Bob Dylan The Complete Budokan Discussion

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  • @CalicoSilver
    @CalicoSilver 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great review, John. (How did I miss this?) I never cared for the Budokan album and wasn't planning on listening to any of the expanded release, but after listening to your superb review, I may just have a listen. (btw, I really do wish Dylan was as interactive with his audiences as he was in the past) Thanks. Jeff

  • @bennymerenti6850
    @bennymerenti6850 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    A really good review John.
    Earl’s Court 1978 was my first
    live concet of Bob’s. It was
    for me his best concert although
    I wouldnt fault the next 41 concerts
    I went on to see following that.
    Met him in ‘91 & had a conversation
    with him. At 13 my parents said “he’ll grow out of it. I’m 65 now but dont seem to be growing out of Bob & his music/lyrics. 😄
    It’s great to hear someone who knows very well what he is talking about. Thank you for your knowledgable piece here.

  • @PaulReiners
    @PaulReiners 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I completely remember the first time I saw this album. I must have been about 18 and was in a Target store with my dad. Target had an unusually large display of this album for some reason. I can't remember whether I bought it with my own money or whether my dad bought it for me, but I did get it immediately and took it home and played it that evening. I pretty much agree with everything you said about the album and the songs. To me, it's a very weird album, but very adventurous. When an arrangement on the song works, it really works. I wonder how much Rob Stoner had to do with the arrangements. I believe he was the musical director of the band on that tour. It's completely different than the "Hard Rain" album. Weird, but adventurous and stellar in places.

  • @mpmternst
    @mpmternst 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Budokan was my first Bob Dylan album, so I have a special fondness for it. Thank you for sharing these sweet memories.

    • @davecostello560
      @davecostello560 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Me too! Got it when I was 15, I was obsessed with Simple Twist of Fate as my teenage hormones were kicking in!

    • @mpmternst
      @mpmternst 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@davecostello560 Ha, ha! I guess I'd better not play that song for my kids!

    • @davecostello560
      @davecostello560 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      lol no it's not x rated, it stirred my imagination as a mysterious love song!

    • @johnheaton5667
      @johnheaton5667  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@davecostello560yes it’s wonderful…forgot to mention it!

    • @patrickmaurice591
      @patrickmaurice591 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@johnheaton5667Would it be possible to review your favourite Bruce Springsteen’s albums in the near future? 🎶✨

  • @FarNorthLiving
    @FarNorthLiving 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    He stopped off in New Zealand as well. First time I saw him. Played the album to death instead of going to school when the album came out. Happy days!

    • @johnheaton5667
      @johnheaton5667  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Sorry I forgot to mention NZ!

  • @jeffreyroberts7438
    @jeffreyroberts7438 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think all the reviews I’ve seen are fantastic, lots of depth and interesting content. Almost takes me back to the whispering Bob Harris days👍 Blood on the Tracks was the first album I purchased as an art student in the seventies, along with dark side of the moon and tubular bells…happy days in brum

  • @RonaldBrown59
    @RonaldBrown59 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I remember when this record came out, but I never listened to it. But your review has peaked my interest, I will give a listen today. Great video, and thanks for sharing John.

  • @spinynorman8217
    @spinynorman8217 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I have been listening to the new release today and thoroughly enjoying it; Budokon was my gateway album to Dylan back in the early eighties and I am thrilled to be able to have this extra material to digest. I never understood the animosity towards this album and being younger than the first wave of Dylan fans maybe I saw things differently, reminds me of the big deal made over Phil Collins in Genesis, they couldn't have gotten a more suitable replacement if they had recruited for years IMHO.

  • @jupitermadcat
    @jupitermadcat 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love this album I might be in the minority? I don’t know, but I’m looking forward to getting the box set

  • @tyronewhitehead3123
    @tyronewhitehead3123 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Brilliant review

  • @dantheman1624
    @dantheman1624 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Any live version of “where are you tonight”…my favorite Dylan song

    • @johnheaton5667
      @johnheaton5667  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He certainly played it later on in the tour but there are reasonable quality recordings from Paris and Blackbushe (UK) on youtube with a lot more Street Legal material including your favourite!

