scrambly. Every situation lead to a scramble. Ken and Chun were 2 of the best scramble characters in the game. With Ryu coming in behind them. A lot of the season 2 changes short term pissed people off. I think it took really till season 4 to get the formula right. Because season 3 had the Abigail problem. And season 2 was so centered around robbery V-triggers. Season 4 started the final meta of whiff punish and cr.mk fighter V. But I also think the game because very stale too. And kind of boring. This is why SF6 really need to keep the fun and spirit of characters. Without taking the fun and interesting stuff from them.
Granted we are in the first season but SF6 might be heading down the same path of seasons until it becomes properly balanced. - Raw DR completely overshadows neutral play (DI kinda plays a role in this as well but not as egregious) - DR still eating inputs - Instant 50/50 mixups from DR moves - Strike/Throw vortex from knockdowns/DR moves - Corner and midscreen throw loops - No established high/med/low game. For example, doesn’t make sense for Ken’s st.HP (a HIGH move) to connect on a low crouching Cammy or Juri. This move has always been duckable since SF2 days. The punch doesn’t even touch their heads but it still connects on block/hit. Same goes for a lot of standing jabs in this game. Hitbox interactions are janky. The current meta is to force 50/50s any chance you can get. Or basically, whoever can force the 50/50 first. Idk what this new formula for SF that Capcom is pushing as of late, but I’m not a fan at all.
Was also worth a mention that the transition from the betas to the vanilla release also left a bad taste in some people’s mouths, the beta had some cool tech like mika resets and the like that got removed in the release version and gave the game a bit of a neutered feel, the removal of crouch tech made offense really oppressive for the first while as it was a staple defensive option going back to 3s and the EX games I remember a lot of people saying the game just felt basic and the copium of “Bro we just haven’t discovered the stuff yet” was there for the first year or so
SF4 vanilla and SFV vanilla were the most horrid in the entire franchise. I use to lightly joke with my buddies that SFEX3 was better than SFV before Champion edition 😂. But they low-key knew I meant it.
10:30 This entire section is wrong. The Bustling Sidestreet stage was initially THE ONLY stage in vanilla SFV that had the stage transitions working. You could bust someone through the wall and expand into the diner, and then get smacked into the cramped kitchen and get noodles on their head. And the noodles would stay on their head for the rest of the match, as long as they didn't get hit or blocked an attack again. I remember my friends and I would joke around about "Noodles Challenges" where we'd go for a Perfect on Round 3/Final Round in order to keep the noodles on our head(s) for the win screen.
Yeah man, when it came out I was like "all the people hating on lack of content are FILTHY CASUALS who don't know that the real enjoyment of fighting games is just playing against other people." And well, in that department, the game was there. Online, offline vs, training mode. But everything else... eeesh. Though tbf, Overwatch launched the same year and there also wasn't anything else but online play, and everybody loved that, so idk. At least League is free. But CS:GO wasn't at the time. I was so defensive about it, because I got into fighting games few years before that and, well, SFIV was in full swing by that time, not to mention it was just a hard game in general for a total newcomer. So I thought that SFV would be my chance. Yeah, I was an apologist, so what. Oh, the stage transitions/finishers: yeah, they were added later (not for any of the DLC stages, though), but the Bustling Side Street was there from the start. I'm positive. It was the only stage that had it for a long time. Anyway, I honestly also kinda prefer the original UI. Like, it was nothing, but it was a very clean nothing. We all liked the Arcade Edition overhaul because it was something new and, at least in my mind, it could've hinted at some bigger story developments/implications, especially with G. Or, at the very least, that we would've gotten yet another overhaul at some point, like Tekken 7 did during that time. And none of those things happened. I especially mourn the loss of the original VS screen. Because the VS looked like V and 5, which is, you know, kinda corny, but also kinda cute. Same with the Character Select screen, there's that deliberate V in there. And boy, the Character Select theme. That was like, the only speck of this game's identity, to me. (Along with Ring of Power's theme.) I still listen to it sometimes, it's miles better than what we got now. but at least the v-system and ex bars look like batteries now, so that's funny
I remember playing the beta as Laura and enjoying it enough for me to really want the full version. I remember saving some money getting SFV alongside a PS4 in my university days, when the GameStop near my favorite gym was still open, which my parents probably would have advised against. I remember having to wait an extra few days to order a Brooks Converter for my ps3 fightsticks. I remember how bored I got of fighting Necalli on the waterfall stage for Survival. I remember how strange it was how odd the story mode art felt because of how little it looked like the in-game designs especially for proportions. I remember how relieved I was when they began releasing Season 1 dlc, and how exciting it was that Guile and Alex were free for a certain period. Overall, it's interesting to see how a game has post-development now with all these patches; it makes it a lot harder to revisit the past of a fighting game compared to the separate releases that Street Fighter along with other fighting games have had.z Thanks for this trip down memory lane.
Something that I'd like to make note of regarding Survival Mode at launch- not only did you have to unlock colors for each individual character, but you had to unlock colors separately for each individual *costume*!
Vanilla SFV almost killed the series credibility entirely. It took years of work just to make it a decent game and until SF6 to regain its glory as the premiere fighting game.
Another Blue Menu enjoyer here. I loved the Blue version and wish you could switch back to it. Wasn't a big fan of the while version, and while the blue menu music wasn't something special, the white menu music was too bombastic for my taste. Another thing you couldn't do in vanilla SFV was REMATCH online. Yes, all online matches were one and done affairs during the first weeks. Add to that the huge amount of ragequiters and no real repercussion to ragequiting, the loading times before every match and Online was a sad experience overall during the first months.
SF5 honestly immediately fell into a rut and never recovered until right before SF6 was about to drop. SF6 basically did the complete opposite of 5 in terms of execution and accessibility, it's wild.
