how to stain a canvas
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ต.ค. 2012
- I NOW RECOMMEND DIFFERENT PAINT FOR THIS PROCESS. Please see drawmixpaint.com/supplylist for more information. I will be remaking this video soon to reflect the changes and explain why I had to change my recommendations.
I am so happy to have found this channel. There are thousands if not millions of videos, books and websites dedicated to tutorials for anything ranging from guitar to carpentry. These videos are undoubtedly some of the most helpful and concise that you will find on any subject anywhere on the planet. Such a great channel...
you are so gracious to share your extensive knowledge ! Thank you!
Laurel Knight no problem!
Just stained my first canvas! I typically use acrylic paint but I've been itching to try oils, so here I go! Thank you so much for all your down to earth instructions!
I like both the single and double primed #13, can't really tell the difference.
the purpose of staining a canvas is not mandatory, its purpose is mainly to give a neutral colour to start the painting on; the eyes tend to be rather overwhelmed with all the white so the neutral colour allows the artist to judge value against a medium tone rather than the white!
Again, it isnt necessary but does help, if nothing else, to fool the mind into feeling that the painting has started! I think we have all felt stupified staring at a blank canvas! lol
Steven Jones cool
Yeap been there :)
But why is it brown? How about gray?
What kind of white paint is that?
The only thing I find with tinted backgrounds, the painting ends up darker... but I have more fun doing it... I don't like the darkness of final paintings, but it's a trade off for me. As I'm not really getting anywhere with my art mostly, I have to enjoy the process, or else what's the point of doing it.
I'm so thankful I can watch you work. It really helps elevate my art. I was going to buy a brown gesso but now I can mix this up pretty fast. Thank you!
Thanks for all your videos. They are so helpful to us beginning artists. I especially like your video "The myth of natural talent" and the one where you paint the silver cup. Of course all of them are excellent and so encouraging and helpful. Thank you.
absolutely adore your videos! I've been binge watching them for hours
Wowwwww thank you so much for sharing your info so clear and generous 🙏👏👩🎨
Thank you for sharing the knowledge... I am a beginner for oil based colours. All your videos are very helpful for me.
Hi, I like to tone the canvas with a mix of Burnt Sienna and mineral spirits. Paint it on canvas, then rub it out with paper towel. Leaves a nice light sienna tone.
Love it! Thank you for your generosity :)
Thank you so much for sharing you talent in your videos. Can you advise, with acrylics, should you stain the canvas? If so how should it be done properly. I have not ventured to oils yet.
Another great lesson !
Hi Thank you for your videos and website. Can you tell me if I my painting is going to hav a lot of white in it should I still stain the canvas this color. I am wanting to paint some white and cream roses.?
Would you tone a canvas like this for a landscape painting or only portraits and still lifes?
Exelente con subtitulos!!! Felicidades.
Hi. Thanks for the training. Just I have one question... can I use Methylated spirit instead of mineral spirit? Thanks again
Saludos desde Medellin, Colombia.
Felicitaciones por su gran trabajo.
Por favor me responde lo siguiente:
¿ El titanium white opaca un poco el burnt umber para el manchado del lienzo? o no tiene nada que ver?
Muchas gracias
parece QUE si.
Hello, thx for vid and website etc. I have a question as to the tooth of your preferred canvas. From what I can tell thru vids your seem to be fairly smoothly primed, the foundation white providing tooth rather then a pronounced weave, is this correct...close too? :) I like the "red bole" like ground to work with as well and find the alkyd based 'foundation' white to be a good final layer before painting. As you stated the tooth etc. of a canvas is a bigger deal than I a had figured upon at 1st.
Hi, Please clarify if you prime your canvases with oil primer and then stain them as a separate step? Can these steps be combined? Thanks for all your videos/ resources. I am learning so much!
I use turpentine oil for cleaning brushes. And linsed to dilute. Can I use turpentine oil to stain canvas too as it is cheap as compare to linsed oil
WARNING! I used to stain my canvases like this, not anymore. What happened - after a while on most of those canvases oil color layer started to crack and peel off. That wasn't just one time event, it happened on most of the canvases I had stained like this. I'm not sure what went wrong. Anyway, now I stain my canvases with turpentine wash of a burnt umber or any other warm earth color and my paint layers stick to the canvas perfectly.