    • @AmpatVargheseKoshy
      @AmpatVargheseKoshy 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      he played it

  • @benmeltzer
    @benmeltzer 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Bob Dylan stopped talking to the audience in 1987 starting with the Dylan & The Dead shows. It's also when he started substantially varying his setlist night to night. It's also when he started touring every year (well, he had toured in '86 so strctly speaking that was when his touring every year started). He learned at least the former two from them, and I prefer both practices. I never needed a rapport with the artist beyond music, or a "show" as such. And on occassions where I would see multiple shows on a tour, it was nice to get a varierty of material.

    • @johnheaton5667
      @johnheaton5667  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      i agree that the 78 set lists are largely the same but good to see Street Legal tracks entering the set list gradually!

  • @markshamilton
    @markshamilton 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    He also played at Western Springs in New Zealand, it was his first time here.

    • @johnheaton5667
      @johnheaton5667  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes sorry I didn’t mention NZ!

  • @jaylene.turner6524
    @jaylene.turner6524 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video,John!

  • @benmeltzer
    @benmeltzer 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This tour was so extensive because it was his "paying for my divorce" tour (which correlates with that lyric change at the end of "I Threw It All Away"). He returned to Japan in 1986 and 1994.

    • @67Parsifal
      @67Parsifal 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I don’t think that’s the truth. If he’d been determined just to make money, he would’ve toured with a much smaller band. Or he could have toured solo. But, instead, he chose to tour with a large band of some of the most expensive musicians he could find, including people like Steve Douglas and Bobbye Hall, who were stars in their own right.

    • @benmeltzer
      @benmeltzer 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@67Parsifal Documented in Down The Highway: The Life Of Bob Dylan. "It costs a lot to get divorced in California"-Dylan

    • @johnheaton5667
      @johnheaton5667  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks for the info...I felt sure he returned as he said he would!

    • @benmeltzer
      @benmeltzer 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@johnheaton5667 Thank you for these great reviews.

    • @MichaelWarchol
      @MichaelWarchol 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Critics dubbed it the “alimony tour” because of his recent divorce. It may be true. Dylan toured from February until December of 78, and really only took a few weeks off to record Street Legal. Prior to this, Dylan had never toured so much in one year.

  • @markandrewstjohn3674
    @markandrewstjohn3674 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My first Dylan album too. Still rate it !

  • @67Parsifal
    @67Parsifal 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    This was his best ever tour, and his best ever band. Sadly, the tour was recorded too early - the European shows, particularly the british ones, were off the scale brilliant.

    • @benmeltzer
      @benmeltzer 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I agree it improved over time. That Picnic At Blackbushe bootleg is phenomenal.

    • @johnheaton5667
      @johnheaton5667  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes I just listened to Blackbushe on TH-cam...superb,,,but these Tokyo peformances have their moments!

    • @MichaelWarchol
      @MichaelWarchol 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Totally agree. The tour got better as the year went by. Unfortunately, I’m guessing that Columbia only recorded the Japanese first two shows. Fortunately there are some great sounding bootlegs out there.

  • @michaelstokes919
    @michaelstokes919 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    One of the few Dylan albums that I've never really explored. Gave the new version a listen, and enjoyed it a fair bit. I can understand how the arrangements and overall tone would of put people off at the time, but I think it's a lot easier digest now, especially when you consider how many different versions of songs he's released on his bootleg series. Not everything hits the mark, but there's definitely a good 10/15 songs that I like quite a lot.

  • @mikekaylor1226
    @mikekaylor1226 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    My favorite Dylan album! I've never understood the critical lambasting it took. His voice was the strongest here that I have heard on anything else. The versions of One More Cup of Coffee, and Shelter from the Storm are absolutely fantastic!

    • @johnheaton5667
      @johnheaton5667  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      yes and simple twist of fate and to ramona are also highlights

  • @andrewgabbott102
    @andrewgabbott102 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Not a big fan of this album but Mr Tambourine Man on this album is my favourite version of this Tune.

