This video is about NOT ON THE PAY ROLL. i do not do favors i do not take money from equipment manufacturers. i am m y own person doing my own thing so deal with it...
I'm a Massey Ferguson guy. Wes you nailed it. Pure an simple. AGCO bought out Massey Hesston & a slew of others. Now look at original equipment vs AGCO equipment. World's apart. Thick metal vs tin can. Appreciate your input and your honest opinion Wes.
Thank you for offering REAL reviews of farm equipment - we need more of these honest reviews, than the company/dealer sponsored videos showing only the "good parts" of equipment that are taking over on TH-cam.
Only place your equipment recommendations go off the rails is in application. Other farmers can have wildly different applications, budgets, field conditions, customer demands, etc that make the equipment you would generally recommend very wrong for someone else. These is no single piece of equipment that's right for everyone. Absolutely appreciate your extremely opinionated perspective though. Not all of it I'd agree with, but its way better to have an opinion and put it out there than have nothing to say.
so Messick what you are saying is that Wes is once again full of shit and doesn't know what he is talking about. As you being one of the sponsors to this channel this must be very embarrassing
Wes talked a lot about safety problems with the Massey, you don't want your investment going up in flames. Seems they should address some of these safety concerns in the future.
Messick Farm Equipment if any brand of equipment has a weak spot, I'm convinced Wes should find it. I disagree with people who say he abuses equipment, I think the scale of his operation is something that engineers aren't factoring into designs. Equipment has gotten more delicate as it gets smarter. Pequea was on to something when they had him field test equipment. The hours and acres covered from Wes should show weak spots.
I sell farm equipment myself as a career, and also represent some of the manufacturers you showcase on your channel. If I don't hear about what problems you or other farmers have with gear, either if they are minor gripes, or full blown POS's, I will not know what to tell the manufacturers and tell them "i lost the deal because of...". So again, Wes, thanks for keeping us all informed. too many people now a days react on feelings, rather than facts or personal opinions.
Could you do a video of all your mowers mowing the same field at the same time? That would be a pretty awesome sight to see I would think, not sure how practical it would be. You'd know better than me. Awesome video as always.
Wes I have been following your videos since you came over to England and met The Legend and George and your videos are brilliant and you say it as it is,keep em coming.
I enjoy your videos very much. You are right on. You made many good points pro and con about the MF mower. You are partial to John Deere and I to CaseIH. So be it, I respect your opinions. You have to select equipment that will meet your farming operation and expectations that will increase profitablility. Obviously the MF mower doesn't. Keep up the good work and I hope you have a successful and profitable hay crop in 2017.
I used to work for an agco dealer and had many custom operators running the 9870 Massey swathers and had very few problems with them would out perform the Deere or new Holland swathers running in alfalfa, crp grass,forage sorghum that was 15ft tall and very thick running 7-10mph in that stuff. Now I'm not saying the machines you have are crap in any way and very one has there own opinion on things I fully understand that but you don't know the true test to a swather until you run one in 15ft tall and thick forage sorghum. and by the way I fully support you in what you do👍👍
The only Massey product I care for is the model 275 and 1155 tractor from the 70's that my grandfather farmed with. Those were good tractors. Tough as a tank. I remember working many hours on the 275 raking hay. When it came to harvest the 1155 would pull an old versatile pull type combine. Even the 275 could pull that combine no problem. They just don't make good stuff like they used to Wes.
Your opinions are appreciated by the hard working folks that rarely get the chance to comment. All machines have their good and bad points and certainly there are always lemons produced by all manufacturers.
My New Holland disk mower was actually made by a French company called "Kuhn." I can get parts for it at the Case dealer or the JD dealer, because many of their disc mowers were made by Kuhn also (or if I want to get really creative, I can get parts at a Kuhn dealer). One of my CASE tractors was made by David Brown, who started out in partnership with Harry Ferguson (It was Ferguson Brown long before it was Massey Ferguson). Parts for it are common to CASE, DB and Massey Ferguson. Thing is, these relationships change every few years, so in order to figure out who actually made what, you have to know what year it was made and track it through the supply line. That's one of the things that make the red vs blue vs green vs orange tractor rivalry so amusing.