Excellent video - thank you. I couldn't quite catch the dry time. Did you say wait 4-8 hours before penciling on the canvas, or was it 48 hours? Thanks.
did you prime with gesso or any materials your canvas first?
I don't know what I did wrong but after getting the color I added a little mineral sprits and it immediately turned ten shades darker. In addition the oil and mineral spirits never really mixed fully, I had dark brown mineral spirits with a glob of oil paint in it. I mixed for about twenty minutes and also tried adding a little more mineral spirits before I gave up. It was about 45 degrees in the area I was working, could that have something to do with it? any suggestions would be appreciated
What would you suggest for a less toxic stain? i.e. Can I use Safflower oil to thin out the paint instead of Mineral Spirits?
If you put white paint over it, would the white not look as white than if you put it over a white canvas? No back lighting underneath for a translucent medium mixed paint? because of the tan?
Thank you Mark for your video tips! The Claessens # 13 canvas that you are using - is it the DP (double primed?) I have used the Claessens #12 DP and found it too thick for portraits, plus it has a very strong odor (not unpleasant, but I am sure unhealthy) compared to other oil primed canvases that don't smell at all..
hi Mark what brand of mineral spirits do you use?
Should I do some gesso work before doing this?
Does this have the same effect as gesso?
Can a foam brush be used with an oil ground coat? Or is the canvas at this stage too rough of a surface? What about a low-nap roller or foam roller?. I would worry that a roller might force paint down through the Gesso into the canvas -- and oil and canvas don't play nice together.
Do you ever find that the tone value of your toned canvas, ever relates to a shadow tone value, or, does it always relate to light, or mid lights.thanks.
Can you tell me what number on a gray scale that would be, approximately. Thank you for sharing all of your knowledge. I am not a realistic painter but I find myself returning to your site.
gracias..muchas gracias
I mixed and odorless paint thinner ( mona lisa brand) and an yellow oil paint color for the base, i feel i made a mistake it has been 2-3 days and its still wet, should i just clean the surface of it, because ots not drying?Thank you!
Damn. I just take some burnt umber, solvent, and a rag. Fantastic video
were do you get your paint in stores or wholesale,?
Mark, do you apply anything to the canvas before you paint it with the base color?
Hello Mark, I've bought Winsor&Newton Artist underpainting white, will it be ok for staining canvas? Can I use underpainting white exclusevily for on store bought primed canvas in order my paint looked better on it?
Can I stain canvas to only painting on it several moth later?
THANK YOU very much.
to avoid fumes, could I stain my canvas using a mocha acrylic paint then do my oil painting over it?
That burnt umber is acrylic or oil?
The fast drying white is like gesso correct? And thats like an acrylic right? I thought you did the base coat with acrylic and the put oil on top of it.. i just used gesso, burnt umber acrylic and mineral spirits and the out come was.... a mutation of some sort ... like this jello like paint
Hello- what if one does not have the color can one combine colors from the primary colors on your palette 🎨? Thanks
Mark, to avoid toxicity of mineral spirits, would staining with acrylic paint be advisable? It would dry quickly and thins with water
I really appreciate your approach to painting because you mostly use nontoxic substances. When you stain a canvas, is it possible to use paint alone without the mineral spirits to obtain a stained background color? Is the main reason that you use the mineral spirits to thin the paint and to speed the drying time? I know that you might need to wait a little longer for paints to dry without the mineral spirits, but for some people, it might be worth it.
Good morning. Im going to paint a black dog portrait with a light blue background, should I just stain the underpainting of the dog with your mixtur og burnt and white ? And paint around him with the light blue. I find this quite confusing. Many Thanks.
Thank's a lot :) you're great. . . I
Can we use Titanium White paint?
Could I use Acrylic for staining?