  • @ianlaker9161
    @ianlaker9161 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I've also owned the Budokan album since release when I was at art college. Although very accomplished as live performance I always thought it a bit schmaltzy and much preferred the rawness, urgency and immediacy of Hard Rain from a few years previously, even though the sound left something to be desired. I have to say I rarely play Budokan. Maybe it's time for a revisit.

    • @johnheaton5667
      @johnheaton5667  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      yes i thought the same but i am enjoying listening to the full concerts! It sure has its moments!

  • @bwpm1467
    @bwpm1467 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    John, I think the March 1st performance of Love In Vain is the one originally released... the new (previously unreleased) one is the Feb 28th recording.

    • @johnheaton5667
      @johnheaton5667  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes I think I mixed it up there cheers!

    • @bwpm1467
      @bwpm1467 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@johnheaton5667 Which do you prefer, John?

    • @johnheaton5667
      @johnheaton5667  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      i think i slightly prefer the unreleased one....he seems a bit nervous but is singing with emotion on both@@bwpm1467

  • @stefanjonsson699
    @stefanjonsson699 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The 75 and 76 tours was american affairs. 78 was a global affair. Promoter was new and a greatest hits and reworked versions of deep cuts. What to be critical about? Its just a great product.

  • @matttokley8215
    @matttokley8215 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hi John. Good video but I would have liked you to tackle the elephant in the room, namely that a 2CD version of the new set seems to be missing this time around, which contradicts the usual Bootleg Series releases. I for one cannot cannot afford the 4CD version! I should add that I absolutely love Budokan - it was the first Dylan album I heard so has always been special for me!

    • @bwpm1467
      @bwpm1467 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's not part of the Bootleg Series. The usual Bootleg Series formats aren't applicable here.

    • @matttokley8215
      @matttokley8215 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@bwpm1467 ah ok, still think it's strange that there's not a 2CD version though

    • @bwpm1467
      @bwpm1467 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @matttokley8215 The original is a 2CD. How could they then release a 'complete version' also as a 2CD?!

    • @matttokley8215
      @matttokley8215 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@bwpm1467 is there not a two vinyl highlights version then? I believe there is....

    • @bwpm1467
      @bwpm1467 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @matttokley8215 Fair point. I think the focus goes on vinyl and digital/streaming, these days. Not enough people purchase CDs now so I think they worry a lot less about providing for a decreasing market. All the effort nowadays seems to go into the vinyl side of things.

  • @67Parsifal
    @67Parsifal 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Dylan’s atypical audience interactions during this concert probably reflect the requests of his Japanese promoters, who authorised his setlist, the only time (afaia) that Dylan has allowed himself to be dictated to.

    • @johnheaton5667
      @johnheaton5667  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Fair point but my only complaint about the set list is the lack of Street Legal material but it's perfectly possible he'd not written most of the tracks at that stage!

    • @benmeltzer
      @benmeltzer 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wait. The promoter told Dylan what to play? Was he paid more for obliging? Did he not have the same condition on future Japanese tours? If not, why in '78 but not in '86 and '94? Thank you.

    • @67Parsifal
      @67Parsifal 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@benmeltzer it’s documented fact that Dylan acceded to song requests from the promoter in 1978. No idea about tours after that.

  • @robertfallows1054
    @robertfallows1054 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I believe I have all the official bootlegs but I really am not sure about this. I’m 72 and I have followed him from when I was 17 but I really couldn’t reconcile this album with the 98% of the others. I’ve been able to get into self portrait even but this and the American songbooks albums are to me are not on my listening list. After your video I might give it a chance. Still it’s hard to reconcile a poet in a Vegas type setting

  • @craigb2971
    @craigb2971 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I worked at the Bob Dylan 78 concerts at the Melbourne Myer Music Bowl in March of that year. I thought he was great live but on reflection, hearing this, I think some of the tracks might be a bit overdone. With the instrumentation I mean. However, overall they were great concerts and seeing Bob close up was special

  • @maggiebryan2355
    @maggiebryan2355 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Dont se whathe problen was bob changes up his songs all the time ❤

  • @Ft.Gagiano
    @Ft.Gagiano 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I remember reading somewhere that set lists for Budakon.
    Was promoters picks only.
    Since a pretty penny was paid for dylan.
    99% hits.
    Sprinkled with dylan picks.

