Ahhhh awesome feedback my friend, thank you! Cant wait to see what you end up doing with the MH Phylo :D Want to take a second to also shoutout Zugzwang, BannedLagiacrus and Goji, whose work and feedback was crucial to building the tree seen here (and especially with choosing how to translate some of the taxa capcom provides in their trees)
Can’t wait for what you do with Wilds and their alien-like direction for MH; it really feels like the Africa and/or Australia of the Monster Hunter world, and I can’t wait for the full game.😁 Btw “The Black Flame” is my favorite monster shown so far.🤷🏿♂️😅
The “_aggis” are called Dog Wyverns for 3 reasons. • The pack hunting. • the distinctive howling up at the sky. • The main thing: they kinda bark. Especially apparent when surrounded by the whole Jaggi pack in Tri/3 Ultimate.
I will say that part of the reason that Elder Dragon Polytomy exists is because at one point in Monster Hunter World one the scholars literally admits that the Elder Dragon classification is a wastebasket taxon. This would explain why Nakarkos; an (I assume) invertebrate is put in a group of mostly vertebrates. That also explains other Polytomies, these taxonomic trees are made in-universe and the people there don't have access to DNA analysis and also might not have totally figured out the best way to group species. It might also just be Capcom not commiting to the relationships of their monsters but hey it helps to remember it is from the perspective of the in-universe people as well.
You might be out of place, but i can confirm that you're definetly a zoologist. And your knowledge on latin and japanese language is excelent for a deer.
at 09:00 I believe the reason for the lack of branches on the superfamily has a very simple reason that got overlooked in the whole rationalization process the lack of branchin can be easily explained by the fact that there are creatures in MH that simply have not been shown in games, the lack of branching but there still being naming is simply a way to show that there are more creatures out there and that at any point capcom can just add a new super family there. we get new monsters all the time so its good for there to be "empy slots", the same goes for the non canon red boxes, originally they are all "???" meaning that those are mysteries even in world as far as we know. also on further note, yes there are ancestor to some monsters in suplementary material, like there some official books with like the prime ancestor of all bird wyverns but overall both frontiers and sumplementary creatures were kinda excluded, the books because of being only about what we can find in game and frontiers because its overall canon is point of discussion...
I believe the reason that Radobaan isnt a chin hammer is because he doesnt have chin reinforced like Uragaan, since his species separate from the species that would latter on become Uragaan before the reinforced chin, since Radobaan actually doesnt use is chin in as many attacks as Uragaan and only does while he has bones in is chin to reduce the impact with the ground, as for Dog Wyverns i believe they recieve the name because of their "ears", that are more noticeable in the jaggia.
The "locusta" epithet is in reference to the Kut-ku's ability to multiply rapidly in good years, which ironically is opposite to the locust's swarming during droughts. I personally would just render its name "Yian kutku" and "Yian garuga", since they're obviously related, though you can always have a "Yianoides", "Yianopsis", "Alloyian", "Pseudoyian", etc. genus if you think they're too distinct
54:39 a cool theory i came up with about Magnamalo is that it isn't a real fanged beast but a flightless ground wyvern. Monster hunter has plenty of ground wyverns like Tigrex and Barioth for example which gave up or limited thire ability to fly in favor to live a more grounded lifestyle and take on roles similar to bears and big cats. I think Magnamalo is a very specialized ground wyvern that completely lost the ability to fly. If had to place it somewhere in the evolutionary tree it would probably be related to Barioth because they both share mammallike features like catlike face. This dose explain why Magnamalo has arm swords because they are a modified leftover of the ancestral wings that now serves a different purpose. I do like Magnamalo even if he is a bit much with his design. He has a great battle and good looking armor and gear. And also the reason i came up with this theory is because scorned Magnamalo can use dragon energy which is usually wyvern or dragon type moster ability.
I think the reason why Oceaniz didn't add any frontier monsters because he has mentioned before that majority of the artbooks or information regarding frontier are in Japanese, so the exclusion of Origin Species in the family tree, I think he would tackle frontier content when there are good translations of the source material
That is exactly it! Frontier has soooo much content and very little supplemental material, and while I do own two of the Frontier books, neither has loads to go on re: phylogeny. So my logic is to leave Frontier content either for later or to other creators who may have more experience/knowledge with that game in general, I definetly dont want to monopolize the monhun ecology youtube space :)
@@Oceanizthere are also the arguments over how canon the existence of Frontier exclusive monsters is in the mainline Monster Hunter universe, isn't there?