I could care less if you were payed for endorsements. I feel that you tell things like they are regardless of any benefit to you. I enjoy your videos and the opinions expressed. I would like to see longer videos but beggars can't be choosy. Best to you and your family.
Wes I love Massey Ferguson. I also like living. I also like Deere. I never operated a piece of agriculture equipment from the twenty first century of any brand. I'm not butt hurt over your comment about the Massey mower. I'm grateful for your insights in a industry I maybe going into I'm still gonna buy Massey tractors but definitely not mowers (before your revise came out I heard bad things about it just didn't know how bad it was) anyway thanks for all you do your a lendgend in your time
Every brand has their good and bad points. Doesn't matter if it's JD vs. CNH vs. AGCO or Ford vs. GM vs. Ram. Whatever you're looking at, here will be pros and cons. Sometimes they really get it right, other times you get a real dud and it all depends on your application and expectations. Doesn't matter if you're talking farm equipment, trucks, washing machines, stamping presses, or cordless power tools.
I have a International and a Long and love them both, I had a John deer and it was in the shop more than in the field, I hated it and damn near gave it away to get it off my farm!
Okay Wes tell us how you really feel! Your operation is of a nature that pushes the limits of the equipment, not that you're abusing it but you're definitely finding what limits are and sometimes the manufacturers are finding out the limits aren't where they thought they were. It would appear some manufacturers have decided that if they can make a piece of equipment that stands up in your operation they know they have a production ready equipment. I have watched your relationship with Khrone/Messick's with interest, I think both organizations learned a lot quickly. In the long run your video documentation of the performance of your Khrone baler is something of value to Khrone. It would appear that if they keep your baler running well they are getting more advertising than what they could buy, but some of that value also comes with some worts as you are also showing ny weak spots in the equipment.
onelonleyfarmer Well,you told the truth about MF,(it means what it says HAHA) that"thing"is a death trap on wheels Wes.I posted a comment about the engineering and design of that machine should be under a"DO NOT BUY"listing.If it catches fire,the only way out is to kick out the window to the right of the operating position and not break anything on the way down. Excellent video once AGAIN Wes...🚜💨💨💨💨💨💨💨💨💨.(my picture is a 9620R by the way)
onelonleyfarmer I am a new subscriber and I just wanted to say I like your videos and a farmer that makes 5000 Acres of hay you should know what you're doing by now if the trolls don't like it they can kiss your butt they ain't running your farm you are so just keep on doing what you're doing and keep throwing them videos out cuz I like it a lot lol
it boils down to this its your money you buy what you want or can afford i personly like john deere i have grown up with deere but i do have a couple differnt machines other than deere it was convient to get at the time when needed
This is how it works I'm a mechanic. The same lines you see large name vehicles come from are the same as every other vehicle maker just large plots of shit. Some metal is better than others. Some metal rots less some rots more. Don't be surprised by the building line making the same product because they THE "ENGINEERS" BUILDER will chose AND NOT EVEN THE DESIGNER CHOOSES THE CHEAPEST LINE REGARDLESS OF THE PROPER WAY BEST WAY TO BUILD/ FABRICATE ITEMS.. IT WILL ALWAYS BE THE CHEAPEST EASIER WAY OUT. The USA has been sold..
You should check out the MacDon windrowers John Deere actually gets them to build it for them the model M155 is nice you can turn the cab around to go 30 miles an hour to travel to the next field
My question is: why do people have to be jerk neighbors and start conflicts? I had one from 1996 to 2003. Guy kept truss passing in our fenced yard, opened our shed more then once and looked inside. It was because of him we had to start locking or doors. from 1980 till 1996 we never locked our doors unless going out of town. Not even at night.
pull type ARE more reliable than self propelled because less things that can go wrong, you can see things that are in the way etc. Sure self propelled are faster and more comfortable.
