A Slice of Bosnia in Türkiye 🇹🇷
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 พ.ค. 2024
- Join me as I visit the Bosnian town of Ayazma (aka Soğuksu) in western Türkiye, a town of about 500 Bosnian speakers!
0:00 The Treacherous Journey to Ayazma
7:00 Ayazma’s Café
16:15 I Made a Friend (Azmo)
23:30 The Final Boss
29:46 The Road to Bulgaria🇧🇬
During the 19th and 20th centuries, countless Muslims left the Balkans as the Ottoman Empire collapsed and other, more hostile, regimes took over. Some of those people settled the little town of Ayazma, around the year 1893. I wanted to get a better idea of how the Bosnians of Turkiye lived, what language(s) they speak, and most importantly, make some friends along the way. Come along!
As many as 2,000,000 people living in Turkey today have Bosnian (or Bosniak, since many people came from the Sandžak) and today many Bosnians in Turkey still speak the language, including in this town.
Bosnians in Turkey
Turkish Bosnians
Bosniaks in Turkey
Bosnians in Türkiye
Bosniaks in Türkiye
Bosnian village in Turkey
Bosansko selo u Turskoj
Bosanci u Turskoj
Bošnjaci u Turskoj
#türkiye #bosnia #balkan
I speak Serbian language, my best friend speaks Bosnian, and my wife speaks Croatian. My mom speaks Montenigrian. We all understand each other perfectly well. However, all my friends from Australia, USA and UK speak English and don't always understand each other perfectly well. Interesting world.
Of course you speak serbian, you're the prince of serbia
@@BenTheRules 😂 You really nailed it!
to ti je sve srpski
😂😂😂 it's all the same language 😂😂😂 . Because of nazziiii USA that split it all up
@@jimmyk1998 Name one book that was published in Serbia in the "Serbian language" before the 19th century.
They still feel connection to their motherland 😢 and they kept their language clean.
Very interesting. They took the Muslim religion while being in the Balkans, then they went to Turkey but they're still somewhat keeping their Balkan roots.
Грешка друже то су потурчени Срби ,у Турској имаш око осам милиона потурчени Срба
@justseven3487 Well, it's slightly more complicated than that. Bosnia spent 5 centuries under Ottoman rule and with the downfall of the empire and the retreat of Turks, some Muslims followed and migrated to Turkey and Austria was granted then good part of balkans, becouse they fell behind on all the imperialistic chase of the time and had no colonies on other continents, so a concession in their favor was made by other european powers of the time. I'm not deep into history of the time, but bosnian highschool text books never mention any persecutions of muslims, rather state that some weren't comfortable with change of power and feared potential persecutions or they already had family members in Turkey and they joined them. Austria had a strong state and laws and treated their citizens equally, so even Muslims that stayed prospered under their rule. My sister in law is Bulgarian and I have friends from Romania and what always amazes me is that they never call Muslims living in their country Muslims, but use term Turks instead, but I came to know that they are actually of turkish descent, even speak the language 😂. Bosnian Muslims are mostly local converts of 6 centuries ago and even before then Bosnia was a multireligiouse society (Catholics, Orthodox and Bogumil) and at some point Bogumil just got extinct (only a few hundred of engraved stones they left us with) and historians hypothese that they most probably converted to Islam in mass and Bosnia is the only country on the balkan that accounts for over 50% of Muslim population.
You're actually speaking Bosnian very well and have a good vocabulary
No it’s hercegovian language 😂😂😂
@@nemanacemu2024 ma nas jezik, Srpsko Hrvatski
постоји регионално наречје али не и босански језик
Као што у аустрији причају немачки а не аустријски
Ово није срање, ово је истина.
Прво одвојите један народ, промените веру а касније и националност и ето ти нове нације
Ужас да буде већи посвађати та два народа и да воде ратове
И ти сад реци да има босански
Постојала је држава Босна где су били српски цареви и то је историја
То што се данас мења само изазива мржњу и рат… јер правите неку нову истину на уштрб корена
Taj jezik koji ti spominjes nije se govorio u Bosni prije 130 godina i vise , taj jezik je nastao za vreme Jugoslavije nepismen si a komentrises ! PROUCI HISTORIJU I ONDA DODI VREDATI NA NACIONALNOJ OSNOVI PAK JEDAN
@@deejagers716
@@nemanacemu2024 Bosanskohercegovački!
