Our Destiny as a Species? | Spartan Children | Lore and Theory
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ก.ย. 2023
- In this episode: We discuss another subject recently discussed in discord, and tackle the subject of the future of the Spartans and if they truly are our destiny as a species.
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“We got to talk about sex”
What an opening. Really grabs you.
I had to reply that 3 times to understand I heard that correctly
Gotta set a tone… 🤣🤣🤣
LMFAO
I'm a little surprised that ONI didn't take sperm and egg samples from the Spartan II's,and try a few "Lets see if we can make a Super Spartan" experiments. Seems the sort of thing they'd do.
Who says they haven’t?
@@terranempire2 My thoughts exactly. xD
I don't think the ethics review board at ONI would have a problem with that. Or exists.
I believe the Spartan 5’s will be clones of the Spartan 2’s. At least some of them. I believe Locke was a secret prototype. That was why he was the one sent after master Chief. It was a test run. And he was completely unaware.
@@darkspark5854 that's a good idea therefore 343 would never think of it.
Once I learned how Spartans are made, I started believing that their genetic alterations would become standard for everyone in not only halo, but in reality as well.
Who's to say certain countries like China are not trying it now.
The top players in the NBA all have gene's that seem to help them succeed with playing basketball.
Russia actually had this program that would give women free food for sleeping with Olympic athletes and bearing children.
In world war 2 the axis and allied powers were looking into enhancing their soldiers and even researching super soldiers, the Nazis were especially famous for this.
Especially the weird occultism stuff they were doing.
I think we're discounting the possibility that Spartan to Spartan children might in fact be more difficult to bring to conception. We don't really know how the genetics would affect the pregnancy cycle or birth process. Would natural birth even be possible for Spartan babies and mothers or would it have to be C-Section birth? Either of which presents its own set of challenges, for instance...
Couldn’t they just put a fertilized egg into whatever it is they flash clone things in and have it grow at normal rates?
It’s not exactly natural but neither are any of the Spartans.
An artificial womb is definitely a possibility but Halo is frankly weird about tech. We get chemical propellent in the 26th century, for devil's sake. @@grantlauzon5237
Spartan 2.9?
There is so much that goes into pregnancy even after the 12 week growth where the body will either reject or accept the child. So many social factors, environmental, the mother's well-being... so many factors. The idea of superhumans mating and creating life would then have to be carefully nurtured by the society around the pregnancy. It blows mind to even consider how the genetic augmentations may effect the embryo and the counterbalances needed to level out the healthy growth of a child to help create a "well rounded" super human...
bro really had to open the video like that when I was watching with a room full of people
😂😂😂
I always imagined that "Spartan Children" would be the baseline foundation for "Spartan 5s" by augmenting the children born between two spartans making them stronger than past Spartan generations due to them being easier to augment further because they inherited traits from the parents.
For a while now, I've felt like the "last" story covered by the Halo timeline should be the conflict that arises when Humanity is forced to confront this question of "our destiny as a species". Off the top of my head, I can imagine four factions:
- Want to maintain the status quo.
- Want Augments to rule.
- Want to spread augmentation to all consenting humans.
- Want to put an end to augmentation entirely.
...this would probably make for a good time period to set a Halo MMORPG, to be honest. That way you could have a variety of species/classes to play as, with a good story excuse for why you might end up fighting with and against any of them in content.
I’m team no augmentations. For the most part humans and forerunners were the only ones to participate in such a thing and imo that’s not a positive in either case. Certain less invasive removable ones may be fine though. The real issue is that Bungie or the folks behind the extended lore made humans way to under powered. biologically, imo. Generally life in the galaxy would evolve or be designed within similar ranges of strength and speed, in other words I’d argue Halo over emphasis biological advantages over technological on ground combat.
1) Have augmentation be available to all.
2) If there is a conflict you could have them simply coexist of at most be separated but not enemies.
3) Technological sdvancement vould happen in all areas during/after the rise of augmentation. They have A.I. and that right there means game Over for all their enemies. Well, that and plasma weapons/shields.
But why MMORPG? Why not just video game as always with it's own story?
I would also like to put forward the idea that Spartan's are humanities future by the virtue of augmentations becoming more sophisticated, less invasive, and easier to come by. To the point that augmentations will become as readily available to civilians as the flu shot is in todays age.