I would really like to avoid alkyd so that it is necessary to paint outside or a garage - i am a great admirer of all your wonderfull teaching in oil painting
yes you can put oil over dried acrylic
What are mineral spirits. I use water mixable oil paints...I have really bad respiratory problems and live in an apartment that doesn't have great ventilation Plus there is no where to dispose of dirty turpentine and much easier to clean the water mixable oil (just telling you why I use it). anyway, can I still use some of your tips? or most/all of them? such as this tutorial in staining the canvas? and what kind of varnish should I get.
gamvar is killer varnish
Is this the same colour as the Geneva canvas stain you sell? Because the Geneva stain looks pink on the videos. Like the demo of the drape, I am a bit confused. Do you use two different kinds of stain?
Why wouldn't one use a color close to what photographers use (used to use?) for tricky light meter situations, the '18% gray' card? Is it that burnt umber adds warmth?
+John Smith That's a good question and I will try to answer it in my next Q&A show episode as it's something I've been wanting to talk about.
Hi Mark.
I like tour videos very much so keep up the good work : )
One question for you...
Is it possible to stain canvas with acrylic colors?
Thank you
+Lu Xon As far as I know, it's okay to paint oil paint on top of acrylic paint, so yes, although I recommend the fast-drying alkyd oil paints I recommend specifically for staining on this page: drawmixpaint.com/supplylist
Sometimes I paint a crazy mixture of car yellow deep, yellow ochre and magenta, not much magenta, it works well to help me get those sky's that just pop
Thank you for the tutorials! Question: How important is it to us the quick dry white? Would a regular titantium or zinc white work for staining?
+Jonathan Snow *use
tsk! You know nothing, Jon Snow.
Jonathan Snow he said he likes the bite of the quick dry
What is staining for?
So what do I do here? I've stained my canvas too dark. How do I lighten it. I know, should have watched your video first! I initially used gesso and too much Paynes Grey. HELP.
thats a lot of Burnt umber underneath , dont you have issues with cracking later on Mark ? Best Regards
I have no Burnt Umber, all I got is red, blue, and yellow,so I'll settle for those and see how close I get to that color😁
You can get burnt umber by mixing the primary colours
@@samyumail1 yeah I actually got a pretty good match👌
lol. I get that all the time.
Is this instead of gesso?
I don’t know what is mineral spirit. Anybody know?
HiDo you gesso the canvas before staining it? If so what brand do you use? I stain mine with very thinned out Burnt Sienna .Thank you
+bea gustafson The canvas I recommend in the supply list - drawmixpaint.com/supplylist - already comes primed so it does not need additional gesso.
thanks for the great video.
I am a little unclear regarding staining and canvas and the concern of fat-over-lean.
The way I understand it, at the bottom, we've the support (canvas., board ..etc.), then we've something like rabbit-skin glue followed by lets say an oil primer. It seems to me that the oil primer is pretty fat since it came soaked in linseed oil. Yes, we would thin it for application but I'd guess its fatter than what you (or I would have been) doing here.
Another related question would be some artists like to have semi-transparent washes (eg of umber) to start their painting. Sort of a monochrome watercolour-like sketch, before they actually paint. Some of these washes may remain un-covered in the fished work (eg, in the shadow area). Again, would this be a violation of fat-over-lean?
thanks in advance.
Fat over lean has to do with wet layers and cracking during the drying process due to different drying times. The staining and preparing of the canvas, i.e. Gessoing or priming, is allowed to dry completely before the actual painting has begun.
On a scale from 1-10, what would you guess the value to be for the stain?
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Do you have to use a pre-primed canvas before applying stain? Or is the stain itself considered sufficient priming? I am new to oil painting, please help. Thank you
ชาวส์ RPG I bet you have found the answer to your question by now. But, yes, the canvas must be primed...the last step in making the canvas.
Think of the stain as the first step in painting. Apparently, a neutral Stain will help in getting close to the truest colors ( And possibly help in color matching). Hope this helps.
is there anything else we can use to stain the canvas instead of using mineral spirits ? can we mix water with the colours ?
MindOverArt oil and water don't mix so no, this is why oil colors have to be thinned down using other mediums unlike acrylic and water color which are water soluble
hi. could I use also acrylic paint for this step?
yes, he recommends fast drying alkyd oil paints, but acrylic are also ok (thats what he replied to another user who asked the same thing) ... and in my personal opinion acrylic colors are perfect for staining a canvas. The paint dries super quickly, and i never had any problems... :-D greetings from Switzerland ...