Moj deda je upoznao Bošnjake iz Turske, tokom rada u Iraku, 1984-5. godine. Mnogi su radili teške poslove i bili dobri i vredni ljudi. Jako su voleli našu muziku, pa im je deda kupovao kasete u Jugoslaviji se i donosilo. Žalili su se tada da su kao doseljenici bili loše tretirani u Turskoj. Mnogi od njih su živeli u siromašnim četvrtima gradova. Danas su potpuno asimilovani i imena su im primenjena. U Turskoj nema manjina. Svi moraju biti Turci. Svi mi smo isti narod, koji je podeljen zbog interesa velikih sila i religija. Kada slušam ove stare, kao svoju babu i dedu da vidim. Tuga je velika šta je urađeno i koliko smo se međusobno ubijali!
Bravo!
A neces da kazes kako si uh srbi crnohorcini hrvati protjerivali sa sve tri strane uz pomoc velikih sila da rasele sto vise Bosnjaka? To kako su tretirani je laz vec Turska je bila na koljenima i veliko siromastvo. A nisu klali Bosnjake kao tvoji cetnici u prvom drugom svijetskom ratu
@@sandzakliana2838 Samo Bošnjaci su žrtve, a svi drugi su dželati. To jeste sarajevska priča, iako znate da je laž. Vekovi ropstva su učinili svoje i mržnja prema Osmanlijama se obila o glavu muslimanskom stanovništvu. Nikada nismo bili na istoj strani. Tako je i sada
@@necasto o cemu ti pricas vama je bio Bajazit zet ne nama vi ste zetovali dok je Husein Kapetan zaratio i sa Sultanom. A to za Sarajevski pricu srami se kukate za 3 mjeseca bombarodvanja evo citav svijet vas cuje dok ste gruhali po Sarajevu 4,5 god. Za Razliku od vas Bosnjaci nisu isli da 'brane' svoj narod oko BG i ZG i drzali gradove pod opsadom jezik za zube kada srama nemas
@@sandzakliana2838 Husein Gradaščević se digao da brani prava muslimanskih aga i begova, kojima je Porta smanjila privilegije! Nije to bio nikakav otpor protiv Osmanskog carstva, već protiv reformi! Vaša istina vas je i dovela do toga da ste stali u četiri čaršije. Mi smo svoju državu izborili, a kako, znamo samo mi! Meni je lično žao situacije u kojoj se nalaze Bošnjaci u BiH. Bez ozbiljne perspektive, sa uništenom industrijom, sa dva naroda koji neće da žive sa njima u istoj zemlji, sa strancima koji vas koriste, pa vas puste, sa ogromnim iseljavanjem, nema ni djece kao nekada...
You are a Bosnian in the heart.
And Bosniaks in Turkiye are very polite.
Hvala lijepo Benjamin. I have visited Bosnia long ago, and I live now in Ankara. Based on your invaluable information, I will visit this interesting village. Cheers buddy.
Svaka čast što si naučio naš jezik😊
Lijep pozdrav
You are like a bosnian hunter. If you want to find bosnians just go to any coffee shop. They will be the ones drinking their 10th coffee and have been sitting there for 8hrs
Yes this guy is the Bosnian hunter
Bosna❤❤❤🇧🇦🇧🇦
Great stuff brother!! Hvala!
You speak very good Bosnian! :-) . keep going! :) Bosnians love You :)
Bosnian is not a language
@@gideonros2705De mi onda prevedi ovo, ako nema bosanskog jezika.
- Haman da si mi hafifan nešto danas?
- Jami to
-Nemerem se okaharlit, mori me ljutina
-Jes vidio šošona havera, ša mi reče ba?
-Deder nemoj se zahmetit
-Plaho si mi uhunjerit, Boga mi jesi
I jos mnogo mnogo toga😁
Brate i‘m Bosnien 🇧🇦 But i live in Germany . Great Video !!!! Perfekt 👌 please More Videos
Amazing video, I enjoyed a lot.
Selam Benjamine hvala za ovaj video !
Very interesting, first time see your vlog, and I m happy that I discover it,
Wow what an interesting place!! Amazing bro. And looking forward hopefully to a Bulgaria overnight train video... We did the trip in September and was amazing!!
Odlican video i dajem punu podrsku.
One of the best videos I saw in the last couple of years.And by the way Your knowledge of Bosnian language is very well.
Thanks for another nice video
Love your video.. littlebit of history in it too
Your Bosnian is really good with a wide vocabulary and even pretty much accent-free. :) Loved your video!!
gotta love your videos keep this up
very cool video. I love these DIY ethnographic travel vlogs
Great video 👍
Really enjoy these video's, it's super interesting aswell, a whole village of people who have preserved the Bosnian language in Turkey. There is not alot of content about the Balkans so i'm sure it's safe to say we are all thankfull to you for making these video's, you look like you're from the Balkans btw haha. Keep making these, great job bro 💯💯
Thank you for this video...
Man your channel is so underrated. High quality content right there!
Thanks, I appreciate it!