I played Street Fighter V Champion Edition from the start of this year until the start of June and it has a charm I miss now that I'm playing Street Fighter 6.
Honestly sfv launch was so abysmal and season 2 was so shite that general long lasting opinions stemming from both really shaped how sf6 was released, how its system is designed and is currently handling its balance. It fundamentally changed how Capcom approached development for the better in all honesty
@adriandenton6637 what needs patching? top tier nerfs so people can complain about the next round of top tiers? people are spoiled by constant patches these days
@@bartdude82It works entirely as intended. Sure it's very strong in neutral at low levels but you can check it and it costs an important resource. In combos it's expensive and strong as it should be. The only questionable one imo is dee jay because of the distance combined with his sway but even then it's managable.
Coming from Ultra Street Fighter IV, I preordered this one, and when it came out. Oh boy! I was like where's the actual game and you need to pay everything to access content.
SFV at Launch was so Bad that I questioned myself as a Street Fighter Fan. Then I played my very First Street Fighter Game, which was Street Fighter Alpha 3 for the GBA and thankfully I was able to remind myself.. and I saw how a GBA Game can beat a PS4 Game in almost Every way!
great video, I always remember AFV vanilla as an outsider and felt greatly alienated, it was only after champion edition that I started getting more into it
1:45 Someone who has a PS4 retail copy of vanilla SFV may confirm (I don't have one) but I'm pretty sure if you have the physical version of a PS4 game, you can still launch it without updating, ostensibly getting you access to v1.0 vanilla SFV But I think you're correct that you can't play v1 SFV on PC legit
I enjoyed this video much more than I thought I would when seeing the title. This style of content is oddly satisfying.. maybe it's because it helps my old bum feel slightly younger? 🤣 Also RIP Floe... dude is very missed.
I picked up early disc versions hoping to experience the game but the mandatory updates did away with that. I would have liked to experience the damage or imbalances between what the characters were originally given.
You simply cannot put into words how bad this game was at launch. On fundamental gameplay level its terrible to this day, but now there actually many things to experience and play with in the game.
Ah Vanilla/Season 2 SF5: a fighting game I disliked so much that it almost single-handedly killed my love of fighting games. I’m glad that it got better, but as a lifelong Street Fighter player that doesn’t really like other fighting games, that shit hurt.
I spent $60 of my own hard earned high school money to preorder this game. I remember playing the preorder beta and being like… hm. Something about this seems off. Then the game came out and yeah it was a complete disaster.
Yep, I was there when it all went down. I remember booting the game up and making my CFN and going to find the arcade mode to see the new endings and being SO confused when there was nothing. I thought my game was bugged lol@@TiredAsl
I agree with you. I did always enjoy the game as well. I think that there may have been a lot of players that would insist that they hated the game, but would still keep playing it.
I know how much hate this version generated, but I'll be honest....I love SFV since DAY 1, even with it's lack of content and seriously it was a glorified demo at best, but I don't know I love the look of the game that screen as you say was my fav, I kinda never really liked what they did after Arcade Edition, neither the music, I liked more the vanilla themes the menu, the versus screen and the character select have.........also damn, I so glad SFV avoid the ZENNY and now we are suffering in SF6 with this annoying crap of Coins, I miss FM so badly, in the entire time SFV last, I never used real money on characters or stages, as I played everyday I have more than enough every time a brand new character got release, for all it's flaws SFV launch and the first 2 years of life the game had in the vanilla state, DLC was actually fun and reward players that stick with the game, what a CONCEPT play the game to unlock content, instead of...buy the game....and still give us MORE MONEY for every damn updated we do, like pretty much all games does and SF6 is currently doing, with it sucks in my humble opinion.
Unfortunately, no, it isn't an actual Arcade mode. None of the opponents are random (they're all fixed depending on your character), they're very short (the longest stories have like four fights, and apparently the shortest ones have *two*), and there's not even any kind of final boss (there's not even "boss" variations of the regular characters to fight at the end, like in Guilty Gear, Blazblue or other fighting games where not all characters have the same final fight). There _is_ an actual Arcade mode, but it took until Season 3 (aka Arcade Edition) to add it to the game.
I know, and I don't know how to fix the issue. I listened to the video yesterday before uploading and it sounded fine with consistent audio levels. They become weird when I upload the video file to TH-cam
It's probably due to the audio output you use. Sometimes the device you use doesn't give you a good feedback to how it will sound when compressed and on other devices.@@khanage1344
@@khanage1344don't go with your ears, they lie to you lol. Monitor your actual levels in the video editor. Have you tried using a limiter on the background audio too? I can help if you got any questions too 😁 good luck man, great video
i'm grateful for all the work capcom put into this game over the 7 years of its life. it became a much better game, and i think if the netcode and online play were better, it would still be standing on equal ground with SF 6. because you can't drive rush all over the place, getting in and breaking opponent's defense requires more effort and thought. i think there is also a much larger variety of game mechanics in 5 because there are so many more playable characters. it also has one of the best soundtracks IMO. and personally, i think the 5 brand new characters they introduced in the season 2 character DLC added a lot of excitement to the game and helped define the character of this game, and i hope see the return of characters like zeku, kolin, menat, and abigail.
There's no way on earth you're defending Vtrigger and how inconsistent the cast was. I'd rather fight drive rushing Ken's and JPs then ever return to ex move into Vtrigger: the game.