    • @tyronewhitehead3123
      @tyronewhitehead3123 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Brilliant review

    • @johnheaton5667
      @johnheaton5667  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well the only problem i have with the set lists is the lack of Street Legal material but I guess it was a bit early!

  • @frugalseverin2282
    @frugalseverin2282 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Upon original release I was disappointed with it after loving "Hard Rain". The horns, backup singers and flute were a bit off-putting. Now that I'm over 60 I can appreciate the mellow tone of the arrangements. Great song choices just jarring to my ears back in '78. I downloaded all 58 tracks from YT yesterday.

    • @johnheaton5667
      @johnheaton5667  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      i tend to agree that the 75/76 concerts were better but I am loving have these two full concerts on Spotify with not an extra penny spent!!

  • @leongiovanni9902
    @leongiovanni9902 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    sorry for me it is a bit too much! Dylan plays vegas, ive had it since it came out, ive listened to it more than a few times, i want it to be good and grow on me. but it sounds like Dylan attemps Elvis at vegas but falls short greatly somehow.. the rearanging of all the sungs to an easy listening palletable format. and at times to over the top dramatic.for instance on "Maggies Farm". it feels so smultsy 70s. and at a time when punk had just been and new wave prevailed. then this. Of course the musicianship is very capable and polished that might be the prob here OK Theres maybe two or three tracks on here that lend themselves to that treatment. and i know that band loosed up greatly has the tour progressed. but i have to agree with most of the critics on this one. Nashville skyline and self Portrait had a similar critical mauling but both those albums have stood the test of time. for me Budokan and all the mid 80s albums after infidels are unispiring. unless you love Dylan for just being Dylan. Then anything goes.

    • @johnheaton5667
      @johnheaton5667  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      i have a soft spot for the Street Legal album so this is a good release for me albeit he may have been better later in the tour with more material from the album for starters!

  • @robertmaitino5674
    @robertmaitino5674 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It’s okay. There are some decent versions on this, but it’s too far too mellow. Bob is better live now than on this record.

  • @bradleysanders3645
    @bradleysanders3645 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Unfortunately, this is when Bob started to go down in concert. Before the Flood was the peak for me live. This album was the beginning of the end (live) for me.

    • @johnheaton5667
      @johnheaton5667  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      well at least he had a voice here!! it's been growing on me and great to hear the full concerts note for note....pretty rare to have that on official release

  • @TZ1000-zu7ki
    @TZ1000-zu7ki 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I've always thought the Budokan album sounds like someone singing Dylan songs who has a complete lack of understanding of the material or perhaps a deliberate parody. I've seen Dylan a couple dozen times, including December 1978 on this tour. I've always liked his revamping of the arrangements of his songs, but not those on Budokan. His band was stellar, but the arrangements they had to play were awful. Steve Douglas was one of the top LA brass session players, but his flute on this album is plain awful and schmaltzy. By December 1978 the worst aspects of Budokan's arrangements had been dropped and I loved the concert. Recently, I listened to the album for the first time in years to see if my memory of it was overly harsh. It wasn't. I own every album and single the man has released, including all of the Bootleg series and more than 100 actual bootlegs. At $160 for the CD set I don't think I'll be buying this new release.

    • @johnheaton5667
      @johnheaton5667  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      i agree the box set is overpriced but free on Spotify I'll take it!!

  • @mountart2
    @mountart2 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don't Bob or anyone else reworking songs they wrote and re interpret them, but the new arrangements are just dreadful, as if a Dylan interpreter is doing Dylan in Vegas, except it's Bob doing Bob in Vegas. It was conceived as a money making cash grab tour and that it was. A shame they didn't release a live album from further in on the tour in Europe which were much better shows.

  • @ah13554
    @ah13554 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Highway robbery

    • @johnheaton5667
      @johnheaton5667  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      not if you're already subscribed to spotify mate!! i take it you don't much like it!

  • @mygicshow
    @mygicshow 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That is one of his worst live albums that fucking saxophone drives me crazy

    • @johnheaton5667
      @johnheaton5667  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ha! i get your point although i think it works perfectly on the 'Street Legal' album!