Awesome video Ben! Thank you! I am Bosniak who loves traveling. I've been to many countries and Iived in 🇸🇬 and 🇲🇾 currently living in 🇸🇪. Bosnian language, tradition and cultural heritage I carry in my ❤️ always. On one occassion 2008 I visited one Bosnian village near Yalova in Turkey. It was amazing. It felt lke you are somewhere in 🇧🇦.
I am traveling to Antalya 🇹🇷 next weekend but surely will return and visit this beautiful Bosnian place in 🇹🇷 one day.
Charisma - level 100.
I love you, dude.
🙏🏼
Hahaha appreciate it, thanks!
This is so cool and educational. The story about these Bosniaks was never told before in the former Yugoslavia, or not that much. So interesting to see an American doing this. Thank you Ben!
Great video man. Greetings from Seattle Washington.
How’s the Bosnian population there?
@@Munards About 7 to 10k.
Like your videos very much Ben keep doing great work
Amazing video.
Zanimljive reportaze pravi samo napred
Hoću!
Now this is a video I’m excited about!!!! Svaka čast brate
Hvala, enjoy :)
@@alenhuseinbasic899 if you are from Mostar then what is the Point visiting turkiye when you dont have any ancestors from turkiye
@@bidigibih8679 Why not? I'm a Muslim, I love Ottomans and Ottoman history, Turkiye is a muslim country and I've been many times, they are very fond of us Bosnians. And I do have ancestors from Turkey in the caucaus's, my DNA test showed it
@@petarigic5246 naravno da ovo mislite "Petarigić". ja sam ponosni musliman elhamdulillah
I enjoy watching your videos. It's very interesting to see different regions of Balkan I would never get a chance to visit.
One suggestion: you can start a video with a compilation of highlights of the video like @PeterSantenello does. It could improve the engagement rate.
Keep up the good work!
Bas je fin kao osoba!
Wow, amazing channel and content, keep it up !! :D
There's also a village called Bosna (In Greek its also called Βοσνοχώρι / Bosnia village) near border with Greece
Ben the Bosnian explorer/hunter… keep up the good work… would not be surprised if you went and explored the Bosnians that live in Central Africa (Southern Egypt and Northern Sudan).
lol didn't know about the Central African Bosnians, that was a fun internet rabbit hole
@@BenTheRules Its when Ottoman Empire had occupied that area. To defend the newly acquired territory the Bosnian soldiers were left there to defend it. The soldiers of Bosnia at that time and their descendants married the tribeswomen of Gharbye and Djowabere tribes.
or maybe on South Pole,hehehe
@@deejagers716lol
There is also in Palestine alot of Bosniaks, they can be recognized by their last name Bosnaq@@BenTheRules
You are legend brother much som from Bosniaks
Thank you Benjamin for this video. We love to see our Bosnian people ❤️ 😊
I'm a bosnjak from Austria. Austria has a bloody history but here they don't teach that to the children.
Ben, you are the man. Wondeful vlog. Please give us more precise location od this Ayazna village, Google pretty much gives nothing . Živio brate !
There you have it
maps.app.goo.gl/yUp5MJjp2um3foaW7
Hi Ben. Nice, exotic video u made here. Nicely done. I dont know if u know but, I heard that there is a also place in Sudan or South Egypt where is Bosniaks village.
Some Bosnian garnizon went to defend south Ottoman borders and never went back.
Would be nice if you would explore it.
Pozdrav druže
Bosniaks in Nubia where is river Nile on south Egypt and north Sudan
HVALA i SRETNO BRATE 🙋🏼
very nice video pozz from serbia
Sretno biloooo
Great video. As for Serbian colonies in eastern Ukraine and Hungary, there are so much Bosnian influence on Ottoman Empire (ca fifty Great Vezirs), and many bosnian muslims (then called muslims) came during second half of 19century and before ww1. And actually there are some 60 000 with serbian ancestry in Turkey.
Najbolji Amerikanac na Balkan uživaj Brate
Hvala ti
@@BenTheRulesI really appreciate, your effort to go to the village of the Bosnian people! The position of village is similar to the villages of Herzegovina. Thank you once again.
@@xocats8476 those are not bosniaks they are assimilated we dont claim them as our People anymore
@@bidigibih8679 What is wrong with you bro why you spreading such comments. You are pressed about stuff for no reason. Bosnian is Bosnian, doesn't matter where he migrated and how many generations ago. Muslim is muslim.
@@alenhuseinbasic899 i dont care if any bosniaks have planned or already Long time ago went to turkey i consider them as traitor of bosnia
Benjo legendoo, hajde bujrum dodji u Tesanj sljedece!
Pravi si Bosanac. You Good People bruh keep up the good work very impressive.
As a Serb i learned something today ❤ thank you brate
15:22 "soğuksu" is the Turkish version, Ayazma comes from Greek: Hagiasma(holy water).