@@pretzels7437Right. I will say that DR is WAY too abrasive atm but I will never forget the ridiculousness of V-trigger. I would also take the Drive System faster than I would ever touch V-Triggers again lol
@@bartdude82to be fair the drive system is almost perfect in how it's implemented DR just needs more risk and frame deta tweaking to make "drive checks" a consistent, legitimate counter to drive rushes Essentially having an EX dash with a good amount of risk honestly sounds cool to me but I might be alone
i haven't watched the video, but before anything (already liked and suscribed), the audio is very, very low compared to other videos. Cranked it all up to 100 and it's barely audible, opened another video and the youtube ad was way louder.
I hated the launch of 5 so much that I never came back for any major updates. Chun and Nash were the best characters by a large margin and the anti air jabs drained any fun from the game for me
SFV is trash. Online was trash. Characters where trash. There was a reason why its producer was fired. The Sf6 launch was so much better. Any person loving 5 more than 6 is insane.
The only people who love the game probably love it because it was their first Outside of season 5'a great balance and a few great original characters, 5 virtually offered nothing to the franchise other then being an awkward footnote
I hate when people talk badly about sf5 when talking about 6 because it's clear people move the goalposts around and are referring to vanilla 5, rather than end of cycle 5 which is still legitimately one of my favorite fighting game. So disingenuous it drives me crazy. Nice vid btw, my post was kinda unrelated but I rarely see anyone talk about 5 anymore
@@joedatius people don't say sf5 vanilla sucked. I never see anyone make that distinction. It's always just say sf5 as a whole sucks. It happens everywhere now that 6 is out
@@JackTheRustler1332Sadly the first 2.5 years of SF was pretty freaking bad that a lot of haters bounced before it got legit good First impressions matter
@@bartdude82 but it's not. Because the last 2 years of sf5 were some of the best years balance wise for a fighting game period. Recency bias is strong with the fgc, and unfortunately, the fgc is also a big collection of the dumbass meathead types who can't think with nuance
I use to play SFIV vanilla competitively. Pound for pound it was much worse than SFV vanilla. Though at the time the mentality about balance was difference. The FGC got use to a slew of broken or imbalanced KOF games. MVc2 which was definitely the biggest game pre-SFIV had a god tier of only 4 characters. And only about 4 or 5 viable teams. CVS 2 has a Bisoj, Sakura,Vega and Sagat problem. Most high level matches can down to A groove Bison or Sakura. And C groove or K groove Sagat Balance just really wasn’t a thing during SFIV launch at all. SFIV was of course way more balanced than 3s and other competitive games at the time. But it still was far from balanced.
List of SFIV vanilla issues: Akuma roundhouse stun loop. Unblockables Chun li and Abel infinite Rufus ex snake strike did 30% Sagat cancellable at lk lead into huge damage. Sagat range was already insane and he could Kara all of his stuff. Ryu insane damage. Privileged. While other characters struggled to cancel into their ultras. Ryu had tons of ways. Ditto for Rufus If SFIV vanilla were released today it would literally die in a week. It was an arcade release and things like online play and patching wasn’t standard back then. So people just had to deal with it. And there wasn’t enough quality coming from other franchises at the time. KOF 12 was a shit show of a game and Guilty Gear was old as shit by that point. And BlazBlu CT may have had worse issues
@@MrBranh0913you nailed it. Broken messes were generally more accepted. Also people forget that SFIV had no meaningful 2D competition. KOF12 was a joke and no other 2D fighter was really coming out that made an impact SFIV vanilla is really freaking bad competitively and would be lambasted if it came out today
Oh I remember everything going around SFV when it was released. Even though there was the good the bad and the ugly with sfv i feel pretty nostalgic for it and still one of my favorite SF games in the series. I still prefer the old aesthetic compared to what it ended with. I play often still 😁
I would like to see statistics for played modes. SF5 was criticized for not having an arcade mode, but does anyone really play this mode? You can say arcade mode is a de facto standard of fighting games, but the output jack was also standard on phones, and look where it is now. Now SF6 has a lot of content, but who spends most of their time on world tour mode? I'm not a pro player at all (silver-gold), but I find these single-player modes so boring. My little community only plays training or (online) versus. I play single-player modes only for rewards (story bits, currency, etc.). What we really need is 1 - good netcode, 2 - crossplay, 3 - a perfect training mode, 4 - quality ranking, 5 - functional lobbies, and 6 - an overall story mode and character-based stories.
Single Player almost always get the higher total playtime. Sounds crazy I know but that is reality for a lot of casuals. SFV sold something like 5 million copies but if you get even a single LP you're in the top million players. Ergo, 80% never touched ranked.
@@shaunmcisaac782 Do people not really play fighting games at all then? Do they just buy them for the name? Do they buy Mortal Kombat, watch the fatalities, play the story mode for 2-3 hours, and then set it aside? Fighting games don't have campaigns like God of War or GTA. I can't imagine someone at school or work thinking, 'I can't wait to get home and spend some time in world tour or arcade mode.' I just don’t thrust that someone is grinding single player content in fighting game, maybe one and done. The sole reason of these game is competing which started in the arcades (there was leader board in arcade mode, so your name will be visible this is kind competition). When I was younger, during the PS1 and PS2 era, I disliked fighting games because I didn't see the point in playing alone. I remember liking a Soul Calibur demo at a friend's house, so I bought the game but returned it a few days later as do anything to me. Maybe this is because people hate losing. It takes time to learn (not just fighting games), and I don't understand why some expect to be good immediately. I also hate losing, especially to someone who uses gimmicks or repeats the same attacks over and over. But If you get just a little bit better in the game you start thinking about matches more, you start to see situations, you will enjoy games despite loosing.
@@I3orjoyzeeFunny enough, at least for MK, that first statement is true. I know people who genuinely only play it for the brutal aesthetics and offline content then barley touch online if at all. Plus it’s pretty much the GTA of fighting games to a younger audience. It sells off the brand alone way more than something like SF
My question is why are people making videos remembering how bad SFV was?? Let the game die in gaming hell where it belongs worry about now SF6 is here now and way better then SFV....let the game die
I could have done another 2 years of V and it was always busy online...only problems was the surfing...The hate bandwagon was always full, especially in the US.