I think that augmentation becoming more readily available will have a bigger impact than a few dozen Spartans doing the sex.
I agree, streamlining, affordability & proliferation of the augmentation technology to the majority of the population is more likely to occur at a much sooner rate that selective breeding. Though it'd probably still take several centuries in the context of Halo.
Most likely, though I think humanity in Halo should focus on developing the technological edge. What you’re describing while in lore is likely sounds an awful lot like what the Forerunners practiced.
Edit: I think it best for Humanity in Halo to learn from the mistakes of the Forerunners as well as Ancient humanity, rather than repeating them, though of course the Forerunners were far worse, a truly a vile arrogant society they had for the most part.
Another comment said that maybe Spartan Vs voukd be clones of Spatan IIs, to which vommrnt replied that would be a good idea and thus the developers of the game would not be able to create such cool storyline.
Here is what I think would happen in regards to how the generations have been so far:
Spartan V: Improved Spartan IV with no oversight required for maintenance or less oversight at least.
Spartan VI: Same as Spartan V just mow made to work with almost all of humanity candidates.
Spartan VII~IX: improvements snd adjustments, reworking everth8ng from the ground up
Spartan X: Safe, stable and affordable augmentation made for 99.999% of humanity, if not 100% of it.
There, no concern for the future if everybody becomes augmented with the same stuff.
I think the biggest shock to my system in any Halo lore video ever is discovering Sgt Avery Johnson's age at the time of Halo 3- which makes sense when I think about it but god damn that dude just lived a life of non-stop ass kicking. It's like the reverse of Jojo's- instead of being a 16 year old built like a 30 year old body builder, it's a 78 year old dude who just looks late 30s early 40s. And while smoking cigars and running into alien gunfire. And clapping alien cheeks. What a chad.
That's a lot of years knowing what the ladies like.
The real question here is, would a Spartan 1.1 who grew up and joined the Spartan-IV program be a Spartan-4.4 or a Spartan-5.1?
it's arguably less cool but they'd simply be spartan IVs, as 1.1 is simply a moniker. though they'd be EXTREMELY capable spartan IVs.
......remix.
@@ARuiz-eu3hk 4.5?
theyd be a god, double augmented and thirsty for alien blood.
Are their even any cannon Spartan 1's left?
"the inability to become intoxicated"
Just by being a spartan 1s offspring. straight edge asf
I don't think that's true. Because in the book Contact Harvest, there was a part where Johnson was indeed, shitfaced.
Sure, the Spartans might be the pinnacle of what we can become, but in a world of augments and regular people, there's always going to be tension that inevitably boils over into a war.
Remember at multiple points along our pre homo sapients sapients track you had multiple different Human ancestors in existence. A number came into conflict. But many interbred exchanging genes. Until a homogenization of the Species into Us.
Yeah, sorta reminds me of the eugenics war from star trek.
I would really like to see a video on master chief’s strength. Because I’d like to know if master chief can flip a scorpion in the lore
Im pretty sure hes done one on a spartan 2s hitting power and lifting strength I may be wrong on this
He has flipped a warthog that's 1*1 tons and musterd enough strength to move the anti matter bomb from Cairo station so it would be no different if he was put in that position
In the novel, 117 lifts a 100-ton boulder.
Consider the ability to amplify armor strength by 500%.
Spartan 2 can physically lift 20 tons is an approximate figure.
There is the fact that if spartan-4- class augments are safe they can and will be used on the population for mass augmentation. Like with a mobile phone before it was used in mass by the population where you could go without but when many have it you must have it or be at a loss because you are less productive or practical.
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We could have seen what would have happened if Chief and Cortana hooked up in Infinite but SOMEBODY in 343 chickened out of the plot in infinite and made sure it will now probably never happen unless there’s some time travel shit or Cortana is actually still alive which unfortunately I doubt considering how much effort 343 is putting into getting rid of her.
Which is why 343 sucks for that. That's like getting rid of MC.
Wait what?
Halo is grounded in ideas not too unrealistic. Hypothetically, the children of Spartan program participants would have what's hard coded passed down. Were those kids to be trained and experienced in a similar way they too would likely be hard coded and pass things down further. That's when things would get interesting further with passive dominant and recessive genes. Maybe your great grandfather was a hulking giant so on top of being a third generation spartan child you're a walking tank.