Dobar video hvala na trudu dobro pričaš Bosanski jezik
I live in the US but come to Sarajevo Bosnia every summer if you are in the city this summer would love to meet up
Dude, thank you for this. As a Bosniak, i don't even know that it exists in Turkish Bosniaks village. Thank you and greetings to lovely America ❤
Those are not bosniaks anymore they are turkfied we dont claim them
@@bidigibih8679your out here commenting on every post about this. Your doing more hate than anyone if anything. Their blood is still us. Just like Bosnian that moved to Germany America etc. We need allies not foes my friend especially in today’s world.
@@Munards our country doesnt have any ally our country is ruined by serbs and americans back in 90s, but especially for turks too they occupied us for 500 years, in 90s we asked them to help our country and they refused than later they started to do economic business with serbs but not with us and last thing they dont recognize genocide in srebrenica and thats the reason why i dont like turks.
@@Munardshe’s 100% Serbian and larping as bosnian
Interesting video, some of those you interviewed are from Sandzak (a region where Bosniaks live and is located between Serbia and Montenegro). From the beginning of the 19th century until the end of the 20th century, several migrations took place towards Turkey from the direction of the Balkans. Depending on which village you come across, their ability to speak Bosnian also depends. In Istanbul, in the Bosniak majority districts of Pendik and Bayrampaşa/Yıldırım, you can find many Bosniaks who migrated during Yugoslavia (1950s and 1960s) and whose mother tongue is Bosnian. You can hear a lot more from them because they speak the language fluently, unlike those who came in the 19th century. In addition to Istanbul, there are many villages in the Marmara region as well as in the big cities such as Izmir, Sakarya, Edirne where you have many Bosniaks.
Raška*
@@jovicajokanovic6290 Raška is a small town outside of Sandžak 😊
And Bursa
If you have more time in Turkey next time visit the district of Karamürsel (province of Kocaeli), a lot of Bosnians there, specially in the villages. About 2 hrs from Istanbul, depending on the route you take.
Benjamine odlicno parlas Bosanski Bravo zato si zasluzio Subscribe
That part during final boss fight when you said that your friends didn't know was actually in turkish language. That's why they don't know. Also when he mentioned place in Herzegovina and you translated as Gradska, that was wrong. He mentioned Gacko. Small place in Bosnia and Herzegovina
Of course there were Bosnians/Serbs who moved to Istanbul or Anatolia for various reasons during Ottoman times but the first wave of migration from Bosnia to Turkey took place after the annexation of Bosnia & Herzegovina by the Austria Hungarian Empire towards the end of 19th century. My father side also came in that wave from Mostar and settled in a Bosnian village near Izmir. They must have feared a war or a lot of violence would happen, otherwise they would not leave their ancestors lands.
You can find large Bosnian populations in in towns like Istanbul, Sakarya, Izmir, Bursa Canakkale etc, basically European part of Turkey and Western/North Western Turkey. It is estimated that at least 1 million people in Turkey have Bosnian origin.
Your soul is bosnian. Very nice guy
Do a story on a ottaman outpost
(I think it is)..
In plaski (lika) croatia. ..
I think there 1 near ogulin ,not sure there
Its high in mountains above plaski town..
Overgrown. But still visible..
Vrlo zanimljivo, nisam znao da ima Bosanskih sela u Turskoj
Čuj to! 12 miliona stanovnika Turske je bošnjačkog porijekla.
Naravno da ima, imaš negdje oko 2 miliona Bosanaca koji vuku porijeklo iz Bosne samo što ti je sad to većinski izmiješano
kod nas u našem semtu u Bayrampasi zivi oko 200.000 Bošnaka.
Pekçok melez var ve çok güzeller. Pekçok oyuncu karışım. Voleybol, basketbol takımında varlar. Türkiye'nin en güzel kızı bir Boşnak .th-cam.com/users/shortsW76cvD8F_Lk?si=ejjXMo2yddEkph2t Zehra, Eda erdem, Cansu özbay, Meliha takımda önemli. Olimpiyat madalyası bekliyoruz. th-cam.com/video/UsYMKzTpVZw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=PzS_PEufjqXicEZe
@@Win-vw1du A otkada su u Turskoj?
❤ Salamu alaykum from Germany
23:37 This man is from Bosnia, speaks perfectly 👌 Gastarbajter verovatno 😺
Hallo bosnian brother. At 25:50 the guy mention that his ancestors are from Hercegovina...not Gradska ( as you translated). It is small town named Gacko. Thank you for this video and you speak bosnian very well
Mozda je Gradiska
Hi ,manly people for peripheral arias of B&H migrate to Turkey due to AustroHungarian advances first group were Krajišnici second one is Hercegovci! That guy mention clearly his grand father came from Gradska Hercegovina. Well there is village in Ljubuski municipality with name Gradska that’s only village in municipality that has Muslim habitants the rest of municipality is Catholic Croats . I hope this can be helpful to you for further conclusion . Best regards.