@@adriandenton6637 still is in the US hell I played until season 3 came out and after that I stopped and then Guilty Gear Strive came out that game is definitely slept on
@@khaosleigon504 I bought strive and thought it was too fast and hectic for me...although people loved it and I bet it's still popular online, just not for me. I only get to play an hour a day so learning a new game would have been tough.
Awesome video, but sf5 was awful from start to end. Footsies non existent because of proximity block. V trigger. Lack of player expression through combos. Crush counter encouraging you to mash heavy attacks for scrubby free combos. The scrubbiest street fighter ever in terms of execution. You can mash the fuck out of each button during the combo sequence and the combo will not drop. Lots of sf5 players are complaining about sf5, and I understand why now. They're simply not good. They were use to this super 2 demensional gameplay. In sf6 theres too many options. They want to be able to stomp their opponent without them having an answer. LOL Yall remember being locked in block stun by laura when her fireball is half screen away? That was STILL in the game at the end of its life. Sf6 is the best sf since sf4.
I am not an SFV apologist at all but SF6 being the best since SF4 isn’t really saying much because it too shares a couple of problems with SFV and then some - overshadowed neutral and footsies due to overpowered DR (and to some extent DI) - also lack of combo expression with everyone taking the same burn drive meter into lvl 3 combo route etc… - DR eating inputs - raw DR being uncheckable - instant high/low 50/50s and strike/throw guesses from plus DR moves and knockdowns which dumbs down the skill needed to win if you can just guess right half the time (great for beginners and casuals tho!), -Just a random thought, but it’s funny how people tend to instantly think of and complain about vortexes when SF4 is brought up but fail to realize that this crap is a vortex in and of itself - egregious corner/midscreen throw loops - no proper high/med/low hitbox interactions which causes moves like Ken’s st.HP to run amok and not get checked the way it’s supposed to (duck and low punish/sweep) Imo, SFV and SFVI are so far, the worst gameplay designs for SF yet but I would still take 6 over 5 any day.
@@bartdude82 1.Fair but only for the top tiers 2.That’s only at the highest level, at lower levels you still have way more freedom than V 3.Fair 4.Not impossible, just hard 5.Somewhat fair but at least there are more universal answers 6.Again at least there are more universal answers in this game 7.Fair
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It's crazy how great sf6 at launch is compared to sf5. Glad they learned from their mistakes
They released Street fighter V early because they were really short on cash. They needed money quickly
@@shardofkingdoms9816 I dont know, Capcom`s cash cow has been Monster Hunter for well over a decade. Many of their other franchises do well as well. The pre-mature release of SFV probably had more to do with e-sports if anything. SFV towards the end wasnt even suppose to have a season 5, but it existed so they could work on SF6 longer.
Ah Season 1 of SFV. I can’t let go how Capcom DE-STROYED Nash after ppl complained about him in S1 and then the game proceeds to have characters twice as busted and after the fact and they still never brought Nash back from the depths. This character got killed in the first season from being in a great place and we never saw him again for the rest of the lifespan.
Vanilla felt more like a beta than a fully released game
Can confirm that CFN was not working on launch. Another little detail about that main menu, is that the shade of blue changed according to the time. During mornings it had a lighter blue, and during night time, the one being showed in the video.
I’ll second preferring Vanilla SFV’s aesthetics over Arcade/Champion edition. Not sure what it is, but the minimalistic white/blue style hud and menu theme is appealing to me. That, and the character selection screen was awesome and got you pumped up before a match.
Agreed. The more gaudy presentation of CE felt more at home in a game like Tekken or KOF to me.
I liked it as well, but forsure the newer iterations were welcomed because the game had been stale for soooooooo long
Arcade edition went overboard with gold on everything. It felt snazzy at first, and the fact that it changed at all was welcome, but it didn't take long before it got annoying.
They also cut down on some of the lighting effects on the EX and V meters, which is something I didn't realize for a while. I kind of like the look of season 1's maxed out V meter.
Same! The gold is eeeeh
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One thing that wasn’t mentioned about season 1. Reversals were invincible and didn’t require meter. So metered DPs were still a thing. Also there was an option select jump which allowed you to escape throws and beat frame traps. This was removed in season 2.
Lastly anti air jabs. Lots of characters had them and lots of them got free mixups.
The problem with season 1 was that it was too scrambly. Every situation lead to a scramble. Ken and Chun were 2 of the best scramble characters in the game. With Ryu coming in behind them.
A lot of the season 2 changes short term pissed people off. I think it took really till season 4 to get the formula right. Because season 3 had the Abigail problem. And season 2 was so centered around robbery V-triggers.
Season 4 started the final meta of whiff punish and cr.mk fighter V. But I also think the game because very stale too. And kind of boring.
This is why SF6 really need to keep the fun and spirit of characters. Without taking the fun and interesting stuff from them.
Granted we are in the first season but SF6 might be heading down the same path of seasons until it becomes properly balanced.
- Raw DR completely overshadows neutral play (DI kinda plays a role in this as well but not as egregious)
- DR still eating inputs
- Instant 50/50 mixups from DR moves
- Strike/Throw vortex from knockdowns/DR moves
- Corner and midscreen throw loops
- No established high/med/low game. For example, doesn’t make sense for Ken’s st.HP (a HIGH move) to connect on a low crouching Cammy or Juri. This move has always been duckable since SF2 days. The punch doesn’t even touch their heads but it still connects on block/hit. Same goes for a lot of standing jabs in this game. Hitbox interactions are janky.