@@Ryodraco For me most or some of it is Canon, but I think its over exaggerated. Like how legends in the stories makes it more mystical and in Frontier can be an exaggerated form of the base game. But thats just how I see it, because I love most of the roster lmao
So for the red line connecting the Fulgur and Dracophage bugs, I think in lore, there is technically no difference between Thunderbugs and Fulgurbugs, just that one lives away from Zinogre, and one live on Zinogre, so its hypothesizing that Fulgurbugs are specifically a species that live on Zinogre, and the normal Thunderbug can't just start living on Zinogre and turn into a Fulgurbug, cause its not the correct species. And connecting to this, since the existence of Thunderbug and Fulgurbug, there could be a "Draco"bug alongside "Dracophage" bug, one that lives away from Stygian Zinogre. So the red line is just a hypothesis on where they would be if that is the case. In my opinion from looking at it anyway.
I'm all for making a new phylogenetic tree! I'm a biology teacher and love the monster hunter series :) ever since I learned that Capcom groups all the elder dragons together I was a little disappointed. It would make a lot of sense to group many elder dragons with non elder dragons (Kirin and Kelbi come to mind). I'm so glad I found this channel! Great work!
In Monster Hunter Wilds it'll basically be the first time Hunter culture is explored(cuz the denizen of the uh, game's region didnt know hunters use such mechanical weapons to actually slay big monsters) Technically, they kinda touch on it in the Stories games cuz you play as a Rider, actually riding, befriendjng and raising monsters using magical Kinship stones...
24:59 I've seen a lot of debates over Bazelgeuse's relations. Many assume it's related to Seregios due to the shared modification to their scales. I've even seen one person claim it's related to the Raths due to the anisodactyl feet, shell/carapace-esque armor, and excretion of chemicals. 29:48 I read it as Bay-zel-juice. In Japanese, Betelegeuse is written Beterugyusu. Bazelgeuse is written Bazerugyusu. I interpret this as the last syllable being identical. So, Betelgeuse being pronounced as Bee-tel-juice means it could be Bay-zel-juice or Bah-zel-juice. I read it as the latter because of the E, but I'll often say is as the prior if someone says it that way first. 51:41 proditor could be in reference to how the jagras don't really defend the great jagras and can even be used against them
I believe that Rathalos's japanese name may also be a corruption/japanese version of Leo or Lion, cause a lot of stuff says that Rathalos is supposed to have a lion motif to fit its royal/regal nature
I always assumed nightshade paolumu was a double meaning, referencing both the plant and some species’ poisons, and the coloration. Another note, I’d love to see you make your own MH phylogenetic tree based on the mainline and spin off mon
Their japanese names are kind of their scientific name already, though it's usually two words combined together. For example, "Leoleusu (Rathalos)" is two words, "Leo" means lion and "Leusu" comes from "Basileus", "Leoleia (Rathian)" is "Leo" and "Rhea", like you said.
59:10 "rhodon" is Greek for "rose" such as in rhodopsin-like receptors, a very large class of G-protein coupled receptors; rhodobacterales, an order of alphaproteobacteria; and Rhododendron, the plant genus. 1:31:47 Volvox is a genus of colonial green algae. The colonies are shaped like spheres, hence the genus name. They look very cool under a microscope.
So Flying Wyverns USED to be less Polytomic, Espinas was a shell Wyvern like Gravios and the Blos Wyverns but was changed in Sunbreak. Seregios WAS a Psuedo Wyvern that represented a more basal form than Nargacuga and Barioth but that was retconned. Also Tigrex was more basal than other flying Wyverns but less so than Akantor and Ukanlos.
I'm almost certain tetsucabra has shogunate references in it's design, like on the armor set, also on Nerscylla, speaking from my language classes, people tend to, overtime, choose to use the easiest way to say words (if possible) so I'd argue that nerscylla would at some point go from Ner-ski-la to ner-si-la, just from usage alone, I myself have called it ner-si-la ever since I first met it. I've also called ceadeus sea-deus, because if you take deus, from most spanish/portuguese languages, it means god, so sea god, but before that I would call him Ka-e-deus because I thought it was written caedeus.
Loved this video. Didn't think I would learn so much about Latin and Greek. I would love to see your own version of this and the big ways it would differ from Capcom. Break up the polytomies!
Ah man. I'm in the middle of making a tree that includes all species from the mainline games right now, including endemic life, with the idea of making youtube videos about it lol. Oh well. I was mostly doing it because there wasn't anything like it available, so having a professional do it is the best i could ask for. Especially one who speaks japanese, so the frontier monsters could be included too. I'll just check my work against yours to see how well I did. Looking forward to it!