This video proves: You can take the Bosnian out of Bosnia but not Bosnia out of the Bosnian. ❤
hi man u met my friend in kosovo peja where u pet the dogs and stayed there saying i dont have a car haha, but have fun just remembering!
Hi, when you go back to 🇧🇦 visit Mostar, Blagaj (Tekija) you will not regret it.
Very interesting story mate. I m half Serbian Herzegovinian and half Maltese. Somehow I was imagining what will happen to my family tree since I m born & bred in Malta 🇲🇹 and have preserved our Serbian culture within our family. I know the language, traditions etc. Would be amazed if after 100 years my ancestors would be able to continue speaking Serbian, know when our SLAVA is, where my father and grand fathers etc are from in Herzegovina etc ... People should always be proud of their own heritage. I regularely visit the Balkans got family in Herzegovina & Serbia hence why I speak good Serbian and love visiting my roots and family over there. Cant deny I feel Balkan and have the mentality too and when I m there I feel home too. Herzegovina (Mostar) where we re from & Malta have similar climates too. Also I look Balkan physically haha and I love it when I m in Malta and since there are lots of Balkan people working here we sort of recognize each other from our faces etc ...Keep doing these videos man! Pozdrav sa Malte!
Pozdrav!
Ima nas mnogo na Malti. Pozdrav.
Pozdrav za Bosnu i hercegovinu,👏👍👍😊
Up until Congress of Berlin in 1878 or administratively until 1908-9, Bosniaks from Sanjak of Novi Pazar (today: Sandzak) were also Bosnians, when it was seperated from Bosnian Vilayet and given to newly formed Kosovo Vilayet.
Worth mentioning is that western parts of today's Sandzak, were part of Bosnian Kingdom up until the city of Sjenica, before it ever became it's own Sanjak, belonging to Bosnian Eyalet.
Evo par činjenica za bolje razumijevanje razvoja Teritorije DANAŠNJE Republike Bosne i Hercegovine:
Mislim da povelje Bana Mateja Ninoslava (pisane od 1232 do 1234 Dubrovniku) dovoljno govore o tome kako su tačno smatrani stanovnici tadašnje bosne (Vrhbosne oko današnjeg Sarajeva) još u 13 vijeku. Čak se i to u posljednih 20 godina od strane Bosanaca-Muslimana odnosno Bošnjaka pokušava na sve moguće načine osporavati pa se pokušava na raznorazne načine nanovo protumačiti.
Ali hajmo ovako: Originalna Bosna na koju se pozivaju Bosanci-Muslimani / Muhamedanci / Bošnjaci je okolina današnjeg Sarajeva gdje su i bili ti takozvani “dobri Bošnjani” Kulina Bana (svakako je glupo o tome raspravljati ali hajde neka bude za primjerak). Oblasti Hercegovine, Usore, Soli, istočne BiH itd. su svakako bile u potpunom sastavu Raške države (tj. Srbije Vlastimirovića, Vojisavljevića-Vukanovića i Nemanjića) od njenog prvog pominjana tačno 822. godine u franačkim analima (napisanih od Einhard-a) pa sve do 1135-te godine dok se ne gubi kod Mađara tj. u njihovoj Kraljevini. Te Zemlje su po zapisima većinski naseljavali Srbi sto je apsolutno nesporno. Kao što rekoh: Povelja Ninoslava apsolutno sve govori kao i kraljevski potpis Kralja Tvrtka. Bio je izricito kralj Srbalja a ne i Bošnjana ili bilo čega drugog. Činjenica je da je u politici i državu uopšteno naslijedio svijesno Nemanjiće i gotovo sve njihove postupke i način vladanja preuzeo jer je se smatrao sljedbenikom te drzave. Car Dušan je, kada je krunisan za Cara, zauzevši teritoriju od Dunava do Svijete Gore u Grčkoj, dodao svojoj tituli pored Cara Srba, i Car Grka i Arbanasa. Dakle bio je svijestan toga da su se u njegovom Carstvu nalazili narodi pored Srba kao Što glasi titula “Car Srba, Grka i Arbanasa i Pomorja i Epira i Tesalije i zapadnih strana” i svašta još nešto.
Kada sagledamo sada tu situaciju: Kralj Tvrtko kao sljedbenik (bukvalno srpskih careva) se kruniše kao kralj SRBA i to je to. Mislim da je sasvim nesumnjivo pod kojim imenom je tada bio poznat narod u Bosni.