The current meta is to force 50/50s any chance you can get. Or basically, whoever can force the 50/50 first. Idk what this new formula for SF that Capcom is pushing as of late, but I’m not a fan at all.
Was also worth a mention that the transition from the betas to the vanilla release also left a bad taste in some people’s mouths, the beta had some cool tech like mika resets and the like that got removed in the release version and gave the game a bit of a neutered feel, the removal of crouch tech made offense really oppressive for the first while as it was a staple defensive option going back to 3s and the EX games
I remember a lot of people saying the game just felt basic and the copium of “Bro we just haven’t discovered the stuff yet” was there for the first year or so
I still cant believe this game launched in such a barebones state and people defended it ahhh.
More people defend mk1 which has wwwaaaayyyy less
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@@llamabot9889no it has a full story mode what are you talking about
People STILL defend it, but those people didn't play at launch either and are esports consoomers
SF4 vanilla and SFV vanilla were the most horrid in the entire franchise. I use to lightly joke with my buddies that SFEX3 was better than SFV before Champion edition 😂. But they low-key knew I meant it.
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This entire section is wrong.
The Bustling Sidestreet stage was initially THE ONLY stage in vanilla SFV that had the stage transitions working. You could bust someone through the wall and expand into the diner, and then get smacked into the cramped kitchen and get noodles on their head.
And the noodles would stay on their head for the rest of the match, as long as they didn't get hit or blocked an attack again.
I remember my friends and I would joke around about "Noodles Challenges" where we'd go for a Perfect on Round 3/Final Round in order to keep the noodles on our head(s) for the win screen.
Yeah man, when it came out I was like "all the people hating on lack of content are FILTHY CASUALS who don't know that the real enjoyment of fighting games is just playing against other people." And well, in that department, the game was there. Online, offline vs, training mode. But everything else... eeesh. Though tbf, Overwatch launched the same year and there also wasn't anything else but online play, and everybody loved that, so idk. At least League is free. But CS:GO wasn't at the time.
I was so defensive about it, because I got into fighting games few years before that and, well, SFIV was in full swing by that time, not to mention it was just a hard game in general for a total newcomer. So I thought that SFV would be my chance. Yeah, I was an apologist, so what.
Oh, the stage transitions/finishers: yeah, they were added later (not for any of the DLC stages, though), but the Bustling Side Street was there from the start. I'm positive. It was the only stage that had it for a long time.
Anyway, I honestly also kinda prefer the original UI. Like, it was nothing, but it was a very clean nothing. We all liked the Arcade Edition overhaul because it was something new and, at least in my mind, it could've hinted at some bigger story developments/implications, especially with G. Or, at the very least, that we would've gotten yet another overhaul at some point, like Tekken 7 did during that time. And none of those things happened. I especially mourn the loss of the original VS screen. Because the VS looked like V and 5, which is, you know, kinda corny, but also kinda cute. Same with the Character Select screen, there's that deliberate V in there. And boy, the Character Select theme. That was like, the only speck of this game's identity, to me. (Along with Ring of Power's theme.) I still listen to it sometimes, it's miles better than what we got now.
but at least the v-system and ex bars look like batteries now, so that's funny
I remember playing the beta as Laura and enjoying it enough for me to really want the full version. I remember saving some money getting SFV alongside a PS4 in my university days, when the GameStop near my favorite gym was still open, which my parents probably would have advised against. I remember having to wait an extra few days to order a Brooks Converter for my ps3 fightsticks. I remember how bored I got of fighting Necalli on the waterfall stage for Survival. I remember how strange it was how odd the story mode art felt because of how little it looked like the in-game designs especially for proportions. I remember how relieved I was when they began releasing Season 1 dlc, and how exciting it was that Guile and Alex were free for a certain period.
Overall, it's interesting to see how a game has post-development now with all these patches; it makes it a lot harder to revisit the past of a fighting game compared to the separate releases that Street Fighter along with other fighting games have had.z
Thanks for this trip down memory lane.
Something that I'd like to make note of regarding Survival Mode at launch- not only did you have to unlock colors for each individual character, but you had to unlock colors separately for each individual *costume*!
Vanilla SFV almost killed the series credibility entirely. It took years of work just to make it a decent game and until SF6 to regain its glory as the premiere fighting game.
Regardless of the failure of the sf5, it had the best costume designs in all of street fighter.
The Mega Man costumes are the greatest of all time not even close.
Another Blue Menu enjoyer here. I loved the Blue version and wish you could switch back to it. Wasn't a big fan of the while version, and while the blue menu music wasn't something special, the white menu music was too bombastic for my taste.
Another thing you couldn't do in vanilla SFV was REMATCH online. Yes, all online matches were one and done affairs during the first weeks. Add to that the huge amount of ragequiters and no real repercussion to ragequiting, the loading times before every match and Online was a sad experience overall during the first months.
SF5 honestly immediately fell into a rut and never recovered until right before SF6 was about to drop. SF6 basically did the complete opposite of 5 in terms of execution and accessibility, it's wild.
rip floe
I played Street Fighter V Champion Edition from the start of this year until the start of June and it has a charm I miss now that I'm playing Street Fighter 6.
I got that shi like on November 2022 it was ight but it was my first fighting game
I miss the way that Charlie and Ryu and Mika were in vanilla sfv, they were super fun before nerfs
Honestly sfv launch was so abysmal and season 2 was so shite that general long lasting opinions stemming from both really shaped how sf6 was released, how its system is designed and is currently handling its balance. It fundamentally changed how Capcom approached development for the better in all honesty
handling its balance? no patches for a year?