I thought bazelguese was based on the star bazelguese which exploded hence the explosive theme, this was a rare? event don't know how often we can observe stars explode
Wilds is going to throw a huge monkey wrench into that web of life... Those designs are really cool but im worried they're kind of lore breaking... like a Mosquito Brute Whyvern and a an Elder Dragon that has literally no draconian features what so ever.. Again though its hard to be bothered by that when they look so freaking cool
I mean, Elder Dragons are just a classification that says "We don't know where these come from". They seem to be entirely unique species that don't share any known ancestor
@@hankskorpio5857but what are you talking about, we have no elders revealed for the game yet, and the devs have stated they want to "move away" from elders atleast in this game
Hi, I do not have a channel but I am very intereseted in clasificating mh animals, I also did an outdated mh evolutionary tree for myself, that in many ways differ with capcom one, if you are interested in seeing it, or me helping you out, plase let me know!
kinda bothered by the fact that there are no tautonyms in here. Could be specially useful to identify the "base species" from the other species, but alas, the names ain't that badt.
Ahhhh awesome feedback my friend, thank you! Cant wait to see what you end up doing with the MH Phylo :D
Want to take a second to also shoutout Zugzwang, BannedLagiacrus and Goji, whose work and feedback was crucial to building the tree seen here (and especially with choosing how to translate some of the taxa capcom provides in their trees)
Looking forward to season 3 of Monster Hunter Ecology!
Can yu do the full evolution of life in monster hunter
Can’t wait for what you do with Wilds and their alien-like direction for MH; it really feels like the Africa and/or Australia of the Monster Hunter world, and I can’t wait for the full game.😁
Btw “The Black Flame” is my favorite monster shown so far.🤷🏿♂️😅
The “_aggis” are called Dog Wyverns for 3 reasons.
• The pack hunting.
• the distinctive howling up at the sky.
• The main thing: they kinda bark. Especially apparent when surrounded by the whole Jaggi pack in Tri/3 Ultimate.
I will say that part of the reason that Elder Dragon Polytomy exists is because at one point in Monster Hunter World one the scholars literally admits that the Elder Dragon classification is a wastebasket taxon. This would explain why Nakarkos; an (I assume) invertebrate is put in a group of mostly vertebrates. That also explains other Polytomies, these taxonomic trees are made in-universe and the people there don't have access to DNA analysis and also might not have totally figured out the best way to group species. It might also just be Capcom not commiting to the relationships of their monsters but hey it helps to remember it is from the perspective of the in-universe people as well.
You might be out of place, but i can confirm that you're definetly a zoologist. And your knowledge on latin and japanese language is excelent for a deer.
1:43:01 to be fair, "Gorilla gorilla gorilla" is an accepted taxon
And "Eagle Eagle" too.
at 09:00 I believe the reason for the lack of branches on the superfamily has a very simple reason that got overlooked in the whole rationalization process
the lack of branchin can be easily explained by the fact that there are creatures in MH that simply have not been shown in games, the lack of branching but there still being naming is simply a way to show that there are more creatures out there and that at any point capcom can just add a new super family there.
we get new monsters all the time so its good for there to be "empy slots", the same goes for the non canon red boxes, originally they are all "???" meaning that those are mysteries even in world as far as we know.
also on further note, yes there are ancestor to some monsters in suplementary material, like there some official books with like the prime ancestor of all bird wyverns but overall both frontiers and sumplementary creatures were kinda excluded, the books because of being only about what we can find in game and frontiers because its overall canon is point of discussion...
I believe the reason that Radobaan isnt a chin hammer is because he doesnt have chin reinforced like Uragaan, since his species separate from the species that would latter on become Uragaan before the reinforced chin, since Radobaan actually doesnt use is chin in as many attacks as Uragaan and only does while he has bones in is chin to reduce the impact with the ground, as for Dog Wyverns i believe they recieve the name because of their "ears", that are more noticeable in the jaggia.
This Video is probably the Reason im grateful for stumbling to your channel due to the Nokotan Video.
The "locusta" epithet is in reference to the Kut-ku's ability to multiply rapidly in good years, which ironically is opposite to the locust's swarming during droughts. I personally would just render its name "Yian kutku" and "Yian garuga", since they're obviously related, though you can always have a "Yianoides", "Yianopsis", "Alloyian", "Pseudoyian", etc. genus if you think they're too distinct
Wow this channel is super underrated
Always learning. A lot from your videos. As a monster hunter fan, this has been eye opening.