Što se tiče kraljevske titulacije Kotromanića, ona je jako bitna. Ime države nije uvijek jednako sa Narodom koji u njoj živi. Najbolji dokaz je Tvrtko Kotromanić i svi njegovi Nasljenici do Kralja Stjepana Tomaševića.
Istoriografija bosanska ili “bošnjacka” pa se prvenstveno bavi demantovanjem srpske istoriografije i novo-tumačenjem starih zapisa ili dokumenata. Primjer: Nada Klaić koja za Ajnhardove Anale govori o kojekakvom mjestu “Srb” i da se ne radi o Srbima koje spominje Ajnhard nego o mjestu Srb u kojem zive Bošnjani i Hrvati. Bosanskoj istoriografiji, otkad postoji (30 godina), je najveći cilj da pokuša da demantuje postojanje Srba i Hrvata unutar granica današnje Bosne i Hercegovine.
Današnja istocna i zapadna Hercegovina i Podrinje je bilo vijekovima potpuno sastavni dio srpske države ili bolje reci “Srbskoj Zeml” sto bi rekli Nemanjići, Hrebeljanovici, Mrnjavcevici, Kotromanići…i tako dalje i to je apsolutno NESUMNJIVA istorijska činjenica. Već ovdje ta priča pada u vodu da Srbi nikakve veze nemaju sa bosnom, imaju i to kako. Činjenice su navedene gore.
I da dodam jos nesto: što je za bošnjačku istoriografiju vjerovatno jako razočaravajuće jeste da činjenica, da čak i zapadna istoriografija ne piše ništa drugačije od onoga sto piše srpska. Kako je rekao njemački istoricar gospodin Eduard Mühle u svojoj knjizi “slawen” (slaveni): “Srednjovijekovna srpska državnost Kraljevinom Bosnom od 1377-te dozivljava još jedan kratak uspon u svojoj istoriji dok 1463-te konačno pada pod osmansku vlast”. Da ponovim: NJEMAČKI istoricar.
Uopšte sam se posljednih 20 godina, kroz privilegiju koju imam živjeti na Zapadu, bavio raznoraznim izvorima i radovima o istoriji jugoistočne evrope, naročito prostora bivše jugoslavije. Jako je interesantno to što se istoriografija Zapada poklapa jednako sa većinom srpskih istoričara, vjerovatno najjačeg ikada gospodina Vladimira Ćorovića, rođenog Mostarca. Zato se ne može reći da je ovo sve "propaganda srpska". Plus što ja i moji lično i nismo iz Srbije nego iz Hercegovine porijeklom. U stanju smo ispratiti naše pretke do 1650-tih godina, Trebinje. Srpsko-pravoslavna porodica Miletić, naselili s kraja 18 vijeka današnju bosansku Krajinu, sklonivši se od Turaka iz Hercegovine. Cijelo Selo došlo iz okoline Trebinja, i dan danas slavimo Đurđevdan. Bili smo prisiljeni da pobijegnemo od Turaka zarad sukoba i ubistva tadašnjeg lokalnog Paše kod Trebinja. Todorovići, Kusići, Čerekovići, Miletići, Tubaci....pravoslvni Srbi iz istočne Hercegovine.
Sjetih se još jednog članka sa jednog foruma “historije bosne i bošnjaka: “Slavenska plemena koja su naselila bosnu prozvaše se Bošnjani”. Ovdje se indirektno potvrđuje da je djelimično porijeklo “Bošnjana” srednjeg vijeka srpsko-hrvatsko. Zapravo svi izvori tog doba, kada je bila ogromna najezda slavenskih plemena sa sjevera na jug, prije svega vizantijski i franački izvori 9. I 10 vijeka, ne navode nikakve Bošnjane ili neki sličan termin. Prostor od Istre do skadarskog jezera (uključujući zagorje tih zemalja) su naselili pored Srba i Hrvata i mnogobrojna druga Slavenska plemena koja su nestala i pretopila se u Srbe i Hrvate. Dalmacija, Slavonija, Zahumlje, Paganija, Travunija, Duklja, Bosna, Raška: To su oblasti koje se javljaju u doba od 9. do 11. vijeka i tim oblastima vladaju Srbi i Hrvati. Među zapisima Naroda koji su migrirali nema Bosanskog / Bošnjakog etnosa, nema Kulinovih Bošnjana. Oblast Bosne je dobila ime po rijeci Bosni a ne po Narodu koji je nju naselio. I moram te upozoriti: Moraš razlikovati o kojoj teritoriji tacno pricaš. Ja govorim o nekadašnjij teritoriji DANAŠNJE republike BiH. Naprimjer slavensko pleme Sorba kod Dresdena u njemačkoj tu živi najmanje 1400 godina i do dan danas su ostali Sorbi i ako su faktički u “tuđoj” državi što naročito za Srbe i Hrvate ne možemo reći. Bosna i Hercegovina je s punim pravom srpska i hrvatska isto onoliko koliko je danas bošnjačka. Hercegovina je čisto srpska teritorija i kao takva je već cijeli Milenijum i ako se više ne nalazi u Srbiji. Opet primjer: Eparhija humska.