@adriandenton6637 what needs patching? top tier nerfs so people can complain about the next round of top tiers? people are spoiled by constant patches these days
@@nnme576DR needs a HUGE overhaul. That in and of itself is what requires patching.
@@bartdude82 can u tell me what about drive rush needs fixing?
@@bartdude82It works entirely as intended. Sure it's very strong in neutral at low levels but you can check it and it costs an important resource. In combos it's expensive and strong as it should be. The only questionable one imo is dee jay because of the distance combined with his sway but even then it's managable.
Dropped a like for the el-p mention. Love rtj
Coming from Ultra Street Fighter IV, I preordered this one, and when it came out. Oh boy! I was like where's the actual game and you need to pay everything to access content.
sf5 on launch feels like an xbox 360/ps3 game tbh
SFV at Launch was so Bad that I questioned myself as a Street Fighter Fan. Then I played my very First Street Fighter Game, which was Street Fighter Alpha 3 for the GBA and thankfully I was able to remind myself.. and I saw how a GBA Game can beat a PS4 Game in almost Every way!
The artwork of Ken when first mentioning Bengus is from the Capcon Classics Collection Vol. 2 version of Street Fighter I.
Oh crap. I wasn't actually watching the video and just listening - I thought this was for Vanilla SF4
great video, I always remember AFV vanilla as an outsider and felt greatly alienated, it was only after champion edition that I started getting more into it
1:45 Someone who has a PS4 retail copy of vanilla SFV may confirm (I don't have one) but I'm pretty sure if you have the physical version of a PS4 game, you can still launch it without updating, ostensibly getting you access to v1.0 vanilla SFV
But I think you're correct that you can't play v1 SFV on PC legit
So is it possible to deactivate the auto-update on ps4?
We needed that bad sfv vanilla to get the fantastic sf6 vanilla.
I enjoyed this video much more than I thought I would when seeing the title. This style of content is oddly satisfying.. maybe it's because it helps my old bum feel slightly younger? 🤣
Also RIP Floe... dude is very missed.
I miss this game idk why miss my dude gill and dan hibiki
I picked up early disc versions hoping to experience the game but the mandatory updates did away with that. I would have liked to experience the damage or imbalances between what the characters were originally given.
9:59
is that ryu with only 2 bars of super?
I miss Abigail, Nash and Mika :(
You simply cannot put into words how bad this game was at launch. On fundamental gameplay level its terrible to this day, but now there actually many things to experience and play with in the game.
I wish this game was on Xbox or backwards compatible. SF6 being my first SF, I always enjoyed the look of SFV gameplay
thank you for the cookie bro
You're very welcome
Ah Vanilla/Season 2 SF5: a fighting game I disliked so much that it almost single-handedly killed my love of fighting games. I’m glad that it got better, but as a lifelong Street Fighter player that doesn’t really like other fighting games, that shit hurt.
the only good thing about vanilla SFV was the character select theme
damn vanilla 5 was bad. always was.
Baby on the sticks is tuff lmao
Thanks for the cookie, fam 🍪
No mention of the ROOTKIT?
Ooh yes a new video
Thanks for the cookie!
RIP flo
could you pleeeaase do a tutorial on how to launch the vanilla setup?
I spent $60 of my own hard earned high school money to preorder this game. I remember playing the preorder beta and being like… hm. Something about this seems off. Then the game came out and yeah it was a complete disaster.
Damn like 6 years ago?
Yep, I was there when it all went down. I remember booting the game up and making my CFN and going to find the arcade mode to see the new endings and being SO confused when there was nothing. I thought my game was bugged lol@@TiredAsl
When's the next umvc guide? 👀
I always enjoyed it, and it was always busy online...so to be honest all the bandwagon hate was just social media noise.
I agree with you. I did always enjoy the game as well. I think that there may have been a lot of players that would insist that they hated the game, but would still keep playing it.
In vanilla I’m using R.Mika and whipping mfs off the wall all day then they gotta take a mix every time!
I know how much hate this version generated, but I'll be honest....I love SFV since DAY 1, even with it's lack of content and seriously it was a glorified demo at best, but I don't know I love the look of the game that screen as you say was my fav, I kinda never really liked what they did after Arcade Edition, neither the music, I liked more the vanilla themes the menu, the versus screen and the character select have.........also damn, I so glad SFV avoid the ZENNY and now we are suffering in SF6 with this annoying crap of Coins, I miss FM so badly, in the entire time SFV last, I never used real money on characters or stages, as I played everyday I have more than enough every time a brand new character got release, for all it's flaws SFV launch and the first 2 years of life the game had in the vanilla state, DLC was actually fun and reward players that stick with the game, what a CONCEPT play the game to unlock content, instead of...buy the game....and still give us MORE MONEY for every damn updated we do, like pretty much all games does and SF6 is currently doing, with it sucks in my humble opinion.
during ongoing crackdown on pc mods
They better not come for palette swap
Und there so many smug people under angry joe review of sf5 saying that video aged badly
the SF5 launch was... bad. hell, I remember there being a rootkit controversy.
isnt the character stories arcade mode?
just a really short one.
arcade mode is the mode where you destroy the trucks right?
Unfortunately, no, it isn't an actual Arcade mode.
None of the opponents are random (they're all fixed depending on your character), they're very short (the longest stories have like four fights, and apparently the shortest ones have *two*), and there's not even any kind of final boss (there's not even "boss" variations of the regular characters to fight at the end, like in Guilty Gear, Blazblue or other fighting games where not all characters have the same final fight).
There _is_ an actual Arcade mode, but it took until Season 3 (aka Arcade Edition) to add it to the game.
Your audio levels are always off, sometimes the music is too loud and other times your voice is way low.