Larry Page Your pull types need a tractor. Consider the costs/reliability involved in the combination. Compare them based on acres covered. Put value on acres covered per hour.
would it be of any benefit getting a hold of some of the heat shielding similar to the stuff on the front of the Case windrower and wrapping it round the battery to shed off some of the heat? just a thought i had. keep up the good work I do look forward to finishing on the farm here in the UK and catching up with the latest OLF shenanigans!!
Companies need to spend time with people that use equipment and design it from there. Then after realeasing the new model take it to farmers and have them quality test it like Pequay. Get it right with real people and not a computer.
most people dont realize Case Owns Newholland when i pay for my equipment its made out to CIH love the videos brother and i agree with everything you said
Everyone is aloud an option and I like case ih but it doesn't mean I wouldn't go with other brands because the all have the place this has nothing to do with tractor brands but I found cheap silver line drill bits can be better then some Milwaukee bits you haft to shop around you will be suppressed sometimes.
One thing that most folks don't realize is what your showing on TH-cam in your videos is what you want folks to see and hopefully learn from. All these others that are having issues probably aren't going to show all the issues that they are having.
Thanks for great rant! That was an awesome piece about the snowflakes. LOL! At least I know why you aren't using a pull type mower. Vermeer is pushing their pull mowers very hard right now as the cure to end all ills.
Wes you have Experience before opinion the best by far ! The offended dongs darn opinionated new guys have very little experience never got any good advise out of a sales brochure or a dong .
5500 acres. I don't think I've seen him in a field bigger than 50 acres so that's 100 different fields at a minimum. You would have to live in 1 baler to cover that ground
I'm a Massey Ferguson guy. Wes you nailed it. Pure an simple. AGCO bought out Massey Hesston & a slew of others. Now look at original equipment vs AGCO equipment. World's apart. Thick metal vs tin can. Appreciate your input and your honest opinion Wes.
AGCO is ruining reputation of the brands they represent!
Thank you for offering REAL reviews of farm equipment - we need more of these honest reviews, than the company/dealer sponsored videos showing only the "good parts" of equipment that are taking over on TH-cam.
KCautodoctor amen to that...
Man... That's what I like about OLF, not afraid to tell it like it is. No need to worry about sugar coating. lol.
its nice to hear some one with a honest opinion
Only place your equipment recommendations go off the rails is in application. Other farmers can have wildly different applications, budgets, field conditions, customer demands, etc that make the equipment you would generally recommend very wrong for someone else. These is no single piece of equipment that's right for everyone.
Absolutely appreciate your extremely opinionated perspective though. Not all of it I'd agree with, but its way better to have an opinion and put it out there than have nothing to say.
Messick Farm Equipment hear hear 👂
so Messick what you are saying is that Wes is once again full of shit and doesn't know what he is talking about. As you being one of the sponsors to this channel this must be very embarrassing
Hey Joe as being a hay baling contractor for 29 years not one year nor conditions are ever the same.
Wes talked a lot about safety problems with the Massey, you don't want your investment going up in flames. Seems they should address some of these safety concerns in the future.
Messick Farm Equipment if any brand of equipment has a weak spot, I'm convinced Wes should find it. I disagree with people who say he abuses equipment, I think the scale of his operation is something that engineers aren't factoring into designs. Equipment has gotten more delicate as it gets smarter. Pequea was on to something when they had him field test equipment. The hours and acres covered from Wes should show weak spots.
I sell farm equipment myself as a career, and also represent some of the manufacturers you showcase on your channel.
If I don't hear about what problems you or other farmers have with gear, either if they are minor gripes, or full blown POS's, I will not know what to tell the manufacturers and tell them "i lost the deal because of...". So again, Wes, thanks for keeping us all informed.
too many people now a days react on feelings, rather than facts or personal opinions.
Wes,I enjoy your opinion,spot on as far as I'm concerned. If people don't like it,they can piss up a rope.
Tell it like it is Wes. thumbs up.
I believe that the old non DPF equipment will be problem free longer because they get rid of all that heat vs. holding it on the engine.
these videos are always excellent talking about everyone else's feeling
Love the snow scene ! Tell it like it is, THATS why I watch your videos!!!!!!!!!