Ali dobro, dovoljno smo polemisali oko teritorije današnje republike BiH. Apsolutno je nelogično pokušavati na bilo koji način demantovati pomenute činjenice koje su dovoljno dokumentirane.
Nego, reci: Šta kažeš za Srbe islamske vjeroispovijesti poput Saliha Selimovića, Mesu Selimovića, Osmana Đikića, Omer Paše Latasa…?
Veziri: Mehmed Paša Sokolović, srpskog porijekla pravoslavne porodice iz visegrada pod čiju inicijativu je obnovljena srpska patrijaršija. Rustem Paša, hrvatski vezir?
Da li znaš da većina današnjih muslimana u BiH vodi porijeklo iz hercegovine i srbije, nekadašnjih srpsko-pravoslavnih porodica? Danas postoje muslimani čak sa prezimenom Vuković (kao primjer), Vukovicć kao prezime koje vodi porijeklo od srpkih plemena iz stare Crne Gore. Možda su Bošnjani čak i postojali nekad kao kasniji ogranak srpsko-hrvatski, ko zna. Ali to današnji muslimani definitivno nisu. Porijeklo je jako lako ispratiti.
@@JohnnyWalker1077 Ötzi the Iceman is also a Serb 👍
@@JohnnyWalker1077 Čim sam pročitao srpsku laž i glupost kako je navodno vezir Mehmed Paša Sokolović "iz srpske porodice" (a otac mu se zvao Džemaludin Sinan-Beg lol) obnovio Srpsku patrijaršiju i to lupetanje za "srbe islamske vjeroispovjesti" shvatio sam koja je dijagnoza u pitanju :D Mehmed je postao vezir tek nakon što je patrijaršija obnovljena, tako da je to laž i obična srpska izmišljotina, a Islamski srbi i "muhamedanci" kako vi pogrdno zovete muslimane, ne postoje, svi koje si nabrojao nisu religiozni. Srbin je uvijek bio samo onaj ko je srpske vjere, prestanite više lagati sebe.
To ti je jedini odgovor na ovo sve?@@kolobara08
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I could've saved you the hours-long trip.. Pretty sure there continues to be a relatively large Bosniak population in Pendik, which isn't very far outside of Istanbul. But I suppose you were totally down for a little bit of a goose chase from the start -- that's half the fun of traveling. But yeah, i'm pretty sure there are a bunch of Bosniaks (Sandzaklije, more specifically) in Pendik to this very day, owing to multiple waves of immigration dating back to at least the late-19th century.
Yep, but to be frank Sandžaklijas are ethnic Albanians and don't really have a connection to Bosnia, therefore not "Bosanci"
@@uzeirdautbegovic1148 the ethnic composition of a place like Novi Pazar is complex and layered, and features the same sort of mixing and blending of populations (both at the genetic, haplogroup level as well as the macro, cultural, group level) that one would expect to find anywhere else in the world. I know plenty of folk from that area who have a traceable ancestral link back to various parts of Bosnia and Herzegovina, as well as people who have very typical Slavic surnames indicating either Catholic or Orthodox origins but whose ancestors converted to Islam generations ago. It's not a cut and dry "Sandzaklije are Albanians" story... Those sorts of nationalist narratives are unfortunately all too familiar in that part of the world.
@@WordToMomsYo Most of people that settled in Novi Pazar hail from tribes like Kuči or Vasojevići, those are Montenegrin Albanian tribes, very few come from Bosnia, I know it is more complex than that but generally they (Sandžaklijas) are mostly Albanians.
@@uzeirdautbegovic1148yes sandzaklijas are really tall albanians, wtf are u talking about
@@smrdljivivlah5879 Tall? Sandžaklijas are montenegrin Albanians, ask them of their origin and most of them know the tribe they came from, just like the rest of montenegro.
Whaaaat yo are not a Bosnian? I was sure you were Bosnian 😁 great Video 👍
Thought the same thing. But take a look at his video from Italy 😉
Pozdravi Semira Osmanagića i odjebite, obadvojica!