I know, and I don't know how to fix the issue. I listened to the video yesterday before uploading and it sounded fine with consistent audio levels. They become weird when I upload the video file to TH-cam
It's probably due to the audio output you use. Sometimes the device you use doesn't give you a good feedback to how it will sound when compressed and on other devices.@@khanage1344
@@khanage1344 have you tried other audio mixer softwares for mixing and/or other browsers for uploading?
@@khanage1344don't go with your ears, they lie to you lol. Monitor your actual levels in the video editor. Have you tried using a limiter on the background audio too? I can help if you got any questions too 😁 good luck man, great video
Audio levels too quiet
This came in my recommended
i'm grateful for all the work capcom put into this game over the 7 years of its life. it became a much better game, and i think if the netcode and online play were better, it would still be standing on equal ground with SF 6. because you can't drive rush all over the place, getting in and breaking opponent's defense requires more effort and thought. i think there is also a much larger variety of game mechanics in 5 because there are so many more playable characters. it also has one of the best soundtracks IMO. and personally, i think the 5 brand new characters they introduced in the season 2 character DLC added a lot of excitement to the game and helped define the character of this game, and i hope see the return of characters like zeku, kolin, menat, and abigail.
There's no way on earth you're defending Vtrigger and how inconsistent the cast was. I'd rather fight drive rushing Ken's and JPs then ever return to ex move into Vtrigger: the game.
@@pretzels7437Right. I will say that DR is WAY too abrasive atm but I will never forget the ridiculousness of V-trigger. I would also take the Drive System faster than I would ever touch V-Triggers again lol
@@bartdude82to be fair the drive system is almost perfect in how it's implemented
DR just needs more risk and frame deta tweaking to make "drive checks" a consistent, legitimate counter to drive rushes
Essentially having an EX dash with a good amount of risk honestly sounds cool to me but I might be alone
SFV Ono edition
i haven't watched the video, but before anything (already liked and suscribed), the audio is very, very low compared to other videos. Cranked it all up to 100 and it's barely audible, opened another video and the youtube ad was way louder.
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You're welcome, based Kitoro
sfv launch was so bad that i still wont touch it with a 10ft pole. f that game
The game is great now
What ruined SFV was that they paid too much attention to the competitive scene and pro players.
No? 8 frames of delay made the game almost unplayable at a competitive level it was trash.
@@kye4216 That doesn't change the fact that Capcom tried to appeal quite a bit to the competitive scene.
They just did it very poorly.
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Rip Floe
I hated the launch of 5 so much that I never came back for any major updates. Chun and Nash were the best characters by a large margin and the anti air jabs drained any fun from the game for me
afk fight money farming
Man if you don't retire this garbage 😂😂😂
I still don't like this game at all, I think all the UI sucks, and you have to go through that to get into a fight, then the fight also sucks a lot.
What an horrible street fighter
SFV is trash. Online was trash. Characters where trash. There was a reason why its producer was fired. The Sf6 launch was so much better. Any person loving 5 more than 6 is insane.
The only people who love the game probably love it because it was their first
Outside of season 5'a great balance and a few great original characters, 5 virtually offered nothing to the franchise other then being an awkward footnote
I hate when people talk badly about sf5 when talking about 6 because it's clear people move the goalposts around and are referring to vanilla 5, rather than end of cycle 5 which is still legitimately one of my favorite fighting game.
So disingenuous it drives me crazy.
Nice vid btw, my post was kinda unrelated but I rarely see anyone talk about 5 anymore
That's not disingenuous. People are comparing the begining of SFV to SF6 which is during its beginning.
@@joedatius people don't say sf5 vanilla sucked. I never see anyone make that distinction. It's always just say sf5 as a whole sucks. It happens everywhere now that 6 is out
@@JackTheRustler1332Sadly the first 2.5 years of SF was pretty freaking bad that a lot of haters bounced before it got legit good
First impressions matter
@@JackTheRustler1332well the first half of SFV left a sour taste in a lot of people’s mouths and we end up collectively saying that SFV is trash.
@@bartdude82 but it's not. Because the last 2 years of sf5 were some of the best years balance wise for a fighting game period.
Recency bias is strong with the fgc, and unfortunately, the fgc is also a big collection of the dumbass meathead types who can't think with nuance
you want to play a bad street fighter game? vanilla sf4 is even worse.
No it wasn't. It was a million times better than ANY VERSION of SHIT FIGHTER V.
I use to play SFIV vanilla competitively. Pound for pound it was much worse than SFV vanilla. Though at the time the mentality about balance was difference.
The FGC got use to a slew of broken or imbalanced KOF games. MVc2 which was definitely the biggest game pre-SFIV had a god tier of only 4 characters. And only about 4 or 5 viable teams.
CVS 2 has a Bisoj, Sakura,Vega and Sagat problem. Most high level matches can down to A groove Bison or Sakura. And C groove or K groove Sagat
Balance just really wasn’t a thing during SFIV launch at all. SFIV was of course way more balanced than 3s and other competitive games at the time. But it still was far from balanced.
List of SFIV vanilla issues:
Akuma roundhouse stun loop.
Unblockables
Chun li and Abel infinite
Rufus ex snake strike did 30%
Sagat cancellable at lk lead into huge damage.
Sagat range was already insane and he could Kara all of his stuff.
Ryu insane damage. Privileged. While other characters struggled to cancel into their ultras. Ryu had tons of ways. Ditto for Rufus
If SFIV vanilla were released today it would literally die in a week. It was an arcade release and things like online play and patching wasn’t standard back then. So people just had to deal with it. And there wasn’t enough quality coming from other franchises at the time. KOF 12 was a shit show of a game and Guilty Gear was old as shit by that point. And BlazBlu CT may have had worse issues
@@MrBranh0913you nailed it.
