Sounds like the Pitch Logic combined with a Smart Coach would be a good option if you are budget restricted. The Smart Coach readings could offset the velo issues with Pitch Logic, while still giving you accurate movement profiles for pitches. Great video, as usual from Tread.
To be fair, we wouldn't recommend making sweeping changes based off of pitchLogic's movement readings, but you can get a general idea if you're working with efficient pitches!
As a scout I used and loved the Stalker. Now that I'm not scouting (and the gun isn't provided) Pocket Radar Smart Coach is my go to velo reader. Highly trust it.
Great video. Another thing worth mentioning is that the pocket radar needs to be at least 15 to 20 ft from the thrower otherwise it can be really innacurate. I believe the Stalker only needs a minimum of 10 feet. The pocket radar can be difficult to use if you have limited space.
This is an excellent video. As a youth coach we have a pocket radar and it serves its purpose for charting. However, I really like the app/analytics of Pitchlogic (cant afford Trackman/Rapsado). Is the data valuable enough to use it? I am right on the fence. It has everything I want - velocity, spin, movement, etc. to chart/track and use the data for coaching (with 13-14 year old boys they respond much better to actual data versus pure mechanical feedback). Is the accuracy tight enough for its information to be valuable? I want to buy it, but can't hit the button as I worry that it is a really good concept but poor actual results? If I have $500 for a two year...is it worth it?
It's solid for velo and spin metrics, but it lacks in (likely) the most important area in its movement metrics. You can still make developmental decisions around its velo and spin metrics, but it's pretty difficult to be flying blind on some of the movement metrics it misses out on
After thousands of pitches within the last two years with the pitch logic ball and pocket radar smart coach… the pitch logic ball is frequently 1-3mph+/- off the pocket radar.
PitchLogic measures the velocity out of the hand, but I believe that the Pocket Radar measures the velocity at the catcher, which would make a difference. I have discovered the same as you.
@@jesserams8410 No, they are not. Velo at the catcher will be about 3mph slower than out of the hand. There is no way possible that a pitch at the catcher would be the same as out of hand.
No you are never going to get an accurate true speed with a 100 to 200 dollar Bushnell, That's just the way it is.The Bushnell will clock a car or a large object actually pretty accurate but that doesn't mean it will clock a baseball correctly. The Bushnell guns typically read 4-6 Mph SLOWER! Than a Stalker or pocket radar.Im sorry but why would anyone want a radar gun that short charges your pitcher and makes them look worse than they really are? Please just fork out the money to buy a Stalker or pocket radar then you can be sure your getting near accurate speed readings and not second guessing yourself.
@@treadathletics Awesome! I currently work for FlightScope, please excuse the awkward youtube username, but we would love to partner with your organization and have you guys test out our radar in comparison to TM & Rapsodo by developing a youtube video explaining what you like and don't like. Let me know if that is something your facility is willing to do and we can further connect.
hawkeye uses 12 cameras around the stadium to track the ball, pretty advanced software to isolate all aspects of the ball movement in flight but with all those cameras you get a ton of data
The Smart Coach can be hooked up to tell you the velocity out loud. The video will include the velocity on it, so it could be valuable with recruitment, but it makes video of every pitch, so getting rid of a lot of unnecessary videos is a chore.
Sounds like the Pitch Logic combined with a Smart Coach would be a good option if you are budget restricted. The Smart Coach readings could offset the velo issues with Pitch Logic, while still giving you accurate movement profiles for pitches.
Great video, as usual from Tread.
To be fair, we wouldn't recommend making sweeping changes based off of pitchLogic's movement readings, but you can get a general idea if you're working with efficient pitches!
As a scout I used and loved the Stalker. Now that I'm not scouting (and the gun isn't provided) Pocket Radar Smart Coach is my go to velo reader. Highly trust it.
Great video. Another thing worth mentioning is that the pocket radar needs to be at least 15 to 20 ft from the thrower otherwise it can be really innacurate. I believe the Stalker only needs a minimum of 10 feet. The pocket radar can be difficult to use if you have limited space.
I just ordered a pocket radar for the high school baseball team I coach. Would it be best to set it up right behind the pitcher?