You can find Bosnians everywhere in the world, we are a suffering people for the last 150 years. You can visit Albania, there are Bosnian villages there too, they still managed to preserve the Bosnian language. Under the dictator you were only allowed to speak Albanian, could be hard punished if you speak another language
You are an islamized serbs
Los Bosanski pravo jarane i njihov i tvoj ....svaka cast za video
According to the Bosniak entry in the Oxford English Dictionary, the first preserved use of "Bosniak" in English was by English diplomat and historian Paul Rycaut in 1680 as Bosnack, cognate with post-classical Latin Bosniacus (1682 or earlier), French Bosniaque (1695 or earlier) or German Bosniak (1737 or earlier).[15] The modern spelling is contained in the 1836 Penny Cyclopaedia V. 231/1: "The inhabitants of Bosnia are composed of Bosniaks, a race of Sclavonian origin".[16] In the Slavic languages, -ak is a common suffix appended to words to create a masculine noun, for instance also found in the ethnonym of Poles (Polak) and Slovaks (Slovák).
Coca is older than serbized orthodox bosniak, by teofil petranovic since 19th
The Bosniaks were originally Croats that escaped from Bosnia to get away from the Ottoman Turks and who settled in Hungary in the 16th century. Those Croats are still called Bosniaks in Hungary today (Hungarian: Bosnyákok).
25:48 He said iz Gacko. It's in eastern hercegovina near Montenegro. It's where my family roots and dedo is originally from. I know all the surnames from Gacko, Should have asked for his name. In gacko serbs and bosniaks always fighting eachother, all the way to WW1 and before.
ne samo u prvom svjetskom ratu i u drugom svjetskom ratu,ima poznata prica na kraju drugog svjetskkog rata cetnici opkolili Fazlagicu kulu i nisu je mogli osvojit i onda cetnici dozivali Bosnjake i govorili im da je rat zavrsio da izadju iz kule a Bosnjaci im odgovorili mozda je za vas zavrsio 2 svjetskl rat ali za nas nije dok god ima cetnika😀
@66zaim 😂😂😂😂 ima ih još uvijek.
One part of my family decided to leave for Turkey in the face of the Austro-Hungarian mandate in Bosnia, the other part stayed. As an Avdić whose grandparents stayed in Bosnia, it kind of feel proud that the first man who sat down to speak to you, is one of my distant cousins. Great video, man!
I haven't got the will to go through all the comments now, so I don't know if anyone already referred to the penultimate part when you speak to the elderly bosian man. He starts speaking bosnian and just continues with turkish in the middle of the sentence. So, nobody can understand that unless speaking turkish too.
Can you please name it the village that you visited and the caffee bar, because I wish to visit the place. I am bosnian and I have studied turkish for 5 years, and I would go and take some notes about history and migrations of people from Balkan❤
I think it was "Ayazma Köyü Kahvesi" if you put that on google maps you'll see it
@@BenTheRules 🧡🧡👍
It is also called Soğuksu = Cold Water.
maps.app.goo.gl/yUp5MJjp2um3foaW7
Jeste, bezao narod od Turaka na sve strane, Srbi su dosli i do iznad Budimpeste. Ovi nisu bezali ni od koga nego su isli tamo gde im je bilo bolje u to vreme, u maticu Tursku.
Hi Ben. The name of the town at 25:46 is Gacko.
Ma bravoooo momak!!
Super ❤
Bosanaca I ljudi iz Bosne imaš bona svugdje u Svjetu
24:35 Brother i asked my turkish friend, he told me that he only repeated what he told you in bosnian. That they (his grandparents) came 130-140 Years ago from Herzegovina.
One Day i will visit the village too 😂😊
11:30 He said that is from city of Bileca
24:45 he says our grandfathers came in 1890, that it has been 140 years, and that they came from Herzegovina.
The man says he is originally from Gacko, a town in northeastern Herzegovina region.
*Selam dobro došo u Bosnu*
The old guy: who do you looking for? :)
Half of my mothers family emigrated to Turkey around 140 years ago, after Austro-Hungarian empire took over Bosnia. They were afraid that Austria would force them to convert to Christianity, kill them and strip their wealth and land. Of course, non of this happened to the Bosniaks that stayed in Bosnia. On the contrary, once thing settled down, Austrian Empire treated our people with dignity and respect. Bosnia has seen some major economic and lifestyle development during their reign... I think that those that emigrated for Turkey, left out of fear and uncertany. I thoroughly enjoyed this video. Veliki pozdrav Benjamine
Veliki Respektod od Bosanke iz dijaspore
Nice story. I know that Turkoglu and Turkčan are Bosnian from Turkey.
Go to the town of Bosilegrad or to the town of Dimitrovgrad, in eastern serbia and you will discover the ethnic bulgarians living there.
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AustroHungary occupied Bosnia&Herzegovina 1878 and that is reason why many Muslims left for Turkey .They didn’t won’t to live under Catholic regime .
About 120,000 Turks and other muslims (local converts) left Bosnia at that time.