The information you provide is important to farmers. Demand dictates change...go get em. May the rain fall right on plan. Good luck on 2nd crop.
tell it like it is .... even if you are paid .. honesty is the best way
another great video Wes and congrats on reaching 80k subscribers...that silver play button is almost there!
Would you buy another 2008 case or nh if you found one with low hours?
that is exactly one of the big reasons I like your channel wes you speak your mind and don't sugar coat a thing please KEEP IT UP.....
How many properties do you mow, and how do you keep track of them, and the finances of it all?
G'day Wes, love your videos keep up the great work.
nice vid Wes keep em coming
I had no idea that anybody made hay with snow on it. Unthinkable here in Indiana.
John Deere does to give you something! A monthly bill!
wi11y1960 to right you are
Chucke2009 gave you a nice plug in today's video Keep the videos coming
Could you do a video of all your mowers mowing the same field at the same time? That would be a pretty awesome sight to see I would think, not sure how practical it would be. You'd know better than me. Awesome video as always.
Great video Wes
thats why your one of the best farming related youtubers out there you tell it as you you see it great video thanks wes
Do people still not realize CNH is all one company?
Tigersfan829 yes.
Wes have you still got the Cat loader?
Wes I have been following your videos since you came over to England and met The Legend and George and your videos are brilliant and you say it as it is,keep em coming.
i enjoy all your videos, you tell it like it is.
pull types also start to hurt your neck after a while because you are constantly looking back.
Also great video.
I enjoy your videos very much. You are right on. You made many good points pro and con about the MF mower. You are partial to John Deere and I to CaseIH. So be it, I respect your opinions. You have to select equipment that will meet your farming operation and expectations that will increase profitablility. Obviously the MF mower doesn't. Keep up the good work and I hope you have a successful and profitable hay crop in 2017.
will you ever replace the bale wagon or the 7410 as needed??????????
love your vids keep up the work
At the start of the video you said it perfectly,thanks for making my day.
I used to work for an agco dealer and had many custom operators running the 9870 Massey swathers and had very few problems with them would out perform the Deere or new Holland swathers running in alfalfa, crp grass,forage sorghum that was 15ft tall and very thick running 7-10mph in that stuff. Now I'm not saying the machines you have are crap in any way and very one has there own opinion on things I fully understand that but you don't know the true test to a swather until you run one in 15ft tall and thick forage sorghum. and by the way I fully support you in what you do👍👍
The only Massey product I care for is the model 275 and 1155 tractor from the 70's that my grandfather farmed with. Those were good tractors. Tough as a tank. I remember working many hours on the 275 raking hay. When it came to harvest the 1155 would pull an old versatile pull type combine. Even the 275 could pull that combine no problem. They just don't make good stuff like they used to Wes.
Your opinions are appreciated by the hard working folks that rarely get the chance to comment. All machines have their good and bad points and certainly there are always lemons produced by all manufacturers.
My New Holland disk mower was actually made by a French company called "Kuhn." I can get parts for it at the Case dealer or the JD dealer, because many of their disc mowers were made by Kuhn also (or if I want to get really creative, I can get parts at a Kuhn dealer). One of my CASE tractors was made by David Brown, who started out in partnership with Harry Ferguson (It was Ferguson Brown long before it was Massey Ferguson). Parts for it are common to CASE, DB and Massey Ferguson. Thing is, these relationships change every few years, so in order to figure out who actually made what, you have to know what year it was made and track it through the supply line. That's one of the things that make the red vs blue vs green vs orange tractor rivalry so amusing.
Enjoyed your video as always Wes.
You're videos are amazing haha :D
In 1927, IH became the first company to offer swathers for sale.
5000 acres is the equivalent of cutting a 1 meter wide strip of grass from the north pole to the south pole ,
I could care less if you were payed for endorsements. I feel that you tell things like they are regardless of any benefit to you. I enjoy your videos and the opinions expressed. I would like to see longer videos but beggars can't be choosy. Best to you and your family.
nice one wes you tell them ,,,,,,,,,,,,, i love your vids keep them coming
great video Wes have a great day
Wes what the name of the video of u talking about Massy frug......
