My new secret for DIY gessoed panels!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ก.พ. 2023
- The stuff I used in the video is called "Neutral pH adhesive" by Lineco. You can find it easily on blick.com or jerrysartarama.com ...and maybe on Amazon too. (don't hold me to those sources...that's beyond my control). haha!
I also mentioned my gesso. Right now I use Golden brand, but I also like Fredrix, Utrecht...basically, I'll try anything and make it work. And here's a little hint: if your gesso is too smooth, just add a bit of chalk dust or plaster powder to it, a little at a time.
Any questions, just ask! Also, look me up on the web and also on Instagram, where I post pretty often.
End credit music by my son, @Alexgudmusic - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
Well, looks like I'll be prepping boards like this now. Thanks Trent!
I was so happy seeing your children. I watched all the time when they were small.
So glad you got to see them, if only for a few seconds. They sure have grown, right?!
I have used muslin glued to hardboard, with a coat of PVA, and then oil ground. It works quite well, and provides a smooth surface with just a bit of interesting surface variation.
That’s a cool idea. I’d actually like to try that at some point. I’ve seen other people do that with muslin or even gauze! (There’s one artist I’ve seen who crumples up the soaked gauze in places for additional texture!)
I have a large box of white fabric, from gauze to duck cloth that has potential!
Thanks Trent! I always love to learn from you!
Thanks! I’ll try to get more uploaded.
Very interesting! I’ve never seen that product but I will keep my eyes open for it. Thank you for sharing this idea!
You bet! Someone else pointed out that Elmer’s glue will work too, which is true…but this one is flexible which makes it a little more versatile.
I remember you were using Zinser at one stage on the hard board, and the oil based one really stinks. I use Acrylic and make my own panels using traditional techniques, then I use the PVA type glue as a sealant I leave it usually twenty-four hours between Coates. And just to make things even more difficult for myself, I cover them with canvas after priming white, and Gesso that. The effect is very different and allows the artist some huge latitudes when working on the canvas as they are effectively solid and hard (it takes about two weeks) although I understand the Byzantines would spend a year or more on a single panel for icons, so it is no wonder they are still around. I am not in any rush, I reached my seventieth year this Christmas, and I don't think it true that time goes faster the older you get, you just have more of it in your head.
Anyway, nice to see you and the kids. Take care and best regards to you and your family.
Oh, and a nice piece of music by Alex at the end there.
I like your process! Yes, I can imagine that it would make a very strong panel! I used to apply my linen to the panels with this pva glue…I really liked the texture, although the linen was very expensive, and the galleries and buyers never seemed to care anyway (which was why I put that on hold 😅).
Nice to hear your thoughts on time, and now that I think about it I agree…makes me a little less apprehensive about getting older.
Thanks for the well wishes for the family. They’ve been telling me lately that they wouldn’t mind being on TH-cam again. 🙂
@@TrentGudmundsen That would be nice to see you all again.
I think on a canvassed panel front, the buyer may or may not notice. The thing is I am in a position not to care as I do not want to sell them, so it is what matters to me that is important. And my kids (mid-forties) say they like them, well they would really anyway.
We are under the cosh here what with the war and post covid chaos, painting is my only escape.
If it can help: I use acrylic gel medium to glue canvas to masonite. Realy works well.
That’s a really great suggestion! Thank you!
@@TrentGudmundsen You are more than welcom :)
Acrylic gel medium is magic ❤
Cool idea! thanks Trent!
You’re so welcome, Jack! I’m always looking for a more efficient way!
Trent, dawno nie publikowałeś...mam nadzieję, że wszystko w porządku. Pozdrawiam z Polski.
Thank you for the info.
Thank you for sharing.
I love your page... Keep being great!
🙂 thank you!
Thanks for sharing that trick. 👍
You’re welcome!