I have asthma. How would I do this without mineral spirits?
Dear Mark, I'm writing from Paris (France not Texas. Cheers to Wim Wenders). I have a problem with the staining. On your video "I paint three peaches" (I love this video) your staining seems really different that the one on your video "How to draw in proportion". Do you have any clew concerning the intensity of your stain ? (color, pantone ref....). Many thanks in advance and please keep going, you're absolutely the best teacher I've ever seen.
All these videos are so helpful! I am starting painting properly for the first time. Is refined linseed oil the same as mineral spirit? Does it matter if I use Refined Linseed oil for the stain? Thanks!
Linseed oil and mineral spirits are completely different- one is an oil pressed from flax seeds, the other is a petrochemical. They'll both thin paints, but they react completely differently.
Bippy Grace Thank you that is very helpful!
Bippy Grace how about turpentine?
Can i use turpentine instead of mineral spirits?
I would not, Hania Elkomi . My understanding is that turpentine breaks down the bonds inside paint much like nail polish remover breaks down nail polish. There's nail polish THINNER that works to de-goopify nail polish in a manner that does not damage the varnish.
You can get a big jug of mineral spirits from Walmart for under $5.00.
With art, you can do all sorts of things with all sorts of things- but if you want to get the best results, it's usually a good idea to go with the right tools, as high quality as you can manage. I have some early work from my teens where I didn't do that, and it's all falling apart from me not understanding that some of the things I was using were too acidic for long term stability, which is a real shame.
Bippy Grace ohh okay now I understand. I don't live in the US, we don't have a walmart nor a target where I live but I'll keep looking. Thank you so much for the information tho x.
Can I stain a canvas and use it only ten month later? There is a time limite between stain and painting on it?
No time limit.
Could I use liquin instead of mineral spirits?
I've been using a Liquin/paint slurry for years as a base wash and it works great. Shorter drying time too.
Why does no manufacturer produce a line of already neutral-color stained canvases, alongside with classic white canvases? I would be happy to pay a canvas a little extra more for that plus, spare me the time and the smelly staining color mix...
Dorimant Heathen they still havnt produced the brush dip
Richeson panels come stained with either umber or gray and they also come in white
Is there a problem with using an acrylic paint to stain the canvas?
I do and see no issue. Saves time.
Im not understanding the purpose of mixing up a stain. Why not just paint a neutral base color on the canvas?
Good news, I heard a rumor that brush dip is on the way!
Gosh, I have no idea, it would depend on the scale type. Use the cardboard test like in the video, the color is not critical.
I am really surprised to see you use the paint thinner from the big box stores... didn't peg you to be the one to use something with solvents as unrefined on a canvas... recently I have refrained from using them for anything other than cleaning purposes. Mostly in my urethane of woodworking only.
is that acrylic?
oil paints: Holbein white and burnt umber mixed with mineral spirits.
" to answer the lady's question "why" its because the local colors(applied later) will jump out more with something neutral under them......................................Digitalogo
Why do we need to stain the canvas? Curious...
Misana it will smoothen the canvas
Misana he mentions that you get a truer color and if you have any show through, it won't be white showing through.
Nevermind found it
Did he say 4 to 8 hours or 48 hours ?
48 hours I think.
Okay u prime it opaque
Why not compare the stain to your palette?
Would using acrylics for this be okay?
W&N says so: www.winsornewton.com/na/discover/tips-and-techniques/acrylic-colour/acrylics-as-underpainting-layers-us
but I want to make sure.
Dont worry about the dislike you got ... you are great 👍🏼...
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Question here and I'm being honest why do you stain a canvas
Steven Davis if the canvas white it would make the colors look darker than it really is and if it black canvas any color would be lighter so the neutral stain on the canvas is the perfect base
Why don't you just stain some Gesso ?
lol wtf who staples their canvas on the sides that's strange
Alexandra M - It's been a fairly common way to do it for the last 300 or so years. Once framed you don't see the nails (or staples). Canvas with staples or nails on the back are intended for show without a frame.
Lol omg brb, like, wtf
too dark