I like that John Deere windrower but I would love to own that case W2303 windrower if I was into hay production.
Thumbs up bro
i enjoy your viedoes
Wes I love Massey Ferguson. I also like living. I also like Deere. I never operated a piece of agriculture equipment from the twenty first century of any brand. I'm not butt hurt over your comment about the Massey mower. I'm grateful for your insights in a industry I maybe going into I'm still gonna buy Massey tractors but definitely not mowers (before your revise came out I heard bad things about it just didn't know how bad it was) anyway thanks for all you do your a lendgend in your time
Good on you buddy. Hope you have a nice day too😀
You work with these pieces of equipment all day all week so you know about them far more than us armchair bandits . Keep on farming my friend .
Every brand has their good and bad points. Doesn't matter if it's JD vs. CNH vs. AGCO or Ford vs. GM vs. Ram. Whatever you're looking at, here will be pros and cons. Sometimes they really get it right, other times you get a real dud and it all depends on your application and expectations. Doesn't matter if you're talking farm equipment, trucks, washing machines, stamping presses, or cordless power tools.
You can use your drone to scout new acreage for hazards.
I have a International and a Long and love them both, I had a John deer and it was in the shop more than in the field, I hated it and damn near gave it away to get it off my farm!
How about an OLF approval label for equipment that passes the test?
In my dealings with NH they only care about their equipment 'til the warranty is up.
1:00 yep. if they start at once they are painted bleu, and red if it takes longer to go.
Do ya still have the case?
everyone has their own opinion on any equipment it's just the way it is wes.... keep up the great videos...
Okay Wes tell us how you really feel! Your operation is of a nature that pushes the limits of the equipment, not that you're abusing it but you're definitely finding what limits are and sometimes the manufacturers are finding out the limits aren't where they thought they were. It would appear some manufacturers have decided that if they can make a piece of equipment that stands up in your operation they know they have a production ready equipment. I have watched your relationship with Khrone/Messick's with interest, I think both organizations learned a lot quickly. In the long run your video documentation of the performance of your Khrone baler is something of value to Khrone. It would appear that if they keep your baler running well they are getting more advertising than what they could buy, but some of that value also comes with some worts as you are also showing ny weak spots in the equipment.
first lol i am finally first
"If you ain't first then you are last". Reese Bobby.
onelonleyfarmer Well,you told the truth about MF,(it means what it says HAHA)
that"thing"is a death trap on wheels Wes.I posted a comment about the engineering and design of that machine should be under a"DO NOT BUY"listing.If it catches fire,the only way out is to kick out the window to the right of the operating position and not break anything on the way down.
Excellent video once AGAIN Wes...🚜💨💨💨💨💨💨💨💨💨.(my picture is a 9620R by the way)
onelonleyfarmer I am a new subscriber and I just wanted to say I like your videos and a farmer that makes 5000 Acres of hay you should know what you're doing by now if the trolls don't like it they can kiss your butt they ain't running your farm you are so just keep on doing what you're doing and keep throwing them videos out cuz I like it a lot lol
Just quit defending yourself no need, people are just ass holes....
LMAO
it boils down to this its your money you buy what you want or can afford i personly like john deere i have grown up with deere but i do have a couple differnt machines other than deere it was convient to get at the time when needed
No need to defend yourself. That's why I subscribed to your channel, Honest opinion, no punches pulled.
Anyone that doesn't think that Case and New Holland are the same should go to the Case/New Holland Manufacturing plant in Fargo, ND!
Love the snow
This is how it works I'm a mechanic. The same lines you see large name vehicles come from are the same as every other vehicle maker just large plots of shit. Some metal is better than others. Some metal rots less some rots more. Don't be surprised by the building line making the same product because they THE "ENGINEERS" BUILDER will chose AND NOT EVEN THE DESIGNER CHOOSES THE CHEAPEST LINE REGARDLESS OF THE PROPER WAY BEST WAY TO BUILD/ FABRICATE ITEMS.. IT WILL ALWAYS BE THE CHEAPEST EASIER WAY OUT. The USA has been sold..