Trent, love your paintings! I'm trying to determine how to prime hardboard panels and I just watched a previous video of yours on how you primed your boards with Zinsser Cover stain primer. Did you switch to using PVA and gesso for a reason? Which method are you recommending for long lasting and quality surfaces and ease of paint application?
Hi Ariel, thanks! The truth is, I’m always experimenting, and I’ve never found a primer/gesso that I’m perfectly happy with for every single application. In other words, sometimes I want to explore a more “scratchy” surface and other times a smoother one…it sometimes just depends on the subject I’m doing, or the size of the painting. I have a dozen or more cans of different glues and gessoes and paints (as well as different powders) that I’ll mix together in different proportions. However, I would say that I don’t suggest using the Zinsser primer on anything that could easily bend or stretch, as it cures very hard and you don’t want cracking. My honest suggestion is that you just try several and go with whatever you like best, but always be sure to do enough coats that you’re sure it’s really sealing against the oil paint. Good luck!
Si funciona el pegamento.
Sólo utiliza una brocha más grande !!!!!!!!
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Saludos Cordiales.
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Hi Trent! Don’t know if you remember me but a few years ago I inquired if you give painting lessons remotely and you said you did. I was not ready at the time to begin oil painting but now I am. Are you still teaching and, if so, how can we get started?
Thanks
Btw...good to see you! Miss your videos!
Double thanks! I’ll try to make more…I’ve wanted to for awhile, and now have the support of my older kids. 😅
Hey Trent, have you tried the micheal Harding non absorbant gesso primer. Seals, primes and gessos any surface - no other product needed. Great stuff.
No, I didn’t know that MH made such a product. (Makes me wonder if it, too, is made with pva glue). Would be fun to try it out and see! Thanks!
Linseed oil isn't really poisonous to humans or pets, but some think that it has an unpleasant odor. Usually for panels like this masonite etc. I use a product called Kilz PVA. This way I get to skip the step with the gesso. I have a clean white surface that is sealed. But any PVA product will do including Elmer's glue! I am currently painting on a panel like this as a mural. It's 4x8 ft.
I once used Kilz PVA with disastrous results, but I admit there may have been other things happening. Anyway, that’s great to know that it’s worked well for you!
I saw an artist that uses this to glue her linen to the hardboard.
Oh yeah, that totally works! It’s a really product to have on hand!
A nie wystarczy pomalować płytę pilsniową gessem akrylowym i potem akrylem? Ja tak robię i maluję farbami olejny na takim gruncie i jest super, to po co to komplikować?
Great tip! I hate sanding too... Let's talk about all of the music in the room. Do you play guitar? Have you posted anything? Most creatives have (need) other outlets.
Musically, I tend to go in spurts where I’ll really focus on music and make great strides, but currently I feel a little out of practice. I’m no pro by any stretch, but I’ve got a good ear. You saw the guitar and bass…I also have a violin, drum set, and piano that I practice on. I’d love to share some of my music someday, but what I’d love more is a group to jam with!.
HAHa! I don’t like sanding AT ALL either…..Thank you!!
Hi Trent! What are your thoughts on Valspar PVA primer? I saw it at Lowes.
Hi TJ, I’ve never used that one but I wouldn’t shy away from trying it. At Lowe’s you should also be able to find a small bag of plaster of Paris, which I would buy to have on hand in case you need more “tooth” (absorbent texture) in that or any other primer you try. But yes, any primer, whether acrylic, pva, or oil based, should technically work as an oil painting primer…it’s just that the thickness and/or quality might not be quite what you’re looking for…but try it! You might be pleasantly surprised! (And let me know if you love it!) 🙂
@@TrentGudmundsen thank you! I will!!!
@@TrentGudmundsenthat pva paint is not good. Using the PVA adhesive you recommended 😊
Nice,..I remember you used to use the oil (killz) primer, is it just a matter of this being water based and easier and less smelly?
I remember that and I think I remember Trent using Shellac as well.