@@a_soldierz_genetics Behind the pitcher or behind the catcher. It will not read properly at an angle.
This is a great public service, thanks for sharing this.
This is an excellent video. As a youth coach we have a pocket radar and it serves its purpose for charting. However, I really like the app/analytics of Pitchlogic (cant afford Trackman/Rapsado). Is the data valuable enough to use it? I am right on the fence. It has everything I want - velocity, spin, movement, etc. to chart/track and use the data for coaching (with 13-14 year old boys they respond much better to actual data versus pure mechanical feedback). Is the accuracy tight enough for its information to be valuable? I want to buy it, but can't hit the button as I worry that it is a really good concept but poor actual results? If I have $500 for a two year...is it worth it?
It's solid for velo and spin metrics, but it lacks in (likely) the most important area in its movement metrics. You can still make developmental decisions around its velo and spin metrics, but it's pretty difficult to be flying blind on some of the movement metrics it misses out on
I've been wondering between these!
Have you guys done any testing on the new Stalker Pro S when it comes to spin rate?
We don't really think spin rate is that important. Check out this video to see why:
th-cam.com/video/Uz2E-kCdmd4/w-d-xo.html
After thousands of pitches within the last two years with the pitch logic ball and pocket radar smart coach… the pitch logic ball is frequently 1-3mph+/- off the pocket radar.
PitchLogic measures the velocity out of the hand, but I believe that the Pocket Radar measures the velocity at the catcher, which would make a difference. I have discovered the same as you.
@@tootallforbaseballvelo out of hand and at catcher are the exact same
@@jesserams8410 No, they are not. Velo at the catcher will be about 3mph slower than out of the hand. There is no way possible that a pitch at the catcher would be the same as out of hand.
Would this be suitable for a cricket bowler? Especially a very tall one?
What part of the video?
Anyone know where to get the DK ball. Can’t find it anywhere
Pretty sure they've discontinued the product.
@joeyprice they are discontinued but I have a few i am willing to part with if you are interested in it. The app can still be downloaded and used.
is the bushnell one worth a shot?
Probably just stick to Pocket Radar at that point
No, it is not very accurate.
No you are never going to get an accurate true speed with a 100 to 200 dollar Bushnell, That's just the way it is.The Bushnell will clock a car or a large object actually pretty accurate but that doesn't mean it will clock a baseball correctly. The Bushnell guns typically read 4-6 Mph SLOWER! Than a Stalker or pocket radar.Im sorry but why would anyone want a radar gun that short charges your pitcher and makes them look worse than they really are? Please just fork out the money to buy a Stalker or pocket radar then you can be sure your getting near accurate speed readings and not second guessing yourself.
Have you guys tried FlightScope's X3B Baseball Tracking Radar Unit?
No, we haven't tried it. Just TM and Rapsodo
@@treadathletics Awesome! I currently work for FlightScope, please excuse the awkward youtube username, but we would love to partner with your organization and have you guys test out our radar in comparison to TM & Rapsodo by developing a youtube video explaining what you like and don't like. Let me know if that is something your facility is willing to do and we can further connect.
Hey man! Shoot us an email at contact@treadathletics.com
@@treadathletics Hi! I Shot you guys a couple emails, please let me know if you see them and we can further connect from there!
What’s the difference with Hawkeye?
hawkeye uses 12 cameras around the stadium to track the ball, pretty advanced software to isolate all aspects of the ball movement in flight but with all those cameras you get a ton of data
Do you all have a discount code for Pocket Radar?
Yes! Just added to the description. 10% off: TreadBaseball
@@treadathletics do you have one for PitchLogic?
I think the ball coach is better than the smart coach based on price I don’t really see a benefit to the smart coach other than the video option
The app integration basically allows you to make your phone or tablet a velocity board meaning you don't need two people to get readings.
The Smart Coach can be hooked up to tell you the velocity out loud. The video will include the velocity on it, so it could be valuable with recruitment, but it makes video of every pitch, so getting rid of a lot of unnecessary videos is a chore.
I have the smart coach now after my ball coach broke I like it way more
Track an is $30000 I thought
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