This reminds me of that big gigachad spartan from halo reach.
@@alexbrinzan9061 Jorge would have a brick of a kid
@@lucamckenn5932 true
Fascinating stuff. Reminds me of Nietzscheans from Gene Roddenberry’s Andromeda, with their augmentations, which resulted from a combination of selective breeding and genetic manipulation. The Latin name for them in the show is Homo Sapiens Invictus - Unconquerable Wise Man
Yes but In Andromeda they were not unique. High gravity worlders among others. The Nietzscheans were just one group of them who focused on maintaining themselves as a ethnic group of augmented humanity.
@@terranempire2 true. Just hypothesising and comparing - if Spartans started having children, as outlined, the outcome could be similar - a new strain of humanity
I adore ILB
So it was nice to see that lore being recognised
Damn do I wish that story continued.
Would love to see a Spartan 1.1 ODST style game with those characters going off to do their own thing.
Or Jan being inducted into the S IV program
I know. Started doing a fanfic of Jan and a few other Spartan 1.1s being inducted into the S-IV program, because the concept of it interested me greatly.
The fact that you are still posting content shows just how dedicated you are. Thank you for being a truly great creator
I think we should not rule out that the augumentations the Spartan I received are quite different to the augumentations of the other later spartan generations.
The Orion Project was discontinued and the only children that seem to have inherited the augumentations of their parents are the offspring of the Orion Project candidates. It might be that the primary augumentations of the Orion Project were genetically enhancements which proved not to be optimal, thus the discontinuation of the Orion Project and the focus of surgical enhacements of the Spartan II`s. But the side effect is that the children of the Orion candidates "provit" from the genetical augumentation and the children of other Spartans do not or to a lesser degree.
There is also the fact all the spartan-IIs where already genetically superior to others that’s why they where selected. There are so many untouched factors on how any of these kids can be different from others. So many combinations also.
Thanks bro for the shout out. I couldn't wait for this one hope everyone likes it
Our *destiny* as a species
has Nathan Fillion's character Buck in the thumbnail
I see what you did there...
In all honesty this line of thought can lead to only one place. Eugenics.
it would, yeah. Great to explore in Halo, but a thing I hope we never face again in real life.
@@ArgentWolf95 the worst part about the eugenics discussion is that purely analytically it's hard to argue against, at least from the elimination of diseases standpoint. But any type of ethical morality makes it abhorrent.
I hope we last long enough to truly realise our destiny as a species. I have this fear of us never making it to space and going extinct without having accomplished anything beyond the scope of our little planet
In our world, physiological traits gained during the parents' lives do not pass down to the offspring (a cut on the cheek doesn't pass to the child, nor a lost limb, nor does being a bodybuilder produce a buff baby). Only over many generations can we see evolutionary change, and usually due to an external stimulus pushing natural selection.
I love that Halo feels like it could happen in our universe, it feels realistic, it's a future we can believe. This idea that a newborn can inherit the augmentations of the parent pushes Halo towards fantasy.
I always found the Randall-037 storyline very weak - from a lore perspective. There were so many resources investing into the Spartan-II's and they were so critical to battling the Covenant that the UNSC wouldn't try to recover him is bizarre. It's like them going "whelp, there was this battle, and we think there is a perfectly serviceable heavy-crusier floating out there in space. But... it's all the way over there. We don't need one of those... do we?"
Granted, Halo: Nightfall was not exactly the most gripping entry into Halos EU.
He just looks like a regular, somewhat muscled guy. Far from a Spartan
@@peanutgallery4
Yup, weak, lazy storytelling.
We do know that in Halo 5, Buck married Dare possibly at the end of the Human Covenant War but we don't know if their still married after the death of the Rookie.
If their still married and Buck transferred into the Spartan Program, would they have kids before Buck became a Spartan or did they have any kids after the events of Halo 5?
I have to believe this is how ancient humans came about…history repeats itself
Well, unless the mom is a Spartan, I'd be worried about death from birth complications.