54:39 a cool theory i came up with about Magnamalo is that it isn't a real fanged beast but a flightless ground wyvern.
Monster hunter has plenty of ground wyverns like Tigrex and Barioth for example which gave up or limited thire ability to fly in favor to live a more grounded lifestyle and take on roles similar to bears and big cats.
I think Magnamalo is a very specialized ground wyvern that completely lost the ability to fly.
If had to place it somewhere in the evolutionary tree it would probably be related to Barioth because they both share mammallike features like catlike face.
This dose explain why Magnamalo has arm swords because they are a modified leftover of the ancestral wings that now serves a different purpose.
I do like Magnamalo even if he is a bit much with his design.
He has a great battle and good looking armor and gear.
And also the reason i came up with this theory is because scorned Magnamalo can use dragon energy which is usually wyvern or dragon type moster ability.
I think the reason why Oceaniz didn't add any frontier monsters because he has mentioned before that majority of the artbooks or information regarding frontier are in Japanese, so the exclusion of Origin Species in the family tree, I think he would tackle frontier content when there are good translations of the source material
That is exactly it! Frontier has soooo much content and very little supplemental material, and while I do own two of the Frontier books, neither has loads to go on re: phylogeny. So my logic is to leave Frontier content either for later or to other creators who may have more experience/knowledge with that game in general, I definetly dont want to monopolize the monhun ecology youtube space :)
@@Oceanizthere are also the arguments over how canon the existence of Frontier exclusive monsters is in the mainline Monster Hunter universe, isn't there?
@@Ryodraco For me most or some of it is Canon, but I think its over exaggerated. Like how legends in the stories makes it more mystical and in Frontier can be an exaggerated form of the base game. But thats just how I see it, because I love most of the roster lmao
The Out-of-place zoologist is going places from all over indeed
51:30 I think its name is because lorewise, smaller Jagras will effectively disown their alpha if they aren't satisfied with its leadership.
So for the red line connecting the Fulgur and Dracophage bugs, I think in lore, there is technically no difference between Thunderbugs and Fulgurbugs, just that one lives away from Zinogre, and one live on Zinogre, so its hypothesizing that Fulgurbugs are specifically a species that live on Zinogre, and the normal Thunderbug can't just start living on Zinogre and turn into a Fulgurbug, cause its not the correct species. And connecting to this, since the existence of Thunderbug and Fulgurbug, there could be a "Draco"bug alongside "Dracophage" bug, one that lives away from Stygian Zinogre. So the red line is just a hypothesis on where they would be if that is the case. In my opinion from looking at it anyway.
I'm all for making a new phylogenetic tree! I'm a biology teacher and love the monster hunter series :) ever since I learned that Capcom groups all the elder dragons together I was a little disappointed. It would make a lot of sense to group many elder dragons with non elder dragons (Kirin and Kelbi come to mind).
I'm so glad I found this channel! Great work!
In Monster Hunter Wilds it'll basically be the first time Hunter culture is explored(cuz the denizen of the uh, game's region didnt know hunters use such mechanical weapons to actually slay big monsters)
Technically, they kinda touch on it in the Stories games cuz you play as a Rider, actually riding, befriendjng and raising monsters using magical Kinship stones...
Oceaniz has made videos that give context to a lot of the things in this video, they are the monsters of monster hunter videos.
I would LOVE to see phylogenetic analyses of Monster Hunter creatures!
24:59 I've seen a lot of debates over Bazelgeuse's relations. Many assume it's related to Seregios due to the shared modification to their scales. I've even seen one person claim it's related to the Raths due to the anisodactyl feet, shell/carapace-esque armor, and excretion of chemicals.
29:48 I read it as Bay-zel-juice. In Japanese, Betelegeuse is written Beterugyusu.
Bazelgeuse is written Bazerugyusu. I interpret this as the last syllable being identical. So, Betelgeuse being pronounced as Bee-tel-juice means it could be Bay-zel-juice or Bah-zel-juice. I read it as the latter because of the E, but I'll often say is as the prior if someone says it that way first.
51:41 proditor could be in reference to how the jagras don't really defend the great jagras and can even be used against them
Regarding Jagrass, I think it may also be a reference to how Greats can sometimes eat small female jagrasses when hungry
0:49 YOU KNOW ABOUT PROJECT MOON?!?