You should check out the MacDon windrowers John Deere actually gets them to build it for them the model M155 is nice you can turn the cab around to go 30 miles an hour to travel to the next field
Give em heck!
My question is: why do people have to be jerk neighbors and start conflicts?
I had one from 1996 to 2003. Guy kept truss passing in our fenced yard, opened our shed more then once and looked inside. It was because of him we had to start locking or doors. from 1980 till 1996 we never locked our doors unless going out of town. Not even at night.
A shotgun could have taking care of that problem
I used a Craftsman to cut my grass. Lasted near 20 years. That Case got nothing on Craftsman.
pull type ARE more reliable than self propelled because less things that can go wrong, you can see things that are in the way etc. Sure self propelled are faster and more comfortable.
Larry Page no no no you are wrong reliability is not better with a pull type.
onelonleyfarmer we own a 20 year old kuhn fc250 and a 12 year old kuhn fc352g. i spend max 500 euros for repair per year.
Larry Page Your pull types need a tractor. Consider the costs/reliability involved in the combination. Compare them based on acres covered. Put value on acres covered per hour.
oh wait i am always first lol
would it be of any benefit getting a hold of some of the heat shielding similar to the stuff on the front of the Case windrower and wrapping it round the battery to shed off some of the heat? just a thought i had. keep up the good work I do look forward to finishing on the farm here in the UK and catching up with the latest OLF shenanigans!!
onelonleyfarmer would you ever but a nh identical to your case if it had low hours
Companies need to spend time with people that use equipment and design it from there. Then after realeasing the new model take it to farmers and have them quality test it like Pequay. Get it right with real people and not a computer.
most people dont realize Case Owns Newholland when i pay for my equipment its made out to CIH love the videos brother and i agree with everything you said
I never thought anything but.
did we forget about the 955
Don't worry about what the haters say, they never go away. Any update on the Cat 955?
You tell en chromedome , way to go
Everyone is aloud an option and I like case ih but it doesn't mean I wouldn't go with other brands because the all have the place this has nothing to do with tractor brands but I found cheap silver line drill bits can be better then some Milwaukee bits you haft to shop around you will be suppressed sometimes.
Case/IH and New Holland are both made by CNH Industry.
So why don't you use triple mowers because they can mow at like 15 miles an hour and cut around 30 feet at a time
As a mechanic I see a lot of shit stuffed into a machine I just see major headaches.
he gets a kick back from Napa. lol!
One thing that most folks don't realize is what your showing on TH-cam in your videos is what you want folks to see and hopefully learn from. All these others that are having issues probably aren't going to show all the issues that they are having.
I am sick after looking at this snow hopefully that dosent come soon
I am a big massey fan and I love them, what you said about the heston massey was true when you compaired it to the jd it was much better layout!!!
You can not understand the HEAT that comes off DEF systems till you are close to one in zero weather it can get hot hedge burning.
This is why I prefer the older equipment vs the new. They were a better design all the way around.
TsmnnDvl5 much much cheaper as well
Thanks for great rant! That was an awesome piece about the snowflakes. LOL! At least I know why you aren't using a pull type mower. Vermeer is pushing their pull mowers very hard right now as the cure to end all ills.
Please no more snow videos before December!
Keep up the good work, minus the snow.
CNH=CASE NEW HOLLAND. Hell go to Fargo,ND. You will see where they (CNH) build the articulated tractor's ie quad track's.
Michael Baumgardner and I think that's the old staggered plant
What is the point of your comment? Lmao
I am more an AGCO guy than a CNH guy but I 99.99% agree with that review. AGCO shouldnt get butthurt about this.
still cant get over how the case works beder than the new Holland but a case with a new Holland header is way beder
Hay old new holland hay bine has cracked welds
Wes you have Experience before opinion the best by far ! The offended dongs darn opinionated new guys have very little experience never got any good advise out of a sales brochure or a dong .
you tell them them o l f
5500 acres. I don't think I've seen him in a field bigger than 50 acres so that's 100 different fields at a minimum. You would have to live in 1 baler to cover that ground
My uncle has the old kind he has oitona
Cooled me off.