I am surprised that ONI doesn't have a new genetic breeding program with the dna of the Spartans for a future project (that we know of so far ;) ) OR some kind of psy op to arrange this sort of thing you speak of; arrange time for the Spartans to be together, intermixed and put them in positions to become... romantically involved.
plot twist; humans evolve to basically the brutes but with more smarts lol
What an opening to a video.
Imagine every human gradually being replaced by spartan 2 in every colony and 🌍 augmented humanity with more advancement over time. New version of humanity much stronger and adaptive 😊
Interestingly, enough in Halo 4 when The Librarian told the Master Chief that when she indexed humanity for re-population she had hidden seeds from The Didact seeds that she said would lead to an eventuality: Their Physical Evoultion (The Spartan Augmentations), Their Combat Skin (The Mjolnir Powered Assault Armor), and The use of Ancilla (Integration, Communiation, and Development of AI) As these were all things that were eventually developed by humanity to help them, reach their fullest potential as if this was The Librarian’s way of helping humanity regain what it was that they once lost. And she said that the chief was the culmination of over 1000 lifetimes worth of planning.
It's good to see that you're still doing videos. But I want to know Installation 00 are you ever going to complete What Halo could have been part 3?
Yes. I added another cool idea I had to the final part. Should be out this week.
@installation00
Good luck on the legal case man 👨 👍 🙏 😉 👌 😄
Boy, never thought I would be getting “the talk” from Uncle 00 lol
Man I love your content, I’ve got to ask as a Halo content creator what is your opinion on the “rumour” of Halo being rebooted from the ground up?.
My personal take is that they (MS,343) have realised they have written themselves into a corner (via bad storylines, dropped bullet points in those stories and characters etc) that they can’t think their way out of so their answer is to wipe the board clean and start again.
They aren't doing a reboot
It's just that. A rumour. It has no foundation in fact. But for the avoidance of doubt, I do have a video coming discussing it and why it was so quickly believed to be true.
Love ur videos, they’re always inspiring and spark my creativity and imagination. I hope ur current legal battles are going the way you want, and i hope you stick around for a long while! Per aspera ad Astra my friend
I wouldn’t worry. There aren’t enough Spartans or even potential Spartans in relation to the overall population for these kinds of selection pressures to be significant in terms of overall convergence of traits. 2 points to consider though: 1 - if off world travel is harder out in the boonies, shouldn’t there be significant genetic divergence of those civilian populations, given time? 2 - Historically we have reacted to the mere possibility of the threat of being outcompeted by people with an identifiable group status with control measures ranging from social ostracism to genocide. If any of those kids want to have a decent life, they had best get good at masking
The OG Spartan was 78!?......RIP Sarg....Damn few!
Joynson spent quite a while in cryo tho, still it seems that his augmentations still played a fundamental role in his age
I never understood the idea that Spartans age slow. Jorge, a Spartan II looked his age. The Master Chief, as shown in Halo 4, has age lines on his face .
They have been fighting their whole lives. Maybe the fact that they're constantly in high stress, physically difficult situations kind of cancells out the slower aging.
The H4 easter egg is non-cannon I think. Just there as a tease for completing the game on legendary.
As far as Spartan III’s are concerned Tom and Lucy are still alive from beta company are currently inside outpost Trevelyan (the interior of the onyx Dyson sphere inside of slip space) with Sangheili and thousands of other humans not to mention CPO Franklin Mendes so maybe one of them might have a child? The only gamma company, Spartans, I can think of that have been mentioned in the lore recently would be the survivors of Sabre team that are currently trapped on the ark with the spirit of fire. Sadly, it’s just Olivia and Ash now.😢 Rip Mark G-313
@Installation00 would it not be all most adequate to assume that if the divergence of mankind, in the same way would lead to either mass human augmentation or continuous civil war such as in the carver findings?