Broken messes were generally more accepted. Also people forget that SFIV had no meaningful 2D competition. KOF12 was a joke and no other 2D fighter was really coming out that made an impact
SFIV vanilla is really freaking bad competitively and would be lambasted if it came out today
Hmmm
Nice video. But sfv sucks 😅
Oh I remember everything going around SFV when it was released. Even though there was the good the bad and the ugly with sfv i feel pretty nostalgic for it and still one of my favorite SF games in the series. I still prefer the old aesthetic compared to what it ended with.
I play often still 😁
No doubt the worst street fighter ever and probably the most terrible fighting gamer ever made.
I would like to see statistics for played modes. SF5 was criticized for not having an arcade mode, but does anyone really play this mode? You can say arcade mode is a de facto standard of fighting games, but the output jack was also standard on phones, and look where it is now. Now SF6 has a lot of content, but who spends most of their time on world tour mode? I'm not a pro player at all (silver-gold), but I find these single-player modes so boring. My little community only plays training or (online) versus. I play single-player modes only for rewards (story bits, currency, etc.). What we really need is 1 - good netcode, 2 - crossplay, 3 - a perfect training mode, 4 - quality ranking, 5 - functional lobbies, and 6 - an overall story mode and character-based stories.
I only play online, played SFV from the start and always enjoyed it...played arcade about 5 or 6 times in 6 years.
Single Player almost always get the higher total playtime.
Sounds crazy I know but that is reality for a lot of casuals.
SFV sold something like 5 million copies but if you get even a single LP you're in the top million players.
Ergo, 80% never touched ranked.
@@shaunmcisaac782 7 mill copies
@@shaunmcisaac782 Do people not really play fighting games at all then? Do they just buy them for the name? Do they buy Mortal Kombat, watch the fatalities, play the story mode for 2-3 hours, and then set it aside? Fighting games don't have campaigns like God of War or GTA. I can't imagine someone at school or work thinking, 'I can't wait to get home and spend some time in world tour or arcade mode.' I just don’t thrust that someone is grinding single player content in fighting game, maybe one and done. The sole reason of these game is competing which started in the arcades (there was leader board in arcade mode, so your name will be visible this is kind competition).
When I was younger, during the PS1 and PS2 era, I disliked fighting games because I didn't see the point in playing alone. I remember liking a Soul Calibur demo at a friend's house, so I bought the game but returned it a few days later as do anything to me.
Maybe this is because people hate losing. It takes time to learn (not just fighting games), and I don't understand why some expect to be good immediately. I also hate losing, especially to someone who uses gimmicks or repeats the same attacks over and over. But If you get just a little bit better in the game you start thinking about matches more, you start to see situations, you will enjoy games despite loosing.
@@I3orjoyzeeFunny enough, at least for MK, that first statement is true. I know people who genuinely only play it for the brutal aesthetics and offline content then barley touch online if at all.
Plus it’s pretty much the GTA of fighting games to a younger audience. It sells off the brand alone way more than something like SF
My question is why are people making videos remembering how bad SFV was?? Let the game die in gaming hell where it belongs worry about now SF6 is here now and way better then SFV....let the game die
I could have done another 2 years of V and it was always busy online...only problems was the surfing...The hate bandwagon was always full, especially in the US.
@@adriandenton6637 still is in the US hell I played until season 3 came out and after that I stopped and then Guilty Gear Strive came out that game is definitely slept on
@@khaosleigon504 I bought strive and thought it was too fast and hectic for me...although people loved it and I bet it's still popular online, just not for me. I only get to play an hour a day so learning a new game would have been tough.
@@adriandenton6637 understandable but believe it or not Strive is the easiest GG game that ever came out
@@khaosleigon504 yea ive seen accent core and Xrd....air dash didnt feel intuitive and I didnt get the neutral..very different from SF.
Awesome video, but sf5 was awful from start to end. Footsies non existent because of proximity block. V trigger. Lack of player expression through combos. Crush counter encouraging you to mash heavy attacks for scrubby free combos. The scrubbiest street fighter ever in terms of execution. You can mash the fuck out of each button during the combo sequence and the combo will not drop. Lots of sf5 players are complaining about sf5, and I understand why now.
They're simply not good. They were use to this super 2 demensional gameplay. In sf6 theres too many options. They want to be able to stomp their opponent without them having an answer.
LOL Yall remember being locked in block stun by laura when her fireball is half screen away? That was STILL in the game at the end of its life. Sf6 is the best sf since sf4.
I am not an SFV apologist at all but SF6 being the best since SF4 isn’t really saying much because it too shares a couple of problems with SFV and then some
- overshadowed neutral and footsies due to overpowered DR (and to some extent DI)
- also lack of combo expression with everyone taking the same burn drive meter into lvl 3 combo route etc…
- DR eating inputs
- raw DR being uncheckable
- instant high/low 50/50s and strike/throw guesses from plus DR moves and knockdowns which dumbs down the skill needed to win if you can just guess right half the time (great for beginners and casuals tho!),
-Just a random thought, but it’s funny how people tend to instantly think of and complain about vortexes when SF4 is brought up but fail to realize that this crap is a vortex in and of itself
- egregious corner/midscreen throw loops
- no proper high/med/low hitbox interactions which causes moves like Ken’s st.HP to run amok and not get checked the way it’s supposed to (duck and low punish/sweep)
Imo, SFV and SFVI are so far, the worst gameplay designs for SF yet but I would still take 6 over 5 any day.
@@bartdude82 1.Fair but only for the top tiers
2.That’s only at the highest level, at lower levels you still have way more freedom than V
3.Fair
4.Not impossible, just hard
5.Somewhat fair but at least there are more universal answers
6.Again at least there are more universal answers in this game
7.Fair