I believe that Rathalos's japanese name may also be a corruption/japanese version of Leo or Lion, cause a lot of stuff says that Rathalos is supposed to have a lion motif to fit its royal/regal nature
I always assumed nightshade paolumu was a double meaning, referencing both the plant and some species’ poisons, and the coloration. Another note, I’d love to see you make your own MH phylogenetic tree based on the mainline and spin off mon
Their japanese names are kind of their scientific name already, though it's usually two words combined together.
For example, "Leoleusu (Rathalos)" is two words, "Leo" means lion and "Leusu" comes from "Basileus", "Leoleia (Rathian)" is "Leo" and "Rhea", like you said.
0:17 Adamancipator mentioned
🪨🪨🪨🗿🗿🗿
0:49 Sudden Don jumpscare
59:10 "rhodon" is Greek for "rose" such as in rhodopsin-like receptors, a very large class of G-protein coupled receptors; rhodobacterales, an order of alphaproteobacteria; and Rhododendron, the plant genus.
1:31:47 Volvox is a genus of colonial green algae. The colonies are shaped like spheres, hence the genus name. They look very cool under a microscope.
So Flying Wyverns USED to be less Polytomic, Espinas was a shell Wyvern like Gravios and the Blos Wyverns but was changed in Sunbreak. Seregios WAS a Psuedo Wyvern that represented a more basal form than Nargacuga and Barioth but that was retconned. Also Tigrex was more basal than other flying Wyverns but less so than Akantor and Ukanlos.
I'm almost certain tetsucabra has shogunate references in it's design, like on the armor set, also on Nerscylla, speaking from my language classes, people tend to, overtime, choose to use the easiest way to say words (if possible) so I'd argue that nerscylla would at some point go from Ner-ski-la to ner-si-la, just from usage alone, I myself have called it ner-si-la ever since I first met it. I've also called ceadeus sea-deus, because if you take deus, from most spanish/portuguese languages, it means god, so sea god, but before that I would call him Ka-e-deus because I thought it was written caedeus.
Wonderful ❤
Loved this video. Didn't think I would learn so much about Latin and Greek.
I would love to see your own version of this and the big ways it would differ from Capcom.
Break up the polytomies!
Ah man. I'm in the middle of making a tree that includes all species from the mainline games right now, including endemic life, with the idea of making youtube videos about it lol.
Oh well. I was mostly doing it because there wasn't anything like it available, so having a professional do it is the best i could ask for. Especially one who speaks japanese, so the frontier monsters could be included too. I'll just check my work against yours to see how well I did. Looking forward to it!
Love the long video!!
I thought bazelguese was based on the star bazelguese which exploded hence the explosive theme, this was a rare? event don't know how often we can observe stars explode
Is "exclisios" praying as in 'praying mantis'?
24:53 basarios spotted 🤯
28:37 obscurus spotted 🤯
Animal systamatic
Shows a Rock Monster Researching Rock
I wonder if Oceaniz is going to see this
Blackboard chalk is limestone chalk isn't it?
Wilds is going to throw a huge monkey wrench into that web of life...
Those designs are really cool but im worried they're kind of lore breaking... like a Mosquito Brute Whyvern and a an Elder Dragon that has literally no draconian features what so ever..
Again though its hard to be bothered by that when they look so freaking cool
I mean, Elder Dragons are just a classification that says "We don't know where these come from". They seem to be entirely unique species that don't share any known ancestor
@tyrusdalet Bioweapons maybe? Isnt that what Fatalis is?
No elders have been revelaed in wilds yet
@@Leyva0scarVRL probably the Nergi of this game.
Like those in-betweener elders
@@hankskorpio5857but what are you talking about, we have no elders revealed for the game yet, and the devs have stated they want to "move away" from elders atleast in this game
am i the only one who thinks glavenus's epithet should be "ensiferus" ?
Doraemon X Monster Hunter when
I thought Gammoth is a Herbivore?
Same with guys alliek Duramboros and Banbaro
What even is a wyvern
Finally a 2 hour video i can fall asleep to
Hi, I do not have a channel but I am very intereseted in clasificating mh animals, I also did an outdated mh evolutionary tree for myself, that in many ways differ with capcom one, if you are interested in seeing it, or me helping you out, plase let me know!
kinda bothered by the fact that there are no tautonyms in here. Could be specially useful to identify the "base species" from the other species, but alas, the names ain't that badt.
Buzzel juice
1:02:16 🧏♂️🤫
He’s saying sheet, not sh*t
I thin Rath aureus would be better for gold rathian and Rath argentus for Silver Rathalos
I'm pretty sure they're treated as different sexes of the same subspecies which means they wouldn't have different names.
Me everytime you said "Linnean"
"Lynians"?
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