Best halo content creator out there, keep.up the good work
Well, if history has taught us anything it is that whether humanity is ready or not, it will occur. Humanity wasn't ready for many of its past advancements and society just got pulled along with the flow, humanity adapts as best as possible until it learns to cope as a species. I posted elsewhere about how past humanity wasn't prepared to live longer, their society was geared around being short-lived, they had children as early as possible to ensure survival, their needs were simpler. That argument involved was about how while it may take longer humanity doesn't need to jump headlong into something before they understand its implications for the species, however they instinctively do so out of our need for instant gratification. This trait is a doubled-edged sword because we will probe EVERY avenue that makes our lives easier, even if some of those are only in our minds and destructive otherwise, we fool ourselves that "easy = good" since it provides a new tier of comfort. However there is true good in this as well, if it weren't for this trait we would not display an unending pursuit of innovation and would have stagnated upon a technological plateau, we would theoretically be stable socially though since we would be forced to abide in whatever tier we found ourselves in. I have long pondered how humanity could have better prepared itself for advancements that expanded our knowledge base like radio, television, digital computing and later on the internet, humanity hadn't concerned itself with the negative mental impact these things would have upon society which are apparent in our world today. We certainly are nowhere near Spartan levels of augmentation which are mostly physiological, we are on the cusp of pursuing digital augmentation not simply with overlays like a HUD to take in more information but with artificial intelligence to TELL us more than we want to discern alone. This is dangerous in a few ways, one is like I stated the negative mental aspect that often transitions to a negative physiological impact, things become easier and people become lazier in turn as a more simple example. I can expound on thousands of facets within that one aspect alone but my initial argument boils down to having the discipline to utilize those advances without them ruling your life, humanity has shown that it barely treads water in practice. A more immediate threat is the use of artificial intelligence or rather "faux" artificial intelligence in society to manipulate people, this is already being done with advertisements to a sickening degree publicly through algorithms but if an AI with limitations were at the helm it could potentially unlock a greater tier of manipulation, some have surmised that we are already living that scenario. Lastly is maturity as a species, not all who are old are wise, advancement can and has fooled the world's population into believing that it is more intelligent, even a parrot can regurgitate words and chimps can imitate actions but humans do this as well very often. The aforementioned aspects are all in play as well, the self-delusion at the personal level and the mass manipulation by groups in order to control actions in the populace both through our tools, without discipline they lead us astray and our base intelligence diminishes since almost nothing gets committed to memory other than the action it took to arrive at answers through our tools. Good mental exercise, Installation00.
"If everyones super - noone will be" This would obviously eventually lead to, at first every human being genetically perfected, eliminating all challenge between humans and rendering live pretty much pointless and then turns us, either as a collective or as an individual, into something entirely new.
Spartan 4 kids would be amazing contractor and factory works for think like housing or drydocking
I believe the only way for "regular" humans to even have a remote chance to compete is to accelerate their evolutionary process. This entire dilemma reminds me of the Gundam series.
Very in depth video, great stuff
The total number given by the lore is 300 Spartan 1s at the height of the program. But as you said most are completely unknown.
You forgot that John Forge is likely a spartan 1.1, his father died of Boren's Syndrome and Forge's father's guessed age puts him in line with a washed out orion candidate
That would explain his ability to contend with an Arbiter with only standard issue marine equipment
Great video and a really interesting topic. Though I have one nitpick with your terminology:
You kept saying these children of Spartans could be a new “genus” of humans but you should have said “sub-species.” “Homo” is the genus name which all of them fall under
i def wanna hear more speculative halo videos, this is so cool
The real question here is, does ONI need to engineer new storks stronk enough to carry spartan babies to their parents?
Well I wouldn’t see it to be an issues until several generations in. The ratio of normal people compared to Spartans is like 1,000,000 to 1. So to even see the genetic differences would still be that, very few and far between, I’m not saying that it would be a problem down the line, but it wouldn’t definitely be interesting so see humanity evolve into a higher level of being
As an outsider watching the lore. It’s clear that At some point the Spartan genie is getting out of the bottle. Spartan 4 augmentations show that adult humans can be augmented. At some point someone will if not has already reversed engineer the process and open it for commercial purposes. As time progresses it is inevitable that Spartans will become more and more the baseline of humanity. Though you may have some hold out colonies who will be set to maintain a “Pure Humanity”. The Spartans are likely to proliferate and benefit from their advantages in survival. Their longer lifespans and higher levels of intelligence and survival making them far more likely to reproduce especially from Spartan 4s. Over time even systems like Mjolnir armor is likely to proliferate and become available to the population.
I think that in order to fix the gap of skill between normal and neo humans, a public augmentation program would be opened for free
Brilliant video as ever, mate. I think 343 could explore this a bit and try and do some good with it.