I tried that when he shared it but I put it on stretched canvas and it all cracked off in time. 😢
Angelo, yes, that’s exactly why I use this. The Zinsser stuff is really quite permanent on panels, but I can’t use it in the winter at all because it’s always snowing or at least freezing every day of winter where I live…the fumes are horrible.
Both the shellac and the Zinsser oil primer will absolutely crack if used on fabric. They’re definitely only for panel/boards.
I’m curious to know why you switched to water based gesso after using oil based / zinser for so many years?
I still use the Zinsser stuff in the warm months. The acrylic gesso is much faster drying and has no noxious fumes, so I use it exclusively in the cold or wet months. I think the take-away is that I use whatever keeps me painting. 😁
Is this their PVA with a different name? I actually have a collection of glue that I need to use up. And, back when I did decorative painting in wood, we always sealed both sides to prevent warping. Have you noticed warping to be a problem?
Hi Kathleen, there are a lot of different kinds of pva glue, it seems. Elmer’s is apparently made of pva just the same as this bookbinder’s adhesive is, but I like that this stuff remains kind of soft forever. And yes, I definitely think it’s a good idea to seal both sides. I usually spray shellac on the back of the boards, which is the quickest solution I’ve found (also, it dries in a matter of minutes). But if it’s raining or freezing outside then I’ll just paint a coat of glue or gesso on the back. What do you use for the backs?
@@TrentGudmundsen When I was painting on wood, (Back in the 70s and 80s), I used varnish or sealer - whatever I was using on the front. I just coated the whole thing, and sanded it one more time before painting on it. I did a lot of sanding on the finishes, too, including down to using brown grocery bags as the final sand - it's surprisingly effective. Even the canvas boards need to be sealed on both sides, unless you like warped painting.
I was always told that Elmer's was not PVA - I think by Elmers. I know it smells different and is a lot cheaper than stuff labeled PVA. If it was PVA, they could make more money on it! LOL! I know that at least in Britain, they have some much cheaper PVA than we have in the States!
Hi Trent
So it seems you'r not using the Zinsser Primer Sealer anymore? Tell me if I'm wrong but I thing there's no need for sanding before applying this primer...
Also I use acrylic gel medium or Mod Podge to glue my canvas to masonite.
And finnaly I just bough a roll of cotton canvas with 4 coats of primer on it. Surface is verry soft. My question is did I made the good thing in purchasing it. It is 8 oz and previously I was using 10 oz ...
Thank you for your generousity and please keep on showing us your outstanding work :)
Regds
Yves La Rocque
I still use it sometimes, and yea, you’re correct that the board doesn’t need to be sanded first (which is why I started using that in the first place).
Regarding your pre-primed canvas that you purchased, I never think something like that is a waste; rather, when I get something I don’t like, I just change it until I like it. I’m this case I would probably glue it to a board or simply add another coat of my favorite gesso (or both). I don’t really have a perfect answer, as it’s always just an experimental process for me… I just like to just try things until I get something I like.
Thank you for you quick response Trent.
Have a nice and good day whit all your family :)@@TrentGudmundsen
Hey welcome back! Is there another channel I don't know about?
Hey thanks! Haha! That took me a second 😅Well, we do have our family channel, @artandhomesteading …not really much art in that one but you might find it enjoyable (it actually has about three times as many subscribers as this one).
Elmer’s white glue works.
True, it does. I’ve used it for the same purpose with fine results. I think the thing I like about this one is that it remains flexible. But yes, Elmer’s will definitely work.
Merhaba.. Türkiye istanbuldayım. Tüm resimlerini zevkle izledim. Kullandığın önceki vidyodaki cesso ve bu vidyodaki cesso yu Türkiyede bulacağımı zannetmiyorum..
Where have you been hiding?. What's happen to your channel?.🙏🇬🇧
(your comment here is what finally got me to upload, so thanks! 😉)
@@TrentGudmundsen I've been following you for years bro.👍🇬🇧