Another question, did Halsey set the traits to be always dominate
If you think about what the forerunners did and how they went through their mutations as they grew older it would make sense for Halsey to follow in their footsteps by saying this.
But is that a good thing? I mean I think that’s a good argument against going down that path 😂
Ah yes 10/10 intro SEGS
1:38 I guess sweet Williams do wonders for your complexion
Human society would become destabilized at the gulf between enhanced humans and baseline humans. I think ultimately the genetic enhancements would become democratized between every human citizen and society would end up structuring itself like the Forerunners. Every person would begin to enhance themselves to best suit their inherent traits and desires.
Inability to get intoxicated? No deal!
Granted the low drive was a potential side effect never outright a guarantee
I wonder if they discourage fraternization in their verse like they do in the army. I mean, at least in boot camp. But if you aren’t the same rank, you have to be very careful pursuing a relationship due to the dynamic of rank. Like the a creepy manager preying on the new hires. So I wonder if ONI has any such policy
Augments and designer babies are on the way. Geneticism would probably be humanity's last prejudice to overcome.
But macabre fantasies aside, those Blur cinematics still look so amazing
4:45 is that supposed to be a camera feed? I like the fisheye lens look
This is an interesting thought exercise. Since sperm are generated throughout a male's sexual lifespan whereas a female's eggs are with them from birth it's probably likely the first generation of female spartans wouldn't produce augmented offspring unless of course the eggs are modified by the process as a side effect. So it could be that only male 1st generation spartans are able to produce augmented offspring but if they were to have a daughter then she would be able to have an augmented child themselves.
Genetics are quirky so depending on if the augmented genes are dominant or recessive there's a chance a child of a songle spartan parent wouldn't have any augmentations themselves. You're on point with the potentially socio-economic ramifications of this too. It could lead to a whole new wave of class war and neo-eugenics
Heres what I would do as an ONI operative without any scruples (required in job description).
Fund outter colony with augmented population. Simple religious traditional pastoral life that encourages as many children as possible. Given a few generations of 12kids each and you have a space marine recruiting world.
I think oni would try to minimise this from happening, because of how much it would fire another insurrection
If I was a spartan 1 and knew of these passed down traits, I would donate my seed as far as I could spread it.
How much did Dr Halsey know about the Forerunners, The Covenant, The Human Empire, and the Reclaimers prior to the Spartan Programs?
yes, we would have too in order to evolve to face the threats after the Covie war
Part of the Spartan two selection process was Halsey looking for certain genetic markers since the Spartan two's have similar genetics could that cause complications in any children born from them
Similar as in they're physically and mentally superior, NOT being related. lol
Before the vid, it should be. Improvements and genetic programs that improve us. In all ways biologically should be the priority, will only help us long term.
0:00 LETS GOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
I have to wonder if after the augmentations are made available to the public if there is an attempt by the elite to limit it to them if a possible black market for augmentations may appear.
I thought it was confirmed in Kilo 5 that the Spartan II program saw the Spartans sterilized. Additionally, a lot of the genetic modifications would need to be determined as dominant or recessive in terms of allels. There would also be a considerable number of epigenetic changes which get passed on to progeny as base genetic make up
That was a exaggeration
It was mostly a risk along with other side effects but its was never confirmed
@@markss367Same with the reduced sex drive rumor.
If a child of spartan were to be augmented in the same way could they be compared to something like gamma company in the best case but without the drawbacks?
With the Halo franchise struggling (apparently) for new story content and lore. Could this not be the next evolution in the story line? Have chief rescued and then train the next rank of Spartans. These new Spartans could literally be the next physical generation. Maybe, have it where ONI grew them from salvaged DNA from the Spartan 2's?
Idk....just a thought
Hey, 00 how about you make a super soldier, like with knowledge and experience how about you make a super soldier with unique abilities and skills, or maybe take a normal human and try to enhance one practical aspect of him to the absolute maximum, like take the skeleton and different metals or shape it in different ways.
What was the video clip toward the end where the people in the restaurant watched the tv broadcast?
Fun fact Sargent forge was spartan 1.1
What is a god when it can't keep away evil? What is a god when it's will doesn't control all? When doom and destruction is prophesied, how how can't a god prevent it? If there is god, where is he? Did he leave? Was he disappointed and left humanity to their own tools in disgust? Did he deem humanity worthy of independence and free will? In the present time of teetering apocalypse, where is god when we need him now? But most importantly, are we now gods of ourselves?
Given how the offspring of Orion project candidates were born with genetic enhancements, wouldn't that make them near perfect Spartan candidates?
Spartain females may find it hard to have children as in normal human the fetus moves organs aside during pregnancy but this might not be able to happen in a Spartan based on there augmentation
Even if the organs shifted around properly, they'd still likely need a C-section: the bone augmentations might not let them open up far enough for a natural birth...
Why is Captain Malcom Reynolds from Firefly wearing Spartan armor in your title card?
Olympics are gonna be insane
Spartan 2s don't lack sex drives, that was just a rare side effect.
This whole scenario also reminds me of the movie Gattica, where discrimination based on genes becomes the norm, with the genetic elite getting all the jobs and opportunities over the "natural born" humans.
Not to mention the Nazi eugenics program to breed humans with "superior aryan traits" by hooking up women with SS officers.
This sounds vaguely familiar to X-Men and the concept of superpiwered beings living amongst paranoid humans. What could possibly go wrong?
Given that the Spartan-IIs were part of Halsey's solution to a pending civil war based on socio-economic strata, doesn't really matter if we would be ready for a socio-economic divide created by a new human subspecies. There is also the rate of propagation of both the Spartan offspring and the augmentation technology. Even with the IVs, the number of Spartan augmented individuals available for procreation would be miniscule to even the post Covenant War civilian population. One in a million would probably be a generous amount of Spartan x.1 individuals for a significant number of generations. And as to their economic viability, they might get along as elite athletes, maybe the odd standout in business/technology/science (a la Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, Albert Einstein, etc), but in the day to day, they still face the same shortfalls us vanilla humans have with increasingly automated technology. Task saturation is a thing, and no human can be in more than one place at a time.
that kids gonna be jacked.
So there're some issues with assuming that Spartan augmentations can be passed down. Any augmentation would have to have an effect on the gametes of the spartan, which is quite difficult to ensure happens.
First off I actually want to point out that the Spartan Is' children inheriting so many of their augmentations is most likely due to how new and unrefined the technology was, and since we have such a small sample size when it comes to who had children and what those children presented, we can't rule out the fact the some of those traits attributed to the augmentations passing down were actually just normal traits. We also can't forget that it's entirely possible negative traits could've been passed down as well. Gametes are very sensitive cells, and I wouldn't be surprised if someone actually investigated the gametes of the Spartan Is, they'd find an incredible amount of fatal genetic errors.
Genetic augmentations were likely implemented through an advanced and targeted form of CRISPR. For those unfamiliar, CRISPR is a process bacteria use in order to fight bacteriophages (viruses that use bacteria to reproduce) by saving pieces of the bacteriophage's genetic code; more or less a bacteria's immune system. We've discovered a way to use CRISPR to add specific genes to cells. Famously a doctor in China illegally used CRISPR technology to make to babies immune to HIV. Anyways, Halo's CRISPR technology is likely leagues ahead of our own, meaning the likelihood of CRISPR being implemented into unaccounted cells, such as gametes, is next to none. Augmentations meant for the nervous system stay in the nervous system. Augmentations meant for the renal system stays in the renal system. Unless ONI, or more likely Halsey, wanted the augmentations to affect gamete cells, very few genetic augmentations would pass down. One likely to have passed down would be one that affected the aging process in Spartans. That augmentation would have to have infected every cell in the human body to work correctly, else there'd be the risk of certain parts of the body deteriorating much faster than the rest, leading to unforeseen consequences.
Chemical augmentations were also targeted to aid in muscle and bone density and growth, primarily, iirc. These likely have to be redone periodically, no matter what group of Spartans it is. IIIs and IVs likely have to have them more regularly due to them receiving them later in life, while IIs more intensive augmentation likely allows them to go longer periods of time without needing a tune up, so to speak. Muscle cells are replaced every 10-16 years, depending on the person and level of strain put on the muscles. Bone cells take long, around 25 years. Given the amount of strain put on their bodies, I wouldn't be surprised if Spartans end up having their bone and muscle cells die and replicate at a faster rate than the average human. Team Osiris probably have to have injections at least once every ten years, much like a tetanus shot. Meanwhile Blue team might get away without having injections for twenty or so years. However individuals like Kelly likely receive injections more frequently due to how her augmentations led to her absurd speed and leg strength. Anyways, given these augmentations are targeted for specific tissues, they'd likely not be passed down.
Finally we have the surgical/physical augmentations. While it is true that you don't inherit a hip replacement or a scar from your parents, physical stimuli can actually cause genetic changes in a person. That brings us to the fact that while direct augmentation to the gametes is unlikely, hormonal changes could have affected the genetic structure of the gametes. Maybe any hypothetical children of Kelly's couldn't outrun a cheetah, but they'd definitely leave Usain Bolt in the dust as just an example. This is much more likely to occur in male gametes, as they're continually produced throughout a male's lifetime. Female gametes can certainly be affected, but usually they die from hormonal changes due to the stresses of life.
A few other reasons augmentations probably won't pass down, or at the very least pass down completely rather than sporadic clumps of possible influence:
Life is stressful and gametes do not like stress. The stress of the augmentations, the stress of the war, and the unique stresses of the 26th century (i.e. being cryogenically frozen for periods of time or being exposed to unique forms of radiation from weaponry or missions into space, etc etc) likely do incredible damage to gamete production and stability.
Deliberate interference by the augmentations. Spartan Is' augmentations being less refined, Spartan IIs' likely to have not just affected sex drive but probably inadvertently affected gamete production, Spartan IIIs' aggressive augmentations likely doing unforeseen damage to certain "unnecessary" systems, and Spartan IVs' probably being given something by ONI to keep their gametes from working, whether they know it or not.
Now as far as the possible sociopolitical an socioeconomic impact of augmentations spreading throughout the population. I don't think it'd actually be that complicated. There's already talks today about the future of CRISPR in being used to repair any genetic errors a fetus presents and the rabbit hole of "designer babies," which sounded pretty much word for word on how you described these Spartan augmented children becoming more prevalent in the population.
There are two main ways I see this happening:
The darker route is pretty simply. Given that Spartan augmentations are, for all intents and purposes, military property, any children born with these augmentations are by extension, military property, or at the very least unlawfully in possession of it. ONI and the UNSC can very much force them to stick to military roles or have them sterilized as to not continue passing down the augmentations.
The more complicated route is that a civilian set of augmentations are introduced. Most likely these will be purely for medical application; muscle regrowth, repairing brain damage, etc etc. Time goes on and companies acquire the rights to offer augmentation to their workers that compliment the work they do, perhaps even requiring a person agree to augmentation after being hired on. Celebrities, mainly athletes, will likely be the first people to get augmentations for "recreational" use. Even though they will likely pertain to their career, I could see the fact that they will start the idea of getting augmentations simply to perform better with no real purpose other than that. Augmentations stop being a need and become a want at this point. By then most "regular" humans will be those who specifically chose not to be augmented for one reason of another.
I think I heard about Spartan 1 Children being given augmentations at infancy to prevent any damaging defects based on the halo wiki I read. This means that the parents of the Spartan 1.1 took precautions to make the children of the Spartan 1s would be safer and treated to be the case beforehand.
Do we know how many Spartan IVs are left after the events of Halo Infinite?
Damn this is interesting
You know what's funny??? I've actually did a bit of a report on the possibilities of genetic augmentation and gene therapies in the future. It wasn't an a+ work, something about not properly noting down the sources I quoted and hypothesized information based off of, although I DID at least give credit to the online papers and articles I based everything off...
Imagine being able to test and screen out genes that will more or less make you immune to most diseases. What could we do with a group of people with these things? Well, editing genes for making someone disease resistant, isn't that far from tweaking genes to get superior strength or eyesight, or even height or other aspects, when you think about it, and let's be honest here... Not everyone is going to be using such things for the good of mankind...
To be clear, this report was in highschool, for science, and was really more of a "what if" or a "this could happen in the future if" than actually saying "I believe it will happen", in case anyone was wondering
Is this a re-upload? I feel like its dejavu but i csn quite place it
Nope. It is an expansion to a video I did on Spartan 1.1s however.
@@Installation00 looking back i think its expanding on some of your points on the s4's poor reception by the community